TWEETING YOUR HOUSE TO PIECES  10:40 am November 15, 2012

Israel Having Time Of Its Life Live-Tweeting Assault on Gaza

by Rich Abdill

Killer tweets.Maybe Israel doesn’t have a choice but to explode chunks of the Gaza Strip, because Hamas has been shooting rockets into Israel. And maybe not! We are told we must support The Good Guys, though, because of the Bible, and then later when the Good Guys do not accept our version of ancient things, they burn in hell? Right?

Either way, it seems pretty clear the good old time the Israeli Defense Forces is having live-tweeting its bombardment of Gaza, complete with propaganda leaflets and multi-lingual Facebook pages, is mucho fucking creepy.

First of all, they’ve got hashtags, which seems like a move you only make when you are kind of having fun. Nobody wants their epitaph to read “Here Lies Uncle Mahmoud, A #PillarOfDefense Landed On Him.”

Then there are the running score counts:


(For some context: #PillarOfDefense started yesterday, and the entire area of Gaza is 141 square miles. That’s a lot of “terror sites.”)

There is also this one, which shows a translated pamphlet being dropped on Gaza that says that if you don’t want to die, you should “take responsibility for yourselves” and get away from bad guys:


Way to rocket YOURSELVES, @Palestine.

And this one, the creepiest of them, there is no snarky commentary for it, just kind of ponder how an exploded Palestinian would feel about it, if he could actually get on the internet:


Thanks, IDF, for reminding us how soon after a bombardment we should start PR spin: During. [Twitter]

 

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ManchuCandidate November 15, 2012 at 10:42 am

No one likes to be Tank Rolled.

LibertyLover November 15, 2012 at 10:43 am

Or Rick Rolled either.

LibertyLover November 15, 2012 at 10:44 am

So which plague did God send this time?

elviouslyqueer November 15, 2012 at 10:49 am

All of them, Bibi.

Mittens Howell, III November 15, 2012 at 11:08 am

Plague of assholes, apparently.

sullivanst November 15, 2012 at 11:09 am

A plague of missiles.

BaldarTFlagass November 15, 2012 at 10:44 am

I like the leaflet, "valid until quiet is restored to the region." TURN DOWN THAT GODDAM STEREO OR I'M CALLING IN AN AIRSTRIKE!

snowpointsecret November 15, 2012 at 10:45 am

Well, this is a new way to do war: Just troll them on twitter and have them mobilize defenses based on a certain plan… Then do something totally different. Eat your heart out, George W. Bush, this is how you do a mission accomplished banner.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 10:45 am

This is the most gangster thing of all time

OzoneTom November 15, 2012 at 10:45 am

This is good news for the exhumed corpse of Yasser Arafat.

Schmannnity November 15, 2012 at 10:45 am

What's all this fighting over some Gaza Stripper's? You'd think the Secret Service was involved or something.

weejee November 15, 2012 at 10:53 am

The FBI is losing its shirt over this as well.

SmutBoffin November 15, 2012 at 12:59 pm

This is extra confusing since they broke up in 2002

weejee November 15, 2012 at 10:46 am

So Bibi's best buddy Bamz is supposed to be happy the IDF waited until after the election? Iran twating in 3, 2, 1…

BaldarTFlagass November 15, 2012 at 10:46 am

I bet they'd really just prefer to nuke the site from orbit.

BadKitty904 November 15, 2012 at 10:49 am

Don't give 'em any ideas…

sullivanst November 15, 2012 at 11:11 am

Pretty sure they understand the fallout radius of their bombs.

BadKitty904 November 15, 2012 at 11:30 am

Knock wood. I'd rather this not be the "Sound of the Holiday Season" for these folks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP61LI41mgs

CrunchyKnee November 15, 2012 at 10:46 am

Can't wait for Bammerz to start tweeting: Sorry about putting you on the kill list @crunchyknee. LOLz. #oops

SorosBot November 15, 2012 at 10:46 am

Important Announcement For the Residents of the Gaza Strip: If we blow you up because you're a Muslim it's your own damn fault; don't blame the murderous bigots in charge of Israel!

StillGoinGreen November 15, 2012 at 11:09 am

You, Sir, lose TWO spins of the dreidel this year at the Wonkette Honukkah (or Chanukkah, or Khanukkah) fesitval!

Lascauxcaveman November 15, 2012 at 12:23 pm

We call it 'Festivus' around here, mostly. (and the IDF almost always wins both the airing-of-the-grievances and the feats-of-strength events.)

StillGoinGreen November 15, 2012 at 12:43 pm

I am an atheist, but I have an aversion to unadorned aluminum, as well as a hatred for velvet paintings of Kenny Loggins – so I chose, this year anyway, to celebrate my year ending by lighting some groovy candles and playing spin the bottle.

CommieLibunatic November 15, 2012 at 12:52 pm

STRIP DREIDEL :D

SorosBot November 15, 2012 at 11:15 am

And maybe if you stop forcing people to live in apartheid impoverished in ghettos, deny them any political power but rule those ghettos with a fascist iron fist, and deprive them of even the most basic rights, then problems could be avoided. Way to blame the victims here.

69WideStance November 15, 2012 at 11:21 am

Did you even skim the post you responded to?

smokefilledroommate November 15, 2012 at 11:25 am

I don't think so, their usual stock post is: #maybeifyoustoppedfiringrocketsatisraelthiswouldn'tbeaproblem

SunburntCounsel November 15, 2012 at 11:22 am

Congratulations.
You have both managed to egregiously oversimplify a conflict in a way that promotes apartheid AND spell Israel wrong.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 11:25 am

And THAT is what it truly means to be an american.

Mumbletypeg November 15, 2012 at 12:55 pm

Easy way to remember how to spell "Israel" instead of "Is Real":

The "el" part is the one referencing the deity/ heavenly host ("El Shaddai, Elohim)
Also: many men in the Old Testament have names that end in -el (Dani-el; Lemu-el; Samu-el, get it?) plus that one woman Jael who drove a tent peg through the enemy guy's head while he was sleeping~

StillGoinGreen November 15, 2012 at 11:38 am

Could you check my spelling of Chanukkah?

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 5:09 pm

Its close enough

SorosBot November 15, 2012 at 11:26 am

Yep, the Palestinians are a monolith and so if even one of them fires a rocket every single one of them are to blame and so genociding the lot of them is perfectly OK. Right.

smokefilledroommate November 15, 2012 at 11:46 am

Defense must be the new offense.

GregComlish November 15, 2012 at 12:25 pm

I suppose you think it's just a random coincidence that in response to every Palestinian attack, Israel has a counterstrike that kills somewhere between 5x and 10x the civilians.

PhilippePetain November 15, 2012 at 3:00 pm

By civilians, do you mean "heavily armed right wing militias positioned on disputed land and fortified with government money and munitions, who move their children into a warzone for the good PR"? Because if you do, I think you're kind of maybe oversimplifying things.

doloras November 15, 2012 at 5:07 pm

I really like the bit where you (i.e. the State of Israel) are allowed to kill children if their parents elect a government you don't like. The two state solution is dead, Bibi Netanyahu killed it – there will be no racially-separate Jewish state in 30 years, but only one secular democratic republic of Israel/Palestine where Jews, Arabs and miscellaneous will all have to get on, if there are any still alive.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 5:11 pm

Disregard my previous posts. I have learned that I am not to be trusted to speak rationally when Israel comes up, its mostly from the gut. It's why I tore myself away from the computer earlier.

I have family that live there, and it clouds my judgement significantly. Its one of the things I dislike most about myself.

PhilippePetain November 15, 2012 at 2:56 pm

Huh, I guess I would say when the Israelis moved into their land in the thirties and forties and started attacking the shit out of them, THEY fired first.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 5:20 pm

Now that I have gotten over my initial israel freak out, I would like to respond rationally to that. I will not make excuses for my posts, but I will say they do not represent my real thoughts on the matter, only my gut reaction. I have significant family in Israel, and the thought of people trying actively to kill them disgusts me. But I recognize that I always oversimplify the issue, and I try to shut myself up quickly and walk away before I say too much that is stupid. Obviously I failed this time.

SO:

In the 30s and 40s, the ruling authority of Palestine was the british. The jewish immigrants eventually overthrew them, and set up their own state. They offered half of the land to the Arabs, who refused.

This is the problem i have. I see posts like this, and it drives me into a blind rage, because this is simply inaccurate. It is the result of a massive propaganda machine that has been running for almost a century. All most of Israel wants is peace. They have their crazy religious bigots, and we have ours.

I do not condone Israel's actions, but I do not see an alternative when the other option is simply to ignore military action against them. If Israel launched a barrage of rockets into gaaza without any warning or specific provokation, everyone would demand that they be punished.

I just get sick of the constant blurring of facts and history that people use to justify the narrative that Israel is the aggressor in this situation, because the Arab world declared war on Israel since its first day, and has not stopped. This does not excuse the civil rights violations perpetrated by Israel, but this is what happens from over 50 years of constant war.

PhilippePetain November 15, 2012 at 6:50 pm

I think it's important to note that the same Israeli terrorist organizations that were blowing up civilian landmarks, running Arabs out of their villages and assassinating the British were also 100% against partition of any sort for Eretz Israel, notably among them a man that went on to become their Prime Minister. To act like there wasn't criminal bullshit going on on the Israeli side during and after partition is absolutely wishful thinking. I know you want them to be white hats, but, motherfucker, it ain't so. I think it's ALSO important to note that the Arabs knew what this would lead to, what it did lead to, subjection under colonialist rule. they tried to stop that, it failed, and they got it anyway.

I don't support killing civilians. I don't support any of the dumbfucks over there killing each other. What I can't fucking stomach? Anybody acting like their side is fucking innocent.

So fuck off with your condescending tone and your ahistorical claptrap, and do me a favor. Don't respond. I don't want to hear your diatribes, and I don't think anyone else here does either.

I hope your people over there remain safe.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 7:19 pm

Nah, not going to do the favor. While I know I reacted poorly, I'm not going to let my initial stupidity get in the way of correcting yours.

The idea that somehow the Jews invaded the area is simply not true. They immigrated into the area. They bought land, and while there were tensions, there was no large scale conflict.

So more historical claptrap, and further diatribes.

Up until the end of WW1 Palestine was under the rule of the Ottomans. Then the British. And while it is true that there were indeed hardliner assholes amongst the Israelis, it is a complete fallacy to suggest that they are equally culpable for the lack of two states today. Because the majority of the Israelis supported the two state solution, and the majority of the Arabs didn't.

In those days that you were talking about, there was a war. A bloody, horrible war. Blame all around, and I'm sorry but it matters who declared it.

I do not think Israel is innocent, and I regret acting like it was. There is significant wrong doing on both sides, as there has always been. But this brings me to the most important point.

The Palestinians can end it, literally any time. Just stop shooting the goddamn rockets. That is it.

If there were 0 rockets fired by Hamas for a month, and Israel still had military activity going on, then I would drop my support for Israel. But that hasn't happened for as far back as I can find. If Palestine stopped attack Israel, and Israel refused to respond in a significantly positive way, then fuck Israel.

I just don't see why it is exclusively on them to initiate peace.

HRH_Maddie November 15, 2012 at 10:47 am

I don't think this is what they had in mind when they created Twitter.

Lascauxcaveman November 15, 2012 at 11:03 am

#thegenocidewillnotbetelevised

Esteev November 15, 2012 at 11:18 am

#thegenocidewillbetweeted

Good blog, that's depressing…

sewollef November 15, 2012 at 11:26 am

Gil Scott Heron is rolling in his [relatively fresh] grave right about now.

smokefilledroommate November 15, 2012 at 12:13 pm

What did they have in mind when they created Twitter?

HRH_Maddie November 15, 2012 at 12:19 pm

I don't know, as a platform to tell people what you're having for lunch or that you're going to the gym?

bobbert November 15, 2012 at 2:56 pm

"We can make some money offa this, if it catches on".

PhilippePetain November 15, 2012 at 3:02 pm

"Do people need an easier way to send cock pics?"

sudsmckenzie November 15, 2012 at 10:47 am

pffft, I got more shit on X-Box Live last night. This is a video game right?

Esteev November 15, 2012 at 11:20 am

Respawning has been disabled.

[Edit: IntenseDebate is being a fuckwad]

BadKitty904 November 15, 2012 at 11:33 am

Yah, kinda like in that old-time movie, "War Game."

"Shall. We. Play. A. Game?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecPeSmF_ikc

CommieLibunatic November 15, 2012 at 12:54 pm

How. About. A. Nice. Game. Of. Defcon?

snowpointsecret November 15, 2012 at 10:47 am

Related news: I declare an IntenseDebate war on… IntenseDebate, which is being a pain for me right now. That'll work just as well, right?

Oblios_Cap November 15, 2012 at 10:56 am

damn ad scripts!

BaldarTFlagass November 15, 2012 at 10:56 am

I was getting paranoid that it was just me.

snowpointsecret November 15, 2012 at 10:57 am

It seems to be better now… I changed browsers over to Firefox though, that seemed to help. IE wasn't handling it well though it's normally fine.

HRH_Maddie November 15, 2012 at 10:48 am

#DefundIsrael

HRH_Maddie November 15, 2012 at 11:16 am

Bad news, Hamas doesn't read Wonkette.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 11:20 am

OH NOOOOZ!

lulzmonger November 15, 2012 at 1:46 pm

#maybeifeveryonestoppedsellingthemsomesanitywouldbreakout

#maybeatwostatesolutionisneeded

#maybekillingtwentyforoneisntreallyjusticeafterall

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 6:36 pm

New copy and paste thing, probably people will like it more.

Now that I have gotten over my initial israel freak out, I would like to apologize I will not make excuses for my posts, but I will say they do not represent my real thoughts on the matter, only my gut reaction. I have significant family in Israel, and the thought of people trying actively to kill them disgusts me. But I recognize that I always oversimplify the issue, and I try to shut myself up quickly and walk away before I say too much that is stupid. Obviously I failed this time.

glamourdammerung November 15, 2012 at 7:13 pm

New copy and paste thing, probably people will like it more.

Cut and paste! Even easier than thinking (or making an actual argument)!

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 7:28 pm

Got it. So instead of realizing I was an asshole, and apologizing in an attempt to redeem myself, I should just continue to be an asshole.

Question: Has anyone ever intentionally tried to kill your family?

doloras November 15, 2012 at 5:08 pm

And maybe if Nelson Mandela renounced violence the government of South Africa would treat the Bantu peoples more leniently.

Wait, this isn't 1985?!?

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 5:22 pm

I'm going to paste my boilerplate response to that, followed by my full thoughts:

Now that I have gotten over my initial israel freak out, I would like to respond rationally to that. I will not make excuses for my posts, but I will say they do not represent my real thoughts on the matter, only my gut reaction. I have significant family in Israel, and the thought of people trying actively to kill them disgusts me. But I recognize that I always oversimplify the issue, and I try to shut myself up quickly and walk away before I say too much that is stupid. Obviously I failed this time.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 6:56 pm

If you are attempting to compare modern Israel with apartheid south Africa, you are simply not informed of the history of Israel.

Israel was founded in 1948, after winning independence from the British mandate. Slightly earlier, in 1947, the UN decided on a 2 state solution. The Jewish people accepted, the Muslim Arabs did not.

The entire Arab world subsequently declared war on Israel, and has been attempting to wipe them off the face of the earth ever since. And it is explicitly religiously motivated, as evidenced by the infamous "drive them into the sea" that I still hear to this day.

As I have said, I react wrongly to this conflict if I don't check myself, and I apologize. Obviously Israel is no saint, but after nearly a century of a concerted effort to kill everyone in the country, bigotry and hate were inevitable.

sullivanst November 16, 2012 at 1:21 pm

Woah. You accuse someone of being "simply not informed of the history of Israel" and then immediately trot out this propagandist bullshit:

Israel was founded in 1948, after winning independence from the British mandate. Slightly earlier, in 1947, the UN decided on a 2 state solution. The Jewish people accepted, the Muslim Arabs did not.

"Won independence"? Really? Seriously, WTF? The British mandate had operated from the start with a goal in mind of creating a Jewish state – the Balfour Declaration was made in 1917, when the British advanced into Jerusalem, over five years before the formal establishment of the British Mandate. Immigration of Jews into the territory was actively encouraged until 1939, resulting in growth from 10% of the population in 1920 to 32% in 1948. Eventually, in the face of terrorist attacks against them by both sides, the British threw their hands up and announced they'd let the UN work it out (heard of UNSCOP?), still with the intention that this would result in the formation of a Jewish state. And then this happened.

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 1:38 pm

That's an oversimplification, but it is accurate. It isn't propaganda.

I feel like you are forgetting a pretty big cause of that Immigration in the 30s and 40s.

After ww2, the jews fought against the British mandate. That happened.

Goonemeritus November 15, 2012 at 10:48 am

And I didn’t think I could hate Twitter anymore than I already did.

FakaktaSouth November 15, 2012 at 10:48 am

Jesus Christ.
#HolocaustsOnlyHappenToJewishPeople

Fukui-sanYesOta November 15, 2012 at 11:11 am

Which came first – the rocket attack or the rocket attack backed up with ground troops and tanks?

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 11:22 am

The rocket attack aimed at israeli citizens.

BoatOfVelociraptors November 15, 2012 at 11:24 am

Well played, mister Hatfield. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatfield–McCoy

SayItWithWookies November 15, 2012 at 11:17 am

If Israel stopped treating Gaza as some sort of criminal underclass prison slum that deserves collective punishment including the killing of innocent women and children every time a homemade rocket comes over the border maybe this wouldn't be happening.

It's Netanyahu's MO and has been since the first time he was prime minister — and it provokes the violent response that serves as an excuse to keep building settlements and ratcheting up the oppression everywhere else. I'm not saying the Palestinians are blameless either — but bombing them from F-16s isn't going to solve the problem and frankly isn't designed to.

sullivanst November 15, 2012 at 11:22 am

Unless by "solve the problem" you mean "entrench the extremists on both sides"

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 11:24 am

Do you remember that Isreal withdrew from Gaaza completely a few years back, and then was attacked by Hamas right away?

SayItWithWookies November 15, 2012 at 11:51 am

If your memory only goes back as far as the last punch that was thrown at you, you're always going to be aggrieved, period.

sullivanst November 15, 2012 at 11:21 am

#maybeifyoudidntcondemnoneandahalfmillionpeopletoalifeofprivationfortheactionsofafewthousandtheywouldntsupporttheguysrunningschoolsandhospitalswhoalsohappentobetheoneslobbingrockets

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 11:23 am

I'm sorry, you are never going to be right if you are on the side of people who are intentionally killing civilians.

sullivanst November 15, 2012 at 11:26 am

And you are never going to be right if you are on the side of people who are intentionally oppressing millions and "unintentionally" killing civilians by the hundreds and thousands. IDF has killed more civilians than Hamas has, by orders of magnitude.

Also too, you're never going to be right if you refuse to distinguish support for a civilian population under occupation, from support for the predictable extremist violence which arises when civilian populations are occupied.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 11:34 am

The problem is it's not the occupation that is causing the violence. And we know this because when Israel withdrew from Gaza a couple of years ago, Hamas moved in and started firing rockets.

I don't LIKE that Israel is killing people. I don't like that it is occupying Gaza.

But I don't blame them.

SorosBot November 15, 2012 at 11:29 am

But you are on the side of people who are intentionally killing civilians!

MissTaken November 15, 2012 at 11:46 am

But it's the civilians fault if they die from and Israeli bomb. I read it on the pamphlet! And it was from the IDF so of course it's true!

Defeatably_Joe November 15, 2012 at 11:50 am

Haha, what? http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/nov/24/israehttp://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/01/yesterdayhttp://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-admits-targeting-

That was with only thirty seconds, and google, and ignoring the ambiguous cases..

PhilippePetain November 15, 2012 at 7:13 pm

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA. Fuck. Is this a high school kid or something? This is some ignorant shit.

lulzmonger November 15, 2012 at 1:56 pm

NO SALE.

Ask the Lebanese about intentionally killing civilians, sunshine.

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 1:26 am

This is my favorite quote from Hamas:

""The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

GregComlish November 15, 2012 at 12:27 pm

Yeah Fakata, #stophittingyourself #stophittingyourself

Redgyal November 15, 2012 at 1:51 pm

Or #maybeiftheydidnothaveoiltheuswouldnotcareasmuchastheyclaimtocarenow

Gratuitous World November 15, 2012 at 10:49 am

In 9 months there will be a lot of babies named Canned Gefilte.

actor212 November 15, 2012 at 10:49 am

I can't blame them for the attack, but the gloating has to stop.

BadKitty904 November 15, 2012 at 10:57 am

They *could* sound a little less chipper and upbeat about it…

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 11:04 am

I support Isreal, but yeah this is a bit fucked up

actor212 November 15, 2012 at 11:12 am

Right? I mean, you do it, you issue the video, and say "Any questions?" and let it go.

BaldarTFlagass November 15, 2012 at 10:49 am

I wonder how many residents of the Gaza Strip "follow" the Israeli Defense Forces spokesperson on Twitter.

Defeatably_Joe November 15, 2012 at 11:14 am

If they had regular internet access or electricity, I imagine quite a few would, actually. It's like following the weather service, except for missiles. Or like following the MTA service advisory feed, but for tanks and bulldozers.

BaldarTFlagass November 15, 2012 at 11:21 am

"Scattered airstrikes through early evening, 40% chance of missile launches overnight, mortar attacks expected to increase through your morning commute."

sewollef November 15, 2012 at 11:30 am

Now THAT would be a bitch getting to work in the Flatiron district every morning. The roads and sidewalks are bad enough in this town as it is without a blitzkreig every morning.

PhilippePetain November 15, 2012 at 10:00 pm

Apparently fucking Hamas does. This is just so fucking insane. I didn't think I could think these people were more insane, but then they started twitter sniping each other while actually killing each others kids. I fucking hate people. I fucking hate everything,

Okay sorry. not really, But it's getting that way.

snowpointsecret November 15, 2012 at 10:49 am

Israel is taking war as well as an 18 year old boy on Call of Duty.

CommieLibunatic November 15, 2012 at 1:12 pm

I now await a tweet from the IDF about how they dropped their bong.

Defeatably_Joe November 15, 2012 at 10:50 am

In case anyone's wondering why this military operation has such a seemingly nonsensical name (Pillar? But also, DEFENSE!), apparently the reason is because English speakers are perhaps not as amenable to the weird theocratic implications of the actual name it would have if translated from Hebrew.

ManchuCandidate November 15, 2012 at 10:54 am

The english equivalent would be Pillar of DeathRAY

Defeatably_Joe November 15, 2012 at 10:56 am

If our Wonketes were carrying out the same operation, we'd call it Pillar of VOTES.

BadKitty904 November 15, 2012 at 10:58 am

Presumably, "FIST OF YHWH" was already trademarked?

eggsacklywright November 15, 2012 at 10:59 am

The next operation will be called Havana-Gila-Monster.

SorosBot November 15, 2012 at 11:01 am

Hey, at least this means America isn't the only nation inflicted with insane right-wing fundamentalists who believe some ridiculous old fairy tales from a silly book are literally true and justify killing a shitload of people just because they're brown and believe in basically the same mythology but with a few differences in the details!

Defeatably_Joe November 15, 2012 at 12:30 pm

In fairness, this is actually true of ALL of our allies in the region.

CommieLibunatic November 15, 2012 at 1:14 pm

That is so comforting, I won't hit the bottle until noon for a change.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 11:10 pm

In 2008 Imam Yousif al-Zahar of Hamas said in his sermon at the Katib Wilayat mosque in Gaza that "Jews are a people who cannot be trusted. They have been traitors to all agreements. Go back to history. Their fate is their vanishing.".[71][230]

Another Hamas legislator and imam, Sheik Yunus al-Astal, discussed a Koranic verse suggesting that "suffering by fire is the Jews' destiny in this world and the next". He concluded "Therefore we are sure that the Holocaust is still to come upon the Jews".[71][230]

This is ok though right?

Negropolis November 16, 2012 at 9:12 am

To be fair, this applies to both sides in this conflict. The difference is one side has the wherewithal to be the adults in this situation, and they don't.

Esteev November 15, 2012 at 11:48 am

Pillar of Pillagers

WABishop November 15, 2012 at 11:57 am

So we should ignore the obvious phallic imagery?

PhilippePetain November 15, 2012 at 3:06 pm

They should have just tweeted that scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark. Americans would have totally been on board then.

ManchuCandidate November 15, 2012 at 10:50 am

Thirty years from now, when you're sitting around your iPad with your grandson on your knee and he asks you, "What did you do in the great Gaza War," you won't have to say, "Well… I posted shit on Facebook."

BadKitty904 November 15, 2012 at 10:59 am

I'm guessing Israel has already unliked Palestine.

Oblios_Cap November 15, 2012 at 10:51 am

So the Israelis are beginning their assault on the Arabs in the ghetto Gaza Strip?

God, I'm so sick of supporting "allies" like Israel.

Oblios_Cap November 15, 2012 at 11:48 am

Overkill has worked so well before, I know.

hagajim November 15, 2012 at 11:51 am

I don't mind supporting them – but for hell sake we ought to hold them accountable as well.

GregComlish November 15, 2012 at 12:50 pm

Oh my God, you keep posting this inane hashtag like it means a goddamn thing. Look, do you honestly believe that the entirety of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict began a week ago when Hamas decided to fire rockets and that up until that point Israel never killed innocent Palestinians? Given that this conflict has spanned decades if not millennia, it is absolutely meaningless to point to a singular act of violence and say "They started it." All that proves is what a simplistic moron you are.

CommieLibunatic November 15, 2012 at 1:16 pm

Word. That kind of behavior is usually reserved for the Yahoo! comment section. We may be a foul-mouthed libtard mommyblog, but even evil has it's standards.

poorgradstudent November 15, 2012 at 5:27 pm

In terms of allies, Israel is like the deadbeat roommate whose rent and grocery bill you cover but shows no gratitude and does nothing in return except pick fights with people you weren't on great terms with in the first place but don't really want to get in trouble with either.

glamourdammerung November 15, 2012 at 7:12 pm

Your cut and paste is broken.

Mittens Howell, III November 15, 2012 at 10:53 am

#followfriday @RachelCorrie

biraweeyaz November 15, 2012 at 4:51 pm

I've said it and I've said it….if the BULLDOZING DEATH of a pretty young American woman didn't cause a MASSIVE shift in public opinion against Israel and our support for them, nothing will.

That shows you the incredible power of their propaganda machine.

EatsBabyDingos November 15, 2012 at 10:53 am

If Rush Limbaugh had a house in Gaza, would his bathroom be a terror site? I'm sure the toilet has been terrified for years.

Sharkey November 15, 2012 at 10:54 am

That's the final straw – the IDF is officially OFF my Christmas card list.

Lascauxcaveman November 15, 2012 at 11:05 am

Ooh! Harsh, dude!

BaldarTFlagass November 15, 2012 at 11:07 am

Do Jewish people send each other Hannukkah cards for all eight days? That's a lot of cards to send.

BaldarTFlagass November 15, 2012 at 10:54 am

It would be really funny if their Pillar of Defense turned into a Pillar of Salt.

smokefilledroommate November 15, 2012 at 11:17 am

I agree, it would bring Lots of laughter.

Mumbletypeg November 15, 2012 at 11:30 am

Sodom in, Sod-om out. Who can explain it?

BadKitty904 November 15, 2012 at 11:39 am

ISWYDT

SayItWithWookies November 15, 2012 at 10:54 am

This shit is horrific — when you've pushed a people as far down as they're going to go, why the hell do you bomb the shit out of them? Is there maybe some pro-Israel portion of the population that Hamas is oppressing that'll rise up and take charge once all the Hamas operatives are killed? No. This is the population of Gaza, Mr. Netanyahu — they don't get any happier with Israel than they are right now. Shit has to change.

sudsmckenzie November 15, 2012 at 11:01 am

Well, at least I don't have to give a shit about Syria for another day, now excuse me while I go out and buy all the gas I can.

Ground Zero Mostel November 15, 2012 at 11:01 am

Yes this. Unfortunately, the Israeli people have to change it — with votes!

comrad_darkness November 15, 2012 at 11:47 am

The U.S. right does this too. They expect the exact opposite behavior out of their enemies as they themselves would express. It's psychopathic.

Oblios_Cap November 15, 2012 at 12:07 pm

I had an Israeli roommate as an undergrad. He was as big, if not bigger, of a racist prick against the Arabs as any redneck I've met in America. The Iranians upstairs were a lot more fun to be around.

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 1:24 am

So attacking military targets is the same as attacking civilian targets? Hamas is a terrorist organization, that in it's founding charter said that

""The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

I really hope it isn't all of Gaza who thinks this shit.

prommie November 15, 2012 at 10:58 am

Those poor Afrikaans, so oppressed, we have to support them, the poor poor oppressed people.

Redgyal November 15, 2012 at 2:11 pm

You man artists against apartheid? Great concert. I always wondered why the current president of South Africa allowed the release of this document. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israe

BaldarTFlagass November 15, 2012 at 10:59 am

Puts new meaning to the term "warblog."

pinkocommi November 15, 2012 at 10:59 am

When people say, "All's fair in love and war," I guess that now includes gloating over how many people you've killed on twitter. :(

MacRaith November 15, 2012 at 11:00 am

Since I'm not watching Fox News, I hope someone here can enlighten me: In how many different ways is this Barack Obama's fault?

snowpointsecret November 15, 2012 at 11:01 am

Only one, really: Jesus.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 11:06 am

11

actor212 November 15, 2012 at 11:13 am

All of them, Katie

elviouslyqueer November 15, 2012 at 11:33 am

Because Benghazi, is why. Also, too.

Esteev November 15, 2012 at 11:25 am

Who else is to blame?

SorosBot November 15, 2012 at 11:55 am

Because he refuses to support Israel and has betrayed them*!

*In Fox News-wingnut land, giving nearly unequivocal support to the Israeli government but mildly criticizing them even once means one has betrayed and refuses to support Israel (and that's Israel itself, not just the current government).

Mittens Howell, III November 15, 2012 at 11:02 am

@IDFspokesperson

Boss just ordered in pizza for everyone. I LOVE 'wear a tank to work' day!

Steverino247 November 15, 2012 at 11:03 am

When you consider that you can launch a bigger warhead using an Estes rocket than you can using most of the crap Hamas is using, I think "terror site" is just a bit of an exaggeration.

ManchuCandidate November 15, 2012 at 11:05 am

Estes Rocket Libel!

BaldarTFlagass November 15, 2012 at 11:26 am

When someone says "terror site" to me, I automatically think of Freerepublic, Redstate, WND, and Breitbart.

sullivanst November 15, 2012 at 11:41 am

Not to go all linguistic on you, but the intent is to terrorize, so on a literal basis it's accurate.

It's the implication that in a piece of land with a population density of around 10,000 people per square mile, it's possible to distinguish between "terror sites" and "apartment buildings home to dozens of civilian families" that's more obscene.

Steverino247 November 15, 2012 at 12:58 pm

Point very well taken.

Note that 100 rockets were fired yesterday and no damage was done. If the Palestinians want to really piss off the Israelis, I would suggest toilet papering their houses.

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 12:50 am

So because they failed, attempted murder of civilians is A OK

Negropolis November 16, 2012 at 9:16 am

Who the fuck said or implied that? The point is that the Israeli response to Hamas is ALWAYS disportionate.

No one is right in this war. But hell if you're going to try and convince us that there isn't a side more wrong than the other.

Oblios_Cap November 15, 2012 at 11:04 am

Israelis (rightly) wail about how the Nazis put a portion of "lesser" types into a contained area and starved, bombed and executed them at will. Think Warsaw.

But apparently, if you are a Palestinian whose country was given away in 1948, it is okay if they do the same thing to you. The Israelis appear to be sociopaths.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 6:43 pm

First:
New copy and paste thing, probably people will like it more.

Now that I have gotten over my initial israel freak out, I would like to apologize I will not make excuses for my posts, but I will say they do not represent my real thoughts on the matter, only my gut reaction. I have significant family in Israel, and the thought of people trying actively to kill them disgusts me. But I recognize that I always oversimplify the issue, and I try to shut myself up quickly and walk away before I say too much that is stupid. Obviously I failed this time.

Second:

Factually incorrect. Palestine was under the control of the Ottoman empire until WW1, at which point the British took over. Palestine wasn't an independent entity, and hasn't been for centuries.

And Palestinians were given the chance to have full authority over their own country, which they refused.

sullivanst November 16, 2012 at 1:00 pm

Palestine had substantial self-governance in the Ottoman empire. Before the British took over, they had already promised the land to the Jews (Balfour declaration was 1917). As a result, Jewish immigration, which had been a very slow trickle from the start of the Zionist movement in the late 19th Century, greatly accelerated under British control. On a semantic point, I suppose you could say it wasn't "their country", but it was a territory where they had enjoyed autonomy, and where after the 1947-8 conflicts hundreds of thousands of people who could trace their occupancy of the land for centuries and millenia were displaced from their homes, so "their country" better describes the reality of that history than "not an independent entity".

As to partition, I'm sorry but that's also a vast oversimplification. Menachem Begin, for example, said that he only accepted the partition plan because it would provide a platform from which to take the rest of the territory. Neither side accepted partition as a final status, the Palestinians rejected it as an initial status because it was taking away from what they already had, the Jewish Agency accepted it because it was giving them something they did not have.

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 1:08 pm

That is a stretch, and not even relevant. The fact is that after WW1, Britain took over.

There was a lot of conflict in this time frame, and it gets confusing, but the Jewish people were the ones who got ride of British rule. They waged warfare against the colonial mandate, and won.

The Jews played politics better, sure, but the Palestinians were offered a sovereign state. And they refused.

If your argument is that there shouldn't be an Israel, then there will never be peace, because that is an absurd case.

sullivanst November 16, 2012 at 1:54 pm

Have you even fucking heard of the Balfour Declaration, or are you just incapable of comprehension? Or is it just that you live in a fantasy world entirely detached from reality? I could certainly believe the latter, because that's the only place where your last paragraph could have come from.

MUHAMMED_PBUH November 15, 2012 at 11:05 am

still better than the official IDF tumblr account which consists entirely of creepy Moshe Dayan / Ariel Sharon slash fiction and anime-style pencil drawings of Yasser Arafat getting sodomized by Dr. Who

shelwood46 November 15, 2012 at 2:34 pm

No lie, they have a Pinterest: http://pinterest.com/idfonline/

Mittens Howell, III November 15, 2012 at 11:06 am

@IDFspokesperson

I'd like to apologize for posting that instagram of my penis, this #PillarOfDefense thing is getting to my head.

Chow Yun Flat November 15, 2012 at 11:12 am

Blowing up people as a digital spectator sport has a lot of potential.

CommieLibunatic November 15, 2012 at 1:29 pm

Ugh, the idea was dreadful enough in Half-Life and Ender's Game.

Blueb4sinrise November 15, 2012 at 11:15 am

Stay focused, people. The important thing is that people are dying.

BadKitty904 November 15, 2012 at 11:44 am

Thank you. Whether they're Plain or Star-bellied Sneetches becomes kinda unimportant, in that context.

Oblios_Cap November 15, 2012 at 11:57 am

The good news is now we can sell more weapons.

Wile E. Quixote November 15, 2012 at 11:17 am

Can we start a petition on the White House website to punch Bibi Netanyahu in his pillar of defense?

Mumbletypeg November 15, 2012 at 11:28 am

You know who *else* got "tweeted to pieces"?

actor212 November 15, 2012 at 11:30 am

Sthylvesther the Cat?

Mumbletypeg November 15, 2012 at 11:35 am

Feathery-weather friend, that Tweety!

jodyleek November 15, 2012 at 11:38 am

Tippi Hedren?

actor212 November 15, 2012 at 11:40 am

She was a real pecker head

kittensdontlie November 15, 2012 at 11:30 am

God is fiddling while Gaza is burning. The Jews have been restored to the Holy Land as prophecied, now where is our Second Coming and the end time to this madness?!

BadKitty904 November 15, 2012 at 11:54 am

It's approximately 90 miles from Gaza to Tel Megiddo (in Greek, "Armageddon").

Just sayin'…

Botlrokit November 15, 2012 at 11:55 am

hint: it already happened. We missed out, apparently.

Weenus299 November 15, 2012 at 11:31 am

Isn't it cool that defenders are defenselessly defending with state-of-the-art heavily armored tanks and laser-guided rockets?

Against evil offensive people who are totally surrounded and throw rocks and might, if they have flammable things, orchestrate some kind of box bomb that may or may not go off?

#weaselmotherfucker

snowpointsecret November 15, 2012 at 11:32 am

If these tweets looked like normal tweets:

@IDFSpokesperson

"Join in the fun! #warlol"

@IDFSpokesperson

#MANTHEHARPOONS

Mumbletypeg November 15, 2012 at 11:46 am

And this one, the creepiest of them, there is no snarky commentary for it, just kind of ponder how an exploded Palestinian would feel about it, if he could actually get on the internet:

Tonight, more than 1 million Israelis are going to sleep in bomb shelters. This operation will bring a better tomorrow.


Yeah because that one "Bible verse": Love the sin, hate the sinner.

Guppy November 15, 2012 at 11:48 am

Render unto Bibi that which belongs to Bibi (and a good chunk of what doesn't as well,also too).

freakishlywrong November 15, 2012 at 11:50 am

#americanconservativesarefapping.

Oblios_Cap November 15, 2012 at 12:38 pm

Trudi Rubin is getting wet and squishy.

Botlrokit November 15, 2012 at 11:51 am

Christians all over are masturbating furiously right now. "Maybe THIS will bring the Apocalypse, and our beloved Jesus back!!"

DahBoner November 15, 2012 at 12:05 pm

Did you hear about the Israeli husband who bought his Palestinian wife a rocket for christmas?

She says "what the fuck do i want with a rocket"?

Her husband replies, "Well you wanted space, now fuck off"

//rimshot

natl_[redacted]_cmdr November 15, 2012 at 12:07 pm

Gee, it almost seems like these guys think killing Palestinians is no big deal. Like they almost don't consider this particular ethnic group fully human. Huh.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 6:47 pm

A gross oversimplification, which Is something I have also been doing today.
Arabs in the region have become increasingly hostile to jews since the late 1800s, and have supported efforts to, and this is a direct quote, "drive them into the sea".

Anti Arab sentiment has been surprisingly low in comparison up until fairly recently, which makes sense considering Israel has been under direct attack since it won independence from the British mandate.

DesertTed November 15, 2012 at 12:13 pm

Israel is a whore and always has been. THAT'S in the Bible.
Jeremiah 3
Ezekiel 23
The entire book of Hosea

decentcitizen November 15, 2012 at 12:55 pm

I like to make the distinction between what a government does and what the citizens support. Unfortunately, this has not led to a cessation of drone strikes at weddings.

Negropolis November 16, 2012 at 9:18 am

Honestly, fuck off with that, you creep. You can take your bible and stick it where the sun don't shine.

Tio_Doidinho November 15, 2012 at 12:29 pm

#beatingswillcontinueuntilmoraleimproves

PinkoPopulist November 15, 2012 at 12:40 pm

Positively Orwellian.

TribecaMike November 15, 2012 at 1:10 pm

The Israel Defense Forces — We Put The Kosher in K-Ration.

lulzmonger November 15, 2012 at 2:06 pm

Operation Pillar Of Blowing Smoke

Yeah, sure is funny how a few decades of calling your neighbours swine in clothes & two-legged vermin makes it easy as pie to frag them & their kids.

#neverforget

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 7:53 pm

"drive the jews into the sea"

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 1:17 am

In 2008 Imam Yousif al-Zahar of Hamas said in his sermon at the Katib Wilayat mosque in Gaza that "Jews are a people who cannot be trusted. They have been traitors to all agreements. Go back to history. Their fate is their vanishing.".[71][230]

So this is fine right?

Just checking. There are plenty of things I won't forget. October 6, 1973 is a big one.

poorgradstudent November 15, 2012 at 2:40 pm

Thank God Israel has followed the example of the US by taking its military actions superseriously.

Smithboy November 15, 2012 at 3:18 pm

Who can figure these Palestinians? Sure we "confiscate" their land, block food, medicine and building material from coming into Gaza…is that any reason to for them to get huffy and fire rockets at us? Remember God gave us this land…cue music…This land is may land., this land is our land…this land is God's land, this land is our land.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 7:25 pm

First:

Now that I have gotten over my initial israel freak out, I would like to apologize. I will not make excuses for my posts, but I will say they do not represent my real thoughts on the matter, only my gut reaction. I have significant family in Israel, and the thought of people trying actively to kill them disgusts me. But I recognize that I always oversimplify the issue, and I try to shut myself up quickly and walk away before I say too much that is stupid. Obviously I failed this time.

Also:

Well actually they took it from the british. And they were willing to give palestinians half of it. But instead they and the entire arab world have been attempting to drive the jews into the sea since.

Maybe if they stop firing rockets, Israel would stop the blockade. Why is the entire burdon of peace on Israel?

There hasn't been a month without a rocket attack over the last year.

PhilippePetain November 15, 2012 at 9:55 pm

Yes, why is Eric Burdon and the Animals stopping peace? We must ask ourselves.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 9:59 pm

I'm glad you think murder is a joke. Maybe someone will attempt to kill your family every day for a year, and we can all laugh and laugh.

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 12:45 am

Or are GHOSTS firing rockets every single week?

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 12:47 am

Do you not get that there is a difference between Hamas and Palestinians?

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 12:53 am

Seriously. Do you actually understand that Hamas =/= Palestinians?

They may have elected those fuckers, and support them which is bat shit insane, but they are separate.

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 1:10 am

I love how you are so angry with me because I attacked you for joking about this. And then you freak out about your Palestinian friend, out of nowhere, for no reason.

And I reiterate: do you understand that Hamas and the Palestinian people are separate entities? Hamas is in charge, and has Palestinian support, which is fucked up, but they are different things.

Am I not allowed to dislike murderous religious fanatics who intentionally target civilians? Do I have to cheer for them while they try and kill my family?

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 1:15 am

So yeah, let's all fucking cheer for these guys:

In 2008 Imam Yousif al-Zahar of Hamas said in his sermon at the Katib Wilayat mosque in Gaza that "Jews are a people who cannot be trusted. They have been traitors to all agreements. Go back to history. Their fate is their vanishing."

But no, it has nothing to do with antisemitism, its all about the land RIIIGHT?

PhilippePetain November 16, 2012 at 11:35 am

You're a psychopath. You were responding to this shit for like ten hours yesterday. Time to go see a doctor.

glamourdammerung November 15, 2012 at 7:14 pm

I can think of a few billion reasons a year that entitles us to tell the Israelis to knock it off.

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 2:03 pm

Fun word twisting time!

I'm gonna go with something about Jews and Money. Your turn!

glamourdammerung November 16, 2012 at 3:33 pm

Fun word twisting time!

I'm gonna go with something about Jews and Money. Your turn!

I have no clue what you are trying to suggest other than you do not know that the United States gives Israel billions of dollars a year.

Between stupidity like that last comment of yours, the fact you are clearly not reading what you are responding to, and all the spam, I am not entirely sure you are not a random text generator.

solrobins6 November 17, 2012 at 1:32 am

When did you last donate to hamas?

Negropolis November 17, 2012 at 10:13 pm

The last time you sexed up your mother. You know, so last night.

ttommyunger November 15, 2012 at 9:10 pm

Gaza: the world's first open-air Concentration Camp. It took the English in Africa to invent the Concentration Camp. The Jews perfected it.

glamourdammerung November 15, 2012 at 9:14 pm

#nuuhthepalestinianscangowheretheyplease

#andtheydeserveitbecausemycutandpastesaysso

Am I doing it right?

Oh wait, I spelled "Palestinians" correctly, so I guess not.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 10:03 pm

Oh I thought you had left. You still haven't explained why shooting rockets at civilians is justified in order to achieve peace.

Or why we should only care when Israel breaks peace treaties, and not when Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan do it.

Or how Israel can mind control people into shooting rockets at them.

glamourdammerung November 15, 2012 at 10:05 pm

Or I just gave up arguing with a bigot that admits not only that they have no knowledge of the subject they are whining about and are just overreacting but that also they do not really care about the facts of the matter because, well they are a bigot.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 10:10 pm

You know I have only met 1 Palestinian person in my life.

This is my favorite quote of his
"The holocaust was a terrible event, but I wish it had been done better"

Where was I bigoted? I may have overreacted, and overstated Israel's innocence, but I never said all palestinians were this or that or anything. Every goddamn day I'm online, and I see some wing nut saying something about israel and evil Muslims, and I spend my time correcting them, because I don't like bigotry towards anyone. Anyone.

But I still can't get that quote out of my head.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 10:24 pm

Well? How was I a bigot.

Please. Explain. I honestly would rather know, so I don't do it again.

Am I a bigot to this guy?
http://www.facebook.com/akram.alsaidi.5

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 10:28 pm

And I'm still waiting on some of your facts, to correct me.

But i'm beginning to think the only bigot here is you. So far you have refused to even acknowledge that there is guilt on both parties, as well as just skirted the question of why civilian murder is OK when the civilians are Israeli.

I am not a bigot. I just am sick of people trying to kill my family, because of our religion, and when I complain about somehow that is bigotry? The Arab world is horribly bigoted against Jews.
http://www.algemeiner.com/wp-content/uploads/2012

This is humor in Iran. I don't make jokes or cartoons about Mohammed, because that is what horrible bigots do. It's like we are expected to somehow the least bigoted people of all time, while actively enduring smear campaigns against us.

I'm waiting.

valmach November 15, 2012 at 9:26 pm

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti – Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

valmach November 15, 2012 at 9:30 pm

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti – Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” Ben Gurion, Racist, Terrorist, Zionist, Israeli Prime Minister

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 11:06 pm

In 2008 Imam Yousif al-Zahar of Hamas said in his sermon at the Katib Wilayat mosque in Gaza that "Jews are a people who cannot be trusted. They have been traitors to all agreements. Go back to history. Their fate is their vanishing.".[71][230]

Another Hamas legislator and imam, Sheik Yunus al-Astal, discussed a Koranic verse suggesting that "suffering by fire is the Jews' destiny in this world and the next". He concluded "Therefore we are sure that the Holocaust is still to come upon the Jews".[71][230]

Actual terrorists

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 10:05 pm

"They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So, it's simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipe us out."

Full quote.

More fun quotes!

"The charter states "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories,[42] and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.[77][78] The Charter also asserts that through shrewd manipulation of imperial countries and secret societies, Zionists were behind a wide range of events and disasters going as far back in history as the French Revolution. Among the charter's controversial statements is the following: "The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews [and kill them]; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: Oh Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!"[41] The document also quotes Islamic religious texts to provide justification for fighting against and killing the Jews of Israel"

Gee Hamas is just some freedom loving freedom fighters right?

But yeah, lets all just blame Israel. A few rockets never killed anybody right?

BZ1 November 16, 2012 at 7:20 am

Takes two to tango.

Negropolis November 16, 2012 at 9:02 am

There is also this one, which shows a translated pamphlet being dropped on Gaza that says that if you don’t want to die, you should “take responsibility for yourselves” and get away from bad guys:

Ummm, where are you supposed to run and hide to in the open-air prison camp that is the Gaza Strip? Hell, you couldn't even leave in a boat because of the naval blockade.

Tonight, more than 1 million Israelis are going to sleep in bomb shelters. This operation will bring a better tomorrow.

Mr. Orwell, eat your fuckin' heart out.

BTW, Hamas REALLY needs to stop it with the indiscriminate firing of fucking bottle rockets, already. Rebellion: you're doing it wrong.

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 9:56 am

They aren't toys. They are rockets, and they kill people.

Negropolis November 16, 2012 at 9:53 pm

How many Israelis have been killed by these rockets, and how many Palestinians have been killed by Israeli rockets? Do you really want to go there?

Troll, behind me.

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 10:18 pm

Yes. Yes I do.

This is an argument by children, for children. Israel uses it's resources to put up defensive systems to minimize deaths. Hamas uses it's resources to maximize enemy civilian casualties. They just aren't very good at it.

But it doesn't matter. None of it matters. There will never be peace, because for one side that means the obliteration of Israel. There's no counterargument to that. There's no "oh but how about" when its just die all of you.

If i'm shooting at your head, it's not for lack of evil intent that you don't die. I'm just a lousy shot.

Negropolis November 16, 2012 at 9:08 am

Sometimes, you go to war with the poor people you have (Palestinians), not the poor people you wished you had (Iranians).

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 10:01 am

Or the people attempting to finish the holocaust.

glamourdammerung November 16, 2012 at 3:28 pm

Can we just ban the spambot and be done with it?

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 3:36 pm

Aww is the hamas lover sad?

glamourdammerung November 16, 2012 at 4:04 pm

Aww is the hamas lover sad?

Between stupidity like that and spamming the thread, you really should stop crying when people call out your nonsense for what it is.

At least the Brazilians were semi-coherent at points.

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 4:20 pm

He is sad isn't he. Tell me, why do you support them?

solrobins6 November 17, 2012 at 12:48 am

Question: why hasn't israel destroyed the dome on the rock?

sullivanst November 15, 2012 at 11:47 am

Yeah, Israel's “withdrawal” from Gaza was really sincere, and they totally didn't blockade the shit out of the place, prohibiting the import of, say, the concrete necessary to rebuild the destruction left by IDF airstrikes and tank operations immediately prior to “withdrawal” for years after, or anything like that.

sullivanst November 15, 2012 at 11:51 am

Ah, but you named three when he only asked for one. You lose!

glamourdammerung November 15, 2012 at 8:30 pm

I think I made too stark of a contrast there, but my overall point is still valid: one side is attacking civilians intentionally and exclusively, and the other is defending their citizens from said attacks

Bullshit. You are a liar and a moron. You should be embarrassed for posting something that incredibly stupid.

White phosphorus is a banned weapon for a reason. And that reason is not because it causes tickling and giggles.

SorosBot November 15, 2012 at 11:52 am

Yep, just like all those Iraqi civilians we killed during the invasion, they ignored the leaflets we dropped on them and so it was their own damn fault for getting in the way of W. Bush working out his daddy issues.

sullivanst November 15, 2012 at 12:04 pm

Yes, because when you're blockaded into a piece of land 25 miles long by 6 miles wide, it's so easy to find shelter from a hail of missiles.

ETA: quick bit of wiki-ing reveals that Gaza is pretty close to the same land area as the city of Detroit, bit has over twice the population.

Defeatably_Joe November 15, 2012 at 12:05 pm

Oh, also the whole Gaza blockade itself, which according to Israeli officials intentionally targets 1.7 million Gazans. But again, he only asked for one, my bad.

Defeatably_Joe November 15, 2012 at 1:08 pm

The way I always remember it is that the Old Testiament is totally full of lots of begetting, just like that nudie UFO cult.

Mumbletypeg November 15, 2012 at 1:22 pm

haha — you jest, MumblyJoe, but I am not fooled, I have witnessed your acumen on biblical history/ exegesis/ whatnot, in plenty of threads here. I might once have boasted the equivalent for having been steeped in Xtian schools long enough; yet it was SayItWithWookies who enlightned me about the -el nomenclature only recently; up til then I hadn't really noticed it.

StillGoinGreen November 15, 2012 at 4:44 pm

Dreidel, Dreidel, Dreidel
wooden sides of four
If it lands on Gimel
your panties must hit the floor!

PhilippePetain November 15, 2012 at 7:27 pm

YOU STUPID SHIT. We all know the history of the area. Everyone here is smarter than you. You sound so sophomoric, it's unfathomable. You sound like a high school kid that forgot to read half of the book; in fact I'm willing to bet that's exactly what you are, unless your academic growth was just stunted at that tender age.

It's like you read the fucking Cliff's Notes of a Chick's Tract.

Look. You're not smart. You're not "teaching" anyone anything. You're an ignoramus, and when ignoram-i try to teach people things, they only make themselves look silly. So hey, go ahead and scream at everyone here about the pathetic outline of information that you have, I have a feeling you'll be gone soon enough.

I honestly didn't intend to be so rude to you, it's just that you deserve it so badly.

sullivanst November 16, 2012 at 1:37 pm

I'll just leave this here. Oh, and this. And you might want to note who their last commander was.

glamourdammerung November 15, 2012 at 7:55 pm

Got it. So instead of realizing I was an asshole, and apologizing in an attempt to redeem myself, I should just continue to be an asshole.

Not sure why you are asking for my retroactive permission.

Question: Has anyone ever intentionally tried to kill your family?

No, my family is not Palestinian.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 7:59 pm

Got it. So shooting rockets at people is ok, as long as they aren't Palestinian. I mean it's not like rockets ever killed anyone, right?

Right?

glamourdammerung November 15, 2012 at 8:05 pm

I fail to see how it is magically acceptable depending on what group the targeted civilians belong to.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 8:12 pm

Oh yeah, its not like only Israel is getting blamed in this very thread. There's also… no wait. Nope. Just Israel blaming.

Question: Has anyone ever intentionally tried to kill your family?

you answered:

No, my family is not Palestinian.

Literally, and obviously intentionally, ignoring the fact that Hamas is still shooting rockets at civilians.

glamourdammerung November 15, 2012 at 8:23 pm

Kind of like how you are deliberately ignoring that whole cluster bombing civilian neighborhoods? Or using banned weapons like white phosphorus on civilians? Or bombing power facilities, collective punishment, etc.?

Since you yourself admitted you were incapable of being rational about the subject, maybe you should knock off whining when people point out that you are full of it.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 8:32 pm

I will reply with what I already said about that:
In reference to the Israelis who commited such unacceptable atrocities:

Those are disgusting acts, and those people should be punished by death.

I'm not saying that there aren't sociopaths in the Israeli army, even at the top.

I think I made too stark of a contrast there, but my overall point is still valid: one side is attacking civilians intentionally and exclusively, and the other is defending their citizens from said attacks. Hamas literally is a terrorist organization.

The thing is, hamas is intentionally just trying to kill people. Any people.

Israel is using military force to supress Hamas. Are there civilian casualties? Yes. Lots of them? Sadly, yes. And do they do horrible atrocities to citizens? Once again, yes, and it disgusts me.

But their goal isn't to wipe out every single palestinian.

And I'm still waiting for anyone to condemn the rocket attacks.

glamourdammerung November 15, 2012 at 8:36 pm

If the best you can do is cut and paste your other debunked nonsense, then you really should think about your stances there.

When Israel's government pretends to give a damn about international law, then you can pretend to have a valid point.

But their goal isn't to wipe out every single palestinian.

What they are actually doing in reality contradicts your admittedly uninformed, unreasonable opinion.

And I'm still waiting for anyone to condemn the rocket attacks.

My tax dollars are not paying for those.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 8:36 pm

Umm yeah. That's why I have been deleting my posts. I hate the side of me that comes out when Israel comes up, and I, As I have said, try to get away from any conversation that comes up as soon as possible, until I can calm down.

This was mid anger frenzy. I have a severe reaction to people defnding attempts to kill my familiy, and it overtakes any rational thought I might have.

So you got me.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 8:37 pm

Oh and I don't mean that they are the exclusive ones who are killing civilians. I mean that that is their exclusive goal.

glamourdammerung November 15, 2012 at 8:39 pm

This was mid anger frenzy. I have a severe reaction to people defnding attempts to kill my familiy, and it overtakes any rational thought I might have.

Then stop posting stupidity.

fuflans November 15, 2012 at 10:20 pm

you know what, keep posting man. i like to read what other people think.

and i would FUCKING HATE to think the wonkettes are so…closeminded that they would say there is a [fucking] winner in this argument.

palestine has fucked up international relations for 90+ years. no one is right and no one is an angel.

glamourdammerung November 15, 2012 at 8:40 pm

Oh and I don't mean that they are the exclusive ones who are killing civilians.

That was exactly what you said. Maybe you should actually post your own thoughts instead of copy-pasting garbage.

I mean that that is their exclusive goal.

What do you think the logical outcome of using white phosphorus on civilians and cluster bombing civilian neighborhoods is, exactly?

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 8:42 pm

I copied and pasted that in full to preseve my integrety, because like you rightly pointed out, I am ashamed of what the end says. Both sides are commiting atrocities, but I have explained this over and over, so fuck it.

I get overly passionate and irrational. I hate myself for it, and feel free to mock me. But when people are trying to kill my 5 year old cousin with rockets, I reserve the right to not totally absolve them of guilt, which seems to be what everyone else is doing.

And in case you have forgotten, Israel has agreed to a two state solution on multiple occasions. They want peace. That is all they have ever wanted. Maybe not the right wing fuctktards in power right now, but in general that is it.

Oh and once again, I can't hear you over
"drive them into the sea"

glamourdammerung November 15, 2012 at 8:45 pm

But when people are trying to kill my 5 year old cousin with rockets, I reserve the right to not totally absolve them of guilt, which seems to be what everyone else is doing.

So stop trying to pretend you are morally superior when you admit you do not give a damn if the Israelis make a little lebensraum over in territories they gave their word to withdraw from multiple decades ago.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 8:50 pm

I do give a damn. Do you really think I don't care about people dying? I care about everyone dying, it sickens me.

I just am more angry at the people who are intentionally provoking conflict, than the people who have made attempts at peace.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 8:51 pm

Do you care if people in Israel die?

glamourdammerung November 15, 2012 at 8:54 pm

I just am more angry at the people who are intentionally provoking conflict, than the people who have made attempts at peace.

How cute. You do not know anything about the make up of the current Israeli government or how well they historically follow treaties.

glamourdammerung November 15, 2012 at 8:55 pm

Do you care if people in Israel die?

Yes, which is why I want them to stop picking fights and honor their treaties.

Do you care that they keep escalating this mess whenever their government needs an electoral boost or they just want more land?

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 8:55 pm

Oh. I must have imagined Israel offering a two state solution literally since its inception. My bad.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 8:57 pm

The current makeup is really fucked up right wing. But after a while, people stop caring about what is right, and start caring about staying alive.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 9:30 pm

And I don't give a damn about historical treaties since October 6, 1973.

You act like you are some defender of justice. Like Israel just spawned out of the nether, took all of the Palestinian land, and started killing people for fun.

You wanna know who else broke treaties? Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, everyfuckingbody.

Have you ever heard of a Laylat al-Qadr war?

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 8:58 pm

Hamas fires a barrage of hundreds of rockets.

Man, Israel must have some great mindcontrol technology or something.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 9:04 pm

I'm curious to what you think Israel's goal is.

If it is just mass slaughter, why would they warn civilians ahead of time? Why bother?

glamourdammerung November 15, 2012 at 9:01 pm

Read a book about the 1948 Arab–Israeli War or UNSCR 242 sometime since you clearly have no clue what you are going on about.

glamourdammerung November 15, 2012 at 9:02 pm

But after a while, people stop caring about what is right, and start caring about staying alive.

Sounded better in the original German

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 9:07 pm

That would only apply if a goal of the German Jews had been to kill all the germans. Was that their goal?

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 9:12 pm

Here's the thing. I have yet to see you even slightly condemn Palestine for attacking Israel. You criticized me, rightly so, for placing sole blame on them, but will you at least admit that Israel is not the sole party at blame?

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 9:08 pm

So the UN didn't offer a two state solution when Britain's rule was overthrown?

Is that not true?

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 9:09 pm

Oh right. Un doesn't exist, and the original deal wasn't a two state solution.

solrobins6 November 15, 2012 at 10:34 pm

I hate this. I hate everything about the whole stupid fucking thing.

This is Hamas's charter

The Hamas Charter (or Covenant), issued in 1988, outlined the organization's position on many issues at the time, identifies Hamas as the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine and declares its members to be Muslims who "fear God and raise the banner of Jihad in the face of the oppressors." The charter states "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories,[42] and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.[77][78] The Charter also asserts that through shrewd manipulation of imperial countries and secret societies, Zionists were behind a wide range of events and disasters going as far back in history as the French Revolution. Among the charter's controversial statements is the following: "The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews [and kill them]; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: Oh Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!"[41] The document also quotes Islamic religious texts to provide justification for fighting against and killing the Jews of Israel,[79] presenting the Arab-Israeli conflict as an inherently irreconcilable struggle between Jews and Muslims, and Judaism and Islam,[41] adding that the only way to engage in this struggle between "truth and falsehood" is through Islam and by means of jihad, until victory or martyrdom.[41] The Charter adds that "renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion" of Islam.[80] The charter states that Hamas is humanistic, and tolerant of other religions as long as they do not block Hamas's efforts.[81]

That is who is in charge

And i'm the bigot

glamourdammerung November 15, 2012 at 10:42 pm

If you want to call me "the real bigot" here because I did not answer your obvious strawman questions, feel free. But I am not the one that is having to delete my responses because I was advocating extremely unethical nonsense. I am not the one going on about how one guy saying something lets me think ill of an entire group. I am not the one playing the "some of my best friends are __________" card. I am not the one linking editorial cartoons smearing a group while whining about smear campaigns. And I am not the only having to deliberately lie about the other to pretend I have a point (your false statement about how I am somehow fine with some murders, which is extremely disingenuous after your hours and hours of spewing that you are fine with that exact stance before having to delete comments because people called you on your bullshit).

I gave you the negative attention you clearly craved and even opted to let you have the last word because you clearly have no intention of learning about the subject instead of making knee jerk comments that are more suited for Stormfront than here. But I am done indulging in your foolishness.

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 12:56 am

Yeah I’m going to go ahead and label you the “real bigot” because of comparing my point about necessary survival to nazis.

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 2:02 pm

I'm gonna go with you being the real bigot on this one.

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 10:00 am

"If the Palestinians want to really piss off the Israelis, I would suggest toilet papering their houses."

It isn't a joke. And those rockets DO kill people.

The response by Israel isn't disproportionate to the INTENTIONS of Hamas.

Just because you are bad at being a nazi doesn't make you a better person

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 11:40 am

Yaaay hamas right?

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 1:42 pm

Do you want to trade 1948 war atrocities? I can do that.

sullivanst November 16, 2012 at 1:48 pm

Well apparently you think it's a big deal when Palestinians elect terrorists, but completely unworthy of discussion when Israelis elect terrorists

ETA: it's also mostly there to demonstrate the falsehood of your claim that the Jews only bought land off Palestinians, rather than simply taking it.

ETA again: what part of 1937 was during the 1948 war?

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 1:57 pm

I didn't say ONLY bought. Like I said there were some tensions.

And I fail to see the similarity between electing a government that states as it's goal to as to wipe a certain people off the earth, and whatever it is you linked because it isn't working, but I assume it is some sort of Israeli atrocity.

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 2:06 pm

If your argument is that there should not be a state of Israel in any form right now, then there really will never be peace.

Israel will never go for that, there is no way it will ever happen.

sullivanst November 16, 2012 at 2:28 pm

The Qibya massacre led by Ariel Sharon, and the Sabra and Shatila massacre which the Kahan Commission found Sharon bore "personal responsibility" for allowing to happen. Both links work, but IntenseDebate screws up links in the emails it sends when you get a reply.

On at least five occasions (Begin, Netanyahu twice, and Sharon twice), including 3 of the last 5 elections, Israelis have elected Prime Ministers who believed in expanding the Jewish state to the banks of the Jordan.

It's simply a lie to say that Hamas "states as it's goal to wipe a certain people off the earth". It is true that their charter rejects an Israeli state, but that's an entirely different thing. It's also true that both Ismael Haniyah and Khaled Meshaal have stated that they would accept partition on the basis of the 1967 borders, and Meshaal descsribed the charter as a "piece of history" and "no longer relevant". The claim in the charter to the whole territory is no different to that of the Likud charter.

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 2:32 pm

Doesn't say anything about an eternal struggle against Muslims in there does it?

sullivanst November 16, 2012 at 2:38 pm

Good God almighty you're an idiot. Have fun fucking the corpse of that strawman you continue to fearlessly attack even after learning that it is, indeed, a man of straw.

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 2:41 pm

What strawman?

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 2:45 pm

I'm not going to debate whether or not Israel should exist, and until that issue is no longer what is being discussed, then there can never be peace.

You weren't there. You don't know the history. You think all of this is what, Zionist propaganda?

Most of my grandfather's family died in the Holocaust. His brother died in the fight for Israeli Independence. I'm not sure when specifically, because a few years ago my grandfather passed away, and I never got to ask.

You blame everything on people who you don't know, who lived decades ago.

sullivanst November 16, 2012 at 3:03 pm

The Hamas charter does not say anything about an eternal struggle, either.

solrobins6 November 16, 2012 at 3:06 pm

"For our struggle against the Jews is extremely wide-ranging and grave, so much so that it will need all the loyal efforts we can wield, to be followed by further steps and reinforced by successive battalions from the multifarious Arab and Islamic world, until the enemies are defeated and Allah’s victory prevails. Thus we shall perceive them approaching in the horizon, and this will be known before long: “Allah has decreed: Lo! I very shall conquer, I and my messenger, lo! Allah is strong, almighty.”

I'm pretty sure that means they are in an eternal struggle with Jews until the end of days.

sullivanst November 17, 2012 at 1:16 am

That's because you lack reading comprehension. It's very clear in context they're talking about a territorial battle for Israel, not a campaign of extermination against all Jews. This is a position they have subsequently renounced with both their Prime Minister and their ideological leader stating publicly and clearly that they would accept a two-state solution based on the 1967 borders.

It's amazing what one can do by stripping context. For example, one could create an entirely different impression simply by taking this decontextualized quote from the Hamas Charter:

it is possible for the followers of the three religions – Islam, Christianity and Judaism – to coexist in peace and quiet with each other …

"As to those who have not borne arms against you on account of religion, nor turned you out of your dwellings, Allah forbiddeth you not to deal kindly with them, and to behave justly towards them; for Allah loveth those who act justly."

solrobins6 November 17, 2012 at 10:18 pm

how witty

glamourdammerung November 17, 2012 at 11:29 pm

You are doing it wrong.

You are supposed to cut and paste the same stupid comment multiple times and then accuse people of affiliating with non-Israeli terrorists if they call you on it.

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