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ACLU Tries to Spoil Dumb Fad Of Sex-Segregated Schools, For the Kids

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But What About teh Boyz?Well, darn those radical feminists at the ACLU, they are interfering with what appears to be the educational fad du jour, sex-segregated classes. While we remember some of the “Oh Noes, Feminism is a War Against Boys” nonsense from a decade ago, and there’s no end of whining about the alleged excesses of feminism, we somehow weren’t really aware that some public schools are actually having segregated classes for boys and girls. (We thought it was limited to that one afternoon in fifth grade when the girls watched a movie and the boys went to the playground. Jesus we’re old.) So anyway, the ACLU has filed a complaint asking the U.S. Department of Education to investigate two schools in Alabama and Idaho. And all because the ACLU is a bunch of whiners who think that programs some people really like should be ended merely because they’re just a little “discriminatory and maybe illegal” and “based on pseudoscience.” Talk about picky!

Just look at the crazy rationale for the complaint:

“We understand that teachers and parents want to provide the best education for their children. But coeducation was never the problem with failing schools, and single-sex programs are not the answer,” said Christina Brandt-Young, attorney with the ACLU Women’s Rights Project. “These programs are poorly designed and based on pseudoscience and stereotypes that do nothing to enhance learning, and only reinforce discredited ideas about how boys and girls behave.”

How could anyone object to the sound scientific grounding of the program in Middleton, ID?

the single-sex program has been in place since 2006, and draws on stereotypes that men are active and independent while women are passive and dependent. The school plans the boys’ day to include exercise and movement, while the girls are provided with a “quieter environment.”

Boys are seated shoulder-to-shoulder while girls are seated face-to-face on the theory that girls are more cooperative while boys are more competitive and should not be forced to make eye contact. The program calls for “large amounts of explanation for assignments” for girls and “limited teacher explanation” for boys. Boys are permitted to play and exercise while girls must maintain a “quiet environment.” The school put out a call for “male role models” for the boys out of concern that too many female teachers contributed to a perceived difficulty in teaching boys. No such request was made for female role models.

Well, DUH, as we have already established, ever since Marlo Thomas made Free To Be…You and Me in 1971, schools have been nothing but a male-suppression industry! So obviously there are plenty of — maybe too many! — role models for girls. Who also, it should be noted, have their very own all-pink aisle in Toys R Us.

In the Alabama school,

students are separated by sex for all classes, even during lunch. Instructions for teaching boys call for stressing “heroic” behavior that shows what it means to “be a man.” The school relied on a book that teaches that boys are better than girls in math because their bodies receive daily surges of testosterone, while girls have similar skills only “a few days per month” when they experience “increased estrogen during the menstrual cycle.”

Well, for heaven’s sake, if that isn’t science, then what is, we ask you? It was in a book, what more do you ACLU radicals want? Next, you’ll be saying crazy stuff about women being able to do math or something!

This would never happen in a segregated class

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  • Lascauxcaveman

    I remember that day we boys all went to the playground while the girls watched their movie.

    Mostly we spent the time shooting baskets and talking about sex.

    • Redhead

      I remember the day we all (boys and girls) watched a brief movie and then had a much longer discussion about sex and how to not get pregnant. Was my school progressive??

    • http://simplyleftbehind.blogspot.com/ actor212

      I remember that day we all went to the playground and the boys stood in front of the swings because the girls were all wearing short skirts.

    • NellCote71

      I remember the day when the girls went to the auditorium and the guys went to the playground. I was all ready for this lecture about the yucky things girls do every month. I just couldn't wait to find out what the equivalent male bloody mess was. Boy, was I disappointed.

  • http://wonkette.com ManchuCandidate

    I went to a skule just like that. They called it sausage fest, er, engineering school

    • DahBoner

      Girls could be engineers. Most do not because of The Frequency.

      Brain Hertz.

  • SexySmurf

    boys are better than girls in math because their bodies receive daily surges of testosterone

    And here I was, thinking that I was weird for beating off to differential equations.

    • WhatTheHeck

      Actually, you were thinking too much of π (Pi) which then got you in the mood.

      oops, didn't see comments below.

    • http://loljazzcatz.blogspot.com/2012/06/introducing-bad-note-millstones-of-jazz.html Chet Kincaid_

      Wait, nocturnal emissions are math homework?! Ew.

    • CthuNHu

      I was going to comment and defend advocates of sex-segregated education as being honest enough to go against the politically correct grain and state the simple truth that boys and girls are not identical creatures who simply wear different apparel due to absurd cultural dictates, but can be quite sensibly, intelligently, and, yes, scientifically seen as belonging to distinct metaphorical, as well as belonging in distinct literal, classes; and that they behave and learn differently, and quite possibly better, when segregated than when together, and that truly open-minded liberals should not fear to consider such very real possibilities, and then I read the rest of the post and oh fuck.

  • BaldarTFlagass

    I bet those schools have one hell of a Home Economics department.

  • http://lostintarnation.blogspot.com/ SayItWithWookies

    The school plans the boys’ day to include exercise and movement, while the girls are provided with a “quieter environment.”

    What — no cheerleading?!

  • snowpointsecret

    The school relied on a book that teaches that boys are better than girls in math because their bodies receive daily surges of testosterone, while girls have similar skills only “a few days per month” when they experience “increased estrogen during the menstrual cycle.”

    Okay seriously, what the fuck? I don't feel like my ability to do math changes when I hit that time of the month. Actually, for the harder stuff, I feel more likely to throw something at a wall, so my productivity probably goes down.

    I really doubt either gender is better at that anyway, it's more on an individual person basis than anything else… Also if you're taught poorly that makes a difference, which I guess gives males an advantage in Alabama considering all this.

    • SexySmurf

      When I get my "daily surges of testosterone," I'm more interested in biology. Lady biology, to be specific.

      Titties, to be real specific.

    • billy_reuben

      It gives everybody not from Alabama an advantage, considering all of this.

  • Disassembly

    Stop looking at me, I'm trying to learn!

  • http://wonkette.com/ Sharkey

    Boys can't even count to pi.

    • http://simplyleftbehind.blogspot.com/ actor212

      Dumb math…you don't count to pie, you eat it!

      • memzilla

        Besides, everybody knows that cake are squared; pi are round.

        • http://simplyleftbehind.blogspot.com/ actor212

          Depends on the pi, if you know what I mean, and I think you do.

          • Toomush_Infer

            pi squared is still illegal in some states….

          • proudgrampa

            That's why we call it cobbler.

        • http://hong-kong-actresses.blogspot.com/ Chow Yun Flat

          Do you mean that pie are squared?

  • http://wonkette.com ChillBill

    "So anyway, the ACLU has filed a complaint asking the U.S. Department of Education to investigate two schools in Alabama and Idaho."

    So basically, Idaho and Alabama's entire Educational System.

    • MaxNeanderthal

      I think you'll find the syllabus consists of which sorts of rocks you bang together to get the red flower that eats wood….

    • Negropolis

      I feel bad for laughing at this, but I did. Still, two is one better than Mississippi's school.

  • kittensdontlie

    The boys need to kill any little furry critters out on the playground while the girls learn how to make taste-tempting sammiches. It's god's plan.

  • snowpointsecret

    if w=wingnut, and m=math, then w+m is the same as 1/0. It does not exist.

    • MaxNeanderthal

      That equation is possibly unique in the history of math, in that w/m (how much math goes into a wingnut) tends to zero, whilst it's reciprocal, m/w (how much wingnut goes into math) also tends to zero, rather than infinity.

  • coolhandnuke

    I pine for those hazy youthful days of yesteryear…the progressive coed locker rooms,…the girly-boys cowering in the shower corner while the manly-boys tied and secured a Tucker Carlson to the shower nozzle with his jockstrap while the girls cheered us on with "two, four, six, eight Tucker's full of shit and hate."

    • Pithaughn

      No coed locker rooms, but I did get to help put up some spirit posters on the exterior of the gym. We managed to time it so that we were looking into the girls shower while there were girls in there. I was shocked that they had pubes, none of my friends had pubes and yet there were all the girls with pubes!

  • BaldarTFlagass

    And during sixth period, both genders get together in the gym and the boys beat up all the girls.

  • http://simplyleftbehind.blogspot.com/ actor212

    The War On Women now has a monthly battle.

  • memzilla

    Of course, the real crime is not teaching boys about how the Second Amendment guarantees freedom of sexual expression, because what else is a gun but a symbol of?

    (and if that statement made no sense to you… good)

    • Secluded Compound
      • Doktor Zoom

        I'm getting a grant proposal together for a charter school right now!

  • gullywompr

    Uh huh, and their pregnancy rates are way down too, right?

  • http://simplyleftbehind.blogspot.com/ actor212

    the single-sex program has been in place since 2006, and draws on stereotypes that men are active and independent while women are passive and dependent.

    Yes, precisely. Women should be obscene and not heard. Amirite, guys?

    • HistoriCat

      If you're being obscene and you can't hear her, you might be doing it wrong.

      • NellCote71

        Something to do with whore moans?

      • Negropolis


  • Disassembly

    Next time my girlfriend gets grouchy I'm giving her a checkbook to balance.

  • http://www.fruitvalegazette.com editor

    well, that's it then. those 3 families in idaho that were not yet home-schooling their children will have to start doing so now. unless they want their sons to grow up to make eye contact (shudder!) and their daughters to go to college where they will probably do math, but inevitably star in the vagina monologues.

  • snowpointsecret

    Are they teaching the girls how not to be like Taylor Swift?

  • noodlesalad

    Fact – country bumpkins are the leading Shariah Law advocates in America.

  • widestanceromance

    Wait, why would boys even want to be in the Young Lady's Menstruating Hut?

  • Biff

    (We thought it was limited to that one afternoon in fifth grade when the girls watched a movie and the boys went to the playground. Jesus we’re old.)

    In MY day, we had "that" day in 7th grade, because puberty started later way back then. And us boys had to sit through a movie about VD, which was almost enough to make us swear off sex forever, or at least until we actually got to try sex, and decided it was worth whatever pain it wrought…

    • MaxNeanderthal

      Movie? Shit, we only got a slide show, without any real pictures of tits even, just crappy artwork- though at least we knew girls had pubic hair, unlike kids now who only see shaved large aquatic rodents on the internet..

      • Pithaughn

        Film strip, slides were to modern for us.

        • UW8316154

          Fancy. All we had were transparencies on the overhead projector.

    • finallyhappy

      Yeah, well, I went to a public all girls school in the 60s and we saw a movie about VD in 11th grade- I think it was about VD but as we never had any info on menstruation or sex before that, who knows.

      • Biff

        All in all, I preferred “Reefer Madness”…

    • Dashboard Buddha

      We had "that day" in the 6th grade…in Florida of all places. The take away that I remember is the the penis generates enough lubrication to slide it's way through all of Salomon's wives, and that when the man ejaculates, it fills the vagina like 40 weight being poured into a test tube.

      • Biff

        Nowadays, we have Astroglide.

        • Dashboard Buddha

          Is this some kind of genetic modification where the modern man's penis exudes (love that word) Astroglide just before penetration?

    • Negropolis

      We had That Day in Fourth or Fifth Grade and then later twice during high school, you know, just to make sure it stuck.

      • shelwood46

        We had that day in fifth grade. Boys and girls got separate movies. I have no idea what the boys saw. However, we girls got a gift bag! It was filled with Junior Kotex, but the boys were still jealous.

  • Blueb4sinrise

    The school put out a call for “male role models”

    Uh huh.

    • http://simplyleftbehind.blogspot.com/ actor212

      What? Just because Jerry Sandusky applied, there's no reason to suspect a thing.

  • BigSkullF*ckingDog

    This plan backfired by turning all the kids gay.

    The End.

    • http://loljazzcatz.blogspot.com/2012/06/introducing-bad-note-millstones-of-jazz.html Chet Kincaid_

      England Libel!!

  • Respitetini

    Having gone to a single-sex middle school, I'm confident in my belief that the single-sex education part of this is not the problem, either.

  • Schmannnity

    Next thing you know, the ACLU will be trying to mix the races.

    • memzilla

      And then we'll be hip-deep in bi-athletes.

  • malsperanza

    1946? Jesus, they were still using that fucking movie in 1968. I remember in particular being exhorted not to worry, because IT would not hurt that much; not to stay in bed crying all day when IT happened; and that contrary to what other people might say, it was perfectly safe to take a shower while IT was happening, as long as it wasn't too hot.

    We really should bring that movie back. It had science in it and everything. And segregated classrooms is good because best not to let the boys see it, in case, youknow, they discover our Female Sekrit — the one we all swear never to tell during that worldwide sekrit ritual we all have on our 14th birthday, when we swear fealty to — oops, nevermind.

  • snowpointsecret

    Around here they call all boys' schools excuses to recruit for football teams. Apparently it's done differently in Alabama.

    • PubOption

      In Alabama girls' schools, the Crimson Tide only happens periodically.

      • Negropolis


  • Fairtackle

    Do they teach the girls how to make sammiches?

    • Baconzgood

      Great minds.

  • sewollef

    Does Alabama still have schools?

    Judging by the legislature in that state, I'm going to guess no. No they don't.

  • Baconzgood

    I hope the classes are heavy in making me bacon sanwiches.

    • http://www.southsidejohnny.com/ Jukesgrrl

      New restaurant opening in Tucson. Their specialty is a bacon cheeseburger between two grilled cheese sandwiches.

      • Baconzgood

        if it wasn't in AZ id be there.

        • Callyson

          Tuscon is an oasis of sanity in Arizona, actually–it's Maricopa County (Phoenix) that's the problem.

      • http://simplyleftbehind.blogspot.com/ actor212

        Needs less cheese, more bacon.

        • Baconzgood

          I'm Baconzgood and I appove this comment.

    • shelwood46

      Traveling in Mississippi last week, I saw a sign in a Hardee's window for their new breakfast sandwich: bacon, egg and Canadian bacon. And, lo, did I say: enough with the fucking bacon already.

      • Negropolis

        Yeah, but it's Canadian, so it's not real bacon.

  • http://loljazzcatz.blogspot.com/2012/06/introducing-bad-note-millstones-of-jazz.html Chet Kincaid_

    Dok, as I'm sure you know, some feminists have advocated all-girl classes as a way to get girls away from the intimidation of having to deal with arrogant boys in the classroom so that they perform better. And boys schools in the inner city attempt to address the lagging performance of black boys compared to black girls that is a result of community bullshit/dysfunction. So it's not as cut and dried as "look what the dumb fucks down south are doing!" Well, maybe in this case, but not always.

    • SoBeach

      Beat me to it. I remember it was the pushy feminists advocating FOR sex segregated classes back in the 80s, on account of teachers were giving more attention to the more assertive boys and that was why Barbie thought math was hard.

      Or something.

    • emmelemm

      Agreed, 100%, that it is not cut-and-dried.

      However, if this ("The school plans the boys’ day to include exercise and movement, while the girls are provided with a “quieter environment.”) is true, then it's a bullshit sandwich inbetween two grilled bullshit sandwiches, no bacon.

      • http://loljazzcatz.blogspot.com/2012/06/introducing-bad-note-millstones-of-jazz.html Chet Kincaid_

        I said, "maybe in this case."

    • calliecallie

      I agree. Too bad these asshats can't be bothered to actually help kids reach their full potential.

  • kingofmeh

    girls' school schedule

    8:30-9:25 sammich fetching
    9:30-10:25 lookin purty
    10:30-11:25 not opening yer dang mouth so much
    11:30-12:25 enuff math to get by (making change at the store)
    12:30-1:00 lunch
    1:00-2:00 holdin aspirins between the knees lessons
    2:00-3:00 walking like a lady

    • http://www.southsidejohnny.com/ Jukesgrrl

      Lunchtime seminar: How to Be Attractive to Great Men Like Tucker Carlson

    • Baconzgood

      I don't see fetching Baconz a cold one there.

  • http://hong-kong-actresses.blogspot.com/ Chow Yun Flat

    boys are more competitive and should not be forced to make eye contact.

    They must need to restock the supply of serial killers in Idaho.

  • http://www.southsidejohnny.com/ Jukesgrrl

    The boys in Alabama are taught how to give other boys a concussion through head-butting. SEC football gotta stay on top.

  • http://simplyleftbehind.blogspot.com/ actor212

    Needs moar "laundry-babby feeding-watching Jerry Springer" juggling

  • http://loljazzcatz.blogspot.com/2012/06/introducing-bad-note-millstones-of-jazz.html Chet Kincaid_

    I do not understand the vintage illustration above, as all the girls are built like boys and wearing pants.

  • http://simplyleftbehind.blogspot.com/ actor212

    This is back from the time before silicone, when all women were flat-chested.

    • Jus_Wonderin

      Also, I think there was silicone rationing due to some war. Now, silly putty was plentiful. Go figure.

  • Antispandex

    My B.F.F. was a rat and told me all about that grade school movie. She also was the first one who…damn I miss her.

  • HRH_Maddie

    Look who's slaveholding now. ::cough, cough:: ACLU ::cough, cough::

  • SorosBot

    But wait, my girlfriend is good at math while I'm not, now I'm confused.

    • Jus_Wonderin

      As a former teacher, I say, find what you are good at and do that.

    • MissTaken

      It's okay honey, just go into the kitchen and fix me a sammich for when I get home from my business trip.

      • SorosBot

        But wouldn't it go bad by then?

        • Baconzgood

          Less questions moar de-crusting

        • Negropolis

          You back-talkin', boy? Don't make her have to ask, again, of she'll be the one serving you a sandwich…a knuckle sammich.

    • Toomush_Infer

      You're not really looking for comments, are you, Soros?….low-hanging fruit….

    • Guppy

      It's called "pegging."

  • MaxNeanderthal

    Why are those two girls in the picture holding up condoms?

  • emmelemm

    I would just like to point out that it is in fact true that as a "teen-age girl [I found] comfort and reassurance in [my] endless conversations."

  • DahBoner


    Will there be bussing….

  • Lot_49

    What part of "separate but equal is inherently unconstitutional" don't they understand?

  • Sassomatic

    It's important that the boys not be taught that girls' bodies shut down conception in cases of legitimate rape. It might hurt their pride.

  • Callyson

    Boys are permitted to play and exercise while girls must maintain a “quiet environment.”

    Oh, for fuck's sake.

  • BerkeleyBear

    There are positive reasons for single sex education (or at least so I was told by generations of feminist-educated women who found the experience important and empowering). What these clowns are doing, though, isn't education at all but indoctrination of the worst kind.

    • Biff

      My sister went to Mills, by choice. I think that makes a big difference.

  • jello_mold

    Those girls are doing two of my favorite things, knitting and drinking beer.

  • FeloniousMonk

    (Typing) "boys are better than girls at math because…"
    (Interruption) "Er, Sophie Germain, Sofia Kovalevskaya, and Emmy Noether would like to see you. And, oh my, there's a line around the block outside. Are you wearing an athletic protector?"

    My profession has a shameful history of dismissing women, and lord knows we have a long, long way to go in redressing the balance. And them some dipshit makes up a theory (which is his) about math and testosterone and estrogen AND ALABAMA BASES ITS EDUCATION POLICY ON IT? Ahem. Sorry for shouting. I shall go and get drunk now.

    • DesertTed

      Boys are better at math because they are. Of the top one tenth of one percent of SAT scores males outnumber females 6-1. Only 25% of PhDs in math are women. Men are better at math and men are better at sports. Women are better at some things. Birthing babies comes to mind.

      • FeloniousMonk

        Oh, hi Ted. Last time we met, we had a delightful discussion about atheism, altruism and such. I can see that this one will be equally intellectually challenging. Where to start? With "because they are". You are supplying numbers that supposedly show that boys are better at math. They say nothing at all about possible causes for this supposed imbalance. Perhaps you should consult a dictionary on the meaning of "because". In fact the numbers show no such thing. What they show is that, despite continuous attempts over hundreds of years to belittle and sideline women with the talent and desire to do mathematics, they're now starting to gain ground. Hey, 25% of PhDs. That's up from 0% about 200 years ago. Early days. Read the Wikipedia article on Germain to understand the progress made.

        Next: "men are better at sports". Men are better at sports designed with men in mind.

        Finally: "Birthing babies comes to mind". I'm sure Callyson won't mind if I say: FFS.

        To everybody else here: sorry for taking up your time with earnest bullshit, if you haven't just skipped on by. Some things wind me up.

      • Doktor Zoom

        Wow. So, were you born a jerk, or was it more of a learned behavior?

      • jello_mold

        Kudos on your excellent trolling. KUDOS.

  • christianmuslin

    In Idaho it sounds like creeping morman law. In Alabama it sounds like Alabama.

  • proudgrampa


  • Secluded Compound

    In the Alabama school,

    students are separated by sex for all classes, even during lunch. Instructions for teaching boys call for stressing “heroic” behavior that shows what it means to “be a man.”

    It's like they're starting their own little Sparta down there or something, except with chaw instead of pederasty.

    • Biff

      Can haz both?

      • Secluded Compound


  • Guppy

    boys are better than girls in math because their bodies receive daily surges of testosterone

    So my ability to solve partial differential equations gets all the ladies in my ZIP code pregnant?

    Yeah, not buying that one.

    1/3 x^3, by the way.

    • Secluded Compound



  • DesertTed

    If boys and girls ain't different, how come I only like looking at ladies nekkid?

    • Doktor Zoom

      I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that there is no intersection between the data sets "things that are relevant to education policy" and "people DesertTed likes to look at naked."

    • Negropolis

      Please, the only female you've ever seen naked is your mother.

  • sundaytrucker

    What girls suck at math? My sister has her degree in math and I failed linear algebra twice. Fuck, I'm now the bitch.

  • FeloniousMonk

    As Heidegger said … ooh, panties!

  • Biff

    Prescient that this post comes to us on the exact same day that is widely celebrated as Ada Lovelace's birthday.

  • Redgyal

    Hearing this on the anniversary of Ada Lovelace's birthday is kind of sad.

    • Biff


  • decentcitizen

    This fad only got legs after NCLB. A few schools showed they got a bump in standardized test scores by doing it, and BAM off to the races. But if you don't mind me invoking noted pragmatist and possible commie Dewey, school is primarily a social institution. Juicing test scores is important to school administrators but of limited benefit to the students.

  • http://hong-kong-actresses.blogspot.com/ Chow Yun Flat

    Single sex education and indoctrination in gender stereotypes aren't the same thing although these clowns seem to think they are.

  • decentcitizen

    I went to an all boys prep school. How come I do all the laundry and dishes? (Because Mrs. decentcitizen likes it when it's done).

  • Negropolis

    said Christina Brandt-Young

    **GASP** A hyphenated, modern woman! Surely, this is witchery.

  • Negropolis

    You see, the Taliban ain't so different from the Southern Baptists and other assorted evangelicals, after all!

    You say madrasah, and we say "Christian academy".

    BTW, they already have segregated schools in Alabama and Idaho. It's called school.

  • http://howtosavetheworld.ca/ BZ1

    pseudoscience the best kind, you just make stuff up

  • redarmyzombie

    Uh, Doc?

    I'd just like to say, back when I was in the public school system, they didn't separate us boys from the girls when they played *that* movie…

  • http://wonkette.com/ outragedcitizen

    The Idaho school system sounds like a mash up of 1950's Father-knows-best bullshit and the 1960's Hippie-Dippie head-up-the-ass nonsense.

    I managed to survive both.