AND THEN WE SHALL WEEP  5:25 pm October 18, 2012

Soon We Will Not Have Joe Walsh To Kick Around With Tammy Duckworth’s Mechanical Feet

by Rebecca Schoenkopf

You know, we were sort of toying with live-blooging the last Duckworth-Walsh Illinois congressional debate, but then we were like, eh, maybe Tammy Duckworth will be kind of boring, and surely Joe Walsh is too much of a pussy to offer her a Purple Heart band-aid for her kickass robot legs to her face? But then Tammy Duckworth was not boring, and the increasingly bizarre (if that were even possible) deadbeat Congressman Joe Walsh waved around a picture proving his opponent wears women’s clothes!!! Well unlike Joe Walsh (hopefully!) we are not about to make the same mistake twice! Join us, and this livestream, at 7 p.m. Eastern as we live-bloog the shit out of whatever oozes from Walsh’s peevish puss.

 
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Cleopatriot October 18, 2012 at 5:28 pm

I don't know. She's not run a very effective campaign. I mean I hope she wins, but I'm not convinced she will (disclaimer: I live in Chicago, not in her district).

HouseOfTheBlueLights October 18, 2012 at 5:34 pm

Why do you say this? I follow her FB page (her district butts up against mine), and she seems to be doing a ton of constituent meetings, which seems like a really good way to run a congressional campaign. All I ever see from Joe are the hateful negative ads.

Cleopatriot October 18, 2012 at 5:39 pm

I'm saying it because I'm not impressed with her campaign. She's known in the city as the person Rahm picked for that seat.

snowpointsecret October 18, 2012 at 5:45 pm

I think she likely will win, for one reason: It's Joe Walsh. She just needs to not be absolutely horrible from what I've seen.

Callyson October 18, 2012 at 5:51 pm

If it reassures you, RCP has the seat as "Leans Democratic:"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/hous

(Don't panic over the We Ask America poll–that firm leans Republican…)

Negropolis October 18, 2012 at 11:07 pm

I'm not sure why you believe this when polling clearly shows her up. I might understand pessimism had she been running against someone likeable and yet still up in the polls meaning things could break against her near the end, but she's running against one of the most odious individuals in Congress in a moderate(ish) district. This seems dangerously close to concern trolling to me, because nothing points to him winning this.

Hammiepants October 18, 2012 at 5:29 pm

This asstard is such a hateful fuck that I've sent Tammy's campaign about $150, even though I live in L.A. I hope she goes all Jet Li on his chickenhawk ass.

Callyson October 18, 2012 at 5:46 pm

Huge thumbs up from another Los Angeles resident who sent her a bit of money (I could only do $25, but if everyone chips in what they can…)

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 5:55 pm

Awright, awright, you guilt-tripped me. I'm'a do it tonight.

Callyson October 18, 2012 at 5:58 pm

Yay! (Internet hugz for MittBorg…)

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 6:36 pm

(Hugs you back) I'm a sucker for weird little animals in hoodies and captions.

Gratuitous World October 18, 2012 at 5:29 pm

you bring the weed, i'll bring the commitment papers.

Lionel[redacted]Esq October 18, 2012 at 5:36 pm

Done and done.

ChillBill October 18, 2012 at 5:31 pm

Jeez, they pretty much liveblog anything nowadays…

sbj1964 October 18, 2012 at 5:42 pm

It's an election year.Or so I've heard.

ChillBill October 18, 2012 at 5:45 pm

19 more days…

Lot_49 October 18, 2012 at 5:49 pm

Praise Jeebus I'll be glad when it's over, and I don't live in a swing state. Just hope the talking-head-fantasy phenomenon of an Electoral College tie is not realized.

GhostBuggy October 18, 2012 at 5:51 pm

Until what? The next campaign cycle? I can hardly wait!

snowpointsecret October 18, 2012 at 5:47 pm

Liveblogs are better than political ads. At least there's some semblance of sanity here, right? (Probably biased, being in Ohio though…)

Callyson October 18, 2012 at 5:52 pm

Some of us obsessive types feed the machine.

Steverino247 October 18, 2012 at 6:00 pm

Already voted, as did all the Steverino minions, er, family…

Geminisunmars October 18, 2012 at 6:20 pm

Just got our mail in ballots today. But we are waiting until we decide who to vote for before filling them out. (Gotcha there, for a second, didn't I?)

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 6:37 pm

Yeah, I almost screamed.

imissopus October 18, 2012 at 6:33 pm

I was going to live-blog sex recently, but I couldn't keep my laptop balanced on her butt.

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 6:38 pm

You're doing it wrong. Try putting it on (1) her head or (2) her shoulder blades.

cheetojeebus October 18, 2012 at 6:54 pm

ah..a laptop. see, i didn't think of that. you guys are geniuses.

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 7:22 pm

You mean … wow … that's one STURDY gf you got there, dood.

CrunchyKnee October 18, 2012 at 5:33 pm

In some American cities the only way someone with a D behind their name can win is if they were a fetus that looked like Jeebus.

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 5:56 pm

Your knee looks different.

Negropolis October 18, 2012 at 11:10 pm

I don't know. Even in a lot of red states, cities are blue. More than red and blue states, the voting divide in America seems to be most polarized between urban and rural.

Sorry for being so serious. lol

WhatTheHeck October 18, 2012 at 5:33 pm

Livebloog away. I’ll be working as usual, while youse guys are drinking. Bastards.

Barrelhse October 18, 2012 at 6:56 pm

Get to work.

HRH_Maddie October 18, 2012 at 5:34 pm

Tammy Duckworth just needs to show up tonight, look into the camera and say "Really, this guy? Really?" and throw the mic down Chris Rock-style.

sbj1964 October 18, 2012 at 5:48 pm

It's alright if it's all white!

Cody October 18, 2012 at 5:50 pm

racist

sbj1964 October 18, 2012 at 5:56 pm

Leave Chris alone he's not a racist.Just a funny Mothafucka!

elviouslyqueer October 18, 2012 at 5:52 pm

Also, "caught up on your child support yet, motherfucker?"

BOOM.

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 5:57 pm

She pretty much cockpunched him devastatingly on his "picking a dress" bullshit with that "Mostly, I've worn camouflage" remark. I hope she wins, and she looks like she will. But YEAH CALLYSON I'll send her some coin.

Geminisunmars October 18, 2012 at 6:22 pm

Maybe it was explained elsewhere, but wtf was that about anyway? He had a picture of her buying a dress? What? Is she on foodstamps and isn't suppose to buy something?

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 6:31 pm

He had a picture of her picking out the dress that she would wear to the Dem convention, where she was a featured speaker. He waved it around and made a big deal of her picking an outfit when X or Y was happening in the world (I forget what he cited). Apparently, Tammy Duckworth shouldn't be picking out a dress to wear when there are A, B, or C things going on in the world.

Geminisunmars October 18, 2012 at 6:39 pm

Thank you. That makes total sense now. I keep trying to understand what those in the GOP say, and I keep feeling like I'm living in a foreign land where English is translated through Babel. I guess the lesson is I should give up trying to comprehend them. Only leads to frustration.

Joshua Norton October 18, 2012 at 5:35 pm

Even though prison sex isn't really my thang, wingnutters like Joe Walsh and Scott Brown bring out a deep seated urge in me to play a game of "Tied Up Cell Bitch and Aryan Gang Leader".

But only with votes, of course.

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 5:58 pm

OK, but which one do YOU get to be?

Geminisunmars October 18, 2012 at 6:23 pm

The cell?

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 6:39 pm

I've always wanted to play amoeba with someone.

Geminisunmars October 18, 2012 at 6:50 pm

Hey, baby, hows about a little mitosis?

anniegetyerfun October 18, 2012 at 5:36 pm

Wait, I mean, are we going to kill him (with votes)? Because assholes like this never really go away, so we can still kick him around, right? See also The Plumber, Joe.

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 5:58 pm

I think we have to pound a steak through his heart a la "The Celery Stalks At Midnight."

weejee October 18, 2012 at 6:03 pm

Bunnicula lives?

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 6:12 pm

FOREVER, dood.

kittensdontlie October 18, 2012 at 5:37 pm

If Duckworth waves around a picture proving her opponent wears women’s underwear,…now that would be worth seeing.

PsycWench October 18, 2012 at 6:14 pm

Do we really want to see that picture, though? My eyes still hurt from that picture of the fat lady hurling.

Lionel[redacted]Esq October 18, 2012 at 5:38 pm

I don't know. "Raving insane lunatic" does really well with Conservative voters.

BadKitty904 October 18, 2012 at 5:39 pm

Sounds over-qualified, if anything…

sbj1964 October 18, 2012 at 5:44 pm

they like them crazy.Makes them feel like they are not the only one.

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 5:59 pm

So does "military." Duckworth has worn the uniform most of her life.

Geminisunmars October 18, 2012 at 6:25 pm

Yeah, but she is female, so that's a wash.

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 6:41 pm

Mmnmm — don't know. I'm hearing an awful lot of old codgers express some grudging respect for the lady soldiers, even if, bless their chavinistic hearts, they're afraid to SERVE with one. Pilot friends are in especial awe because they know how she lost her legs. Those 'copters got nearly nothing between your crotch and whatever the enemy's throwing.

Geminisunmars October 18, 2012 at 6:49 pm

Well, are these codgers of the dem or wingnut persuasion?

Lionel[redacted]Esq October 18, 2012 at 8:37 pm

Note, crazy beats Military when it comes to Conservatives. Cf: John Kerry.

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 10:46 pm

Good point. OTOH, Joe is not exactly popular.

Negropolis October 18, 2012 at 11:17 pm

In some rural area, sure, but Chicagoland in a presidential election year? I'm not so sure about that.

JustPixelz October 18, 2012 at 5:41 pm

Joe the Dumber will say "I will cut wasteful spending by the VA."

KeepFnThatChicken October 18, 2012 at 5:42 pm

Maybe after he loses, he'll have some of this two-and-a-half million dollar windfall left over, so he can finally pay his child support.

weejee October 18, 2012 at 5:49 pm

he can finally pay his child support

You sayin' porcines can now download pilot licenses?

emmelemm October 18, 2012 at 6:01 pm

Flying pig to the rescue!

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 6:08 pm

I don't think he's allowed to use campaign contributions to pay his personal expenses. Unlike, you know, Christine O'Donnell, the witch.

Callyson October 18, 2012 at 5:45 pm

I'm in–I even sent Tammy a little bit of money last night. Go Tammy!

FlownOver October 18, 2012 at 5:47 pm

We'd all be better off if she'd use the initial handshake opportunity to shiv the disgusting asshole (yes, WithVotes™) under the ribcage and just walk away smiling contentedly.

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 6:11 pm

Proceed, Rep. Walsh.

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 5:50 pm

Sweet Lawdy Jezus, I am in for a treat today! Thank you, Deities of Wonketz! I grovel in the gravel. Or something.

Antispandex October 18, 2012 at 5:51 pm

Is it like the train wreck that you just can't look away from, or is he really likely to say something SO stupid you just want to be there when he does? OK, maybe…wait, who's playing on Thursday Night Football tonight?

emmelemm October 18, 2012 at 6:01 pm

Seahawks, surprisingly! (And…someone else.)

SayItWithWookies October 18, 2012 at 5:52 pm

Argh — I think I'm scheduled to be lobotomized by the Allen-Kaine debate for VA's Senate seat tonight. Kaine's no eloquent speaker or war hero, but damn — George Allen and Joe Walsh are the best the Republican party can put up? It's horrifying that the damn GOP isn't less popular than the Flat Earth Party with this lineup.

Mumbletypeg October 18, 2012 at 6:18 pm

And I, just back from the library, have a bunch of Robbins' scribbling's to speed-read~

SayItWithWookies October 18, 2012 at 6:22 pm

Excellent — Still Life with Woodpecker is relatively short & sweet, though older.

Mumbletypeg October 18, 2012 at 6:26 pm

what about Roadside Attraction? Picked that up too.

SayItWithWookies October 18, 2012 at 6:31 pm

I don't know, I haven't read it.

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 6:42 pm

What can I say, I took exception to The Chink.

Geminisunmars October 18, 2012 at 6:46 pm

Even Cowgirls Get the Blues was fun, even though the movie of it was botched. Roadside was a bit turgid. As I recall (it being some 30 plus years since it I read it.). As a young person I loved Jitterbug Perfume, and when I picked it up in my later years I couldn't believe I'd thought it was so wonderful. The book must have changed itself in the intervening years.

Negropolis October 18, 2012 at 11:19 pm

I can't for the life of me understand how someone as mild-mannered and generic as Tim Kaine could get elected in a state like VA. But, then again, the set-up for the Virginia executive does lend itself to being won by just about anybody. I mean, both these dudes are former governors, right? Crazy.

SayItWithWookies October 19, 2012 at 2:34 am

I don't really remember how Tim Kaine won the governorship — but if I could recall who he ran against, that would probably be a significant factor.

Nevertheless, in the debates, he's come out as quite a forceful liberal — he said he was for gay marriage, for women's right to contraception and medical care, against rapacious mining and pro clean energy among other things. It seems like a cultural turning point to me, especially because six years ago Jim Webb got elected to the very same seat largely because he had been a Republican for most of his career and wasn't that liberal.

natl_[redacted]_cmdr October 18, 2012 at 5:53 pm

Entirely OT but in 1941 Republican women were weirdly awesome. http://life.time.com/curiosities/life-goes-to-a-g

Geminisunmars October 18, 2012 at 6:29 pm

The drink server in picture #3 looks like Norma Jean Baker.

rickmaci October 18, 2012 at 6:34 pm

With women like that at home, no fucking wonder we won the war.

Callyson October 18, 2012 at 5:57 pm

Crap, I just checked and C-Span isn't broadcasting this, so I'll have to do the livestream. It's so much more fun to have the debate on the set so I can catch the facial expressions…

TribecaMike October 18, 2012 at 5:58 pm

In a few weeks, Walsh will be forced to spend a lot more time with his family. Them's good irony.

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 6:13 pm

HAHAHAHAHA! … His poor family.

Callyson October 18, 2012 at 6:01 pm

Oh FFS…from the Washington Times via an alert from the Daily Kos(and no, I am not linking to that Moonie website, which froze my computer):

Ms. Baldwin’s success so far has been due to her ability to mask her hard left-wing views. She is portraying herself as a moderate liberal. In fact, she is a radical feminist who champions gay marriage, abortion on demand, government-funded contraception and war on religious freedom. She is the Sandra Fluke of Wisconsin politics—a postmodern socialist who wants government to underwrite birth control pills and homosexual unions…
Ms. Baldwin has made no secret of her lesbian lifestyle. She is a vocal supporter of gay pride and the LGBT community. She told the liberal Huffington Post that her Senate candidacy is historic. Ms. Baldwin stressed that “breaking through these glass ceilings has a ripple effect.” In other words, her election would—and should—encourage other avowed gays and lesbians to enter high office. She sees herself as the tip of the spear for the LGBT community—a relentless advocate for homosexual issues. She attacks traditional marriage. She led the fight to repeal the ban on gays openly serving in the military. She consistently assaults our Judeo-Christian heritage…
Mr. Thompson is a Catholic. He does not wear his faith on his sleeve, yet he should confront Ms. Baldwin about her socialist feminism. Wisconsin’s electorate needs to know just how far out of the mainstream she really is. The last thing they need is Barney Frank in a dress.

Assholes.

PsycWench October 18, 2012 at 6:16 pm

When will people figure out that gay-bashing is sooooo 2008?

Limeylizzie October 18, 2012 at 6:10 pm

I loathe this twat more than almost any other GOPer, he really is just vile. OT Wonketteers, wtf is with the Gallup Poll that shows Barry 7 pints down, can that possibly be true, I am getting really hysterical about all this.

snowpointsecret October 18, 2012 at 6:12 pm

It seems like a really far-off outlier to me. The state polls and even other national polls aren't anywhere near R+7… I think if it was really that big of a lead, Romney would clearly be ahead in Ohio, Colorado, Virginia, and Wisconsin and that's not really the case. It's a close election but I really still think Obama has the edge.

Limeylizzie October 18, 2012 at 6:19 pm

I, of course, meant 7 POINTS down not pints, although…

snowpointsecret October 18, 2012 at 6:20 pm

Romney would be closer to 7 pints down considering he doesn't drink though!

Joshua Norton October 18, 2012 at 6:13 pm

Don't follow the polls, you'll drive yourself crazy.

Just check in with this guy:
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

every once in a while. He's the most dependable source of what's really going on.

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 6:16 pm

Relax, calm down, take a deep breath. Nate Silver says CNN has begun weighting their polls differently, although they don't disclose this information. The polls you're looking at are probably national polls, and the bounce effect of the second debate isn't showing yet. There's another debate coming next week, by which time the bounce effect will show.

SayItWithWookies October 18, 2012 at 6:19 pm

Right now that's a severe outlier. TPM has a summary of other polls here — ignore the ones with asterisks by them, as they're internet polls, but you'll see there's nothing else close to that result.

BadKitty904 October 18, 2012 at 6:22 pm

Hey, the Scholastic kids poll came in at Barry winning the election with 51% – http://www.usatoday.com/story/onpolitics/2012/10/… .

In the 72 years the kid's have been polled, they've been wrong only twice. ;0)

Limeylizzie October 18, 2012 at 6:34 pm

New polls from NBC-Iowa Barry has 8 point lead and in WI has a 6 point lead.

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 6:51 pm

YAY! Ooops.

James Michael Curley October 18, 2012 at 6:43 pm

Gallup tracking is not a great source to try to predict future out comes from present results. To begin with they still use a Likely vs. Registered voter separation in their reports but do not clearly distinguish the reliability of why Likely should be more accurate then Registered or Registered should be more accurate then Likely.

Just consider one major distinction. You are registered and probably a certain vote. If you respond to the poll and answer yes to registered and no to likely, how should your choice be figured into the total? Same for the response which is no to registered and yes to likely and, of course, to the response yes to both or no to both. This distinction has been abandoned by other pollsters, in part I'm sure, because it takes longer to conduct a poll and process the results and the game of political polling is now a business where the client wants instantaneous results and not results days old.

Another factor in 2012 polling which I can not fully explore now, but may have some results later. Hart Resources (and older name) used to be the major company which conducted the telephone calling for numerous "Pollsters" during the major election cycles. Why? Several "Pollsters" are companies which merely market the results they employ others to gather. Hart Resources once was and may still be owned by Bain Capital Partners.

calliecallie October 18, 2012 at 6:47 pm

Glad to see the other posts that say this poll is an outlier. My brother from AZ was visiting this weekend and filling me with fear of a Rmoney presidency, which he is convinced is coming. I wanted to tell him "you've been in Arizona too long, bro"

Barrelhse October 18, 2012 at 7:02 pm

I'm hoping this kind of news will wake up the voters who may have thought no effort was necessary to win. Get out and vote!

Callyson October 18, 2012 at 7:06 pm

Nate Silver's tweet about the polls, from 18 hours ago (yes, I am obsessive):

Gallup poll real bad for Obama. Marquette poll (WI) pretty bad for Obama. Other polls pretty good for Obama. Canceled out in forecast.

Callyson October 18, 2012 at 11:13 pm

Update from Nate:

The Gallup national tracking poll now shows a very strong lead for Mitt Romney…
However, its results are deeply inconsistent with the results that other polling firms are showing in the presidential race, and the Gallup poll has a history of performing very poorly when that is the case.
Other national polls show a race that is roughly tied on average, while state polls continue to indicate a narrow advantage of about two points for President Obama in tipping-point states like Ohio. The forecast has Mr. Obama as a narrow favorite in the election largely on the basis of the state polls.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/

Negropolis October 18, 2012 at 11:22 pm

Lizzie,

The GOP's top pollster came out today and says that even his polling isn't seeing these kind of numbers, nationally, so something is WAY off with Gallups tracker. It's probably just statistical noise, but they are also known for their oversampling of Republicans for their polls.

James Michael Curley October 18, 2012 at 6:24 pm

Tammy Baldwin is also debating former Gov. Tommy Thompson tonight. (He of the son who says Obama should be sent back to Kenya) Tammy Baldwin

Early voting in Michigan starts on Monday and will make a critical diff in the southern parts of the state.

Pres.Beeblebrox October 18, 2012 at 8:30 pm

Yeah, I don't think BHO is gonna take the Yooper vote…

James Michael Curley October 18, 2012 at 9:53 pm

And up on the peninsula they are saying, “She’s a what?”

Negropolis October 18, 2012 at 11:24 pm

He took it in 2008 and it had a Dem rep for years until 2010 and looks as if it will elect a Dem to take the seat, this year. It's not nearly as red as people think it is.

Negropolis October 18, 2012 at 11:23 pm

Huh? Michigan doesn't have early voting. Did I miss some snark.

James Michael Curley October 19, 2012 at 12:05 am

I had several campaign websites open and I think I went to the wrong one.

James Michael Curley October 19, 2012 at 2:39 pm

Couldn’t figure out what was wrong until I noticed I said Michigan and meant Wisconsin.

snowpointsecret October 18, 2012 at 6:27 pm

I'm kind of torn tonight… Liveblog seems fun but there's a Brown-Mandel debate on tv here in Ohio at 8 and I feel like that should be my priority.

BarackMyWorld October 18, 2012 at 6:32 pm

BUT THE TODD AKIN/CLAIRE McCASKILL DEBATE IS TONIGHT, TOO, YOU KNOW.

Geminisunmars October 18, 2012 at 6:41 pm

Is that legitimate?

BadKitty904 October 18, 2012 at 6:38 pm

And I have to do homework. :0/

natl_[redacted]_cmdr October 18, 2012 at 6:40 pm

It's debate-palooza!

Callyson October 18, 2012 at 6:58 pm

The TV station that is livestreaming this debate is accepting questions online…have fun…

Barrelhse October 18, 2012 at 7:04 pm

It's 7:02 Eastern, and nothing yet.

Callyson October 18, 2012 at 7:10 pm

I think there was a mix-up: Chicago is in the Central time zone, so the debate should come on at 8 Eastern/5 Pacific.

Barrelhse October 18, 2012 at 7:13 pm

Ah, that would certainly explain it.

natl_[redacted]_cmdr October 18, 2012 at 7:04 pm

It's 7 PM Central time, not Eastern.

Pragmatist2 October 18, 2012 at 8:53 pm

There may be a need for an online course in Remedial Time Zones. We have 114 comments and 1121 views on a debate hat won't start for five minutes.

ttommyunger October 18, 2012 at 11:19 pm

Joe Walsh would have to stand on Joe the Plumber's shoulders to look Tammy in the eye.

MittBorg October 18, 2012 at 6:53 pm

Military. They're mostly Repubs (but not very happy with the party right now) or Independents. Couple of Democrats, but politics tends to take a backseat to military issues.

Gleem McShineys October 18, 2012 at 6:57 pm

I'm all for comprehending them.

Oh wait, Babel mistranslated that.
How you say, uhm, chopping zem into … wotes?

SayItWithWookies October 18, 2012 at 10:37 pm

Uh-oh — I better not read it again — I really liked it too.

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