PART 14: DOING SCIENCE AND I'M STILL ALIVE  11:00 am December 2, 2012

Sundays With The Christianists: A ‘World History’ Textbook That Knows All Science Is Prayer-Based

by Doktor Zoom

In SSRIs We TrustAs has been pointed out, by this point in excavating our 10th-grade textbook for home-schoolers, World History and Cultures In Christian Perspective, we all know that the correct answer will always be “Jesus.” Nonetheless, we will press on, because it’s still a laugh to find out just how many problems with reality these guys have. As you may recall, last week, we looked at why liberalism is ther greatest threat to Western Culture (because not enough Jesus, duh). This week, we’ll look at why a lot of science is not really scientific (spoiler: Because not enough Jesus).

Just to make sure their discussion starts off on a sound footing, the editors start with a bit of scripture, since that’s where all real science comes from:

During the late-19th and early-20th centuries, several liberal philosophies arose in the name of science but were really “science falsely so called” (1 Tim. 6:20).

The lovely thing about this choice is that now the editors are even cherry-picking within their own Bibles: Paul isn’t warning Timothy to avoid astrology, telephone psychics, or even evolution; he’s warning about the influence of gnosticism, which the early church considered heretical. And it’s only the King James version that translates gnosis as “science” here; almost all other Bibles, and even the KJV in 28 other instances of gnosis, translate it as “knowledge.” But it sounds like Biblical authority to pick and choose among sciences, so sure, let’s tell the kids that.

These pseudosciences (Greek pseudo: “false”) and their founders all related to one another in their desire to strike down absolute truth and rebel against God.

Never mind the irony of people who insist that Noah’s Ark explains the Grand Canyon using the term “pseudoscience”; we can only imagine how terrifying it must be to live in a world where it feels like everything around you is a trap designed to tempt you away from God’s absolute truth. (Your Doktor Zoom was raised Catholic, so sin was, of course, everywhere. But we seldom heard that entire professional fields were founded on heresy.) The real problem with a lot of science, the editors say, is that it’s based on all these dumb assumtions about reality:

The false philosophy that linked many of the pseudosciences together was positivism, the teaching of French philosopher Auguste Comte [1798-1857]. Positivism states that nothing can be known except observable scientific “facts,” an idea similar to the older philosophy of empiricism (the belief that experience is the only source of knowledge). According to Comte, all knowledge was confined to what could be observed only by the human senses; anything that was considered spiritual was ignored. In fact, Comte declared that history showed how mankind had “progressed” from belief in God and the supernatural to “positive, scientific knowledge” . . . Comte later coined the term ”sociology” for his new “science” of human society.

Any science that fails to account for the possibility that angels might be jumping down on the scales or slaying microbes is therefore incomplete and invalid.

Now, you might think this was all building up to another rant on evolution, but this time, the focus is on the anti-Christian field of psychology, since, you know, it seeks to understand human behavior without including the eternal guilt we all bear for a lady who ate fruit:

The wicked influence of positivism, Darwinism, and religious liberalism caused people to lose confidence in the existence of a personal God and to turn instead to psychology (the study of the mind) for answers regarding human behavior. Sigmund Freud [1856-1939], a prominent Austrian psychiatrist, believed that man was a product of evolution and nothing more than a highly developed animal. He formulated a system known as psychoanalysis, which says that subconscious physical drives or irrational fears determine a man’s actions. According to Freud, man is not responsible for his behavior, and any guilt experienced by someone over his actions can be relieved by blaming his subconscious drives. Freud’s liberal claims denied the Biblical teachings that man is born with a sinful nature and is in need of salvation through Jesus Christ.

Of the many critiques we’ve seen of Freud, this is easily the looniest: Freud’s theories aren’t problematic because they’re more like literary theory than science, but rather because they just aren’t sufficiently theological. They also say much the same about the behaviorists, ignoring the evidence that, yes, we really do respond to conditioning, and of course they scoff at B.F. Skinner’s “beyond freedom and dignity” line. The real focus of their anger, of course, is how these evils have come to be accepted, even though it’s plain on the face of it that they’re completely bogus. It must be a devilish plot!

Focusing on man’s physical conduct and functions, behavioral psychology claims that education should consist of psychological “conditioning,” giving man a tool for programming individuals to fit in with what the conditioners define as the “good of society.” Sadly both behavioral psychology and psychoanalysis form the philosophical basis for much of education and criminal justice today.

The government schools are just brainwashing, is what they are! But…we thought all of it was bogus, so why are they so worried? Is this like how they freak out over Harry Potter and Dungeons and Dragons, which they worry will lead kids to studying the dark arts…which…uh, aren’t real? Or are? Needs more Jebus, in any case.

So, then, let’s close with a discussion of what real science is about:

In contrast to these pseudoscientific ideas stand the genuine accomplishments of true science in the 20th century. While positivistic “scientists” tried to discover “laws” that set mankind drifting away from absolute truths, real scientists devoted their time and talent striving to understand the absolute order and harmony by which God designed and created the universe. True science follows God’s command to “subdue the earth and have dominion over it” (Gen. 1:27-28), rather than trying to subdue mankind with false philosophies. Indeed, true science’s view of absolutes has been the basis for all great scientific achievements throughout the ages.

You will be astonished to learn that, after this setup, the editors do not see fit to provide a single example of a 20th-Century scientific discovery that was rooted primarily in understanding God’s perfect order and harmony. With that stuff about subduing the earth, maybe they mean coal mining.

Also left up to the reader to puzzle out is whether it is acceptible for good Christians to avail themselves of psychiatric medications; are they supposed to just pray away their bipolar disorder, or would they be allowed to benefit from medications that were conceived in a wicked, positivist view of the brain, as long as they continue to see themselves as essentially sinful and depraved?

Meh, the hell with ‘em. We’re more in tune with the positive positivism of They Might Be Giants:

[Image credit: Unemployed Philososophers' Guild]

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{ 176 comments }

FakaktaSouth November 27, 2012 at 10:55 am

I am a Connery girl first, always, and I could care less what this man's opinions are on blue-eyed, perfectly cut, incredibly hot guys, when Javier Bardem was rubbing on Daniel Craig's throat and thighs and trying to intimidate him the gay-sex-way and Daniel said something like "you act like this is my first time" OH MAN OH MAN OH MAN OH MAN…is it hot in here? I feel like I need to lie down.

Barrelhse December 2, 2012 at 8:29 pm

Well, Nast DID publish all those magazines.

richmx2 December 2, 2012 at 9:04 pm

??? Possibly you're referring to Condé-Nast? What's that have to do with August Comte?

qwerty42 November 27, 2012 at 11:57 am

These guys sound kind of kinky. And not in a good way.

Negropolis December 3, 2012 at 12:03 am

What kind of Baptist were you? Because Baptists tend to strike me as some of the least tolerant of deviation from whatever they hold to be the truth. They remind me a bit of the Puritans who decried top-down control, and then made their way to our shores and started…a top-down theocracy. Baptists have to go all the way back to Roger Williams to get close to what you're talking about in my mind.

Mittaplasia December 2, 2012 at 12:04 pm

So many "isms"; so little time!

Negropolis December 2, 2012 at 11:27 pm

I don't know. We'll have all the time in the world in Hell to think about it.

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 12:06 pm

Hey! We're back! It's a Holiday Miracle – like Cephalopodization!

memzilla December 2, 2012 at 12:13 pm

Thank Cthulhu, and Shub-Servverath, too!

OzoneTom December 2, 2012 at 12:15 pm

My prayers and small-animal sacrifices have been answered!

SigDeFlyinMonky December 2, 2012 at 12:39 pm

If you think these chicken heads and blood are going to clean themselves up you are sadly mistaken. Now get in here!

WhatTheHeck December 2, 2012 at 4:19 pm

Just who or what, is the god of the internets? Thor? He knows a thing or three about electricity. We need to offer him a virgin.

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 4:38 pm

The God of the Internets is R. Daneel Olivaw.
Problem is, there's no Virgins 'round these parts. I'd suggest going over to The Corner or Redstate.

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 12:22 pm

ia! ia! R'lyeh fhtagn!

Mumbletypeg December 2, 2012 at 12:13 pm

Upon arriving now and noticing the time stamp says 11:00 which was an hour ago, I wonder if the server is delivering to all viewers on an equal opportunity or if some are still out of reach.
I blame those pesky rapture-tasking, human error-vandalizing ANGELS Dok mentioned, above.

weejee December 2, 2012 at 12:17 pm

Maybe the Dok, from Potatoeland & mostly Mountain Time, thought he was in Chicago?

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 12:21 pm

I blame These Angels.

Nobody blink.

weejee December 2, 2012 at 12:46 pm

Til quarkdom come.

kittensdontlie December 2, 2012 at 12:35 pm

Why can't all angels be as wonderful as Charley's.

glasspusher December 2, 2012 at 12:14 pm

Put on your hat and shoes, creature! We're going out to celebrate!

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 12:17 pm

WOOHOO! A round of Fish for everyone!

RadioRaheem December 2, 2012 at 12:44 pm

INVERTEBRATE LIBEL!

Mumbletypeg December 2, 2012 at 1:19 pm

I'm tellin' Santa!

No srsly. I'm telling him I want need this.

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 1:24 pm

Invertebrate Liberal Media!

BadKitty904 December 2, 2012 at 12:45 pm

That's a lotta shoes.

Doktor Zoom December 2, 2012 at 1:29 pm

Is that like ponification?

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 1:48 pm

Yes! It's a subset of Cephaloponyification.

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 2:17 pm

Oh. My.

Dr. Whooves!

glasspusher December 2, 2012 at 12:10 pm

I'm hardly surprised by this. These are people who have no trouble picking and choosing stuff from their own contradictory "scripture", which itself was rather arbitrarily put together. That they pick and choose which parts of science they like, while disregarding the stuff that assails their fragile worldview, is consistent with the way they live the rest of their lives.

memzilla December 2, 2012 at 12:10 pm

Looks like all the Rethuglicans on the House Science and Technology Committee take a pledge to this piece of crap, too.

glasspusher December 2, 2012 at 12:24 pm

If those fuckwits can get on that committee, my five foot six white ass will have no trouble gaining admittance to the "Reverse Slam Dunk Association"

BadKitty904 December 2, 2012 at 12:46 pm

So, you, too, are vertically challenged?

glasspusher December 2, 2012 at 12:56 pm

Let me tell you, pal: When I'm flying coach, I don't want to be a millimeter taller than I am right now!Let's just say I'm big where it matters…

BadKitty904 December 2, 2012 at 1:03 pm

Hey, same here!

Plus my bf's 6'1", so he can reach anything I need on top shelves… ;0)

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 12:15 pm

The concept of Gnosis that I subscribe to is Hip Gnosis

Mumbletypeg December 2, 2012 at 12:22 pm

Burning Man may only come once a year, but give me that album cover artwork (the right side) on a silkscreened T shirt and I'll be satisfied any day.

(Oh the album's contents are supposed to be pretty good too? I hadn't given it much thought.. I just always loved that image)

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 12:38 pm

One of my Faves. Title song: Wish You Were Here

weejee December 2, 2012 at 12:52 pm

Shine on you crazy diamond superconducting quantum interference device.

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 1:16 pm

Sometimes, a Cigar is just a Cigar Ploy to get at all of your Royalties.

Barrelhse December 2, 2012 at 8:16 pm

I like those potato gnoches.

YouFail4eva December 2, 2012 at 12:15 pm

Is it over? Is it safe to get in the water yet? Dear god, the poor children reading these books and accepting this as knowledge are so screwed when they grow up.

Nah, who am I kidding, they'll end up "graduating" from Liberty University and working in some right-wing think tank.

Progress!

glasspusher December 2, 2012 at 12:25 pm

Yep, like my niece and her new hubby. I haz a sad.

BadKitty904 December 2, 2012 at 12:49 pm

What aggravates me is my tax dollars are being used to pay for this rubbish and to deliberately twist and corrupt young minds – fake textbooks used by fake schools.

memzilla December 2, 2012 at 12:17 pm

Yeah, I really want to be riding in a jet plane that was designed by somebody who believes everything in this "textbook."

BadKitty904 December 2, 2012 at 12:51 pm

I can't imagine anyone taught out of this textbook ever developing the intelligence that would get them a job designing jet planes.

"An ignorant populace is an easily controlled populace."

schvitzatura December 2, 2012 at 3:09 pm

What about my super friendly, devout LDS male head of household neighbor, with six kids, who is a payload engineer at a major satellite systems company?

I guess we are all "riding" on some of a bit of his handiwork, as part of a team that no doubt consists of bloody hindoos, musselmen, mackerel snappers, assorted mainline Orangemen, and a few closeted "ayyy-gnostics"/ayyy-theists"…fwiw.

redarmyzombie December 2, 2012 at 8:03 pm

Yes, but does he believe science is the work of the devil?

Tundra Grifter December 2, 2012 at 12:18 pm

"10 Comments – No Views." Sounds about right!

Welcome back! I came over for some Sunday morning snark and was – again – FORBIDDEN! Wow. Sounds risque – like an adults only Dance of the Seven Veils ("Call me at number six" – Bob Hope).

I felt left out…

kittensdontlie December 2, 2012 at 12:46 pm

Not everyone can handle Sunday morning gnostical content. Comment accreditations must be checked before entry is guaranteed..

not that Dewey December 2, 2012 at 12:47 pm

You can't trust small-number statistics. They are of the devil.

shelwood46 December 2, 2012 at 11:45 pm

I'm on vacation and thought my hotel was blocking Wonkette like it was porn or something. Except no hotel would block porn, right?

Come here a minute December 2, 2012 at 12:19 pm

Rest assured that all science-based legislation will be filibustered vigilantly.

Doktor Zoom December 2, 2012 at 3:43 pm

You may be in the market for one of these. Unless, of course, you're an Argonaut.

boskolives December 2, 2012 at 12:23 pm

That's only fair, since all religion is clearly science based, huh?
Look how the religious science of numbers worked so well for Romney's campaign.
Too soon?

kittensdontlie December 2, 2012 at 12:24 pm

Any science that fails to account for the possibility that angels might be jumping down on the scales…

Quantum mechanics–the study of the randomization of atomic events, can thus be discarded into the dustbin of pseudoscience history. Mystery solved!! Thanks Dok.

Esteev November 27, 2012 at 10:31 am

I think Ian listens to too much rap.

glasspusher December 2, 2012 at 12:32 pm

If angels are bosons, one could get an infinite amount of them on the head of a pin?

memzilla December 2, 2012 at 12:40 pm

Does it (ahem) matter?

glasspusher December 2, 2012 at 12:55 pm

Let us assume an angel is a perfect sphere…

eggsacklywright December 2, 2012 at 1:03 pm

And that rationalists wear sombreros.

Biel_ze_Bubba December 3, 2012 at 1:23 am

No, but if you cool 'em way down, you can get 'em all into the same state.
I think it's Utah.

glasspusher December 2, 2012 at 12:25 pm

All these comments and no views? I can't bear to look, either!

weejee December 2, 2012 at 12:26 pm

So I'm a dirt farmer who spent too much time in school? An ag-gnositic?

glasspusher December 2, 2012 at 12:31 pm

Well played. Cook College, Rutgers Univ alum here. Aggies represent!

Barrelhse December 2, 2012 at 8:23 pm
glasspusher December 2, 2012 at 12:26 pm

The only faith based science that should be allowed is praying for a good grade after you've taken the final exam in a science class.

christianmuslin December 2, 2012 at 12:29 pm

When are we reviewing the homeschooling biology book, particularly the chapter(s) on reproductive biology? I'm asking for a friend.

glasspusher December 2, 2012 at 12:31 pm

I hear Bristol got an 'A' in that…

BadKitty904 December 2, 2012 at 12:53 pm

She was conscientious about "doing" her homework.

glasspusher December 2, 2012 at 12:57 pm

Another long, hard night with her friend Levi helping her…

eggsacklywright December 2, 2012 at 1:10 pm

Zygote!

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 1:18 pm

Blastula Bingo!

Biel_ze_Bubba December 3, 2012 at 1:25 am

Another night with her long, hard friend Levi helping her…

FIFY

glasspusher December 2, 2012 at 12:29 pm

The sun is a miasma of incandescent plasma.

eggsacklywright December 2, 2012 at 1:04 pm

Is that an Al Jolson tune?

BadKitty904 December 2, 2012 at 1:12 pm

And can you dance to it?

smokefilledroommate December 2, 2012 at 3:32 pm

as long as you wear a prosthetic forehead on your real head.

thebeatgoeson December 2, 2012 at 3:39 pm

and purple toupee and gold lamé will turn your brain around

Negropolis December 2, 2012 at 11:32 pm

Well, if you can't dance to it, it ain't no Al Jolson tune. QED

memzilla December 2, 2012 at 12:30 pm

So, if I understand correctly:

Scientific Method = Jeebus.
Non-scientific Method = No Jeebus.
Ascientific Method = Who's Jeebus?
Pseudoscientific Method = Wasn't that Jeebus?

glasspusher December 2, 2012 at 12:37 pm

also:
Quasi-scientific method: That's kind of like Jeebus.

An Asexual Ungulate November 27, 2012 at 10:08 am

It takes some real balls to post publicly as "Manboobz".

Although it might explain his difficulty in getting even women of ill repute to sleep with him.

eggsacklywright December 2, 2012 at 1:05 pm

See: Quasi at the Quackadero.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH7LcVNusQE

RadioRaheem December 2, 2012 at 12:35 pm

Jesus was so busy with his parlor trick miracles and healing the sick that he forgot to mention the world is round and germ theory.

glasspusher December 2, 2012 at 12:35 pm

To summarize:

Science that allows our military to blow our enemies to tiny bits (in thine mercy):Good

Science that could assail or make us question the Jeebus, or our fucked up interpretation of his philosophies: Bad

ttommyunger December 2, 2012 at 12:42 pm

Sew minny werdz. Who do you think yer readership iz, intelleckshuals?

redarmyzombie December 2, 2012 at 8:07 pm

Jaded liberal cynicists with too much time on their hands, as it turns out…

ttommyunger December 2, 2012 at 10:54 pm

“Jaded liberal cynicists” – Check, even though that last one isn't really a word. Too much time…..never; and I'm retired, WTF?

redarmyzombie December 3, 2012 at 2:59 am

One refers to one's self as a point of reference, sir. I AM a jaded liberal cynic with too much time on his hands!

(and too lazy to look up the dictionary, apparently. My apologies).

EDIT: AND it isn't that I have too much time on my hands as it is a pathological need to procrastinate…

Sorry, I have the flu AND I'm overhyped on caffeine, is it showing much?

ttommyunger December 3, 2012 at 7:48 am

I find fapping sufficient to fill what few free minutes I find available; always have. My imagination puts me in “touch” with a higher class of 'tang, you see. 'Becca and Barb come to mind, although Lizzie slips in from time to time. Just trying to help. Sorry for the curt initial reply; I suspected you were a troll.

OkieDokieDog December 2, 2012 at 12:44 pm

RE: Harry Potter – there is a local morning show hostess here that wouldn't touch a Harry Potter book because… evil cooties? Dunno, probably. Anyway, she got breast cancer and prayed away the cancer (along with the help of chemo). Praise Jeebus!

ManchuCandidate December 2, 2012 at 12:44 pm

This is much like the saga of Adam and Eve (or Steve), the snake is science and the fruit of knowledge is an Apple iwhateverthefuck.

The problem is that Adam and (St)eve have eaten the Apple (metaphorically not literally as the heavy metals, plastics and rare earths are not healthy) and continue to feast on said tree of knowledge without recognizing that the Apples are made from the very sciences these morans want to deny. Either accept it or shut up and become like the Amish.

Negropolis December 2, 2012 at 11:34 pm

Damn Adam and Eve. Couldn't they have just remained blissfully stupid like the Good Lord intended?! But, no, they wanted to learn shit, espcially that uppity broad.

I've always found the Garden story offensive. Theologians try and argue that it wasn't their want of knowledge but their disobediance that sealed their fate, but that's kind of like saying that the Civil War wasn't about slavery, but about states' rights (to continue slavery). I know that the Garden story is a clever allusion to the transformation from a pastoral hunter-gatherer culture to one of agriculture, but what a fucked up way to present agriculture…as the result of a curse.

Tommy1733 December 2, 2012 at 12:44 pm

Doktor Zoom, I appreciate that you are a witty individual and that you do your best to make these "Sundays With The Cnristianists" entertaining, but I find the whole premise of Bible-based education inflicted on children to be so deeply disgusting it just makes me angry. But please keep these columns coming,m as I feel it is my unpleasant duty to read exactly what it is that these vermin are damaging their children with, which also damages my children because now my kids will have to expend energy dealing with kids who have been put through years of abusive education. Every page from these books is a sad commentary on humanity. I'll try to laugh, Ha ha. Ha. Now I sound like Mitt Romney laughing. HAhahahaha.

tessiee December 2, 2012 at 6:46 pm

"I find the whole premise of Bible-based education inflicted on children to be so deeply disgusting it just makes me angry."

At least when pedophiles harm children for life, it's condemned.

not that Dewey December 2, 2012 at 12:50 pm

If that's how they feel about Positivism and Empricism, how must they feel about [gasp] Pragmaticism????

Doktor Zoom December 2, 2012 at 3:45 pm

That's next week.

not that Dewey December 2, 2012 at 4:21 pm

You've been saying that for three weeks. Next week never comes.

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 4:03 pm

Rampant, unprotected Philosophising can get you Pragmatic. If you do get Pragmatic, however it is a Gift from God and you should just accept it.

not that Dewey December 2, 2012 at 4:21 pm

If it's legitimately Pragmatic, Philosophy has a way of shutting that whole thing down.

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 4:28 pm

I understand that Todd Akin has had to change his name to Bruce.

not that Dewey December 2, 2012 at 4:35 pm

Awww, spit!

Goonemeritus December 2, 2012 at 12:52 pm

I have worked with any number of scientists who believe in God. I have never met a scientist who didn’t believe in evolution. Fundamentalism seems incompatible with the professional pursuit of science.

billy_reuben December 3, 2012 at 9:02 am

I'm grateful to be a practicing scientist, and to have a profession where superstitious bullshit is treated as a liability. I've known a few engineers that have been creationists; they generally seem to manage with a lot of compartmentalization.

not that Dewey December 2, 2012 at 12:53 pm

Also, didn't Bill O'Reilly just tell us that Christianity is a Philosophy? And now these Christianist Philosophers are telling us to distrust Philosophy? What are we supposed to do — not think at all?

smokefilledroommate December 2, 2012 at 1:02 pm

Yes.

not that Dewey December 2, 2012 at 1:04 pm

What a relief.

eggsacklywright December 2, 2012 at 1:06 pm

Bingo!

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 1:13 pm

Did you not get the Memo?

BadKitty904 December 2, 2012 at 1:15 pm

Yup, pretty much.

not that Dewey December 2, 2012 at 1:20 pm

So, we're all in agreement, then.

Wile E. Quixote December 3, 2012 at 2:39 am

Yes, you're not supposed to think at all, especially standing up, because that might lead to dancing!

VinnyThePooh December 2, 2012 at 12:56 pm

Nobody explained to the gullible Christians that Jesus the Great's magic was just an act.

Biel_ze_Bubba December 3, 2012 at 1:53 am
smokefilledroommate December 2, 2012 at 12:59 pm

Fracking is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.

poorgradstudent December 2, 2012 at 1:05 pm

You know, I would rail against the book as a whole, but I'm at the point where a wingnut history that blames everything on the 1700s instead of on the 1960s is almost refreshing to me. "Aww, you're ridiculously wrong but you really did try to reach pretty far back, so here's a cookie."

BadKitty904 December 2, 2012 at 1:16 pm

"Bless their hearts"…

PubOption December 2, 2012 at 1:15 pm

Does the book consider demonic possession as an alternative to mental illness?

WABishop December 2, 2012 at 2:56 pm

Nothing like telling the mentally ill to just listen to the voice of God in their head.

WhatTheHeck December 2, 2012 at 1:18 pm

Three of the greatest minds in the history of humankind: Darwin, Freud and Einstein are debunked in favor of superstitious fables.
This is expected, based on how stupid humans are. So sit back, have a drink and accept there are morons amongst us.

Doktor Zoom December 2, 2012 at 3:46 pm

Strangely enough, these goofballs are OK with Einstein, although it appears they haven't really thought through the implications of the speed of light being a constant…

WhatTheHeck December 2, 2012 at 4:12 pm

So what you”re saying Dok, is they are light years away from wrapping their heads around the concept of string theory.

Tangled sin tax December 2, 2012 at 4:39 pm

As are many of us: http://xkcd.com/397/

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 4:13 pm

I've always found it odd that the Christianist Young Earthers put so much time and energy into "debunking" Geology and principles of Evolution and totally ignore modern particle physics, Cosmology, the Hubble and Kepler space telescopes and all the ground based optical and radio telescopes.

People and machines providing photos and experimental proofs that the Universe is over 13 Billion years old is really throwing the ol' Spanner in the Works of Creation Theory.

I just think they don't understand it enough to feel threatened. The way things are going, though, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find a Flat-Earth plank in the 2016 Republican Party Presidential platform.

Doktor Zoom December 2, 2012 at 7:51 pm

They tend to handwave particle physics away altogether, because while the average person can grasp evolution, and possibly have their faith harmed by it, modern physics makes everyone's heads swim, so it can't possibly be real. Or something.

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 8:18 pm

Agreed. Even people with Physics and Math training get wigged out by these concepts. What I'd like to know is how the Christianists rationalize away photographs of objects from 13 Billion Years Ago?

Do they think that:

* Scientists are Lying to them to to test their Faith
* God is Lying to them, to test their Faith
* Satan is Lying to them, to test their Faith
*The Government is Lying to them, because One World Socialism
* It's all a Photoshop Prank
* Astronomy is the work of the Devil.

All Of The Above?

gullywompr December 2, 2012 at 8:22 pm

They tend to stop at Einstein, but even there they seem unable to distinguish relativity from relativism. And it has something to do with abortion.

JustPixelz December 2, 2012 at 1:21 pm

"…but were really “science falsely so called” (1 Tim. 6:20)."

The Timothy 6:20 passage they cite is often translated more like "Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge". That seems to be the only biblical passage the wingers actually embrace. Meanwhile direct instructions from Jesus to help the poor, etc are routinely ignored.

smokefilledroommate December 2, 2012 at 1:59 pm

I knew 1 Tim. He always seemed to hang around two hours earlier, though.

PubOption December 2, 2012 at 2:09 pm

I know of 2 Tim's in this area, they are both alcoholics.

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 2:25 pm

I knew a Tim, once.

PubOption December 2, 2012 at 2:08 pm

Even Jesus is doing the head-tilted-to-one-side pose.

natl_[redacted]_cmdr December 2, 2012 at 2:35 pm

I want that pillbox. In fact, I want all of these pillboxes. http://www.philosophersguild.com/Pillboxes/

valthemus December 2, 2012 at 2:39 pm

So it really is prayers and angel droppings that make polio and mumps vaccines so effective, nothing to do with organic chemistry. Huh. I suppose I should have known that. Thank you, Christianistas!

BZ1 December 2, 2012 at 2:45 pm

Why not just eliminate all the texts and just go straight to the source, the Bible. Oh, right, which bible??

redarmyzombie December 2, 2012 at 8:12 pm

All of them, Katie.

WABishop December 2, 2012 at 2:53 pm

It never ceases to amaze me how elusive and un-obvious Absolute Truth is.

Ayn_Ryan December 2, 2012 at 3:03 pm

Goddamnit! I've been promised Bertrand Russell for two weeks in a row. Now, where the fuck is he?

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 3:29 pm

He's still Dead.

Tangled sin tax December 2, 2012 at 4:45 pm

He's halfway to Mars getting a cuppa tea. BRB.

GregComlish December 2, 2012 at 3:34 pm

Gnosticism has some pretty appealing concepts, BTW. Gnostics accept the Abrahamic God as the creator of the world, but they do not believe he is perfect or all-knowing or even particularly honest. Gnostics believe YHWH is basically just a poser who is trying to imitate perfection. That's why bad things happen to good people: God's a fuck-up. And in the inspired works God tells people that he is perfect because he's also a bullshitter.

That's the real question Christians need to answer. Sure, they have all sorts of reasons for insisting absolutely that God exists and that the Bible is his word, but how do you know you can believe him? You just always believe him about everything because he tells you that he's honest? How do you know he isn't lying?

Barrelhse December 2, 2012 at 8:31 pm

He sold me a used car.

decentcitizen December 2, 2012 at 4:05 pm

That's it. I'm throwing out all my (false) medication.

not that Dewey December 2, 2012 at 4:37 pm

What kind of anachronistic, Back-to-the-Future bible references 19th and 20th century philosophy?

bikerlaureate December 2, 2012 at 4:54 pm

True science follows God’s command to “subdue the earth and have dominion over it” (Gen. 1:27-28), rather than trying to subdue mankind with false philosophies.

The duty to subdue mankind falls to… true religion ?

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 5:25 pm

True Religion it is!

fishwharf December 2, 2012 at 6:03 pm

I was lost until this woman led me to Jesus. http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/08

Doktor Zoom December 2, 2012 at 7:46 pm

She's one of the few wingnuts that even Freepers find a little unhinged.

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 8:23 pm

Happiness is a Pink Gun (Bang Bang, Shoot Shoot)

tessiee December 2, 2012 at 6:53 pm

A Jeebus world history book, and nothing about how blah history never happened? I haz a disappoint.

Slim_Pickins December 2, 2012 at 7:22 pm

I was a chemist in the central research department of a large company. I was once given the assignment of sorting through the research of a colleague who prayed over his experiments. Needless to say, everyone of his important experiments worked, but most couldn't be repeated. His research reports did not reveal his "methodology", but he would always report a few "surprising results," results that accomplished an important objective in the nick of time. He left shortly after to return to the christian school he'd graduated from.

Schmegeg December 2, 2012 at 7:49 pm

Every week, another dose of these people, another laugh, some good feelings. Now, after all these weeks, I am sort of understanding, internalizing, this Jesus character. I see a Bible in a motel room, and get a smile. Drive past a Megachurch and want to go in and visit. Maybe vote for Huckabee next time around. These thoughts make me feel Good.

SKINNER!

redarmyzombie December 2, 2012 at 8:32 pm

Snark off for the moment, I actually have a friend who was raised in one of those prayer healing cults who believed god would heal everyone who believed hard enough. To this day, she still suffers complications from diseases that weren't treated when she was a child.

These people can go fuck themselves with a soldering iron.
(you may proceed with you scheduled snarking)

HouseOfTheBlueLights December 2, 2012 at 9:44 pm

"Freud’s liberal claims denied the Biblical teachings that man is born with a sinful nature and is in need of salvation through Jesus Christ."

So that wasn't his Jewish parents denying the whole Christ thing? Thanks for clearing that up.

mavenmaven December 2, 2012 at 11:27 pm

liberal is almost always a codeword for Jew in that world.

Negropolis December 2, 2012 at 11:04 pm

But we seldom heard that entire professional fields were founded on heresy.

Well, Catholicism is literally using science to search for extra-terrestrial life. I mean, they had a tough go at science not that long ago, but I guess they just said that if they couldn't beat it, they'd just join it.

True science follows God’s command to “subdue the earth and have dominion over it”

And, of course, it always comes back to fascist-flavored Biblical teachings. Of course.

anteater December 2, 2012 at 11:49 pm

That's all nice but where are we stoning the whore?

Wile E. Quixote December 3, 2012 at 2:41 am

These people fucking suck.

sullivanst December 3, 2012 at 8:21 am

And it’s only the King James version that translates gnosis as “science” here; almost all other Bibles, and even the KJV in 28 other instances of gnosis, translate it as “knowledge.”

I find it interesting that a bunch of people who are so insistent that the Bible is the unerring word of God, kept perfect through 2000 years (during most of which time it was copied by hand) by divine inspiration, are also absolute fetishists for the KJV, with all its dubious and sometimes obviously wrong translations.

Your Doktor Zoom was raised Catholic, so sin was, of course, everywhere. But we seldom heard that entire professional fields were founded on heresy.

Well, we all know the entire Catholic church is now heresy, according to these nuts. I wonder if this viewpoint has anything to do with Pope Leo XIII's relative embrace of science?

Negropolis December 3, 2012 at 9:43 am

The Evangelicals love the authoritarianism inherent in the translation of the KJV.

Chow Yun Flat December 3, 2012 at 8:34 am

psychoanalysis, which says that subconscious physical drives or irrational fears determine a man’s actions

Unlike religion, which states that conscious beliefs or irrational fears determine…

Chow Yun Flat December 3, 2012 at 8:38 am

Someone should tell these fundies that "scare" quotes aren't very "scary" when they are used in every sentence.

DahBoner December 3, 2012 at 10:40 am

The Hebrew people who wrote the Bible and who believed a 14 Billion year old universe is only 6000 years old and a round earth has "four corners" are FUCKING GENIUSES

zappadoo76 December 3, 2012 at 2:51 pm

"According to Comte, all knowledge was confined to what could be observed only by the human senses…."

And what about the proposition that all knowledge is confined to what can be observed by the senses? Can this "fact" be observed by the senses? And if not, is it knowledge?

See? Christianists aren't wrong about everything. Positivism sucks. Disclaimer: I do not mean to disparage the overall suckitude of Christianism.

ManchuCandidate November 27, 2012 at 10:29 am

Having met more than a few of this type in my travels through various singles events as a man looking for female love, they can be easily summed up as "Too boneheaded for the women they want and too cheap to pay for hookers."

glasspusher December 2, 2012 at 1:15 pm

Excellent. Know when to delegate.My tallest gf was 5' 10″, the shortest was 5' 2″, loved them all…

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 1:25 pm

That's ridiculous and Awesome and I think I just saw my next desk lamp.

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 4:44 pm

G'day!

RadioRaheem December 2, 2012 at 4:59 pm

I <3 this too. Mesoderm is way overrated — it just gets in the way.

C_R_Eature December 2, 2012 at 7:09 pm

Continuously Circulating Cnidaria FTW!

RadioRaheem December 2, 2012 at 8:54 pm

Mortality is so nettlesome.

FeloniousMonk December 2, 2012 at 10:07 pm

Well, the nutters at AIG have an article on this. If you can find a straight answer there, you're a better man cephalopod than I am. The seem to both reject and accept the idea that God created the light already on its way. (This is an updating of Gosse's omphalos hypothesis, which explained why Adam and Eve had navels.) They also talk about the possibility that light used to travel much faster. This was apparently very popular amongst creationists a while back, but got thoroughly trashed.

bobbert December 3, 2012 at 2:03 am

Benghazi!!!!

FeloniousMonk December 2, 2012 at 10:58 pm

Oh dear. I don't know if I can type this all the way through … that link leads to AN ACCURATE QUOTE ON CONSERVAPEDIA. (Lies down for five minutes.) Laurence Tribe really did write an article in the Harvard Law Review in which he drags general relativity and quantum mechanics into the law, including a discussion of abortion law. He does say he's only using physics as a metaphor. I don't see it as a useful or even comprehensible one, but I have no legal training. The lesson I take away from this is that it's not just the wingnuts who have trouble with relativity. I suppose I should be grateful for being reminded.

bobbert December 3, 2012 at 1:09 am

I dunno. I'm a little dubious about a God that had to have his brain replaced several times.

redarmyzombie December 4, 2012 at 4:39 pm

No need to apologize, we do get those every now and again; like gonorrhea in a republican senator, if you will.

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