Terror a New One

GOP Congressman Spitty With Fury Over Susan Rice’s Benghazi ‘Lies’

What's the truth, Agent Mulder? Congressman Dana Rohrabacher (R-The Taliban) is very, VERY concerned about all the lies that the Obama Administration has been telling about Benghazi, and so to even things up, he has some lies of his own to tell! On Fox News, Rohrabacher told Greta Van Susteren that he was convinced that U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice lied like crazy about the attacks when discussing them on Sunday talk shows five days later:

“They knew within a matter of hours, if not right away, that this was an organized, armed hit job by al-Qaida, probably, but an organized, commanded effort to murder our people,” Rohrabacher charged, dismissing Rice’s assertion that “movie rage,” as the congressman put it, was the catalyst behind the attack.

“That was a lie. They knew it was lie when they said it,” the California Republican said. “When they sent out Ambassador Rice to all the talk shows, they knew that was not the truth. When you tell something that’s not the truth to the American people, especially in the middle of a crisis, they shouldn’t expect to get away with it and be forgiven.”

Oh, except that’s kind of not really what Rice said? That’s probably all right, though, since it’s on Fox, so getting something only half right is a step up for them?

As Slate’s David Weigel notes, Rice did repeat the now-disproven claim that there was a demonstration against the anti-Muslim video in Benghazi, but she didn’t say that the attack with heavy weapons was solely related to the video. Much of the argument boils down to parsing Rice’s remarks on ABC:

But our current best assessment, based on the information that we have at present, is that, in fact, what this began as, it was a spontaneous — not a premeditated — response to what had transpired in Cairo. In Cairo, as you know, a few hours earlier, there was a violent protest that was undertaken in reaction to this very offensive video that was disseminated.

We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people came to the embassy to — or to the consulate, rather, to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo. And then as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons, weapons that as you know in — in the wake of the revolution in Libya are — are quite common and accessible. And it then evolved from there.

As Weigel points out,

The question really hangs on the issue of spontaneity — and Rice, in a lawyerly way, differentiated between the “Innocence of Muslims” protest and the attack, saying that there was an “an FBI investigation that has begun and will take some time to be completed.”

Further, Rice, like pretty much everyone else at the time, was dealing with the assumption that the attack in Benghazi and the protests in Cairo were both motivated by the same thing — the video — which seemed, at the moment, to be the case. Even Mitt Romney thought so, as indicated by his statesmanlike statesment stating that the President of the United States “sympathized” with the people who attacked U.S. embassies. What a hero!

As to the notion that Rice denied that the attack was a pre-planned act of terrorism, she said no such thing. Speaking to Bob Schieffer on Face the Nation, Rice actually gave a fairly routine “non-denial denial,” which is not really all that surprising in a situation where information is still uncertain:

SCHIEFFER: But you do not agree with [the Libyan president] that this was something that had been plotted out several months ago?
RICE: We do not — we do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.
SCHIEFFER: Do you agree or disagree with him that al-Qaeda had some part in this?
RICE: Well, we’ll have to find out that out. I mean, I think it’s clear that there were extremist elements that joined in and escalated the violence. Whether they were al-Qaeda affiliates, whether they were Libyan-based extremists or al-Qaeda itself I think is one of the things we’ll have to determine.

Glenn Kessler has much more detail on all of this, comparing what Rice said with what Rice’s critics, particularly John McCain, have said that she said (or so we say).

It would appear that the huge scandal here is that the Administration may have known more about events in Benghazi than they immediately announced, although they were saying some of it right away, which is horrible because they either were confused and said they needed to find out more, or they were less confused than they let on, but misled the public by saying they were still finding out what happened. Such horrible lies. In any case, it is becoming increasingly clear that Barack Obama failed to be omniscient on Benghazi, and should therefore stop claiming to be the Messiah. INPEACH!

[Newsmax / Slate / WaPo]

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    1. actor212

      Well, no one could have forseen that. It was a failure of imagination that two nearly decade long wars would discourage volunteers from volunteering and drive tens of thousands out.

    2. FlipFlopFuck

      2002: U.S. Consulate In Karachi, Pakistan, Attacked; 10 Killed, 51 Injured
      2004: U.S. Embassy Bombed In Uzbekistan
      2004: Gunmen Stormed U.S. Consulate In Saudi Arabia
      2006: Armed Men Attacked U.S. Embassy In Syria
      2007: Grenade Launched Into U.S. Embassy In Athens
      2008: Rioters Set Fire To U.S. Embassy In Serbia
      2008: Ten People Killed In Bombings At U.S. Embassy In Yemen

  1. Oblios_Cap

    When you tell something that’s not the truth to the American people, especially in the middle of a crisis, they shouldn’t expect to get away with it and be forgiven.

    If that was true, all governments would be unforgiven all of the time.

    Obviously, he's been smoking crack again.

  2. Crank_Tango

    Romney did benghazi with mormon mujahedeen or something. It's just like nixon setting up teddy at chappaquiddick. Lotsa hard to spell words this morning, not gonna do it.

    1. Abernathy

      Luckily, you wouldn't need to be omniscient to know Republicans would take any chance they get, no matter how slight, to create a shitstorm of lies and idiocy.

    1. Dudleydidwrong

      Grantland, about the Redskins were gonna win the Stuporbowl in 2012. (Mutter, mutter..lost a fucking dollar on that one…mutter, mutter)

  3. Lascauxcaveman

    Yay, Rohrhbacher. Once you're done being a shitty congressman, you can go on to being a shitty writer of international spy thriller novels. You've already got the dust jacket photo for it.

    Oh, that's not you? Well, I guess you look more like a night stocking clerk at a WalMart anyway.

  4. Ducksworthy

    But it wasn't a crime to lie about the weapons of mass destruction so you could be a "war president" and privatize social security.

    1. HELisforHEL

      And it wasn't proof of incompetence and dangerous and deadly hubris to ignore the "BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE US' warnings the previous administration provided you.

  5. BadKitty904

    It's pointless to bring up facts, reality, etc., in dealing with these close-minded bozos. As we saw last Tuesday, they're going to believe what they are going to believe, regardless.

    "Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig."

  6. edgydrifter

    Republicans only regret that more Americans weren't killed. It's hard to have a full-blown international security freakout over such a low body count. Not that they aren't trying their best, but it's hard.

  7. Texan_Bulldog

    I miss the X-Files. Although Walnuts & his gang are way crazier than any X-Files episode. (Except maybe that one where the hillbillies kept their mother under the floor & just pulled her out to have sexy times with them. Yeah, that one was pretty out there.)

      1. Texan_Bulldog

        Asshole needs to move to Canada like he promised the first time Barry was elected. (Unless it was one of the other crazy Baldwin brothers–all I know is Alec is the only sane one.)

        1. actor212

          No, it was probably Stephen.

          A) He's not one of the brothers and

          B) Billy's been having his own personal issues and has been keeping a low profile.

          1. SorosBot

            No, Stephen Baldwin is one of the brothers; and he is a crazy fundamentalist Christian wingnut. The non-brother Baldwin is Adam, and he's also a nutty winngut; but Firefly, the first three seasons of Chuck and the last few episodes of Angel are all still great.

          2. shelwood46

            Also too, it's Daniel with the personal problems and keeping a low profile. Billy's fine and still acting.

  8. HRH_Maddie

    No one on the right has dealt with Benghazi in any kind of rational, fact-based way. This is taken from TPM and succinctly states how corrosive and dangerous the Fox News "investigation" actually is:
    "It’s kind of a scandal that means whatever its proponents want it to mean: failure to secure the consulate, attempts to cover up nature of attack, attempts to downplay its significance, failure to call it terror. Related but distinct charges that get refreshed each day by people who know there’s no there there. Frankly it makes me nervous. The made-up scandals are hardest to resolve and most likely to expand in scope."

  9. Abernathy

    "When you tell something that’s not the truth to the American people, especially in the middle of a crisis, they shouldn’t expect to get away with it and be forgiven."

    Bushes Sr. & Jr., Cheney, Condi, and Reagan beg to disagree.

  10. docterry6973

    Lying about Iraq and causing the death of hundreds of thousands of people and the waste of billions of dollars is not nearly as bad as saying that we are not sure if the Benghazi attackers were Libyan anti-American militias or al-Qaeda sympathizers or al-Qaeda itself. Naturally Obama must be impeached.

    The GOP hates the black man in the white house so much that they won't stop making him a one term president even after he wins a second term.

    Well, GOP, go ahead. Scream and rant and rave and hold the nation hostage again. The people won't support you.

    1. HELisforHEL

      It's amazing how echo-y their echo chamber is. You would think that perhaps, possibly, maybe, one of them would actually determine that their ideology is not what the people want. But silly me, expecting reflection from this gang that can't shoot straight.
      It's always 'blame the other guy' with them, especially if 'the other guy' sports a vagina. Or is Of A Darker Pigmentation.
      I just wish the news outlets would actually call them on their bullshit and stop pandering in order to appear 'fair'. Did they not watch the 2nd debate and witness Candy Crowley stopping the Rmoney Lie-train in its tracks? IT CAN BE DONE.

  11. Hammiepants

    But Grandpa "Shouty Pantsload" McCain said this was the greatest atrocity in the history of Amurrica! And he got his ass kicked by the Cong, he knows from atrocity! #um911anyone?

  12. Ground Zero Mostel

    If only there were some way of going back in time and viewing what Rice actually said, some kind of magical machine that would allow us to see and hear exactly what she told the reporter.

    1. bobbert

      I saw the asshole on AC360 (a rarity for me, because I'm in a hotel tonite), and he must have used the phrase "I know, because I worked in the White House" a half dozen times. Fuck that scabby piece of fuck.

  13. Slim_Pickins

    I remember being skeptical of claims that the Iraqis had MWDs, but then Secretary Powell went to the UN and presented the evidence, not like the bold-faced lies of the Obummer administration.

  14. SayItWithWookies

    Gee, Mitt and the rest of the GOP — maybe you better wait to see if a scandal is actually happening before you jump on whatever comes over the news feed next and start yelling that it's a scandal. Of course you were running out of time and your candidate sucked ass and wasn't getting any better — but that's just politics, right? You know, making shit up that you know nothing about?

    And Rove and all the rest of the pundits were whining about how the people weren't paying attention to their Benghazi nonsense — maybe they were paying attention, and Mitt lost support because he was so cravenly opportunistic over absolutely nothing. Ever think of that, smartasses?

    1. FlownOver

      Not how it works. The wingturds just need a self-proclaimed "scandal" at all timers, and it only needs to be something their own Useful Idiots™ will believe. It's the current incarnation of the five minutes' hate.

    1. boskolives

      If you think Rohrbacher sounds foreign, try the always popular "Issa". Then try to get him to produce an original (U.S., not Lebanon) birth certificate for himself.

  15. Goonemeritus

    Fuck it, if I were Obama I would nominate the Dalai Lama for Secretary of Defense and Rachel Maddow for State.

  16. Joshua Norton

    Hey Wingnuts. Check this out:

    "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US"

    Why don't you start with THAT investigation into why it was never acted on? Then you may be able to lend some kind of credence to your fabricated hissy fits.

  17. SorosBot

    "When they sent out Ambassador Rice to all the talk shows, they knew that was not the truth"

    No, that is not true. Not only is Rohrabacher lying, he's lying to accuse the administration of lying, lying about lying, making him a big fat lying liar.

  18. Tommmcatt_Again

    I'm still having trouble grasping what the issue is, here. Let's say the worst is true, that the president knew it was Al Quieda but chose to tell the people it was a spontainious riot because… and this is where I run out of steam; what is the benifit to the president to tell that particular lie? Only in wingnuttia, where the president is considered a kind of midevil devil, does that make sense – Obama lied not because it had any kind of upside for him, but because he is unredeemably evil and lies are part of his nature.

    The blind hatred and small-minded behavior of the right somehow manages to be both absurd and obscene at the same time, kind of like I imagine scat porn starring circus clowns would be. As usual.

    1. HELisforHEL

      So true. And I don't get why, seeing as he ordered the strike on Bin Laden, they continue to think Obama is somehow a secret muslin!!1!! out to destroy our country with his secret Al Qadea ways.

      1. Not_Mother

        I don't get why, seeing as he ordered the strike on Bin Laden, they continue to think Obama is somehow a secret muslin!!1!! out to destroy our country with his secret Al Qadea ways.

        I didn't get that at first until the FWD: FWD: FWD FWD: wingnut relative emails started showing up to explain it all. See, Bronco's got that Muslin gene thing going on no matter how much pork he eats or how many beers he pounds. This is Barack HUSSEIN Obama here. So, he's for the muslin, and agin merka, natch. So, he'd rather see merkin christians take the fall for pissing off the muslin hordes with their (free speech!1!) videos as he gleefully watched our diplomats and special forces die on his LIVE FEED from Benghazi! And Hillary? Just as bad cos her name's Clinton, therefore liar and murderess (Vince Foster.)

        Makes perfect sense, no?

    2. greenloner

      "both absurd and obscene at the same time, kind of like I imagine scat porn starring circus clowns would be" Wonderful characterization of their shtick

  19. Mumbletypeg

    In the time it took this new post to load, I sidebar-clicked in order to:

    – vet and up-arrow a number of wonkville posts
    – enroll in evangelical Regent U's online instruction, in the spirit of its pleasant-valley-alumnus Governor Bob McDonnell
    – Found "What Color Is Your Pair Of Boobies?" coloring book too sad for words, unless two-dimensional crayola time-wasting is your idea of a substiute for p()rn in its many readymade palettes and dimensions online

  20. Chow Yun Flat

    the Administration may have known more about events in Benghazi than they immediately announced

    The real scandal is that they didn't immediately privilege the most extreme and unlikely speculations by calling a press conference and announcing that they were true.

  21. JustPixelz

    When you tell something that’s not the truth to the American people, especially in the middle of a crisis, they shouldn’t expect to get away with it and be forgiven.

    Rice was pretty fast — getting on those Sunday shows in the middle of an attack the previous Tuesday.

  22. paris biltong

    The good things about US politics is that you can stay away for several months and when you come back things are still at the same cretinous level. Like any good soap opera, even if you miss several episodes, it's easy to catch up.

  23. SorosBot

    Really, this is an even more blatant and shameless Republican attempt to turn something innocuous into a scandal based on absolutely nothing than even Whitewater. Or the suicide of Vince Foster, once again reprehensibly trying to make political attacks based on tragic deaths. This is vile.

  24. weejee

    It was John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Sarah Palin who conducted the Benghazi attack wearing burqas and riding on flying pigs. If we want a conspiracy, let's get realz.

  25. Not_So_Much

    They're bound and determined to skull-fuck this thing right into the ground. Reminds me of Slim Pickens a-whoopin and a-hollerin' on the bomb.

  26. CommieLibunatic

    What was this post about? I saw "Dana Rohrabacher" and immediately started barking like a rabid dog.

  27. MonkeyMotion

    Yeah, sure. Likely Barry Bamz received a Presidential Daily Briefing entitled Al Queda determined to strike consulate in Benghazi, which he then summarily dismissed with an "OK — now you covered your ass…" and then when on vacation to cut brush at some dumb ranch in Texas. Cuz that really pisses off Republicans.

    Right Dana?

  28. gullywompr

    Too bad Congressman Spitty is all irrelevant and stuff – all Rice needs is a simple majority in the Senate, and we haz that. House members are kindly invited to return to the work of passing legislation in service of US Americans.

    1. BadKitty904

      I think that's EXACTLY why these un-American cretins are foaming at the mouth. They're irrelevant, they know it, and it makes them even CRAZY (er)…

  29. poorgradstudent

    By this point I have nothing more coherent or snarky to say about this than "OMFG just STFU about Benghazi!!!11!!!"

  30. poorgradstudent

    Well, okay, one more thing: I am *this* close to yelling at my conservative friend on Twitter that, even if Obama (somehow, someway) dropped the ball on Benghazi, then by the same standard shouldn't Bush be in jail for 9/11?

    1. SuspectedDemocrat

      According to Facebook friends I went to school with, who decided to stay in the small town where we grew up and become wingnuts instead going out and living in other parts of the world, it all comes down to who loves America more, and who posts the most "support our troops" pictures on Facebook.

  31. TribecaMike

    It's just like that old Ferlin Husky song about the guy who's drinking in a honky tonk and trying to figure out if his wife and kids left him because of his drinking or if his drinking made him leave his wife and kids.

  32. GoodDogThor

    STFU, Dana.

    For rebuttal, see the entire Rmoney campaign, 2012. His prevarication subroutine was apparently in an infinite loop.

  33. rickmaci

    OK fellow snarkers. Listen up. We need to stop legitimizing this BS by trying to explain why they are wrong and instead crush the RepubliCons so they will not continue with it. This "Benghazi" meme is nothing less than a birth certificate type distraction for the second term. They can't beat BHO at the polls so they will again try to keep him from governing by ginning up phony controversy that distracts from their real agenda, which is to prevent the tax reforms and budget realignments proposed by the President. We need to call it for what it is and the President needs to go back out to the American public that just voted for him and rally them again to rise up and protest the continuing bullshit. And we need to support him by banging on every door in DC, actual and virtual, and tell these MF'ers to get to work on the real American Agenda for the 21st Century that we again voted to implement with this President. The President tried to ride out these distractions in his first term and instead he was totally hamstrung. That must not happen again. Peace out.

  34. ibwilliamsi

    Why do we need hearings? They already KNOW that everything was a lie, and it's all O-bummerz fault. Strap an empty chair to a tree and call it "good".

  35. ttommyunger

    The real irony: George Tenant, HEAD of the CIA got it totally wrong with his "slam dunk" report that Iraq had WMD which helped propel us into war. What did his "lie" get him? The highest civilian award attainable, presented personally by George W. Bush. Did not hear from Congresswoman Dana on that one.

  36. Anne_Athema

    Funny how these dicks assign blame to the White House when it was their shitty-ass party who, to date, has cut over $400 million dollars from embassy security funding in '11 & '12.
    Let's as Ryan how he can criticize OHJB about embassy security when he proposed evn more drastic cuts in the next two years.
    These fuckers need to be pilloried, and force-fed feces until they choke.

  37. barto

    Let's just accept that no matter what the Nobama administration does the refrain from the GOPers will ALWAYS be

    "Yer doin' it WRONG!"

  38. OneYieldRegular

    And yet not a word about Darrell Issa's shameful compromising of the safety of CIA personnel who first responded to the attack.

  39. valthemus

    With the administration all knotted up and spending time and money over phony Benghazi folderol, they can't make us do Obamacare, expand the gubmint or collect taxes! Genius!! How ever did the GOP lose the last election with such mighty, big brains??

  40. Esteev

    Lookie hear, Libtards. It is painfully obvious that Obama knew what was going on because he said he didn't. I assume that you all know that he's the AntiChristo; do you really think Lucifer is going to tell the truth?! I mean, let's look at the facts — because you Libtards seem to love those so much. Lemme break it down:

    1. A group of people (we all assume turrusts because all Muslins want us dead. That's why I check under my bed every night before bed) attacked the consulate
    2. There was no communication with the consulate besides some very vague but certainly incriminating emails
    3. CIA ninjas were at the compound in 25 minutes — the CIA!
    4. While gathering all the facts, Obama and his minions ranted and raved about "possible" reasons for the attack.
    5. Obama is reelected because of this lying
    7. INPEACHment is the only option because Tyranny and/or a moderate tax hike on jerb creators

    1. TribecaMike

      A modest refutation of your points:

      1. According to Margaret Thatcher, there is no such thing as "society," which nullifies any such construct as "a group of people." Why do you hate Brit blowhards with Alzheimer's?
      2. Buildings have feelings too. Just ask Frank Gehry and those who are forced to look at his buildings.
      3. As much as I hate to admit it, I agree with Ron Paul that every citizen has a right to bear glockenspiels (though I would draw the line at owning at most thirty glockenspiels. That's just plain sick).
      4. [This space intentionally left blank.]
      5. Ibid.
      7. Why is it called the CHESapeake Bay when you can't possibly play chess on water, particularly during high tide? No wonder there's an oyster crisis — oysters prefer the gentlemanly game of checkers.

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