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Fuddy-Duddy Bush Lawyer Rains On Romney Middle East Torture Parties

What does the Geneva Convention say about Sarlacc pits?There’s this guy running for president, see, and he keeps yelling about “America” and “freedom” and how noble our pursuits are, and how barbaric and backwards and cruel our enemies are, and how “the values of this great land are those values that make us the greatest nation on earth,” which sounds great, until you get reminded that the guy, Mitt Romney, duh, also wants to scoop up strangers in other countries and torture them because they look kinda shady, as decided by pretty much anybody who feels like it.

Freedom isn’t free, you know, and a lot of the time it seems to look like the opposite of freedom actually, but don’t worry, it’s freedom.

From the New York Times:

“We’ll use enhanced interrogation techniques which go beyond those that are in the military handbook right now,” he said at a news conference in Charleston, S.C., in December.

The campaign policy paper does not specify which techniques Mr. Romney should approve, saying more study was needed because Mr. Obama had “permanently damaged” the value of some by releasing memorandums detailing Bush-era techniques in April 2009.

Oh, good. Old Thumbscrews is only in favor of secret kinds of torture.

Speaking of secret torture, it’s been an awful long time since we’ve heard from a Bush administration legal advisor:

“I think the likelihood of a return to waterboarding and other extreme interrogation techniques is — despite polls and Romney campaign statements – nill,” wrote Jack Goldsmith, on Wednesday. “There are many reasons for this … but the main one is that such techniques are now indisputably illegal.”

Say it ain’t so! You mean … you mean to say that beating people and holding them down to pour water into their mouth and nose is… not so good? But what about the freeeedom? Next thing you know Thumbscrews is going to start talking crazy about dungeons or something:

I don’t want the people that are carrying out attacks on this country to be brought into our jail system and be given legal representation in this country. I want to make sure that what happened to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed happens to other people who are terrorists… He went to Guantanamo, and he met GIs and CIA interrogators, and that’s just exactly how it ought to be.

AH! Who was that monster speaking there, the one talking about how courts and justice are too good for terror suspects? Yeah, that was Thumbscrews again, back in 2007. It was in the debate with John McCain in which Thumbscrews also repeatedly refused to answer a direct question about whether waterboarding was torture, because he wanted to ask McCain about it before he decided, and McCain was all like “Bro, it’s torture,” and Thumbscrews was all, “Naaah.”

And now the former head of the Office of Legal Counsel has reminded us how Mr. Romney proposes to be super tough for our national defense: All schmucks accused of terror could (and should, dammit) be subject to indefinite imprisonment, without legal representation, so they can be tortured, using techniques no one will talk about, because we are the good guys. [ThinkProgress]

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  • hagajim

    Lets reinstitute the Rack, and Keelhauling, for the win.

    • RedneckMuslin

      That's tortured logic.

    • sullivanst

      Iron Maiden or GTFO!

      And I don't just mean blaring hair metal from boomboxes.

    • http://simplyleftbehind.blogspot.com/ actor212

      He'll approve of any torture method Skynet authorizes.

  • chascates

    Holdouts will be forced to listen to a reading from the Book of Mormon while wearing magic underwear.

    • Boojum

      There are limits.

  • http://rightthinkingamerican.blogspot.com johnnyzhivago

    Mitt Romney: CREATING JOBS in the Torture Industry!

    • GeorgiaBurning

      How much Wackenhut stock does he own?

      • RedneckMuslin

        Tee hee. You said wackenhut.

    • Radiotherapy

      Until he loads the companies up with debt and sends the jobs to China.

      • chicken_thief

        Labor rates are also too low in the Arab region. Maybe we could outsource the torture of Iranians to Iran, Yemenians to Yemen, etc. and possibly also too avoid some legal issues.

        Wha? Wha?! We dint do no torture…. they did it!

  • GunToting[Redacted]

    Are the quiet rooms still quiet if the prisoner won't stop screaming?

    • chicken_thief

      The screams….. the screams…… they're just the right volume.

      ~ M. Romney

  • MosesInvests

    "…but you have elected-THE WAY OF PAIN!"
    Sheesh, how do you snark on this sh*t?

  • LibrarianX

    People who talk in breathless soundbites and slogans? Should not be POTUS.

    • eggsacklywright

      Like looking forward, not back. I guess that means we can do pretty much anything we want without fear of reprisal, since it happened in the past.

  • BaldarTFlagass

    "We’ll use enhanced interrogation techniques which go beyond those that are in the military handbook right now,”
    They'll probably sit and talk to the prisoners about Mormonism all day long.

    • PugglesRule

      Next Mormon mission destination: Guantanamo!

      • BaldarTFlagass

        Well, it's not France, but the weather is pretty warm anyway.

    • Boojum

      Nooooooooo!!!!!

  • Mittens Howell, III

    We have to watch the Mittbot debate tonight, isn't that torture enough?

  • DustBowlBlues

    Wow. I finally got into wonkette and now have nothing left to say except I hope it works tonight. Does anyone use Safari to download? Is that my problem–a secret war from Apple on "my" the wonket?

    • SorosBot

      First, they decide to fuck over everyone who's not driving with their maps; now they attack our Wonkette. Apple is looking mighty shady these days.

      • Boojum

        Gitmo.

    • Stevola

      I'm using safari and so far kgof'wodjmbv'sdogjhm'oj

    • http://simplyleftbehind.blogspot.com/ actor212

      I've never had a problem logging in Sarafina mu nu lores ipsum

  • OzoneTom

    Okay, that looks like an SEM photograph of something, but I'm unsure what.

    edit: Oh I get it. Someone needs to start using an astringent.

  • Mittaplasia

    Jebus Christ on a bike; hasn't his campaign been enough torture? Iron Maiden is now his favorite band just because he likes the name.

  • Native_of_SL_UT

    Torture?
    Is this the first debate live-blog already?

  • http://wonkette.com/ weejee

    And Mittenz has a sad Vietnam's MSS still isn't around. But if he's elected they may rise like the proverbial phoenix.

  • http://wonkette.com/ weejee

    And Mittenz has a sad Vietnam's MSS isn't around. But if he's elected they may rise like the proverbial phoenix.

  • memzilla

    Shorter version: No one expects the Mittish Inquisition!

  • memzilla

    Shorter version: No one expects the Mittish Inquisition!

  • DustBowlBlues

    Okay–I need a call on this one. The NYT says memorandums. I always thought that, since the word is from the latin, that it was memoranda. Wake up, all you loafing 47% living in your parents' basement, where you framed and hung your BA in English. (History will do).

    • eggsacklywright

      I believe you is correct.

    • SmutBoffin

      Yeah, the latin-y plurals are agenda, memoranda, fora, data etc.

      No one really does this in English though. 'Fora' sounds strange, no? And if you refer to 'these agenda' people will look at you funny.

      • Boojum

        Penii?

      • sullivanst

        Agenda has become fully Anglicized as a singular, referring to the sum of all agenda; I never heard anyone ever talk about an agendum, and sure enough, my browser's spellchecker just highlighted that as an error.

        But it would be a travesty to the English language to forget that it has many different etymological influences, and to attempt to regularize English grammar. What's next: deers, salmons, potatos, photoes, childs, mans, mouses, axises?

        BTW, for people who know what a corrigendum is, it's invariably corrigenda. Also too, media.

    • tejanojim

      "Memoranda" is definitely correct, but I think "memorandums" is also considered correct. *Merriam Webster online agrees. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/memoran

    • anniegetyerfun

      Agreed with SmutBoffin. For a long time, English speakers used Latin grammar to accommodate the plural of Latin words, but it gets old. When most languages adopt a foreign word, they don't adopt the grammar surrounding that word as well. They just take the word and make it their own.

      That's what's finally happening with Latin-root words in English.

      (also, some of the most retarded rules in "English", like not ending a sentence with a preposition, or not splitting an infinitive, are based on Latin rules and totally irrelevant to English and should never have been taught)

      • Boojum

        But "to boldly also" sounds funny.

        • anniegetyerfun

          That's only because you don't speak Palinese fluently as well too.

      • sullivanst

        (also, some of the most [unrepeatable] rules in "English", like not ending a sentence with a preposition, or not splitting an infinitive, are based on Latin rules and totally irrelevant to English and should never have been taught)

        I strongly disagree with both claims. A Latin infinitive is a single word, there's no need for a rule in Latin about splitting infinitives as it is simply impossible. As to prepositions, declension rules in Latin make it possible to move prepositions around a sentence in ways that are simply impossible in English, a fact of which Latin poets took full advantage. The need to place the complement adjacent to the preposition arises from the grammar of the Germanic family of languages, and Wikipedia claims the proscription against preposition stranding originated with John Dryden in 1672.

        • anniegetyerfun

          That's exactly the problem – since it can't occur in Latin, there were English prescriptivists who believed that it SHOULDN'T happen in English, either.http://www.let.leidenuniv.nl/hsl_shl/preposition%20stranding.htm“John Dryden appears to have been the first writer to attack the use of end‑placed prepositions, probably as a result of applying the rules of Latin syntax to English and of applying the above-mentioned logic of the etymology of the word.”

          • sullivanst

            probably as a result of applying the rules of Latin syntax to English

            CITATION NEEDED!!!

            (actually, citation impossible, because Dryden never explained his complaint. Your author makes this assertion based on writings from the 18th and 19th century, in other words, long after the 1611 objection)

          • anniegetyerfun

            There is some citation on the website; but I think the footnote just links to another study that I can't get my hands on? But I recall this discussion from my comparative linguistics courses in college, and believe that the vast majority of stupid English grammar rules were attributed to Latin fetishists. Anyway, dangling prepositions are allowed in many Germanic languages (as well as some Latin languages, making it even dumber to try to ban it).

        • Biff

          I am more pleased than ever with my choice of a gunsmithing major.

      • bobbert

        Next you'll try to tell me Pluto isn't a planet anymore.

      • DustBowlBlues

        Now I'm doing from email. Is anyone logged into to ID but shut out by wonkette? Crap. Have I been banhammered, when I haven't even been in the neighborhood for a few days. :-(

    • hagajim

      I thought it was memorandumb.

    • http://simplyleftbehind.blogspot.com/ actor212

      Technically, it's memoranda, but memorandums has been used so often that it's becoming acceptable.

      Much like "problematic" used to just an academic exercise, but now means a problem

      • Boojum

        Like "normalcy". Fucking normality, sheeples!

        • http://simplyleftbehind.blogspot.com/ actor212

          Well, now, in fairness, "normalcy" was never a word until Harding made it up, and most think he meant "normality" but just goofed

          • BaldarTFlagass

            So, he was kinda like the GW Bush of the 1920s, huh?

        • sullivanst

          At least normalcy is shorter than normality, reversing the usual trend which occurs when the ill-educated attempt accurateness.

        • Biff

          I prefer Nermalcy, myself.

  • PsycWench

    No snark: I believe John McCain knows a little more about torture than Mitt does.

    • Mittaplasia

      He knew torture, yet he unleashed that she-beast on us? That makes his deed all the more egregious.

    • chicken_thief

      Mitt might know how to fly a plane better though. Even if he never took lessons.

    • Boojum

      Torture was a friend of his; Mitt Romney, you're no torture!

  • Mittaplasia

    If someone is tortured in a forest causing them to fall down, if no one heard it, did it really happen?

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      See "quiet rooms", supra.

  • BaldarTFlagass

    "scoop up strangers in other countries and torture them because they look kinda shady"

    "that guy looks like he has a bad attitude. Better black-bag him and bring him on down to the basement."

    • eggsacklywright

      In the words of Big Youth, "How you like someone do dat to yo mudda?"

    • http://simplyleftbehind.blogspot.com/ actor212

      Should I air out the gimp suit, too, Maynard?

  • SmutBoffin

    Mitt Romney will apply the electrodes himself, with much enthusiasm. Why else do you think he got into politics?

    • eggsacklywright

      "I like to set people on fire.'

      • SmutBoffin

        "Build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day; set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life."

    • Boojum

      I think you have something. He is a sadistic narcissist.

  • Schmannnity

    Instead of 12 hours of Let The Bodies Hit The Floor, it will be 10 minutes of Mitt's America, The Beautiful.

  • Abernathy

    "The campaign policy paper does not specify which techniques Mr. Romney should approve…"

    But I'm betting it involves a cage, the top of a car, and a hose. Why mess with a classic?

    • Boojum

      Haircuts.

  • BornInATrailer

    Mitt's new handbook will be 50 Shades of Abu Ghraib.

  • sharethegrief

    My personal view of what torture would be is a constant stream of Romney's canned laughter.

    • eggsacklywright

      Indeed, that bizarre barking noise he makes is worse than a migraine.

    • chicken_thief

      If only he had more time, Gilligan, the numbers man, would esplain why Mitt is programmed that way.

  • PsycWench

    wrote Jack Goldsmith, on Wednesday. “… such techniques are now indisputably illegal.”
    First Brian, now Bush's legal advisor…won't anyone stand up for propaganda freedom anymore?

    • sullivanst

      Wasn't Goldsmith the one who prompted the infamous hospital visit to Ashcroft by refusing to sign off on warrantless wiretapping? Anyway, he's also the one who effectively ended waterboarding by rescinding the Bybee memos.

  • Mittens Howell, III

    Detainees will be trapped between floors in a car elevator and caviar-boareded while Kenny G music is fed into their brain until they reveal secret tax loopholes Mitt can exploit.

    • eggsacklywright

      Please, Kenny G is going a little too far. For shame.

      • Mittens Howell, III

        That was Dick Cheney's suggestion.

    • prommie

      Osmond music.

    • sharethegrief

      Mitt is a Michael Bolton fan. I like the other Michael Bolton myself.

  • YouBetcha

    "The campaign policy paper does not specify which techniques Mr. Romney should approve…" Good thing, too, because the Romney campaign doesn't have time to give anyone the details anyway.

    • Abernathy

      He's told you people all you need to know.

  • ThankYouJeebus

    The Mittbot doesn't require oxygen, food or rest and is impervious to pain.

  • DustBowlBlues

    In an earlier debate, when they Republics were asked about closing gitmo he answered, in a weirdly gleeful voice, that he thought they should "double" the size of it.

    Sweet mother of god, save the world from this idiot being elected.

    • TootsStansbury

      He'd make the W gang look reasonable. Yikes!

  • MissTaken

    Ah yeah, it's time to party like it's 2003 again!

    • http://wonkette.com/ weejee

      Not 1003?

      • Monsieur_Grumpe

        Not those dark ages…. the more recent one.

    • SorosBot

      But that was bad enough the first time; who would want to go through that again?

    • http://simplyleftbehind.blogspot.com/ actor212

      But I threw out all my trucker hats!

  • http://wonkette.com/ no_gravity

    I guess Mittish will just have to stick to baptizing dead peoples for his torture fix.

  • Ruhe

    Gun porn. Abortion porn. Now interrogation porn. Porn, Porn, Porn! Conservatives love Porn!

  • Monsieur_Grumpe

    The Mormon idea of torture is to wait until your dinner is hot on the table and ring your doorbell to ask personal questions and hand out literature written for the typical 3rd grade reading level.

  • randcoolcatdaddy

    Mitt Romney, and the Republican Party in general, seem to confuse masochism and torture.

  • prommie

    Crucifixion is just a stress position. Thats all it is. The nails are just lagniappe, the same thing would happen if you tie someone's hands and feet to a cross. Stress position, thats all it was. Jesus was stress-positioned for our sins.

    These motherfucking conservative shitbags fucking all of them are "christians" and they fucking advocate this fucking shit the fucking goddamn evil ratbastard hypocrites. I am sure Jesus is spinning in his grave over how these people who pretend to follow him act. Motherfuckers.

    • BornInATrailer

      "Jesus was stress-positioned for our sins."

      That's a keeper.

      • prommie

        Fucking Amurrican christians think the golden rule is "be nice to the people you like, unless there's some money in it for ya to be mean."

    • GunToting[Redacted]

      This. I got into a very emotional discussion about this with a friend where I told him that I could not EVER be a member of a party who authorized our military to use torture. Until these bloodthirsty sadists completely throw themselves to the ground and tearfully apologize for destroying our reputation in the world's eyes, they can all fucking DIAF, and not with votes.

      • sullivanst

        they can all fucking DIAF, and not just with votes.

        FIFY.

    • Esteev

      Jesus allegedly resurrected from the grave so he'd be on his feet while spinning. Or twirling, if you will.

    • Mittaplasia

      Jebus stress-positioned for somebody's sins but not mine.

    • Biff

      Talk about stress! I dislocated my shoulder dropping into an Iron Cross on the rings back in high school! Shit'll fuck you up!

    • schvitzatura

      Paul Ryan falling out of a tree stand, while deer hunting in the wilds of Wisconsin with a harness and unable to release properly…suspension trauma, without involvement of a 1st Century C.E. Roman procurator/prefect…beatified as St. Paul, Patron Saint of Teatards.

      Crucify him (with votes)!

    • Negropolis

      Jesus was stress-positioned for our sins.

      Sweet Jebus, you could make a whole book of satire with this title.

  • SorosBot

    Mitt Romney, why do you hate the Constitution?

  • http://www.wonkette.com ChillBill

    Is that a pic of Phyllis schlafly's lady parts?

    • widestanceromance

      That is the last thing her gyno saw before his suicide.

      • http://www.wonkette.com ChillBill

        Apparently, a severe case of Vagina Dentata.

  • widestanceromance

    But, ass rape with a frozen poopsicle* to get the answers we want from a hapless Afghan teen is what makes us exceptional, damn it!

    *used without permission from the archives of Waggaman (mentally saved for just such a special purpose as this)

  • sbj1964

    The real torture will be tonight watching Mitt trying to be funny with Zingers.

    • Gleem McShineys

      Confectionary mastication sequence begins.
      Pause.
      Synchronize facial grimace, Issue short audible diaphragm spasms.
      FUNNY_WITH_ZINGERS routine completed.

  • Callyson

    only in favor of secret kinds of torture.

    Why should Mittens' torture policy be any different from his tax policy?

  • Radiotherapy

    Ask Seamus about his enhanced roof surfing.

    • chicken_thief

      Oh, shit…….

  • mull_man

    Bring back the Iron Maiden, or this, in an loop Cause Frank rulz.

  • Mittens Howell, III

    No.

    O beautiful for spacious skies,

    No Mitt!

    For amber waves of grain,

    PLEASE DON'T SING!! … pretty sure this violates the Geneva convention!

    For purple mountain majesties

    I'll tell you whatever you want to hear:

    I will accept responsibility for my Liife!

    I give all my possessions to the job creators!

    Above the fruited plain!

    You have my permission to baptize me after I die!! Oh. Lord. Stop. Pleeeze.

    America! America!

    • Esteev

      Hmm… I always thought it was "specious" skies. Interesting.

      • sullivanst

        In Mitt's singing, it's specious lies.

  • Radiotherapy

    I can't believe that Obama "permanently damaged" the value of our torture program. How un-American.

    • anniegetyerfun

      It's just like a secret Muslim atheist Black Panther to do something like that. INPEACH!

      • Mittaplasia

        What did you expect from the Kenyan usurper? MORE usurping?

  • anniegetyerfun

    Why does my Wonket session expire every 2.5 seconds? This is fucking frustrating.

    • http://wonkette.com/ weejee

      The staff started the debate drinking game early? And hey it's past noon in half of America, when do we get the rulez for today's debate?

      • anniegetyerfun

        They might have, but I've been getting “Your session has expired” messages for months now.

        • SorosBot

          Which browser? Lately Wonkette doesn't seem to work well with IE, at least when I've had to use my parents' computer with just it.

          • anniegetyerfun

            Firefox. And I use an ad-blocker because the pop-up ads were getting insane. I don't know if that's it or not.

          • SorosBot

            Hm, it's fine for me with Firefox; but I have no ad-blocking

          • Biel_ze_Bubba

            Firefox, on a Mac, with AdBlock plus active, and no such problems here. Try it with all add-ons disabled (look under the Help menu.)

    • MacRaith

      Check to make sure your computer's clock is set to the correct date and time. And time zone, just to be sure. If that's not the problem, you can use enhanced interrogation techniques on it. That'll fix it for sure.

      • http://wonkette.com/ weejee

        But S&M motherboards love the waterboarding.

    • eggsacklywright

      That is a Very Bad Thing.

  • sullivanst

    Nobody expects the Romney campaign! Our chief weapon is surprise [and you will be surprised whenever it is you find out what the candidates actual policies are, if ever]. Surprise and fear [of the other]. Fear and surprise. Our two weapons are fear and surprise…and ruthless efficiency [that's what we call it when we shut down your factory and outsource production to China]… Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency…and an almost fanatical devotion to the Prophet [and also personal profit]…. Our four…no… Amongst our weapons…. Amongst our weaponry…are such elements as fear, surprise…. I'll come in again.

  • Douché

    Now Obama is going to have to raise taxes on the tortured to help cover the expenses of torturing. Fucking socialist.

  • http://www.wonkette.com/ FlownOver

    We must return to the unfettered use of the Comfy Chair.

  • chicken_thief

    Mittens jes cold gives up on 47% of Americans that are glued to the government tit and won't vote for him, but he'll torture the fuck out of 100% of the Moozlins. Because Jesus. And the Constitution.

  • Abernathy

    “There are many reasons for this … but the main one is that such techniques are now indisputably illegal.”

    You had me at "horrifying example of inhumanity of humans." Oh wait, you never said that. Good to see the neocons still haven't developed a conscience or ethics or anything like that, despite their newfound respect for the law.

  • ElPinche

    OT..sorry, but this is so adorably bitter sweet:
    http://www.barackobama.com/news/entry/keep-the-fa

    Handsome Joe, I love you man.

  • HelmutNewton

    Mittens is just a half-assed retread of Dubya, so of course he would try to bring back torture.

  • docterry6973

    Actually, it was indisputably illegal when President Cheney ordered it the first time. Crossing your fingers behind your back doesn't make it legal. So, really, would President MIttens even care if it is legal?

  • chicken_thief

    ya wat he sed!!!!

  • GeorgiaBurning

    So this is what he means by "Restore America"?

    • Gleem McShineys

      We's-tor(ture) Amercia

  • Aridzona

    Waterboarding doesn't work. The lamestream media has been doing it to Romney for months, and still hasn't got the truth out of him.

  • Woodshedding

    This guy makes Theater of the Absurd look like elementary-school arithmetic.

  • KeepFnThatChicken

    Mitt's an expert on torture. He's been married to Ann for years.

  • Boojum

    I am interested in your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

  • rickmaci

    Another example of Romoney as Bush redux. The neoKKKon hacks and criminals from the Bush era want another chance to try their old tricks in the moronic hope they can get a different result. Romoney is only too willing to give it to them just for the sake of their support, nothing more. Romoney is just as morally bankrupt as he seems.

  • proudgrampa

    Mitt is a dick.

  • chicken_thief

    Whatever form of not torture torture Mittens settles on you can bet that it will come with an authorization for the expenses to be tax deductible for the POTUS.

  • OneYieldRegular

    Why should anyone expect a guy who tied a dog to the top of his car and terrorized a classmate by holding him down and cutting off his hair to have the least bit of understanding of why torture is morally repugnant?

  • Nostrildamus

    “There are many reasons for [not using torture,] but the main one is that such techniques are now indisputably illegal.”

    Someone clearly has no memory whatever of 2001-2008.

  • fawkedifiknow

    Here's a torture method that will strike great fear in anybody: An hour or two locked in the same room with Ann Romney, who will rattle on and on about what a wonderful man her Mittness is.

  • SaintRond

    Occasionally, the tree of Liberty must be watered from time to time with the shit and tears of strangers.

  • schvitzatura

    Viscount Hairgel is already planning not to go overseas (once out of office), if elected; ICC thingee.

    Cross a whole bunch of countries off the lists of safe place for LDS missions, for the next millenia or two, fo shizzle.

  • http://inappropriatejobpostings.blogspot.com/ fuflans

    fucking draft dodging chicken hawks. always first with the most aggressive postures.

    for someone else.

    oh and btw mitt: this sort of thing does not sit comfortably with your sophisticated businessman image. though to be fair, there is very little that is comfortable about you.

  • decentcitizen

    I for one am tired of all these gutless wimps advocating "tough guy" torture techniques. If you're such a bad-ass, meet me in the parking lot.

  • ttommyunger

    I have written about this extensively (available at OPEDNews, and elsewhere) so I'll just keep it short and simple: torture will produce compliance only, not accurate intelligence. These fuckwads (I'm talking to you Dubya, Cheney and Rummy) just like torture.