first they came for the truthers

NRO Weeps For America’s New Oppressed Minority: Poll Truthers

once unskewed, this is a picture of a white lady shopping at macy'sAfter a month or so of really kind of absurd arguments that every poll in existence was skewed because of liberalism and Nate Silver being a big gay homosexual, we have now come full circle: Jim Geraghty at the National Review has decided that those who criticize morons are basically calling them racists.

So a lot of people who don’t read me that closely are going to look at what follows and interpret it as “Jim’s saying the polls are always wrong.” That’s not what I’m saying, but I’m prefacing all of this with that prediction, because we’ve all seen that when people don’t like what you have to say, they attempt to cut off discussion by calling you insane or silly. Sneering “truther” in response to a disagreement from the conventional wisdom is almost as worn out as “racist.”

Geraghty then proceeds to argue that polls are probably always wrong, which is a totally different argument that his first sentence completely negates. But what about the fact that bold truth-teller Jimmy is basically being called a racist just because he’s kind of innumerate and hackish?

Well, one, it would probably help if Geraghty didn’t work for a publication that had fired like a billion racists this year. In general, when you call someone at the National Review “racist,” it isn’t because you don’t like that they used the term “blacks” instead of “black people,” but because they actually wrote their quick post on how they don’t really like Homeland at a white power rally.

Anyway, let us soothe Jim’s feelings. You are not a poll truther. You are simply a disingenous hack who uses the example of certain polls being wrong at some point in the past to insinuate that every poll you don’t like today is also wrong, which is a completely different thing.

And I’m not calling you a racist either, although the National Review’s “Blackface Watermelon and Grape Juice Obamaphone Halloween Welfare Jamboree” was probably in bad taste.

[National Review]

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215 comments

    1. Generation[redacted]

      The only poll that counts is the Brooks Brothers Riot poll that stops the vote count.

    2. zumpie

      Gallup's usually kinda, sorta, maybe acceptable—except for when they do some ass covering turn around, like now, with Bamz up 1

    3. Willardbot9000_V2.5

      Yes…that's the mantra and it's pretty funny to be honest. Every time I've seen some winger say Romney is ahead, a liberal will say "yeah on Rasmussen" while rolling eyes and without fail the retort will be, "they're the most accurate" which just shows how much wishful thinking these turds engage in. Sure, Rasmussen is the most accurate so long as you ignore university studies on poll accuracy, reports by Gallup, 538.com and Pew which all say Rasmussen deliberately skews wingnut…but hey, what I am saying? If they actually consumed those sources they'd know how stupid such a statement is in the first place so clearly they consume news inside the bubble where Rasmussen is 100,000,000% accurate!!!!1111!!! and everyone else is just a bunch of secret commies…probably ghey, too.

    1. Antispandex

      "Truther" has moved into the rather large category of things (like Nixon's Southern Strategy, the fact that Reagan raised taxes, &c) that the Republicans do not want people to talk about. However, if they must talk about them, they would prefer they at least got the facts wrong.

    2. Willardbot9000_V2.5

      Yeah…I say truther with the same voice and reasoning as when I call Palin a 'tard….not as a sneer, just an objective, factual observation.

      1. Blueb4sinrise

        See, Jim, it's not true that calling you insane or silly cuts-off discussion. It actually promotes discussion.

          1. MittBorg

            (Hugs the Biff fondly) All the Jims I've ever known have been total fucking assholes.

            Not that you couldn't be, too, IRL, but these is teh InterNets, let me pretend!

      1. BaldarTFlagass

        There's something very therapeutic about "asshole," especially when you elongate and accentuate each syllable.

  1. BaldarTFlagass

    Geraghty? Isn't that Irish? Best be careful, Jim, Bill Clinton says you're next on the Romney hitlist.

    1. SigDeFlyinMonky

      I know his type of Irish. Like Hannity and O'Reilly he would have stepped on his own mother's cold corpse to clerk for an English grain exporter during the famine.

          1. mille derps

            My bad- I thought the Buddha-loving part made it clear that they were crack-smoking fascistic Commie Nazis…

  2. Goonemeritus

    I hope Nate Silver is a Homosexual, I would hate to think all those love sonnets I’ve sent him were for naught.

  3. Chet Kincaid_

    Those libtards are so mean, suppressing the Wingnut Vote with liberally-biased reality! We must all shout, in unison, that the polls are flawed to keep turnout engorged!! And burn that feeble, flouncy, Jewy Nate Silver in effigy!

  4. CommieDad

    The polls could all be skewed. Don't sneer! Here's how: Every republican signs a pledge to Grover Norquist saying that they will answer the phone only when they recognize the name on caller ID. Then, if they do not hear FOX News or FOX News Radio iin the background, they hang up.

    1. zumpie

      Yes, while taking one for the team by lurking around yahoo! today, I learned that no coal miners, unemployed women who don't care about abortion (which apparently is "all of 'em, Katie") or evangelists in Ohio or PA have been polled!

      Mittenzzzzz win!!!

        1. zumpie

          Hey, I'm tough. Ironically, THAT wingnut was far from the most insane. I very much enjoyed the fundie Xtian lecturing us all about how she was NOT a backwoods hillbilly, but had a BA (never said what in or where from—I'll guess "being an Xtian" from Bob Jones for $200, Mr. Trebeck)—and how very, very much ruder Dems were than Republicans on blogs.

          Apparently she's never witnessed the trolling on Huffpost or the wingnuts who personally insulted myself, my husband and my daughter (along with a myriad of other Dems) on FB after I posted congratulations on Kitzhaber's page on his 2010 win!

          She even cited how very, very, VERY mean I was: I referred to the former, 1 term Gov as "Mittens"!!!!

          1. MittBorg

            Some whiner on Twitter just whined that Obots are rly rly mean to people like herself, who like to refer to "DemonRats." I has teh amaze.

        1. MittBorg

          Breathe deep. 36 hours, and it'll mostly be over. With any luck, they'll find Jim Geraghty curled in the fetal position under a bridge somewhere, never to be heard saying anything but "Landslide. Barry won in a landslide."

    1. Tundrafig

      I'm sure that he considers himself self self self . . .
      The luckiest man man man . . . .
      On the face of the Earth Earth Earth Earth . . .

  5. mille derps

    I've never seen a blackface watermelon, and I live in the South. Is it just an NRO non-racisty thing?

  6. Doktor Zoom

    Dammit, I can't believe I missed the Blackface Watermelon and Grape Juice Obamaphone Halloween Welfare Jamboree again.

    1. Disassembly

      That's too bad, they called your name at the raffle. Sorry, no Chik-fil-A gift certificate for you!

    2. mille derps

      Possibly now would be a good time to update your calendar to be sure you don't miss the Blackface Watermelon and Grape Juice Obamaphone Thanksgiving Welfare Jamboree.

  7. BaldarTFlagass

    I don't understand that magazine cover. She is a Latina, but they are portraying her as some kind of Hindu guru? Stereotype fail; kinda like when the bigoted guy in Porky's kept calling the Jewish kid a "kite."

        1. MittBorg

          It wasn't a lesson, just a snark. I'm sure you're far better-informed than I, but tell me please what evidence you have for its Hinduism?

          1. BaldarTFlagass

            None whatsoever, just grabbed the closest eastern religion I could find. And it's weird that I didn't say Buddhism, since I watched something about that just this past weekend.

    1. mille derps

      Maybe it's like conflating Hawai'i with Kenya- all foreigners are pretty much alike in their failure to be Real 'Murricans.

      1. MittBorg

        It's very annoying and insulting to have people look one in the eye (as happens to me often, since I could pass for a member of various tribes) and say, "You can't be [insert ethnic of choice]! [Ethnics] don't look like you!"

        I never heard the term "East Indian" until I came here. In this country people ask me if I'm West Indian and when I say no, they say, "Are you East Indian, then?" Wuh. Ethnics of two totally different flavours.

          1. BaldarTFlagass

            I thought West Indians were from, like, the West Indies—Jamaica, Trinidad, etc. East Indian, though, is not a term I have heard much if ever. Wiki says "of the Indian sub-continent," I thought they were called "Southwest Asians." Or Wogs, if you're British.

          2. MittBorg

            Yes. Exactly. West Indians are from the West "Indies," and East Indians are from India. They're referred to as "South Asians," just as Chinese ppl are referred to as "East Asians."

          3. MittBorg

            Brown.

            ETA: One of Australia's foreign ministers back in the '60s achieved instant fame when he "quipped," "Two Wongs don't make a White."

            Charming, eh?

      1. Mumbletypeg

        To recover from previous night's revelry, you suggest?
        NAH, MANG — to celebrate the new PristineODummy AnnObey MitBorg WeedLord BonerHitler-Avatar you're putting finishin touches on, of course!

          1. sewollef

            I know….. thanks :)

            My neighbourhood of Brooklyn was hit by the storm badly. I'm near the Verrazano Bridge and Staten Island. Those winds were terrifying.

            It brought a 60ft (80-year-old tree) crashing onto my house, smashing through the roof shingle and windows of my bedroom. I'm still in shock I think.

          2. mille derps

            At least you're okay. (I am assuming you aren't typing Wonkette snark from Critical Care…)

            Sorry about the house, though- that's gotta be rough.

          3. sewollef

            I was SO angry at the damage, I reached for the nearest bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon I could find…. and goddam it, I gave it a hammering! And the one after that.

            It was pretty distracting though. However, I had to go into work – 'cos god forbid some asshole in Florida [i.e. the client] doesn't get their design on time. Had to use the shuttle bus since the fucking subways went and lost power and were under water underneath the East River.

            There are tales I can tell about that experience too!

          4. mille derps

            It's odd how government officials always seem to leave alcohol off of the emergency supplies lists.

          5. MittBorg

            Oh, man. I'm glad you had a bottle handy. Pretty fucking scary, my friend. So glad you're safe and unharmed. Take it easy, be good to yourself for the next few days. The shock is probably deeper than you realize. I'll never forget the night the oak tree landed on our roof. It was storming and there wasn't a thing we could do about it except lie in the dark, listening to the branches creak and scrape as they slowly slid down the house. Power was out, no heat, no light. If I were there right now, I'd cook you a rib-sticking ragu to warm you up and pour you as much wine as you could drink. Is the house intact, at least?

          6. sewollef

            House is intact. In fact, we were luckier than most it seems, since our damage is minimal compared to Staten island, just a mile away across the Narrows.

            Interestingly, Travelers Home Insurance have a cute caveat to their deductible policy. And I quote:

            A. Hurricane 1 deductible: $1,000
            B. Hurricane 2 and above deductible: $37,525
            [I shit you not]
            C. All other perils deductible: $1,000

            Since Sandy wasn't a Hurricane when it hit Brooklyn, guess what my deductible was? S'right, 'C'.

            Sounds like you've had the same issues I've just gone through too. Oh, and your ragu sounds yummy Mitt [as a veggie I'd forego the meat part tho'].

            And there's no rest for the wicked, librul, socialist. I'm back at work.

  8. Not_So_Much

    No shit, I have a Righty pal who's only source is some Reagan-based blog. (Anything else is obviously biased bullshit.) According to Ghost Reagan, Mittens will with the Electoral College by more than a 100 electoral votes. If anything else happens, the Teahaddists will be totes justified in shooting the rest of us in the face. For democracy.

      1. MittBorg

        I totes agree, but lots of folks have kids at home, and under those circs … seems like the tighty-whitie-rightie set don't mind if a couple or more of their young'uns buy the farm, since they pump 'em out by the dozen, but us libtrads like to pop one or two at most and nurture them like a fucking cuckoo in the nest.

  9. ChillBill

    According to Wingnuts, we are the real racists because we refuse to vote for a party that is 90% White. No snark; they say this without any sense of irony of self-awareness.

  10. Callyson

    I went to that NRO article and sure enough, it was the usual "polls undersample GOP voters" line, coupled with "look how these polls missed the mark" examples. Sure, it's possible to cherry-pick some surveys that ended up being inaccurate, but if you take the *aggregate* of the polls they have a much better track record.

    Or, you can whine about how "truther" is the new "racist." Yeah, go with that plan…

    /obligatory FFS

  11. SorosBot

    "Racist" would only be worn out if right-wing dickholes like the National Review employs would stop being giant fucking flaming racists.

  12. SoBeach

    Yep. Every poll is wrong. Deliberately wrong. That's how these polling firms stay in business — getting things wrong.

  13. CommieDad

    All you have to do, actually, to make a Republican Win a 98% probability is to skew every single poll 3 points in Romney's favor. That's it! Landslide!

  14. prommie

    The GOP really should start calling itself the CDP, the Cognitive Dissonance Party. They eased into the reality-denial racket, I suppose, with that famously remarked on search for the moral justification for greed. But now, the denial of unpleasant realities seems to be the entire raison d'etre of conservatisim. It is an entire ideology that is now based entirely on the philosphical version of putting your fingers in your ears and screaming "I can't hear you I can't hear you" over and over. They have painted themselves into the wrongness corner so thoroughly that they have nothing else left.

    1. FakaktaSouth

      From the "Scientific American" article "Antiscience Beliefs Jeopardize U.S. Democracy"

      "By falsely equating knowledge with opinion, postmodernists and antiscience conservatives alike collapse our thinking back to a pre-Enlightenment era, leaving no common basis for public policy. Public discourse is reduced to endless warring opinions, none seen as more valid than another. Policy is determined by the loudest voices, reducing us to a world in which might makes right—the classic definition of authoritarianism."

        1. FakaktaSouth

          Whattya mean? It's got yelling, authoritarian dominance and sticking things in other things, how is that not HAWT? I know I'm all worked up. The sext is in where you find it.

      1. prommie

        Shit, this is exactly where I was going with this, they have gone from denying the validity of the data on global warming, to flat out denying the validity of science itself because they failed at their attempt to criticize from within the framework of science. And now that they are denying science itself, the religious freaks who literally and truly do want to roll back the enlightenment itself have been loosed from their cages to run gibbering and slavering through the streets. They deny that rape is rape, for fucks sake.

          1. Chet Kincaid_

            McCartney was Clever, and Lennon was Serious. Even after they stopped writing together, they still rubbed off on each other. After the split, McCartney became unmoored in frivolity, and Lennon's musical sensibilities turned obvious and sentimental. This has been your 30-Second Music Critic.

          2. doloras

            Thanks for pointing that out. I'm sick of the people who call John a genius and Paul a hack for no better reason than Paul had the misfortune not to be murdered and thus had to keep going on a career.

    2. Wile E. Quixote

      We have to figure out better ways to get these losers to auto-Darwinate. Perhaps the next time there's a hurricane that's headed for a red state we should spread a rumor that the storm is a fake and the government is urging all of the white people to evacuate so they can put them in FEMA camps and give their properly to illegal immigrants from Mexico, who are also ghey Muslims.

  15. BigSkullF*ckingDog

    OT – There are cranky right wingers on my Facebook whining about how their vote doesn't count cause they live in "Wershingtin". So a person's vote only "counts" when they get their way. I know 4 year olds with more mature worldviews than that.

    1. BadKitty904

      I know 4-year-olds who'd DEFINITELY get a switchin' if they threw some of the tantrums and generally pulled some of the pre-grade-school dumbfuckery the wingnutters have come up with in the course of this campaign…

  16. Oblios_Cap

    If it's published by NR, I just assume it's a lie or some other form of bullshit. I've never been wrong yet.

  17. SexySmurf

    Serious question: What's the point of this "unskewered" poll shit, anyways? Doesn't it just give Republicans another reason not to waste their time voting for Mittens?

  18. Mumbletypeg

    I tried reading Geraughty's lengthy post, but overscrolled down and ended up instead opting for Jane Kaczsmarek Mommie Makeover ("Videos We ♥") because I hadn't realized she divorced the Democratic Party when she divorced Josh Lyman.

  19. Mittens Howell, III

    Where only using 'Truther' till Tuesday night, after that we're switching to 'NaNa NaNa Boo Boo'

  20. mille derps

    I'm just hoping that the NRO readers actually believe that Mitt has the election won so handily that they need not bestir themselves to vote.

  21. Zango Crudmonger

    Having perused young Jim's article, I now know of the Shy Tory Factor, which is much different than Shy Toy Factory, which is how I first read it. Perhaps something to do with toys hiding in unmarked packages when delivered? Anyway, doubt we in the states would ever be so lucky to experience the Shy Teabagger Factor, although we can hope.

  22. BadKitty904

    For some reason, my Granddad's good, ol' Southern expression, "Crazy as a rat in a tin can," keeps coming to mind…

  23. TootsStansbury

    Last time I stretched and twisted as much as this guy is doing, I developed quite the hitch in my get along. He should be careful.

  24. Steverino247

    OT: The Poll Martyrs High School Unskewers beat the Morse Science Technical School Equations to win the County Football Championship!

  25. fuflans

    So a lot of people who don’t read me that closely are going to look at what follows and interpret it as “Jim’s saying the polls are always wrong.”

    i don't read you jim, not closely, not far away, not yesterday, not now, not ever.

    still i know you're always wrong.

    1. Gleem McShineys

      I do not like your shit you write
      I do not like your shit at night
      I do not like it near or far away
      I did not like it yesterday
      I do not like your shit with oats
      Therefore fuck you Jim, with votes.

  26. MissTaken

    If it looks like a racist, swims like a racist, and trolls like a racist, then it probably is a racist

  27. GeorgiaBurning

    I'm expecting Arizona to announce their secession by Saturday, which should mean the staff at MCAS Yuma spend a busy weekend plotting the bombing runs over Phoenix for Monday morning. Sit tight, Gov Brewer.

      1. MittBorg

        If AZ secedes, they'll find out mighty quick that Mexico is a large, well-armed neighbour and no longer afraid of retaliation from the US Govt.

  28. SayItWithWookies

    One other point: the exit pollsters [in 2004] were disproportionately collegiate women. Raise your hand if you think some men might be willing to tell a cute college coed that they voted for Kerry. Yup, me too.

    So conservatives are more willing to lie to cute chicks, even if the contact is so incidental there's no possibility of getting tail? Gotcha. Or maybe they're just too ashamed of their candidates to admit voting for them.

  29. Antispandex

    EVERYONE knows that there is no such thing as a racist Reapublican (because of Lincoln, civil war, &c), and that polls always favor them unless the "Democrat Party" lies about them. Jeeze, that's just common sense….to Republicans.

  30. Toomush_Infer

    So at least and last, tomorrow, the truth will set us free….at last, thank God…..I'm ready for the argument on what happens if we don't give the military all our muniez….

  31. christianmuslin

    Should Mitt 'scrotum sweat' Romnoidectomy win tomorrow with his policies of reduce federal spending, reduce taxes for the rich, while increasing military spending, those red states up the middle (texas to north dakota) should really enjoy their reduced farm subdidies.

  32. lulzmonger

    Obvious troll is obvious.

    Frau Doktor Maddow made the interesting observation that the GOP always campaigns in some whackdoodle state like PA the day before an election for POTUS – basically saying "look out, we're not just going to hold our regular Red states – we're taking your Blue ones too" … but that honorable old ritual of bullshittery is off the menu because Willard can't afford to do that kind of bluffing now.

    Meanwhile, the Romney 2012 campaign just announced that its new deadline for campaign contributions is December 31st.

    Selah.

  33. marechanden

    Relax, NRO, I'm not refusing to vote for Full of ShMitt because he's the whitest white guy who ever whited.

    I'm refusing to vote for Full of ShMitt because he's the lyingest liar who ever lied.

  34. Wile E. Quixote

    Yes, any lead that President Obama has in the polls is completely illusory because of the Bradley Effect. No one is really going to vote for President Obama, they're just telling Nate Silver that because otherwise he'll call them racists.

  35. ttommyunger

    Relax, Jim. I suffered through eight years of Idiot Child Bush; you'll survive eight years of Barry. Shit, his reelection will mean you and the Limbaugh types will fucking thrive.

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