For Once We're Rooting For The CIA Guys

Intelligence Community Points Out Fox Was Kinda Lying About Benghazi This Whole Time

Oh, yeah, it's ONAs you may have noticed, the Wingnut Noise Machine is seriously pushing the notion that President Obama deliberately sat back and did nothing when a Libyan militia attacked the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi on Sept. 11, apparently because he is either incompetent (the “charitable” view) or because he just plain hates America that much (the “reasonable doubt exists” view). It turns out that, according to intelligence officials, CIA agents stationed in Benghazi actually did come to the aid of the Consulate, as did a second CIA team sent from Tripoli, and Libyan military forces helped the surviving Americans get to the airport to escape after the attack. The officials also directly refuted Fox News’ claims that the CIA was ordered to “stand down,” and also dismissed the notion that airstrikes could have helped anyone in the consulate:

“Let’s say we were able to get an aircraft there. Do you go in and start strafing a populated area without knowing where friend or foe is?” a senior Defense official asked. “If you did that, you could kill the very people you are trying to help.”

Also, too, in the buried lede department, a New York Times story on the attack suggests that the intelligence officials briefing the press may have been just as interested in bureaucratic ass-covering as in slapping down the right-wing narrative:

By underscoring the C.I.A.’s previously unpublicized role in mobilizing the evacuation effort, the officials seemed to be implicitly questioning the State Department’s security arrangements in Benghazi

In any case, the NYT account points out that the CIA presence in Benghazi “appears to have been much more significant than publicly disclosed.” While the story does not directly address how this may have played into the Obama administration’s public discussions of the event, we will go out on a limb and speculate that the administration just might have been initially quiet after Benghazi because it didn’t want to expose just how big the CIA presence there was. Yes, we know, crazy talk — Occam’s Razor demands the simplest explanation, which is that Obama is a Manchuran Candidate bent on destroying America, and he just sat back and laughed while watching brave Americans die.

Or maybe he just let the Consulate burn because that’s where all his college records were stored.

[Think Progress / LAT / NYT / Media Matters]

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354 comments

      1. sullivanst

        I believe the lawsuit they won found that they were within their rights to compel their contributors to lie.

    1. AnAmericanInTO

      Oh, Christie is a foul weather friend. Once the federal check clears, he'll be back to being the loud-mouthed lump of adipose tissue that we know and hate.

      1. tessiee

        Or maybe not?
        I never held an especially high opinion of Gov. Christie, but people can change, especially after they've been through a crisis.
        I guess we shall see.

        1. MittBorg

          I'm with Tessiee on this. Christie always struck me as an arrogant asshole, but the Christie I saw after the storm hit was an exhausted man on his feet from sheer will power, looking like he'd seen all the horrors life has to offer. He doesn't look like he's ate, rested, or slept in days. He *could* be faking it, and I dislike him enough to think that occasionally, but when I force myself to be fair, I think Gov. Christie has earned any kudos coming his way in his management of the crisis. He's doing everything like he FEELS it. Contrast with Michael Bloomberg who publicly endorsed Obama but was willing to let the NYC Marathon take place regardless of how folks in Staten Island feel about it, and his complete lack of concern for the folks at Sheepshead Bay.

          1. tessiee

            I agree with your agreement with my post.

            My mother (now retired), my sister, three of my girl cousins, and two of my best friends are teachers, and they hate Chris Christie — and I don't mean they sorta dislike him a little bit, I mean they hate him with a burning falkland passion. I've heard nothing the least bit positive about him, ever.

            That having been said, whatever kind of person Chris Christie was two weeks ago, now he is making a herculean effort to actually help the people who are suffering. The change may persist after the crisis is over, and it may not — but helping people who are suffering, by definition, makes you a better person.

          2. tessiee

            Yes, everyone's OK, thank you.
            I'm in Portland, Oregon.
            My parents, sister, cousins, friends (mostly within 10 miles or so of Manhattan), are all OK, though some are still without power.
            Even the cousins who live down the shore are OK, although the last couple years worth of work they put into fixing up a rental house have pretty much disappeared.
            Thanks for asking, Sweetie.

          3. MittBorg

            (Hugs you) Glad to hear everyone's alright. Stuff is just stuff. You can always make/buy/get it back. It's a bit harder with people, innit?

            Thanks. Gotta go be a relay person for the Sandy rescue now. :)

          4. tessiee

            Try saying, "I hate that guy with a burning falkland passion!" in a thick NY/NJ accent a la Joe Pesci, and the meaning may become clearer.

          5. Chet Kincaid_

            Christie gets no goodwill for his entire body of work from me while he is in the party he is in, advocating the policies he does. Getting all sentimental about him without any evidence of any difference in his core beliefs is naive. We don't owe him any more than "thanks for signing the FEMA checks."

          6. tessiee

            Chet, I don't believe I expressed any sentimental thoughts about Gov. Christie. I agree that he's been an ass up until now. I know nothing of his core beliefs — in fact, I made a specific point of saying, "The change may persist after the crisis is over, and it may not" — but I'm willing to give him credit for his actions.

            That having been said, your goodwill is certainly yours to withhold or bestow, just as you see fit.

          7. Designer_Rants

            Just things like his Teacher's Union Busting or refusing federal funds to make a new train line from NJ to Manhattan (sorely needed, as I understand it – and would have created some jerbs for a while), are enough for me to think Christie would have to turn over some serious leafs for a long time in order to erase that legacy.

          8. malsperanza

            Giuliani was excellent during and after 9/11. He was visible, he was organized, he communicated clearly and effectively. We knew what we could do to be helpful and what we shouldn't do. No one panicked. The bridges and tunnels were not clogged with terrified New Yorkers fleeing the city. He went to the site the next day, when Bush was cowering in a bunker in Idaho or someplace–and B didn't even speak to the nation, much less NYC, til 9/13. I loathe Giuliani, but I give him props for dropping his odious politics during the worst of the crisis. I was grateful for his good work during a very tough time for the city–and for the sense that he was loyal to the city, and thinking about New York, not just the national implications. Sometimes people do step up.

            Of course, within a few weeks he was back to being repellent and horrible. Which is why when he market-tested a run for the Senate it totally fizzled. New Yorkers weren't buying it. And when he later market-tested a run for the presidency, New York responded with a resounding Fuck No.

            Christie may have more staying power. And some of his actions last week may have been made with 2016 in mind. But I think it was mostly sincere, and it was very welcome to the stressed and battered people of the region.

  1. YerMa

    Whatever, Bamz is still an atheist communist Muslim from Kenya who is a disciple of Rev Wright and that Ayers terrorist.

    Also, ACORN.

      1. YerMa

        They still have the Fast and Furious and Solyndra thingies.

        Beck's got hundreds more conspiracies where that came from, libtards.

        1. C_R_Eature

          Hey, Weej. I came through just fine, thanks for asking, but some friends are flooded out, everyone up in NJ is out of power still and all the places on the Jersey Shore I knew are washed away.
          It will be a long road back.

          1. UW8316154

            C_R_E – I thought of you this morning, as there is a horrific story and picture of a jerk hunting giant octopus off Alki Beach in Seattle. It is so wrong. These are wonderful, peaceful c_r_eatures that are native to the area. The response, however, is likely to be an underwater sanctuary for these wonderful animals. I was rather surprised one wasn't already in place.

          2. C_R_Eature

            Hey, thanks – you're the second one to tel me this news story! I think a Marine Sanctuary area is an excellent idea for them.

          3. tessiee

            "all the places on the Jersey Shore I knew are washed away."

            I can't believe the boardwalk is gone.
            OK, it's silly, it's trivial, it doesn't compare to human lives being lost or ruined…
            But it was every summer of my childhood, and there's something so shocking and unreal about seeing it just… gone.

          4. C_R_Eature

            Thank you. I was Enraged at Katrina (after the hit: before I had the terrible feeling that the storm in the Gulf would be Very Bad) and, when the BP oil spill first hit the Salt Marshes I broke down and cried. That doesn't happen often.

          5. C_R_Eature

            Sure, the loss of people is clearly more important than things, but that doesn't diminish the impact on you (or me), an impact that's nether silly nor trivial. Loss is loss and when a special place or thing you love is lost or destroyed it takes a swath of your past and a piece of your heart with it.

            This one's really incredible, too. Places like Mantoloking, Lavalette, Ortley, Seaside Heights and Park went from vibrant, fun, middle-class beach towns to a collection of empty ruins in the sand over two days.

            I was exhausted and dozing off last night and I swear I started seeing street scenes from Seaside Park, in summer and undamaged, as I last knew it. Like seeing faces of the dead. There's your emotional impact.

          6. tessiee

            We went to Seaside Heights/Ortley Beach every summer (Eisenhower Avenue, to be exact; right behind the A&P supermarket). I was thinking not too long ago how it's been decades since I had a frozen custard from Kohr's. Somebody posted on facebook how the lemonade stand with the big lemon on top was gone, and I had that sick, hollow feeling in my stomach like somebody punched me hard enough to knock all the wind out of me.

            When I finally got ahold of my parents on the phone yesterday, Dad said the Surf Club had been washed away. I joked, "Now where will I pick up sleazy lounge lizard guys?", because humor is one of the ways I deal with bad things — but I had the same sick feeling.

            It's gone.
            It's all gone.

          7. redarmyzombie

            I'm so sorry about your loss, Tessie. I know it's not much consolation now, but the good new about lost things is that sometimes, they have ways of coming back.

          8. C_R_Eature

            Oh, I know those places well. I grew up summers in Normandy Beach and until recently had a little bungalow in the Park. I've seen the post storm aerial imagery and I know for a fact both places flooded extensively and will probably be condemned. Toms River flooded. Toms River! That's where everybody runs to.

            If there's any bright side at all (reaching here) is that IBSP and its pavillions look as if they weathered the passage well with no blowouts and the secondary dunes seem intact. A lot of houses in South SSP look fine too and the hotel on the beach at Midway is still there.

            And Also: Rebuilding will come. There will be a boardwalk, there will be rides, there will be new houses, hotels, restaurants and bars. That's what those towns are for.
            Things change, but some things stay the same. There will always be the Atlantic, the Beach, seaside towns, tourists and, yes, places to pick up Sleazy Guys. There will always be Sleazy Guys too.

          9. mille derps

            Speaking of rebuilding, have a look at the history of Charleston, SC after Hurricane Hugo. All that insurance money let people fix up their places real nice. And Conde Nast Traveler readers just voted it as the top city in the world to visit.

            Don't spend too much time thinking about who reads CNT, 'cause that might kinda ruin the moral of the story, y'know?

          10. C_R_Eature

            Yeah, thanks – forgot all about Hugo!

            When you live in a beach town, you live with that knowledge that some day the Ocean will come to get you.

            But it is true that people rebuild. The call of the ocean is a strong one.

          11. MosesInvests

            After 9/11, I was horrified at the loss of life, but a small part of me was thinking "Damn, there was that time in college when I went with friends to have drinks at Windows on the World." IOW, I know the feeling.

  2. viennawoods13

    Sigh. YES, Faux News, the death of those men in the embassy was tragic, but dammit, that was 6 weeks ago, and aren't there other things to talk about? Like, how the (R) governor of NJ is praising the (D) president? Or how Nate Silver has the odds of an Obama win back up to 83.7%? Or that the October jobs report was pretty darn good?

    Oh, wait…. never mind.

    1. BlueStateLibel

      Also, it appears the UAW and two other groups are filing suit against Rmoney for illegally profiteering off the auto bailout. That will be fun to talk about.

      1. tessiee

        Do you think that having criminal charges brought against him will hurt Romney's chances of buying the election? Because for sure it won't embarrass him.

        Also, I [ahem] posted this in two different threads yesterday, and IndianaKevin responded to one of those posts, saying that he had searched for the story, and there was little to no coverage of it in any of the mainstream "liberal media". Surprise, surprise.

    2. Negropolis

      It's not the time removed from the attack. There are still important issues to be sorted out in terms of this attack, completely legitimate questions that need to be answered. The problem is that they aren't addressing any of the legitimate questions or issues and using the attack for purely political gain in the most cynical way.

      That they are talking about this isn't a problem. In fact, I think this is way more important than the horserace things you brought up. Benghazi IS still important; they just aren't doing the issue any justice and are so disingenuous about their motives as to be plainly offensive to anyone with half a brain.

      1. viennawoods13

        I agree that it is a much more important, substantive issue, which should be discussed. But this is the Squirrel! network, that usually bounds on to the next fluffy, damaging thing about Obama as fast as they can. That they can't come up with anything shows how desperate they are to avoid the reality of what's happening with the race in its final week.

  3. C_R_Eature

    No One Could Have Predicted… that Nixon Administration Alumnus Roger Ailes' Partisan Media Organization would try to take Partisan advantage of a Democratic President in an Election season by making up facts about a terrible international tragedy.

    I never listen to FOX. Whenever I want the truth, I always ask Tentacle Pony.

    1. eggsacklywright

      OT – did you see where a couple of asshole scuba divers in Seattle killed a mommy octopus in Puget Sound? There's a movement afoot to make the area a sanctuary now. Sad.

      1. C_R_Eature

        No, I didn't see that. Bastards. These guys will be the first ones against the wall when the Cephalopod Revolution comes.

          1. C_R_Eature

            Hey, so wait – the Giant Pacific Octopus is a Managed species and regulated taking is legal? I couldn't do it – because they're too smart – even though I've hunted and fished all my life, but it sounds like these guys' real crime was doing it in a very popular public dive natural area. That's like going into a petting zoo and shooting Bambi. They're selfish idiots and deserve to be mocked and Shunned.

            I've got real problems with killing these things for sport but if the Fisheries pros have a fishing season open on Giant pacific Octopus they must have good population abundance and reproduction data on them. So they're not a classified Threatened Species.

            Even so, I couldn't kill one. Not for sport, in any case.

      1. C_R_Eature

        Coincidentally, Nate Silver has it at 83% that a Romney win will signal the beginning of the Cephalopocalypse.

    2. tessiee

      Judging by your avatar pic, I can only guess that you ask Tentacle Pony because she's your niece…
      um, he's your nephew?

  4. BadKitty904

    "Look, if you're going to be rational and cite facts and stuff, we'll never get that blah outta the White House."

      1. MittBorg

        (scoff!) Sometimes?

        Reading some stories of revolutionary hijinks in various wars right now, all actual real-life shit, and wondering about the incredible courage of those lone individuals who bravely pit themselves against overwhelming forces. When the other side holds all the power and has the spies and traitors infiltrated everywhere, whom do you trust? And how do you know whom to trust?

          1. Tundra Grifter

            Is that the thing Bull O'Really? ranted about when he was trying to have phone sex with that poor woman?

    1. Tundra Grifter

      I think this is a combination of the GNoP and the FoxPAC trying to Swift Boat President Obama and get back at the Democrats for making such a fuss over the coverup of the shooting of Pat Tillman.

      The "Conservatives" continue to be captured in an infinite payback loop.

  5. BaldarTFlagass

    "The officials also directly refuted Fox News’ claims that the CIA was ordered to “stand down,”

    Yeah, like the CIA takes orders from the President. Right.

    1. tessiee

      It's not so much that the CIA refuted it, it's that the average Fox viewer becomes hopelessly confused over the phrase "Stand down".

    2. AngryBlakGuy

      …"which is that Obama is a Manchuran Candidate bent on destroying America, and he just sat back and laughed while watching brave Americans die."

      FAKE!!! We all know Barack HUSSEIN Obama masturbates to the thought of Americanz dying!!!

  6. deanbooth

    OT: This is a very interesting take on how the Republican party has become a mere money con, a way to gather the rubes for fleecing. Lying is just a way to show that you are one with the tribe. (Krugman linked to it.)

    1. BadKitty904

      Watch how fast the left-over Rmoney PAC funds disappear, post-election, if you don't believe it. My bf suspects they're not spending the HUGE pile o' campaign cash they're sitting on because they're planning to "liberate" it after Rmoney gets his ass handed to him…

      1. Callyson

        Ah, I was wondering why Obama has been able to keep up in the ad wars. Your BF's explanation makes perfect sense.

        1. tessiee

          It's the face my cats used to make when I dished out the special expensive prescription cat food from the veterinarian.

        2. BadKitty904

          Aww, thank you. There's a number of avatars on here that affect me the same way.

          I wish you that pic in a bigger format – that's one seriously bad-ass kitty…

    2. LibertyLover

      Got a robo campaign call just yesterday from the Romney crowd asking for more $$$ saying they had raised 800K but needed at least 1.2 million more $$$ to fight Obama …

    3. cousinitt

      Thx for The Long Con–great writing and man, what a horror story. Of course, Glenn Beck was only one of the more high profile con men of late to suck up the sludge and make millions. After Obama's reelection, what will they think of next?

    4. MittBorg

      VERY interesting indeed. Thank you very much. Please feel free to cite anything else you might have in your treasure troves that is equally insightful and will help penetrate the current media fog.

  7. boskolives

    Once again you've failed to acknowledge the obvious value that Fox provides (and for free!!!).
    If you're ever unsure on what your position should be on any given politician or issue, simply take the Fox view on it and then flip it 180 degrees.
    Poof, there you are. Next question?

    1. LibertyLover

      Except for the Silkwood shower you would have to take after having to watch Fox Snooze, that's not a bad plan.

    2. tessiee

      This also works with the bibble thumpers.
      I was filling in my ballot the other day, and one of the items was a referendum on some casino they were trying to build somewhere.
      I don't usually go to casinos, and I wasn't especially well-informed about the issues pertaining to this one.
      Then I remembered that the Christopaths HATE casinos, and everything they think, do, and say is both wrong and destructive.
      Easy peasy!

  8. YerMa

    On Bush's watch, there were 12 attacks on US diplomatic facilities.

    Oh wait, he isn't a blah.

    Also, thanks, Rebecca, my IP has been released!!! Yay!!

    1. Negropolis

      Well, because you know that eventually, your lifeforce will be gleaned from you for his sustenance.

  9. grendelg001

    If Obamz had given more details about the CIA operations they'd have accused him of leaking state secrets and undermining national security.

  10. Blueb4sinrise

    “If you did that, you could kill the very people you are trying to help.”
    Later on Fux Newz, a former senior Defense Dept. official responded, "So what's your point?"

    Ya know, I guess I sometimes tell myself that the CIA / DoD / State stuff is kinda complicated and my automatic pinko- lieberal disgust and mistrust is not always the right analysis……..BUT……..it's still there, Barack or not.

  11. salt_bagel

    This black president's unwillingness to strafe populated areas willy-nilly has rubbed off on our CIA, which is the designated strafing branch of our military.

  12. Goonemeritus

    When you stop to consider how big the annual CIA budget is, it troubles me that it took more than a month to suss out that Fox News is lying.

    1. MittBorg

      It would seem *certain categories* of government employees are given to charging the taxpayer astronomical amounts merely to do nothing, or the closest equivalent thereof. Witness, for example, our good Paul Ryan who, in his 12 years as a Congresscritter, has worked on exactly FOUR bills. Two to name post offices or buildings, one to give Chinese manufacturers of wooden arrows a tax break, and one to restrict women's access to abortion. At $175K/pa, that works out to over half a million dollars per bill.

      1. Goonemeritus

        My point isn't that they're lazy or not smart. What pissed me off is they let the right stack straw-man ontop of straw-man for 6 weeks. Look at the average Wonkettier, we are basically a collection of middle aged sexual deviants and we know Fox lies.

        1. HistoriCat

          It took them 2 days to analyze everything and another day to complete the report. The rest of the time was for redacting process, so that not classified information gets released; for instance, they probably don't want anyone to know the CIA is in Libya.

    2. Negropolis

      Well, the CIA is a secretive intelligence agency, which means you wouldn't exactly expect them to talk, at all. And, well, that, and the CIA has been imperious and dickish for ages.

    1. Negropolis

      Still WAY too much potential collateral damage. There was no way this thing could have been solved on the air. If there is any blame to be laid, here, it's too planners for security before the attack.

        1. Negropolis

          I'll admit it went totally over my head, so much so that I tried to go back and edit my post before you got to it figuring it was some call-back that I'd missed from an earlier thread. lol

          1. ttommyunger

            I'm thinking it's only a matter of time before they are in common use Stateside for “Homeland Security”. They are just way too cheap, easy, guilt-free and no one on the Government side ever gets their hands dirty (or injured).

          2. Negropolis

            They are already flying them over the US-Canadian border here in Michigan, where they've also set up a security border of high-resolution cameras. Over in Sarnia (across from Port Huron), a group got together to protest the move by the United States by mooning the drones.

            It's only a matter of time before they arm them.

  13. BarackMyWorld

    OK…seriously, the My Little Pony and anime pics are gettin' a little tiresome. Dr.Zoom's writing is top notch, but the graphics not so much.

    1. Arkoday

      That 'girls on a beach' anime was okey dokey. Tiring, maybe; tiresome, not so much.
      I'm Ok with killing the ponies. (with votes, naturelment)

          1. MittBorg

            Ah, it's my little cephalopod pal! Those pig vids were utterly hideous, fella, you sure know how to turn a stomach. I had no idea sea lice were so … efficient.

            (Hugs the CRE)

    2. BlueStateLibel

      Wonkette has a history of displaying photos that require eye bleach after viewing – need I mention fat guy in front of PC? – so ponies are a welcome respite.

    3. glamourdammerung

      OK…seriously, the My Little Pony and anime pics are gettin' a little tiresome.

      I endorse this statement, product, and/or service.

      1. tessiee

        I got a completely disproportionate enjoyment out of the part of the debate where President Obama said, disgustedly, "Oh, will you stop with the 'apology tour' already!".

  14. Guppy

    the administration just might have been initially quiet after Benghazi because it didn’t want to expose just how big the CIA presence there was.

    Robert Novak: still dead.

  15. slaunchwise

    wonkette, you beautiful thing you. You used the word 'lede' (spelled correctly) *and* Occam's Razor in the same post. Let's play house.

  16. LibertyLover

    If any of the Right wing news talkers said anything nice about a Democrat, the world would slide off it's axis and go spinning out into space.

    1. Geminisunmars

      You will know that the Mayan prediction is about to occur when the right wing starts to speak the truth. So the good news is, the end of the world is not nigh.

  17. natl_[redacted]_cmdr

    That lady in Ohio sees drones everywhere so obvs the CIA is all-powerful and therefore stood down bcz Obama's a Muslim atheist Buddhist.

  18. weejee

    Sounds like Fox is looking to resurrect the we had to destroy the village in order to save it schtick. They think Barry shoulda Ben Tre-ed Benghazi. Commemorative Hooch Burnin' Zippos will be passed-out at halftime.

    1. MosesInvests

      Don't have to go back to 'Nam. How about Fallujah? A few mercenary scum get killed, so the Marines use artillery to turn the city into a parking lot.

  19. OneYieldRegular

    Perhaps Barack Obama didn't want to expose clandestine CIA operatives because he knew Darrell Issa would do it for him?

  20. gullywompr

    Well Dok, I'm watching Fox right now, and it turns out that you are lying – Benghazi is still a clusterfuck of top government officials deciding to do nothing and let those folks die. Go ahead, turn it on and watch, you'll see.

  21. Badonkadonkette

    I'm less liberal than many of my fellow Wonketeers, which is to say, I think Bradley Manning is a dick. But any reasonable person knows it's a travesty that Manning's in pretrial confinement facing capital charges while Darrell Issa and other Republicans in Congress are enjoying cushy committee positions (to say nothing of the fucking terrorists at Fox News) for doing exactly the same thing that Manning did.

    Oh I'm sorry was there supposed to be some snark there? No, I have no snark for shitstains who sell out their countrymen for the mere possibility of marginal political gain. Fuckwads.

      1. weejee

        "Iran-Contra"

        Since Ronbo is still in the crypt (we hope) isn't that a little bit North of Ollie? Though there is historical precedence to do a Cromwell and dig-up Ronnie and hang the corpse.

    1. Serolf_Divad

      Selling out their country for marginal political gain is their modus operandi. Can you say Valerie Plame? How about: block every measure that might spur economic growth in order to harm the president's re-election chances?

    2. glamourdammerung

      I am pretty moderate myself and honestly, I am wondering why Issa and the other treasonous clowns are going to have their security clearances yanked as their "leaks" are a repeated pattern of behavior.

  22. mustangsavvy

    At what point do we reach critical mass in Conservative Fuck-witted-ness? Because I'm really getting fucking sick to hell of their shit.

    Great sarcastic quote from CIA official. It's good to know we have people in the intelligence community who'd as soon NOT start shooting into a fucking crowd from a fucking aircraft because some dickless wonder on Fox News needs to feel big and tough about America. Fucking hell these people should be tried for treason.

    Hmmm…..I'm kinda in a shit mood this morning. Is it obvious? =D

  23. MacRaith

    “If you did that, you could kill the very people you are trying to help.”

    It's always been the GOP line that we should kill as many innocent people as necessary to defeat the terrorists. Sure, the ambassador would still be dead if we'd ordered air strikes, but at least he would have been killed by friendly fire.

    So remember, when President Romney orders your death, just go along with it. Otherwise you're letting the terrorists win.

  24. JustPixelz

    On 9/11 Bush "stood down" by sitting with school children to listen to "The Pet Goat" while thousands of Americans died. The GOPee'ers call that "keeping America safe".

    1. cognachas4paws

      I like the only comment there blaming Democrats, completely ignoring all of the GOP-led voter suppression efforts. How can people be that stupid?

    2. natl_[redacted]_cmdr

      Goddamn these fuckwits. They know they've got nothing to run on, their policies are shit. They know they can't win in a fair fight so they lie, cheat and steal to win. Real fucking patriotic to suppress or intimidate legal voters. Why do they hate America so much?

      1. mille derps

        They hate America because it flat-out refuses to conform to their ideals of how America should look and act.

    1. MittBorg

      I made a Pineapple Surprise, oncet. The Pineapple was probably more surprised than any of the intended victims, who resolutely refused to take a slice, despite much urging.

  25. BoroPrimorac

    “Let’s say we were able to get an aircraft there. Do you go in and start strafing a populated area without knowing where friend or foe is?”

    Fox News pundit: Fuck Yeah! They're all muslim terrorists anyhow.

  26. Tundra Grifter

    Right wing nutz don't use Occam's Razor. They use "Macco's Razor" (c) 2012, Tundra Grifter Enterprises.

    The most complicated conspiracy theory is always the correct answer.

  27. Steverino247

    Republicans love America because she's an easy lay who quickly forgets how badly she was treated the last time she went to bed with them.

  28. tessiee

    Once again, assbook tops itself with some random guy commenting, "Where was Obama in Benghazi? Where was Obama during Hurricane Sandy?"

    I usually ignore stuff like that, because nothing anyone says would make a difference to people like that anyway… but really? During *Hurricane Sandy*?

    My response:
    "Are you serious? "Where was Obama during Hurricane Sandy?" Have you not turned on a television or looked at a newspaper or the internet during the entire past week? President Obama has been right next to Governor Christie all along, reaching out to help people. They both behaved like gentlemen and put solving the problem ahead of their political differences. What did you expect the President to do, anyway? Stand in front of the actual storm and order it to go blow on some other country? Ass."

    1. JustPixelz

      Shorter version: "Ass".

      What was most striking to me about Christie and Obama working together was not their praise for each other. It was the "working" part. Doing their jobs.

    2. natl_[redacted]_cmdr

      And these people never asked where Bush was during 9/11 or Fallujah or Katrina or… Oh we could go on and on and on.

    3. Geminisunmars

      And the response you got was "Thank you for pointing this out to me. I must have had a momentary lapse, but feel much better now. Sincerely, SagittariusMoonVenus from OppositeLand."

    1. MosesInvests

      Actually that's a paraphrase of a Dominican Inquisitor during the Albigensian Crusade-"Kill them all. God will recognize His own." Holy Office, indeed.

  29. An_Outhouse

    Fox will pursue this story doggedly until the names, addresses, and photos of the agents involved are provided. Then they'll start an investigation into the release of classified CIA information.

  30. LibrarianX

    People who listen exclusively to FOX are going to be insane with surprise and anger Wednesday morning.

      1. natl_[redacted]_cmdr

        Really. They kind of always are. (See the video starring Ohio voters.) But more so Wednesday morning.

      1. poorgradstudent

        To cover my bets I better pray/offer sacrifices to everyone from YHWH to Lord Shiva to Haile Selassie to all the demons in the Lesser Key of Solomon.

    1. tessiee

      They're insane every day of the year anyway, but the surprise and anger are definitely a nice plus.

      1. LibrarianX

        Wouldn't it be awesome if they blamed the messenger? I know that many Foxheads will be in a frenzied state of disbelief when Romney loses, after months of hearing Fox say that he's winning, but I'd love it if just 10% would expand their sphere of information as a result.

    2. Negropolis

      Hell, Tuesday night. That's how quickly this thing is going to be called, I truly believe that. I hate to have egg on my face, but if I do I do. Plus, eggs are delicious.

    3. glamourdammerung

      People who listen exclusively to FOX are going to be insane with surprise and anger Wednesday morning.

      And the "Second Amendment Solutions"/spree shootings will probably start up around Wednesday afternoon.

  31. chascates

    But Fox News viewers only will believe what Fox tells them. The intelligence community is in the tank for Obama. I heard someone on talk radio say that polls by universities weren't believable because guess who they want to win? These people aren't 'low information' viewers; they're 'wrong information' viewers and they like the lies they get from them.

        1. Geminisunmars

          Sometimes I just play a game: I close my eyes and just listen to the words of some random talking head to see how long it will take me figure out if there is an R after their name. It doesn't usually take long. This is about as much fun as I can eek out of this election cycle.

    1. Ducksworthy

      It would be interesting to see what a model of the Fox viewer's universe would look like. I'm pretty sure part of it would involve satanic Muslin ghey dinosaurs teaching grade school

    2. Wile E. Quixote

      We need to figure out ways to accelerate the course of Darwinism with these people. Perhaps we can get President Obama to come out with a PSA saying that getting into a shower while holding a running circular saw is dangerous and wastes energy. Then all of the Faux Noise viewers will have to prove that Obama is wrong by climbing into the shower while holding a running circular saw. Entertainment will then ensue because hopefully some of these fuckwits will be videotaping themselves as they auto-darwinate and the videos will end up on YouTube for the enjoyment of the rest of us.

  32. CommieDad

    I'm not up on Fox's reporting, so I could be full of shit. But from what I hear, they spend all there time talking about BS conspiracy theories, speculation with false premises, and act as though the president personally killed an ambassador, or at least ordered his militant Islamic militia to do it.

    So, if this is the case, I will quote the good Michelle Bachman and say, "Isn't it time we had an investigation into the anti-american's in the media?"

    Seriously, the intent of this type of reporting is to manipulate the vote with lies. This undermines our democracy. I call it anti-american.

    1. BadKitty904

      It isn't just un-American, it *IS* anti-American. These people are actively working to subvert the American electoral process.
      Despite their incessant shower of bullshit about loving this nation, they are solely motivated by love of power and by greed. NOTHING else matters to them and they will do and say *anything* to achieve and retain those goals.

      OK, screed off…

    2. Ducksworthy

      I was stunned and surprised (should not have been I know) when Rawmoney quoted Herman Goebbels in the first debate about always telling a big lie and how repeating it over and over will make it true. Talk about preemptive.

      1. doloras

        When the lie's so big
        And the fog gets so thick
        And the facts disappear
        The Republican trick
        Can be played out again
        People, please tell me when
        We'll be rid of these men!

  33. njstore

    Occupy Sandy Relief NYC is now operating. Runners are giving up hotel rooms for people in need.
    Anyone hear from TribecaMike or James Michael Curley?

  34. MittBorg

    Hey, Dok! I totally Twitterfied you, man. Look for fame and teh munnies.

    Just kidding. I Tweeted this story because you done good as always. Perhaps Rebecca will intersperse small bowls of gruel with the daily beatings?

  35. cousinitt

    Even if the High Priestess of Slime, Man Coulter herself wrote a book exposing the con job of today's GOP, wingers would not believe it. They might even take up leftist fantasy stories just to satisfy an itch for a larger, more dramatic narrative arc to their own drab life. I'm not even being snarky, hard as it is to resist–most American lives are lived out in the shadows and back alleys of a full, meaningful, engaged life. And that is the true cost of living in poverty not just of money but a poverty of ideas and education.

  36. Grokenstein

    "Oh, uh, well, it's (now) the Economy (again), stupid! Also too, Rudy Guiliani is calling for Obama to resign for campaigning during a crisis! Only Republigods like Reagan get to do that! And Rudy's the guy who turned 9-11 into his personal campaign slogan, so he should know about such things!"

  37. rocktonsam

    FOX NEWS and its constant lies are a comfort and a distraction to its viewers who hate the blah guy..

    It is fair and balanced because it does repeat Mittens and Eddie Munster's lies as well.

  38. Negropolis

    Also, too, in the buried lede department, a New York Times story on the attack suggests that the intelligence officials briefing the press may have been just as interested in bureaucratic ass-covering as in slapping down the right-wing narrative

    I'm not sure why the NYT needed to make that point. I mean, it's a fairly obvious one. Regardless of ones political sympathies within and administration, when something this bad happens on their watch, that goes out the window. It becomes a game of self-preservation for all but the most heroic and honest.

    1. fuflans

      I'm not sure why the NYT needed to make that point. I mean, it's a fairly obvious one

      20% of americans believe the president is kenyan, a quarter of us can't find our own goddamned nation on a map and 48% of us are considering voting for mitt romney.

  39. mosjef

    At least Fox News is a job creator. What else would Steve Douchey be doing right now, other than mop man at the All-Male peep show?

    1. Wile E. Quixote

      Actually he wouldn't even be doing that. He got fired because he was creeping out the clientele.

  40. iburl

    "…the CIA presence in Benghazi “appears to have been much more significant than publicly disclosed.” "

    What?? The CIA is not fully disclosing what it is doing and where? NOBAMMAAAA!!!

  41. Redgyal

    So Barry didn't want everyone to know that we had CIA there helping to overthrow the former government? What's so unusual about that?

    1. glamourdammerung

      So Barry didn't want everyone to know that we had CIA there helping to overthrow the former government? What's so unusual about that?

      Or the CIA monitoring/dealing with any unsavory elements that might be trying to benefit from the overthrow. Like al Qaeda.

  42. fuflans

    tonight's ramones:

    Oh oh oh, oh oh oh
    It's over
    Oh oh oh, oh oh oh
    It's true, it's true

    And I think of times we were together
    As time went on it seemed forever
    But times have changed
    Now things are better
    Someone had to pay the price

    thanks again NJ!

    1. bobbert

      I love you for your dedication to the Ramones. I don't even like them that much as a band, but they ARE fucking consistent.

      1. fuflans

        i don't like them that much either! i mean i they're kinda fun with that head banging boppy beat and nihilistic lyrics, but as punk goes, i much prefer other bands (clash…).

        but they're rather soothing for this campaign. like a ripping band-aid off a particularly nasty scar.

  43. Serolf_Divad

    "Let’s say we were able to get an aircraft there. Do you go in and start strafing a populated area without knowing where friend or foe is?"

    Ummm… do you want to correct answer or the wingnut answer?

  44. valthemus

    I have been amazingly disgusted by FN's focus on Benghazi when so many in New York and New Jersey are going through hell. But this is why I occasionally watch Fox News: to remind myself of why I never need to watch Fox News.

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