CRAZY OLD MEN  9:05 am September 13, 2012

Rand Paul: Stealing From the Government Just Like Being a Jewish Family During the Holocaust

by Kris E. Benson

Well hi Rand Paul, what crazy things are you going on and on about today, on the teevee, where everyone can see you? Oh, nothing, just all the ways in which the American government’s repossession of stolen property is just like when Nazis stole paintings from Jewish families, that’s all, no big deal. Let us listen closely while Rand Paul, expert in all things Constitutional, highlights the similarities between repossessing stolen property and stealing from Jewish families during the Holocaust.

HANNITY: Did you hear about the case today? It was a couple and they found these gold double eagle coins from 1939, I think, is the year. And they’re worth like $80 million. Now a court case it was in, because they had, I guess, confiscated them or asked people to turn them in . . . but [the government] had the ten coins or whatever it was. And they said “no, we’re taking them, and you don’t get a penny.”

PAUL: It’s sort of like the Nazis taking paintings from Jewish families during the war and saying you don’t get them back. Well they’re yours, they’re still yours even if you find it 60 years later.

An astute observation from Rand Paul, which can basically be summed up as FINDERS KEEPERS LOSERS WEEPERS. The small problem here is that this couple did not “find” double eagle coins worth $80 million dollars; they inherited the coins from a coin dealer who got them from guy that stole them from the U.S. Mint.

[ThinkProgress]

 

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{ 166 comments }

FNMA September 13, 2012 at 9:08 am

Jesus, what's that thing talking to Rand Paul? It appears to be vaguely human…

el_donaldo September 13, 2012 at 9:14 am

Yes, but without the intelligence? Hmm…. Golem?

starfanglednut September 13, 2012 at 9:48 am

Gollum?

el_donaldo September 13, 2012 at 11:09 am

Some needs to dub Hannity hissing "Precious."

FlownOver September 13, 2012 at 9:21 am

To paraphrase Fred Allen: all the intelligence in that conversation would fit in a flea's navel and still leave room for eight caraway seeds and Mitt Romney's heart.

wolvenwood13 September 15, 2012 at 3:42 pm

You forgot to add the collective IQ of the Republican party, also, too.

elviouslyqueer September 13, 2012 at 9:28 am

Poop-slinging siamang libel!

actor212 September 13, 2012 at 9:42 am

Sean, of the Dread

DerrickWildcat September 13, 2012 at 9:12 am

Sean Hannity is the official Lie Detector tester.

el_donaldo September 13, 2012 at 9:12 am

Point of fact, I think Passover used to be referred to as the Feast of Stolen Office Supplies.

thatsitfortheother1 September 13, 2012 at 9:15 am

The Feast of my Annual Appraisal and Raise.

actor212 September 13, 2012 at 9:42 am

Ah, so you get passed over?

thatsitfortheother1 September 13, 2012 at 9:52 am

Marginally better than pissed over, yes.

bobhiggins September 14, 2012 at 6:53 am

I celebrate my stapler collection annually.

BaldarTFlagass September 13, 2012 at 9:13 am

Maybe a nice compromise can be made: You give us the coins back, and we won't throw you in the slammer for owning stolen property.

thatsitfortheother1 September 13, 2012 at 9:21 am

Baldar T N.A.Z.I!

4TheTurnstiles September 13, 2012 at 9:14 am

Hannity! That's your signature move, man. That's when you say: "WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?" Because this dipshit clearly hates the US and its institutions. And history. And decency.

FakaktaSouth September 13, 2012 at 9:49 am

Well I hate both these guys, and Hannity hates truth and facts and reason, hence his lurve for all thangs Palin.

James Michael Curley September 13, 2012 at 10:34 am

I am glad we have never been exposed to Palin's thang.

UW8316154 September 13, 2012 at 9:14 am

I guess this means we don't have to worry about returning all those stolen antiquities anymore.

BaldarTFlagass September 13, 2012 at 9:16 am

*sigh of relief*

—British Museum
London, England

Terry September 13, 2012 at 9:30 am

The unofficial name of the British Museum is "Stuff We Took". They don't really understand why the Greeks might be unhappy that they stripped the buildings of the Acropolis, including the Parthenon, of their sculptures. Then to top it off, call them the "Elgin Marbles" after the Brit who got the Turks permission to take all the Greeks' statues.

It is a fabulous museum, though.

BaldarTFlagass September 13, 2012 at 9:38 am

I guess there's something in the DNA, the 8th Lord Elgin (son of the 7th, he of the Marbles fame), as High Commissioner of China, ordered the destruction of the Old Summer Palace in Beijing following the conclusion of the Second Opium War in 1860.

Chet Kincaid_ September 13, 2012 at 9:42 am

That happened in the Clone War comic though, so it's not Canon.

Biff September 13, 2012 at 10:25 am

At least opium is worth going to war over.

Chichikovovich September 13, 2012 at 10:46 am

In his defence, I'll note that he was a much less crappy Governor-General of pre-independence Canada than most of the others.

sullivanst September 13, 2012 at 10:46 am

It's far snootier than that. They perfectly understand why the Greeks might want them back, they just don't think the Greeks can be trusted to preserve their own antiquities. After all, they really let the Parthenon go to crap.

Also, "you gave them to us, you can't have them back now (OK so it wasn't you, but it was someone at the time claiming the right to speak for you, maybe)"

Barrelhse September 13, 2012 at 9:32 am

It's just a couple of marbles, after all.

BaldarTFlagass September 13, 2012 at 9:48 am

No, it's all the marbles, baby!

OzoneTom September 13, 2012 at 11:23 am

"…stones of no great value." if I recall correctly.

Allmighty_Manos September 13, 2012 at 9:15 am

The feds will take my collection of U.S. Senate furniture and PCs I pilfered from Rand Paul's office from my cold dead hands.

Buzz Feedback September 13, 2012 at 9:17 am

The couple should've deposited the coins in the secret vault run by the 12 Jewish bankers in Switzerland.

BaldarTFlagass September 13, 2012 at 9:18 am

They could have had Romney do it for them while he was visiting his accounts.

James Michael Curley September 13, 2012 at 10:39 am

Or Gringotts Wizarding Bank, Fortius Quo Fidelius

BaldarTFlagass September 13, 2012 at 9:17 am

Numismatists are people too, my friend.

Negropolis September 13, 2012 at 9:26 am

Very, very strange people, though.

BaldarTFlagass September 13, 2012 at 9:31 am

As a philatelist, I heartily agree. And make sure you pronounce that phil-ah-telist, not phil-ay-telist. That second way makes it sound like there's some dick-sucking in the forecast.

thatsitfortheother1 September 13, 2012 at 9:35 am

To be fair, aren't your lips already kinda stuck together from the stamps?

Chet Kincaid_ September 13, 2012 at 9:45 am

Morning weather viewership would go up, way up, with that kind of prognostication.

eggsacklywright September 13, 2012 at 9:52 am

A chick phil-ay-telist? Likkin' good.

actor212 September 13, 2012 at 9:44 am

I dated one of those once, but I got tired of being hypnotized and forced to cluck like a chicken.

Guppy September 13, 2012 at 9:45 am

YKINMK

johnnyzhivago September 13, 2012 at 9:18 am

Every argument eventually comes back to Hitler.

thatsitfortheother1 September 13, 2012 at 9:23 am

Austrians spend their lives trying to convince people that Mozart was Austrian and Hitler was German.

LesBontemps September 13, 2012 at 9:55 am

You know the difference between Germans and Austrians? The Austrians got away with it.

guangho September 13, 2012 at 2:42 pm

A friend of mine said that after she got out of the camps and did the hospitals/sanitoriums bit for a while, she would up in Salzburg in 1968 with her brother. They were greeted, in German, with "oh look, they're back."

Bill Bryson summed it up nicely. Austria is a nice place except for those fucking Austrians.

eggsacklywright September 13, 2012 at 9:39 am

God wins!

MosesInvests September 13, 2012 at 9:43 am

ISWYDT

Dashboard Buddha September 13, 2012 at 10:26 am

I know right? It's a good thing Adolf was such a dick or else one might start feeling sorry for him.

jodyleek September 13, 2012 at 9:18 am

Uncle Sean, tell us how you stole money from that charity for military children again!

nonbeliever7 September 13, 2012 at 9:19 am

"…and Michelle's obesity reduction program is just like Auschwitz since they can't eat whatever they want."

BaldarTFlagass September 13, 2012 at 9:19 am

Rand Paul is also feverishly searching the country for the warehouse shown at the end of the Raiders of the Lost Ark. Spielberg won't tell him where it is.

actor212 September 13, 2012 at 9:44 am

Maybe he can ask Aqua Buddha

eggsacklywright September 13, 2012 at 10:04 am

Or the sister, Aqua Vulva.

thatsitfortheother1 September 13, 2012 at 10:07 am

I Snore Ted…

FlownOver September 13, 2012 at 10:19 am

I'd love to watch Rand Paul in full meltyface mode. On a loop.

Dashboard Buddha September 13, 2012 at 10:24 am

with votes though…remember, with votes.

eggsacklywright September 13, 2012 at 9:20 am

I. M. Bacile is on the case. Trailer forthcoming.

sullivanst September 13, 2012 at 10:48 am

I'm Bacile!

LesBontemps September 13, 2012 at 11:03 am

And so is my wife!

eggsacklywright September 13, 2012 at 11:03 am

Well OK then. Are you funded by the Kocks or Adelsheim or whatever the fuck his name is?

bobbert September 13, 2012 at 11:49 am

Giving new meaning to the term "trailer trash".

deanbooth September 13, 2012 at 9:21 am

Founding Fathers keepers, losers weepers.

Estproph September 13, 2012 at 9:21 am

Ya know what? It's sort of like the government went up to them and just shot them in the head! It's sort of like the government is shooting all of us in the head! Every day! WE'RE ALL DEAD! THE GOVERNMENT HAS KILLED EVERYONE ON EARTH!

BaldarTFlagass September 13, 2012 at 9:23 am

There's a lot of that going around these days.

PinkoPopulist September 13, 2012 at 9:40 am

I felt this way for sometime. Just tell me where and when to board the train and I'll be there.

eggsacklywright September 13, 2012 at 10:05 am

This time around, they're using death panel trucks.

Biff September 13, 2012 at 10:36 am

I see what you did there.

PinkoPopulist September 13, 2012 at 10:37 am

Do I actually have to board the truck and go some where? Or will the just off me on my front lawn? I'd prefer the latter.

LesBontemps September 13, 2012 at 10:00 am

Did I miss my death panel?

Limeylizzie September 13, 2012 at 9:21 am

Good Morning Wonketteers, Rebecca and I are in our jammies hanging out, thought you would like to know. We are going to go and eat at Amy-Ruth's on 116th Street and I recommend the "Al Sharpton" which is delicious and involves bacon and a waffle. We may provide pictures.

BaldarTFlagass September 13, 2012 at 9:24 am

Pictures? Of the waffle?

Limeylizzie September 13, 2012 at 9:51 am

Yes, the waffle.

LesBontemps September 13, 2012 at 10:01 am

That's some kind of euphemism, right?

Biff September 13, 2012 at 10:37 am

As long as it's not blue, I'm OK with it.

Steverino247 September 13, 2012 at 9:28 am

I believe the pictures should involve a breast showdown so the important questions of our day can be answered. Perhaps some nipple contact as well?

And will any whipped cream be involved? No, I'm not talking about the waffles, but I'm sure that would be good, too.

thatsitfortheother1 September 13, 2012 at 9:36 am

When you're right, you're right!

actor212 September 13, 2012 at 9:55 am

Shhhh, dude. I was going to do that tonight.

Negropolis September 13, 2012 at 9:29 am

Is this the home of the famous "Muthafuckin' Ice Tea"?

Limeylizzie September 13, 2012 at 9:50 am

No, that is Sylvia's on 125th, this is the home of every item on the menu named after famous black people in the hood, so we can order the Rev. Butts waffles or the Obama Turkey Sammich.

HistoriCat September 13, 2012 at 9:55 am

the Obama Turkey Sammich

Please tell me this contains both white and dark meat.

Limeylizzie September 13, 2012 at 9:59 am

Natch!

actor212 September 13, 2012 at 9:56 am

Do they still have the Malcolm Eggs?

eggsacklywright September 13, 2012 at 10:07 am

And the Huey Newtons?

GunToting[Redacted] September 13, 2012 at 9:32 am

Pillow fight or GTFO.

Baconzgood September 13, 2012 at 9:36 am

Did someone say bacon?

Limeylizzie September 13, 2012 at 10:00 am

Mmmmm, the bacon there is delicious!

BigSkullF*ckingDog September 13, 2012 at 9:40 am

I second the call for a pillow fight. And descriptions of the jammies as well.

Steverino247 September 13, 2012 at 9:43 am

The jammie bottoms are now around their ankles…

Guppy September 13, 2012 at 9:46 am

We are going to go and eat

In your jammies?

James Michael Curley September 13, 2012 at 10:49 am

Bottoms are fashionable now in NYC on a Sunday brunch or holiday. Theys called 'lounge pants' and look really stupid on any guy or gal with a body fat ration above 3%.

Chet Kincaid_ September 13, 2012 at 9:51 am

I think you guys should go put up Obama posters at that crazy Harlem Pastor's church. When he comes out to glare out you, bat your eyes at him all coquettish!

HistoriCat September 13, 2012 at 9:57 am

Lizzie's already on his shit list. Something something round-bottom something.

freakishlywrong September 13, 2012 at 9:53 am

Cheers, bitchaz!

ttommyunger September 13, 2012 at 10:17 am

Tits or GTFO, muthafukahs!

guangho September 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm

My liver is particularly fond of Amy Ruth's on certain Sunday mornings.

freakishlywrong September 13, 2012 at 9:22 am

Randy's aware, as a Senator, he's a member of this Nazi regime, right?

deanbooth September 13, 2012 at 9:23 am

I know Paul is an idjit, but I'm not sure his comment is on the side of the coin finders — just as the paintings need to be returned, so do the coins.

P.s. maybe I should watch the video.

Guppy September 13, 2012 at 9:46 am

No, no you should not.

MosesInvests September 13, 2012 at 9:23 am

Godwin, Schmodwin.

BaldarTFlagass September 13, 2012 at 9:24 am

You know who else stole precious artwork from Jews in 1930s Europe? Oh, wait.

Dr_Zoidberg September 13, 2012 at 9:32 am

I got this one! The Nazis! Now, what do I win?

thatsitfortheother1 September 13, 2012 at 9:38 am

Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey?

actor212 September 13, 2012 at 9:45 am

Prescott Bush?

MacRaith September 13, 2012 at 9:52 am

Obama! It was all Obama! He stole the art, killed the Jews, and dropped bombs on London, because he did everything evil, ever!

…Um, sorry, too much exposure to Hannity can do that to you. I feel much better now.

Negropolis September 13, 2012 at 9:24 am

Rand heard 1939, and his Nazi-sense was piqued. Hannity, bless his stupid, little heart, didn't realize the lob he threw Randall. BTW, everyone knows that Rand and his daddy are crazy and anti-semitic enough to know that he absolutely sees virtue in the example he gave.

shelwood46 September 13, 2012 at 1:45 pm

Are we sure Hannity didn't realize? After all, the year the coins were stolen was really 1933, not 1939 (and they're worth $7 million, not $80 million).

Negropolis September 13, 2012 at 11:01 pm

It's always been my view that Hannity is dumb as a box of rocks, and not even crazy like a FOX. But, I could be wrong.

no_gravity September 13, 2012 at 9:24 am

Rand Paul – taking up the mantle of crazy of his retiring father.

delaney_blom September 13, 2012 at 9:25 am

Give Senator Paul a little credit for neural firing in the cerebral cortex. Hannity says "1939;" Sen. Paul says, "Nazis."

Get Glen Beck in there with a chalkboard so we can have FDR in bed with Hitler plotting to steal everyone's gold.

BaldarTFlagass September 13, 2012 at 9:26 am

Bullion? You mean them little cubes you put in hot water to make soup?

Dr_Zoidberg September 13, 2012 at 9:33 am

They're hot on the black market right now. Everyone wants those salty little cubes.

thatsitfortheother1 September 13, 2012 at 9:25 am

Rand's got half the brains of his daddy, but all the bigotry.

no_gravity September 13, 2012 at 9:27 am

And sadly, his father's brain is stuck in the 19th century. So that would put Rand in the year 950.

Steverino247 September 13, 2012 at 9:29 am

Since when is it a war crime to recover stolen property?

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!

no_gravity September 13, 2012 at 9:48 am

You're asking this to a main that wears a dead squirrel on his head so you need to start there and work your way back.

Goonemeritus September 13, 2012 at 9:30 am

So our government has so lost its way that now it refuses to let people profit from stealing, no wonder Wall Street doesn’t support these radicals!

ChillBill September 13, 2012 at 9:30 am

I'm starting to think that there is no such thing as a non-Nanzi themed GOP analogy.

thatsitfortheother1 September 13, 2012 at 9:40 am

What about Commies?

delaney_blom September 13, 2012 at 9:41 am

I'm pretty sure they're the same. National SOCIALISTS?

thatsitfortheother1 September 13, 2012 at 9:59 am

):

Baconzgood September 13, 2012 at 9:31 am

If the US government is like the nazis and he's a member of congress than it stands to reason….

Guppy September 13, 2012 at 9:47 am

And what does that make Speaker Boehner?

eggsacklywright September 13, 2012 at 10:10 am

Easy. BoehnerHitler.

no_gravity September 13, 2012 at 9:47 am

…Rand is a Communist.

thatsitfortheother1 September 13, 2012 at 10:00 am

His middle name is Russian. Jerkov.

Terry September 13, 2012 at 9:32 am

I wonder what Rand Paul's reaction would be if someone stole some of Ron Paul's beloved gold hoard, then a few decades later the gold was discovered in the possession of the thief's offspring. Would Rand feel that Daddy's gold should be returned to his family or would that be an issue of finders-keepers, too?

Baconzgood September 13, 2012 at 9:33 am

You know who else took paintings from Jewish families? Oh wait that gag doesn't work on this post.

BaldarTFlagass September 13, 2012 at 9:40 am

Yeah, I already tried that (see above).

HistoriCat September 13, 2012 at 9:59 am

They're taking all our tried and true memes! If someone starts talking about hookworms or trucknutz I'm going to start suspecting someone here is a double agent.

PinkoPopulist September 13, 2012 at 9:37 am

Yes the Nazis taking paintings from Jews which said Jews had a legitimate ownership interest in is exactly like the United States repossessing coins that the current possessors never had a legitimate ownership interest in. I'm pretty sure I learned that in law school.

Chet Kincaid_ September 13, 2012 at 9:38 am
JackDempsey1 September 13, 2012 at 9:41 am

I think what Rand is getting at is: if you hold onto something long enough, it's yours.
It didn't quite work out right in Poland, though.

actor212 September 13, 2012 at 9:41 am

The couple is lucky they weren't jailed for possession of stolen property.

fuflans September 13, 2012 at 9:47 am

i like it better when rand paul wears little lord fauntleroy shorts.

it suits his intellectual musings.

Steverino247 September 13, 2012 at 9:48 am

Behind every mediocre family lies a great fuck up.

thatsitfortheother1 September 13, 2012 at 10:02 am

I tried to tell ol' Ron not to be doin' his cousin that way…

sullivanst September 13, 2012 at 10:54 am

I'm guessing he replied something like "argle bargle rights blurgle FREEDUMB!"

Guppy September 13, 2012 at 9:50 am

The family's right to the coins was about as legitimate as Rand's medical practice.

gullywompr September 13, 2012 at 9:50 am

I know exactly what he means. A government official once took a bag of weed from me and didn't give me a dime either. Fucking Nazis…

larrykat September 13, 2012 at 9:52 am

Rand Paul is an expert on the Constitution like Paul Ryan is an expert in economics. In either case the outcome is bad for old ladies and children.

actor212 September 13, 2012 at 9:53 am

In fairness to Paul, Hannity kinda sandbagged him here.

The appropriate response, however, would have been "I'm not familiar with the case, Sean" and leave Hannity dangling like a cling-on as he tried to bluster Paul into an answer.

DonnyKerabotsos September 13, 2012 at 9:59 am

" It’s sort of like the Nazis taking paintings from Jewish families during the war and saying you don’t get them back." Paul seems to think that the Jews biggest worry during the Holocaust was whether or not they were gonna get their stuff back.

" Well they’re yours, they’re still yours even if you find it 60 years later." Right. They belonged to the government, They were stolen from the government. They still belong to the government.

Does this guy even listen to himself talk?

Incitefully_Joe September 13, 2012 at 10:09 am

I have one! You know who else didn't appreciate the distinction between recovering property that belongs to you, and stealing somebody else's stuff?

MacRaith September 13, 2012 at 10:14 am

I know! I know! ATILLA THE HUN!

…or was it Alaric the Visigoth? I always get those guys mixed up.

Chet Kincaid_ September 13, 2012 at 10:23 am
Yellerdawg September 13, 2012 at 10:12 am

I drove to work today in my economy car, JUST LIKE THE VOLKSWAGENS THE NAZIS BUILT!
I got to work on time, JUST LIKE AN EFFICIENT NAZI!
I'm wearing trousers and a button-down shirt, JUST LIKE ALMOST SIMILAR TO HOW THE SS WORE A UNIFORM!

Oh my…we're all Nazis.

anniegetyerfun September 13, 2012 at 10:18 am

I'm not sure I could have come up with a much better response to Hannity, since I've read that paragraph a few times and have no fucking idea what he was saying. Maybe the best response to anything he says is "That's just like the Nazis!"

ttommyunger September 13, 2012 at 10:19 am

Just what we need, another sequel to Dumb and Dumberer. This was the movie trailer, right?

docterry6973 September 13, 2012 at 10:26 am

So if Granddaddy von Stroheim, the SS officer, stole a painting from a Jewish family and I had it, I shouldn't have to give it back even though it was stolen. Not that Grandaddy would have done that; he was one of the good SS officers.

Rand may be on to something here. If you possess stolen property like valuable coins you should be allowed to keep them because the Nazis. The man is a genius.

sullivanst September 13, 2012 at 11:00 am

Yeah, my immediate thought when I read this yesterday was to think of the cases involving families of victims of the Holocaust recovering plundered artwork – cases that are still ongoing.

Hera Sent Me September 13, 2012 at 10:30 am

I've been a coin collector since I was five. The coins in question, 1933 double eagles, are famous among collectors. Courts have long determined that any 1933 double eagle is stolen property (except one King Farouk of Egypt managed to obtain an export license for), as none were lawfully released before Depression-era legislation banned the issuance of gold coins into circulation. The dealer knew this, his family did not. So when they asked experts to assess the coins' value, they reported the situation to the authorities.

In America, "stolen property never loses the quality of being stolen", so it can never pass cleanly without the original owner, in the case the US government, being able to assert a claim.

Somebody should tell Native Americans.

James Michael Curley September 13, 2012 at 10:55 am

I don't follow anything in the coin world but isn't this the catch of coins where prior to their discovery only a handful were known to exist?

JDBishop5 September 13, 2012 at 11:32 am

As there is not one square inch of territory under the American flag that was not stolen from its occupants at the point of a gun, or bought from someone who had already stolen it, should we expect to return the United Stats to its rightful owners? Seems like justice. One never obtains title to stolen property.

Troglodeity September 13, 2012 at 12:03 pm

What, no gratuitous rape reference? They're slipping.

natoslug September 13, 2012 at 12:08 pm

So Runt is saying that the Jews were a bunch of dirty thieves and had it coming? That's rather ballsy of him.

Exhausted66 September 13, 2012 at 12:12 pm

Two Coins in a Fountainhead.

a_pink_poodle September 13, 2012 at 2:57 pm

Is this one of those things that I shouldn't bother thinking about too hard?

Schmegeg September 13, 2012 at 6:58 pm

The coins went missing from the US Mint in the 1930s and turned up now in this guys safe deposit box. These people owned exactly zero and were lucky they didn't get fined.

TribecaMike September 13, 2012 at 7:01 pm

And nobody knows what's on the minds of Jews and other minorities more than fourth-rate honky hacks.

thebeatgoeson September 13, 2012 at 11:57 pm

I swear Sean always has that same fucking idiotic look on his face. Stupid Fred Flintstone Man…

actor212 September 13, 2012 at 9:54 am

If it's Greece, it's Olympus.

thatsitfortheother1 September 13, 2012 at 10:09 am

Cassis Clay.

James Michael Curley September 13, 2012 at 10:45 am

Whats the one with the deep fried turkey breast on corn bread with enough gravy to kill a Presbyterian. That's what I had.

actor212 September 13, 2012 at 12:03 pm

A thing of beauty, my friend. A thing of beauty.

actor212 September 13, 2012 at 12:04 pm

Oh, the Rev Wright?

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