BECAUSE THE SOVIET UNION AND STUFF  3:30 pm August 30, 2012

Condi Rice Can’t Really Name Any Obama Foreign Policy Failures, Except Maybe Bowing

by Doktor Zoom


Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is quite certain that Mitt Romney would be a much better foreign policy president than that Barack Obama guy. On CBS’s Morning Show yesterday, host Norah O’Donnell asked Rice to identify specific foreign policy things that Obama had failed at, but she politely dodged the question and said she would rather talk about how a Romney foreign policy would be better, because it would be different in many important regards, somehow, which she also could not quite specify. Except that maybe Obama has had the “mute” button on America’s foreign policy voice, because Obama forgot to watch for the end of the commercial and the show came back on:

O’DONNELL: Can you be specific about somewhere where you think President Obama has failed on foreign policy?

RICE: What we should do tonight, is talk about what a President Romney would mean for America. It’s not a time to look back, it’s a time to look forward. We have real challenges out there, in the Middle East, in Asia, in Europe, with our allies.

O’DONNELL: But if President Obama isn’t doing anything wrong, then why change things?

RICE: It’s a question of what a President Romney would do and there is no doubt that the United States’ voice has been muted and when the United States’ voice is muted the world is a more dangerous place.

Rice then went on to explain that a Romney administration would be just as hamstrung by the Syrian crisis as the Obama administration has been, because what can you do when the Russians and Chinese are blocking every effort in the UN? But Romney would probably be more resolute, somehow. Also, no bowing, and even if he holds hands with the Saudi King, Romney would definitely not let him get to second base, probably.

Fortunately, by the time of her actual speech at the RNC Convention, Rice had in fact discovered an enormous foreign-policy shortcoming on Obama’s part:

In the last years, the United States has ratified three trade agreements, all negotiated in the Bush Administration. If you are concerned about China’s rise – consider this fact – China has signed 15 Free Trade Agreements and is negotiating 20 more. Sadly we are abandoning the playing field of free trade – and it will come back to haunt us.

We certainly hope that wingnut bloggers will note how Condoleezza Rice is calling on America to be more like Communist China.

Also, too, it’s always somewhat suspenseful to hear Condi Rice talking on the Teevee, because of that little quavery thing in her voice where, when she tries to make a really serious point, she sounds like she is just on the verge of bursting into tears. What is that about, anyway?

[ThinkProgress / Politico]

 
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OneDollarJuana August 30, 2012 at 3:34 pm

She sounds like she is just about to cry because she realizes that every other Bush administration member made huge bank during the regime, and all she got was a new piano.

Jus_Wonderin August 30, 2012 at 3:37 pm

She's single. I think she is disappointed she didn't get a flute.

Crank_Tango August 30, 2012 at 3:42 pm

Shrub offered to let her play his skin flute tho, so there's that.

ThankYouJeebus August 30, 2012 at 5:10 pm

"Hey, Condi, since you're so musical, you wanna blow my skin flute? heh heh heh."

Chichikovovich August 30, 2012 at 6:29 pm

No? How about mah boneophone? Mah prickolo? Heh, heh, heh…

YouBetcha August 30, 2012 at 3:43 pm

I don't think she's a flutist. I get the impression she'd enjoy playing a fiddle.

sullivanst August 30, 2012 at 5:26 pm

But who'd set fire to Washington?

SorosBot August 30, 2012 at 3:46 pm

Single, but has been living with the same female roommate for decades, so you know.

Not_So_Much August 30, 2012 at 4:53 pm

Shouldn't Napalitano's alleged cabal be trying to hire her?

IonaTrailer August 30, 2012 at 3:44 pm

Or a muffin, if yaknowwhatI'mtalkinabout. ~winks~

AbandonHope_ August 30, 2012 at 3:44 pm

I'm surprised the Republicans didn't give her at least 3/5ths of what they made.

prommie August 30, 2012 at 4:02 pm

No, she is just a fucking moron who's been handled with condescending kid gloves by a bunch of rich white oligarchs all her life, who regarded her as some kind of exotic pet, "look, our very own black female foreign policy expert, isn't she something? Say something, Condi, see, she is so articulate." And over the years she has grown so very very accustomed to the condescending (she's too dumb to see that its condescending) praise, that whenever she is in a situation where she is not condescendingly praised, she gets totally butt-hurt, and either gets petulant, or gets teary.

She's the stupidest Bushie of all the fucking idiot Bushies. Nobody could have expected someone to fly an airplane into a building. Thats what you get when you hire a security advisor whose area of expertise is a nation that no longer exists (USSR) and a conflict that no longer exists (the cold war.)

Chet Kincaid_ August 30, 2012 at 4:04 pm

But you have to admit, she had Ghadafi totally p-whipped.

Veritas78 August 30, 2012 at 4:31 pm

We could have hired Snooki to do the same, for a lot less.

bobbert August 30, 2012 at 5:14 pm

I'm not sure she's a moron. She's a specialist whose specialty self-deported, and then was given a high-level super-generalist management job and didn't have the fuck of an idea what to do about it. Poster child for the Peter Principle.

HempDogbane August 30, 2012 at 4:36 pm

She's always been on the verge of crying away her life since she fell off the cradle.

sullivanst August 30, 2012 at 5:27 pm

She wears her war crimes as a Badge of honor.

Biff August 30, 2012 at 5:49 pm

Shoes. She got more shoes than would fit in Imelda Marcos' closets.

Speaking of closets…

comrad_darkness August 30, 2012 at 7:29 pm

So? Every place I've ever worked the black secretaries were expected to work twice as hard for half the pay.

ChernobylSoup August 30, 2012 at 3:35 pm

After the interview, Rice went to CBS Morning Show's restroom to see if their soap would wash the blood off her hands. Again, she was disappointed.

Mapmonger August 30, 2012 at 3:36 pm

I remember the ounces of respect I had left for Rice. They're gone now.

Boredw/Gravitas August 30, 2012 at 5:05 pm

Any respect I may have ever had for her flew out the window as I watched her help the cabal that was Bush/Cheney destroy the world.

Lionel[redacted]Esq August 30, 2012 at 3:36 pm

Clearly, Obama's failed in foreign policy because he has yet to get us stuck in a war for eight years. Hell, he hasn't even really tried to get us stuck in a war for no good reason!

Dr_Zoidberg August 30, 2012 at 3:38 pm

Well, you know how lazy those blahs are.

starfanglednut August 30, 2012 at 3:49 pm

Just collectin' their welfare and ridin' in they cadillacs.

FakaktaSouth August 30, 2012 at 3:36 pm

What we should do tonight, is talk about what a President Romney would mean for America.

I agree, but we know that they will not, tonight is supposed to make him look good.

Isyaignert August 30, 2012 at 4:13 pm

Bingo!

sullivanst August 30, 2012 at 3:36 pm

There's a reason she can't explain how Mitt Romney could do anything better, which is that Mitt Romney has studiously avoided saying what his foreign policy would be (apart from warring everyone on the planet immediately, of course)

Callyson August 30, 2012 at 4:04 pm

He'd rather discuss those matters in a quiet room somewhere.

sullivanst August 30, 2012 at 4:08 pm

Apparently he'd rather stick to tailoring the tax scheme to make sure he never has to pay any again and leave the foreign policy stuff to the Cheney team that did such a fantastic job.

bobbert August 30, 2012 at 5:15 pm

To Mittens, there is no "foreign" policy. His money is at home anywhere in the world.

Generation[redacted] August 30, 2012 at 3:37 pm

And you link to Politico? Good luck getting invited to any more of their parties.

IncenseDebate August 30, 2012 at 3:37 pm

Romney would set things white. I mean right.

Biff August 30, 2012 at 5:53 pm

That's just delightsome!

Estproph August 30, 2012 at 3:37 pm

She clearly went to the Sarah Palin School Of Avoiding Answering The Question

AbandonHope_ August 30, 2012 at 3:43 pm

Point of order: Caribou Barbie often didn't realize there actually was a question to answer.

Due to her being a fucking imbecile, I mean.

bumfug August 30, 2012 at 3:37 pm

Bowing is way bad – nothing will fuck up diplomacy quicker than showing traditional respect!

mrpuma2u August 30, 2012 at 4:10 pm

Yeah why isn't Obama all bluster and bullying and sabre-rattling? That is what gets shit done. He hasn't started one war based on lies yet. What a loser.

Isyaignert August 30, 2012 at 4:16 pm

When I first read the headlne, I thought it said "bowling" because Obama suxs at bowling.

Geminisunmars August 30, 2012 at 4:22 pm

Well, at least that way it makes some sense.

bobbert August 30, 2012 at 5:16 pm

So did I.

sullivanst August 30, 2012 at 5:17 pm

Plus, I heard that's where all the skinheads are.

BloviateMe August 30, 2012 at 3:38 pm

It is hard to argue with the unassailable brilliance of Mittens' Euro-Tour 2012. Foreign diplomacy savant, the fella is.

mavenmaven August 30, 2012 at 3:38 pm

Whatever happened to Colin Powell, anyway?

ChernobylSoup August 30, 2012 at 3:41 pm

Despite his Republican associations, I think Powell experiences shame, almost like a normal human.

IonaTrailer August 30, 2012 at 3:47 pm

Oh man, I'd love to see him show up at the DNC and talk about how he was lied to.
That would be brilliant.

comrad_darkness August 30, 2012 at 7:35 pm

He knew he was being lied to. You can see it in his UN speech clear as a screaming neon sign. He was just playing good soldier. Used to respect the guy. Alas, no republicans left worth respecting.

GeorgiaBurning August 30, 2012 at 7:56 pm

he could say he was brainwashed, like Romney's dad about Vietnam

actor212 August 30, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Callyson August 30, 2012 at 4:06 pm

"I may disagree with you, but I’m not out to destroy you."

Oh yeah–if he has not already been drummed away by the GOP establishment, they'll go after him for that off-message comment.

Isyaignert August 30, 2012 at 4:21 pm

Great link – thanks! Here's my favorite line: "And so my only suggestion is if you are thinking of military – use of military forces to help get rid of al-Assad – think it through carefully, and don’t just grab slogans and run with it.”

bobbert August 30, 2012 at 5:17 pm

Well, there was this "Powell Doctrine", which Powell then ignored.

anniegetyerfun August 30, 2012 at 3:52 pm

Hopefully hiding away somewhere, ashamed of his role in being a patsy for the worst administration in US history.

pdiddycornchips August 30, 2012 at 3:55 pm

He's in the studio working with Eminem. Their CD will drop in December in time for Xmas

orygoon August 30, 2012 at 3:38 pm

Well God help us if Romney does win this election by making his foreign policy better than the administration that she was part of. I will offer up that prayer while bonking my head on the ground three times, should we have that kind of changey thing in November. Especially since now I have a son in the Navy.

Generation[redacted] August 30, 2012 at 3:39 pm

I want to know what Donald Rumsfeld thinks of our foreign policy.

Where is he? Drowning his regrets in whiskey, no doubt.

FNMA August 30, 2012 at 3:46 pm

Doubt that. I think you have to have some semblance of a conscience to have regrets. Sociopaths have no regrets, except that they couldn't get away with more.

Geminisunmars August 30, 2012 at 4:24 pm

I just want to know that he is drowning in whiskey.

sullivanst August 30, 2012 at 5:23 pm

Hopefully blended grain whiskey. Don't want single malt prices going up.

Geminisunmars August 30, 2012 at 7:00 pm

I wouldn't mind if it was piss-like beer.

Isyaignert August 30, 2012 at 4:33 pm

I heard a guy on the radio who saw Herr Rumsfeld in Vail and said to his face, "Well, if it isn't my favorite war criminal." And then there's this recent event (the action starts a 1:30 – http://my.firedoglake.com/glitterscale/2012/02/26

gullywompr August 30, 2012 at 3:39 pm

RICE DETERMINED TO ATTACK AMERICA

FNMA August 30, 2012 at 3:46 pm

I'll just ignore that.

HistoriCat August 30, 2012 at 5:52 pm

OK, you covered your ass – now get out of here.

BaldarTFlagass August 30, 2012 at 3:39 pm

I think she's just pissed because Barry has hit it out of the park with the unconstitutional drone attacks, where George just barely singled to first.

actor212 August 30, 2012 at 3:47 pm

Bush tried to get to second, but Condi slapped his hands and buttoned her blouse back up

Biel_ze_Bubba August 31, 2012 at 9:38 pm

"George just barely singled to first. "

I'm pretty sure he reached on an error.

ChillBill August 30, 2012 at 3:40 pm

"She was the worst First Mistress ever. It’s about time we get a First Mistress in there who acts like a First Mistress and looks like a First Mistress.”

Crank_Tango August 30, 2012 at 3:43 pm

Real first mistresses look like Marilyn Monroe, amirite?

SorosBot August 30, 2012 at 3:47 pm

And Monica was pretty cute.

Isyaignert August 30, 2012 at 4:37 pm

I liked her beret.

comrad_darkness August 30, 2012 at 7:39 pm

Look at those bedroom eyes. http://www.politico.com/gallery/2012/07/20-photos
And the wingmen, averting their gazes. So cute!

Jus_Wonderin August 30, 2012 at 3:40 pm

You know, during her entire tenure I just didn't think she looked like a Secretary of State.

kittensdontlie August 30, 2012 at 3:53 pm

Yeah, her look was too dark,…oh I meant her outlook on life was black…errr bleak.

Jus_Wonderin August 30, 2012 at 3:58 pm

There is also that all of our previous SoS's were white and had balls. Yes, that includes Madeleine Albright.

comrad_darkness August 30, 2012 at 7:40 pm

She had three, I think.

MissTaken August 30, 2012 at 3:40 pm

I don't miss our former Princess Diplomat.

SorosBot August 30, 2012 at 3:48 pm

I do miss Princess Sparkle Pony and his reports on her though.

orygoon August 30, 2012 at 3:41 pm

And that sounds-like-bursting-into-tears thing? Last night she sounded so angry and hurty when she said "we must not have more of this government that keeps plunging us into more debt!" That was so wtf. Who writes these lines?

kittensdontlie August 30, 2012 at 3:56 pm

Her quaking voice is telling you that she is a romneying sack of ryan.

no_gravity August 30, 2012 at 3:41 pm

Mitt Romney foreign policy – You Non Members Bow to Me

actor212 August 30, 2012 at 3:41 pm

Which part of "I GOT OSAMA" makes any possible failures not moot?

About the only thing he could have done better was get the damned Israelis back to the bargaining table with the Palestinians and even there, I think he tried his best. Fucking Netanyahu ought to remember who's side he's on.

weejee August 30, 2012 at 3:44 pm

Actor, actor, a Rethuglican prez would not be braggin' on wackin' Osama, you know they would be deferring all huzzahs to the Seals and their support crews. For sure and for true they would.

Ha! Fat f**king chance those asshats would

bobbert August 30, 2012 at 5:20 pm

Bush would have had the fucking mission accomplished banner draped over his shoulders like a sash.

BerkeleyBear August 30, 2012 at 6:00 pm

And used OBL's head as a codpiece.

IonaTrailer August 30, 2012 at 4:15 pm

Wouldn't it be awesome if Hilary announced they were back at the table right before the election?
Hmmmmmm –

sullivanst August 30, 2012 at 5:13 pm

Israeli PMs seem to be more inclined to leave the table right before US elections.

BerkeleyBear August 30, 2012 at 6:07 pm

Bibi is on Bibi's side, which is for war and intifada forever, since that's the only way he gets to stay in government. Don't forget what happened to Rabin – I know Bibi hasn't.

weejee August 30, 2012 at 8:38 pm

Bibi is a kosher Dick Nixon. Nixon played politics with the war in Vietnam much like Bibi not standing a prayer of staying on as PM without his goading Palestinians into doing something that will kill any dove that might make the mistake of flying over that part of the world.

SoBeach August 30, 2012 at 3:41 pm

Hell, if we're going to go back to the Bush policies of deregulation and tax cuts for the rich we might as well go back to his foreign policy too. Hell yeah!

SmutBoffin August 30, 2012 at 3:41 pm

WELL NORAH (IN THE TANK) O'BAMNNEL I THINK ROMNEY WILL TORTURE EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE AND OVERLOOK OUR ALLIES THAT DO THE SAME

THE MUTE BUTTON WILL COME OFF AND WE WILL HEAR THE MELODIC SCREAMS OF ELECTROCUTED FOREIGNERS FROM MY OFFICE AT THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS

weejee August 30, 2012 at 3:42 pm

Needz moar red beans and rice, and less Condi.

AbandonHope_ August 30, 2012 at 3:42 pm

Oooh, oooh, Ms. Rice, I know, I know! It's because Obama didn't start nearly enough wars, killing thousands of Americans and millions of non-Americans, and bankrupting our nation by draining its coffers directly into military contractors and mercenary groups? Right? Right? What do I win?

Isyaignert August 30, 2012 at 4:10 pm

First prize is a day with Condi and second prize is a week.

CrunchyKnee August 30, 2012 at 3:42 pm

Condi loves her some Derpy ass white dudes.

BaldarTFlagass August 30, 2012 at 3:43 pm

As far as gap-toothed women go, Lauren Hutton still rules my roost.

IonaTrailer August 30, 2012 at 4:16 pm

Anna Paquin isn't too shabby either…

deleted4877492 August 30, 2012 at 3:44 pm

Rice did a great job representing America, now Condoleezza wants to lead a semi-private lifestyle. Racists believe she was an affirmative action choice, but her academic qualifications are beyond question.

Goonemeritus August 30, 2012 at 3:54 pm

Her academic qualifications are beyond question as you say but her involvement in “A Project for a New American Century” and the resulting War with Iraq makes her criminally responsible for thousands of deaths.

prommie August 30, 2012 at 4:09 pm

Actually she never published anything, and hr specialties, the USSR and the Cold War, were history, completely irrelevant.

actor212 August 30, 2012 at 4:11 pm

Which sort of negates the whole "academic qualifications" bit

bobbert August 30, 2012 at 5:22 pm

Archaeology libel!

polnick August 30, 2012 at 4:22 pm

Condo did her job well and few thought of firing her. She was 100% politically correct.

sullivanst August 30, 2012 at 5:20 pm

If you consider her job to be ignoring warnings of threats which were later realized in a devastating way, and complicity in the commission of war crimes including "the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole", then yeah, sure, she did her job to perfection.

polnick August 30, 2012 at 4:16 pm

The hands of Hillary are not free of blood nor will the hands of any future Sectary of State, Condoleezza cannot be blamed for following the aggressive policies of America. Some say we should become a peace loving nation and close down our arms industries. 50 million Americans who build tanks and planes and their families say NO. I have to agree and also say NO.

Crank_Tango August 30, 2012 at 4:19 pm

It's cute how you are so serious but keep changing the subject.

DahBoner August 30, 2012 at 5:02 pm

50 million Americans build tanks and planes?

Hahaha. Not even close. Where you get your numbers from? GOP?

polnick August 30, 2012 at 5:17 pm

Fifty million American families are dependent on the building of tanks and planes. The defense budget is over one trillion dollars—look it up.

outragedcitizen August 30, 2012 at 3:44 pm

"… when the United States’ voice is muted the world is a more dangerous place. "

Well, actually, with the US kinda cold killing just about everybody who irritates us with Predator drones, I would hardly say our collective voice has been muted. Quite to opposite, I believe.

anniegetyerfun August 30, 2012 at 3:50 pm

It's muted because we're not sacrificing nearly as many US as we were in the past, and so we can't simultaneously exploit/ignore their deaths.

polnick August 30, 2012 at 4:28 pm

It is wise to murder them before they are powerful enough to invade and loot America. It is eat or be eaten.

sullivanst August 30, 2012 at 5:23 pm

It is profoundly stupid to create two enemies for every one you kill.

Geminisunmars August 30, 2012 at 4:30 pm

Well, to be fair, those drones don't make much noise.

Pithaughn August 30, 2012 at 5:01 pm

Oh Condi, you make us pine for the days of ridiculously big sticks and speaking loudly and arrogantly.

Goonemeritus August 30, 2012 at 3:44 pm

Condi has a giant brass set even talking about foreign policy after the giant steaming turd of a state they left our country in. Here at least a plurality of the American people knows Obama is clearly the steadier hand.

prommie August 30, 2012 at 3:52 pm

Well, come on now, in the post cold-war era, with stateless terrorists and competition for resources between us and a rapidly industrializing 'third world" the major issues, what you need is a security advisor whose areas of expertise are the Soviet Union, a nation that doesn't exist any more, and the cold war, a conflict thats been over for over a decade. Great choice, there, W, or I should say Cheney.

polnick August 30, 2012 at 4:30 pm

Obama is a warrior not a peacenik. He is about to invade Syria and then Iran.

Goonemeritus August 30, 2012 at 4:42 pm

I am going to assume you are not a troll based purely on the benefit of the doubt concept. The people of Syria do not want or need our help dealing with their leadership. As to Iran Obama once again has been giving diplomacy and sanctions a long hard try. If Iran wants the world to welcome them back they only need reciprocate. Look at Myanmar small reforms get the ball rolling and sooner or later everyone but weapons manufactures are happy.

bobbert August 30, 2012 at 5:23 pm

I'm thinking performance artist, myself.

halfspin August 31, 2012 at 4:26 am

Yeah, an invasion, that's the ticket! Obama's just itching to get into another intractable ground war in the Middle East.

tomchicago01 August 30, 2012 at 5:02 pm

…and many people on this planet are deeply appreciative of a more "muted" American voice after the quacking nonsense of Bushism.

Goonemeritus August 30, 2012 at 6:20 pm

Ok I took the time to read some of your past comment from your Intense Debate stream. While you may not be a troll you are neither up to this sites snark ratio or this sites fact based bigotry. It was nice to meet you enjoy your probable exile.

Chet Kincaid_ August 31, 2012 at 1:22 am

I think it self-deported.

halfspin August 31, 2012 at 4:26 am

Sucking off the government teat and not even making something useful in return.

Chet Kincaid_ August 30, 2012 at 3:45 pm

If only she had waited for her true, handsome African Prince, instead of settling for her husband W.

sudsmckenzie August 30, 2012 at 3:45 pm

Hey, look over there, its Chopin!

UnholyMoses August 30, 2012 at 3:46 pm

So Condi's main bitch is that Obama doesn't go around yelling at everyone else and stuffing socks down his flightsuit or kiss Saudi princes being all cowboyish and stuff.

Well that's … telling.

AbandonHope_ August 30, 2012 at 3:47 pm

Clearly, Obama has a lot more brush-clearing to do.

UnholyMoses August 30, 2012 at 3:47 pm

He could just use drones.

No splinters!! YAY!!

Isyaignert August 30, 2012 at 4:07 pm

Condasleezy was GeeDumb's office wife – she actually called him her husband once.

YouBetcha August 30, 2012 at 3:46 pm

You know, I'm glad she's no longer Secretary of State, because you know, this country needs a Secretary of State who looks and acts like a Secretary of State.

anniegetyerfun August 30, 2012 at 3:49 pm

You mean, someone who has some fucking idea about what is going on in the world?

viennawoods13 August 30, 2012 at 3:47 pm

All of them, Norah.

sbj1964 August 30, 2012 at 3:48 pm

Condileza Rice President Obama killed Osomma tell that to your Momma!

Fairtackle August 30, 2012 at 3:48 pm

I think that after Mittens' European tour de force we can see just how much awesomer he is than Obama on foreign policy. Sure if you want other countries to "like" us Obama is better, but this is America, that is just not how we roll. USA! USA! USA!

BigSkullF*ckingDog August 30, 2012 at 4:13 pm

The USA is like that one house on the block that uses bedsheets and flags for curtains, paints the house bright purple and has three old vans on blocks in the front yard with our weird uncles living in them.

"USA, bringing down property values in the western hemisphere since 1776"

BaldarTFlagass August 30, 2012 at 3:49 pm

Well, at least Romney kept Massachusetts from invading Rhode Island. That's a steady hand on the tiller, right there.

calliecallie August 30, 2012 at 4:14 pm

Rhode Island would probably have welcomed that. I believe they're in a financial pickle these days, unlike their neighbor to the north.

sullivanst August 30, 2012 at 5:10 pm

Although I doubt Massachusetts would be doing very well if Mitt was still governor, 47th ranked state in job creation and all that.

pdiddycornchips August 30, 2012 at 3:49 pm

Barry is using drones to blow the shit out of people who need the shit blown out of them (and yeah, a lot who maybe didn't). Condi prefers we send legions of regular troops so the bad guys can at least have a shot at killing some Americans. It's not really a war unless our side sends people back in body bags. Condi is a traditionalist. And a warmonging twat waffle.

anniegetyerfun August 30, 2012 at 4:07 pm

Dead American bodies = more things to exploit and suggest that liberals hate.

halfspin August 31, 2012 at 5:10 am

You know what might justify dead American soldiers? "It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." Are we willing to honor our inevitable dead by taking increased devotion to their cause of helping Bibi's reelection chances? The tragedy of Afghanistan (much like Iraq) is that it might be a noble and worthwhile aim to build a stable and peaceful nation there, it is not a goal that is within the power of our military. Our armed forces can destroy, as is their job, and they may be able to pacify and oversee an occupation for a time, but they cannot build the future. Tanks don't build that. A war to preserve the union and to end chattel slavery, or a war to push back and overthrow the forces of genocidal totalitarian expansionism: those are wars deserving our full measure of devotion

johnnymeatworth August 30, 2012 at 3:49 pm

"She sounds like she is just on the verge of bursting into tears." Still mourning the loss of Jack Donaghy.

Isyaignert August 30, 2012 at 3:58 pm

I had forgoten about Cruella de Bushie being on 30 Rock. Alec Baldwin must have taken five showers after those scenes.

SorosBot August 30, 2012 at 3:49 pm

Obama has given up on Bush's world-conquering policies, and that's just unacceptable to the imperialists like Rice.

Isyaignert August 30, 2012 at 3:55 pm

She of oil tanker-named-after fame.

Poindexter718 August 30, 2012 at 3:49 pm

In all fairness, this White House's posture toward Czechoslovakia, East Germany and the conflict over Quemoy and Matsu has been rather weak.

Isyaignert August 30, 2012 at 3:54 pm

Also too the Soviet Union.

IncenseDebate August 30, 2012 at 3:59 pm

And there's the Missile Gap.

pdiddycornchips August 30, 2012 at 4:02 pm

He's been completely silent on the Mike & Ike conflict also, too.

IonaTrailer August 30, 2012 at 4:24 pm

The White House has been strangely silent on the Hapsburg aggression into Swabia.

doloras August 30, 2012 at 5:44 pm

Actually, Quemoy/Matsu is still going on.

Poindexter718 August 30, 2012 at 6:10 pm

Actually, it hasn't figured in American presidential politics for 52 years, which was my point.

doloras August 30, 2012 at 7:29 pm

I can't imagine why not. I'm sure there's some Republicans who'd love to gin up a war to help the Taiwanese reconquer "the mainland".

unclejeems August 30, 2012 at 8:13 pm

Unleash Chiang Kai-shek!

prommie August 30, 2012 at 3:49 pm

Hate this fucking arrogant cunt more than anyone in the Bush admin. Total, total, total incompetent with absolutely zero awareness that she's a fucking fucktard. Dumb fucking fuck, man I am sorry but when someone can't deal with an interview and turns into a mumbling phumphering shifty evasive fuck like she does each and every fucking time she faces even the mildest of hard questioning, well, that just means that person IS FUCKING STUPID. She's the worst I have ever seen in any interview, just completely falls apart, unable to fathom that anyone would even ask her a question that suggests she is not a complete genius. Moron.

Isyaignert August 30, 2012 at 3:53 pm

'kna!

pdiddycornchips August 30, 2012 at 4:07 pm

Barry should invite her to dinner and serve braised mushroom clouds in aluminum tubes.

Chet Kincaid_ August 30, 2012 at 4:15 pm

I can't believe you left "yellow cake for dessert" on the table!

shelwood46 August 30, 2012 at 4:29 pm

Or as Condi calls it, "those cakes we like".

pdiddycornchips August 30, 2012 at 4:38 pm

Well played sir.

HempDogbane August 30, 2012 at 4:47 pm

Didn't W, running the first time, promise us a "hummus foreign policy"?

pdiddycornchips August 30, 2012 at 5:02 pm

And the winner for best food related jingolism goes to……Freedom Fries!!!!

Jus_Wonderin August 30, 2012 at 3:50 pm

If I watch Romney at all tonight, I am sure I will be screaming "Needz moar Alien chest busters!!!"

sullivanst August 30, 2012 at 4:53 pm

This is useful. Now, if I accidentally expose myself to that, my brain will drown it out with song:

♪♫ Hello ma baby,
Hello ma honey,
Hello ma ragtime gal♪♫

elviouslyqueer August 30, 2012 at 3:51 pm

It’s not a time to look back, it’s a time to look forward.

This from a woman who started her convention speech with a 9/11 anecdote.

It’s a question of what a President Romney would do

Oh please, Condi. At the first hint of any serious diplomatic drama, Romney would shit his pants like an incontinent toddler and head straight for his fortified bunker on Grand Cayman.

Doktor Zoom August 30, 2012 at 3:59 pm

"This from a woman who started her convention speech with a 9/11 anecdote"

Sad that I cannot possibly upfist this as much as it deserves.

pdiddycornchips August 30, 2012 at 4:11 pm

We know what he would do.

December GOP Debate regarding how America should handle Iran:

ROMNEY: "I'd get on the phone to my friend Bibi Netanyahu and say, 'Would it help if I said this? What would you like me to do?'

But he would say it forcefully, not with the mute button on.

Guppy August 30, 2012 at 3:51 pm

She always sounds ready to cry because her life lost all meaning after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

anniegetyerfun August 30, 2012 at 4:05 pm

Fortunately, Mittens is unaware that the USSR is gone, so she might have a job again.

Isyaignert August 30, 2012 at 3:52 pm

Have I told you lately how much I hate Republicons?

Geminisunmars August 30, 2012 at 4:39 pm

Do tell.

anniegetyerfun August 30, 2012 at 3:55 pm

"Well, for starters, Norah, a Romney administration will have its collective lips firmly locked around Israel's dick, starting on Day One. I've noticed that our current President has barely offered Israel a handjob, much less the kind of full on, deep-throated cocksucking a Republican administration will offer to our Zionist friends."

Doktor Zoom August 30, 2012 at 4:00 pm

I would imagine having a mouth full of Israeldick would mute our voice some.

prommie August 30, 2012 at 4:11 pm

Best best best comment ever in the history of the universe!

hagajim August 30, 2012 at 4:54 pm

Gargle gargle. I wonder if Mittens will need to take his majik undies off for the Israeli blowie?

Wilcoxyz August 30, 2012 at 3:57 pm

Yeah, during crises in W.'s term, Condi advised something in that whiny tone, and then Cheney told Bush to invade immediately. Guess who ran foreign affairs?

prommie August 30, 2012 at 4:07 pm

The token doesn't actually get to DO anything, silly. Thats like suggesting that the Queen plays any role in British foreign policy (except hating the Irish for killing her cousin maybe).

sullivanst August 30, 2012 at 5:05 pm

Queenie does actually play some role in British foreign policy. She is the one with whom the dignitaries wish to hobnob, and also the one that gets to sign stuff all fancy-like.

barto August 30, 2012 at 3:58 pm

I here she plays the piano pretty well. I can respect her for that, at least. Otherwise, she's pretty much a big disappointment.

johnnyzhivago August 30, 2012 at 4:00 pm

Even Mitt Romney will BOW TO ZOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MissTaken August 30, 2012 at 4:01 pm

Now watch this drive!

Callyson August 30, 2012 at 4:02 pm

there is no doubt that the United States’ voice has been muted

Oh FFS–ask Osama & Khadaffi about how silent we've been…

prommie August 30, 2012 at 4:04 pm

The fact that Romney and/or his people would choose Condi Rice to be his foreign policy credibility clown is actually the best most conclusive proof possible that Romney's foreign policy would be a total clusterfuck disaster. Might as well bring out Cheney.

FakaktaSouth August 30, 2012 at 4:15 pm

Dick Cheney would shoot you in the face and want an apology for comparing him to Ms Rice. I personally would like to see how fast Condi would punch that evil bastard in his government reconstructed chest if she had the chance. They do both blow however.

prommie August 30, 2012 at 4:29 pm

I want to write a one-person play called "Cheney in the Bushes," it would have an actor portraying Cheney just standing on stage half-hidden in some shrubbery, while maybe in the far distance there would be W standing at a podium saying something that would only be audible as noise, and the Cheney character would give a 90-minute monologue. That will be the tricky part, the 90 minute monologue.

FakaktaSouth August 30, 2012 at 4:34 pm

I think you might could probably come up with 90 minutes of angry, incoherent, evil grumbling. It's just making it evil ENOUGH that might be hard. I can usually imagine horrible shit I think people might say, but even I can't really get all the way down the Cheney hole.

prommie August 30, 2012 at 7:45 pm

It'd be kinda like the shit Hitler kept saying in that movie that everyone turned into a meme. Sociopathic shit about how every failure is the fault of everyone and anyone but himself

bobbert August 30, 2012 at 5:28 pm

I loved that photo.

Isyaignert August 30, 2012 at 8:00 pm

You are making me hot.

Jus_Wonderin August 30, 2012 at 4:07 pm

Is pointing out that Condi has a brown nose racist?

Isyaignert August 30, 2012 at 4:12 pm

Just imagine what Lawrence O'Donnell would have asked her!

SayItWithWookies August 30, 2012 at 4:17 pm

Condi was nothing more than a malleable apologist for the worst administration we've had since World War II in foreign policy. As NSA director she was a complete failure, neither able to prevent 9/11 or get anyone in the administration to care about it, nor able to get State and Defense and Cheney on the same page, which is the very definition of her job.

And this bullshit about not criticizing President Obama — well, if she thinks he's done lots of things right, then she should say so, and the same if she thinks he's done stuff wrong. And if she's had a change of heart about the Dubya administration but is too much of a chickenshit not to support a Republican now (which is what I think is happening) then all the more shame on her.

IonaTrailer August 30, 2012 at 4:26 pm

I'd love to see Colin Powell stand up at the DNC and tell the world how he was lied to by the Bush administration.

SayItWithWookies August 30, 2012 at 4:53 pm

He already did that in an interview a while ago — I think his pride would probably prevent him from fully acknowledging how much of a dupe he was though, but he was definitely mad about being deceived into giving that UN presentation about the secret chemical stores and all that.

It was a Barbara Walters interview on ABC — here's an NYT article about it.

prommie August 30, 2012 at 7:47 pm

I think he's been sending out that outspoken deputy of his to tell his story even more brutally and directly than in the Baba Wawa interview.

Blueb4sinrise August 30, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Monsieur_Grumpe August 30, 2012 at 4:25 pm

Why would anyone expect something useful from Condi who is only accomplished at doing nothing?

poorgradstudent August 30, 2012 at 4:49 pm

He'd blow up EVEN MORE browns, obv.

hagajim August 30, 2012 at 4:53 pm

when the United States’ voice is muted the world is a more dangerous place

A. Says who Condi? You? Fuck off and die! It was you and that dumbass Shrub who got us into a war we shouldn't have been in. Go play some fucking golf and shut up! It's you who needs muted.
B. Last time I checked the President negotiates trade agreements but its fucking Congress who ratifies them and we all know they haven't done shit in at least two years…these fuckers make my blood boil.

Isyaignert August 30, 2012 at 7:58 pm

Deep slow breaths. Deep slow breaths.

mustangsavvy August 30, 2012 at 5:00 pm

The voice quiver thing? Yeah, that's her inner Condi yelling "BITCH PLEASE!!!! It's not worth it!!! Don't DO IT HONEY!!!! Ah fuck. You did it."

I'm paraphrasing of course and this in no way comes from a real life experience in any shape or form.

larrykat August 30, 2012 at 5:01 pm

After last night's Speech of the Red Teeth, I am now certain that Condi is a lipstick lesbian.

No_Wire_Hangers August 30, 2012 at 5:01 pm
mustangsavvy August 30, 2012 at 5:02 pm

A reader on Andrew Sullivan's The Dish had this to say re. Condi Rice:

"There was a stanza that hit me very hard in former Secretary Rice's speech last night in Tampa:

A little girl grows up in Jim Crow Birmingham, the most segregated big city in America. Her parents can't take her to a movie theater or a restaurant. But they make her believe that even though she can't have a hamburger at the Woolworth's lunch counter, if she wants to, she can be president of the United States – and she becomes secretary of state.

Rice's resume includes an undergrad degree from the University of Denver, master's from Notre Dame, and Ph.D. from University of Denver. She now holds an academic position at top-flight Stanford University.

The point is: there is little difference in Rice's story and President Barack Obama's. Both are the ideal Republican narrative of triumphing despite considerable adversity (perhaps Obama'a even more so, being raised by grandparents and a single mother). The two figures both determined their own futures, worked hard as hell, and have changed the course of history. Yet when Obama tells his story, he's believed by many to be a foreigner with a faked birth certificate, a weak affirmative action beneficiary who can't give a speech without a teleprompter, and contemptible. When Rice tells her story she is greeted with raucous applause and old folks moved to tears.

I shook my head when I heard Rice tell her story, because despite it beauty and inspiration, Republicans don't care about stories like that unless they can use them for their own political grandstanding. I hear the stories of Barack and Condoleeza, and also the respective treatments of the military records of John McCain and John Kerry, and I vote Democrat."

Sir_Fartz_Alot August 30, 2012 at 5:24 pm

we must not allow a trade agreement deficit with red china

JackObin August 30, 2012 at 5:30 pm

Condi Rice? You have got to be kidding me. I know Republicans like liars, but she takes the yellow cake. A little humility would go a long way,"doctor" Rice.

Isyaignert August 30, 2012 at 7:56 pm

'cons NEVER EVER admit making a mistake. Evah!

BTW – "takes the yellow cake" – well played Jack, very well played!

natoslug August 30, 2012 at 6:06 pm

Great. More comments from the peanut gallery.

Lot_49 August 30, 2012 at 6:27 pm

It's wonderful when the few interviewers with any guts ask her why she supported the invasion of Iraq, and she says, "All the intel said Saddam had WMDs," as if that exonerates her. Why does anyone ever ask her anything else? And why don't they follow up with, "Okay, then why did you do such a shitty job collecting intel? And do you have any recollection of a guy on your staff named Richard Clark?"

LibertyLover August 30, 2012 at 6:56 pm

She was George W Bush's work wife, ferchristsake, and couldn't see what a buffoon he was, and she expects us to trust her judgment about Romney?

LibertyLover August 30, 2012 at 7:04 pm

This woman, who could not anticipate that planes would fly into buildings, in an administration that could not have anticipated levees breaching in NOLA (or anticipated anything else except the greed of Dick Cheney) wants us to believe that she can anticipate that Romney would be better on foreign policy than a proven leader like Barack Obama? Please.

Isyaignert August 30, 2012 at 7:51 pm

She's just another tool of the aristocrats who literally want to own the world. We're living in an 'effin' James Bond movie with real evil-doer sociopathic uber-rich fukheads who must be stopped from taking over our government.

Do NOT vote for any Republican. Ever. Again.

LibertyLover August 30, 2012 at 7:58 pm

No problem, the last time I voted for a Republican was in 1980.

ttommyunger August 30, 2012 at 7:23 pm

"Bowling! I meant he's lousy at Bowling." – Condi (BushPunch) Rice.

GeorgiaBurning August 30, 2012 at 8:11 pm

I was at a Condi talk a couple years ago. She had a great deal of situational Alzheimers' regarding the Bushie years and any question she or her handlers didn't like wasn't answered. She's a competent academic fundraiser and bureaucrat; good for gladhanding Stanford alums for cash, reading a few theses, and being the cover girl for the Harbor Freight catalog of cheap tools.

second_gen August 30, 2012 at 8:14 pm

"she sounds like she is just on the verge of bursting into tears. What is that about, anyway?"

Because, as she said, her parents taught her she could become President of the United States, but she only went on to be Secretary of State. She just wasn't good enough. boooo hoooo!

Terry August 30, 2012 at 9:07 pm

Condi Rice. Yes, the Soviet expert who really is pig ignorant about Russia. Yes, the national security advisor who didn't think a briefing saying bin Laden is determined to strike in the US was important enough to make a big deal over. Yes, she's the one you trust to judge potential in this subject area.

mosjef August 30, 2012 at 11:03 pm

She might not be able to recall any foreign policy gaffes of Barry's, but we sure as hell can recall plenty of hers. She's had more unmitigated disasters, dead ends and dead bodies than she's had foreign trim in 5-star hotels. She's perpetrated more ghastly crimes against humanity than any woman in history and now she's getting the rock star treatment from the Tampa troglodytes. Send a couple of cleaning ladies to her room and don't forget the Murphy''s Oil.

IndianaKevin August 31, 2012 at 7:32 am

The term "American exceptionalism" scares me. Is it a license for mass murder? Some exceptional Americans worked to establish this country (after we invaded it), but I don't see us doing much of a noble nature today.

fawkedifiknow August 31, 2012 at 3:19 pm

The honest to goodness truth is that she was the brains behind Bush's military and foreign policies, so that's that. No more needs to be said. This is who they are left with.
If the electorate has already forgotten how disastrous those years were, we're fucked but good.

VeraSevera August 31, 2012 at 6:24 pm

Unlike Obama, Romney will speak out forcefully on poorly organized Olympic games, without apologies. And the world will be safer place.

FakaktaSouth August 30, 2012 at 8:01 pm

Hmm. That sounds scarily familiar.

prommie August 30, 2012 at 9:47 pm

You know, I used to make a crusade of trying to make people understand what the phrase "the banality of evil" means. It means its actually commonplace. There are millions of Hitlers in the world. Its a mistake to think that Nazzism, racist genocide, any of the attributes of Nazi Germany, are any kind of special super-duper evil. Its a mistake to regard the Nazis and the holocaust as any kind of aberration, any kind of unusual or rare kind of evil.

prommie August 30, 2012 at 9:53 pm

The true fact is that there are many milions of people alive today fully capable of all the evil that Hitler perpetrated. The only thing special about Hitler is that he was able to gain control, political power, of a modern industrialized nation, and get so many to follow him. There are millions of Hitlers out there. There's nothing so special about his hate and murderousness. Its just that he was able to gain control of a nation with the technological and logisitic ability to mechanize murder on a modern industrial scale.

FakaktaSouth August 30, 2012 at 9:53 pm

I have told you before, one of the saddest things that ever happened to me in my life was realizing just exactly how easily something like what happened in Germany could happen. I used to tell myself as a kid that it was just an impossible notion specific to that particular time, truly unique to the war, something that we have "evolved" some way past. Knowing how wrong I was truly did sort of break something in my heart forever.

FakaktaSouth August 30, 2012 at 10:03 pm

Hella good at the talking thing from what I understand from South Park. He also had quite a dedicated little crew of thugs.

prommie August 30, 2012 at 10:22 pm

From what I seeof his close followers, Goebbels most of all, but all of them, were actually more mentally ill than he was. Think of a psychopath, surrounded by yes-men who were homicidal maniacs.
He went home every night and told Eva "but everybody says I should kill all the jews."

I do seriously think its a huge mistake to put Hitler on some kind of pedestal as some special rare kind of evil. He's only special because he attained the power to make his hate the policy of a powerful state.

FakaktaSouth August 30, 2012 at 10:31 pm

Joe Goebbels was the one who liked to do all the weird experiments, yes? He was the BIGGEST lunatic of them all if he's the one I am thinking of, like he was all kinds of repressed and fucked up (or not depending on other weird macho-gay-supreme-male-wouldn't even-fuck-a-girl-nazi things I've read)

halfspin August 31, 2012 at 4:22 am

How about putting those (hypothetical) Americans to work building things that are actually useful, like highways and trains? If we're funding the military just as a job program, we might as well pay them to dig holes in the ground and fill them up again. Or are you some kind of soshulist?

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