Today's False Equivalency Update

‘The Left’ Is Anti-Science Because Of Hippies, Says New Dumb Book

Coming Soon: Wonkette's New All-Pony Format! Hey, there, fellow leftists! Hope you’re all having a great day eating organic arugula, liberating lab animals from a university research facility, and withholding your children from getting vaccinated! Because it turns out that, despite the fairly well-documented dislike of science facts by many on the right, it’s really libruls who hate science, as the Moonie Times discovered when it spoke to Dr. Alex Berezow, a microbiologist and science blogger who just happens to have co-authored a book on that very subject, Science Left Behind: Feel-Good Fallacies and the Rise of the Anti-Scientific Left. It’s apparently a kind of reply to Chris Mooney’s 2006 The Republican War on Science; we will happily admit to not having read either one. So is this another case of Both Sides Do It, then? Let us “examine” the “evidence” and “form” a “conclusion”!

To start off, it would appear that Berezow is an actual scientist who is convinced that evolution is real and accepts the reality of climate change. That’s a nice start! We can even agree with him on his analysis of why the latter is so politically charged:

I believe the issue is contentious because of the policy implications, not because of the science itself.

Unfortunately, when conservatives hear “global warming,” many of them really hear “cap-and-trade” or some other policy they don’t like. The key to defusing the situation is to make sure the science is separated from the policy. Just because the planet is getting warmer doesn’t mean we must implement cap-and-trade. Instead, we could try other methods of reducing our carbon emissions, such as encouraging more nuclear power and natural gas development, both of which are a huge improvement over burning coal.

We will even limit our nitpicking to pointing out that “cap-and-trade” was a “market based solution” which originated in the Reagan administration, because we’d love to be bipartisan about all this. Do lots of libruls oppose nuclear energy? Yeah, probably a fair charge, though our impression is that there’s far more diversity on that issue than in the 1970s.

As for natural gas, Berezow’s blog/news aggregation site, RealClear Science, takes a consistently pro-fracking stance, even re-titling some articles it aggregates. For instance, an AP story titled “Experts: Some fracking critics use bad science” is transformed on RealClearScience to the unambiguous “Anti-Fracking Activists Literally Ignore Science.” But, sure, we’re willing to accept that many liberals have a built-in skepticism to the safety pronouncements of giant corporations. We wonder why that might be, when industry has such a sterling record of environmentally responsible behavior.

The rest of the interview has a similar aura of broad-brush accusations. Liberals claim to be for renewable energy, but a subset of liberals oppose hydroelectric dams because of their impact on rivers, and another subset opposes wind farms “because the turbines are ugly and they kill birds.” Liberals delude themselves that organic food is healthier or more sustainable than agribusiness, even though “organic farms are inefficient, and we simply cannot feed the world with organic food” (Berezow does at least acknowledge that factory farms overuse antibiotics, increasing the risks of resistant bacteria evolving).

To make matters worse, science itself is infected by liberalism, which may have an “indirect” influence on science education:

There are very few conservative scientists. One survey showed that only 6% of US scientists are Republicans, while 55% are Democrats. In the social sciences, the ratio can be as lopsided as 30 Democrats for every 1 Republican. Obviously, a discipline that is so ideologically skewed in one direction is going to produce research that reflects that internal bias…

Also, teachers’ unions — which are allied with the Democratic Party — refuse to accept any reasonable reforms in education (such as merit-based pay and charter schools).

That last sentence is a doozy; what merit pay and charter schools actually have to do with science education, we cannot venture to guess — perhaps Berezow simply wants to undermine the statistical studies which suggest that charter schools are no better than public schools?

Berezow saves his real ire for people who surely do deserve it: the anti-vaccine movement, which really does represent a threat to public health. We were surprised to learn, however, that all of liberalism is responsible for and maybe even dominated by the tiny subset of science-denying loons who refuse to vaccinate their children:

because the progressive Left adheres to two basic myths: The first is that “natural is better” (which explains the fascination with organic food and alternative medicine) and “unnatural is bad” (which explains the fear of “chemicals”). Combine those myths with their hatred of pharmaceutical companies, and you have all the ingredients for an unreasonable opposition to vaccines. A public health official once noted that the anti-vaccine movement seems strongest in places that have Whole Foods.

Oh, those stoopid hippies! They are endangering everyone’s health! Never mind that some of the strongest pro-science debunkers of anti-vaccine foolishness are unabashed liberals (see PZ Myers, for instance). And while we’re happy to condemn anti-vaxxers as just plain unscientific and wrong, they have nothing like the influence on the left as a whole that the right’s science-deniers have. A Democratic candidate supporting childhood vaccinations may upset a few misinformed fanatics. A Republican candidate saying that creationism has absolutely no place in a science classroom will be primaried before the mic goes cold.

Do people’s politics affect their perceptions of scientific issues? There’s plenty of evidence that it does, and we’ll readily agree that the left has its share of loons. In terms of their influence, however, we’ll hold off on worrying about the “anti-science left” for a while. Get back to us when it looks like there’s a serious threat that public school health classes will be required to teach that crystals can realign the body’s chi.

[Washington Times Blogs]

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Doktor Zoom Is the pseudonym of Marty Kelley, who lives in Boise, Idaho. He acquired his nym from a fan of Silver-Age comics after being differently punctual to too many meetings. He is not a medical doctor, although he has a real PhD (in Rhetoric and Composition).

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      1. Negropolis

        Look, dude, I looked at them, but I like totally looked at them too closely. Dude, there are so many lines. Like, so. many. L I N E S. You know? I, like, was so afraid that I would fall between them.

        Dude, you, like, have to promise me you'll be careful, okay?

  1. Incitefully_Joe

    I must have missed the part where Libruls want to defund the NSF, or are we supposed to have this whole conversation without mentioning ideological differences like "views on whether basic science is a thing worth doing"?

    1. bibliotequetress

      Andrew Wakefield: Scientist for people who oppose abortion but don't mind if children suffer and die so he can make a buck. Perfect.

  2. memzilla

    Any rational examination of teh hippies' scientific approach to applied Mendelian theory, hydroponic gardening, and vaporizer design will amply refute your claim that the left is anti-science, Mr. Berezow.

    Also: blow me.

    1. bikerlaureate

      Chemicals bad.
      Yes, this is the strongly held view of drug-using hippies.

      Dr. Berezow is an informative, openminded chap.

    2. Barrelhse

      That and a 1000W HPS will get you a cup of coffee, "Dr." "Berezow".

      (And good luck with that blowjob, Memzilla.)

    3. Charlie_Foxtrot

      Still, I won't sample any of your home-made beer until you try it first and don't go blind.

      Get it? Still?

  3. Generation[redacted]

    The hippies are so opposed to the miracle of modern scientific vivisection that they drove Doctor Moreau into exile. Now who's going to build me a pet pushmi pullyu? Thanks a lot, hippies!

    1. Beowoof

      And yet the "scientist" said bacteria could evolve from antibiotic over use. I am surprised that they would still let him be a member of the he man woman haters club and creationist society.

  4. JustPixelz

    One survey showed that only 6% of US scientists are Republicans

    First, that sounds suspiciously like a "statistic" which makes me suspicious.

    Second, obviously about 5% of respondents were joking.

    1. WhatTheHeck

      Of that 6% of US scientists who are Republicans, how many of them were abducted by aliens?

      I’m conducting a scientific survey.

    2. Dudleydidwrong

      Yeah, and I'm betting that 95% of that 6% (ya following me here?) are on the faculties of Liberty U, Bob Jones U, and the other creationist skules that keep science departments around to make things look good.

      1. Biel_ze_Bubba

        Smart, educated, rational and logical people become scientists. The wingnuts, unsurprisingly, go out of their way to to ignore the embarassing truth that such people are extremely unlikely to be religious, conservative teabaggish types.

        1. OneDollarJuana

          Smart, educated, rational and logical people also tend to become more agnostic and atheistic the farther they get from childhood indoctrination.

  5. ChernobylSoup

    When he implies that liberals are anti-chemical, does he mean chemicals that catch rivers on fire or chemicals that make rivers catch fire in your head? I'm partial to the second kind.

    1. Biel_ze_Bubba


      I have a bottle of vitamins that, according to the label, is "chemical-free". I'm saving it for analysis, someday in the distant future, when science can spot those elusive non-chemical components.

      1. BarryOPotter

        Think those vitamins will fit into one of the LHC experiments? FedEx a few to CERN with a note to smash some of them together and see what new fields are suggested. Hell, you might have the key to gravitons on your kitchen counter this very moment and yet you deny (some of) mankind the progress it so richly deserves. You're such a little devil…

  6. LibertyLover

    "Let us “examine” the “evidence” and “form” a “conclusion”!"

    Them's scientific-y type fightin' words.

    1. ChapterUndVerse

      True, but in the wings is a former science teacher turned waitress with the ever-popular and pacifistic "Null Hypothesis." She wants to know if you'd like fries with that.

  7. Monsieur_Grumpe

    I'm an electrical engineer who watches Dr Who, reads science books for fun, lectures everyone about how great the metric system is, I record Nova programs and I calculate the ABV (alcohol by volume) and IBUs (International Bittering Units) in the beer I brew. When the robots attack you will want to be my friend. Yes, I am a science nerd. And oh yes, I am a Libtard. I hug trees and recycle everything and my cats come from the Humane Society. Dear Dr. Alex Berezow, Fuck you.

        1. Doktor Zoom

          Well, there's the Bosse or the Dalfred ($39.99), or if you don't mind getting spendy, the Ingolf ($59.99) or even the Henriksdal ($119.99).

          1. ThundercatHo

            I'm sitting on an IKEA chair in front of an IKEA desk surrounded by IKEA bookcases and filing cabinets. My kitchen is IKEA as is at least 50% of our furnishings. Some people may call us cheap but we really do like the stuff.

      1. LibertyLover

        Might want to stay away from Monsieur Grumpe in the case of a Zombie Mitt attack… Zombie Mitt is gonna go straight for Monsieur Grumpe's brains.

    1. emmelemm

      I was with you, except for the metric system thing…. I feel I have no choice but to say, "Shut the fuck up, hippie!"

      1. An_Outhouse

        the metric system is post-colonial. fuck the imperialists and their imperial system. excuse me while i go occupy a tree.

          1. SayItWithWookies

            It's not well known, but Francis Fukuyama was going to write his first book about the end of the metric system — until he thought the end of history might be a catchier concept. True story.

      2. weejee

        But emmelemm, metric is as easy as 3.14159 26535 89793 23846 26433 83279 50288 41971 69399 37510 58209 74944 59230 78164 06286 20899 86280 34825 34211 70679 …

          1. glasspusher

            Nice. Sad that most folks don't know that the metric system is way easier than English measures, freeing our minds for the tough stuff!

          2. weejee

            You can always use them. Our house was built in 1901, an olde dwelling here in Seattle that too was built using the Imperial system. Problem is the sticks are full-dimensional, the 2×4s really are two inches by four inches, so when putting fire blocks into the outer walls have to use 2×6s and rip them.

          3. AlterNewt

            We've been doing this so long that we have a pretty good stock of full dimension lumber at the shop. It's like gold.

    2. memzilla

      My sole beef with the metric system is beer.

      "‘I likes a pint,’ persisted the old man. ‘You could ’a drawed me off a pint easy enough. We didn’t ’ave these bleeding litres when I was a young man'…. grumbled the old man as he settled down behind a glass. ‘A ’alf litre ain’t enough. It don’t satisfy. And a ’ole litre’s too much. It starts my bladder running. Let alone the price.’"

      1. savethispatient

        The irony being that the old man in your quote is talking about UK pints (568ml) not US pints (487ml). So the old man is right, that 68ml is important, but not as important as that 81ml.

    3. ManchuCandidate

      Injinears RULE!*

      * we don't, but we represent the profession at wonk. Need moar leftie injinears to offset the Paultardness and Teabaggers that make up a large part of the profession.

      1. Monsieur_Grumpe

        Yeah, I know, we don't. I make it point not to talk politics at work. It never ends well. Never. At Wonk, I rip my clothes off and wave my naughty bits in the breeze.

        1. Doktor Zoom

          Also, too, a surprisingly high number of the "scientists who support intelligent design" are, of course, engineers of one sort or another.

          1. BloviateMe

            Engineers are to be avoided…they neither believe the glass to be half full, nor half empty. They belive the glass to be unnecessarily large for the application at hand.

          2. ManchuCandidate

            Because many Injinears
            1) would like to think that we are designed rather than the obvious accidental byproduct of billions of years of Earf evolution
            2) are aspergers people whose wisdom/skills/intelligence is only limited to their field of study so any views outside it should be seriously questioned
            3) tend to be more religious than other science people (throw in the literal-ness of their minds which makes them a touch more fundamental)–don't ask me about my former manager who wanted to save my soul… sigh.

          3. ThundercatHo

            We have at least 3 engineers in our extended family who are very precise but pleasant fellows. They are also very churchy and I've always wondered why since there is no empirical evidence to support their beliefs.

          4. BarryOPotter

            Maybe being around the religious amuses them, serves as "…an escape from the weariness of agnosticism" that can sometimes get a bit thick living in a culture dominated by impious religiosity demanding outward displays of conformity.

            Or they're just trying to get a little somethin' somethin' from those freaky Catholic girls…

    4. UnholyMoses

      As someone who sucks at math, but can count to ten, I loves me some metric system.

      I remember when in about fifth grade (1980) they tried teaching us all about it, with videos and workbooks and whatnot. And the whole time, we wondered, "WTF? This ain't ever going to be used in this country. I want recess, dammit!"

      Looking back, we were correct, but not because of recess.

      It's because the metric system makes entirely too much fucking sense. And we can't have that here in the USofA, can we?

  8. JustPixelz

    According to Repubican scientists, Jesus rode a dinosaur. Climate change is a hoax because the Bible says the Earth is under God's protection. And tax cuts create jobs.

    1. ChapterUndVerse

      I see what you did there, but I agree with you, because Republican scientists are close to assholes.

  9. SmutBoffin

    Of course people's personal feelings and politics affect how they perceive and do science! Except for me, of course.

    Oh, and be sure to read my forthcoming publication "SmutB is totally the best EVER and deserves a raise".


  10. LibertyLover

    To be fair, scientists being paid by the oil companies and/or other corporations know whose nucleus their electrons orbit, and so tend to fit the science to the politics.

      1. bikerlaureate

        Oh, well then.
        Otherwise his book certainly doesn't sound like it has all the objectivity of a tenth-grade debate rookie.
        Carry on.

  11. Doktor Zoom

    Ack! I initally mipselled PZ Myers' last name! It's fixed! Don't send the Pharyngulite legions of doom after me!

    1. bibliotequetress

      Sweetiepie, you do realize you also misspelled "misspelled," don't you?

      "When you need this type of professional assistance, just call on your neighborhood paralibrarian with a fine arts degree. We're here to help the scientifically inclined."

      1. Doktor Zoom

        Not at all. Mipselling is a time-honored tradition of alt.folklore.urban. It's how you can tell your FOAFs from your cow-orkers.

  12. smitallica

    Yes, when I meet a person who knows nothing about science, or the world and how it works, or evolution, and instead espouses some ancient creation myth, storybook sentimentality, black-and-white morality, and a non-factual view of the geopolitical landscape and our place in it, I automatically think, "I bet this person is really liberal."

  13. Woodshedding

    It's 100% RealClear that this man IS much smarter than his democratic colleagues, who don't even have enough sense to write one book for which Big Industry will pay enough for them to retire in style. Duh, dummies. In fact, it's likely he didn't even have to do the writing.

    1. BaldarTFlagass

      Has someone come up with one of those "Science for Dummies" books yet? If so, I know who has been reading it.

  14. LibertyLover

    After clearing my Chakras, and untwisting from a side triangle pose, my Karmic third eye sees that Doctor Zoom has once again given us a mantra to meditate to.

  15. MissTaken

    I'm liberal and find My Little Pony more factually accurate than Scientology so I guess Dr. Berezow is right?

  16. barto

    Hmmm, CH4 + O2 -> H2O + CO2 . That's a problem, not a solution. Science has a liberal bias, there's no doubt about it.

  17. Incitefully_Joe

    Also, teachers’ unions — which are allied with the Democratic Party — refuse to accept any reasonable reforms in education (such as merit-based pay and charter schools).

    A public health official once noted that the anti-vaccine movement seems strongest in places that have Whole Foods.

    I might not be a "scientist" per se, but I studied natural and social sciences undergrad, and one thing that was drilled into me back in college was that someone who cites unsourced "gut impressions" and "reasonable common sense" as evidence in support of their thesis, is a charlatan

    1. BaldarTFlagass

      Man, I thought charlatans kinda went out of style. Upon reflection, though, there's a lot of them out there, you just don't hear that term much. Maybe they just go by a new name these days.

    2. emmelemm

      Does it get any more passive-voiced weak sauce than "A public health official once noted…"?

      No, no it does not.

      1. Gleem McShineys

        One time at public health official camp, I stuck an unsourced quote in my "pussy"*

        *Dr. Alex Berezow

          1. bobbert

            "Has stirred up quite the farrago…"

            Edit: hmm, just realized I don't know how he pronounces his name. I was going with "Maddow", but I suppose it could be "mad cow", in which case MOOO.

  18. Texan_Bulldog

    Actually around here it's not the lefties not getting their kids vaccinated. It's the homescholing right wingers who don't think their kids need them because of God and because of that stupid chick Jenny McCarthy.

    1. bibliotequetress

      Yep. Wasn't a whooping cough outbreak linked to a religious group in the midwest refusing to vaccinate their kids a few years ago?

  19. C_R_Eature

    Billy Berezo was a chemist's son Wingnut's Tool, but now he is no more. What he thought was H2O was H2SO4.

  20. BaldarTFlagass

    "There are very few conservative scientists."

    You know what else? There are very few stupid scientists, too. This is not a coincidence.

    1. Chichikovovich

      Somehow the Republican party hasn't attracted scientists to it's agenda of evolution-denying, demonstrably false claims about abortion effect, fetal pain etc. mandating, climate-science denying, scientist harassing, Drosophila research mocking, Brain-dead patient demagoguing, Laffer-curve worshiping, anti-intellectualism.

      Apparently scientists prefer to believe the empirical evidence instead of the dictates of ideology.

      But all that's going to change once Paul Ryan is unleashed. Scientists will love that guy! Did you know he has a powerpoint presentation? With four slides!

      1. weejee

        Thought that the Repugs' usual PPT was with at least 75 slides? You know, "Death by PowerPoint" – an even more horrible exit from the mortal coil than death by a thousand cuts.

      2. BadKitty904

        "Somehow the Republican party hasn't attracted scientists to it's agenda"

        Inquisitors and witch-hunters, however…

      3. billy_reuben

        Not to mention their position on stem cell research, their new found libertarian streak for defunding things like national labs, public education, and any agency responsible for studying public safety or natural resources. Clearly, the scientific community, not the GOP, is fraught with dangerous, hidebound ideologues.

  21. ChiRon8

    A few serious books have been written about the left's (particularly the postmodern academic left's) anti-science bias. (See the books "Fashionable Nonsense" and "Higher Superstition".) It's hard being a multicultural relativist and consistently pro-science.

    That being said, at half-time, the score stands at Left Loons 14, Right Loons 134,786.

    1. Incitefully_Joe

      It's hard being a multicultural relativist and consistently pro-science.

      To be fair, though, that multicultural relativism is also a source of some valuable meta-critiques within science, which is often sorely needed, especially in the mushier social sciences (like The Psychology of 20-Something Upper-Middle-Class White People- or Psychology, for short)

      On the other hand, some of that stuff's also been glommed on by the Church of Scientology, for somewhat less highminded reasons.

      Point being, I'm as skeptical of theorywank as the next person, but that stuff still does have somewhat of a place, insofar as it keeps the rest of the scientific community honest.

  22. Incitefully_Joe

    There are very few conservative scientists. One survey showed that only 6% of US scientists are Republicans, while 55% are Democrats. In the social sciences, the ratio can be as lopsided as 30 Democrats for every 1 Republican. Obviously, a discipline that is so ideologically skewed in one direction is going to produce research that reflects that internal bias…

    Another thing I learned from an undergrad science education was not to reverse causal relationships.

      1. C_R_Eature

        I've love to take credit for that , but I saw a photo of a guy holding that sign at Jon Stewart's Sanity Rally in 2010.
        I fell in love with it instantaneously.

  23. Lionel[redacted]Esq

    So, Michele Bachmann is a Socialist Hippy. Should I assume she is a secret Muslim too? That Marcus likes women?

    I am so confused. The next thing you will tell me that Mitt Romney was in favor of universal healthcare or gay rights when he was trying to win an election in a liberal state.

    1. BarryOPotter

      The next thing you will tell me that Mitt Romney was in favor of universal healthcare or gay rights when he was trying to win an election in a liberal state.

      Wait, are you trying to suggest that in the past, Romney, a goddamned Robot, used some form of evidence to form an election platform? Well, if it's the same unit, someone has clearly voided that warranty.

  24. littlebigdaddy

    The fact that 6% of scientists are Republican says a hell of a lot more about Republicans than about scientists.

    1. kittensdontlie

      A discipline that is so ideologically skewed in one direction is going to produce research that reflects that internal bias…, and that bias, would be towards the proven truth.

  25. C_R_Eature

    Dok, there's such an avalanche of Right Wing Nonsense literature these days that you're gonna need your own blog!

      1. C_R_Eature

        Well, I can certainly pretend you've taken over if I can pretend I'm a Human…er….Cephalopod. …heh heh …

  26. BigSkullF*ckingDog

    Global warming is not even a problem. We can just balance it out with some nuclear winter. BAM! What other global problems can I solve for you today?

  27. Antispandex

    "There are very few conservative scientists. One survey showed that only 6% of US scientists are Republicans, while 55% are Democrats."

    You know, there is some low hanging fruit there about whether or not Republicans are intelligent, or hard working, enough to make it in scientific fields of stydy, but I will not pick it.

  28. Lionel[redacted]Esq

    When are we going to get an article, book, etc. complaining about the fact that a majority of cops and CEOs are Republicans, and that taints their view of the world? We clearly need to ignore anything they say due to their political biases.

    1. C_R_Eature

      Hey! now that's a Toad!

      Allz we have is Bufo americanus out here. But they eat the bugs, so it's all good.

          1. C_R_Eature

            Those Toads are after your food? Environmentalists are to blame!


            To be honest, Cricket-ka-bob ain't that bad.

          2. Blueb4sinrise

            I once had a sort of melange with insects, that's about as far as prepared stuff as I've gotten. I am prepared for more should the need arise. We got some huge fucking grasshoppers too.

          3. C_R_Eature

            Chocolate Covered Grasshoppers
            2 Squares of semisweet chocolate
            25 dry-roasted crickets and/or grasshoppers with legs and wings removed.

            Melt chocolate as directed on the box. Dip insects in chocolate place on wax paper and refrigerate.

            Send Chocolate? Send me Grasshoppers first!

          4. Blueb4sinrise

            Not this year. Lost touch with my rural contacts. There were years out in Real America when walking through a field was an actual physical hazard …. a couple thousand of those big green monsters would come up. Come to think of it, paved roads were also a hazard. People going into skids on the grasshoppers.

  29. tracyhasfun

    In my family vernacular, Dr. Alex has earned the title "dong-schwaggler." It's fun to say! Try it! (the "a" has the "ah" sound fyi lol).

  30. Gleem McShineys

    Did he even go for the easy (and easily provable) low-hanging fruit of hippie anti-science: genetically modified Frankenfoods?

    Fuck dude, if there's an oversight that big, you might as well also show how Wal-Mart causes diabetes, obviously.

  31. poorgradstudent

    Alright, so we libtards got most of the physical and social sciences, but you conservatives got Economics!

    …Okay, I can see why you might be upset.

  32. CommieDad

    Ok, so all the pro-measles, pro-whooping-cough and pro-worm-infested-fruit folks I know are from North Idaho. So they must be Republicans. So, based on this scientific analysis, I say Mr. Berezow is full of it.

  33. mavenmaven

    He needed to write this book because the Republicans have decimated the NIH and he's probably having a hard time getting grant funding for actual science.

  34. ManchuCandidate

    There is a big difference here. As an educated science type person who leans left, I don't listen to ignorant (maybe leftie) dipshits like Jenny McCarthy or the ultra sensitive folks at PETA. I know science is not always right and it's not always wise. I know mistakes happen, but I don't go shrieking about how its evil and demand changes in textbooks to suit whatever I'm fucking believing (not knowing) it is.

    I leave that for the right wing assholes.

  35. AznMom420

    Vaccines have struck politicians so autistic that Michelle Bachman thought she was a rethuglican when she really was a vaccine hating liebrul the entire time.

    1. Doktor Zoom

      Gallileo later explained that he just thought that the Inquisition's laxative was far more efficacious than they'd led him to expect.

  36. C_R_Eature

    Hi there all of you lurking Breitbart Avatar longtime non-commenters who've been visiting me lately!

    We're funnier than you, smarter than you, better informed than you and – right now – we're winning.

    Have a nice White-Knuckle Fall Election season. I'm looking forward to reading the sage commentary at the Big Government site on November 3rd.

    1. BigSkullF*ckingDog

      Our comments must be very confusing for people with absolutely no sense of humor or irony, or much intelligence to start with. Sometimes I almost feel sorry for them, then I remember how much damage they have done to the country in the last ten years or so and get over it.

    2. Blueb4sinrise

      Ya know, a couple people here have mentioned them, and they've visited my 'stream' too. I just figured that if they're bothering with me they have to be COMPLETE losers.

    3. Chichikovovich

      I'm pretty sure they're all just one pathetic guy under a bunch of different avatars. The avatars all have mostly the same print style and all have the same idiot sensibility. How pathetic is that, to visit dozens of Wonkette commentators under different aliases just to fill up their "recent visitors" tabs?

      Some pitiful people in this world of ours.

      1. C_R_Eature

        That sounds right. Notice, too, that he comments listed under all the avatars are all lite 9 to 24 weeks ago. The Bog Goovernment site uses a wholly different comment system, so I'm assuming these avatars are left active just to keep an eye on us.
        Trolling for the next unfortunate comment to work up into a full-blown Breit-dingnadian OUTRAGE, no doubt.

          1. C_R_Eature

            Usually I just ignore him/them, but there's been such a dramatic spike in activity recently I just felt like a needling was in order. Too bad they don't comment anymore, they were fun. Sort of.

          2. C_R_Eature

            Good point. What was I thinking? I have great fun skewering them, but the last thing we need is an avalanche of Angry Boobs. Not the fun kind, either.

  37. rocktonsam

    "Who needs books and their words when you can have flat screen televisions in every room of your house!"

    -$arah Palin

  38. iburl

    There are very few conservative scientists. One survey showed that only 6% of US scientists are Republicans, while 55% are Democrats. In the social sciences, the ratio can be as lopsided as 30 Democrats for every 1 Republican. Obviously, a discipline that is so ideologically skewed in one direction requires intelligence and/or compassion is going to produce research that reflects that internal bias is actual scholarship…


  39. SayItWithWookies

    Ideology stops where facts begin. The flawed view of science always starts when ideology attempts to impinge on facts. And yes, the left has people who believe in the effects of aromatherapy or the blood-type diet and other such nonsense. But unlike the crazies on the right, they're not building their political philosophy around those manies, and they're not trying to pass laws that say everybody has to believe what they believe, or arguing that the orginial interpretation of the Constitution depends on their little hobbyhorse, whatever it happens to be.

    So — equivalency = false.

  40. ImpureScience

    "There are very few conservative scientists."

    I propose an affirmative action program to attract more people with an inability to entertain more than one idea in their heads at once combined with a slavish devotion to authority. That ought to do it.

  41. Terry

    "There are very few conservative scientists. One survey showed that only 6% of US scientists are Republicans, while 55% are Democrats."

    The remaining 39% of scientists had doubts as to the purpose of the polling questions and hung up on the pollster.

          1. BadKitty904

            While it's octopi-ing my mind, I see that Cephalopod Awareness Days are next month (Oct. 8-12). Party down – I'm sure, after all, you're no new squid on the block.

            Time for this kitty to curl up next to his Big Cat and purr…

  42. Guppy

    One survey showed that only 6% of US scientists are Republicans, while 55% are Democrats.

    Pure science doesn't pay, either at the individual or the corporate level. Someone doing pure, hardcore research is paid in government cheese.

    Any conservatives who are that good at math write trading algorithms and crash financial markets instead.

  43. RALitherland

    Having forced my lazy fingers to go to the Moonie article, I conclude that you may be too generous in conceding that Dr. Berezow is "an actual scientist". Yes, he has a PhD in microbiology; Duane Gish has one in biochemistry. Berezow said

    I'm a "big picture" person, so the narrow focus of research, combined with its low success rate, did not fit my personality. I decided to change careers, and I became the founding editor of RealClearScience in October 2010.

    My translation: "My run-of-the-mill thesis didn't get me a tenure-track job."

    1. bobbert

      It appears that he is an "actual Ph.D.", who joined RealClearScience (yes, it is a subsidiary of RealClearPolitics) pretty much immediately after getting said PhD in 2010(?).

      So, not actually a "working scientist".

      Also, unless he borrowed $200K from his parents, his student debt must be enormous — he was in college/grad school for ten years.

      Edit: Amazing that he could write a whole book, on a subject having nothing to do with his academic specialization, so quickly.

      1. billy_reuben

        Amazing…. unless his book might be a lot of dubious, woolly-headed partisan shite. Then, it's not too difficult at all.

  44. Negropolis

    Hey, I'm a liberal, and so long as we are not trapped within a rogue solar flare shearing off our atmosphere and fried to death in hellfire during my earthly tenure, I'll be a happy man.


    …the anti-vaccine movement seems strongest in places that have Whole Foods…

    Don't know why, but it reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw near Childress, Texas:
    "I love Jesus, President Bush and Wal-Mart".

  46. mothman83

    Wonkette's new All Pony format you say? the Ol' wonkette is about ten months behind the internet times i see

    I look forward to the great Gagnam Style invasion of May 2013

  47. RufusTFirefly

    "There are very few conservative scientists. One survey showed that only 6% of US scientists are Republicans, while 55% are Democrats. In the social sciences, the ratio can be as lopsided as 30 Democrats for every 1 Republican. Obviously, a discipline that is so ideologically skewed in one direction is going to produce research that reflects that internal bias…"

    Perhaps this is because reality has a liberal bias.

  48. sullivanst

    Yeah, the right's rejection of global warming probably has quite a lot to do with the fact that externalized costs like pollution completely invalidate major assumptions underlying their economic and political theories (a clean environment is one of the purest examples of a non-excludeable good, a case where it's impossible for privatization to "solve" the tragedy of the commons), and therefore they must either refuse to acknowledge the mountain of evidence, or re-examine their entire political philosophy with a severely critical eye, and of course, they choose the former.

    1. bobbert

      It's kind of fun to mess around with economics that includes externalities, but ultimately you run up against the fact that we are not wired to realize that the commons are finite, because they've only become finite in the practical sense within the last couple hundred years.

      So, you get flattened by "common sense" — the distilled wisdom of what used to work.

  49. lulzmonger

    Get back to me when the Greens publically condemn the teaching of critical thinking skills in schools … or claim that the Theory Of Relativity is destroying civilization … or promise to slash grants & funding for basic research … or demand the teaching of Pagan creation myths alongside paleontology.

    PS: Anti-vaxxers aren't primarily Left OR Right – they're primarily dipshits.

  50. billy_reuben

    Why the fuck does this shithead assume leftists are the political movement for chemophobia? For fuck's sake, he cites the goddamn Pew study that most chemists identify as Democrats, and he still thinks we are the ones who are anti-chemistry? You'd think that in ten years of grad school (not a good sign), he'd brush up against enough of us to dispel that bullshit. Fuck this stupid hack.


    -a chemistry PhD who actually is employed in his field of study

  51. pdiddycornchips

    Mr. Berezow has done enough scientific research to know that wingnuts will pay you to write books and give speeches if you are willing to twist a few lefty nipples.

  52. Peckerwood_Pete

    Hey, there, fellow leftists! Hope you’re all having a great day eating organic arugula, liberating lab animals from a university research facility, and withholding your children from getting vaccinated!

    Don't forget flag burning, supporting Piss Christ, and hating God. There's plenty enough time in the day for it all!

  53. carlgt1

    So please trot out the pro-science Repug/conservative analog to pro-science liberal hippie pothead Carl Sagan —- James Inhofe?

  54. ElPinche

    Librals beLIEve that everything is made up of tiny circles and balls ("adams") !! Yet another way elitist educationalists to insert homosexuality into sceince. BTW Where's the photographical proof of "adams"? !1?

  55. PurgedVoter

    I have been looking at a source for the 'fact' that implies that 6% of scientists are entirely irrational and unscientific.

    Looking at it more clearly and using the sort of science that some microbiologists use when examining social issues, it becomes clear that 6% of scientists are mad scientists that want to take over and rule the world. Then again, some could be mistaken on the statement that they are scientists.

    As an example, Dr. Berezow said, "As much as I love science, I did not love research. A scientist can spend his entire life working on a single molecule, and when doing experiments, there are far more failures than successes. I'm a "big picture" person, so the narrow focus of research, combined with its low success rate, did not fit my personality. I decided to change careers, and I became the founding editor of RealClearScience in October 2010."

    I bet he would say he is a scientist, even though he is now just a pundit with a science background. Kind of like me, oh sorry, I do research every now and then and consider even negative results valuable.

  56. gurukalehuru

    Only 6% of American scientists are Republicans. And I bet they aren't the top 6%, either. They are probably, among scientists, what Ted Nugent is to music and Victoria Jackson is to comedy.

  57. me

    I guess I am a little baffled by the vitriol in the comments, as I DO see a lot of anti-science wackiness from fellow liberals. I'm an engineer/scientist and hardly a week goes by that I don't need to correct some point about vaccines ("it's the MMR! Oh, it's not? It's the thimerasol! Oh, it's not?" etc) or about organic foods or about nuclear power or about microwave ovens, etc (basically, many of the things mentioned in the article).

    I can write off wacky right-wing anti-science as being often a function of religion and therefore not worth debating (it's not like NEW information will change THAT stance) or just because "liberals are for it!" which is also a waste of debate energy.

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