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Midwest Madness: Your Wisconsin Senate Debate Liveblog!

Doesn't this blog need more ponies?Welcome to all of the Wonkers with nothing else to do on a Friday night! Whether you’re here because you have small children, or because you are a shut-in, or because you haven’t yet figured out how to reprogram your court-ordered ankle bracelet, we bid you welcome! Tonight’s debate features a titanic political standoff between two candidates that we know virtual NOTHING about, but thankfully, that is no longer a deterrent to being a pundit or even a candidate in our modern Republic! It’s like some wonderful fantasy story, come to life!

The candidates are Republican Tommy Thomson, a former 4-term Wisconsin Governor, Secretary of Health and Human Services, and member of the British New Wave pop group “The Thompson Twins” (Or he may have been a detective with a funny mustache, we forget), and Democrat Tammy Baldwin, the current U.S. Representative for Wisconsin’s 2nd district, who has not been in a pop band OR a comic book, but could conceivably have been related to the Baldwin brothers of acting fame. She is also, according to our exhaustive, in-depth research, the first openly gay non-incumbent elected to the House of Representatives. [citation needed]

This debate may actually make a big difference to control of the Senate, since the two candidates are now tied in most polls, after Thompson had led for most of the year. You can watch this thing on C-SPAN at this linky here.

9:01 This theme music sounds a little like Dallas, don’t you think? Bet it’s public domain.

9:03 We are now in the part of the program where local sponsors of the debates talk about the great pageant of democracy. Feel free to throw peanuts at them.

9:05 Baldwin opening statement. I’m a reformer, my opponent has worked as a lobbyist for the special interests that oppress you. Thompson opening statement: I was governor and did many things which made healthcare better for all. We must repeal Obamacare.

9:10 Tommy is a reg’lar guy. Tammy is a far-left liberal. We warn anyone making up a drinking game that a shot anytime Tommy says “most liberal” or “far left” is a ticket to the ER, even though this is a 1-hour debate.

9:15 Grover Norquist! Jimmy Warren Buffett! We are getting a lot of names dropped in this question!

9:17 There was a serious question about the deficit in there, we think. We were fiddling with our laptop and we missed it. And now the question is about taxes. Tammy just said “carried interest” and tried to link it to Mitt, but she could have driven the post home more. Tommy, on the other hand, is folksy and will cut taxes. It’s bullshit, but it might work.

9:23 Tommy Thompson wants to eliminate the filibuster. That’s quoteable. Oh, Tammy, you’re talking about your actual bipartisan accomplishments, but it’s a list… and the last bit about Congress not getting paid if they don’t pass a budget? Nice gimmick, only it’s gimmicky!

9:29 Obamacare! Badgercare! Medicare Part D (which wasn’t paid for). Socialized medicine! Was there an actual answer in there about whether Tommy would repeal the ACA or not? We think he’s against it, but we’re not sure. Tammy doesn’t want Tommy to rip up the ACA. She drafted the covered-until 26 thing, which seems good. Followup: Oh, OK, he actually does want to drop all of the ACA and then fix each part. At the state level. Where it … uh…won’t happen?

9:30 “Chronic illnesses was something I started when I was at HHS.” That can’t be right.

9:32 Thompson is snort-laughing at Tammy. That’s not what you call “good visuals,” America.

9:36 Cartoon bomb reference. And we must take this cartoon bomb very seriously, because a Very Bad Man might draw the world into WW III somehow….so…what? Ah, draw a red line. We do not blame either of the candidates for not saying exactly what they want to do, because yeesh, Iran.

9:40 A Demmycrat is against nation-building in Afghanistan. Tommy spoke personally to Colin Powell, and this somehow means “we” don’t have the will to win in Afghanistan. Both candidates want to get out? Go figure. Tommy held back from saying anything about getting stabbed in the back.

9:42 Tommy: There’s enough oil in the Canadian tar sands to meet all of US America’s needs. We must build the Keystone XL pipeline so all that oil can go to be refined in Houston. Where it will be put on tankers and exported.

9:45 We have potato chips, we just remembered. Jerbs are also good. Tommy keeps reminding us that he is not in Congress, but he is a reformer. “I do not criticize the other side. Barack Obama and my opponent want to increase food stamps and welfare.” Whoo-hoo! Daily Show, here we come!

9:49 Finally, an Asian Carp question!

9:51 “For once I’m not being blamed! Or President Bush! I am out of my mind!” Tommy Thompson needs to go to Remedial Zinger School.

9:55 Closing statements. Neither candidate has exacly set the airwaves on fire tonight. This has been like watching a minor league ball game, only there’s no Dizzy Lizzy Bat Race or t-shirt cannon. Thank god, there was beer.

Ah well, not every liveblog can be Bill Clinton being exciting about math. G’night!

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Doktor Zoom Is the pseudonym of Marty Kelley, who lives in Boise, Idaho. He acquired his nym from a fan of Silver-Age comics after being differently punctual to too many meetings. He is not a medical doctor, although he has a real PhD (in Rhetoric and Composition).

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    1. Boojum

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      1. Callyson

        If you enter Amazon through Our Wonkette, our Editrix gets a cutIs that for *anything* we order from Amazon, or just the books advertised on Wonkette?I have it on good authority she will autograph them at Drinky Things.Oh, that's it…now I am really going to beg and plead for a post election victory party in Los Angeles. Seriously, Wonkette, I'll chip in for some beer if that helps…

        1. Doktor Zoom

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        2. LionHeartSoyDog

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    1. bobbert

      Even after forty years, if I visit Wisconsin, it only takes about a day before I stop noticing the pseudo-Canuck accent and start speaking it. It's actually pretty close to network standard, but with a slight nod to "aboot".

      Of course, I think it's charming — it's what I spoke for my first 21 years.

      1. horsedreamer_1

        Knew a gal from South Dakota in undergrad who claimed SOUTHDAK is the affectless network standard.

        Sadly, too, I was dumb & never got to hear her unaffectedly recite pillow talk after a nite of lovemaking.

  1. Callyson

    My opponent has taken on powerful special interests as clients

    Oh yeah! Glad she is as unladylike as McCaskill!

  2. sudsmckenzie

    gawd, I have no life. I'm watching this on local TeeVee wondering if Tammy can make it through a complete sentence, like I do with All Sharpton or Andrea Mitchelle.

    1. HouseOfTheBlueLights

      Wisconsin is the most polite place you will ever go to. This is why the sight of Wisconsinites protesting was so riveting. These are people who will note that you are heading for a door that they are near, and will stop and wait for you to get there so they can hold it open for you.

  3. Callyson

    "She doesn't have a record to run on"

    Wait, didn't Tommy base his opening statement on how liberal her record is?

    I take back what I said about this asshole being polite…

  4. Callyson

    Nice way to connect the "my opponent is a liberal" crap from Tommy to the true cause of the economic mess we have. Go Tammy!

  5. JohnnyQuick

    Shlommy Shlompson is one of the drunkiest looking politicians ever. Seems like a good choice for the head of the Health department, is what DWI Bush thought.

  6. Callyson

    "We're headed for a recession unless we do something"

    I suggest you tell this to the Party of No in Congress, Governor…

  7. Callyson

    "Yes we can…but we gotta do what I want to do"

    Great, that's all we need–yet another Reep who wants it his way or the highway…

  8. Callyson

    OH YEAH! That boneheaded thing about not being able to negotiate with drug companies for Medicare! Keep hammering the Reeps on that point, Tammy…

  9. Callyson

    And then I think he made an audible sigh…didn't he learn from the Bush Gore debates?

    I hope not…

    Go Tammy!

  10. Callyson

    Oh yeah, carried interest…keep reminding swing state Wisconsin voters of that tax loophole, Tammy…don't forget to use Mittens as an example…

    1. Shartiblartfat

      Actually, many Wisconsinites referred to Tommy Thompson as Tommy "Pave The State!" Thompson. The concrete lobby loved him.

  11. Callyson

    This guy wants to go after Tammy for criticizing someone who wasn't in Congress for the economic woes? How about he doesn't blame Tammy for the fuckuppery that happened as a result of the policies of W and the GOP-held Congress?

  12. Callyson

    Tammy has a nice comeback on the bipartisan thing…and a subtle way to bring up health care and women's issues with the breast care thing.

  13. Callyson

    Aw, she was raised by her grandparents? I was raised by my grandma for part of my childhood, and I still remember how panicked she would get if she had to go to the Social Security office for any reason. Fuckers who want to cut it…never mind, Rules for Radicals won't let me say what I'd like to do to them. (Hint–it isn't with votes…)

  14. Callyson

    Speaking of Obamacare, WaPo had a good column on how people are warming up to it, or at least are not as hostile to it as they initially were after the Reeps' scare tactics…

    1. Jukesgrrl

      The minute they realized they could get something out of it. I was talking to an Rmoney voter the other day who was complaining about having to cover her mother's donut hole and I screamed Affordable Care Act and told her about the donut hole getting less holey. All of a sudden, Obama got a little whiter.

  15. BlueStateLibel

    Nothing beats flattering your readers, Doctor. And can someone show me how to get this damn thing off my ankle?

  16. Callyson

    2/3 of young adults covered by their parents' healthcare, rather than taking their chances and praying nothing happens to them.

    She built that!

  17. Callyson

    Oh FFS, the Federal government is not going to determine your doctor under Obamacare. That myth was disproved long ago, asshole.

    Good for Tammy for pointing that out!

    1. natl_indecency_cmdr

      as of today, no. the case is in the courts and hopefully will not be suddenly implemented before Nov 6.

      1. MilwaukeeKent

        The state Supreme Court sent it back to the lower courts, which should table it at least until after the election. Also, that Nathan Sproul/Strategic Whatever-he's-calling-it-this-week outfit was apparently lined up here but never engaged, so Wisconsin might have an honest election after all.

    2. natl_indecency_cmdr

      update! according to Dane101 blog, voter ID will not be required for the Nov 6 election. woot! and woot again!

  18. Callyson

    Oooh, did Tommy just come out for the Ryan medicare plan? The one that is unpopular in the polls? Hee hee hee…

  19. Callyson

    We have to stand united on this area of foreign policy

    Her digs at Mittens and Co are good, but I fear she is a little too subtle.

    Then again, this is the polite Midwest we're talking about, so maybe she's hitting just hard enough…

  20. Callyson

    Really, Tommy? You want to talk about having a plan before going to war? Did you ever run that idea by W when he was in office and got us into an unnecessary war in Iran, and ensured that Afghanistan would be left over for the next president by doing so?

  21. Callyson

    Tell 'em Tammy–ANWAR = 6 months supply? Fuck that.

    Oh, and good reminder that it would create zero jobs in Wisconsin…

    1. HouseOfTheBlueLights

      What drives me crazy is that no one ever brings up that the reason ANWR hasn't happened is because it's not cost effective to the oil companies– their investment isn't worth the return they'll get.

  22. Callyson

    Public/private sector job creation? Yeah, if it were not for all the government job cuts, unemployment would be at least one percentage point lower…

  23. Callyson

    Oh FFS, this abortion question is R – worded. Federal funds are *not* used for abortions, you idiot journalist!

  24. fuflans

    so from down here in IL i remember tommy thompson for

    1. being fat (WI!)
    2. being the architect of welfare reform on the state level (you know, how they always bang on about the states being the laboratories of blah blah blah…)
    3. being way old.

    dude should not be in the senate is all.

    1. bobbert

      Regarding (1) and (3)
      well, yeah, I shouldn't run for Senate.

      Regarding (2), fuck the former governor of my native state with a chainsaw of votes.

  25. Callyson

    Oh FOR FUCK'S SAKE, Tommy, give it a rest with the "I'm surprised, this is the first time I haven't been attacked." It isn't all about you, asshole.

    1. Doktor Zoom

      That kinda came out of freakin' NOWHERE, didn't it? Clearly a coached / rehearsed zinger, only not zingy, and deployed with no appropriate context because he realized the clock was running down.

  26. Come here a minute

    Instead of a dumb pipeline, they should pump all the water out of Lake Superior and store all the tar sand oil there. It's good for Wisconsin!

  27. Monsieur_Grumpe

    Has anyone asked the most important question?
    What is your favorite bratwurst?
    The only correct answer is Carl's.

    1. shelwood46

      When I moved from Green Bay to New Jersey in 1986, I was dismayed to find that the only "brats" available here were these grotesque pre-cooked Hilshire Farms abominations. They were white. For many years, every time I visited home I would return with a cooler packed with brats (and Merkts). Finally, about 8 years ago, they started selling Johnsonville brats here. I know the owner of that company is a right wing tool, but the brats are decent. At first they were only sold in the summer, but now I can get them year-round to parboil in beer then grill.

      I still bring back coolers full of Merkts.

  28. natl_indecency_cmdr

    This is Wisconsin. Everyone at this debate–the candidates, the moderators, the crew–is a little drunk. Everyone watching in Wisconsin is wasted. [raises bottle]… hic!

    1. bobbert

      As far as I can recall, I always regarded him as a piece of shit. But, I'll admit, I haven't lived in WI since 1969, so I wasn't always paying close attention.

  29. Callyson

    And oh yeah…good for Tammy for pointing out that Tommy would cut taxes for the rich and *raise* them for the middle class…

  30. Radiotherapy

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  31. Callyson

    Doktor, thanks for setting this up. Sorry there was not a bigger crowd, but I appreciated the opportunity to snark.

  32. Callyson

    OK, I'm jumping to the beginning to check out what everyone else said, but before I do so…

    Tell us, Wikipedia, what fun facts do you have about Tommy Thompson?

    After leaving office, Thompson promoted changes to Medicare that some complained would benefit companies Thompson has a financial stake in (including Centene and the Deloitte Center for Health Solutions).
    Additionally, while in office, Thompson was involved in a dispute over whether the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services had to share cost estimates to Congress for legislation that would create a prescription drug benefit. Critics accused HHS of downplaying the true cost of the law by $150 billion. CMS Administrator Tom Scully threatened to fire the actuary if he revealed to Congress his estimate. Investigators determined that the data was improperly hidden from Congress, but did not conclude whether laws had been broken.

    Another fiscally conservative Republican at work…

    Lots more on Wiki:

  33. Callyson

    a shot anytime Tommy says “most liberal” or “far left” is a ticket to the ER

    Mitt Romney approves this message.

    1. savethispatient

      Presumably the fringe candidate who is anti-cheese and pro-scab NFL referees was not invited to the debate?

      1. littlebigdaddy

        Yeah but I'm sure there's lots of nuance on exactly HOW it sucked. And I have never had a conversation with a Wisconsinite that lasted more than 5 minutes that did not touch on football.

          1. Chet Kincaid_

            I'm originally from Cleveland, but left before I got into football, so I'm more tuned in to Packers-Bears. But it must suck for my relatives in Cleveland, to have such hatred for the Steelers while being so irrelevant to the Steelers, since Steelers/Former Browns is The Rivalry in that division now.

            Actually, the AFC North has as much intrigue and bed-hopping recrimination as a Fleetwood Mac album from the '70s, considering that 3 of the 4 teams stem from one long narrative of rejection, jealousy and unrequited ego (I'm looking at you, Paul Brown and Art Modell!).

          2. Doktor Zoom

            Few people are aware of the hidden references to the '77 Steelers woven into the lyrics of "You Make Lovin' Fun."

          3. Chet Kincaid_

            Art Modell made them cry, made them break down — shattered their illusions of love!

            And Paul Brown is the Mormon Patriarch of Football: he was an Ohio high school coaching legend, made Ohio State a power, and started the Browns/Ravens and Bengals. Bill Walsh's West Coast Offense fell off his coaching tree, also.

    1. bobbert

      Genetic Packer fan here:

      Too late. On to next week.

      Every team has at least one blatant theft in its history. Nobody quite forgets, but it is just a fucking game, after all.

      1. shelwood46

        Have you ever tried to explain to someone outside of Wisco about being a Packer fan by birthright? It's rough. They definitely look at you funny when you talk about how your parents first knew you were gifted because you could pick out Bart Starr at 2, by kissing the tv screen, and how the first number you knew was, in fact, 15.

        You know, I wonder if part of the reason Tammy is doing okay in WI is because it would never occur to Wisconsinite that it was weird for a little girl to go as a linebacker for Halloween. As long as it was a Packer. (Badger might also be acceptable.)

        1. bobbert

          "Have you ever tried to explain to someone outside of Wisco about being a Packer fan by birthright?"

          All the time, but since I've lived in NorCal for 40 years, most people understand fairly quickly. And I have to admit there has been some reverse flow. I'm prepared to concede that both 15 and 16 are acceptable numbers for QBs. (I remain hopeful about 12. 4 is, like, a personal weakness).

          Did she really dress as an LB? Good for her. I hope it was 66.

          1. shelwood46

            I don't know about Tammy, but I do know that most of the kids, boys and girls, went as Packers for Halloween for all of the late '60s.

            Also, I was highly amused in the '90s when my kinda racist cousin was incredibly pleased that her son's best friend was black, "because it's just like Brett and Reggie!"

          2. bobbert

            Even out here in theoretically-not-so-racist Cali, there was a definite surge of Reggie-mania. It led me to a belief (which I still hold) that professional sports actually perform a social good.

  34. natl_indecency_cmdr

    Not to pretend that I'm sober or anything, but this race may or may not decide control of the US Senate. If you love America, give $$$ to Tammy Baldwin's campaign. She may not have impressed many tonight but she is a noted Lesbian running against a known drunk in Wisconsin. She needs your help.

    sloppy hugs and kisses,
    your National Indecency Commander.

  35. Negropolis

    I'm so sorry I missed this…zzzzz…

    I do hope Baldwin wins, but wake me up when there is an Allen-Kaine debate. Now that's going to be entertaining.

    And, as a Michigander, on the issue of the Asian Carp, I say to Illinois: "Build the danged (underwater electrified) fence!" Yes, another one.

  36. Negropolis

    BTW, doesn't Tommy seem like the grumpiest man you've ever known? He has not aged well. He looks like a cartoon figurine, like a bastardized Hummel, like some kind of damaged lawn gnome.

  37. Negropolis

    OT: Watching Charlie Rose and he's on with Norah O'Donnell and Bill Clinton, and Clinton is talking about the protest in the Middle East and North Africa and is just so totally unpoint and hopeful that he sent my spirit soaring. God, this man has still got it. I was practically yelling at the television, but in a good way.

    1. bobbert

      Two things about Bubba are (1) he is one of the few people who I will immediately agree are smarter than I am; and (2) he still cares enough about shit to pay attention.

      We know from the replacement of Glass-Steagal that his judgment isn't perfect, but I would still be inclined to trust him over any other political figure of roughly similar stature.

      Sorry, Prommie.

      1. Radiotherapy

        Glass-Steagal was a big fucking deal, but he has admitted now that it was a huge mistake. Zeus, how could he sign anything sponsored by Phil Gramm??!? He did have a problem keeping his snake in check, but you know the guy was important when even the wingtards show him respect now. No one ever talks about how well he handled the Balkans.
        As Bismark said prophetically:
        Some damned foolish thing in the Balkans
        Or Churchill:
        “The Balkans produce more history than they can consume”
        That situation could have been several orders of magnitude worse if Clinton hadn't handled it with the right amount of force, diplomacy and humanitarianism.
        And how can anyone deny the incredible budget surplus? A balanced budget was as inconceivable beforehand as it is now.
        And the icing was that speech at the DNCC. I even watched the whole thing.
        I know too that prommie despises him, but I look at him like an LBJ type character.

    2. DemmeFatale

      Way back when he was president, I was getting a tour of the Supreme Court by their head historian who described himself as a "Goldwater Republican." Clinton was 2 hours late for a speech there, but by the end, this historian was part of a standing ovation, and some were standing on their chairs to applaud.
      The Big Dog can sure give a speech!

      1. Negropolis

        Yeah, say what you will about him (and I have said both good and bad things about him) that man gives a helluva a speech and an even better lecture, and no one can ever take that away from him.

  38. MilwaukeeKent

    Well, that was a taste of Wisconsin, with all the vigor, excitement and passion of a typical Lutheran church supper. I especially enjoyed the introductory comments by the Chairman of the Poultry Supplies Council.

  39. James Michael Curley

    Mitt to have emotional breakdown if President?

    "In an interview Thursday with television station KTVN, Mrs. Romney was asked what her biggest worry was should Mitt Romney be elected to serve in the White House.

    "I think my biggest concern obviously would just be for his mental well-being," she said. "I have all the confidence in the world in his ability, in his decisiveness, in his leadership skills, in his understanding of the economy. … So for me I think it would just be the emotional part of it."

    1. ThundercatHo

      I just watched that on Daily Kos, interesting article linking Mitt's lying and/or refuting statements just made with Alzheimers. Can you provide the link for others here?

      1. James Michael Curley

        I’ll take a look when I get off work. Are you stating that the Daily Kos article linked Romney’s statements to Alzheimers or to Aspbergers as the later has been referenced occasionally going back about two years?

        1. ThundercatHo

          I had not seen this reference before so it was a "Holy Cow!" moment for me. I'm really liking TDK more and more.

          1. James Michael Curley

            Here’s the link to the Daily Kos article speculating Romney has Alzheimer Disease.… which, of course, is an opinion from a source not especially qualified to make medical assessments.Here’s a discussion about whether David Schuster committed a foul by suggesting Romney has Asperger Syndrome, and autism spectrum disorder,… which also is an opinion from a person not really medically qualified to make it. However with this I know a person who is diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome/ASD by professionals and Romney’s behavior at many times is similar. The most recent being the attempt to stand in front of a crowd and try to start a Romney, Romney, Romney chant only to find out no one was responding.

      1. James Michael Curley

        Since Saturday was unusually busy I have not yet consulted the BoobTube or the NoobTube to see how this is playing. I may actually consult one or two of the Sunday Morning Funnies to find out.

    2. Negropolis

      Are they really going to take the George Romney route to disqualify themselves? The only difference is that what they did to George was unfair.

      1. James Michael Curley

        The Republican Party has three wings which I call the Bush wing, the Nixon wing and the Goldwater wing and one can trace the roots of each all the way back to the Civil War to End of Reconstruction era. George Romney’s emergence as a candidate in 1968 was a disruption in the flow of power. Had George Romney gone on to be the party candidate and then elected, hundreds of high level, rich and mostly industrial behind the scenes players would have been on the self for four years. These are people who can pick up the phone and expect to get the President. They (the Republicans leading either of those wings) feel, I’m sure. Just act to exercise the orderly flow of power. Thus Romney in 1968 was a coincidental outlier that erupted on the national scene with the initial turning of American Politics from the Boss Tweed/James Michael Curley political structures to the utilization of media on the widest possible scope to, as Joe McGinniss documented in “The Selling of the President”, to create an up swell that leads people’s perception to a tipping point that some bozo has been around for a while and now it is his time to step to the forefront to assume the mantle of leadership he so rightly disserves.One can see it in Ann Romney’s comment (soon to be called an inelegantly stated truth). Mitt is the candidate who has all the talent now yet he has the same human failings we all have. When the subconscious political mind decides to anoint it seeks to express and inevitability. Realize that the way our political subconscious chooses leaders comes from the roots of an era when we believed it was in our best interests to give the Rail Barons, Coal Barons, Industrial Barons and Retail Barons even more government largess because, after they took all they could on the sly, they must be competent enough to deserve more. We are close to having a Macheath candidate whose transgressions, however severe, can be dismissed because he is our savior and destined leader.

        1. schvitzatura

          You gentlemen who think you have a mission
          To purge us of the seven deadly sins
          Should first sort out the basic food (substitute 'healthcare', 'housing', where appropriate) position
          Then start your preaching, that's where it begins

          So first make sure that those (aka Mitt's '47%'), who now are starving
          Get proper helpings, when we all start carving (or shooting, but only with votes)

          1. James Michael Curley

            We are so going Godwin’s Law on this if I respond the way I want to.So I’ll leave it at Prescott Bush.

    3. schvitzatura

      Cognitive dissonance vis–à–vis LDS dogma/dictates of his Pioneer Ancestor/First Presidency/Apostle fellow travelers versus serving everyday Americans.

      Same thing happened to Romney Senior. Mitt is likewise under the thrall of Deseret Inc.. The cracks have been showing and are increasingly widening.

  40. Monsieur_Grumpe

    Mr. Bert,

    Karl's Country Market
    Pilgrim Road, Menomonee Falls, WI
    (262) 252-3090

    Karl's website appears to have beeen hijacked by some Chinese outfit.
    Has Wisconsin been sold to the Chinese??????

    Also here in Minneapolis is a great place that might ship.

  41. James Michael Curley

    "went to get her one-year-old son out of the backseat of a rental car in Texas and found him playing with a 9MM semi-automatic pistol. She reported it to the Enterprises car rental service who allegedly found the same gun in another car on the lot! Bates is very glad her son is ok and says from now on, she won’t rely on service providers to check the car for any left behind items."

    Texas, why are we not surprised? Probably had Eric Holder's fingerprints all over it.

  42. docterry6973

    And yes, this blog does need more ponies. Especially pretty ones that can be mine. Or perhaps 'ponies' does not mean what i think it means.

  43. Shartiblartfat

    I watched the debate. I am a Tammy Balwin supporter, and my wife and I plan to early-vote for her and ALL the other Democrats on October twenty-second!

    Having said that, I thought Tommy looked old and tired. In my opinion, he seemed to be getting upset by the time the ordeal (for him) was over. Tammy always smiled, even when she was poking and jabbing the fat, old fool.

  44. ttommyunger

    Tammy Trumps Tommy, every day in every way. She may have lost her legs, but her balls are twice the size of Tommy's.

    1. Doktor Zoom

      Baldwin, not Duckworth. I kept making the same mistake, but this is the lesbian Tammy, not the disabled vet Tammy. And her opponent is merely 90% assholish,

      1. ttommyunger

        I never claimed to be smart, thankfully. Thanks for taking the time to enlighten me. Sent from the Field, not in Garrison.

        1. Rotundo_

          It matters not, Tommy sold his balls during the Bush administration so he doesn't have any. Either Tammy would be a great representative, but Joe Walsh is the best asshole I have ever seen in a republican uniform (grey suit, red tie). Thompson isn't nearly as horrid a human being. He would have to really take a dive in the deep end of the asshole pool to get to Walsh levels.

          1. ttommyunger

            I am actually familiar with all four of these players, just had a brain fart with the Tammy mix-up. Thompson is merely your common run of the mill sellout, not at all in the Asshole of the Year Class with Walsh, you're correct.

  45. 102415

    One more time for all you NYC Wonkers. Please come to my party this damp afternoon at a great Mexican restaurant and if you give me the Wonkette secret handshake I'll get you a drink. I'll be the only old bat there. It starts at 3 and ends at 6. Check my comment stream back about three spaces for the addy. Or answer here.

      1. 102415

        Aww! I wish you could have come. The wee little margaritas were tasty. We did good. $10k. But no Spankything showed up although I invited it. Her husband must have insisted she paint the garage, mow the lawn and steal Obama signs from the neighbors being it was Saturday.

    1. James Michael Curley

      Loved it, especially the part about bagels as we went through a whole things weeks ago about how one has to go to Zabars to find a decent salt bagel with lox and a schmear.

  46. Geminisunmars

    I am the last person to give a rat's ass about fashion, but saw on Yahoo a pic of Egg and what she wore last night on the Jay Leno show. It was a multi-tiered leather skirt, matching top, with lacy come-fuck-me-pumps ala Madonna. Way to connect with the common-woman, Ann. I could practically hear her thinking "I'll show that bitch Michelle just who is a fashionista."

    1. docterry6973

      I thought it was a poor choice, but in truth I think Ann has done very well in the fashion department as a rule. Politics not so much.

    2. Jukesgrrl

      Do you think Ann is being dressed by a brave gay mole who is pretending to be a Republican but is secretly choosing outfits that will fail to show her at her best? Those shoes look like they came from the TV shopping channel's Hot In Hollywood program.

      Leaving her brain out of it, I think Ann is a very attractive woman. She has that natural white bread beauty that used to be highly prized in this country. But she would look much more normal dressed like the country club member that she is, not in clothes that look like they came out of Heather Locklear's closet. Ralph Lauren has plenty of clothing lines that celebrate rich conservatives.

      1. Geminisunmars

        Brave gay mole must be the answer. Either that, or she believes that the 47% would relate better to her dressed like a "slut".

    3. LagunaB

      I am a fashion designer and women of America please stop wearing black top to bottom. Wearing black by your face makes you look dead and damn boring. On TV what should be worn is simple from your waist down and flattering top with your hair out of your face. Chocolate brown and navy or a good replacement for black.

        1. LagunaB

          I saw her walking onto Leno's show. The outfit and shoes were too young for her. Black looks especially bad on blonds. Shit, she has the money. Wear couture or Armani. Prada is too hip for her. If I had her money, even when I was casually dressed, I would look fabulous.

      1. Geminisunmars

        Of course not. I'm not here to worry about what she thinks about "us" people. But in so far that everything every politician (and spouse) says or does and how they look is scrutinized and snarked about, I'm curious about what the wonketteers think about her attire. Every word, every hair-do, every piece of clothing sends a message, whether conscious or unconscious. Do you have a problem with the topic?

        1. BlueStateLibel

          I think our boy Radio was just being sarcastic.

          It's silly to judge politicians so much by their appearances. Half the Founding Fathers probably wouldn't have made it in the age of television – or the age of photography for that matter.

        2. LagunaB

          Michelle Obama looks great. The only change I would suggest is more drop waist styles. No big belts at waist. She has long legs and is short-waisted. She dresses her age and has fun with clothes.

        3. Radiotherapy

          C'mon G, doncha know I jest?
          But if you you want to know what I think of the outfit, the first thought was Palin's stylist is back in the campaign.

          1. Geminisunmars

            Sorry, RadioT. Yesterday was thin skin day. Today I'm back to being zoftig.Yeah, Palinesque, only trashier.

      1. Dashboard Buddha

        “I think it's a weird question,” said Jared Johnsen, endowed LDS Church member. "

        Wait, what?

    4. ElPinche

      This is what happened:


      Yeah all GOP advisors speak in all caps.

    1. Jukesgrrl

      Amazing here in cloudless Southern Arizona. Looking out my bedroom window the moon is hanging right over the Catalina Mountains like in a post card. We won't need lights on the patio tonight. Thanks for the link.

    2. Charlie_Foxtrot

      Moon Uranus


      Jeez, the astronomers must have been looking forward to this the same way morning-zoo radio sports guys look forward to USC-Oregon State games.

      "Trojans haven't pounded on Beavers that hard since Kim Kardashian went clubbing with Kanye West."

  47. DustBowlBlues

    It wasn't on my teevee and I was too busy getting stuff ready for church tomorrow, being one of those dysfunctional godless-liberalsl who attends church as . . . irony? Or because I'm a better xian than any of the conservatives?

    Whatever–Who won?

  48. johnnyzhivago

    Top Romney Debate Zingers Leaked:

    – "There you go one more time"
    – "Sir, I knew Richard Nixon and you're no Richard Nixon".
    – "Ask yourselves are you better off today than you were 47 years ago?"

  49. DustBowlBlues

    Well, shit. It's late and I'm worried about the fucking Supreme Court if the rat-bastards manage to steal this thing. I heard on Rachel that women in TX are already going to Mexico for a pill they hope aborts the fetus.

    Remember: When coat hangers are outlawed, desperate women will find another way. I actually feel proud that I had an abortion at 4 weeks–suck on that, Tommy. And Todd and Michele and anyone else in the bottomless pit of vitriol and ignorance and rich puppet masters who are the Republithug party today.

    Time for bed. Nitey' all.

    Later, losers, and love and kisses, DBB

      1. Iam_Who_Iam

        I'm really trying hard to be patient, but it is rainy here and I am so bored. Please, where is my fun with Christianists? (Did I spell that right? I dunno, I'm not so bored I want to go check.)

        1. Doktor Zoom

          OK, it just went up!

          Happy to know that this thing is actually looked forward to by some, although that may indicate a certain masochism on your part.

  50. menopausemafia

    Let's all get on the Wonkette bandwagon because the republican is a "White Male" (cue the boos and derisive comments) against a "Progressive Female" (cue the unnatural syrupy accolades for the human without a penis)….Extra points if she munches rugs…extra-extra points if she once led a hetero lifestyle but has since come out publicly as sheena. This is all so predictable, so boring, and so not progressive.

        1. Dashboard Buddha

          Remember the trolls we used to attract? There were giants in those days. This new generation of trolls is just so much weak spunk.

    1. ProgressiveInga

      As a dedicated Wonketteer and resident rug-muncher, I respectfully submit the following:
      FUCK YOU!

      1. menopausemafia

        Scream it loud, you don't have to take it any more…scream it louder, throw in "racist", "sexist", and any other ad hominem you can think of….and then go back and convince your friends that you are being brave and smart….sound familiar?

    2. Negropolis

      Woe be to the White Male! Minorities and women have it made, I tells ya'. As Romney said so elegantly, had he been born Mexican, he'd have had this thing all wrapped up, right? Fuck the fuck off, and return beneath the bridge from whence you crawled.

      You idiot really believe this, and that is why you can't be debate with and must be defeated to even begin the process of learning from your false belief in fantasies.

  51. miss_grundy

    While reading the article is good for a laugh and a snark, I feel sorry for these home-schooled children who are learning this shite. We already have dumb adults walking around who weren't home-schooled, but I hope the children can grow out of this stuff quickly in the real world. I just wonder if they will ever tell their parents they are full of it.

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