HUSH NOW LADIES  10:30 am December 9, 2012

Lady Idiot Takes On Feminism

by Rich Abdill

I call this one, "Blogging."So there’s this website, see, called Thought Catalog. It is a lovely place popular with the kiddos that promises to “probably make you more interesting,” a promise that has been pointed out many times by many people, right before they insult the website, on account of its awfulness. This is one of those times.

You see, though their About page says they are “nobrow and nonpartisan… Culture is our politics,” one of the Cataloggers of Thought, Karie Kardasheman, decided to take on feminism, which, she says, is “going out of style.” Since we Wonket folk are so, so concerned with what is Stylish, we thought it best to pay attention.

We first learn, disturbingly, that “there is a very basic rhetorical problem with feminism — and it stems from terminology and semantics.” Then, onto the first brilliant semantic argument:

1. It’s a loaded term. A reeeally loaded term.

SCIENCE! What’s this mean, this “reeeally loaded term” term?

…while it is unfair for misogynists to stereotype feminists as perpetually angry man-haters, there have certainly been some rather extreme ideas associated with popular strands of feminist thought.

Ok, so, first point: It’s not cool that misogynists call feminists man-haters, but some feminists… hate men. So, you know, like, feminism is bad. That’s really the whole first point. There is also something about vagina muscles. Gross.

What’s next? We’re learning, we’re learning.

2. Men experience gender discrimination and violence as well.

Ohhh. Gooot it. One of the main reasons that “feminism is a lousy term that disservices its own foundational principles of gender equity” is that sometimes people are not so nice to men. Hear that, feminists? You’ve been standing up for the wrong gender this whole time.

Men can, for instance, be subject to false accusations of child molestation and rape.

Wait… THEY CAN?! This is a DISASTER. Well, we might as well stop accusing people of things. Also, feminists: You should probably stop fighting for sexual assault education and prevention; some people are sometimes wrongly accused of rape, and that is definitely a bigger problem that PEOPLE BEING RAPED.

(Also, not only can men be accused of rape, turns out they can be raped themselves. And when they aren’t taken seriously, that’s harmful patriarchal beliefs doing the talking. Men are supposed to be strong! Women are supposed to be sexually submissive! Why won’t you fight patriarchy, feminists?)

Feminism does not really capture any of that side of the reality. In fact, it obscures this fact and diminishes the visibility of those out there who face real and serious consequences of gender discrimination but who don’t identify as women.

Translation: Pointing out gender discrimination against women obscures gender discrimination against everybody else! STOP HOGGING THE LIMELIGHT, FEMINISTS. You were so busy standing up for things that you didn’t realize you were standing up in front of the men.

Never you mind the positive effects for everybody in the challenging of traditional gender roles and systemic inequalities — feminism, obviously, only helps women. It’s obvious, so long as you don’t ask a dad who wants custody of his children because dudes can be caretakers just like dudettes, or a little boy who doesn’t really like G.I. Joes and Tonka trucks, or the transgender man who’s tired of people asking him what he is. Those people and their conflicts with an unfair gender binary don’t count. Feminism has “fem” in the name. (Also, don’t forget: It’s out of style.)

3. The transgender community experiences a significant proportion of today’s gender-based social, political, and occupational troubles.

Ah, so we do care about the transgender community. Neat. It’s too bad there aren’t any feminists who care about the transgender community. There aren’t, right? Otherwise this point would sound pretttty silly.

Transgender individuals have faced a litany of harassment, discrimination and violence, from refusal of healthcare services, to denial of housing, to higher rates of violence…

Individuals who are transgender or non-gender conformist face some of the greatest obstacles to obtaining civil rights, social equity, and basic levels of respect.

There are many bad things: Children are starving in Africa. The hope-and-change president is killing people with flying killer robots. Justin Bieber has two perfumes. But to see that there are many bad things does not mean it’s wrong to fix only some.

Women are not the only group being discriminated against, sure. But nobody gives Habitat For Humanity any guff for not helping to cure prostate cancer — and until women stop getting blamed for their own abuse, and until employers seeking to dictate female employees’ health decisions are met with anything other than derision, and until congressmen like Rep. Todd Akin can demonstrate at least a basic understanding of the biology they are so wrathfully trying to legislate, there will always be a place for feminism.

Otherwise, who will oppress the men?

[Thought Catalog]

 

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{ 189 comments }

Chet Kincaid_ December 9, 2012 at 10:34 am

"STOP HOGGING THE LIMELIGHT, FEMINISTS. You were so busy standing up for things that you didn’t realize you were standing up in front of the men."

Nice.

Barbara_ December 9, 2012 at 10:57 am

Chet is there anything I can get for you before the game? A sandwich, cold beer, a turducken? I'll be ironing shirts if you need me.

Chet Kincaid_ December 9, 2012 at 11:06 am

Thanks, Toots. I'll be out in the garage, buildin' things and killin' things, until the game comes on. Did you pick up a 2013 cheesecake calendar for my pegboard?

glasspusher December 9, 2012 at 12:01 pm

Some of the younger guys where I work put up a cheesecake calendar in the machine shop- paintings of women from the '40s. Damn I like me some cheesecake. Nobody's complained, I didn't put it up…but damn.

HateMachine December 10, 2012 at 12:53 am

There's a cheesecake calendar up in my office, too. And, um, is it a thing that whoever's operating the calendar will stick another picture up there if the girl-of-the-month isn't his type? Because there's been a girl or three this year that I hadn't minded looking at (at all) who apparently didn't make the cut.

sullivanst December 9, 2012 at 11:06 am

Feminists, clearly, need to know their limits.

Dudleydidwrong December 9, 2012 at 11:21 am

Lovely, just lovely. Should be shown in all high school sex ed classes–assuming that high schools still have sex education classes.

They still have high schools, don't they?

mbobier December 9, 2012 at 11:26 am

"Look at these venomous harridans!" Ba ha haaaaaa!

102415 December 9, 2012 at 3:44 pm

The gold standard and kittens are both very confusing. Let's have both!

Redgyal December 9, 2012 at 11:07 pm

If only Thatcher knew her limits Britain would be a different place.

sullivanst December 10, 2012 at 9:37 am

When will she die?

kittensdontlie December 9, 2012 at 12:05 pm

The decline of the curtsey, was the first salvo in the War on Men.

AlterNewt December 9, 2012 at 10:36 am

I love you women!

You know… in a manly yet supportive, non-patronizing and non-sexist way.

So….

thatsitfortheother1 December 9, 2012 at 10:56 am

Does that line ever work?

AlterNewt December 9, 2012 at 11:02 am

You have to do the Barry White voice.

gullywompr December 9, 2012 at 11:11 am

Only on feminists.

flipdraw December 9, 2012 at 10:36 am

When, oh when will someone say something asinine about what is the deal with Armenians and the kutesy name alliteration? Oh wait, done and done!

fartknocker December 9, 2012 at 10:38 am

On her website I found the ultimate accessory and that was a vagina wig. I had no idea of what a vagina wig was until about 2 minutes ago but I must say its an accessory I may need to purchase for my significant other.

UW8316154 December 9, 2012 at 10:56 am

Merkins have always been in style.

eggsacklywright December 9, 2012 at 11:19 am

US merkins?

UW8316154 December 9, 2012 at 12:10 pm

REAL MERKINS ™

HateMachine December 10, 2012 at 12:55 am

Here in MERKA, we speek MERKIN

finallyhappy December 9, 2012 at 11:39 am

I was going to load a photo of the crocheted cervix I made but I'm not sure how to load photos here- and it would show that I could probably make a VJJ wig- if I had any idea what it is(no, I am not going to look at the website)

gullywompr December 9, 2012 at 12:01 pm

My friend knitted an unshaved vag. It's a real conversation piece. She said that found the pattern online somewhere.

Vecchiojohn December 9, 2012 at 2:38 pm

Hmm – maybe we've finally figured out what that thing on Trump's head is.

Chet Kincaid_ December 9, 2012 at 10:39 am

Here is the sum total of our knowledge of this deep thinker, per her Thought Catalog bio:

karie kardasheman once got TOTALLY hit on by colin farrell. but then she had to go because her ex was texting her like a zillion times, and they had some stuff they had to work out. and then when she got back, colin had left. i swear.

She spelled "Kardashian" wrong, also.

YouFail4eva December 9, 2012 at 11:33 am

I think I died a little inside. Thanks Chet!

Secluded Compound December 10, 2012 at 6:27 pm

She also substituted "collin" for "Will" for some reason.

memzilla December 9, 2012 at 10:42 am

Hmm. So by this logic, lower speed limits for 18 wheel trucks are pointless and counterproductive , because they fail to address the special needs and problems of 4 wheel automobiles, so we should do away with speed limits.

Biff December 9, 2012 at 12:58 pm

Jesus, don't get me started…

corthylio December 9, 2012 at 5:09 pm

I don't really understand too much about speed limit policies, but I really like puppies. They are so soft and furry and they have that sweet puppy breath! Squee!

christianmuslin December 9, 2012 at 10:43 am

Exactly how will this improve my ability to get a date, experience more sexytime or prepare for the fiscal cliff?

kittensdontlie December 9, 2012 at 11:57 am

All they promised was more interesting. Like at a restaurant, after mentioning your newly acquired feminist views, you will look interesting wearing your date's mango gazpacho soup.

chascates December 9, 2012 at 10:44 am

I can't await until web sites such as this can be enjoyed via 3-D virtual reality. Or possibly mind melds.

cheetojeebus December 9, 2012 at 12:54 pm

After that sort of Mind Meld one would need a whole barrel of whiskey to cleanse the palate, so to speak….

Close_Read December 9, 2012 at 10:50 am

Ah, to be 22 again and to know everything.

sullivanst December 9, 2012 at 11:00 am

And also have some catch.

memzilla December 9, 2012 at 11:09 am

And some trim!

Negropolis December 9, 2012 at 11:37 pm

To know everything is to know nothing.

Buddha said something like that, didn't he? If he didn't, it totally sounds like something he should have said.

HateMachine December 10, 2012 at 12:56 am

Preeeeeetty sure Oscar Wilde said it. Or he will, anyway.

CivicHoliday December 9, 2012 at 10:50 am

This article is her audition to be an extra on Duck Dynasty

finallyhappy December 9, 2012 at 11:41 am

so speaking of Duck Dynasty – I briefly watched last week- because I thought it was the show about actual duck families(that is a show but I'm not sure where)

commiegirl99 December 9, 2012 at 11:59 am

Oh man I miss Meerkat Manor SO MUCH.

CivicHoliday December 9, 2012 at 1:23 pm

Yeah, we need more good nature shows. Duck Dynasty is no such thing. In fact, I just read an article (http://truthmattersblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/5-reasons-america-needs-duck-dynasty/) posted by a conservative FB relative talking about how it's the only wholesome reality TV show because it emphasizes traditional gender roles. Blah…never have a bunch of guys who look like a ZZ Top cover band been so lame.

Negropolis December 9, 2012 at 11:37 pm

I'd completely forgotten about them. Know, I have to miss them all over again. :(

not that Dewey December 9, 2012 at 10:50 am

Can we hear more about these "vagina muscles"? Sounds intr1guing.

thatsitfortheother1 December 9, 2012 at 10:58 am

Kegeln. It's not just bowling anymore.

AlterNewt December 9, 2012 at 10:58 am

Is there a 'weird trick'?

memzilla December 9, 2012 at 11:20 am

Yes. *ahem* Being able to make change for a $100.

kittensdontlie December 9, 2012 at 12:23 pm

Oh sure, it's all fun and games until someone gets their eye poked out by them.

Monsieur_Grumpe December 9, 2012 at 12:28 pm

I noticed that she smokes…

ProgressiveInga December 9, 2012 at 12:30 pm

And does this involve ping-pong balls?

WhatTheHeck December 9, 2012 at 12:36 pm

These muscles get ripped by pumping a lot of iron.

Biff December 9, 2012 at 1:02 pm

Like Steely Dan, amirite?

ManchuCandidate December 9, 2012 at 10:52 am

I won't buy those thoughts for a dollar. A Sharper Image (RIP) catalog provides more intellectual stimulation than the meanderings of dinguses.

kittensdontlie December 9, 2012 at 11:47 am

You would be overpaying with a penny.

not that Dewey December 9, 2012 at 10:55 am
RadioBitchFace December 9, 2012 at 11:18 am

They are more than just mothers, they love fashion!

gullywompr December 9, 2012 at 11:44 am

"The mogosphere (mom-blogosphere) operates like a well-oiled machine."

BRB.

Mahousu December 9, 2012 at 12:06 pm

She really has Wonkette pegged. Now I understand the vitriol.

Guppy December 9, 2012 at 12:20 pm

Oh, now they're asking for it!

not that Dewey December 9, 2012 at 12:23 pm

WARMOG!

smokefilledroommate December 9, 2012 at 1:10 pm

Where's that vomiting emoticon when you need it? Christ, it sounds like the infant is posting half the time.

not that Dewey December 9, 2012 at 1:25 pm

Right? And the comments sound like they were written by the soiled diapers.

Butch_Wagstaff December 9, 2012 at 5:53 pm

Oh god. So "mogger" is a word now?

malsperanza December 9, 2012 at 10:43 pm

Yes, but it's a word only Republicans can hear.

BarackMyWorld December 9, 2012 at 10:56 am

You refuse to support an idea that has benefited you directly and you claim to share the same values and goals of because of stereotypes about other people who support the same cause promoted by people whose opinions you shouldnt care about?

Got it.

Chet Kincaid_ December 9, 2012 at 10:59 am

She really had to go all the way back to that sideshow from the '70s and '80s, Andrea Dworkin, to try to discredit Feminism?

thatsitfortheother1 December 9, 2012 at 11:04 am

Dworkin. A 'w' away from being descriptive.

not that Dewey December 9, 2012 at 12:56 pm

It's the anti-feminist equivalent of the climate deniers' "Oh yeah? Well, one time, in the 70s, one person wrote something about global cooling. So there."

RadioBitchFace December 9, 2012 at 11:00 am

Good, now go make me a sammich woman!

sullivanst December 9, 2012 at 11:00 am

Ah so, pointing out sexism is the real sexism.

thatsitfortheother1 December 9, 2012 at 11:04 am

How the fuck did we get to this point?

memzilla December 9, 2012 at 11:11 am

I think we made a wrong turn at Albuquerque.

YouFail4eva December 9, 2012 at 11:35 am

Nope, I'm pretty sure that was right. I think it was when the GPS told us to make a right at Niagra Falls and we went right over the damn thing.

Biff December 9, 2012 at 1:11 pm

Does this mean we'll all be issued barrels in which we are to tumble over the fiscal waterfall cliff? Cool!

sullivanst December 9, 2012 at 11:42 am

Years of practice.

UW8316154 December 9, 2012 at 11:00 am
gullywompr December 9, 2012 at 11:01 am

Feminism completely fails to address the issue of global warming. Doesn't say dick about it actually, and that's just unfair to other-than-women.

Negropolis December 9, 2012 at 11:43 pm

And, since it "doesn't say dick about it" it's also sexist against men, because you should say dick about everything.

memzilla December 9, 2012 at 11:01 am

You know, I guess there was a point to all of her pisswhiffling prose, but I failed to see it as it was camouflaged behind all of the "but this and also that" equivalencies.

Here's a tip for anyone who writes or wants to write: Strunk and White.

IOW: GET DIRECTLY TO THE POINT. STOP WAFFLING AROUND.

Put all of your equivalencies and exceptions and "Offer Not Good In Sectors R or N" disclaimers into one paragraph and put that graph in the second position, or better yet, way at the bottom as a footnote, and then GET THE F**K ON WITH WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY.

Jeebus H. Blue-Penciling Christ On A Thesaurus, people, it's Not. That. Hard. To. Do.

If you have a point to make, make it, and make me believe it with a sustained chain of logic that is uninterrupted with On The Other Hands. Otherwise, you're making me believe you're just after a word-count.

And wingtards, one of the things you fail to notice when you look at a site like Wonkette is that we spend at least as much time making fun of poorly written wingtardity (ex: Sarah Palin) as we do of the actual content of the wingtardity (ex: Sarah Palin).

OK? Any questions? Fine. Now get off of my lawn and take your raggedy-ass excuse for wordsmithing off with you, it'll leave dents in the grass.

glasspusher December 9, 2012 at 12:05 pm

What are you getting at?

Barrelhse December 9, 2012 at 8:05 pm

"uh…I'll have a pizza to go, no anchovies."

glasspusher December 9, 2012 at 10:07 pm

Forget it. They never come up into the hills.

Redgyal December 9, 2012 at 11:12 pm

But you forget, it is just a simple woman writing. Perhaps a man wold have done a better job.

Blueb4sinrise December 9, 2012 at 11:05 am

Here's the thing: Some people only like crunchy dill pickles. I'm okay with that. However, some of the best dill pickles I've ever had have been kind of mushy. Some were enjoyed at good deli's, and it even goes way back when Grammy made her own in big ceramic crocks. DEAL WITH IT!

Wait, wut?

finallyhappy December 9, 2012 at 11:43 am

really, I thought mushy meant they were bad-although i guess most brined things are safe(or not- I don't know)

Blueb4sinrise December 9, 2012 at 11:54 am

I dunno, never bothered me though.

woolmyn December 9, 2012 at 12:16 pm

Freudian.

ttommyunger December 9, 2012 at 11:06 am

Check their website: not one mention of teh buttsechs. Total turnoff!

Guppy December 9, 2012 at 12:23 pm

Exactly. Just how "more interesting" can they be without ass-fucking?

ttommyunger December 9, 2012 at 12:29 pm

Fer sure!Sent from the Field, not in Garrison.

zerosumgame0005 December 9, 2012 at 11:07 am

while most of your article was funny and had a point, the idea of dismissing someone being falsely accused of rape or child molestation just because a little girl gets caught wanking it to internet porn by daddy IS A FUCKING DISASTER for the guy. Your seeming amusement at the idea is not just offensive it's fucking stupid on your part.

gullywompr December 9, 2012 at 11:25 am

Yes, this Wonkette article does not really capture any of that side of the reality. In fact, it obscures this fact and diminishes the visibility of those out there who face real and serious consequences of gender discrimination but who don’t identify as women.

YouFail4eva December 9, 2012 at 11:36 am

May I just say? PWNED!

zerosumgame0005 December 9, 2012 at 1:54 pm

it does not just not really capture it, she and rather a lot of you assholes make light of the situation. perhaps you feel (without any actual proof) it is such a low number that you can get away with it. Of course it is highly amusing for some random guy to be plucked off the street tossed in jail have his life ruined and raped in jail and possibly killed on the word of a liar. highly amusing for sociopaths anyway. reptards and baggers like you are scum.

starfanglednut December 9, 2012 at 3:06 pm

Wtf are you talking about? No one here is a reptard or bagger. You must be looking for Breitbart.

gullywompr December 9, 2012 at 3:20 pm

Just so you know – your keyboard has two shift keys.

Kinda stupid of me to attack you for not capitalizing letters, ain't it? 'Cause that really has nothing at all to do with what you're really trying to say, does it? But that was the one thing I noticed about what you typed, so I'm going to go on about it for a while, whether it's relevant or not.

iamrrm December 10, 2012 at 7:55 am

WIN

sullivanst December 9, 2012 at 11:45 am

Your missing the point that using the small number of false accusations as a reason to villainize the much larger number of genuine victims IS A MUCH BIGGER FUCKING DISASTER not just for "the" girl, but in fact all human beings.

zerosumgame0005 December 9, 2012 at 1:49 pm

so your ASSumption of the statistical number of times it happens justifies mocking the guys who are sent to prison and abused there? all I can say about that is fuck you, fuck your daddy and fuck your mommy for bringing such an asshole into the light of day.

sullivanst December 9, 2012 at 2:07 pm

Stop raping that straw man.

starfanglednut December 9, 2012 at 3:07 pm

Indeed.

commiegirl99 December 9, 2012 at 12:02 pm

um what?

sullivanst December 9, 2012 at 12:11 pm

A very good question. Perhaps the OP should've asked it of themselves before hitting submit.

Guppy December 9, 2012 at 12:24 pm

I believe it's spelled "lolwut."

gullywompr December 9, 2012 at 12:56 pm

kkkkkkkkkkk!

Biff December 9, 2012 at 1:19 pm

Usually signed off with O_o

njstore December 9, 2012 at 9:06 pm

I hear your anger.
It is wrong to falsely accuse someone of rape.
It is wrong to threaten someone of being a pedophile when they are not.
It is wrong to rape and wrong to dismiss rape.
Talking about rape makes everyone uncomfortable.
And I know this all too well.

Negropolis December 9, 2012 at 11:46 pm

Somebody sounds like they've had a personal experience with this…

And for that I am sorry, truly, I am. But, go form a more coherent thought and criticism (which is impossible, because nothing written condoned what you're accusing this blog of in the least bit) and come back to us, okay? Thanks. Bye.

iamrrm December 10, 2012 at 8:01 am

Comments such as this highlight the need for a down fist or perhaps a big red question mark.

johnnyzhivago December 9, 2012 at 11:08 am

The Internet is passe…. Pretty soon we're all going to be reading mimeographed pamphlets.

Chet Kincaid_ December 9, 2012 at 11:15 am

Vinyl LP Snob Libel!!

eggsacklywright December 9, 2012 at 11:50 am

I love my B&O turntable.

glasspusher December 9, 2012 at 12:06 pm

Mmm…the smell of dittos…

Biff December 9, 2012 at 1:20 pm

This is actually helpful in understanding those women for Rush Limbaugh.

glasspusher December 9, 2012 at 1:23 pm

I hear they give great dittohead.kkkk

Biff December 9, 2012 at 2:07 pm

Ow! Wasn't the viper thread last week?

Guppy December 9, 2012 at 12:25 pm

We'll all be getting our porn on microfiche.

woolmyn December 9, 2012 at 2:35 pm

That's about the size of it.

johnnyzhivago December 9, 2012 at 11:11 am

I submit "Gangham Grannies" as proof that the Internet is dead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlKa1f4QMRc

Pithaughn December 9, 2012 at 1:05 pm

needs more Chris Farley, http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/lunc
i apologize in advance for the ads for crap that does not actually fulfill a human need.

Chet Kincaid_ December 9, 2012 at 11:13 am

"Thought Catalog" is what happens to college newspaper web columnists after they graduate.

PubOption December 9, 2012 at 11:36 am

What about Juli and Riley?

Goonemeritus December 9, 2012 at 11:14 am

While it is unfair to equate all Conservatives thought with the tenets of National Socialism. It must be said many on the right look most at home in brown shirts and boots.

oenspiek December 9, 2012 at 5:51 pm

While, in a strictly 'factual' sense, this may be true, it ignores all those Conservatives who look most at home in black leather.

memzilla December 9, 2012 at 11:18 am

Find a suggestible Randian with a death wish, tell her we should jump together. Next question?

YouFail4eva December 9, 2012 at 11:34 am

Which is faster? Rush making a dash for the Oxycontin buffet or the average tea-bagger who thinks he has a clever sign as he writes it down?

sullivanst December 9, 2012 at 11:41 am

Physics has an easy answer: consider the power-to-mass ratio.

mbobier December 9, 2012 at 11:19 am

"…there have certainly been some rather extreme ideas associated with popular strands of feminist thought." Well, I'm having some rather extreme ideas about this website, but you don't see me making a federal case of it.

One_Man_Band December 9, 2012 at 11:46 am

Somewhere on the internet, somebody said something dumb! Let's write a few paragraphs about it!

Doktor Zoom December 10, 2012 at 12:16 am

So glad someone finally read Wonkette's mission statement.

Toomush_Infer December 9, 2012 at 11:49 am

Stop it, mom….

DixvilleCrotch December 9, 2012 at 11:58 am

But what does she have to say about cisgendered heteronormativity and epicine roues?

commiegirl99 December 9, 2012 at 12:09 pm

Oh man, this comment. "Do you have a vagina? Do you want to be in charge of it?" OF COURSE that is a hate crime against transgendered folks. It is not fair to note that most women have vaginas.

I hate the Internet.
http://thoughtcatalog.com/2012/yes-feminism-is-go

sullivanst December 9, 2012 at 12:19 pm

Well, at least they didn't mention syph.

RadioBitchFace December 9, 2012 at 12:30 pm

MANGINA LIBEL!

Mojopo December 9, 2012 at 1:51 pm

I'm waiting, because any minute now someone is going to charge commiegirl with being an angry feminist for the comments she left, and that's when I'm going to start pelting them with the piles of shit in my cage.

oenspiek December 9, 2012 at 7:11 pm

"It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them!"

Wile E. Quixote December 9, 2012 at 8:20 pm

Wait, if you point out that most women have vaginas are you a sexist? Or am I a sexist if I point out that you pointed out that most women have vaginas? How does this work again?

PsycWench December 9, 2012 at 12:18 pm

Ah yes, a repackaging of the familiar message from men's rights blogs: we WOULD become concerned with your silly female issues but see, there are men whose lives aren't perfect and that's really more important.

LibrarianX December 9, 2012 at 12:23 pm

Logic salad.

Monsieur_Grumpe December 9, 2012 at 12:23 pm

Come on Karie, just admit it,you don’t know how to change a tire.

smokefilledroommate December 9, 2012 at 1:16 pm

or watch a football game. which reminds me..

Pragmatist2 December 9, 2012 at 12:39 pm

Suggesting that feminism is defective because it does not deal with problems specific to males is like suggesting that philosophy is defective because it does nto deal with diseases among penguins.

SayItWithWookies December 9, 2012 at 1:08 pm

Her first two points — that some people stereotype feminists as shrill and that other people experience gender discrimination as well, are completely non-germane. And yes, feminists (as she says in point #3) should be concerned with overall issues of gender equality and discrimination. But then again, if it weren't for feminists bringing up the idea of gender equality, most Americans would never have heard of transgender, bisexual or other categories of human sexuality.

And take it from a socialist atheist vegetarian — some people are gonna get annoyed regardless of what you call yourself. Yes, the term feminism doesn't encompass the whole scope of modern gender equality issues — but they wouldn't exist if it weren't for feminism.

gullywompr December 9, 2012 at 1:22 pm

I call myself a vagetarian. It's important to eat well.

starfanglednut December 9, 2012 at 3:09 pm

Yummm…

snowpointsecret December 9, 2012 at 1:22 pm

"We shouldn't help any women because a few women take it way too far sometimes and other people can be discriminated against too!"

I think she graduated with honors from the Rick Santorum school of fuzzy logic.

Callyson December 9, 2012 at 1:24 pm

feminism, which, she says, is “going out of style.”

Yeah, haters have been saying feminism is going out of style for decades (centuries?) now. Funny how it keeps making a comeback…

/bitch

Biff December 9, 2012 at 1:27 pm

Bitches.

Amirite, fellas?

Mojopo December 9, 2012 at 1:28 pm

As a woman in my mid-forties, I've had the privilege of enjoying a world much bigger than the one a previous generation of women lived in. I was a child of the 70s, and I'm close enough to see the way the world was before gender equality began to heat up in the 60s, but I am uncomfortably close to the generation of women after me, who have no working concept of feminism and think it's politically incorrect or destructive. They think we are post-feminism, or that the function of feminist groups is to hate men. People like Karie Kardasheman can't believe that we can champion women's rights and not hate anyone at the same time, because she can't hold more than one thought in her head at a time. She can't appreciate the value of the future because she cannot comprehend what the struggle has been like… because she lives in a better world. Things are good enough for people like her. That's the thing that pisses me off the most. They imply that things are good enough by saying we've gone too far. Ignorance alone is enough to make me boil over, but I can't tolerate underachievers. Isn't that what this is about – that we don't need more feminism? It's yucky and complicated, so let's pile on a lot of garbage that doesn't make any logical sense instead of sorting out the challenges of being a woman on planet Earth.

Karie Kardasheman should make me a goddamned pot pie.

bibliotequetress December 9, 2012 at 7:55 pm

A hundred upfists.

cousinitt December 9, 2012 at 1:41 pm

Can I just say that not only do I not understand the "thought" piece in question, I don't get that entire website. It makes my head hurt. How they talk about the awesomeness of their website makes me want to poke my own eyes out so that I never again read anything so disturbing. But, I think I liked it better when it was called Reader's Digest and I was 10.

Joshua Norton December 9, 2012 at 1:42 pm

“nobrow and nonpartisan… Culture is our politics,”

Well, that delusional concept should buy her therapist new patio furniture, at least.

Callyson December 9, 2012 at 2:01 pm

OK, I gave in to morbid curiosity and went to the link (don't bother, it froze my computer.) For the piece de resistance:

Yes, to reiterate, modern versions of feminist theory and activism do include considerations for men and the LGBT community. But let’s face the fact that the term feminism is archaic, misleading, and inaccurate for the contemporary situation we are in.

Feminism is embracing the issues I think it should include…so let's get rid of it, Perfectly logical.

/FFS

sullivanst December 9, 2012 at 2:26 pm

Archaic? How is a 50-year-old word is archaic? Misleading? No, just misunderstood by idiots who misunderstand almost everything. Inaccurate for the contemporary situation we are in? Not for as long as the pay gap exist and the forced-birth movement controls a chamber of Congress and numerous state legislatures.

Barrelhse December 9, 2012 at 8:22 pm

"…the contemporary situation we are in."
'These days of modern times?'

LibertyLover December 9, 2012 at 2:06 pm

You were so busy standing up for things that you didn’t realize you were standing up in front of the men.

Uhhh… I'm pretty short, can't they just see over me?

LibertyLover December 9, 2012 at 2:13 pm

You menz would treat us womenz with more respect if we were packin' guns everywherez we went.

Negropolis December 9, 2012 at 11:51 pm

Well, I can't argue with that. No, really, I can't argue with that, Liberty. Put the gun DOWN…

carlgt1 December 9, 2012 at 2:42 pm

It all sounds a lot like the "hate unions" meme, i.e. throw out the whole notion (of unions, feminism, affirmative action, Civil Rights?) because some pompous windbag declares they've "outlived their usefulness" etc.

Mojopo December 9, 2012 at 3:16 pm

Exactly. They're buying into the whole bag of nonsense. The only equivalent I could think of, off the top of my head, is the way the word "socialism" has been redefined by powerful people to mean something evil and destructive.

ElPinche December 9, 2012 at 3:13 pm

Is a feminism over? Please someone tell my wife. She makes more money than me and thinks she can boss me around and makes me sleep on the wet spot. I'm sick of washing dishes and folding mutherfucking clothes. I don't even get a measly reach around anymore. Please, Karie Kardashian, plz send the memo to my wife (however you risk Terri materializing through digital ether and choking your cunt neck).

Mojopo December 9, 2012 at 3:14 pm

I paid attention to the comments at Thought Catalog for longer than they deserved. Guess what thought I left with? About 3-4 people there need to be flushed down the toilet, and that I want to spray paint the word "feminism" on their cars. Just to piss them off, when they crawl out of the sewer and look for their ride home.

jello_mold December 9, 2012 at 3:41 pm

So if you talk about women's issues then you're automatically discriminating against non-vagina-ed people by definition.

Does this thought make my ass look fat?

poorgradstudent December 9, 2012 at 4:31 pm

Dammit the article didn't misquote Andrea Dworkin* so my post-feminist bingo card is useless!

*It always amuses me that post/anti-feminists always end up misquoting Dworkin, especially since the crap she actually wrote was crazy enough.

proudgrampa December 9, 2012 at 4:53 pm

I just want to say that some of my best friends are feminists.

fuflans December 9, 2012 at 5:48 pm

camille paglia disapproves.

fuflans December 9, 2012 at 5:50 pm

JESUS CHRIST TWO FUCKING JUSTIN BIEBER PERFUMES?!?!?!

i hate canada.

viennawoods13 December 9, 2012 at 6:18 pm

Hey- it was Canadians who booed the Biebs at the Grey Cup.

fuflans December 9, 2012 at 6:34 pm

mere hyperbole and ancient habits (my mother's canadian and i spent my misspent youth teasing her about it…).

but to be fair, if we didn't have canada, we wouldn't know how many nice things we can't have. hell they even got rid of a bagger mayor with no fuss and bother. we'll be saddled with our congressional baggers for the next decade probably.

Negropolis December 9, 2012 at 11:53 pm

Don't forget Loonieback and Sharia Twain and Selena Dion Warwick!

BZ1 December 9, 2012 at 6:02 pm

Another wingnut axiom: "If we include prison rape, then most rape is perpetrated against men."

viennawoods13 December 9, 2012 at 6:17 pm

AND rape of drunken or unconscious men by women. Because yeah, that's totally possible.

gullywompr December 9, 2012 at 6:58 pm

Meh. I slept with a sock monkey every night until I was 6.

sudden_eyes December 9, 2012 at 6:58 pm

Time for Caitlin Moran (when is it ever not?):

“What is feminism? Simply the belief that women should be as free as men, however nuts, dim, deluded, badly dressed, fat, receding, lazy and smug they might be. Are you a feminist? Hahaha. Of course you are.”

glamourdammerung December 9, 2012 at 7:04 pm

Why am I supposed to care what this woman thinks?

Mojopo December 9, 2012 at 7:51 pm

Commiegirl, I am sure it was wholesome. The gorilla was your Richard Parker, and please don't tell me otherwise. Oh please.

commiegirl99 December 9, 2012 at 8:05 pm

Well now I must tell you the whole story.So I was at the Santa Barbara Zoo with my dear friend and her baby daughter, and this magnificent ape (heh) was just … gazing at me. And he was fucking noble and handsome, and I was struck still. We were actually in love. Romantically in love. Then, still holding my eye, he took a shit in his hand and held it to his nose, real sexy-like, and I wasn't in love with him anymore, and I left really fast.

Mojopo December 9, 2012 at 8:24 pm

I used to fall for those shit-in-their hands types, too.

That is a brilliant story, and I doubt I'll forget it.

HistoriCat December 10, 2012 at 11:39 am

Angry feminist who can't just let men male gorillas be men male gorillas …

decentcitizen December 9, 2012 at 9:53 pm

My wife hasn't told me how I feel about this article so no comment.

Negropolis December 9, 2012 at 11:17 pm

Is a Kardasheman like a Jewish Armenian Kadashian or something?

And, all those words, and for what? Do you know how many sadwiches she could have made in the time it took her to write that piece?

Negropolis December 9, 2012 at 11:31 pm

Is this one of those smart beliefs that states you must do everything, and since no one or one group can't do everything, that means that they shouldn't do anything, at all? Got it. I've heard this far too often before, just trade out "feminism" for "NAACP", (fill in the blank of minority organization/movement, but not things like ethnic societies (Lithuanian Halls, Irish organizations) because those things are totally different).

Shorter: Wasn't America a better place when people just knew their places?

Negropolis December 9, 2012 at 11:47 pm

Feminism? How gauche. Everyone knows that today's "it" thing is the reincarnation of the He-Man's Woman Hater Club.

glamourdammerung December 10, 2012 at 12:33 am

But I thought Republicans disliked Bill Maher too?

Negropolis December 9, 2012 at 11:49 pm

I'm hoping it was a one-way lust, and the love most appropriately unrequited…

EDIT: Ha!

OneYieldRegular December 10, 2012 at 12:59 pm

Q: How many Thought Catalogers does it take to screw in a light bulb?

A: That's not funny.

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