You guys there is yet another debate tonight in Massachusetts and we are beside ourselves with excitement waiting for the answer to the eternal question, JUST HOW RACIST WILL SCOTT BROWN BE? We bet he goes full Andrew Jackson. Because for the last hour, his supporters have been doing war whoops and tomahawk chops outside the debate hall, the same kind that Scott Brown sternly reminded Elizabeth Warren to please stop doing, and to show a little class and respect! Anyhoo, turn on your “SPAN” or your this, fetch you some firewater, and let’s start this bitch!
6:53 PM — We are drinking pink Champagne, because it was literally the only booze in the house. Quick everybody, make up a drinking game!
7:01 PM — The rules are there are no rules. Scott Brown is gonna get naked yall.
7:02 PM — David Gregory: Elizabeth Warren, why do you insist on being a damn dirty redskin?
7:04 PM — Scott Brown is backing off, way off. “Nobody’s questioning what her parents told her,” Scott Brown? Guess bald racism wasn’t playing well even in Boston.
7:07 PM — Scott Brown is trying to get back his “likable” cred but after the last debate, that is a horse that is out of the barn door (his unzipped pants). Meanwhile, Warren has just the right amount of “THIS IS TARDED” without actually saying it in all caps.
7:10 PM — Your Editrix may be the only person on the whole of the Internet who doesn’t hear Scott Brown saying “professor” as a slur.
7:16 PM — Scott Brown calls Elizabeth Warren’s contention “laughable” (that she worked on behalf of victims while being paid by an insurance company). She interrupts; he comes back with “let’s assume she’s correct and move on to this steel company.”
7:18 PM — Elizabeth Warren is absolutely on defense right now, and David Gregory breaks in to her defense of her law work with a “bipartisanship” question. Scott Brown, do you love Mitt Romney?
7:20 PM — Scott Brown: No, David Gregory, I am awesomely bipartisan, thank you for asking!
7:24 PM — Elizabeth Warren: I have occasionally also met a Republican I did not want to murder!
7:25 PM — This debate is a mess. Scott Brown is walking all over David Gregory. He’s all like “Listen pansy, I will talk about what I want to talk about because I am full of sperm.” The crowd hoots. And now the crowd is hooting for Warren pointing out that he doesn’t campaign around the country as someone who loves B. Barry Bamz. We read that people were not to be allowed to applaud. The crowd is now stomping on that rule about as much as Scott Brown is stomping on David Gregory. OH, and Scott Brown wants to interrupt Elizabeth Warren once again, surprise.
7:29 PM — And he gets an assist from David Gregory, who cuts Warren off because she (SHOCK) spoke for OVER A MINUTE, IN PARAGRAPH FORM. Did we say Thrilla in Vanilla? This is a fucking free for all.
7:30 PM — OK, remember like 10 minutes ago when we said we didn’t believe Brown was necessarily using “professor” as a pejorative? Well fuck that shit. “Excuse me, I’m not a student in your classroom.”
7:36 PM — What is David Gregory’s boner for Simpson-Bowles? Who the fuck cares? (VILLAGERS.) David Gregory will not actually let her answer his question. Awesome format! Great moderator!
7:37 PM — Weird, Scott Brown is now talking in paragraph form, and David Gregory is NOT INTERRUPTING HIM. Guess David Gregory knows a MAN FULL OF SPERM when he sees one!
7:43 PM — HEY NOW, Elizabeth Warren has been speaking for at least three sentences now. Shouldn’t David Gregory have cut her off?
7:47 PM — David Gregory: Ms. Warren, you’ve had a chance to respond SHUT YOUR MOUTH, “LADY.” (But in many more words.) This is sick. Your Wonkette has no words for how awful that just was.
7:51 PM — Your Editrix can not actually stand much more of this. We imagine David Gregory is not intentionally being a fuckwad sexist asshole to the woman in the debate, and probably does not realize he is doing it. He probably has no idea he has spent the past hour bowing before the alpha male and ganging up with him on the soft-spoken woman sharing their stage. But he has, Blanche. He has. And it is not funny, nor adorable. Warren has held her own without losing her shit, but she has been absolutely on defense thanks to the two of them.
We are now on the Supreme Court and Scotty names every justice as his model justice, because he isn’t just pretty, he is awesome at pandering.
7:55 PM — And David Gregory is like WHY DOESN’T MASS ELECT WOMEN? Is it because they are so stupid and on the rag? Fuck you David Gregory. We can’t say Elizabeth Warren won this fucker (by a longshot), but you lost it.
7:56 PM — HAH HAH I AM DAVID GREGORY AND I AM ASKING THE LADY A SPORTS QUESTION BECAUSE I DIDN’T MAKE IT CLEAR ENOUGH ALREADY THAT WOMEN DON’T BELONG IN OUR CLUB.
Fuckin travesty y’all. Travesty.
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Who will have the worse time tonight? Scott Brown or the Red Sox?
sawx have their b-team on the field; brown is running f-troop. alphabetically, brown comes out worse.
Go Sox! Not their night, though (or year…).
It's a lovely year in the Baltimore-Washington metropolitan area.
If you guys can stick it to the Yanks, I'll be rooting for you as well. I doubt the Yanks will be facing the Nationals.Yeah, when's the last time B-W had teams in the playoffs at the same time? How about never? There was the Phillies-Orioles Series in 1983, but Philly is hardly Washington.Parity is good for baseball. Let the best team win!
Sad, but true.
They both suck, and it really doesn't matter who's worse.
The only way Brown could win that debate would have been to show up in a Speedo.
This is good news for Jay Silverheels.
"What you mean, 'we', kemosabe?"
Needs more "William Tell Overture".
A hero who sneezed abruptly seized
Retreat and reversed it to vic-to-ry!
Motherfucking "F Troop" is one of my favorite crazy racist comedies of my childhood.
Ever see the "Bugs Bunny in the Pacific Theater" cartoons from WWII?
No? Not surprising. They've been out of the rotation since the 50's.
And Popeye shooting down Jap monkeys.
Someone failed to tell a couple of UHF stations in a couple of places I lived in, mostly Texas, to try to cease airing Bugs getting the severely bucked toothed, coke-bottle glasses-wearing, Asian Contagion-tinted version of Elmer Fudd, after not making that left turn at Albuquerque.
Still, I'm waiting for them to show up on Netflix soon, as historical un-PC documentaries…
I have fond memories of TV Amos and Andy, and Beulah. I really don't think they affected my racial world view– I loved the characters.
I can't believe my parents let me watch F Troop myself. That shit is out of rotation now, isn't it? I think the Native Americans must have hired some sort of lobbyist to keep it off the air….
No way. Those residuals could build a whole string of casinos.
Intro bumper inspired Kevin Costner to make Dances With Wolves, with Costner cast in the Ken Berry role, except all serious and shit, right?
I'm guessing this means Haley Barbour will start lobbying to keep Petticoat Junction from being perpetually syndicated, in order to "rehabilitate" the image of his "constituency" (keep fucking that chicken, down by the station, Haley)…
Editrix, is this a practice session for the Mittpocolypse on Wednesday?
Editorix, send an intern to Costco stat! You need to be stocking the bars for all us bitches.
I think I'm going to watch F-Troop reruns instead. I believe it will be a little more cerebral tube watching.
"I want a blanket of my own! All of these blankets say they're for US". (Actual joke quipped by Native American character on F Troop)
Probably the same joke was told at The Sha-wan-ga Lodge, back in 1961, during the annual highlight of the summer camp season, the Sha-wan-ga Tomahawk Follies…recycled Borscht Belt standards for the goyim, bubbe!
Scott is gonna gets scalped (with votes).
Nebraska senate debate? No thanks, C-Span, the Wisconsin one was dull enough…
New game:
1) get a fifth of rye.
2) every time Brown mentions his truck, take a shot. You should be blotto within minutes, and then the evening will be much more enjoyable.
I like to start out with the sound muted.
"Damn, did he say 'truck' AGAIN?"
Ah, where are the Larry Storchs of today?
In congress.
Jesus, there are going to be four of these things?
Aw, how quaint, David Gregory hopes for a serious discussion of the issues. I love optimists…
Hey, first question is about Injuns! How very astonishing!
OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE not this business about the Native American non issue yet a-fucking-gain…
Yes, she has answered the fucking question numerous times. Move the fuck on please.
Fuck, David Gregory's moderating? Fuck.
David Gregory's hair is moderating; the rest of him just carries it from place to place.
Every "professor" or "checked the box," swallow firewater. The buffalo herd will appreciate the field-leveling effect.
She should ask Brown what a "Indian" looks like.
Al Rosen? (Hey, he was in the Tribe.)
Espera Oscar de Corti, most definitely.
Yeah, Scottie, you might have started with jobs and the economy in the first debate, instead of going on and on about the NA flap, if you wanted anyone to think you gave a shit about those issues…
I'll take this time to plug Vine Deloria, Jr.'s great book Custer Died For Your Sins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe0q8Lq3L2Q
I certainly remember when that come out.
NATIONALITY??????????????????????
One sad thing about this whole "Indian controversy" is that Scott Brown is appealing to the racists in Mass.
A little known fact is Mass is just one DNA chain away from Alabama. I can't believe Liz is leading in the poles. Place is a hellhole.
Evidence? I think the real issue is…anything else.
Asshole.
Military records? Fuck that, Scottie, release your client records–you know, the same ones you want from Elizabeth…
So much to talk about and we're stuck on this? Fuck you, Gregory.
Daughter of a janitor
GO ELIZABETH!
"I believe my mother"
Slam dunk!
He should give her a smallpox blanket.
Oh yeah, kings and queens! Maybe Gregory will turn out to be OK as a moderator after all…
Even a blind pig…
Scott Brown likes stepping on his balls.
So does Elizabeth Warren.
Tonight, we are all Elizabeth Warren.
Elizabeth Warren is a Red Indian.
Has he asked her about trading wampum for dirty out of state lawyering work yet?
I love how Scottie keeps mentioning "jobs and the economy" and then moves on to discuss anything else…
Did you know my daughters are women???!?!?
And for two dollars they will take you around the world.
$2.00 right here, in crisp, new Ameros.
Gregory is fucking awful.
I'm logged into the Interwebtubes and watching the debate, BUT there is no alcohol in my house. What do I do?
Send some neighborhood kid to the liquor store.
Call a cab?
Spin around in circles.
Huff paint thinner?
Do you have a hammer?
Professor Warren: I worked hard for this
Yeah, so fuck you, Scottie!
She's got to start calling Brown a Republican. Over and over and over again.
Client list question!
At least Gregory is a better moderator than the first one was…
As an attorney, my clients trust my discretion. As a pink hot pants wearing asshole, Brown clearly has none.
Again with the laughter. Scottie, go back to the centerfold photo shots, asshole…
She needs to come in full warpaint the next debate.
Oh fuck you, Scottie, *any* attorney who is not a total slob would have a list of clients…
This is way more fun than the Wisc debate. Elizabeth Warren is feisty.
All I know about Lowell is this Death Cab for Cutie song. It's a damned good song.
oh he's a jag all right.
He's a jag alright.
Lights? Meters? How sexist can this truck redneck be?
Oh I am sure he could give Todd Aikin a run for his money.
What a C R E E P!
Hey, stop scaring women!
(Seriously, the guy is a pig…)
And you have a choice about taking contributions from Wall Street, asshole…
and the Kochs.
Cavalry charges?
If you ain't CAV, you ain't shit!
Oh yeah! He doesn't want to talk about his votes, so he keeps making charges!
Fight on, Elizabeth!
Those Indians are warriors.
Did Liz say that she'd been working in a field? Is she claiming to be black now?
Normally, i would live blog to Wild Turkey 101 and Beef Stix, but I am obliged to switch to bologna and mayo on white with Yoohoo.
This is a disaster. She's going on the defensive! STOP, Elizabeth! Turn the topic to Brown and his party.
Aha– so the asbestos victims are calling Brown the liar. Nicely played, Liz.
Sen. Brown's staffers just stopped the war whoops and have taken up mock asbestos coughing.
What's wrong with asbestos? Ivory Tower Liberals…
Asbestos gets in someone's body without them knowing, just like FLUKE MAN!
STEVE MCQUEEN LIBEL!
With a bullet.
We've spent twenty minutes dealing with his attacks on her. She's losing.
I was protecting the asbestos victims…the asbestos victims know that.
Good comeback, Elizabeth!
And no, Scottie will not be responding to Elizabeth's point that the workers came out and said he is a liar…
Asshole.
David Fucking Gregory? Really?
As Charlie Pierce calls him, the Dancin Master, and he is doing a right wing waltz tonight.
He's an obsequious authoritarian pole-smoker. Alsotoo.
With all due respect, you Wonketeers are LAUGHABLE.
When did this happen!?
Bath salts?
Respect? pffft.
Really. There's no call for that kind of language.
Why, thank you.
Who came in?
Quick, put your pants back on!
with all due respect: insults:: i'm not racist but: racism
Why, thank you! Er – that was a compliment, right?
Yes, indeed.
No, "professor" is definitely a pejorative when he says it.
Unman him girl!
And the coal workers said she is on her side also–STFU, Brown!
Whoa, the Boston channel's website just gave me an ad for classmates.com. That still exists? Has no one told them about Facebook yet?
Oh, thank GOD. We're not talking about stupid asbestos-y things anymore.
He's a man of the people. He drives a truck. How many times does he have to tell that to THE PROFESSOR?
Well I am pretty sure he has the right wing buffoon vote locked up. Who else is that truck driving shit going to work on.
And notice how the pushy asshole cut in when Gregory said Warren would have the last word. Wish to fuck the moderator hadn't let him get away with it…
My imaginary boyfriend, the gravel-voiced Sherrod Brown is on with Tweety, so I must listen/fap to him, but you all go ahead with this live-blogging. Is David Gregory as vile as he is on MTP?
I so LOVE Sherrod! I hope he runs in 2016? Ya think?
No, I don't think that's in the cards, he seems very happy where he is. I do adore him though and his wife is awesome as well.
I met him at a stem-cell thing here a few years ago. What a genuine, unpretentious, guy.
Truly worthy of being your pretend boyfriend.
I have a horrible feeling he might be short….yes?
Hey! Whatchu got against short?
I'm short myself, but I like a tall man in my pretend boyfriends.
I don't remember thinking he was particularly short. (my Dad was 6'9", so I'm not good at this), but he did play basketball in high school, so…
My husband is 6″4″ and I am just a smidge under 5″4″ but I do love a tall man.
"Mr. Outsider" bullshit. Lay it on Brown.
Scott Brown: Wishy Washy. Check.
He's sniffing. I thought that was Paul Ryan's thing.
OH NO HE DIDN'T say he votes with the Dems 50% of the time! I don't have the link handy but I've seen very different figures, especially before Warren got into the race…
He went from 7% to 28% when Warren got in the race. That's Ryan math!
I think Scott Brown is 1/16 Fukawi Indian.
Okay, I'll give Gregory this bit, pressing whether he supports Romney.
Liz? LIZ!??!?!
Go on Scott, give Obama a hug, a Charlie Crist hug.
We couldn't find any ads with you and Mitt Romney
OK, the moderator is bouncing back…
Scott Brown's future as a national Republican figure is getting flushed at this very moment
I do hope you are correct, I wonder how the slimy EricCantor' s debate is going that's tonight as well isn't it.?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/01/eric-can…
Really? Scottie wants to push how he worked for the congressional insider trading bill? Didn't that pass the Senate 98-1 or something?
Yeah, way to stick your neck out for gutsy bipartisanship, jerk…
Liz, tell him YOU were a Republican until 1995.
Which, coincidentally, is the date that being a Republican became a diagnosable mental disorder.
That must coincide with the asbestos years. She should totally use that. "See, I was a Republican then, so of course I was working for dicks, but even then I was trying to do the right thing. That's why the Republican kicked me out and I found my true home, away from the party of creeps like you."
Of course Elizabeth can't name any Reeps she could work with–who the fuck *can* work with the Party of No?
Naysayers?
(Oh, was that a rhetorical?)
Can you name any opium smoking hobos you'd co-anchor with, David Gregory?
Oh, we can do better than that… A handsome, well dressed and photogenic sociopathic compulsive liar and thief. #sweetenthedeal
The real question: "Can you name any real journalists you would co-anchor with"
No.
Why didn't she get to rebut his ridiculous statements about being bi-partisan? First he says he's the most bi-partisan then in the next sentence he says he's the second most bi-partisan. You can't be both.
I won't work with a vegetarian. Those fuckers.
heh…libertarian, vegetarian. Haw!
CARNIVORE LIBEL!
Vegantarian! Whoop! Whoop!
Is David Gregory seriously going to hew to this "Both Sides Do It", Everyone Must Compromise" Villager Bullshit after the last three years of Republican Senate Filibuster abuse?
To mention JUST ONE THING?
Yes. Because he is David Gregory.
Would you vote for Mitch McConnell?
ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION Scottie!
So I made a joke about Portlandia on Twitter and Wonkette is giving me Powell's Books ads?? Creepy(not Powell's- the power of Rebecca's secret cameras)
I got the Powell's ad, too, and I'm not even on Twitter.
Me too, & me neither…
The Powell's link is now a semi-permanent part of the sidebar–actually a better percentage to Your Wonkette on book purchases than Amazon.
Plus, for godssakes, it's freakin' POWELLS, which is all kinds of nice.
(Your Doktor Zoom lobbied the Editrix for that)
I just committed a bit of free shipping with them last night…
Glad to hear it – I was getting paranoid since I live in Portlandia and have an order pending at Powell (put in just before the ads started popping).
BTW, said order is held up because books listed as "in stock" online are actually coming in from Tennessee, raising some interesting questions for me about what their logistics chart looks like. I actually bought the idea they were a local only institution, even though the sheer size and numerous branches suggested that was at least partially questionable.
I believe Powell's started out in life as a Portland store and has expanded in the last ten years or so to more far-flung places, Chicago for instance.
Powell's Bookstores in Chicago have been around for 40 years. Chicago was first, Portland was second. But they are independent businesses:
http://www.powells.com/info/briefhistory.html
http://www.powellschicago.com/index.html
Is it local?
Powell's is a Mecca of sorts. It should appear on every thinking person's sidebar.
And actually more welcome than the PETA not-actually-naked or-even-a-little-bit-shocking softcore porn teasers. I mean, a bleach blonde in a bathing suit fellating a cucumber? This is supposed to make me want to click?
For the record, I always click the conservative ads when they show up; just can't resist the idea of Ann Coulter's publishers funding my Wonkette.
How much testosterone did Scotty shoot up before these debates? He's the one scaring women, not Liz.
I do not like your question. I will make the point I really want to make. Fuck you, Mr. Question-asker.
WOULD YOU VOTE FOR MITCH MCCONNELL GODDAMMIT!?
Did Warren change her name to "she" or "that one" or something?
A complete dick, with or without staples.
Gregory is such a tool. Why is he letting Brown rebut, but she gets an about-face question?
It will be interesting to see how much time each candidate has when this is over. It feels like Brown gets more.
He rolled over her and Gregory let him.
Oh, he's an Independent now? Like Angus King and Bernie Sanders?
He should start the Massachusetts for Brown Party!
He gave Bernie Sanders a blowjob?
OK, finally getting a feed and they're talking about bipartisanship, zzzz. And from that Playgirl spread I think Brown is the most bi.
"I'm completely disgusted by what's going on there"
Scottie, Gregory's question requires a simple yes or no…Will you vote for McConnell or not?
Undecided…after two years? Yeah, that's the decisive leader Mass needs…
Okay, she landed a punch!
Brown does not want to talk about the turtle at all.
There are two Scott Browns. Bazinga!
That's it, Liz!
Elizabeth is doing much better in this debate: she is really standing up for herself. Oh yeah!
Yeah, I just call it "The Commonwealth." Or "Commie." Wait a second…
Excellent battling back to the top of the hill, Liz!
Brown is not an intellectual, Liz is, in the long run, as here, she will beat him with her brains, period.
Fear in Scottie's eyes when Elizabeth hit him on voting to lay off cops and teachers and firefighters…that's it, Elizabeth, go in for the kill!
"I'm not a student in your classroom"?! WHAT THE FUCK?!
You go, Liz! Unemployment insurance! Jesus, is he RUDE.
Well. that wasn't very ladylike.
Throw him out of the auditorium for that one! Hate speech!
I'm not a student in your classsroom? Very cunty, Scottie!
I hate him so much.
I feel like taking a ruler to his knuckles.
The kind of ruler with that little sharp-ass piece of metal in the edge. I believe in prison a piece of wood with embedded metal is called a shiv – do they still allow those in schools?
"I'm not your student" Oh fuck you Brown.
"I'm not a student in your classroom"
Yeah, because she would fail your sorry ass if you were…
(Lots of boos from the audience over that line–good for them!)
Sure, the jobs bill would have created jobs, but TAXES!
You teachers are so uppity.
Brown just scored points with every asshole who wanted to turn in a paper late…twice.
You know who else negotiated out a "final solution"?
Whatever jackass hired David Gregory?
Pierre de Fermat?
mmm … catfood.
I wonder if the Editrix still thinks "Professor" isn't supposed to be a slur, after that "I'm not a student in your classroom" "Zinger!".
David Gregory, you are as poetic as fuck.
Just joining in to give a true fact: According to Robert Mitchum's autobiography, Forrest Tucker (Sgt. O'Rourke of "F-Troop") had the largest penis in Hollywood. He (Tucker) called it "The Chief."
And just how did Robert Mitchum know this?
No. Don't tell me.
Tucker was part of the Mitchum bros. version of the Rat Pack. Mitchum also got contractual permission to smoke weed from studio head Howard Hughes. Can't make this shit up!
I knew I went to the wrong field.
Milton Berle libel!
He was also famous for whipping it out, and apparently seriously pissed off everyone on Saturday Night Live by doing so. At least he apparently kept it in his pants for The Muppet Show.
When I was a kid, we were living in Japan, and my parents were gob-smacked to see a movie starring "Forrest Fucker" advertised on a huge movie marquee.
I can remember laughing as a teen at a marquee that looked like it said "CUNT EASTWOOD." It occurred to me later in life that that's why when a movie house uses FLICK in its name, they'll usually write it "FLiCK."
When I was working at a recreational vehicle dealership back in the mists of time, I was helping a guy change a sign from "Truck Trailers" to "Fifth Wheels". He was being lazy and changing a a couple of letters at a time as I handed them to him. I glanced up at the sign and told him to get the UCK off really fast- before passing motorists started clutching their pearls. This was 1980, when people were a lot more sensitive about that sort of thing.
Excuse me, I'm not a student in your classroom.
Well, first of all, you'd never pass the entrance exams, you anti-intellectual fuckstick.
Nobody gives a shit about the deficit, David Gregory. Oh but Brown suggests slashing government benefits of course. But he's bi-partisan!
What? Brown never said how he would vote on Simpson Bowles?
Christ, he's as bad as Mittens and Lyin' Ryan when it comes to specifics…
The lunatics are taking over the asylum. Gregory is unable to keep things under control.
Gregory doesn't ask him "you're Mr. Bipartisan, why don't you get Reid to bring it to floor?"
Apparently Warren is some kind of "Professor" with "students". Maybe she'll grade Brown.
pigs in a trough?
It's NOT a 3 1/2 year recession you donktwat!
WAAAAAAAITAMINUTE…. Didn't someone become president right around then? You mean…. OBAMA CAUSED THE RECESSION???!
Pigs at a trough? Are you talking about you and your buddy's Mitten's BFF's? The 47%?
National Federation of Independent Businesses? Independent? Yeah, because they only contribute 95% of their political bribes to the Reeps…
Asshole.
Brown will cut deductions, but he won't say which except for ethanol.
Oh yeah, Elizabeth, hit him on the groveling to Grover!
Enough sobriety for me. It's vodka tonic time.
Easy on the tonic, n_i_c, and always use the same ice.
Elizabeth Warren: I have occasionally also met a Republican I did not want to murder!
With votes!
This is the Scott Brown show, and he lets Elizabeth Warren and David Gregory say things occasionally.
Hit 'em with Norquist, yay!
Yes! Extremist right-wing pledge! YES!!!
(We needed to be hearing this two months ago, but…)
No 3-4% marginal tax hike or die!
Why is he talking three times more than she is? Gregory is a bad a moderator as the one they had last time. Why am I surprised?
The lorax was a terrible moderator, but he was cute like a muppet.
Staple Scott Brown to Grover Norquist, Elizabeth!
Buffet rule! Scottie isn't rushing to interrupt this time…still trying to think of how he'll handle that (hint: not by discussing it directly…)
Moderator needs moar spine.
What moderator?
David Gregory. Right.
Taxachussetts held hostage by redneck truck boy! Ha! Ha! Ha!
David Gregory is wondering why the fuck he's even there now.
Good for Gregory for not letting that asshole interrupt Elizabeth!
If you want to respond, Scott Brown, raise your hand.
When she gets like this, she's fun to listen to. The ground is shifting a bit here.
If Warren can convince Massachusetters that Brown is, in fact, a Republican… that should do it.
So ending subsidies to oil companies = a tax increase now? Christ…
Now Scotty's going all-in on why we need to keep shoveling money at oil companies. Oh and ending subsidies is not actually a tax hike.
Rilly. Lets talk about who's on the gvt tit.
Who are those people who are applauding? What do they think this is, an Aerosmith concert in Duxbury?
Aren't they at UMass? That many Republican students there? Or did Scotty bus in trolls from Florida?
Well, now we can't go raising taxes on the most profitable transnational corporations in human history, can we?
They create jobs at the Dawn Dish Liquid factory.
See what I mean? They're Job and Ecological Cataclysm Creators!
With a level playing field, the oil spill doesn't spread as quickly.
In Mitt Romney's America, the oil spills will all be the right size.
Why, yes! Yes, we can!
I don't think he wins attacking her on energy.
The Buffet rule feeds the government for a day
Yeah, so let's not bother getting those billionaires to pay their fair share. That's a winning viewpoint…
Asshole.
Why does Gregory cut off Warren for talking too long but yet Brown ramble on as long as he wants?
Because David Gregory is a piece of shit.
Stated succinctly.
Gregory is a puffed up sexist. I've seen him do this to female candidates before.
He's awful. I hadn't seen him moderate a debate before and so hadn't noted that, but he's really going a lot easier on Brown here.
Because he's a republican and dances with Karl Rove?
Sort a Dances with Wolves, if you will. Careful Dave they will devour you at first chance.
Because Brown was rambling without a scheduled commercial break. The fucker
Dicks before chicks.
Because he is itching to get Brown's dick in his mouth after the debate.
Because Warren wasn't being "ladylike"?
How about regulating Wall Street, the way Liz has?????
Brown says raising taxes causes higher prices, but cutting taxes creates jobs. If taxes affect something, it should affect it the same way in each direction. I give him an "F" in Economics 101.
He's not a student in your classroom, professor!
Dear fucking god, I feel like I'm watching the debate episode of Parks and Recreation here.
Break, thank God. Need to give my rage a rest…
Ross Perot?!? Who the fuck is still listening to him?
CSPAN has a promo for a rebroadcast of Ross "senile" Perot. Jesus fuck.
What? There's no more imaginary POW's to "rescue"?
C-SPAN is now showing a promo for something with Ross Perot. Remember him? Still brain-dead as ever.
The only thing that would make this debate worse is if David Gregory had his coffee Dosed 45 minutes prior.
On the other hand…
This debate needs a Mitt Romney zinger.
Mormon stand up all the rage out in the Salt.
Howz 'bout a $10,000 bet?
That girl asking the question looks like Karen from Will and Grace. That's all I got.
That girl should ask her parents for a loan and start a business.
Aw, that kid is asking for specifics. I see she was smart enough to direct her question to Elizabeth, since she'll have no luck with Scottie…
Liz needs to paddle the shit out of 'Lil Scotty
Yes, let's please make those investments in roads. So sick of potholes…
Good answer on jobs for grads. She's prepared for that one.
I live in Connecticut, and I'll tell you that, compared to us, Massachusetts is a big bag of dicks.
Um…Joe Lieberman???
East Hartford?
You guys are totally about to elect that crazy-ass wrestling exec. Linda McMahon, so I wouldn't be talking. lol
We had to pass that stupid WWF flag all the time when I lived in NY.
Almost as bad as the huge NRA flag outside DC, or the big-ass Mormon temple in San Diego, or…(I could go on all day)
The college kids are asking much better questions than that asshole Gregory.
Student asks America for a job in history and political science. Watch out David Gregory! She cute and probably smarter than you.
Brown, man full of sperm? I think you meant full of the Turtle's sperm. How would that sound when Mitch cums?
Hhhhhhhhhhssshhhhhhhaaaaa!
Don't ask how I know. Just. Don't. Ask.
That image now needs brain bleach.
Eewh, is Scott hitting on that student?
"We live in the greatest country in the world"
Um, Scottie, she asked what you were going to do to generate jobs, not where we live…
But he also announced that he supports the troops!
Can I say something to all of you? I fucking HATE in debates when candidates talk about an individual person to try to make their larger points. Correlation does not equal causation, or something. It just annoys me.
Brown griping about uncertainty. I hope Romney is watching so he knows how his secrecy is destroying America.
That's nebulous and hard to prove, as well as vaguely scary.
It must've scored well with focus groups or something. He used the same excuse last debate for why businesses aren't hiring.
RELEASE THE LONGFORM CENTERFOLD!
Ain't nothin' long about Brown but his gaze.
**ethnic hooting and hollering**
Uncertainty about how long they can continue to fuck everybody over is really rough on companies, for Pete's sake!
The answer to regulatory uncertainly is no regulations. Right, Scotty?? That's what your party says.
Sure those pesky air traffic control regulations should be the first to go.
… starting with all the DC area airports.
Oh shit! Brownie trying to play the uncertainty card? Senator Brown I knew Professor Heisenberg, and you are a just a wienie, not a Werner.
ed: Although an olde, not that olde, obvs.
People are scared to hire
No, Scottie, that's not due to taxes–that's because consumer demand is fucking flat and government austerity and cutbacks do not help.
And I'll see your NFIB and raise you one Great Britain, Recesssion part 2, on that point…
"Borrow Money from Strangers over the Internet."
Really, Scott? That's your answer?
Fuck you, David Gregory.
From Twitter: "@SchwarzenbachB: Elizabeth Warren's doing just an OK job of moderating tonight's Brown/Gregory debate #masendebate"
Brown endorsing hiring veterans ahead of (more qualified?) non-vets. It's almost like pitting one group against another.
As long as none of them are a minority what's the problem?
There's no whining in baseball, STFU!
IT'S A GAY ILLEGAL! IT'S A GAY ILLEGAL! DEPORT IT!
The biggest concern you have is the deficit, over unemployment and the economy? Really?
Jesus, who is this dick moderator. Makes me glad I don't get my news from the tv.
Gregory: Shut The Fuck Up Professor!
"You both had a chance to respond to each other"
NO, SHE DIDN'T DUNKASS.
Seriously, fuck David Gregory. Don't trust anyone with two first names.
What about Tony Curtis?
Well Janet Leigh learned not to trust him.
Thank you DG, condescender-in-chief.
Elizabeth Warren does not get to interrupt. Only Scott Brown gets to interrupt.
SHHHHH!
Did Gregory just shut Warren down cold again?
It's time to write some motherfucking letters goddammit.
And now Scottie has to weasel out of his opposition to the DREAM act–
Oh fuck you, it is not amnesty, asshole!
(More boos–good!)
Even when Brown is congratulating someone it sounds perfunctory and insincere.
Calm down Elizabeth Warren, you'll have a chance to respond in the next 'Letters To The Editor'.
"Back-door amnesty" and telling an immigrant to basically go fuck himself. Asshat.
The DREAM Act is being born with a silver spoon up yer Morman butt, & investing all that dough in Bain Crapital, then fucking up running for Prez, in the worst Prez campaign of all time!
Just borrow money from your parents, and you can do it too!
There should be a prize for, "born with a silver spoon up yer Mormon butt."
The Magic Underwear Statuette
Hey DemmeFatale, here's the thing, I am so sick of Brown laying on that fake pahk yer cah accent in these debates, he didn't talk like that on 60 minutes, his accent is so put on and fake. Hence,"born with the silver spoon up yer Mormon butt" award winning comment was born. Thank you!
Driver's licenses for undocumented residents should be a pretty good idea, once you realize that the alternative is A WHOLE MESS OF UNLICENSED DRIVERS.
David Gregory should be Banned from any further debates until he becomes a journalist.
Do they teach How Not to Be an Asshat in Journalism School?
If they do, it's probably an elective – like "Journalistic Ethics" or "Geography".
Yeah, because people who were brought to this nation when they were children shouldn't expect an education. They should incorporate if they want to be treated like human beings!
Oh good, a lightning round!
I'm actually glad *someone* is asking about Afghanistan.
$2B a *week* in Afghanistan…yikes!
Hey, I spend $20 a week on coffee. Oh, that's LESS than $2 billion. Sorry.
David Gregory's last job was a a replacement ref in the NFL.
Hopefully his next job will be shoveling horseshit at a reservation in Oklahoma.
And not even previously from a cool Lingerie League gig.
I imagine he was way better at that than this "Moderator" thing.
Brown wants more H1B visas. That's how employers bring computer programmers, engineers and other professionals to America from India and elsewhere at lower wages. If there are no unemployed programmers, then open enough H1Bs to meet demand. Otherwise, hire from in-house.
Importantly, H1B visas attach immigration status to employment, allowing employers to exploit the hell out of the immigrant employees. So of course Brown loves it.
Elizabeth, after you're elected, you have my permission to tell David Gregory to Go Fuck Himself.
Hopefully she did during the break.
Perhaps a Nut Shot, then?
Well, Warren was pretty specific about what she would do–get the troops out, stat. Let's see how vague Scottie is in response…
You people did this! You made Rebecca live-blog this clusterfuck! I hope you're all proud of yourselves!
Don't look at me.
Well, she won't actually come to Boston personally, so we're flattered that she stoops to watch our debate through her gin-soaked Catalina haze.
Or Bakersfield, or whatever.
Why does she hate the Cradle of American Democracy so?
Huh? She came here to Philly already.
Oh, you mean America's Afterbirth Bucket!
I hear it's delicious. Don't you make a cheesy sandwich out of it, or something quaintly frugal like that?
You think this was bad? You didn't see the snoozefest Wisconsin senate debate, I take it…
WE BUILT IT
Scott Brown is a colonel? Who knew!
Do you think he knows Colonel Angus? My guess is no.
And the chickens are nervous.
There's a mustard joke in here somewhere, just dying to be let out.
You know who else was a Colonel?
No, not him
Klink?
Brown is just awful. Strangely, Gregory manages to be worse.
Say Clarence Thomas! Say Clarence Thomas! Say Clarence Thomas!
It woulda been Harriet Meyers if those horrible senators hadn't Borked it up.
Brown wants to get out of Afghanistan – eventually. When we can get around to it.
"It's very difficult to get into hypotheticals"
I'm not about to answer any questions…
SCALIA?
And Sotomayor–together at last!
Take a stand, 2 face Independent!
My model Supreme Court justice is…KATE MOSS. Aw, yeah!
"Scalia is awesome" — Warrren's grin was wonderful
Justice Scalia isn't very popular with this crowd.
Elena Kagan is.
Great fucking answer!
Scalia and Kagan? Brown he has a confuzzeled.
Model Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas, obvs.
Oh, shit. Liz. That was fucking incredible. You go, girlfriend!
Brown just praised Justices Scalia, Kennedy and Roberts. Then he remembers he has to pretend be "bipartisan" and throws in Sotomayor.
That was so real. I almost could see him think!
I was about to say "but he claims to be bipartisan!", but then he throws in Sotomayor at the end, and you could tell he was thinking the exact same thing and realized he had to throw in a token liberal.
He reminded me of Santorum at that moment.
Palin would have said, "I'll get back to ya, on the Supreme's, but right off the bat, I would have to say Diana Ross", wink, wink.
All of 'em, obv.
I can see Motown from my porch
warren ftw on that ridiculous women in senate question
"Right now I'm trying to do something about that." Line of the night!
Gregory = facepalm
"Why do women suck, Liz?"
"Well we don't."
LOL.
Why has Mass never elected a female senator or governor?
"I don't know"
Good reply–very calm response. Fuck Gregory for trying to get a rise out of her.
(And he cut off her attempt to reply to Scottie's lies so that he would have time to ask that crappy question? The fuck?)
Does Scott Brown know 'professor' is different from 'pole dancer'?
Not where I work.
NOW "Professor" is a compliment. Seriously: She actually said nice things about him. Then he starts with his "Professor" schtick and then said he hopes she doesn't quit her day job. THAT was his "compliment". What a dick.
He is a dick.
Did I miss something–is being a professor considered to be a bad thing, in *Massachusetts*?
Harvard and MIT are the state's shame.
David Gregory has Backpfeifengesicht
You win the evening, my love.
Aw, shucks.
Thank you, for that which I shall now steal.
Cry Havoc, and loose the Germanic Compound Word of War!
Wow. Great word!
My live feed just blew up! Why can't MSNBC ever work as well as YouPorn? (Not that I'd know.)
whereas Brown was a total @$$hole on that question about Warren's good side.
This may come to be known as the Brown Cockblock Debate.
2Names:"Who's your favorite judge?"
Scott Brown:[Pregnant pause] "All of 'em, Davie!" "I'm an 'independant' so I don't need to take an actual position! (P.S. Scalia, also too)."
Hey, the worst Red Sox season in years is great news for America!
Rilly- and when they won it all in 2004, Bush was reelected a week later, and Schilling tried to campaign for him in Cincy, like that would work. Ugh.
Really? Scottie thinks Elizabeth is going to *lose* votes because she was wrong about the Red Sox not winning 90 days?
And yet another question went unanswered by this gutless wonder…
If this debate was not entertaining enough, watch the Fisher Attack story. Hilarious. Scott Brown may be smarter than this woman, but it's a tossup.
What is with those flowers???
eta: Checked the range for those fuckers.Thank goodness they aren't in my area!
If you hear a baby crying in your neighborhood, DON'T GO OUTSIDE!! One of those fishers is no doubt lying in wait, ready to attack your feet…Moral of the story: DO NOT KICK WILD ANIMALS WITH YOUR BAREFEET, OR NOT ALL PERIOD!!!!
The florist was confused as to what would be appropriate for the occasion??
Something about Red Sox. It's a game changer!
And once again Gregory allows Brown to ramble on as much as he wants. Dick.
Sew it up, girl!
"50% with the other party"
Yeah, I love how you have to say "the other party" rather than "the Democrats," because you have to keep hiding the fact that you are a fucking Republican…
Not that anyone would know it listening to him. He loves that word "independent" so much — shouldn't someone explain to him about Bernie being the Senate's only real Socialist?
"I'm not a professional politician–this is my first time running for office"
Zing!
Birth control–yes!
Elizabeth Warren: Gold
Scott Brown: Silver
Table: Bronze
David Gregory: also ran
David Gregory: DNF
David Gregory: DIAF
of votes?
Great closing swing Liz! Good arm extension, sent the ball way over the Green Monster!!!
Way back…WAAYYY BACKKK!
Nice wrap-up, Professor Brown.
He's one perfessor that will let you stuff dollars in his jockstrap.
Sorry, should have written "Perfesser".
And autograph nudie photos.
Not much room left in that jockstrap. It is almost full – not from centerfold work but with Wall St dollars.
Cherokees: Trail of Tears. Wonketeers: Trail of Beers.
Porn vs. The Professor
OK, time to take the dogs out, but I'll be back to check out everyone's comments.
Also, please, whichever team is playing the Cowboys tonight, please win…
Hey Scott – the Liberals called. They want their seat back.
And now it's the Nebraska debate. Hm I don't know if I want to watch one where the Dem is himself a dick but about the best we can get from that state.
Someone asked David Gregory to moderate? That's adorable.
Nice chattin' wit ya, Wonkers. Gotta go to the ATM but I'll check back later to give you all some p-love. And thanks to the Editrix. I couldn't sit through these debates without my pals.
You can tell this is a Nebraska debate when the first question is about agriculture. Also fuck our agriculture policy, which is solely directed in the interests of the farmers instead of the consumers.
Don't forget Archer Daniels Midland.
Congress certainly doesn't.
And, not even farmers in the traditional sense that we understand the word, but corporate farmers. I don't begrudge policy that properly compensates a farm or collection of farms for what can be hard work under often unpredictable circumstances. But, giving these factory farms money to continue to grow shitting soy beans and corn and pigs will be the death of this nation, health-wise. We need more localized direction.
Deb Fischer knows 143 words. What a moron.
Apparently you misheard, David Gregory. They asked you to moderate.
Listen carefully: MOD-ER-ATE.
What you did was gross and you got it all over yourself.
Then the cheerleaders lapped it up.
She was much better tonight. There was much less of "these are the exact words I'm supposed to say over and over." Meanwhile, he was still just an obfuscating political slimeball hack. Can't say who the Mass voters will think came out on top, but only a Masshole could support Senator Stapledick.
Well said, Well said.
Senator Stapledick is now the only name by which he shall be known.
So it has been spoken, and so it shall be done.
Huzzah!
I think you just Won the Night with "Senator Stapledick."
Kerrey's swinging with the Norquist pledge too.
What about Eric Cantor vs. Wayne Powell??
Eric walked out to the podium, and 47-50% of the crowd immediately wanted to rush the stage and kick him in the nutz. It was just like Jack White at Radio City .
Eric Cantor always looks like he is sniffing his own farts. Or maybe he is just a more discreet David Vitter.
Powell showed up on the Ed Show after his debate. Does he have any kind of chance against Cantor?
I don't know. She let both of them control the content for the first half hour, which rehashed all his charges against her. But it did make them look stupid, and towards the end, when Brown said perfessor 8 times in 12 words, it looked sad. He'll win our suburban-trash vote, though.
I'd rather see her tie the anchor of the republican party to his legs and push him off a pier.
Why do the moderators call Fischer a Senator? Is she a state senator? And yes I'm now watching the Nebraska debate. Which has been nothing but polite-ish rebuttals for the past 20 minutes.
These two are both so boring and monotone. Still I'm glad to hear Kerrey point out that dramatic cuts to government spending will, you know, increase unemployment.
We need an unruly UMass crowd. And a bigger stick, evidently.
Yes, she's a state senator. She passed legislation to fund roads while cutting education. What a winner.
That's damned-near enlightened for a Republican from where I'm from. Here, they'd cut education and road funding. Actually, that's exactly what they do. They've cut roading funcing here and Michigan and education and started taxing pensions and other retirement income…to pay for a massive business tax cut. You know, 'cause Freedom.
Professor Warren-Maryann/2016. The Professor, HHS
As Fischer keeps trotting out the same old Republican lies on the ACA, it's nice to see Kerrey call them out as lies.
If only the local media would do the same. If anyone wants some fun, dig up the articles from this summer about Fischer getting millions a year in grazing subsidies whle she tries to cut government. Stupid welfare rancher.
So no wonder she was so adamant about keeping all the wasteful agriculture and ethanol subsidies; not that Kerrey was better on those issues. Stupid regionalism; and stupid Senate that gives empty rural states the same power as California and New York.
Thank you for saying ACA.
I hate the moniker, "Obamacare." I can't shake its tea-baggy beginnings.
(I know. I'm in the minority.)
I'm in there with you.
David Gregory has been out of sorts ever since GEICO stopped using him in that caveman campaign.
GEICO caveman, or a stupid Homer Simpson.
He's just pissed that they haven't made a sequel to the remake of Planet of the Apes, yet (the prequel doesn't count).
For the love of God, Massholes, PLEASE: Elect Elizabeth Warren, and I'll take back all the non-sports, non-Harvard, non-Amherst mean things I've said about your state.
Leaving?
Srsly, she's the first senate candidate in another state I've directly contributed to…
My old ma sent her money and it's the first political contribution she's made in her LIFE.
HELP! WONKETTE IS BROKEN! I can't see the comments but I know you all are out there! I feel like John Edward!
Goodnight, my friends. I came to Wonkette to get the irritating buzz of David Gregory's voice out of my head and now I must try…alone…. to go on….
I shall check back tomorrow in the hopes that, like my black cashmere turtleneck, you shall reappear out of nowhere after being hidden from my desperate search. There, between the wall and the dresser, like new albeit covered in orange cat hair, I will find my fellow wonketeers and will joyfully roll you with masking tape, I mean catch up with your thoughts on the unsufferable Brown.
Oh, what the hell. I'll toss you a pity upfist. It sounds like you've had a rough day.
Hummina hummina hummina
Bob Kerrey: Befuddled Clint Eastwood-esque but way more coherent. Deb Fischer: Ann Romney's long lost twin sister.
Fischer has beeen endorsed by the Wasilla Thrilla. Fischer hit mega word salad tonight..
"I'm warning you, Dobbs!"
I can't believe Warren isn't wiping the mat with this guy. Even with the complete support of DG (vacuous asshole) Brown comes off as nothing more than a haircut and a suit.
And that would be a mean haircut and a rude suit.
Why do I always miss these things? Sounds like my blood pressure was saved, though. Even when he'd not trying to be a Dick, Gregory is a dick, so I can't even imagine when he's trying to be.
Were you watching baseball?
I hope so.
De nada. Save it for Wednesday.
Congrats!!!!!
Read an article about catching earlier this week. (Russel Martin, NY Times).
Can you imagine how a catcher feels if Prince is running at him!?
Funny. I really was expecting a lot more racism than sexism from the debate. Guess that's what I get for underestimating David Gregory.
This is how bottom of the barrel Rethugs are at this point. Asking Arnold Schwarzenegger his advice on debates, Mittens, whatever on Shammity. Are you kidding? Fresh off Arnold's disaster misogynist rant on 60 minutes, book from hell. I think he ran to Faux News because his family disowned him last night.
Gregory breathlessly calling Rupert Murdoch after the debate: "How'd I do, sir?" . Murdoch: "You've got the job, son; good work!" Gregory: "Thank you, sir…..thank you!"
Gregory and Hannity can have their own show called "Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal "
Been done in Hollywood. Called Dumb & Dumber.Sent from the Field, not in Garrison.
Look, I have some great stuff to sell y'all. I have rifles, balls, powder, whiskey, and blankets. (Please don't ask about the latter too much).
I wish our politicians were more like in some other countries. In a South American country last year a female parlamentarian punched a male colleague right in the face on the chamber floor – twice. That is what Elizabeth should have done at the end of the debate – to both of those guys.
Republic of China Legislative Yuan brawls or GTFO.
OT: Am I the only one looking forward to the Obama-Romney debate for no other reason than to see Romney try to grab Obama's arm like he did to Rick Perry, and Barry just break that shit off at the elbow?
I'm itching for this thing to be over, can you tell?
I wanna see if Mitt challenges Obama to a bet.
The floor just collapsed for Romney in NH (52%-37%). The Demonrats may win both houses this time . So if Liz wins, she can get some shit done. If Scott wins, he can twiddle his thumbs for six years. As far as Gregory, he can work for FoxNews and lick Roger Aisle's 1 ft taint.
Well, considering you need 60 votes in the Senate to get anything done (unless Reid grows a fuckin' pair, already), she won't be able to get much done, but keeping it in our hands is necessary if only for symbolic purposes.
Warren has a fifteen point lead over Brown among women, who the fuck told Scotty it'd be a good idea to be such a huge douche bag toward Liz?
Too busy drinking to watch. Who won the blue ribbon…that Injun lady or the nekkid d00d?
Nekkid dood and his douche bag moderator tied up the Injun lady. They tried to set her on fire but the audience said NO.
Sorry if this has been previously posted, but worth a repeat even if so:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2012/sep/28…
Well, at least the Cowboys lost. In spectacular fashion. BWAHAHAHAH!
So, funny thing this morning is how people are trying to make hay about Warren being unable to mention a Republican senator who isn't retiring who she could work with.
Of course, when Brown gave his "I'm bipartisan" answer, he mentioned three Republicans, two of whom are retiring, and also OH YEAH HE IS ALSO A REPUBLICAN SO BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH REPUBLICANS DOES NOT MAKE HIM BIPARTISAN.
We are drinking pink Champagne, because it was literally the only booze in the house.
Pink champagne is your fallback stock?
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL MY LIFE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Thanks for the quaint, nostalgic reminder that the television show "F Troop" was simply one of the worst, most offensive, most stupid, most backwards, most idiotic, most un-funny, most un-comedic–and just plain terrible–television shows in the history of television.
And I thought MissT and I had a big difference (I'm about 6'1" and she's around 5'3")
Your pretend boyfriends are bi?
MrLL always says we look like a bat and ball! Mean bastard.
I may be short but I manage to take up the entire bed. That's my talent.
Not “in” in that way, dirty Booj.
Ohhhhhh….nope, don't understand. Either yer in or ya ain't.
A little bit pregnant is like a little bit Republican. You still need an abortion.
That's slick
The Senators and Orioles in 1969, I think.
That incarnation of the Nats never made it to the playoffs until they did it in 1996 as the Rangers. And they played in the same division as Baltimore and there was no wild card.
A lovely thought, but it was the Orioles against the Twins in '69. Had to look that one up. I would have remembered if the Senators made it in then, because their manager that year, while doing OK, was better known for other things he did on a baseball diamond…arguably the greatest hitter who ever lived.
The Senators and Orioles both had good years in 1969. I think 1969 was the only year the Senators had a good year. That's what I was thinking of. Sorry to confuse things.
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