Real AmericanWhat are the latte-drinking liberals at NPR up to these days? Oh, just driving around in Real America trying to find out how Real Americans feel about the election. What are Real Americans thinking? What are their concerns? What do they want in a candidate? This is shocking but apparently Real Americans are thinking that America is turning into a “socialistic” paradise and are concerned that too many people are taking “handouts” so they will vote for Romney because he is going to decrease the size of government in vague and nonspecific ways. Also, it should be noted that  the “government programs” in which Real Americans are themselves enrolled are Different from “handouts” and thus not like socialism at all! See, the real problem is that so many Other People are living off the taxes of Real Americans and not working, or alternatively, acting like rational economic actors and discovering that their unemployment benefits pay more than the jobs available to them and are thus disinterested in looking for work.

“I’m not a big fan of how big the government’s gotten or how many people are living off the government now,” says [dairy farmer Charlie Knigge]. “And I understand people have hardships with the economy and everything else, but, to me, it’s — pretty soon, we’ve got to stand on our own feet and get up and get moving and not rely on somebody else helping us with that.

“I mean, America was founded on people getting up and going and making their own living and their own lifestyle. And I’m afraid we’ve gotten too far away from that.”

Knigge does get some help from the government in the form of farm subsidies.

“We’ve been enrolled in the government programs,” he says. “We don’t get a lot of government support, we get some…The way I look at it … we’ll take advantage of the programs that are offered, but it’s a very small portion of my income at all that comes from government subsidies or government programs,” he says. “The issue I have is when people’s primary income is money that comes from our taxes. I mean, I understand people can get welfare if they’re laid off of work, which is fine — helps some people, gives them some time to get back on their feet and find another job. But I’ve got some friends in other industries that they’re looking at hiring minimum wage or little better than that for just parking cars or working at a fast-food restaurant, something like that that they could have a job. But they’re making more money being on welfare than they would if they get a $10-, $12-an-hour job. To me, that’s not the mindset this country is built on and something that needs to be changed.”

See, the government has gotten “too big.” There are currently 4.4 million people on the welfare rolls, 46 million on Medicare, 9 million Pell Grant recipients, 53 million people collecting Social Security, and 45 million people on food stamps. WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS.

Probably some — who knows, maybe even most — of these tens of millions of people are “people [whose] primary income is money that comes from our taxes” and thus should be kicked out of these programs. Wouldn’t want to turn into a country that is “socialistic” because where would we end up then — no, sir, that’s not what America is about.


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  • anniegetyerfun

    If only we could export cognitive dissonance. We're so good at producing it!

    • MacRaith

      There's a worldwide glut in that market, alas.

    • Nibbler of Niblonia

      And naively credulous "reporting" that allows average joe dirtbags to say ridiculous things, unchallenged, on national radio programs! We'd all get rich!

    • Billmatic

      Also human blubber.

    • Willardbot9000_V2.5

      Oh shit we have more cognitive dissonance than industrial production, natural resources, nuclear waste, hillbilly fast food lard and religious stupidity combined. It's okay, real 'Merka has it covered…if they work hard enough they can create enough of a bubble-wrapped alternative reality that wingnuts need NEVER come into contact with facts (think white flight of the 70's…only now it's not just blahs it's logic too) which could 'confuse' 'em in to thinking Jesus didn't ride a T-Rex, god doesn't magically refill oil in the ground, global warming isn't a religion but is empirical, evolution is one of the most thorough scienitific discoveries ever and geology places the age of the Earth at 4 billion years and common sense proves it. That sort of stuff…

  • Tequila Mockingbird

    "I've been on food stamps and welfare, did anybody help me out? No!"
    ~ Craig T. Nelson

    Political irony: It’s only welfare if someone else receives it.

    • Beowoof

      Teabagger thought process, hey its okay when I need it, but when somebody else does they're just freeloading blah people.

    • See also the Onion:

      And this depressing example from Facebook:

      • bibliotequetress

        Running with the pee-in-a-jar business, there are few more pointless, stupid, meanspirited, judgmental, wasteful ways of blowing puiblic money than drug testing welfare recipients. Obviously these dipshits have no idea how much it would cost to run a random program so that, say, a mere million of the 4.4 million folks collecting welfare were tested over a twelve month period. Would someone like to tell me which diagnostics lab is behind the lobby for this? So that we can find out… what? That out of the many many poors in our welath country, a few people smoke up? If I had to worry about whether or not I could make rent, or if the reason my kids' teeth were falling out from a ramen-heavy diet, I'd take any drug I could lay my hands on.

        • Billmatic

          You know what's weird to me as well, that people on both sides seem to secretly love weed. The medical marijuana initiatives do not seem to pass according to the misleading red state/blue state principle: Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Montana, and I'll throw Michigan in there too since it's kind of a 50/50 state, like Colorado these days.

          I mean sure we don't want public funds to pay for heroin or cocaine addicts, but I think the very nature of those drugs will eventually lead to their personal ruin with or without federal assistance.

        • Most common comment: "If I have to pee in a jar for work, they can pee in a jar to NOT work!"

          This is an excellent example of "not even wrong."

    • An_Outhouse

      Nobody knows teats better than a dairy farmer.

    • UnholyMoses

      Political irony: It’s only welfare if someone else blah receives it.

      Fixed to match what Real 'Mericans actually think.

      • chicken_thief

        Don't fergit all the illegal messicans living high on the hog off food stamps, unemployment, etc and just laying around having anchor babies left and right with our free medical care.

        • UnholyMoses

          The important thing: Should we call them "brahs"?

          Or is there some other pithy term we can use?

    • L_Daddy

      You mean it's only welfare if black people or Hispanics or women receive it.

    • Willardbot9000_V2.5

      Yes, well you're missing one essential piece….it's only welfare if someone dark receives it…one of 'those people' a blah or a meh. When a real 'Merkan gets it, well theyse just takin' advantage of programs that are offered…but when one of those people get it, well that's just enabling already shiftless, lazy children to become addicted (we know how those dark people like drugs after all…) to government support so theyse never become responsible people like the white real 'Merkans who use the programs. Polling data of teabaggers practically screams this…

  • anniegetyerfun

    Also, too: I'm pretty sure that welfare pays out less than a minimum wage job.

    • OzoneTom

      If we could get these guys to back a law to "only" pay aid recipients the equivalent of a full-time minimum wage job that would be something.

      Until they realized that would be an increase for the undeserving and a decrease for themselves.

  • Knigge: I get farm subsidies, but Bootstraps!

    • Lascauxcaveman

      It's those damn corn and tobacco farm subsidies that are ruining America!

    • hagajim

      I just love it when these assholes say they will take advantage of anything that's available, but nobody else should….stupid fuck. Hey Knigge, drop your farmer welfare if you can do it without. What? You don't wanna take a pay cut – well fuck off!!!

      • Billmatic

        But he is among the best at not growing alfalfa. He gets up very early in the morning every day to prepare for a long day not growing alfalfa.

      • Butch_Wagstaff

        Gettin' subsidies and, not only that, probably paying those "illegals" to work on his farm for pennies.
        As I once overheard a tobacco farm owner say: "Imma goin' hire me some Mexicans to work this season. They work hard for next to nothin',"

    • Yeah, and I hope he enjoys paying 3 to 7 times what he paid last year for hay. Really I just hope he loses his fucking farm and gets to live high off the hog on food stamps and odd jobs. Hopefully one of his friends will let him park cars or bus tables.

      Is anyone else getting a little bitter and twisted over all this bullshit? I seem to be in a perpetual snit.

    • bobbert

      Let them eat subsidies.

  • HempDogbane

    Fact: You can use Kool Aid to tie dye your shirt so you will be more recognizable as a Commie, or Wavy Gravy.

    • sewollef

      Shouldn't that be tie die…. if you're planning on becoming a commie hippie liberal.

  • Callyson

    I’ve got some friends in other industries that they’re looking at hiring minimum wage or little better than that for just parking cars or working at a fast-food restaurant, something like that that they could have a job. But they’re making more money being on welfare than they would if they get a $10-, $12-an-hour job.

    Um, unless they live in NY or SF (unlikely, since NPR went to "real America," minimum wage is *not* $12 – $12 an hour.


    • In fairness, in plenty of places across America, fast food restaurants actually have to pay more than minimum wage because the labor market is so scarce.

      Of course, that sort of pops his argument in the nuts and leaves it writhing on the ground in agony

  • OzoneTom

    But, but — they built it themselves!

  • Schmannnity

    I am honored to not only pay taxes for milk subsidies, farmer Knigge, I am also delighted to pay for the artificially inflated price at the store. No offense though, I am more proud to pay to subsidize billionaire sugarcane farmers so they can pollute the Everglades, which I also enjoy paying to clean up.

    • SoBeach


      • Capitalistic!

        • Laissez fairies!

          DEIT: I'm shocked that one never occured to me before but that's going into a column about Romneyonomics soon

    • One_who_wanders

      You left out the multiple wars we are happy to be paying for!

      • HistoriCat

        Is that a Predator Drone in your pocket or are you just happy to pay for the wars?

        • Billmatic

          It's actually a weapon of mass destruction, since you asked.

  • Pragmatist2

    I believe that saying people whose income is low but whose "primary income" is from government handouts are bad but people who make huge amounts but whose primary source is not the government are good, is an example of critical thinking, which is just another word for Communism.

    • Geminisunmars

      Everyone knows being critical is not nice.

  • SoBeach

    What's stopping those lazy poor people from buying a dairy farm before getting their government handouts? Hmmmm?

  • Beowoof

    Real Americans keep saying things that make me think they are real dumb.

  • WhatTheHeck

    I’ll tell you what I want in a candidate: a Brain, a Heart and Courage.

    But the we are not in Kansas anymore, are we?

    • Not in the Governor's office, anyway.

    • LibertyLover

      Does your candidate have to wear the blue checkered dress and ruby slippers?

    • What did Toto get?

      I mean, besides a set of handlebars up his ass?

      • WhatTheHeck

        Well, he was the one who pulled back the curtain to reveal the Republicans blowing a lot of smoke up people’s ass with a lot of shouty words..

      • MosesInvests

        Well, whatever he got, he still misses the rains down in Africa.

    • hagajim

      I sure as hope to fuck not. Kansas is deep in the heart of teatard land.

    • Negropolis

      We should thank our lucky stars that we aren't in Kansas, now or ever before, because they are still burning women for being witches, down there.

  • Eve8Apples

    If I receive a government check it is called "economic development" and my tax credits and tax deductions are my reward for being "a job creator." If you receive a government check or tax assistance, you are a lazy, cheating, socialist, librule, Messican communist.

  • So at most maybe 12% of Americans are on some form of government assistance (and I wouldn't count Medicare or SSI since that's OUR FUCKING MONEY we deposited with the government)

    I'd wager 100% of dairy farmers get gobumint handouts.

    • Steverino247

      And yet the price for a gallon of milk is about what you pay for a gallon of gasoline.

      • Well, now, come on! Corn prices are skyrocketing because of the drought! That means we need to give cattle farmers more subsidies!

        Besides, you ever try to bake a cake with unleaded regular?

        • hagajim

          Cows aren't supposed to eat corn, they're ruminants for hell sake.

        • glasspusher

          Once, but I burned it….

    • dbark

      Totally wrong, and a common misconception. SSI and Medicare are not savings accounts, but programs where workers of today pay for the currently old and sick. Think of it as paying to take care of your grandparents, with knowledge that someday the grandkids will take care of you. You do contribute and receive benefits from SSI based on contribution levels, but that is a formula, not strict accounting. Medicare has no equivalence of money paid in vs benefits paid out, neither real nor implied.

  • These crampy, self-righteous walking contradictions are almost as good at abstractifying yonder people-fallen-on-hard-times into a convenient scapegoat, as they are abstractifying their Lord God A'mighty into a convenient crutch.

  • Oblios_Cap

    “I mean, America was founded on people getting up and going and making their own living and their own lifestyle. And I’m afraid we’ve gotten too far away from that.”

    Well, besides stealing other peoples' land, using the institution of slavery to drive economic growth, and bubble economics, bootstrapping is what made this country great.

    • LastGasp

      Don't forget highly speculative investments and predatory lending. It's the (Wall Street) American way!

    • mbobier

      Not to mention the land grants by which the 19th-century Federal government gave land to people to induce them settle the West. And most of those people were…. farmers. Whoops.

    • One_who_wanders

      And after slavery there was all that cheap imported labor . . .

    • zippy_w_pinhead

      Yeah, it's not like those people at Jamestown had to rely on any help from others- no socialism for them!

  • This story could only be funnier if there was an "r" at the end of his name

  • PhilippePetain

    The Knigges are ruining our once-great country!

  • Taylormattd

    Listen, he’s not talking about real Americans when he is complaining of those who over-rely on government, he’s simply referring to Blah people, ok?

  • LibertyLover

    Damn that Social Security for keeping 20 million people out of poverty every year. Those people should just go and get a job as a greeter at Walmart or something.

    • Pithaughn

      A R winger told me today , after I held the door open for him, that I would be a good greeter. Ha, jokes on him, me and my intern just racked up several hundred dollars of billable time , fixing their stupid mistakes they made trying to "improve" their data network. Let me tell you pal, what I do is magic as far as you are concerned and that's why we charge $175/hour!!

  • Oblios_Cap

    . But they’re making more money being on welfare than they would if they get a $10-, $12-an-hour job. To me, that’s not the mindset this country is built on and something that needs to be changed.”

    But damn it, we won't unionize and work to get better wages! NoSiree, that's just unAmerican!

  • IncenseDebate

    Real America kinda sucks a lot.

  • Ironically, here NPR is giving Wingnuts yet another reason to to scream "Defund NPR!!1!1!"

    • OkieDokieDog

      I listened to a small family owned farmer cry today on Talk Of The Nation. I cried with him.

  • Callyson

    Now, why is the idea of a recipient of dairy farm subsidies being a raging hypocrite when it comes to government assistance familiar? Oh yeah:

    Michele Bachmann Lies About Profiting From Govt Subsidized Dairy Farm

  • shiningmathpath


  • zumpie

    I've now worked for two companies that were owned by very conservative, tax hating Republicans. In both cases the bulk of their revenue came from tax payer dollars (one was a tech school that aggressively pursued financial aid money, the other is child care whose clientelle is at least 25% state funded recipients). No, thye've never, ever seen a flicker of irony or hypocrisy in any of this.

    Also, I routinely meet winguts who bitch about paying taxes and literally 5 minutes later bitch about the lack of free services they're receiving.

    • LastGasp

      I also had a job working for a private school that aggressively pursued financial aid. Their students could earn a near-worthless certificate and be burdened with massive debt. And the real kicker was that the owners were die-hard evangelistic Christians.

      • zumpie

        LastGasp, I wish I could suspect we worked for the same employer, but sadly this is incredibly common! I also appeared to be the only employee there who recognized just what a scam the place was. Everyone else thought it was glorious (and had worked there forever, for next to nothing).

    • Billmatic

      I worked for a medicaid billing company that scooped 8% of medicaid funds (that we billed) for special education programs at public schools that the CEO then used to build a retirement home and same thing. He moved the office to a converted ranch house south of the town that I live in to avoid paying taxes, and had a well on the property so we didn't even have to pay for water. There was the NFIB newsletters on the john that relentlessly bagged on obama and the health care act and this that and the other thing and i'm just like…our entire company leeches off the federal government.

      It was all fairly amazing to me.

    • HA! me too!!

      my last (freak show of a) job was also with a gov't / tax hatin republican. and they too were sucking at the gov't teat (Medicare consultants).

      the most hateful bunch of people i've ever worked with.

      seems to be a trope.

  • barto

    The absolute maximum amount of welfare you can get in Santa Barbara county is about $640/month, that's if you jump through every hoop, single with kids, etc. So yeah, why take that 10-12 $/hr job when you can literally be rolling in it while painting your nails and catching the soaps. It's simple MATH, people!

    • Serolf_Divad

      Yup, that's a $10.00 an hour job, all right… if you work 15 hours a week.

    • anniegetyerfun

      $4 an hour! That's a good fucking living!

      • chicken_thief

        If you really like hobo beans. Occasionally.

    • CommieLibunatic

      These pig-fuckers probably think they compensate you well for jury duty, too.

      From what I understand, out here in Cali that amounts to about $2.3 an hour, including compensation for driving to the courthouse in that labyrinthine fuckpile known colloquially as downtown Santa Ana.

      (34 cents per mile at 10 miles = $3.4)
      ($15 per day served + mileage = 18.4)
      (18.4 / 8 hours of listening to some WASP claim he hurt his back = $2.3)

      • bobbert

        And that only starts on the second day. The first day is your contribution to society.

    • Negropolis

      What a snob!

  • Woodshedding

    FACT: It's the Poor People who have all the money.
    FACT: I have no idea what "1%" means.

  • "They're talking about the Liberals. Not us!"

  • I guess Mr. Knigge has yet to have his dairy farm bought out from under him, over-leveraged and loaned back to him for him to buy back but with twice the mortgage and half the income, like has happened with some of real America that's crossed paths with Bain Capital. Because you know leveraged buyouts are what made America great.

    • hagajim

      No, but he prolly acquired it from his Daddy, who got it from his grandpappy, who was willed it by great-grandpappy, who got it through a government land grant (free), after they killed the natives so he could settle and farm…stupid fucks all of em.

  • MissTaken

    “We’ve been enrolled in the government programs,” he says. “We don’t get a lot of government support, we get some…

    It's okay baby, I'm a only gonna put the tip in. Not a lot, just some. Besides doctors say you can't get legitimately pregnant from just the tip.

    • SorosBot

      But can it get you just a little bit pregnant?

      • MissTaken

        There's nothing legitimate about being a little bit pregnant.

    • Guppy

      Besides doctors say you can't get legitimately pregnant from just the tip.

      Not back there you can't.

  • LibertyLover

    Natural born People need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Subsidies and government programs are only for those corporate persons that don't need subsidies… like oil Companies. Can't you see how much they are hurting?

  • I blow my nose at you, so-called Obama President, you and all your silly Farmer Knigges!

    • MosesInvests

      Now go away, or Ah shall taunt yew a second tahm!

  • If it wasn't for the Government we'd all be drinking Chinese Milk!

  • Ol' front-butt and enormous guy on his 'puter don't inspire the nausea like this lady.
    Also inspiring is the "lying African" one, or the charmer with the "purple heart" band-aid.

  • Serolf_Divad

    What do you think it would take an inner city child to earn enough money so that he could move out to the country, buy himself 300 to 400 acres of prime farmland, and equipment so he could have the bare minimum to even begin to think about starting to receive government agricultural subsidies?

    So yeah, you're a farmer. Yeah, you work hard all day in the sun. I understand that. But fuck you if you think some kid born in the inner city is just lazy and passing up the opportunities that you were handed by dint of being born on your daddy's farm. You got your 40 acres and a mule the day your mommy squeezed her butt cheeks tight and shot you out onto the hospital bed. He never got his.

    • CommieLibunatic

      As an aforementioned city kid, you guys are welcome for the roads and power grid we all use every day. Well, everyone but the hillbillies in Bent Amrpit, Wyoming, who don't even have running water.

  • coolhandnuke

    The Kool-Aid pitcher man eating a Chick-Fil-A sandwich while riding a hoveround and shopping for guns at Wal-Mart is the symbol of Reel Merikah.

    • BornInATrailer

      Ohh yeah!

    • OkieDokieDog

      I drove by a Chick-Fil-A today and flipped 'em the bird.

  • SorosBot

    Um, a lot of those people are on unemployment insurance, not welfare but a program you pay into; that's certainly the case if they are getting more than minimum wage.

    • Lot_49

      Exactly, just like disability insurance, workmanship comp, Medicare and Soshecurity. Agricultural price supports, on the other hand, are pure welfare, Farmer Kniggah.

    • Biel_ze_Bubba

      Try living high on the hog on $400 a week in NYC. That's the max you can get on unemployment, and it's about 1/2 of the average rent.

  • Penis_Vagina

    Here's the thing Charlie Knigge, you take money from the taxpayers via your farm subsidies. I don't take any free money from the governemnt, and I work my ass off all day. Go right ahead criticize your fellow parasites, but please do realize this: you are one of them.

  • Lifestyles of the stupid and clueless!

  • KeepFnThatChicken

    Rep. Stephen Fincher (R – Frog Jump, TN [8]).

    He's received three million dollars from the gummint in farming subsidies, and ran as a "conservative for Congress"… highest grossing farmer earning subsides, that is.

    (thank you, Alex Pareene)

  • vag

    Knigge please. You're just a blah person in disguise.

  • Jus_Wonderin

    I heard this yesterday. I should have sent a tip. But, I guess the gist is for this guy is that "it's okay if I take the money, but not for anyone else to."

    So, fuck him.

    • widestanceromance

      Yeah, we commenters sort of handled this yesterday on our own.

  • Fox n Fiends

    But Bocephus said that Obummer HATES farmers! How can that man be STILL getting Kenyan dollars????

  • Mr. Really Stupid Dairy Farmer Guy – Real Man of Genius

  • elviouslyqueer

    Judging from her picture, I'm sure Judith Koeppl (owner of Judy's South of the Border "diner on wheels") will be rasping a different tune when she's in need of Medicaid to cover her emphysema, COPD, and Stage 4 lung cancer.

    • Jus_Wonderin

      "…rasping a different tune…"


  • Another Real 'Murka Jerka.

  • owhatever

    I believe America needs economic revival, so I will vote for the white guy.

  • So the real lesson is that "Real" US Amercians are selfish assholes and suffer mental R-word-dation.

    • bobbert


  • An_Outhouse

    Nobody can suck a teat like a dairy farmer.

    • chicken_thief

      MARCUS LIBELZ!!!!!

      Oh, wait… you said "teat"… never mind.

  • AncienReggie

    I can't help but think that, if America was truly a socialist paradise, I wouldn't have to try to make a pack of razor blades last a full year. But hey, at least my job pays about a two hundred a month more than unemployment did.

  • Jus_Wonderin

    I have a close family member that rails against the lazy Nwords and Welfare. Yet, he has taken bankruptsy and is probably headed there again, for just normal, stupid overspending.

    I don't even try to suggest the irony of this. I just won't waste my time.

  • MinAgain

    I heard that feature, and my jaw made a noticeable thunk as it hit the floor.

  • UnholyMoses

    Did the interviewer from Nice Polite Republicans ever mention to these dipshits that our government is the smallest it's been in the past 40 years?

    Or is math still too liberal for NPR?

  • proudgrampa

    Here, Charlie. Take one of my unemployment check stubs, roll it up real tight, and shove it where the sun don't shine.

  • le petit mort

    "There are currently 4.4 million people on the welfare rolls, 46 million on Medicare, 9 million Pell Grant recipients, 53 million people collecting Social Security, and 45 million people on food stamps."

    46M and 53m? It ain't the welfare or the students bankrupting Americuh, it's the olds.

  • There is no better life than the one you can live on food stamps and welfare. I'm pretty sure that if we raise taxes a few percentages to the level that they were during Bill Clinton, most of the 1% (who make money off their labor, and not dividends or their trust account), will quit their jobs and take welfare because it is so much better.

  • Kid_Charlemagne

    Thank you! I thought I was the only one whose blood pressure spiked after hearing these nitwits on NPR!

  • fatbob54

    Wisconsin dairy farmers received 1 billion dollars from the gov. between 1995 and 2011

    • zippy_w_pinhead

      just saw your link, GMTA

  • Drakakis

    If someone on Welfare in the U.S. makes $10-$12 an hour, I may just move south! Up here in the socialist haven of Canada, I get a disability pension (for COPD) equal to about $6 an hour. 'Course I also have free health care, free dental care, free pharmacre, free vision care, free public transportation, and affordable social housing. On second thought, cancel the movers.

  • Fun fact: there are (even now) more Americans subscribed to World of Warcraft than there are who list "Farmer" as their primary source of income. And yet, when seeking the opinion of the salt-of-the-earth "Average American", no journalist ever thinks to go get the word on the streets of Orgrimmar.

  • pdiddycornchips

    Corporations like Duke Energy, GE, Verizon, Wells Fargo and over a dozen others managed to pay zero in taxes last year. If you want to find scapegoats for our two decade long descent into feudalism, let's start with these parasites. A simple re-engineering of the corporate tax code could reduce the long term deficit and provide job opportunities for millions of displaced people who find themselves no longer economically viable. We won't do that because these corporations lavish millions of dollars on our elected officials in Washington who do not want to see the giant money hose aimed in their direction turned off. We're subsidizing the economies of China and India and other low wage countries through the corporate tax code. But Charlie doesn't care about that. Charlie is walking, talking example of what's wrong with this country. He repeats bullshit he hears on Fox or Limbaugh and is impervious to rational dialogue about the role of government. Charlie has been told that the solution to our economic woes involves everyone working at McDonalds or as greeters at the local Walmart. Charlie has no idea how economies work.

  • Pithaughn

    Here's the deal farmers. We pay taxes, you get farm subsidies and an FDA that actively promotes your product even though for most people it is essentially poison.
    In return we get some stability in the price of Asiago and Ice Cream. So quit yer yapping, soon or later we will all realize it is a SCAM, and then you will be looking for a job.

  • proudgrampa

    "There are currently 4.4 million people on the welfare rolls, 46 million on Medicare, 9 million Pell Grant recipients, 53 million people collecting Social Security, and 45 million people on food stamps."

    You know, these numbers are not necessarily additive. For example, 46 million Medicare and 53 million SS recipients would not equal 99 million, as some subset of these participate in both programs.

    Government is a lot smaller than it looks!

    • bobbert

      Almost all Medicare recipients are SS recipients. The "full-retirement" age for me (born in 47) is only 66. And anyone on Medicare because of disability is also on SS disability.

  • soojank

    did y'all hear the the other featured Real American who is uninsured but hates Obamacare because freedom?

    I think he said that if he has to go to a nursing home, his kids would take care of him. if i was one of his kids, i would have him buy insurance from an exchange asap. that shit's expensive even when you have insurance.

    anyways, it made me almost as ragey as the dairy farmer.

  • bibliotequetress

    One of the interviewees on this program was a guy working at a food stand at a state fair. His wife had quit her job to start the food cart, then he was fired from his. The food cart is there sole income now. She is a vet so has VA coverage, he is now uninsured. He sounded middle aged. I can't remember his exact words but he vented against Obamacare for a while, about how unAmerican being forced to buy health insurance is. He said he's in good health and shouldn't be forced to buy insurance.

    I feel for the guy losing his job. But whenever I hear the "I don't need no stinking health coverage, if I get sick I'll pay the doctor cash," I just want to dopeslap the fool spewing it. And, yeah, I get that our current payment system can be so complex that many people truly have no clue what medical treatment costs. But, you know, before I'd put my big mouth on a national radio show gassing about how I don't need insurance, I'd figure out if actually I needed insurance.

    Yes, buddy, you do.


    • daddylove

      Chances are that under the ACA he will not have to pay a cent for insurance due to subsidies for the low-income. So that's how well people understand it. But they will.

    • bobbert

      It sounded like (from the transcript) his wife kind of understands this, but she's still gonna vote Rmoney because …. actually this part was a bit unclear. Maybe habit, maybe the Prez is still black, maybe deferring to her idiot husband, (maybe fibbing?).

      • bibliotequetress

        Yeah, when the reporter asked them who they support, and that awkward exchange occured when the wife said Romney and the reporter said something like, "Looks like you let the cat out of the bag," I could almost hear her husband glaring at her. When someone uses such transparantly disprovable reasons to argue against Obama, unless the speaker is unquestionably dumb– and I mean actually clinically stupid, not "Nyah nyah you're stupid" stupid– I pretty much conclude that racism or some other form of bigotry is why. No one with two connecting brain cells can remain utterly ignorant nowadays unless it's by choice. I don't care if he has no computer and no daily paper. I'm betting he has TV, probably cable, and to be so freaking clueless is an act of will.

  • zippy_w_pinhead
    • JohnyEdge

      So over the last 14 years, he's averaged $21,717.28 in government subsidy payments. Coincidentally, that's almost the same yearly amount that a three-person household could collect in welfare benefits in Texas.

      But TANF is limited to a lifetime total of 60 months.

  • Billmatic

    hey i was getting like 200 a week on welfare, which made me think sitting around the house was better than working at mcdonalds but who are these kings and queens of amerrica that are making 12/hourly from unemployment? am i doing it wrong?

  • glasspusher

    Nobody knows how to milk the system like a dairy farmer.

    Whoops, Outhouse, above…

  • BZ1

    Where's this "Real" America?

  • Troubledog

    The only reason the dairy industry exists is government subsidy and price support.

    He must know that, right?

  • Negropolis

    “We’ve been enrolled in the government programs,” he says. “We don’t get a lot of government support, we get some…The way I look at it … we’ll take advantage of the programs that are offered, but it’s a very small portion of my income at all that comes from government subsidies or government programs,” he says.

    If it's really such a small part of your income, you won't mind not applying for that money when and leave it for someone that actually needs it when it comes back up, right?

    Fuck you. Sorry; I simply can't be any more graceful than that. Honestly, Santorum summed this up perfectly when he said:

    "I don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money…"

    This is all that there is. This is the "there" there.

  • Allmighty_Manos

    “We’ve been enrolled in the government programs,” he says. “We don’t get a lot of government support, we get some." That pretty much describes anyone on food stamps, welfare, or those receiving Social Security and Medicare you arrogant douchebag.

  • eaglewon

    there is no way you can get 12 bucks an hour on welfare. The maximum is around $500 per month for single person, which is about 3 bucks an hour.

  • humpback

    “The issue I have is when people’s primary income is money that comes from our taxes. "

    Why does he hate the troops?

  • TribecaMike

    If we would just get rid of the military, the number of families receiving food stamps would be greatly reduced. Problem solved, hippies!

  • ttommyunger

    Poors and unemployed get chickenfeed compared to the subsidies, write-offs and bail-outs sucked up by the MegaCorp Fat Cats, but they aren't blah, are they?

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