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Rand Paul: Stealing From the Government Just Like Being a Jewish Family During the Holocaust

Well hi Rand Paul, what crazy things are you going on and on about today, on the teevee, where everyone can see you? Oh, nothing, just all the ways in which the American government’s repossession of stolen property is just like when Nazis stole paintings from Jewish families, that’s all, no big deal. Let us listen closely while Rand Paul, expert in all things Constitutional, highlights the similarities between repossessing stolen property and stealing from Jewish families during the Holocaust.

HANNITY: Did you hear about the case today? It was a couple and they found these gold double eagle coins from 1939, I think, is the year. And they’re worth like $80 million. Now a court case it was in, because they had, I guess, confiscated them or asked people to turn them in . . . but [the government] had the ten coins or whatever it was. And they said “no, we’re taking them, and you don’t get a penny.”

PAUL: It’s sort of like the Nazis taking paintings from Jewish families during the war and saying you don’t get them back. Well they’re yours, they’re still yours even if you find it 60 years later.

An astute observation from Rand Paul, which can basically be summed up as FINDERS KEEPERS LOSERS WEEPERS. The small problem here is that this couple did not “find” double eagle coins worth $80 million dollars; they inherited the coins from a coin dealer who got them from guy that stole them from the U.S. Mint.


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    1. FlownOver

      To paraphrase Fred Allen: all the intelligence in that conversation would fit in a flea's navel and still leave room for eight caraway seeds and Mitt Romney's heart.

  1. BaldarTFlagass

    Maybe a nice compromise can be made: You give us the coins back, and we won't throw you in the slammer for owning stolen property.

  2. 4TheTurnstiles

    Hannity! That's your signature move, man. That's when you say: "WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?" Because this dipshit clearly hates the US and its institutions. And history. And decency.

    1. FakaktaSouth

      Well I hate both these guys, and Hannity hates truth and facts and reason, hence his lurve for all thangs Palin.

      1. Terry

        The unofficial name of the British Museum is "Stuff We Took". They don't really understand why the Greeks might be unhappy that they stripped the buildings of the Acropolis, including the Parthenon, of their sculptures. Then to top it off, call them the "Elgin Marbles" after the Brit who got the Turks permission to take all the Greeks' statues.

        It is a fabulous museum, though.

          1. Chichikovovich

            In his defence, I'll note that he was a much less crappy Governor-General of pre-independence Canada than most of the others.

        1. sullivanst

          It's far snootier than that. They perfectly understand why the Greeks might want them back, they just don't think the Greeks can be trusted to preserve their own antiquities. After all, they really let the Parthenon go to crap.

          Also, "you gave them to us, you can't have them back now (OK so it wasn't you, but it was someone at the time claiming the right to speak for you, maybe)"

  3. Allmighty_Manos

    The feds will take my collection of U.S. Senate furniture and PCs I pilfered from Rand Paul's office from my cold dead hands.

  4. Buzz Feedback

    The couple should've deposited the coins in the secret vault run by the 12 Jewish bankers in Switzerland.

      1. BaldarTFlagass

        As a philatelist, I heartily agree. And make sure you pronounce that phil-ah-telist, not phil-ay-telist. That second way makes it sound like there's some dick-sucking in the forecast.

    1. thatsitfortheother1

      Austrians spend their lives trying to convince people that Mozart was Austrian and Hitler was German.

        1. guangho

          A friend of mine said that after she got out of the camps and did the hospitals/sanitoriums bit for a while, she would up in Salzburg in 1968 with her brother. They were greeted, in German, with "oh look, they're back."

          Bill Bryson summed it up nicely. Austria is a nice place except for those fucking Austrians.

  5. nonbeliever7

    "…and Michelle's obesity reduction program is just like Auschwitz since they can't eat whatever they want."

  6. BaldarTFlagass

    Rand Paul is also feverishly searching the country for the warehouse shown at the end of the Raiders of the Lost Ark. Spielberg won't tell him where it is.

  7. Estproph

    Ya know what? It's sort of like the government went up to them and just shot them in the head! It's sort of like the government is shooting all of us in the head! Every day! WE'RE ALL DEAD! THE GOVERNMENT HAS KILLED EVERYONE ON EARTH!

        1. PinkoPopulist

          Do I actually have to board the truck and go some where? Or will the just off me on my front lawn? I'd prefer the latter.

  8. Limeylizzie

    Good Morning Wonketteers, Rebecca and I are in our jammies hanging out, thought you would like to know. We are going to go and eat at Amy-Ruth's on 116th Street and I recommend the "Al Sharpton" which is delicious and involves bacon and a waffle. We may provide pictures.

    1. Steverino247

      I believe the pictures should involve a breast showdown so the important questions of our day can be answered. Perhaps some nipple contact as well?

      And will any whipped cream be involved? No, I'm not talking about the waffles, but I'm sure that would be good, too.

      1. Limeylizzie

        No, that is Sylvia's on 125th, this is the home of every item on the menu named after famous black people in the hood, so we can order the Rev. Butts waffles or the Obama Turkey Sammich.

          1. James Michael Curley

            Whats the one with the deep fried turkey breast on corn bread with enough gravy to kill a Presbyterian. That's what I had.

      1. James Michael Curley

        Bottoms are fashionable now in NYC on a Sunday brunch or holiday. Theys called 'lounge pants' and look really stupid on any guy or gal with a body fat ration above 3%.

  9. deanbooth

    I know Paul is an idjit, but I'm not sure his comment is on the side of the coin finders — just as the paintings need to be returned, so do the coins.

    P.s. maybe I should watch the video.

    1. MacRaith

      Obama! It was all Obama! He stole the art, killed the Jews, and dropped bombs on London, because he did everything evil, ever!

      …Um, sorry, too much exposure to Hannity can do that to you. I feel much better now.

  10. Negropolis

    Rand heard 1939, and his Nazi-sense was piqued. Hannity, bless his stupid, little heart, didn't realize the lob he threw Randall. BTW, everyone knows that Rand and his daddy are crazy and anti-semitic enough to know that he absolutely sees virtue in the example he gave.

    1. shelwood46

      Are we sure Hannity didn't realize? After all, the year the coins were stolen was really 1933, not 1939 (and they're worth $7 million, not $80 million).

      1. Negropolis

        It's always been my view that Hannity is dumb as a box of rocks, and not even crazy like a FOX. But, I could be wrong.

    1. no_gravity

      You're asking this to a main that wears a dead squirrel on his head so you need to start there and work your way back.

  11. Goonemeritus

    So our government has so lost its way that now it refuses to let people profit from stealing, no wonder Wall Street doesn’t support these radicals!

  12. Terry

    I wonder what Rand Paul's reaction would be if someone stole some of Ron Paul's beloved gold hoard, then a few decades later the gold was discovered in the possession of the thief's offspring. Would Rand feel that Daddy's gold should be returned to his family or would that be an issue of finders-keepers, too?

      1. HistoriCat

        They're taking all our tried and true memes! If someone starts talking about hookworms or trucknutz I'm going to start suspecting someone here is a double agent.

  13. PinkoPopulist

    Yes the Nazis taking paintings from Jews which said Jews had a legitimate ownership interest in is exactly like the United States repossessing coins that the current possessors never had a legitimate ownership interest in. I'm pretty sure I learned that in law school.

  14. JackDempsey1

    I think what Rand is getting at is: if you hold onto something long enough, it's yours.
    It didn't quite work out right in Poland, though.

  15. gullywompr

    I know exactly what he means. A government official once took a bag of weed from me and didn't give me a dime either. Fucking Nazis…

  16. larrykat

    Rand Paul is an expert on the Constitution like Paul Ryan is an expert in economics. In either case the outcome is bad for old ladies and children.

  17. actor212

    In fairness to Paul, Hannity kinda sandbagged him here.

    The appropriate response, however, would have been "I'm not familiar with the case, Sean" and leave Hannity dangling like a cling-on as he tried to bluster Paul into an answer.

  18. DonnyKerabotsos

    " It’s sort of like the Nazis taking paintings from Jewish families during the war and saying you don’t get them back." Paul seems to think that the Jews biggest worry during the Holocaust was whether or not they were gonna get their stuff back.

    " Well they’re yours, they’re still yours even if you find it 60 years later." Right. They belonged to the government, They were stolen from the government. They still belong to the government.

    Does this guy even listen to himself talk?

  19. Yellerdawg

    I drove to work today in my economy car, JUST LIKE THE VOLKSWAGENS THE NAZIS BUILT!
    I got to work on time, JUST LIKE AN EFFICIENT NAZI!
    I'm wearing trousers and a button-down shirt, JUST LIKE ALMOST SIMILAR TO HOW THE SS WORE A UNIFORM!

    Oh my…we're all Nazis.

  20. anniegetyerfun

    I'm not sure I could have come up with a much better response to Hannity, since I've read that paragraph a few times and have no fucking idea what he was saying. Maybe the best response to anything he says is "That's just like the Nazis!"

  21. docterry6973

    So if Granddaddy von Stroheim, the SS officer, stole a painting from a Jewish family and I had it, I shouldn't have to give it back even though it was stolen. Not that Grandaddy would have done that; he was one of the good SS officers.

    Rand may be on to something here. If you possess stolen property like valuable coins you should be allowed to keep them because the Nazis. The man is a genius.

    1. sullivanst

      Yeah, my immediate thought when I read this yesterday was to think of the cases involving families of victims of the Holocaust recovering plundered artwork – cases that are still ongoing.

  22. Hera Sent Me

    I've been a coin collector since I was five. The coins in question, 1933 double eagles, are famous among collectors. Courts have long determined that any 1933 double eagle is stolen property (except one King Farouk of Egypt managed to obtain an export license for), as none were lawfully released before Depression-era legislation banned the issuance of gold coins into circulation. The dealer knew this, his family did not. So when they asked experts to assess the coins' value, they reported the situation to the authorities.

    In America, "stolen property never loses the quality of being stolen", so it can never pass cleanly without the original owner, in the case the US government, being able to assert a claim.

    Somebody should tell Native Americans.

  23. James Michael Curley

    I don't follow anything in the coin world but isn't this the catch of coins where prior to their discovery only a handful were known to exist?

  24. JDBishop5

    As there is not one square inch of territory under the American flag that was not stolen from its occupants at the point of a gun, or bought from someone who had already stolen it, should we expect to return the United Stats to its rightful owners? Seems like justice. One never obtains title to stolen property.

  25. Schmegeg

    The coins went missing from the US Mint in the 1930s and turned up now in this guys safe deposit box. These people owned exactly zero and were lucky they didn't get fined.

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