Mitt Romney stated things during the debate last week that were often in direct contravention of both reality and things he had previously stated. If you’re wondering why I don’t use the L-word (“liar,” not “lesbian”), it’s because, as Daniel Henninger states at the Wall Street Journal today, “liar” is the linguistic harbinger of fascism.
“Liar” is a potent and ugly word with a sleazy political pedigree. But “liar” is not being deployed only by party attack dogs or the Daily Kos comment queue. Mitt Romney is being called a “liar” by officials at the top of the Obama re-election campaign.
That’s shameful! What are they doing?
Politics isn’t beanbag, but politicians past had all sorts of devices to say or suggest an opponent was playing fast and loose with the truth. This week’s Obama TV ad, “How Can We Trust Mitt Romney?” would have been perfectly legit absent the Plouffe “liar” prepping.
So, the problem isn’t saying that someone is an untruthful, anti-American piece of festering shit, just don’t call them a liar. But why?
The Obama campaign’s resurrection of “liar” as a political tool is odious because it has such a repellent pedigree. It dates to the sleazy world of fascist and totalitarian propaganda in the 1930s. It was part of the milieu of stooges, show trials and dupes. These were people willing to say anything to defeat their opposition. Denouncing people as liars was at the center of it. The idea was never to elevate political debate but to debauch it.
The purpose of calling someone a liar then was not merely to refute their ideas or arguments. It was to nullify them, to eliminate them from participation in politics.
Oh. I always thought that the milieu of fascist and totalitarian propaganda was the serial scapegoating of disfavored “others” by lying about the role they played in economic, social and cultural misfortune, then using those lies to promote violent oppression and murder. Or wait, no, that was the Obama GOTV I did last weekend. The Nazis just wandered around Poland calling Jews liars and then putting up YouTube ads.
For something so terrible, so verboten, surely nobody at the Wall Street Journal has ever called anyone a liar? Surely not James Taranto, a month ago?
OK, Clinton lied (or “misled people”) about Monica Lewinsky. Let’s even stipulate for the sake of argument that he’s a liar.
THIS IS KRISTALLNACHT ALL OVER AGAIN.
Okay, well, maybe that was a one-time thing that slipped by the WSJ’s many, many fascism watchers? Let’s see:
And his lying was entirely in character. Many politicians lie, but few match Bill Clinton (though Al Gore seems to be giving it the old college try) in the frequency or audacity of his lies. He is truly a master of prevarication — an “unusually good” liar, as Democratic Sen. Bob Kerry famously put it.
Even as a young man, Mr. Clinton was able to lie his way out of military service and then lie his way out of paying a political price for this in the conservative state of Arkansas. But even “good” liars sometimes get caught.
Serious question: is the Wall Street Journal the Fourth Reich? It’s a question that must be asked, for the sake of the republic.
Okay, well, at least Mitt Romney never-
New Romney TV Ad Accuses Obama of Lying
I hope you have an attic to hide in. The jackboots are clip-clopping outside your door. Honestly.






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Mitt told me he would love me for ever and disappeared the next morning. He Lied!
No tip, but he left you the Magical Underpants though, right?
Ai ahrn't doin' 'is laundry, mate.
I'm guessing all Mitt has is a tip.
So all it took was buttsex with Mitt and he's gone? Thank you for taking one for the team.
I wonder if someone will use that Three Dog Night "Liar" song without permission. Which campaign would do that?
That's Two Dog Night. The third is still on the top of the car.
Randi Rhoads?
No, wait, that was Franken.
sex pistols.
I'd be surprised if either of them would.
It's not a very good song, is what I mean.
When was the last time Murdoch told the truth?
When it was profitable.
Needz moar Jon Lovitz, Joseph Goebbels and Joe Wilson.
Way to Godwin up a Godwinned article.
My, uh, dog ate the tax returns, yeah, that's the ticket.
"Yeah, well both parties do it."
[/ducks]
Would mendacious motherfucker work?
It sure gets *my* vote!
Needs moar alliteration.
Poopspewing pathological prevaricator?
Lies, dripping off your mouth like dirt
Lies, lies in every step you walk
Lies, whispered sweetly in my ear
Lies, how do I get out of here?
Why, why you have to be so cruel?
Lies, lies, lies I ain't such a fool!
Lies, lies in my papa's looks
Lies, lies in my history books
Lies, lies like they teach in class
Lies, lies, lies I catch on way too fast
Fire, fire upon your wicked tongue
Lies, lies, lies you're trying to spoil my fun
Lies, lies you dirty jezebel
Why, why, why, why don't you go to hell?
Why, why you think me such a fool?
Lies, lies, lies honey that's ya rules!
Thanks, Glimmer Twins!
Waiting for comment from Joe Wilson.
He gave at the office.
LIAR!
Oops.
stalin212!!!
Damn bullshitviks!
How about any of these:
cheat, con artist, deceiver, deluder, dissimulator, equivocator, fabler, fabricator, fabulist, false witness, falsifier, fibber, maligner, misleader, perjurer, phony, prevaricator, promoter, republican, romney, storyteller, trickster.
Damn libtard thesaurian!
Thesaurus roamed the earf 5000 years ago.
Ryanator?
Or to cut through the underbrush:
romney, romney romney romney romney romney romney romney romney romney romney romney romney romney romney romney romney romney romney romney
romney, romney romney
etc.
"My dog ate my homework! I swear to God! I'm not romneying!"
That's romneyer, or (alt.) ryaner….
I prefer W's "disassembler", works on many levels!
You know, I told my mistress that I loved her and would be leaving my wife just last week, and she had the balls to call me a Romney right to my face.
Charlatan, snake oil salesman and truth bender.
That's funny, I thought the purpose of calling someone a liar was to point out that things that they had said were, you know, not true; or in other words, lies.
That's the Democratic definition.
Fascist!
There you are! Missed you guys.
HitlerBot!
Pol Bot!
Ron Paul Pot!
Oh, NICEly played, sir!
*polite golf clap*
Martini?
Hey, whats with all the Hitler-bashing?
If ya wanna make an omelet, you gotta break a few truths.
Well, not just saying things that are untrue, but knowingly saying things that are untrue.
Like for example, saying you'd slash all discretionary non-defense spending by 5% across the board on day one, and then denying you'd reduce education funding. Or promising to drive through legislation defunding Planned Parenthood specifically because they provide abortion services that are not funded in any way by government monies, and then denying that your policy agenda includes anything abortion-related. Or repeatedly claiming that five or six studies support your tax plan even though three of the initial five weren't even studies (two were WSJ op-eds by campaign advisors) and none of them lend support to his tax plan as we now know it to be.
If we're going to include WSJ op-Ed writers, we may have to expand the definition of "liar."
I think we'll get 'em all with my definition, but we might need a bigger boat.
ETA: although, you might have a point in that most of them seem not in the slightest to know what they're saying most of the time.
Yeah, I think he might be factually mistaken in his assertion that calling somebody a liar "dates to the sleazy world of fascist and totalitarian propaganda in the 1930s." I'm thinking it dates back a little further than that.
Thou shalt not bear false witness was actually a reference to bootleg Harrison Ford DVDs.
[It was part of the milieu of] stooges, show trials and dupes.
Best description of GW Shrub Administration EVAH !!!1!!!
Nyuk nyuk nyuk.
Truly. Team Chimpy and the GOP – the same folks who brought us rigged elections, warrantless searches, torture, detention without trial, and smearing of critics as traitors.
Let's look at Hopey's record in this regard. Pretty sure the warrantless searches are still going on, and Gitmo's still open for business (although Barry tried to close it, even if not very hard). Torture's "officially" over, and the Dems don't call their opponents traitors. So far so good. The death-from-above drone kills won't garner him another trip to Stockholm, though.
NDAA uber alles. Republicans at your cervix.
Iggy Pop libel!
Really, Nazis again? Even the most basic statements, like pointing out that Romney is a lying liar who lies, is somehow being just like Hitler. With the Wall Street Journal, I guess you always go full Godwin.
At the same time, this jibes really well with the observation that whatever Republicans accuse you of doing/being is what they are themselves. It's the most uncanny case of mass projection I've ever seen.
That oped in the Wall Street Urinal is really a pisser.
In Seattle in the 80's there was a very short-lived newspaper by that name.
Whose–Paranoid Jack's?
If "Guy's a liar" is now beyond the pale, how about "Guy's full of shit?"
In all sincerity, this would probably go over much better with the pundit class. Not only would Obama avoid the touchy word "liar" but he would probably get credit for being "folksy".
The Mitt Street Journal hates liars, but that is like the pot calling the homegrown "Dave."
Amen. Hearing Wall Street whine about the use of the word "liar" is unusually surreal, even for *this* campaign…
Dave's not here.
No man, it's dave!
Dave's not HERE.
….people willing to say anything to defeat their opposition.
Does he mean like lying?
But I have it on good authority that there ain't no way to hide your lyin' eyes…
Needs moar Henry Rollins dressed like a nun.
Good god could another terrible thing please hurry up and happen? I am bored of everything being a 9-11-slash-holocaust. We need a new tragedy metaphor for these trite assholes.
I had a hangnail yesterday, is that tragic enough?
Hmmm. "Ow, my hangnail makes it hard to suck things like an ice-cream coan." Yes, that works for me better'n this.
Ice-cream koan? Wow.
No, ice-cream-Coan. I learnt all about it from the Miss here.
I keep having to sleep on a thin strip on the side of the bed because someone keeps moving to the middle and taking up 2/3 of the bed. That's a real tragedy.
Yes, because having an entire fucking king sized bed to yourself is such a joy….
And everyone who negotiates (or just advocates negotiating) with a foreign leader the right doesn't like is Neville Chamberlain at Munich.
This is because of the unerring American disposition for war talk ( I got that from Rachel Maddow's Drift)…(snark back on)…
War talk? I prefer Bartok.
Lies (and the lying liars who tell them) by Senator Al Franken is like the Mein Kampf of liberalism.
His scrawled "What a dick!" over a GOP-skewed GDP graph is one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
Not calling Mitt a liar takes way to many linguistic acrobatics. I’m sure F. Scott Fitzgerald could characterize his performance in less directed words but for me I’m sticking with Liar.
Mendacious, disseminator, untruthful, distortion artist; after that I'd have to go in search of thesaurus.com
ETA: "not leader, a misleader" would be a nice line to use.
Bill Clinton didn't "lie his way out of military service," he was an objector against the war. Willard on the other hand, thought it was just fine that others fight in Vietnam for him while he took off for the perils of France.
Well trying to convince the French to give up wine, cigarettes and coffee is very perilous.
not to mention fucking
With all of that foie gras and Roquefort, and without the ameliorating effects of red wine, he did risk high cholesterol and gout.
Not to mention the Beret Threat…
But why didn't Obama serve in Nam, hmmmmm????
Wait a minute…guys who went to jail or Canada or got truly religious-based conscientious objector status (like Quakers) "objected" to the war. But when he came to the confidence course of military service, Bill took the pussy path around it. I love him as much as anybody, but he weaseled out of conscription when others opposed it honorably.
It was my understanding he objected to the war. Chickenhawks like Dubya, Cheney and Willard on the other hand were all for it, as long as it was other people fighting it, so that's the difference I see.
All true. Guess I just like to stickle.
Hee hee hee
Quit it!
Hee hee!
Lot_49's resurrection of “stickle” as a political tool is odious because it has such a repellent pedigree. It dates to the sleazy world of fascist and totalitarian propaganda in the post just above.
At their next debate, right after Mittenz completes his closing statement, Bamz needs to dash over and hose-down Willard's flaming britches with a soda-acid fire extinguisher.
I think "pathological serial prevaricator" might be better, so I'm willing to change it up some.
I suppose we could start calling him "factually challenged", but that might be a bit too PC for that side, don't'cha think?
There might be something to this. Just replace "Jew" in any anti-semitic rant with "Liar" and it seems to be happening all over. Liars control world finance. Liars control the media. Etc.
The Protocols of the Elders of Lyin'. Hmmm…
Let me see if I have this straight. Calling Willard Romney (who lied) a liar, is like sucking Hitler's dick? Got it. Good to know.
Hitler's dick with shit on it, to be precise!
Today we are all Eva Braun.
Simple solution – Instead of "liar" call him "pedophile"
Is that better?
Yeah, because it's his sons that lie….
Well Willard is showing as much remorse over his lies as Jerry Sandusky has shown concerning his buggering.
Or "spawn of polygamists"?
I'm always amazed how some people appear to believe that all previous American political campaigns have always involved the highest sportsmanship and civil discourse. In reality, that would be the exception, rather than the rule, all the way back to the founding of the Republic.
The same is true of our Vaunted Impartial, Ethical Journalistic Golden Age, which did not seem to exist until people started handing out journalism degrees.
Damn it, even with that jerkface on it, I burn for buttery, golden toast!!
The zoo has mountain lion, the Republican Party has a Lyin' Moron.
Dang, I wished that flowed a little better.
Try drinking earlier in the day – it loosens up the pipes…
How about we have a Simpson's style shocker/buzzer every time one of these fuckers lie. Dr. Marvin Monroe can design it.
Modify it so that it also shocks Mitt when he runs overtime, and you're on.
The Obama campaign’s resurrection of “liar” as a political tool is odious because it has such a repellent pedigree.
i.e., we don't like it because it's working.
We don't like it because all the shit Mitt lied about during the debate is coming home to roost.
Ahem.
"You lie!"
I rest my case.
Nailed it!
Quit calling people liars, FAUXBAMA! That is gutter politics, and besides, you weren't even born here.
My head is fucking spinning and I cannot think straight at all. And then, because this is a pre-existing condition, I have to read this shit which ups the head-spinning ante. I am snarkless here, on this right hear. Is this a reverse Godwin's Law callout fake spin move? Mau-mauing the flack-catchers? Pre-emptive Godwinning? I am not going to sit here and listen to someone badmouth the United States of America! That alien kenyan socialist anti-colonialist who lacks the background to understand the special anglo-saxon-ness of Amurrica has the gall to call me an "other?" That black Kenyan socialist Nazi! Aaarrrggghhhhhh! I can't wwait till tomorrow, this shit won't be able to get at me then.
The check's in the mail.
I'll pull it out.
Just two beers officer.
I read the Wall Street Journal.
Romney is human.
'Liar' is a vile, obscene, four-letter word! Of course, that only applies if someone uses the term on an 'R'.
The shortest distance between pointing out that someone is lying and being labelled a Nazi is the WSJ editorial page.
Okay, instead of calling someone a 'liar', how 'bout we call them a 'buyer'. That's someone who pays someone else to tell everyone something over and over until people believe it, even if it's false.
Willard M. Romney-BUYER
George W. Bush- BUYER
Richard Cheney – BUYER
William J. Clinton-BUYER
Rupert Murdock- BUYER
Jerry Falwell-BOUGHT IT
Pat Robertson- BUYER
Michele Bachmann-BUYER
Richard Nixon- BOUGHT IT
o/t – Why did Wonkette stop tweeting when new articles appear?
My goodness, you're right. I know I saw a few yesterday, so maybe it's a server thing?
Trix tweeted that tech support fixed the twitter button yesterday and proceeded to totally fubar it up.
I got all of them about an hour ago. AOTK.
To be a liar is to know the truth and speak the opposite. A bullshitter, on the other hand, doesn't give a damn what the truth is and just says what's expedient. The Republicans are not liars; they're bullshitters.
In all fairness, couldn't they be lying bullshitters, or bullshitting liars?
That cartoon of Axelrod is very unflattering.
It does look like that little shitweasel, doesn't it?
"Shitweasel" is a fine way of thanking him for his service!! Bad as things are, would you really want to live in the alternate universe where Obama didn't get elected?!
Oh God. A world where we've all been conscripted to fight in McCain's Wars Against Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Terror, Islam, Gays, And Countries And Concepts To Be Named Later.
"McCain"?
Grandpa McCain would have, er-uh… "died in his sleep"… a month after taking office, and we'd right now all be looking at…
I can't bring myself to type the words, even in jest.
I CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!11!
So I has confused: Mittens called the Prez a liar to his face several times in the debate. And has Label currently talking about the Prez is a liar on the camapign trail. This is totes cool. But fact checking Romney (and calling him on it or even asking him about it) is teh evil.
Also too, BONUS!!! Which is the moar terrible: Calling someone who has clearly lied a liar, suppressing someone's "free speech" by laughing at them when they say stupid shit or living in Paris in the 1960's so others can fight the war you claimto support by are dodging?
i would mention jon lovitz here but i think he's wingtarded out.
course, i guess that works too.
Hennnnnnnngggggggggghhhhhhhinger sez :
"To my knowledge, Mr. Krugman is the only columnist writing for a major publication in U.S. journalism who has so routinely and repetitively accused people of being liars. "
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We know!!!!
OK, what the fuck is beanbag? It's one of those things said by assholes who also refer to "having some skin in the game."
It's a gay sex thing, isn't it?
No. No, it's not.
Apparently "bean bag tag" is, according to http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Be…
but that site is usually total nonsense.
Who knew? And my membership in the International Gay Conspiracy is all paid up and everything!
Think horseshoes, only instead of heavy metal objects flinging through the air, little pouches of PVC pellets or dried beans and instead of a manly rigid pole to ring them around, a piece of plywood with holes drilled into it.
Ah yeah, like Toss Across, but not so complicated. Politics IS more butch than that, this guy is right.
Isn't that game called "cornhole?"
This suddenly makes more sense.
I loved this piece by Daniel Henninger. I found it unbiased and insightful, not to mention tastefully provocative…
Oops, sorry – I LIED!!!
Hmmmmm….. Obama is leading in the real polls, and he's gaining ground by calling out Mittens' lies, so the wingnuts are trying to declare the word "liar" off-limits — just as, now that we have a black President, it's off-limits to point out the racist things that people say and do and call them racist, because it isn't the actual racist stuff that's racist — it's CALLING it racist that's racist. Obviously. Got it!
I'm thinking the President should walk out on the stage at the next debate, punch Mittens in his smirking face (with votes!!!), and say, "That's for all the lies you told at the first debate, you lying liar from Lieville. Now — wanna lie to me some more?"
Still Rovian rule #1: if you''re doing it, accuse your opponent of it…
Maybe they can get Al Franken to write a book about Liars. Oh wait!
i believe it is actually the bible that talks about power in naming things (well, and jk rowling).
so fuck you WSJ. mitt romney's entire campaign has been one big lie and that is not way to choose a president.
Clearly Obama's fault- he made poor Joe Wilson (R- Victimhood) resurrect the whole liar thing.
Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter-accusations.
Shorter Mitt: "As you all know, I lied my ass off during the first debate and got away with it, so now I think lying my ass off and getting away with it is my rightful due. So please stop calling me on my shit, mmmmkay?"
"Mr. President, you're a lying boy, like my shiftless kids. You get a plane but not your own facts, Son!" really lifts up our discourse, though.
And having one of said shiftless kids refer to the president as "an obstinate child?" Totally dignified.
I thought it was Egg who went on Fox and said Obama was kicking and screaming like a child.
EVERYBODY's HItler!
Wheeeee!
*throws fake mustaches to crowd*
*cues music*
*dances*
"Everybody's Hitler!" You know, that could be a very popular children's book! Wonkette has helpfully provided an example of the drawing style.
Its not "The Wall Street Journal", its "Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal". To call it the other thing is like referring to "Believe It or Not" without the preceding "Ripley's."
Or "Ripley's tight white bikini briefs."
Oooh. Thanks for that reminder.
WSJ: Mitt Romney is a Good Liar.
We ain't caught him. Yet. Maybe.
LOOK OVER THERE!!! BILL CLINTON!! MONICA!! AL GORE INTERNET!!
Actually LYING, however, is OK, right?
Accusing Romney of lying is an assault against his religious freedom. For shame.
Unfuckingbelievable.
It's still early in the day, Wonkette. Can we talk about the other L-word for a change?
"LIAR! LIAR!! LIAR!!"
"Settle down, Beavis!"
Because it's not like the Republicans have repeatedly referred to President Obama as a "Lyin' African", or anything.
Oh, wait…
Political correctness hits the WSJ.
"It takes two to lie: One to lie and one to listen." — Homer Simpson
[folksy]
Now I'm just a simple Jersey girl, and I ain't no expert on the politics…
[adjusts suspenders]
But it does seem to me that if you don't want people labeling you a "goat fucker", you probably shouldn't fuck goats in public, get *caught* fucking goats in public, and have fact checkers on both sides *prove* that you make a constant habit of fucking goats in public.
[spits]
Leastaways, that's what we used to say 'round the pizzeria.
It's not often that I read a Wonkette piece and say to myself "Wow, that is a pretty terrific piece of writing ", but I did just now. Hmmm. Well done Wonkette, I guess?
It's cute that this douche bag thinks Mitt didn't lie.
I think Barry Bammz oughtta just stone cold ask Mitt why his majik undies aren't on fire in the next debate, because you know – liar, liar pants on fire.
Maybe the WSJ should have a little talk with their News Corp sister Fox News about lying :http://www.relfe.com/media_can_legally_lie.html
Mitt Romney is a liar.
Paul Ryan is a liar.
George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, Harriet Miers, Andrew Card, Dana Perino, Alberto Gonzales, John Bolton, Karl Rove, Ari Fleischer–they are all liars.
Limbaugh, Drudge, Hannity, O'Reilly, Tucker, Malkin, Coulter, Shaughnessy, Briethbart, Jackson, Norris, Nugent, Heaton, Kid Rock, the guys on WMAL, the entire Fox News staff–they are all liars.
Democrats calling Republicans on their lies: Holocaust.
Republicans shouting "You Lie!" at the President during his State of the Union speech, or claiming that global warming scientists are spreading "lies from the pit of Hell": Freedom!
Thanks for making that clear, WSJ. Sometimes we forget.
The Onion weighs in, and once again, hits it out of the park: http://www.theonion.com/articles/romney-proudly-e…
Ice Cream Cohen's Deli & Sweets? This is the first business plan that's makin' sense to me!
Seems like you're being awfully persnickety about this.
You know you love being stickled"
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