Hero Arkansas Rep. Pens Fabulous Paean To Slavery And Nazism

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Jon Hubbard, Frustrated ConservativeArkansas Representative Jon Hubbard (R-Dixieland) would just like to go on the record and clear a few things up. For example, the era of Political Correctness has led to a profound mis-characterizations of slavery, which was actually a blessing in disguise (but only for black people) because have you SEEN Africa? He hears it is a total shithole. And Nazis — were they REALLY so bad?  And if you think he’s stupid, it’s not his fault; you can blame integration. Jon Hubbard feels these things so strongly that he has written them down in a book that is widely available on Amazon, a few excepts of which are included after the fold.

So first things first. Slavery was a net positive, ESPECIALLY for black people, because it gave them a pathway to legal residency in the United States.

“… the institution of slavery that the black race has long believed to be an abomination upon its people may actually have been a blessing in disguise. The blacks who could endure those conditions and circumstances would someday be rewarded with citizenship in the greatest nation ever established upon the face of the Earth.” (Pages 183-89)

Of course, they couldn’t take advantage of full benefits of citizenship until the passage of the Civil Rights Act, and some would argue that African Americans are still deprived of equal access to citizenship rights due to the combined effects of systemic racism. But all’s well that ends well! And Hubbard suggests that the next time they’re crying and whining about racism, they should ask themselves if things would have worked out better for them in Africa.

African Americans must “understand that even while in the throes of slavery, their lives as Americans are likely much better than they ever would have enjoyed living in sub-Saharan Africa…Knowing what we know today about life on the African continent, would an existence spent in slavery have been any crueler than a life spent in sub-Saharan Africa?” (Pages 93 and 189)

See, guys, you MUST understand that. But you have to explain this to Blacks, because they aren’t super good at book-learnin, unlike white Southern conservatives like Hubbard, who excel at the arts of literature and rhetoric.

“Wouldn’t life for blacks in America today be more enjoyable and successful if they would only learn to appreciate the value of a good education?” (Page 184)

And BY THE WAY, if you think Hubbard sucks at literature and rhetoric, he does, and it’s because of integration, not because he’s racist or stupid.

“… one of the stated purposes of school integration was to bring black students up to a level close to that of white students. But, to the great disappointment of everyone, the results of this theory worked exactly in reverse of its intended purpose, and instead of black students rising to the educational levels previously attained by white students, the white students dropped to the level of black students. To make matters worse the lack of discipline and ambition of black students soon became shared by their white classmates, and our educational system has been in a steady decline ever since.” (Page 27)

We figure that Hubbard has the following choices: 1) Claim that calling his book racist is more racist than actual racism. 2) Argue that we are all entitled to our opinions, and anyone who thinks that he isn’t entitled to his hates free speech and America. 3) Run to Mike Huckabee or Rush Limbaugh for cover and wait there until the GOP gets past the “we’re shocked, SHOCKED” phase and rallies around him. 4) Issue a non-apology apology about how he used the wrong words. Any guesses? We will keep you updated.

[Arkansas Times]

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273 comments

  1. Mittaplasia

    If there are no rules against slavery in the bible, maybe the slavers thought they were doing favors, so it was all kindness-motivated? Where do they get these people? Will they accept returns?

    1. PsycWench

      The picture looks like every over-30 man that went to the church I was forced to go to as a child. Parents eventually gave up.

        1. Negropolis

          Nah. Didn't you know that all the black blood totally overwhelms and destroys the white blood? I read it somewhere on the conservative internets so it must be true.

  2. weejee

    Silly Hubbard, the mother, forgot the Noble Savages and how the loving arms that gave them blankets used in small pox wards was just tough love that helped those indigenous peoples to develop stronger autoimmune systems.

    1. finallyhappy

      There were actually(as I remember) more deaths from common illnesses spread by the various "explorers" to the only non-immigrants in the North and South America. just their presence- also their sexing with the locals- was enough to killl off a huge % of the population in certain places

      1. Isyaignert

        Ah yes, and tomorrow we celebrate Christopher Columbus, who brought those exotic diseases to the Native Americans and opened the Atlantic Ocean for slave trade.

        1. Yellerdawg

          It is NOT Columbus day! It's a " teacher in service" day that just happens to fall on what used to be Coumbus say.

  3. a_pink_poodle

    Oh those lazy black people. Why can't they pull themselves up by their bootstraps and become white already?

        1. Fare la Volpe

          Ugh. It just occurred to me that somewhere down the line some asshole Italian designer is going to make "Slave Chic" a thing.

          1. Negropolis

            And then claim "We can't be racists/xenophobic; we're European" as if the two things are incompatible. lol It's their "some of my best friends are blah."

          2. Simple J Malarkey

            After all, the Holocaust was decades ago! Most Europeans weren't even born yet! And with their sterling record of welcoming immigrants from their former colonies, who could accuse any European of racism??

          3. Simple J Malarkey

            Good lord. I never would have believed this if I didn't see it myself. I still had to google it to convince myself it was real. God — the flack calling it "quirky and lighthearted." Unbelievable.

            I don't know why I should be so shocked. I guess it's that crossing the line — from attitudes and words, to actual physical cultural artifacts. A ghastly concept goes from an abstract idea to a concrete reality.

            I can picture this starting in a brain-storming session. Someone said, how about a sneaker with slave shackles? In my world, everyone would just look at the guy in stunned embarrassed silence, then move on. Not at Adidas. They said, what a quirky and lighthearted idea! They made a design. They planned the materials. They made a fucking prototype. They started promoting this thing as a product. And they still didn't realize how awful an idea this was.

            I hope the Museum of Tolerance acquires the prototype and puts it on display.

    1. Callyson

      "I recently picked up the literature of a candidate running for office and the dominant item on the front of the literature is a statement that the candidate will put the people of his district first. As I thought about that statement I wondered what the statement really meant. I believe it can only mean that the politician will bring home the bacon to his district. He will do something special for the people of his district. For years politicians have been buying votes by promising and delivering special benefits to particular individuals or groups. Buying votes with favors is not my compass."

      Yeah, tell those lazy constituents I am not there to serve *their* lazy asses–if they expect any representation, they can pay for it just like the Kochs do…

      /FFS, again…

    2. BloviateMe

      "When I was criticizing President Obama's redistribution philosophy, a liberal friend once ask me, "Charlie, what would Jesus say"? I told her I knew exactly what Jesus would say. He would say "thou shall not steal"!"

      Interesting, Arkansas candidate Fuqua. Since you clearly know the mind of Jesus, could you elaborate on what he considers stealing? The concept is a little muddy to me.

    3. PubOption

      But Fuqua also wrote "God's Law for America". Could he explain how that differs from Sharia?

  4. Doktor Zoom

    instead of black students rising to the educational levels previously attained by white students, the white students dropped to the level of black students

    Or rather, throughout the South, the white students whose parents could afford it moved to "private academies," and then the funding for the public schools was slashed.

    Funny how that worked out. We should probably make vouchers available so that everyone can abandon the public schools, and entrepreneurs can make a tidy profit, as God commands.

      1. Negropolis

        And, if only this had just happened in the South. This happened in just about every metropolitan area you can think of.

          1. Negropolis

            Yep. The process was different (more subtle and on its surface not explicity race-based), but the results ultimately the same, and that's exactly how it was intended and engineered.

  5. BloviateMe

    I hope his response includes something to the effect of "now wait a cotton pickin' minute here, I'm not a racist!"

  6. Callyson

    Shorter version:

    Confessions of a Frustrated Conservative

    The rent boys stopped taking my calls…

  7. Pap Finn

    More bellowing from the tar pit.

    Face your impending extinction with dignity, wrinkly, white, racist fucks. Oh, wait, they don't have any…

  8. Callyson

    "American Christians are assuming a similar stance as did the citizens of Germany during Hitler's rise to power."

    Black people and Hitler–together at last!

    /FFS

    1. Esteev

      Does he mean the American Christians are denigrating an entire race because of fear and ignorance? It can't be.

  9. tessiee

    "school integration was to bring black students up to a level close to that of white students. But, to the great disappointment of everyone, the results of this theory worked exactly in reverse of its intended purpose, and instead of black students rising to the educational levels previously attained by white students, the white students dropped to the level of black students."

    I bet he thinks he's a paragon of restraint for getting through this entire paragraph without *actually* using the word "cooties".

    1. pdiddycornchips

      That's one theory. Another is you southern crackers are dumb as tree stumps and the brothers and sisters sitting in the back of the class had nothing to do with it.

    2. anniegetyerfun

      There's also the simple fact that this isn't true. There wouldn't be a concern about the "achievement gap" if white and black students were performing at the same level.

  10. tessiee

    All conservatives are frustrated conservatives. that's why they're all such hateful shit heads.

  11. no_gravity

    and instead of black students rising to the educational levels previously attained by white students, the white students dropped to the level of black students.

    Yep, and that's how we ended up with a black (half black for the nitpicking type) president because all the now stupidz whites voted for him.

    Of course, the same could be said about electing George W, too.

  12. Hera Sent Me

    What about the free boat ride here? And those free chains once you got here (slave bling!)? And how about all those whips to help you know your place?

    How ungrateful can some people be?

    1. Lascauxcaveman

      Oh, man, you had me at "free boat ride!" I love boats! Where do I sign up?

      (Uh oh, I just realized I went to school with several black kids. By racist idiot logic, this means that the racist idiot was right.)

  13. upthruster

    "The blacks who could endure those conditions and circumstances would someday be rewarded with citizenship in the greatest nation ever established upon the face of the Earth.”

    I wonder if all the whites that survived the bubonic plague felt "rewarded" when the Inquisition came around?

    1. Katydid

      As someone of Hebraic descent, I sure feel I missed out because my family was being oppressed in Germany at that time, and not in Spain. Some people can never win.

  14. Mittaplasia

    Moar chlorine in the gene pool STAT. Oops, too late; those evil genies won't go back into the bottle, either..grrr! Time to sleaze over to Yahoo and piss off some folks, see ya!

  15. bflrtsplk

    I was wondering when somebody like this was going to sort this all out for us.

    (Sarcasm off)

        1. Simple J Malarkey

          "Stereotypes are communicable!"

          Not the good ones, apparently. I'm a middle-aged white guy and I went to grade school with black kids. Even going through puberty surrounded by black guys, my penis did not grow beyond stereotypical white guy proportions.

          Also, I still dance like a middle-aged white guy.

          1. sbj1964

            Still any Asian would trade places with you,and gladly be as dumb as a University of Alabama grad for your large American penis.It's all about perspective.

          2. Simple J Malarkey

            Are you saying I'm as dumb as a University of Alabama grad??

            (I'm not necessarily arguing… just asking…)

          3. sbj1964

            Not at all.The trade up would be worth the price.Think about it an Asian with a 7 inch cock would be like a rock star in they're porno industry.

          4. Simple J Malarkey

            Also, just to clear up a potential misunderstanding —

            When people refer to us white guys as "big dicks" they usually aren't referring to anatomy.

          5. sbj1964

            Well that maybe true for some,but for some of us the brothers ain't got shit.Libel John Holms.

    1. DemmeFatale

      When my daughters complained about the Asian kids "ruining the curve," in math class, (they used any excuse), Mr. Fatale replied that, back in the day, they used to say the same thing about the Jewish kids.
      That shut them up.

  16. ThundercatHo

    I think we should drop this guy in Africa so he could teach the natives there all about the virtues of slavery and white education. I also hear that swimming with hippos is the bomb.

  17. ElPinche

    The Holocaust (IF it happened) was also awesome. It expedited the ending of WW II and created some wicked funny Mel Brooks material.

    1. MosesInvests

      Yeah, the Krauts were so busy murdering my relatives that it interfered with fighting the Allies.

    2. Radiotherapy

      Just like we cleared our land of the filthy savage redskins, so too was the Hitmann able to make some lebensraum by clearing out 30 million of those unappreciative Slavs.

  18. sbj1964

    The problem in American schools is we are still teaching kids in the 21st century with tools,and methods of the 18th century.We now have the technology to let every child progress at their own speed without outdated on mass equivalency's that force the child to be left behind in the first place,like a child's education is a production line product.

    1. MikeNanotube

      Yeah; with today's technology, there could be a tremendous paradigm shift. At the moment, teachers focus all their attention on teaching each batch of kids in such a mechanical and inefficient fashion. They really ought to be pooling their resources together to constantly improve and tune the courses these kids are learning, then have students engage with the material online/remotely, collaborating or asking the teacher when they come across material they're having trouble with. What we need is the sort of education system they've been presenting on Tedtalks for a while now. It's more resource-eficcient and more effective. It's, lucky for me, the sort of system my college uses. So why hasn't our public education system taken on such a form? I'd like to hear those excuses.

      Sometimes it scares me that our education system is so bad that people never even learn why it's bad.

      1. sbj1964

        TED has some good ideas in the subject,but until educators,and legislators act parents will have to be educated as well;it is time to adapt to a new world,or risk certain extinction of an entire generation of educated kids in our society.We are losing kids,and all people do is accept the failure of the system.

      2. Simple J Malarkey

        "They really ought to be pooling their resources together to constantly improve and tune the courses these kids are learning"

        The principal and teachers at my kid's public elementary school would love to do that. They do as much as they can.

        Only two obstacles:
        1) Located in United States, so NCLB and CCSSI require teaching to the tests, and no time or funding for anything else.
        2) Located in California, so no funding for education at all, period.

    1. Katydid

      O/T…this woman I work with was telling me on Friday about some tasteless article she saw on The Onion website, that she claimed was entirely true. I tried to tell her it's satire, but she wouldn't hear of it.

    1. LibertyLover

      I also remember an episode of Mission Impossible where the team puts some special dye into a racist's shower and it turned his skin darker…

      Seems like there were quite a few of these type of tv and movie themes in the 70's.

  19. Rotundo_

    And still the republican party wonders why it isn't making inroads with the African American and Hispanic communities. I am sure that when they see the logic offered by Jon here, they will realize that they are truly fortunate that their ancestors were hauled over in the bottoms of ships, beaten, raped and killed like chattel and that even now, they have to fight for the same rights that Jon takes for granted here in these United States. They will suddenly decide to vote for people like Jon, who have offered the blessings of prejudice and economic deprivation and exploitation to them here in these United States of America.

  20. mbobier

    My, my, my! This book obviously isn't patronizing, arrogant, or racist at ALL! Whatever would black folk do without white folk to tell them how great slavery was, and how bad they are at being people, because they're so black?

    Somebody's been smoking his socks down there in Crackhead County.

  21. C_R_Eature

    I'd like to know how many times the Publisher had to do a Find-and-Replace search for the word "Nigra" on the original draft document.

  22. C_R_Eature

    "instead of black students rising to the educational levels previously attained by white students, the white students dropped to the level of black students "

    So, by Rep. Hubbard's logic, we should exclude Southern White Fundamentalist Racist kids from attending classes with smart children because they'd Dumb everybody down.

      1. C_R_Eature

        Now you will have to write "That's not Racial Transcendence" 500 times on the blackboard.

        Then you may leave the corner and have a cookie.

          1. C_R_Eature

            I love the sound of Screeetching in the morning!

            (I remember those! The Screeetching was the reason I was never allowed to use them.)

    1. Jukesgrrl

      If you guys still have an extra dime hanging around, Arizona is REALLY CLOSE to electing a DEMOCRATIC U.S. SENATOR!! Richard Carmona, former Surgeon General, trauma doc, decorated Special Forces vet, etc., etc., is polling a teeny bit ahead of a Mormon tea bagger. He has great ads but needs $ putting them on. http://www.carmonaforarizona.com/

  23. Corrugated Palin

    As far as guesses, I'm going with option 4, to be immediately followed by option 1 in the same speech.

  24. BlueStateLibel

    If slavery is so good, then the Blue States should just enslave the Red Staters, teach them about science, reason and dental hygeine. It'll be good for them.

    1. tessiee

      The textile manufactuers already tried that; then they found other places that were even shittier.

  25. LibertyLover

    “… the institution of slavery that the black race has long believed to be an abomination upon its people may actually have been a blessing in disguise. The blacks who could endure those conditions and circumstances would someday be rewarded with citizenship in the greatest nation ever established upon the face of the Earth.” (Pages 183-89)

    "… would be rewarded with being able to play basketball better than the white man…" Jimmy the Greek circa 1988.

  26. LibrarianX

    If I clog my toilet with shit, that's a net positive because I've provided a pathway to income for my plumber?

    1. LibertyLover

      You certainly provide a pathway for income for my spouse (who designs WW treatment plants). And we thank you very much.

  27. C_R_Eature

    OK People – Wonk-Pool time!

    How many Illegitimate African-American children does Representative Hubbard have?

    a). 1
    b). 2
    c). 6
    d). None of the Above
    e). Some of the Above
    f). AOTK

    1. tessiee

      I'm pretty sure it's logically impossible for
      e) Some of the Above
      include
      d) None of the above.

      1. C_R_Eature

        You are, of course correct. The order should have read e). and then d). Thanks for catching that egregious error – I usually am smarter than that.

        I blame this on exposure to the Dumbing Influence of Representative Hubbard. Hopefully, I'll recover soon.

    1. sullivanst

      I think even L Ron Hubbard would think this guy was way out of the mainstream, let alone Edwin Hubble.

  28. Abernathy

    I'll guess #4 and suggest something along the lines of, "It's not elegantly stated, let me put it that way."

  29. LibertyLover

    Perhaps we need to Segregate Congress and put the Representatives from the Red States all together since they are dragging down the progress of the Blue States? Oh wait.. we tried that in the Civil War…

        1. nirrti_rachelle

          Well…It's more like that one turd that still keeps floating back up no matter how many times you flush the toilet.

    1. unclejeems

      Yep, them-uns is my daddy's people. And you'uns is a-welcome to stop by any time an' share in their Christ-centered cracker lives, where they all love them some brothers and sisters in Christ and no family tree ever really branches.

  30. Radiotherapy

    How soon we forget guys!

    And thus I feel the power of science:

    This is one strange permeation of Godwin's Law.
    Radio's Corollary:
    As an election cycle grows longer, the probability of a teabagger/Republican emulating Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

    1. woolmyn

      Apparently, they don't all love Hitler. I don't usually waste my time arguing with them but couldn't resist getting into it with one who had posted an anti-Obama screed on my niece's facebook page. The time spent finally paid off for me when he posted: "Obama has been the worst president since Hitler!" Made my week!

  31. LibertyLover

    With Dok Zoom's earlier post on home-schooling the children of the faithful and this post, I've got that South Pacific Song, You Have to be Carefully Taught, running through my head…

    Is that weird?

  32. samedwards_net

    There is nothing "conservative" about this crap… I can think of a much more fitting c-word for it though

    1. Negropolis

      Why, much like slavery, it's a blessing in disguise, of course. Plus, as we've all learned in recent weeks, a woman's body can shut the whole thing down if it really wants to.

  33. Joshua Norton

    The blacks who could endure those conditions and circumstances would someday be rewarded with citizenship in the greatest nation ever established upon the face of the Earth

    His ignorance is so astounding that I have to believe he actually doesn't exist, because nobody can be this stupid and survive without collapsing under the density of their own idiocy.

      1. NellCote71

        I really wish you could see how innocuous my comment was. Not a wrong/bad/banned word anywhere in sight.

    1. Simple J Malarkey

      Depends on the kind of ID. Wonkette accepts photo ID with your current address and an expiration date. Concealed carry permit is ideal. School ID is not accepted.

  34. iburl

    By his logic, we could enslave everybody in the south and put them to work on the coasts. Life is better there by almost every possible measure. I'm sure he'll understand if we have to kill the weak, split up families, beat them with whips, shoot them if they try to leave, treat them strictly as the private property of the Californians and New Yorkers that own them and deprive them of every one of their rights. They will be so thankful in 500 years, if they aren't too stupid to appreciate what we did for them.

          1. bibliotequetress

            My people are simple poetry writing, Guinness swilling folk who now all seem to work for Microsoft and Island Records. Please don't unleash the retrograde power of a hundred flabby tons of American Trailer Trash upon them. They are defenseless. They can kick Maggie Thatcher's ass, but they are helpless before the face of someone who's life dream is a bass boat and a hunting dog who will lick human balls.

          2. Redgyal

            Seriously, I think they can handle it. I have heard rumors that some Irish even think like this guy too. So they would be in good company.

          3. bibliotequetress

            While it's true that there are some, it is amazing how much more bigoted and racist Irish Americans are as a culture than the Irish Irish. For example, while the NY & Boston Hibernian clubs were getting their knickers in a twist over OPEN-GAY-IRISHFOLK marching and carrying banners in their St. Pat's Parades, the Dublin St Pat's… has never had that problem. Ever. Gay groups have marched in the parade since at least the late 70s/early 80s, but no one seems to remember because it was a non-issue.

          4. bibliotequetress

            I forgot to add, I do not want the Irish alienated by the US before the next wave of Irish teen cousins looking for summer construction jobs is sleeping in my dining room. My bathroom needs to be renovated before it rots into the basement.

  35. chascates

    In America, you get food to eat
    Won't have to run through the jungle and scuff up your feet
    You just sing about Jesus, drink wine all day
    It's great to be an American

    Ain't no lions or tigers, ain't no mamba snake
    Just the sweet watermelon and the buckwheat cake
    Everybody is as happy as a man can be
    Climb aboard little wog, sail away with me

    Sail Away
    by Randy Newman

  36. docterry6973

    Now, now, everyone knows that if we reject his, ah, analysis then we are infringing on his First Amendment rights, which clearly state that Republican racist speech cannot be criticized.

    I believe that Lincoln said slavery should be applied first to those who wished it for themselves, and second to those who wished it for others. Smart guy.

    Oh, and where is General Sherman when we need him?

    1. BlueStateLibel

      You would think that over a century later, these nuts would have learned their lesson, but no…

  37. tessiee

    “… one of the stated purposes of school integration was to bring black students up to a level close to that of white students. But, to the great disappointment of everyone, the results of this theory worked exactly in reverse of its intended purpose, and instead of black students rising to the educational levels previously attained by white students, the white students dropped to the level of black students."

    What, after all the determined effort of Beka textbooks to abolish factual information, and even the ability to think and learn — now, all of a sudden, now it's BAD to be a stupid ignoramus?

  38. Angry_Marmot

    As much as I'd like to see Hubbard disappear up his own asshole, I'd rather have these folks out in the open where we can see 'em. I'm more worried about his constituency.

  39. Barrelhse

    What a stupid pigfucker. This will be the mentality behind our government if Romney wins- pathetic. It seems that the GOP has been feeding and grooming the dimmest minds in order to get the votes they need for their "permanent majority". Of course the rubes, yokels and Christians will be left in the dust once the money gets power-"Sayonara, asswipes!"- along with the rest of us.

    1. Calapine

      ..the immigration issue, both legal and illegal… will lead to planned wars or extermination. Although now this seems to be barbaric and uncivilized, it will at some point become as necessary as eating and breathing." (Page 9)

      "American Christians are assuming a similar stance as did the citizens of Germany during Hitler's rise to power." (Page 158)

      Nazi enough for you, Mr. Swampgas?

  40. Barrelhse

    He forgot to mention that blahs would never have sung the Blues if they weren't viciously torn from their homeland and and brought to the Shining City on the Hill, to slave their abject lives away with absolutely NOTHING in life to look forward to.
    And we all love the Blues.

  41. fartknocker

    I remember when Trent Lott was forced to resign and it wasn't as bad as the vile pouring out of this goat fuck's gullet.

  42. Rotundo_

    This isn't a book to be lightly tossed aside, it should be thrown with great force. Though this was said of an Ayn Rand book, it also seems to fit quite well here.

    1. Negropolis

      Looks like Capriles may have pulled this one out, but you can never know in Venezuela. Hell, if their exit polls are half as good as ours, than we can be sure that Chavez has won. lol

      1. Mojopo

        I thought I braced myself for the steal adequately, but I was wrong. Very sad night in the Mojopo home.

        1. Negropolis

          Yeah, I saw it, too. I was hoping the exits were right, but knew that the major polls had had Chavez up the entire time. Still, this must be a scare for him, but of course he won't take it that way.

          1. doloras

            What the shit are you guys talking about? Jimmy Carter said it, the Venezuelan electoral system is the fairest in the world. You've swallowed Fox News lies about Chavez The Ebil Dictator (who, really, is just the President that so many on here WISH that Barry Obama could be, what with the telling the teabaggers to just go piss up a rope and terrifying the 1% and all).

            I assume Mojopo is a Venezuelan exile and thus can't be expected to be objective, but you, Negropolis? Why were you backing Capriles, the Venezuelan Mitt Romney (moderate on the surface, howling Randroid underneath)? You do realise, don't you, that when it comes to insane howling racism to the Nigra President, the Venezuelan opposition make Jerome Corsi look moderate.

          2. Negropolis

            Excuse me, but WTF? I said I should have known he would win because all the major pollsters had him up. How you read into that that you think that I think he stole the election is beyond me.

            BTW, I was backing Capriles if for no other reason than that I though Chavez had consolidated far too much power and changed far too many rules for his tenure to be worth it any longer. I don't care if his politics match up more with mine than the other guy's; left, right or otherwise, Chavez has overstayed his welcome. Oh, and to call Capriles the "Venezuelan Mitt Romney" is so hyperbolic as to just be plain precious. And, if you think the Venezuelan opposition has a monopoly on racism when all Chavez's side did was make insinuations about Capriles sexuality and tried to paint him with the most blantat anti-semitism I've seen in awhile (portraying him as some "money-grubbing Jew" and Zionist), then I'm not sure what to tell you. This went beyond simple politics, for me. You have to be able to call your own side when it overreaches and or turns into a cult, and I don't even think you can make an argument that Chavez has not overreached in the worst of ways.

            Were this simply an election between social democracy and no-holds-barred capitalism, this would be a no brainer. But you can't have this kind of election with Chavez present. What they have down there is more of a sham democracy than most in that they have the physical infrastructure of a democracy (but even that's being rolled back with strong-armed changes to the constitution), but with a guy who's created such a cult of personality that it doesn't function like a truly representative democracy in practice, IMHO.

          3. Mojopo

            I need more coffee than what I've had to adequately tell Doloras to kiss my ass, so I'm going to read what Negropolis wrote several times in a row until I chill the fuck down.

          4. Mojopo

            Fuck it, I'll do it live.

            Doloras, you insipid sinkhole of hyperbole, I'm an American and a Liberal. And I have friends in VE, who I trust with my life, explaining to me what it's like to live there when one is not not the celebrity tour with Chavez. I fully understand the depletion of the food basket there, the power outages and crumbling infrastructure. And like any decent human being, my heart goes out to the people in Caracas who have to lock themselves inside at night because their streets are more dangerous than Baghdad.

            Meanwhile, I have to hear people like you puke up these ridiculous things.

            Hugo Chavez did exactly what Negropolis said and more. So I have to wonder, Doloras, why you are deaf and blind to the people with dissenting opinions that don't match the pristine view from your place of self-righteousness and misinformation. Do you even know anyone who from VE who has been threatened by their government for being a member of the opposition? Do you even know what it feels like for them, or what it means? I do. And I even worry that if by typing this that I make their lives harder. But I know each would tell me that if anyone loves freedom, they should never be silent.

            There are two lefts in VE. One is owned and operated by Hugo Chavez, and the other is reality-based. Until you wrap your mind around that we can never have a meaningful conversation.

  43. Barrelhse

    Jesus, Hubbard. You think black people are LAZY? Maybe it's YOUR turn to do a lifetime of slave labor, big-mouth.

    What a fucking tool.

  44. sullivanst

    We figure that Hubbard has the following choices: 1) Claim that calling his book racist is more racist than actual racism. 2) Argue that we are all entitled to our opinions, and anyone who thinks that he isn’t entitled to his hates free speech and America. 3) Run to Mike Huckabee or Rush Limbaugh for cover and wait there until the GOP gets past the “we’re shocked, SHOCKED” phase and rallies around him. 4) Issue a non-apology apology about how he used the wrong words. Any guesses? We will keep you updated.

    My guess? All of the above and in that order. Although, #4 could appear at any time. Bit more difficult to get away with in a book though, which one would normally assume has gone through some kind of editorial process (in this particular case, I'd listen to arguments that it hadn't, I mean, who the fuck would actually examine that with a critical eye and think 'yeah, that's OK to print'?)

  45. Negropolis

    I ain't havin' it. I will not be preached to by some Arkansas saltine about the value of a "good education." Not gonna happen. Yeah, I said it.

    To make matters worse the lack of discipline and ambition of black students soon became shared by their white classmates…

    And, there he goes. He fit in all of his favorite stereotypes and ended it with "the blacks is corruptin' all our snowflakes." Keep fuckin' that (Arkansas Tyson) chicken.

    Now, let me tell you, these are the "lies from the pit of hell."

    1. Sassomatic

      If by "ambition and discipline" he means bowing to the social order of the dominant culture, then fuck him, maybe we did learn it from the black kids. Fuck your social order.

  46. SayItWithWookies

    The blacks who could endure those conditions and circumstances would someday be rewarded with citizenship in the greatest nation ever established upon the face of the Earth.” (Pages 183-89)

    Oh right — "the blacks" who could cut it over here were rewarded with citizenship. Maybe not their own citizenship, exactly — coming, as it did, two or three or four generations after them — but at least their great-great-grandchildren were free. Except for the lynchings, poll taxes, redlining and Jim Crow laws that existed for another hundred years.

    So really, they should thank the white people who enslaved them and thus contributed to their citizenship. They should also be grateful that those same white people earned all the privileges of American citizenship by being sentenced here for crimes they had committed in England. I'll bet that really makes them feel grateful.

  47. mavenmaven

    He's just going along with Carl Jung, who said that the mongrelization of whites with the Negros is why Germany will win WWII. See?

      1. mavenmaven

        Its not just that he was a racist and anti semite, it was the basis of his approach, to "de-judaize analysis" and to rescue superior Nordic man for the inferior races. Plenty of citations. http://www.diss.fu-berlin.de/diss/servlets/MCRFil
        "The inferior man exercises a tremendous pull upon civilized beings who are forced to live with him, because he fascinates the inferior layer of our psyche … To our unconscious mind contact with primitives recalls not only our childhood, but also our prehistory…. Therefore he needs very definite defenses. The Latin peoples, being older, don’t need to be so much on their guard, hence their attitude toward the Negro is different from that of the Nordics."
        "it is an instinctive prejudice, and the fact is that if distant races are mixed, the fertility is very low, as one sees with the white and the negro; a negro woman very rarely conceives from a white man. If she does, a mulatto is the result and he is apt to be a bad character."

        1. Chet Kincaid_

          That's an interesting dissertation, I will read it. I find it amusing that he is actually saying in that quote that Nordics are more primitive than Latins, which is kind of the opposite of what Nazis believed.

          Even skimming it for the last 20 minutes though, there is a lot more to it than a couple of quotes that make it look like Jung was literally a Nazi. It's interesting also that people would take his attempts to deflect from his pre-war anti-Semitic and pro-Nordic views as damning evidence, rather than an acknowledgement, in the wake of the Holocaust, that he had fucked up.

          I am long past being shocked and outraged that people were a product of their times.

          1. mavenmaven

            Wagner was a product of his times. Perhaps Heidegger. But the racist core is central to Jung's thought (Bloch wrote a lot about that), and he was very aggressive about "de-judaizing psychoanalysis" with all his Wotan nonsense. The New Agey folks like him because he sort of legitimizes fantasizing about elves and fairies, but its hard to escape how dangerous is the idea that we carry certain ideations as a result of our genes or race.

          2. Chet Kincaid_

            It's easy to dismiss Wotan, elves and fairies as just nonsense not worth talking about in our enlightened age, but the fact that so much of our psychological history is taken up with these "fantasies" makes them worth discussing for what they represent.

            My layman's understanding is that the Jung/Freud beef boiled down to Freud believing everything about the human mind could be explained by what's in your pants, while Jung believed that there was more to "individuation" than having your "id" frustrated. Jung also objected to a psychology based on studying the sick being extrapolated to account for the psychology of the healthy. That dissertation seems to be saying that Jung believed the reductionism was somehow inherently "Jewish", but the critique still stands even if you take that element out of the beef, doesn't it?

            But nobody except, as you say, New Agers, gives a shit what Jung thought about anything beyond some of the individuation stuff and the introvert/extrovert stuff, and anyway, aren't we about 100 years past pretending that what either Freud or Jung was up to was "science"?

  48. bibliotequetress

    Want to annihilate Thanksgiving dinner with your white Southern family? When someone defends Hubbard, and someone will defend Hubbard, ask how this explains why black women, like white women, are attending college at percentages increasing much more quickly and drastically than white men. Then sweetly suggest that maybe white men need an affirmative action program. Then grab the Jack Daniels and go sit on the porch with your slice of pecan pie.

    1. Negropolis

      I'm afraid you might actually get some support on the idea as this demographic is also home to most of the "men's rights" advocates you find out there. You know, the one's that believe that white males are the most discriminated against group in America, today. They are the real victims.

  49. Redgyal

    How about this: The black race that has for so long been believed to be an abomination upon America by the white race may actually have been a blessing in disguise. The blacks who could endure those conditions and circumstances of slavery would provide countless years of free labor that would play a major role in creating the greatest nation ever established upon the face of the earth.

    I think that is what he really meant.

  50. shawnthesheep

    Of course, years of colonialism and oppression by whites in Sub-Saharan Africa has NOTHING to do with the social and economic problems there. Thank God those white slave traders saved those blahs from being oppressed in their homelands, enabling them instead to be tortured, murdered and oppressed in the greatest nation God has ever created on the greatest planet in the best solar system in the supreme galaxy of the most wonderful universe that has ever been anywhere in the history of all mankind.

  51. bibliotequetress

    I had not realized there were no lazy and stupid white southerners before desegregation. If that's true, I'm impressed by how quickly they have overpopulated.

  52. Negropolis

    Those damn Blahs. Look what they did to poor The Honey Boo Boo Child, bless her stupid little pig-heart. They done sucked all her brains out, the monsters! We're practically brain vampies, us Blahs.

  53. Chet Kincaid_

    This is straight-up, old-fashioned, unabashed and completely ordinary Racism. There is no novel construction, dog whistle or attempt at evasion that's at least audaciously mockable. Thanks for playing, everyone, but it's kind of hard to make funnies about that. It's also hard to make excuses for educated Baby Boomer Southerners who ought to have stumbled across some degree of enlightenment, instead of being exactly like their forefathers.

  54. James Michael Curley

    The world of so-called new media gets its final viewing, at least by me, when even MSNBC brings on an ass hole like John Sununu who says the lack luster debate by Obama is because he "lacks common intelligence and is lazy."

    The plug should have been pulled right after he said that and six seconds before the seven second delay expired. But MSNBC has shown it on almost every succeeding show as a 'news' item.

  55. Sassomatic

    By "knowing what we know today about the African continent" mean knowing about the lasting effects of brutal oppression of imperialist nations?

  56. Sassomatic

    Why do you people hate freedom of speech? Have you never heard of the Constitution? Hello, that's how the forefathers set the blacks free, you racists.

  57. ttommyunger

    Let me guess: this turd holds a position of responsibility in a local Protestant Church, belongs to several civic organizations (Kiwanis, Chamber of Commerce, Optimist Club, etc.) and is considered by his peers (middle-aged white racist turds) to be a pillar of his community. Spare me from such people.

  58. Cognitive Dissident

    geez, I know this was already done in an episode of the The Twilight Zone… but this guy wins the prize for "Most Deserving of a Twilight Zone-style-retro-active-reincarnation-as-an-African-American-born-into-Slavery-in-I-dunno…1776"

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