YOU DIDN'T BAKE THAT  4:30 pm August 16, 2012

Did The Secret Service Thank This Wingnut Baker For ‘Standing Up’?

by Jim Newell

EhhBy now many of you are familiar with the story of the greatest motherfucking American of all time, Chris McMurray, the Virginia bakery owner who turned down a requested stop from Vice President Biden yesterday over President Obama’s “YOU DINNT BUILD THAT” comment. He did build it, see! He makes cupcakes and stuff, with his wife, at Crumb and Get It. (McMurray/Santelli ’16?) Anyway, there’s a side detail reported in one version of this story that is now all over the conservative papers and the Drudge Report. According to the Washington Examiner, the “Secret Service officers associated with Vice President Joe Biden bought a pile of cupcakes from the baker who refused to host Biden at his shop — and they did so out of gratitude.” Maybe they did! Maybe they didn’t? Because making personal political statements against the people you’re on duty to protect doesn’t seem to be in the Secret Service agent job description; it would be a strange risk to take.

Here’s the detail as reported by the local WDBJ news station. The sourcing seems questionable, since there is no source whatsoever:

Here’s the back story, we’re told that shortly after Crumb and Get It told Biden’s advance people ‘no’ — the secret service walked in and told Chris McMurray ”Thanks for standing up and saying ‘no’ — then they bought a whole bunch of cookies and cupcakes.

Maybe they just bought things for the inconvenience of having to be interrupted by an advance team? Or maybe they actually said it! Paging supervisor…

[WDBJ via Washington Examiner]

 

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rockyoumonkeys August 16, 2012 at 4:33 pm

Didn't happen. Hookers in foreign lands I'll believe. This, not so much. This clown might have said no to Biden, but anything that happened after that was a little daydream he had in his head afterwards.

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2012 at 5:18 pm

The Washington Examiner, I'm told, is a worthless, lying, right-wing rag.

anniegetyerfun August 16, 2012 at 5:32 pm

Have they denied it? I don't think they've ever denied it.

Designer_Rants August 16, 2012 at 7:15 pm

They're all pig fuckers too. Or so I heard, from an undisclosed source.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 7:21 pm

There are some very angry pigs here to see you.

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 1:18 am

they've never disproven it.
It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

Callyson August 16, 2012 at 6:16 pm

So the Moonies at the Washington Times have a competitor now? Let the infighting begin!

bibliotequetress August 16, 2012 at 7:37 pm

Pig fuckers and Moonies!! Can we now get our invites to the mass beastiality weddings the DOMA twits warned about?

CthuNHu August 16, 2012 at 5:32 pm

Ah, the old Chik-Fil-A gambit:

"Crumb and Get It" in Radford had to shut down at 1:15 p.m. Thursday because they ran out of food.

1: Be asshole.
2: Brag about it.
3: Profit!!!

viennawoods13 August 16, 2012 at 5:55 pm

Great comment from a local on that link:
"No one likes this family; they are media whores; they are always out to play the sympathy card. Yes I respect him for standing up for his beliefs, but he fact that hes a McMurray screws that."

Not_So_Much August 16, 2012 at 5:39 pm

At least he stopped with cupcakes and didn't go on about how he went ninja on their asses and punched one of them so hard that Ol' Joe threw up.

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 1:20 am

"As soon as we get there, I'm gonna take that gun off him, and then wipe the floor with him" — Bernie X, "Confessions of a NYC Cab Driver"

PsycWench August 16, 2012 at 6:14 pm

I have actually eaten there and it's nothing special. This happened…it's in all the local news… but it probably delayed the inevitable closure by a month. They may have gotten some local wing nuts but they've alienated 80% of the Radford University faculty.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:35 pm

You make me so very happy. Not because I wish them ill. But because there is hope for this country if people this small and hateful feel a backlash from their community for their small and hateful acts.

bibliotequetress August 16, 2012 at 7:38 pm

Mittborg, you sweetie! I wish them ill.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 7:53 pm

Aw, I'm just trying to reduce the number of times I have to come back as a cockroach, darlz. (Hugs you anyway)

PsycWench August 16, 2012 at 8:43 pm

I promise to post the link when they close. My prediction is sometime next summer. Radford is a college town and it clears out in May. A business that wants to stay can't be pissing off the faculty.

miss_grundy August 16, 2012 at 8:54 pm

I lived in a small college town once upon a time, and you can't piss off the faculty or staff of a university and think you will stay in business, let alone pissing off the student population.

And by giving the finger to the VP you are only showing everyone that you are a stupid asshat.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 9:05 pm

Some of the comments on that site seemed to indicate that the owner and his wife aren't the pure-as-the-driven-snow types people seem to think they are. FWIW, Mr. Cookieman claims membership in the Hokie People. Too perfect.

noodlesalad August 16, 2012 at 4:34 pm

Coincidentally the bakery's offerings include tarts, ho-hos, and prostitutes.

BornInATrailer August 16, 2012 at 4:39 pm

You left out pie!

ManchuCandidate August 16, 2012 at 4:47 pm

Flaky stale pie.

Fare la Volpe August 16, 2012 at 11:03 pm

Crusted over.

Lionel[redacted]Esq August 16, 2012 at 4:50 pm

Virginia is for lovers.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 5:32 pm

Of *what,* we won't say.

Fare la Volpe August 16, 2012 at 11:03 pm

Diabeetus.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 11:10 pm

Where have you been, you demon child? (Kisses the ginger head fondly)

Are the boys not leaving you alone long enough to get any vituperating done?

WhatTheHeck August 16, 2012 at 5:19 pm

wot? no sticky buns?

12X34X August 16, 2012 at 5:42 pm

prostitartlettes.

iburl August 16, 2012 at 11:18 pm

a bit o crumpet?

MissTaken August 16, 2012 at 4:34 pm

What a crumby thing to do to Handsome Old Joe.

Baconzgood August 16, 2012 at 4:35 pm

Is me? I don't understand.

smokefilledroommate August 16, 2012 at 4:38 pm

Dude declined to host Biden at his stupid fucking bakery, Secret Service agents then allegedly bought an assload of baked goods from said bakery to support bakery asshole's decision.

Baconzgood August 16, 2012 at 4:40 pm

Maybe I'm not drunk enough yet. But I don't see this as news. I don't think the Secrete Service has political issues regarding the people they protect.

smokefilledroommate August 16, 2012 at 4:41 pm

Maybe they just really like cupcakes.

MissTaken August 16, 2012 at 4:42 pm

That's why it's obviously a bs story. Maybe the Secret Service agents were hungry and decided to buy some some cookies and cupcakes, but the whole "thanks for standing up and saying no" line smells fishy.

SorosBot August 16, 2012 at 4:55 pm

It seems more likely that Joe really wanted some motherfuckin' cupcakes, and so sent the agents to get them for him after the asshole owner refused.

sullivanst August 16, 2012 at 5:20 pm

Seems more likely a couple of guys in suits bought some cupcakes, this guy posted about it in WND comments, the other commenters were all like "dude, those guys were totally Secret Service, fershure" and also like "thanks for standing up", and his poor little deranged brain got a confuze.

Estproph August 16, 2012 at 5:17 pm

See, the Secret Service is made up of Real Americans, and they resent having to work for a sekrit Muslin alein commonist soshilust facist neeeeeeeegra and his pet white man. So they secretly went afterwards to his business because Uncle Joe would have them sent to Siberia if he knew, because it would be a public insult and derail the eeevul worldwide Commonist conspiracy to take away all our guns and make us sleep with lesbians if word got out.

Toomush_Infer August 16, 2012 at 5:31 pm

Omigod – the sleeping with lesbians part, is that with one eye open….?

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 5:33 pm

Um, so, where does one sign up for this "sleeping with lesbians" thing? Because I got dibs on Ellen.

miss_grundy August 16, 2012 at 8:57 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the secret service were republicans and tea tards since most of these guys leave the military and sign up for duty in this agency. Considering how they act in foreign countries, I wouldn't be surprised if they did do this. It shows they have no respect for themselves or others.

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 2:29 am

I don't know what sort of screening process they use when hiring Secret Service agents, but you'd have to be a weapon-quality dumb-ass to speak badly about your famous boss in public. I'd like to think anybody that stupid got ruled out long before they had a chance of getting hired to protect the President and Vice-President.

I think Estproph had it right — people like the asshole baker think that military and Secret Service personnel all hate Obama, just like he does, because they're by-God Real Amurricans [tm]! They thought that about Clinton, too.

CthuNHu August 16, 2012 at 5:00 pm

meme: people wit teh guns no like teh blah guy & sidekick joe

arduinohacker August 16, 2012 at 4:35 pm

Giving the Secret Service the benefit of the doubt, maybe going there would have been a big headache for the Secret Service, like maybe the place is between a crack house and a firing range? Just guessin'. Otherwise, they shouldn't have done that.

Toomush_Infer August 16, 2012 at 5:31 pm

er maybe they were just assessing the threat level….?….

just_a_head August 17, 2012 at 2:14 am

That's what I was thinking. "thanks for saying no [so I didn't have to stand in back alley inhaling your overflowing dumpster for three hours.]"

Thanks for saying no and making it easier to add you to our watch list.

Thanks for saying no, bc the Vice-Pres has wicked lactose-intolerant gas and I don't want to stand behind that.

The Secret service would never talk shit on a protectee like that. It increases the chance of some wing nut thinking he's got a better chance at hurting him. Therefore increasing the chance of a SSA getting shot.

IonaTrailer August 16, 2012 at 4:35 pm

Were these the same Secret Service douches who wouldn't pay the hooker in Colombia?

"…..a single mother from Colombia who makes a living as a high-priced escort faced off in a room at the Hotel Caribe a week ago over how much he owed her for the previous night’s intercourse. “I tell him, ‘Baby, my cash money,’ ” the woman said in her first public comments on a dispute that would soon spiral into a full-blown scandal." NYT

FNMA August 17, 2012 at 8:46 am

You know, you stiff one hooker and…

smokefilledroommate August 16, 2012 at 4:35 pm

Cupcakegate?

BloviateMe August 16, 2012 at 4:36 pm

A minute of political statement on the lips, forever on the hips.

kittensdontlie August 16, 2012 at 5:13 pm

That's why sir Williard of Mittens, only eats the tops of cupcakes. Those momma jeans don't fit just right on their own.

BloviateMe August 16, 2012 at 5:16 pm

But, what does he do with the stumps??

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 5:35 pm

Probly throws them at passing Poorz with screams of "Ann said I should let you eat 'em!"

kittensdontlie August 16, 2012 at 6:08 pm

Rafalca's flawed Olympic performance was attributed to stumpcake hips. I'm just sayin'…

WhatTheHeck August 16, 2012 at 5:23 pm

read my hips

BornInATrailer August 16, 2012 at 4:37 pm

Please. SS Advance Team? They only stopped in because they misread the name as Cum and Get It.

OneYieldRegular August 16, 2012 at 4:38 pm

You didn't build that story!

MissTaken August 16, 2012 at 4:38 pm

then they bought a whole bunch of cookies and cupcakes.

'Cookies and Cupcakes' is the Secret Service code name for Colombian hookers.

kittensdontlie August 16, 2012 at 5:23 pm

In the first place, bringing the Secret Service to a state with the motto 'Virginia is for Lovers', is pure lunacy, and adding baked goods in the mix, well that is just like icing on the cake….errr…cupcake.

OneYieldRegular August 16, 2012 at 6:38 pm

Code name? Those are their real names.

Mittens Howell, III August 16, 2012 at 7:51 pm

Damn! I sure picked the wrong day to give up cupcakes.

Clancy_Pants August 16, 2012 at 4:38 pm

A dude off the street in a suit says "Thanks for standing up and saying ‘no'" and you assumed it was secret service? Who else dresses like that and eats cupcakes?

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 5:35 pm

Mormons?

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 2:33 am

Hitler??

YouBetcha August 16, 2012 at 4:38 pm

"Cupcake" is a euphemism, no?

ph7 August 16, 2012 at 4:39 pm

Wingnuts have a weird belief that anyone who owns a gun must hate Obama. Sort of like the white dude who thinks you'll enjoy his racist joke because, you know, you're a white guy, too.

CthuNHu August 16, 2012 at 5:01 pm

This.

And, "anyone who works for someone must hate his employer."

Still, it seems to click with the gun-toting employer-resenting racist demographic.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 5:37 pm

Hey, I hate my employer, and I own a gun (two, actually), and I LERVE Obama.

Oh, shit, did I break the stereotype? (hangs head in shame, scuttles off)

foxpuppet August 16, 2012 at 6:06 pm

You break that thing, you bought it…

???

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:54 pm

DO NOT WANT!

starfanglednut August 16, 2012 at 8:21 pm

Z, you haz teh gunz?

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 8:24 pm

Yes, I do. They belonged to a friend of mine who died of kidney cancer. He gave them to me so his wife wouldn't have to worry about disposing of them (she doesn't like guns).

Joshua Norton August 16, 2012 at 4:39 pm

Give me liberty – with a side of fries.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 5:37 pm

Freedom fries!

johnnyzhivago August 16, 2012 at 4:39 pm

They were happy because Biden planned to say "Mr. Gorbachev – UNCHAIN THESE CUPCAKES"

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 1:28 am

"UNCHAIN THESE CUPCAKES"

*RRRrrriip!!*

( o ) ( o )

yrbmegr August 16, 2012 at 4:39 pm

Well, that's some darn-tootin' reporting, there. I guess, since "the secret service" said it, then it must be true, "we're told". Some people are told that Jody Foster loves them. Others are told that they're Jesus Christ. Perhaps they should report what the voices in MY head are saying.

zippy_w_pinhead August 16, 2012 at 5:10 pm

do they say that you lost at Waterloo?

yrbmegr August 16, 2012 at 5:28 pm

Sometimes they say that Paul Ryan loves me, and I need to free him from the bonds that prevent him from coming to me. But I don't suppose that's worth reporting.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 5:38 pm

Oh, hey, man, you totally need to get that out there, b/c Paul Ryan totes looks like he would enjoy a few hours of tied down ass-lashing iwth real whips.

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 2:35 am
Angry_Marmot August 16, 2012 at 5:24 pm

Should I worry? The voices in my head whisper about cupcakes, Nigella Lawson and religious experience.

yrbmegr August 16, 2012 at 5:29 pm

I wouldn't worry. But I think your voices are far more interesting and entertaining than these "secret service" voices the reporter keeps hearing.

Baconzgood August 16, 2012 at 4:41 pm

See, this is why I think this is a lie. Why would the Secret Service be NOT protecting the VP to get cookies?

coolhandnuke August 16, 2012 at 4:41 pm

"Crumbs and Get It" is the official Romney/Ryan policy for economic recovery.

foxpuppet August 16, 2012 at 6:08 pm

Winner!

coolhandnuke August 16, 2012 at 6:43 pm

Thanks. This policy should be 99% effective. Or is it 1% effective?

foxpuppet August 16, 2012 at 8:14 pm

All Romney/Ryan policies are guaranteed 100% effective for the 1%. Crumbs to the rest…

BigSkullF*ckingDog August 16, 2012 at 8:53 pm

At least crumbs don't trickle.

Theywontlisten August 16, 2012 at 7:56 pm

crumbs and like it

MilwaukeeKent August 16, 2012 at 8:52 pm

Crumbs! And show some gratitude for that, you people!

johnnyzhivago August 16, 2012 at 4:41 pm

My understanding is they bought the cupcakes and then shoved them up Chris McMurray's fat ass. Then they told him "thanks for standing still"

But then that's just my understanding.

yrbmegr August 16, 2012 at 4:43 pm

Or, so we're told.

HogeyeGrex August 16, 2012 at 5:05 pm

I just read that on the internet, so it must be true.

foxpuppet August 16, 2012 at 6:09 pm

I read that too, & nobody has denied it…

Fare la Volpe August 16, 2012 at 11:30 pm

Why hasn't Mr. McMurray denied these allegations? What else is he hiding?

foxypuppet August 16, 2012 at 11:52 pm

Ooh- do you suppose he's guarding Romney's tax returns, & somehow Handsome Joe heard about that…?

IonaTrailer August 16, 2012 at 4:43 pm

The Secret Service were worried about a possible Pussy Riot.

zippy_w_pinhead August 16, 2012 at 4:58 pm

well, after they started one of their own down in Columbia they should be…

BornInATrailer August 16, 2012 at 4:44 pm

I like "You didn't bake that" but I also would have liked "Ginger snaps."

foxpuppet August 16, 2012 at 6:10 pm

Was the reporter named Ginger?

ChessieNefercat August 16, 2012 at 6:29 pm

No, Mary Ann.

Fare la Volpe August 16, 2012 at 11:27 pm

The owner is a redhead.

BornInATrailer August 17, 2012 at 9:46 am

As is the reporter! There's so many ways you can read it.

elviouslyqueer August 16, 2012 at 4:44 pm

Judging from the look of Examiner "Commentary Writer" Joel Gehrke, I'd lay odds this entire story is something he conjured up after being dick-slapped across the lips the night before.

Baconzgood August 16, 2012 at 4:45 pm

Crumbs and Get It? Is that supposed to be witty? Can someone think of a better name than that for me. At least Tammy Fey Bakery would be better.

SexySmurf August 16, 2012 at 4:48 pm

What about Guy With Pie?

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 1:31 am

Thanks for Muffin

[that's extra good because of the cunnilingus double entendre]

fuflans August 16, 2012 at 4:45 pm

how will chris mcmurray be outed for sucking at the government teat? you know he will be.

ph7 August 16, 2012 at 5:00 pm

Well, we do know he enjoys a tax free income as pastor of a church he founded:
http://www.lovechurchonline.com/our-team.html

viennawoods13 August 16, 2012 at 5:08 pm

THAT was nauseating.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 5:51 pm

He claims to be part of the Hokie nation. He's hokey all right.

Blunderthing August 16, 2012 at 4:45 pm

But he has NOTHING on the motherfucking pterodactyl, here to tear you a new….asshole. It's an oatmeal thing. Look it up with your goooooogle powers. "Motherfucking pterodactyl"+"Oatmeal". Do it. Do it.

montreal_bruin August 16, 2012 at 4:59 pm

And sing along!!

UnholyMoses August 16, 2012 at 5:07 pm

As my son would tell you in excruciating detail, there's no such thing as a pterodactyl. There's a genus called "Pterodactylus," but no actual animal called any such thing.

/flying reptile pedant

OzoneTom August 16, 2012 at 5:35 pm

Well, "Pterodactyl Woman From Beverly Hills" is still one of my guilty pleasures.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 5:55 pm

Me too! Moon Unit Zappa was in that, wasn't she?

OzoneTom August 16, 2012 at 6:55 pm

Oh yeah, absolutely!

Not to mention, Beverly D'Angelo, Brion James, Barry Humphries, Stephen McHattie — and it's from Troma.

ChillBill August 16, 2012 at 4:45 pm

Sorry, but I refuse to click on or read anything associated with the Washington Examiner.

zippy_w_pinhead August 16, 2012 at 5:03 pm

the comments section is hilarious, makes Drudge and Fox Nation look positively sane in comparison

ChillBill August 16, 2012 at 5:40 pm

I'm pretty sure that the comments on the KKK board are pretty "hilarious" as well, but that doesn't mean that I'm about to visit that site.

zippy_w_pinhead August 16, 2012 at 5:43 pm

I admit I went just to poke them with a stick a couple times and watch them get huffy and indignant. And i learned that I'm a nasty libby who looks like a clown…

Designer_Rants August 16, 2012 at 10:36 pm

Why are conservatives so angry?

PsycWench August 16, 2012 at 6:17 pm

Here's the local paper's take on it. But it's still deeply annoying: http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/312876

ChillBill August 16, 2012 at 6:28 pm

Thanks! And this how "Chris The Baker" was born…

horsedreamer_1 August 18, 2012 at 2:44 pm

Enzo Libel!!!

foxpuppet August 16, 2012 at 6:34 pm

He "respectively declined"?

PsycWench August 16, 2012 at 6:40 pm

Probably for all intensive purposes he took his support for granite.

viennawoods13 August 16, 2012 at 8:45 pm

And no mention of those Secret Service men. Interesting.

PsycWench August 16, 2012 at 8:49 pm

Oh, that part is bullshit. It's the right-winger's favorite part, though, so it will live on forever.

bikerlaureate August 16, 2012 at 11:21 pm

You can't prove it isn't true, female academic-type, so there. Nyah.

finallyhappy August 16, 2012 at 4:46 pm

The Examiner is a rightwing giveaway piece of crap. I only take a copy at the Metro because I don't want to be rude to the low paid (always Black- bet they hate the paper too) people who give it out. During the last election, the Examiner was claiming a huge circulation number in Editor and Publisher(whatever that now defunct thing was called)- and every afternoon when I'd leave work- I 'd see mounds of Examiners never given out in the morning and more when I got to Silver Spring

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2012 at 5:12 pm

Huge "circulation", rivaling that of the Yellow Pages.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 5:57 pm

You sound like me, not wanting to hurt the feelings of the people on the bottom of the heap. I always take whatever they're handing out, poor things. Then I try to sneak it into the nearest recycling can. The worst part is, I feel *guilty* about trashing the handout. I have no sense of guilt whatsoever about picking on Repigs in public. And no, I can't reconcile these opposite positions. Sigh.

viennawoods13 August 16, 2012 at 6:00 pm

I make an exception for the fuckers working in the Windows Registry phone scam salt mines. I call them fucking cocksuckers before I slam down the phone.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:51 pm

Awright, ya got me. I have been very very mean to Help staff occasionally. I think I have three or four incarnations as a cockroach scheduled for that.

Harrison Wintergreen August 17, 2012 at 9:13 am

I think VW13 was talking about telemarketers, not help staff. I'm kind to both: I don't abuse help desk people for what is after all not their fault, and I hang up on telemarketers without even letting them get to the end of their introduction. Why waste their time?

Mittens Howell, III August 16, 2012 at 4:47 pm

And Yeah, the Lord approved.

And for forty days and nights he rained cupcakes and snicker-doodle cookies down on the lowly peoples, and Mitt Romney rejoiced and refused to release his tax returns, thus pleasing the Lord mightily.

foxpuppet August 16, 2012 at 6:39 pm

And then on the 41st day, the Crumb & Get it bakery finally had to close because they could not compete with the Lord's free & delicious baked goods.

bikerlaureate August 16, 2012 at 11:23 pm

Halfrican black-and-white cookies are more of a NYC thing, I reckon.

fuflans August 16, 2012 at 4:48 pm

virginia is for idiots.

(wonkette as ever excepted)

Theywontlisten August 16, 2012 at 8:00 pm

agreed i used to live there now i live in nebraska

Schmannnity August 16, 2012 at 4:48 pm

Joe Biden declared to the cupcakes: They'll put you back in the ovens.

Designer_Rants August 16, 2012 at 10:40 pm

Mittens calls Adelson and sez: 'Bidens talkin' Jooz! Need moar milyunz!'

SmutBoffin August 16, 2012 at 4:48 pm

"…and then, after the Secret Service agents left, Sarah Palin came in! Yeah! She said 'You are so brave, Wingnut Baker, and I want to reward you in the best way I can. With gun-loving right wing grandma sex!'

True story."

SorosBot August 16, 2012 at 4:57 pm

Ew, now you've made me think of Palin having sex and I've lost my libido.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:48 pm

Lucky for you, that special someone won't notice because she's many cities away. Although I have been reliably informed that she can make you sweat just by saying "boob."

Fare la Volpe August 16, 2012 at 11:16 pm

A friend of mine brought his seven-month-old son over to my house this afternoon so I could play with him and coo like a pigeon for a few hours. When our lady friend arrived, the babe immediately stopped looking at me, stared right at her chest, and gave her the winningest poo-eating grin he could muster.

He's his father's son fer sure.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 11:22 pm

Yeah, they know where the milk bar is, fer shure. I'm surprised the kid didn't just reach over and grab a handful. My friend's daughter used to grab her mom's tit, look right at us and announce, "Daddy is a boy, Imaan is a girl, and Mommy is a tit," right before helping herself to lunch.

Dudleydidwrong August 16, 2012 at 5:22 pm

"…and then, after the Secret Service agents left, Sarah Palin came in! Yeah! She said 'You are so brave, Wingnut Baker, and I want to reward you in the best way I can. With gun-loving right wing grandma sex! Are you game?"

He said, "I sure am, baby!"

And she shot him.

ChessieNefercat August 16, 2012 at 6:31 pm

Oh, that's much better.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:50 pm

That was great! In an awful, sotto-voce-"you're supposed to say 'with VOTES!'" sort of way.

Designer_Rants August 16, 2012 at 10:44 pm

McMurray frosts a surveyor's mark across her pie hole. 9 months later a ret@rded cupcake bursts forth from her loins.

Fare la Volpe August 16, 2012 at 11:13 pm

"Dear World Net Daily, I never thought it could happen to me…"

comrad_darkness August 16, 2012 at 4:48 pm

Did the cupcake man build the street in front of his business? Because if he did I see a pothole he needs to fix on google streetview . . .

fartknocker August 16, 2012 at 4:50 pm

When the Girl Scouts bring me my annual box of Trefoils I always thank them for their service and remind them they should behave as proud patriots.

upthruster August 16, 2012 at 4:51 pm

I bet their hoping for a Chick Fil'A type of line up around their business…they better start scooping that cookie dough out of the pail faster.

MissTaken August 16, 2012 at 4:53 pm

Joe Biden can cup my cake whenever he wants.

SorosBot August 16, 2012 at 4:58 pm

Hey…!

Lionel[redacted]Esq August 16, 2012 at 10:22 pm

She's allowed to have a ten list.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:47 pm

Just lookit how that Bot is gettin' all possessive on ya, girl. They always say they just want to warm the tip. Next thing you know, they've moved in and are washing their underroos in your sink.

Fare la Volpe August 16, 2012 at 11:18 pm

Underroos?

It was YOU in that Minnesota rest stop!

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 11:20 pm

Woo-woo, baby.

bikerlaureate August 17, 2012 at 2:32 pm

His cupcake brings all the voters to the yard.

Lionel[redacted]Esq August 16, 2012 at 4:53 pm

Thanks for standing up and saying ‘no’

The secret service then leaned over, gave a wink, and said "And, if you want to take a little pot shot at the President, we won't get in the way."

Lionel[redacted]Esq August 16, 2012 at 4:54 pm

Maybe they were happy he said "no" because the place was crappy and smelled of poo?

DonnyKerabotsos August 16, 2012 at 4:54 pm

You forgot to plagiarize this part of the story, Washington Examiner:

When "Crumb and Get It" said 'no', “River City Grill,” just around the corner, said 'yes' and has the pictures to prove it, and didn't care about the politics.
"If you want to throw in some libertarians as well that's fine too. Stop in as well,” Chris Bell said. “Just bring your money. Sure, right!"

Now THAT is a businessman! Sure, right!

foxpuppet August 16, 2012 at 6:43 pm

Wasn't Chris Bell in Big Star?

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:46 pm

I can tell you for sure, Mr. Bell is gonna be in business for a hella lot longer than Pastor Chris.

HistoriCat August 17, 2012 at 9:55 am

I just looked at River City Grill's menu. If the Secret Service gets to eat a little something at the places Biden visits, they probably were thrilled to switch out the bakery for the grill – yum!

mavenmaven August 16, 2012 at 4:55 pm

Funny, the store owner in that video looks exactly like Paul Ryan!

ph7 August 16, 2012 at 4:55 pm

The baker is also a Pastor at the Love Church, who claims "Our DNA is deeply rooted in the Gospel of Jesus" , pass the donut.
http://twitter.com/@pastorchrismc

MadBrahms August 16, 2012 at 5:12 pm

I don't think he understands DNA or Jesus, but sure.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:44 pm

Someone should tell him DNA doesn't have roots. Those rooty things are usually known as "plants," and in fact, Mr. McMurray might have gotten a little too familiar with some of their ilk, judging from the way he's talking.

bikerlaureate August 16, 2012 at 11:29 pm

Love means never having to say you're sorry for dissing the Veep (and humbly making sure the press knew all about it) because of something the Prez said that's so clearly delineated by his preceding and following sentences that no honest fifth grader could fail to understand.

We heathens need more instruction in righteousness from this merchant of confectionery compassion.

AnAmericanInTO August 16, 2012 at 4:55 pm

I call bogus. This is clearly viral marketing for Julia Louis-Dreyfuss' VEEP. There were similar plotlines about a Secret Service agent who makes an ill-timed laugh at the expense of the VP and an ice cream parlor where a photo op is planned but it goes in the shitter.

Lot_49 August 16, 2012 at 6:32 pm

Or the fearless journosaur who invented broke this important story got his television viewing mixed up with his perception of reality. Everybody knows that's how Bernstein came up with Watergate.

SorosBot August 16, 2012 at 4:56 pm

Well the Washington Examiner is a perfectly cromulent news source, almost as trustworthy as Pravda or the Weekly World News.

ph7 August 16, 2012 at 5:51 pm

It's as if Bat Boy grew up, went to J-school, and became a reporter.

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 2:40 am

Or ran for Vice President on the Kill the Poorz ticket.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:42 pm

In Pravda there is no Izvestia. In Izvestia, no Pravda.

succalina August 16, 2012 at 8:54 pm

..but the Washington Examiner does not embiggen us.

RadioBowels August 16, 2012 at 4:56 pm

Is this place part of a chain of cupcakeries?

foxpuppet August 16, 2012 at 5:17 pm

Cupcakeries of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your… oh, wait.

Mumbletypeg August 17, 2012 at 11:19 am

Late for cake is so unlike me.

Is this place part of a chain of cupcakeries?

But had to pip in here and say how full of WIN this was.

MittBorg August 17, 2012 at 12:46 pm

Hey, you're back! That is to say, your av is.

You know you're just encouraging that Radio, right?

Mumbletypeg August 17, 2012 at 12:48 pm

haha — the avi is back; with a little extra filling in *its* cupcakey center…

MittBorg August 17, 2012 at 1:16 pm

I *thought* it looked different. EW, it's the ZEGS. You shopped that sorry fucker in there, din'tchu?

Exhausted66 August 16, 2012 at 4:57 pm

Wait 'til Chris Christie runs and eats this guy out of business.

foxpuppet August 16, 2012 at 5:16 pm

Now he's a real service job creator!

BklynE August 16, 2012 at 5:19 pm

With Chris Christie, no running will be involved. Eating him out of business? Yes.

Designer_Rants August 16, 2012 at 10:51 pm

He's awoken the cake demon, as foretold by the Slothman Prophecies.

CthuNHu August 16, 2012 at 4:57 pm

And then Michelle Obama and Jill Biden, they came in, and, like, they totally made out with each other, and then they said, hey, you wanna join in, cause we hate our husbands, and you do too, so we totally wanna do you, and I'm like, okay, and, like, we did it, and it was really good, they were like, ooh, baker-man, you're so big, you're so much better than barack, and they both totally licked frosting off my moobs, and they said they'd call me later cause I was so good. Yeah.

Exhausted66 August 16, 2012 at 5:12 pm

AUTHOR LIZ CHENEY LIBEL!

SorosBot August 16, 2012 at 4:58 pm

So does the owner of Crumb and Get It also refuse customers who get there via public roads?

Toomush_Infer August 16, 2012 at 5:38 pm

Yeah, and he made the electricity, piped in his own water and manufactured his own oven gas right on the premises – this is some macho crazy person…. oh, and he don't need no police nor firefighters so KEEP OUT!!!!….

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 2:41 am

"manufactured his own oven gas right on the premises"

by eating his own products? Because that's got sort of a cycle of life quality to it.

SayItWithWookies August 16, 2012 at 5:00 pm

Well after the cupcake guy stood up to Evil Joe Biden, it was awfully nice of Biden's socialist government-funded security detail to stop in and spend their hard-earned government dollars on pastries and such.

zippy_w_pinhead August 16, 2012 at 5:01 pm

The only thing missing from missing from this story are the email addresses from thousands of elderly AOL users who don't know how to properly forward a chain email and the "verified by Snopes" disclaimer at the bottom

carlgt1 August 16, 2012 at 5:02 pm

hmm, and today there's also this story of an Obama campaign event catered by a guy with a Rmoney T-shirt saying "I built this business." Of course, the Obama staffers just ignored the guy, whereas I'm sure a Tea Party event (with a liberal caterer) the guy would have been kicked with jackboots (and stomped on the head if a female caterer)….

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 1:25 am

Also, if it were a female caterer, ryan would have punched her in the cupcakes.

horsedreamer_1 August 18, 2012 at 2:47 pm

Stomped with votes!

horsedreamer_1 August 18, 2012 at 2:55 pm

My favourite songs are "Vote the Blue Sky", "Vote with Butterfly Wings", & "Washington Votes".

But my favourite album is We Have the Facts (& we're bulleting yes).

Exhausted66 August 16, 2012 at 5:03 pm

Oh look, they're open for reviews on yelp: http://www.yelp.com/biz/crumb-and-get-it-cookie-c

viennawoods13 August 16, 2012 at 5:04 pm

My favorite: "Found several red pubic hairs(which I did not order) in my ice cream. I showed them to the suspiciously red-headed manager, but he refused to refund my money. Will not eat there again unless I'm really in the mood for ice-cream and everywhere else is closed."

CthuNHu August 16, 2012 at 5:17 pm

11 ratings since June 7… 9 of which, by complete coincidence, came since yesterday.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:14 pm

At least two of which referenced the suspicious reportage reported upon by the above reporter.

Toomush_Infer August 16, 2012 at 5:40 pm

Yeah, because those university students aren't subsidized and can only eat on campus….

CrunchyKnee August 16, 2012 at 5:43 pm

I just left one. "I was going to stop by, but all the roads to the place were built by the government. Screw that. I'll stop by when this great American builds a private road to his establishment."

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:15 pm

Aw, I so liked that one I upfisted it!

CrunchyKnee August 16, 2012 at 10:53 pm

Yelp deleted my comment, and were quite rude about it too. I guess they frown on people commenting on an establishment they haven't been to. I did get a funny hate mail from a tea bagger lady though, so it was worth it.

She called me and Obama n*ggers. So much love.

bikerlaureate August 16, 2012 at 11:35 pm

You know they're just lousy with truth and integrity when they go to the trouble of sending racial slurs. Maybe she's a Sunday School teacher?
I only wish we were as righteous and morally upstanding as these real Americans.
(sniffle)

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 11:37 pm

There, there. We'll keep trying.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 11:36 pm

That's so sweet.

IonaTrailer August 17, 2012 at 1:41 am

I got 2 hate emails so far. Totally worth the few seconds of "wow" – how fucking dumb are these people?

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 1:41 am

"I'll stop by when this great American builds a private road to his establishment."

Awesome.

IonaTrailer August 16, 2012 at 7:33 pm

"Unless you like roaches in your cupcakes, I'd say avoid. "

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 7:54 pm

Oooo.

IonaTrailer August 16, 2012 at 7:55 pm

Check this out – a reply from another Yelper:
You have a new message

Hi Iona,

Jansen R. has sent you a message on Yelp:

Clever
"You probably do live in a trailer with your pure classlessness in all of your reviews. It isn't cute and you are officially an idiot. Don't breed lest you fill the world with more stupidity. Replying to this message ensures your address will be posted. Choose wisely."

IonaTrailer August 17, 2012 at 2:32 am

Hi -Yeah, what a bunch of wankers. I'm going to just keep making up email addresses and posting bad reviews. These people apparently weren't born with the critical thinking gene. All the best – and keep fighting!!!!!!!Go Obama!Julie

zippy_w_pinhead August 16, 2012 at 5:04 pm

I'm glad to see the wingnuts have found a fitting dessert, a nice cupcake for when they're done gorging on Chick-Fil-A

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:16 pm

At this rate, we should have the population problem, the obesity problem, and the IQ problem solved tout suite!

And we won't even need votes.

glamourdammerung August 16, 2012 at 5:06 pm

Yeah, the Secret Service really appreciates morons that wind up the crazies so much that they went and bought crap from them.

AncienReggie August 16, 2012 at 5:07 pm

Shouldn't these cop-type guys be buying donuts? I mean really, cupcakes? This whole story smells kinda sketchy.

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2012 at 5:08 pm

Not that the Secret Service guys are all rocket scientists, but I'm pretty sure they know that the whole "You didn't make that" story is standard-issue out-of-context GOP horseshit. Which means this whole story is just more standard-issue GOP horseshit.

News for Mitt: we can smell it from here.

Beowoof August 16, 2012 at 5:08 pm

Yep, I am sure those government employees are all like anti government types.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:16 pm

It's the only reason they took them gummint jobs.

Fare la Volpe August 16, 2012 at 11:29 pm

Government can't create a single job — so vote for me.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 11:38 pm

That makes sense! You got MY vote.

Guppy August 16, 2012 at 5:11 pm

So long as the purchase was made on personal time and with personal funds, who cares either way? Or is the Secret Service allotted their own Electoral College votes now?

Is this like the extra-special, double secret voting rights The Troops have in Ohio?

zippy_w_pinhead August 16, 2012 at 5:12 pm

Joel Gehrke sure does have a purty mouth, just sayin'

foxpuppet August 16, 2012 at 5:14 pm

Wait- did they say 'THE' Secret Service, or 'A' secret service?

Eve8Apples August 16, 2012 at 5:15 pm

If the owners actually turned down a visit from the Vice President of the United States during an election year, their business is doomed to fail. They would have received more free advertising in that one Vice Presidential visit than they could afford to buy during their entire lifetime.

mavenmaven August 16, 2012 at 5:29 pm

The owner, a right wing pastor, already has Sean Hannity on his twitter links, so he looks like he's handling his publicity cynically well.

Generation[redacted] August 16, 2012 at 6:07 pm

He's on track to be the next Chick Fil A.

MadBrahms August 16, 2012 at 5:15 pm

So just how many tax credits and subsidized small business loans do we think our dear Mr. McMurray has taken over the years?

MinAgain August 16, 2012 at 5:16 pm

Man, what has happened to the Secret Service? I miss Jim West and Artemus Gordon.

Ducksworthy August 16, 2012 at 5:30 pm

Did they get some of those special creme filled ones for their Colombian hookers?

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2012 at 5:54 pm

They probably plan to provide the filling.

zippy_w_pinhead August 16, 2012 at 5:55 pm

no, but they DID get some cupcakes for the creme filled hookers

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 1:44 am

That's not creme.

rocktonsam August 16, 2012 at 5:34 pm

nothing is sacred.

CUPCAKE LIBEL!!1!1!!!

cripes

SigDeFlyinMonky August 16, 2012 at 5:36 pm

Some people… some people like cupcakes. I for one care less for them.

Steverino247 August 16, 2012 at 5:59 pm

There in nought, nor ought there be, nothing so exalted on the face of God's great Earth, as that Prince of Foods, the Muffin.

(I only regret that there was no little green rosetta atop the Costco muffin I just ate.)

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:19 pm

Makes the muffin betta.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:19 pm

I was gonna say something about little green rosettas, but I see Steverino beat me to it. As you were, gentlemen.

Steverino247 August 16, 2012 at 6:30 pm

Sorry for sucking up all the Zappa references. From now on, I'll only use 13% of them. Trust me.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 7:09 pm

Oh, hey, no way, man. I only come here for the Zappa references.

And DTIDSWYDT.

Blueb4sinrise August 16, 2012 at 5:44 pm

Mittens read this and had staffers prepare a white-paper on the difference between donuts and cupcakes.

Caelan Aegana August 16, 2012 at 5:45 pm

True story. My mother once threw a chocolate chip cookie at the Mrs. Fields owner who pasted this Florida 2000 cartoon in his window.

And then she demanded a refund.

Chichikovovich August 16, 2012 at 5:55 pm

I hope the owner pointed out the "you throw it, you've bought it" sign.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:21 pm

Presumably, the owner realized that a cavalcade of cookies would follow and opted for the wiser choice of silence in the face of chocolate chips and crumbs.

bikerlaureate August 16, 2012 at 11:38 pm

"Cavalcade of cookies" is one of the most appetizing things I've read this week. It wouldn't make a bad blog name either.

MittBorg August 17, 2012 at 12:07 am

Yeah, now I have a terrible craving for those shortbread hearts, or something.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:20 pm

I feel an overpowering need to elope with your mother.

joshleefolsom August 16, 2012 at 5:47 pm

I have trouble resolving the person who says his philosophy of life is love your neighbor as yourself, then refuses to share credit for success with the vast array of people that contributed to it. Frankly, I find it unpatriotic, too. By the way, I heard he cums in the cookie dough while looking at a picture of Famous Amos.

Thunderclees August 16, 2012 at 5:47 pm

WHERE'S THE RECEIPT!? WHY WON'T THEY RELEASE THE LONG-FORM RECEIPT!?!

BZ1 August 16, 2012 at 5:49 pm

Calling BS here. The shop owner may be another person who doesn't understand where his electricity comes from, but the Secret Service doesn't make their boss look bad.

bikerlaureate August 17, 2012 at 1:06 am

Now that's just going too far. You ruined the joke.

Of course the shop owner knows that electricity comes from sockets.

(Rearden Metal is probably inside them)

MonkeyMotion August 16, 2012 at 5:51 pm

The Fantasy, Part 2

And then another bakery defied Biden. The oppressed masses rejoiced. Then, sensing their growing power, rebelled and shouted from the rooftops: "We shall overthrow the muslim, kenyan, socialist, communist Obama and his nazi thugs who are stealing our guns and freedoms…" A glorious bloodbath ensued.

After the executions — in Jesus' name — peace and harmony returned to the shining nation on the hill, blah, blah, blah….Ronald Reagan. The End.

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2012 at 5:51 pm

OT, but that Chick-Fil-A spokeman who's been defending the company's anti-gay policies? He just died. Of a heart attack.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:23 pm

I would've attacked him too for defending homophobia. At least he still *had* a heart. Although, come to think of it, that might not have been such a good thing.

zippy_w_pinhead August 16, 2012 at 6:36 pm

as did the guy who set his Cheerios on fire to prove he's homophobic

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 7:01 pm

If I were a RWNJ godbag, I'd start worrying about god maybe not liking my side so much …

Fare la Volpe August 16, 2012 at 11:21 pm

That or Tim Gunn is the new holder of the Death Note.

PubOption August 16, 2012 at 8:13 pm

Worked for a fast food company and died of a heart attack. If was a good Christian he would know that bible verse about reaping what you sow.

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 1:50 am

"Let my proclamation go forth across the land: HAW HAW!!" — Nelson Muntz, as Goliath

Chichikovovich August 16, 2012 at 5:52 pm

“Speaking of small businesses and entrepreneurs all across this country and actually last night my wife was up all night. No sleep, she's worked a full 24 hours."

I'm not surprised. The poor woman had to repair all the roads her customers use, and that are used to bring the flour to their bakery, generate the electricity for the street lights and maintain them, patrol the streets with other members of the businesspeople's peace officer's militia, do her shift at the ad-hoc replacement FDA lab ensuring that the the raw material they use for cooking is poison free,…..

Really, they should have located in someplace where the government did those things.

Steverino247 August 16, 2012 at 6:02 pm

“Speaking of small businesses and entrepreneurs all across this country and actually last night my wife was up all night. No sleep, she's worked a full 24 hours."

Which one gave her a quarter?

Blueb4sinrise August 16, 2012 at 6:28 pm

I did NOT laugh at this!
DIDN"T
DIDN"T
DIDN"T

Steverino247 August 16, 2012 at 6:33 pm

Oh, yes you did!

Blueb4sinrise August 16, 2012 at 6:46 pm

You people don't trust me?

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 1:51 am

"Which one gave her a quarter?"

They ALL did.

MittBorg August 17, 2012 at 12:40 pm

One guy said he just gave her the tip!

Extemporanus August 16, 2012 at 6:07 pm

Hey there, Cupcake!

Could you kindly clarify what your "What Chet said." comment meant? It bothers me to think that you and he — whom I both revere — would dismissively think, after all these years, that I was actually being serious.

(Shorter: "You didn't mean that!")

RadioBowels August 16, 2012 at 10:26 pm

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Chichikovovich August 16, 2012 at 11:38 pm

Hi Extemp. Sorry I didn't reply earlier – I was away from Wonkette and email for several hours and only now realized you had asked me a question.

I'm not sure how to address the question of whether I thought you were "serious" because it's inherent in irony/sarcasm/etc. that the boundary between serious and joking can be blurred. But of course I recognized that your comment was an allusion to a post from many months ago in which Rebecca laid out some rather mild rules that evidently struck many people here as offensive. And of course, I realized too that the "rules" you listed were not put forward as things you strictly speaking believed but rather were part of what struck me as a heavy-handed effort to mock Rebecca's original post. [Or "satirize Rebecca" to use the phrase you deployed in a follow-up comment.] This is a topic that, to my taste, long ago passed the point of having been done to death.

CapnFatback August 17, 2012 at 9:58 am

I DECLARE AN END ON THE "RULES FOR COMMENTING RADICALS" MEME.

SIGNED,

CZAR OF THE INTERNETS.

Chichikovovich August 17, 2012 at 10:32 am

? Czar of the internets?
Why the shouting and the heavy-handed sarcasm, CapnFatback? I'm just a poster here, with no authority to ban, or suspend others from posting, or in fact to do anything but express my opinion.

In my opinion, the "Rules for Commenting Radicals" theme long ago became tired and banal. Furthermore, also in my opinion, since the humour in that vein was mined out long ago, the only motivation for revisiting it is as an expression of petty, low-grade hostility.

If you feel that the theme is still a source of fresh, sharp hilarity, or (what seems to me more likely) if you recognize that there are no unforced laughs remaining to be extracted there but you are OK with the simmering hostility, perhaps even in favour of it, then you are free to post as you wish, irrespective of any opinions I may have.

Extemporanus August 17, 2012 at 7:02 pm

Hi Chichi. Sorry that I didn't reply earlier, as well — I'm smack dab in the middle of 72 hours of meat world hell, and this is the first chance that I've had to stop back since leaving my above comment.

Also, sorry for calling you "Cupcake", Sugartits — I was trying to be lighthearted, but upon re-read, it comes across like a douche-y, uncreatively sober Mel Gibson diss. Though I may be a whole inch taller than you, I in no way intended to be belittling, good sir.

So, about your reply: Thank you very much for giving it, and for doing so in your characteristically thoughtful manner. I may not wholly agree with everything that you said, but I do appreciate and respect your opinion.

I'm loathe to disassemble the mental mechinizations behind my original comment, because doing so is the comedic equivalent of self-machinegunning, even if said comedic effort was skullfucked to begin with, which maybe it was. That said, I would like to clarify a few things:

- I agree that "The Rules" were rather mild. They never struck me as offensive, though like you, I did think that they could've been presented in a somewhat less "provocative" manner. (They weren't even really that provocative, mind you — it's just that Rebecca was rather new-ish, and some people were looking for an excuse to pillory the editorial usurper.) I said as much at the time (though in retrospect, perhaps more to Rebecca directly than to the Wonkettariat in general), and more or less tried to keep my few comments on the matter benignly snarky, and gently chide those who didn't.

- My intention was in no way to mock Rebecca's original post. I'm confident that she knows that I hold her in the highest regard — I've said exactly that in person, comments, and super secret sexxxting sessions (i.e. boring "Tips" emails and whatnot). "Satirizing" was probably the wrong word to use in relation to her (though not in relation to the Republican/Romney "BANNED WORDS" reaction), and in fact, I only added the "& REBECCA" as an afterthought to disabuse any n00bz of the idea that those words were entirely my own.

- I readily admit that my effort was a bit heavy handed (I pounded it out with my fat, caloused thumbs, after all) — worse than that, it was rather lazy. I wistfully remember a time when I left comments that rivaled yours in word count. Now that mobile devices are my primary means of commentification, I'm lucky if I fire off a half dozen ripostes in a day (or days), and if their length surpasses two lines. Hence, a preponderance of bad puns, quick quips, and crusty call backs. Alas…

- I didn't have the sense that this topic had been done to death, though I haven't been holed up here as much as I used to be, and may have missed it being just cold murdered. Rebecca herself has referenced it in comments as recently as 2-3 weeks ago, and it's been referred to (though sometimes obliquely) in a number of posts as well. My comment that set the table for this all-you-can-eat word buffet was actually the first time that I'd mentioned it, ever. If anyone previously repurposed "The Rules" in the way that I did, I missed it, and will readily delete mine in the interest of copyright compliance.

- One last thing, related to the previous point: What I found most bemusing [not the right word, exactly] about Chet's reply and your seconding and subsequent explanation is the fact that he's [in]famous for his awesome, banhammer-bait mockery (since disappeared, sadly) of Layne's "President Obama's Inabililty to Quit Smoking Proves He's Morally Weak" post. That meme continues to be deployed by him and others to this day. [Full disclosure: I too mocked Ken for that post, to his face, though I haven't referenced it for at least a year]. Perhaps it's different because "Rebecca's a riot, Ken's as funny as a crutch" but still…

- My thumbs hurt.

- Can't…can't we all get along?

- BUTTSECKS!!1

- The End.

XOXO,
X

Chichikovovich August 17, 2012 at 9:11 pm

Thanks for taking the time to post, when I gather there isn't a lot of time for you to spare. As I acknowledged in the, well, I don't know, I acknowledged somewhere in all of those words, these things depend on context. Against the background of a good-natured jocular relationship, understood on both sides to be respectful, many things count as innocuous playfulness that would otherwise count as unduly disagreeable and even hostile. If this is the nature of your relationship to Rebecca, it naturally prompts a reevaluation.

We all seem to be of one mind that the board has seen breakouts of hostility of late, sometimes free-floating, sometimes with specific targets, and I'm glad that we also appear to be of one mind that this is unwelcome.

The statement that the Rules topic had been done to death was carelessly over-broad, of course. With enough ingenuity, something genuinely clever can be squeezed out of any chestnut, even "AOTK". (I personally expect I will never tire of well-crafted "You know who else…" threads.) I should have qualified and hedged the statement more, but I wasn't sure just how to calibrate it, and at some point you just need to say "this is Wonkette, not the Proceedings of the Royal Oxford Society of Pettifoggery".
[This paragraph is, as I'm sure you realize, meant to immunize myself for the inevitable moment when I myself try to extract just a drop more juice from a "Rules for" reference.]

And thank you for the history lesson in re. Chet and his puckish ways.- There are many Wonkette rituals and mysteries, known to the Old Ones, that remain for me collectively a book with seven seals.

Extemporanus August 17, 2012 at 5:13 pm

COMMENTING NOTE: Take it easy, you guys — If y'all keep using so many words, there won't be enough left for me to adequately reply to each of you!

Actually and factually and unfortunately, I'm away from home and tap-tap-tapping this out on my POS phone, so regardless, said replies are going to be simultaneously simplistic and inscrutable, horrifyingly tpyo-ridden, and way less involved and eloquent than each of you truly deserve. They will also probably take an hour each to compose and be arbitrarily eated more than once, if I'm (you're?) lucky.

Nonetheless, with sincere apologies in advance, here I go…

Mumbletypeg August 17, 2012 at 7:26 pm

My. It is realized once again on teh wonkettz: "… The Loquacity Of Hope!"

not that Dewey August 17, 2012 at 9:10 pm

Reams of My Father

Rogetthat August 16, 2012 at 5:52 pm

SS are a bunch of dicks–always have been. Don't ANY of you remember when there was a 'leak' that Mrs. Clinton threw a lamp at Mr. Clinton–it could only have been SS agents (plain clothes). I worked in the White for 4 years (Clinton) and the WH SS, especially the uniformed were awful–slowed down events, kept very famous (Jesse Jackson) people waiting to 'clear' them for events (Anyone with an 'arrest' for things like civil disobedience etc). At the Israeli-Palestinian signing, they kept Ps waiting, since they had international murder/terror arrests, but had become 'politicians' after. We'd given them a list ahead to 'clear' but they waited. A uniformed guard told me at end of Clinton admin that they'd been mad Bush lost, did admit Clinton staff worked harder then anyone else.

Steverino247 August 17, 2012 at 12:48 am

I would agree due to where they come from–former military, etc.–most of whom have opinions far above their pay grades. Because they can screw with you, they sometimes do. I wonder if Jesse Jackson is still hassled. And how closely they really watch sometimes.

When the Pope JP II came to Phoenix, I led a group of protestors there. The USSS knew we had signs attached to wooden stakes and the guy they were protecting was in a bullet proof Popemobile, but we still got the lecture about not holding the signs over the ropes they set up. When we moved up to SFO, the SFPD was better at protection than the USSS, but more creepy as well as they had people way up videotaping us from inside rooms. They were too stupid to tape over the flashing red lights on their cameras, though, so I knew where all of them were. We just smiled and waved at each of them in turn. Assholes.

glamourdammerung August 17, 2012 at 1:12 am

Don't ANY of you remember when there was a 'leak' that Mrs. Clinton threw a lamp at Mr. Clinton–it could only have been SS agents (plain clothes).

It could have simply been Republicans telling lies. Again.

An_Outhouse August 16, 2012 at 5:58 pm

Rest assured Brian Williams will be reporting on this in detail. He explained to John Stewart the other night that when people say and do stuff like call the vice President stupid, he has to cover it. Even if he doesn't want to and the person is Guiliani, its part of the campaign and needs to be covered. He really wishes somebody would talk about issues but its all name calling.

Chet Kincaid_ August 16, 2012 at 7:55 pm

Brian who?

An_Outhouse August 16, 2012 at 6:05 pm

I hate fucking cup cakes. They're gay!

Dudleydidwrong August 16, 2012 at 7:00 pm

Gay? Straight? Doesn't make any difference. The problem is, they're too damn dry.

I like my cupcakes moist–even a little wet. Then they are nice to fuck / eat.

DerrickWildcat August 16, 2012 at 7:19 pm

They're just little cakes. I don't see what the big deal is.

Fare la Volpe August 16, 2012 at 11:24 pm

You're not supposed to fuck 'em, dummy.

bikerlaureate August 16, 2012 at 11:40 pm

This from a d00d who wants privacy in the boudoir.

foxypuppet August 16, 2012 at 6:14 pm

I also heard that Biden wanted the cupcakes for a local children's hospital…

Fare la Volpe August 16, 2012 at 11:29 pm

Socialist. Those cancer patients need to get their lazy asses out of bed and earn their own damn cupcakes.

insidebeltway August 16, 2012 at 6:25 pm

Special agents view all protectees as pain-in-the-asses regardless of party affiliation. It's just a matter of degree. This would not have been said because they are apolitical.

zippy_w_pinhead August 16, 2012 at 6:38 pm

if they didn't buy any $16 muffins then they weren't REAL gubmint employees

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:40 pm

I'm just sayin', yaknow, but if I were working SS detail, and had to go to a bakery on the job, I would definitely buy some goodies before leaving. Which is probly what those guys did, because the kind of job they do, they probably eat on the run and sugary treats are a good pickmeup in the middle of the day. I very much doubt they said anything at all to the owner, given that they're not known for yakking all friendly-like to the public.

zippy_w_pinhead August 16, 2012 at 6:57 pm

I actually have worked with USSS at many public events for both Dem and GOP pols and you are correct- they in fact make these sorts of symbolic gestures to thank people for their time and trouble

HistoriCat August 17, 2012 at 10:09 am

And it's oh-so-easy for "thank you for your time" to become "thank you for saying no" when your grip on reality is less then solid. Yeah – I could see Pastor Cupcake reinterpreting the thank you.

zippy_w_pinhead August 16, 2012 at 6:58 pm

Lol… from National review Online
UPDATE: I just got a call from Max Milien, a spokesman for the United States Secret Service. He told me unequivocally, “our personnel were not involved in making that statement.” Milien said there were agents in the bakery, along with (similarly dressed) local law enforcement, but that USSS was there merely to thank the shop owners for their trouble and apologize for any inconvenience the advance team may have caused them.

that didn't take long- too bad it's now an established "fact" in the wingnutsphere

ElPinche August 16, 2012 at 11:05 pm

Yep, it's too late. wingturds will play with this until the next shiny object comes around.

DerrickWildcat August 16, 2012 at 7:18 pm

"I hate you! Please buy some cookies."

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 7:20 pm

Sure, why not. Here's ten bucks.

bikerlaureate August 16, 2012 at 11:41 pm

Apparently I've been interpreting the principles of modern marketing, like, 100% wrong.

MittBorg August 17, 2012 at 12:05 am

Imagine that!

Chet Kincaid_ August 16, 2012 at 8:03 pm

The Butcher and the Candlestick Maker have refused services to the Kenyan Usurper and his Churlish Herald, also.

James Michael Curley August 16, 2012 at 8:09 pm

Chris McMurray won't be so smug when the lab report comes back positive.

RadioBowels August 16, 2012 at 8:59 pm

Ann Romney just commented on this story:

Let them eat cupcake!

mrblifil August 16, 2012 at 10:49 pm

What's he got against Biden? He didn't say anybody didn't build whatever, plus he lost his whole family except himself in a car accident. Give the guy a fucking cookie already and be done with it. Racist fuckholes all of them (not Biden).

Self-Uploader August 16, 2012 at 10:53 pm

First, if I owned a bakery and Romney wanted to use it for an event, I'd either refuse or make sure everyone was wearing Obama tee-shirts or something, so I don't think refusing to be exploited by a political campaign is wrong.

I'm just praying, however, that this guy won't go all Not Joe the Not Plumber on us, run for Congress and make inane videos.

ElPinche August 16, 2012 at 11:14 pm

Chris the Cupcaker …ew , I hope not as well.
BTW. nice blog.

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 1:25 am

If it was two guys in suits, and one ordered a whole chicken and one ordered dry toast, that wasn't the Secret Service, it was the Blues Brothers.

zippy_w_pinhead August 17, 2012 at 1:57 am

Are you the Secret Service?

No, ma'am. We're musicians.

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 1:32 am

"we’re told that shortly after Crumb and Get It told Biden’s advance people ‘no’ — the secret service walked in and told Chris McMurray ”Thanks for standing up and saying ‘no’ — then they bought a whole bunch of cookies and cupcakes."

[Bored]
Uh huh, and was that *before* or *after* you got the blowjob from the Playboy Bunny?

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 1:35 am

Oh, great.
Now Mitt will show up with that fucking laminated note from Mrs. Fields.

foxypuppet August 17, 2012 at 1:36 am

OT: Beth Orton's Tiny Desk concert: http://n.pr/MWysnq

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 1:47 am

First they came for the cupcakes, and I did nothing, because I had blueberry muffins…

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 2:02 am

This woulda been a way better story if all the Secret Service guys were wearing shades and shoulder holsters and talking into their walkie-talkies.
Asshole bakery guy: Can I help you?
Secret Service guy: Cupcakes.
ABG: How many?
SSG: One dozen.
ABG: Vanilla?
SSG: Chocolate.
ABG: Sprinkles?
SSG [nods briskly]: Thank you. [speaks into walkie-talkie] Snack-treats have been identified and secured at Oh-Fourteen hundred hours. [feedback scrawk] They are tasty — repeat, tasty.

*SSGs exit bakery. Very last one is carrying a boom box playing "The Peter Gunn Theme"*:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz3WMFEC9Gs&fe

Robman2 August 17, 2012 at 2:16 am

The greater issue is the shop owner, buying into the meme building BS from Romney's campaign. I smell racist, in old PA.

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 2:46 am

Long form recipe or GTFO.

Chichikovovich August 17, 2012 at 7:43 am

Wingnuts of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your islets of Langerhans!

Zombie_Reagan August 17, 2012 at 8:25 am

I really don't think I'm ever going to tire from the wingnut "I built this business" myth. It's an instant faceplam.

Oh, and I'll bet your dollars to, um, cupcakes that this story is false.

randcoolcatdaddy August 17, 2012 at 8:31 am

"Thanks for saying no – because trying to protect the Vice President from a nutcase like you will give me a headache."

DahBoner August 17, 2012 at 8:36 am

The Republican baker pre-mixed cupcake pourer-outer said "Baby, my money"…

Oblios_Cap August 17, 2012 at 9:04 am

What’s wrong w/ the intense debate?

Nesnora August 17, 2012 at 10:42 am

Hey guys, I sell buttered bagged air for a living and I'd just like to say that I really don't like the current administration errr Nobama? Anyways, please send paypal donations for your REAL, AMERICAN bag of buttered air for freedom and the troops to so I can live the American Dream™.

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 11:26 am

I know I'm kinda late to the party, but can I still call the baker Famous Anus?

MittBorg August 17, 2012 at 12:45 pm

Why not? I do alla time.

ttommyunger August 17, 2012 at 7:49 pm

Donuts? Maybe, cup-cakes and pastry's? No fucking way.

FraAnima August 16, 2012 at 5:46 pm

Well then, I got dibbs on Portia.

MosesInvests August 16, 2012 at 5:48 pm

Dammit! Well, then, I got dibs on Gillian Anderson.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:07 pm

You mean it's not a "take one, get the other one free" deal for me?

starfanglednut August 16, 2012 at 8:19 pm

Mmmm Hmm…

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 1:23 am

I call Christina Hendricks!

$>: – ]

FraAnima August 16, 2012 at 6:17 pm

No, you've gotta "call it". As in "shotgun!". Or "lying wing nut douchebaggery!"

ChessieNefercat August 16, 2012 at 6:26 pm

Straight ladies are nice too.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:37 pm

Dang, and me always late to the party.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:37 pm

(Hugs Chessie) Straight ladies, straight boyz, gay girlz, gay boyz. My idea of a perfect world would be one giant ball of lovin'.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 6:59 pm

It was so bad, it was brilliant.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 7:02 pm

Show us the LONG-FORM TAPE RECORDINGS!

Blueb4sinrise August 16, 2012 at 7:10 pm
MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 7:23 pm

Hey, thanks, sweetie. I really like that. (Hugs you)

Blueb4sinrise August 16, 2012 at 7:29 pm

You're welcome .

{Don't tell C_R_}

Designer_Rants August 16, 2012 at 7:31 pm

They're my 'undisclosed source'!

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 7:52 pm

So *that's* why they're so angry!

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 7:55 pm

I thought CRE was One Of Us. (looks around suspiciously)

not that Dewey August 16, 2012 at 8:24 pm

"Biden's Razor" — always the best explanation.

FraAnima August 16, 2012 at 9:05 pm

Bow-chicka-bow-ow…

Designer_Rants August 16, 2012 at 10:16 pm

My wife found a revolver and an old box of bullets in a silver pitcher in our kitchen cabinets a few months ago (4 years after we moved into this house). She's an extreme neat freak, too. It was the little cupboards above the refrigerator that no one knows what to do with, so that's probably why.

Designer_Rants August 16, 2012 at 10:19 pm

"Suck it down" economics.

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 10:22 pm

The LayDeez, once they have the baybeez they get RLY nervous about guns. Probly just as well, when I consider how many creative ways we discovered to injure and maim each other as kids, in my wild and wicked yoof.

Designer_Rants August 16, 2012 at 10:25 pm

Yeah, especially with my son, I'd better find some even-more creative place to stash it or just get rid of it. Statistically, having a gun in your home means trouble – not "protection".

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 10:33 pm

As an Ex-Kid, I can assure you, they'll find it no matter how creative you are. God knows we found every single thing our parents tried to keep from us.

mayor_quimby August 16, 2012 at 10:45 pm

I will totally take it off your hands. I live in GA, where it is actually illegal in some counties for the cops to destroy guns in some cases, they HAVE to sell them. So civic duty and whatnot…

ElPinche August 16, 2012 at 10:58 pm

Well , I get this sort of comment all the time: "You should have been there Pinche! Victoria Jackson showed up and blew a donkey. "

MittBorg August 16, 2012 at 11:04 pm

Man, Pinche, dude, you go to a LOT more exciting parties than I ever did.

Fare la Volpe August 16, 2012 at 11:07 pm

You're not taking Jane Lynch from me!

Fare la Volpe August 16, 2012 at 11:40 pm

Mommy is a tit

Was this daughter named Bristol, per chance?

MittBorg August 17, 2012 at 12:06 am

Akeel. Terrible child. Would pitch a hissy fit if anyone said the word "No" to her. It had to be referred to as "the n-word."

viennawoods13 August 17, 2012 at 12:37 am

I too have really wanted to bake cookies tonight.

MittBorg August 17, 2012 at 12:41 am

I could always come over and help you eat them (waggles eyebrows at viennawoods helpfully)

viennawoods13 August 17, 2012 at 12:49 am

Sorry, honey. I fought off the desire, since I'm trying to do low-carb and cookies do NOT qualify. Instead I prepared eggplant for freezing.

MittBorg August 17, 2012 at 1:04 am

Dammit! Everybody's on some kinda health kick these days.

Er, hm, or dead. I guess I should say "or dead," shunt I? Yoghurt it is, then.

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 1:21 am

"Mr. Cookieman claims membership in the Hokie People."

they put their left foot in…?

tessiee August 17, 2012 at 2:27 am

Like the planet in that Futurama movie.

James Michael Curley August 17, 2012 at 9:59 am

When I get a real person doing the telemarketing I try to be tolerant unless they get persistent. I had to do that myself in a much leaner life – selling CLE programs to lawyers.

These automated messages that say "Press One to be connected … " I press one and hold it down until the call either disconnects or I get that shrill 'scream' from some connections.

I wish I had a better memory or I would use some of the old phone technician pass codes from years ago like the one which shuts off a line from the central office so it can be loop tested. Alas I have forgotten them.

viennawoods13 August 17, 2012 at 1:35 pm

I'm not even talking about telemarketers- the Windows Registry thing is an out and out scam designed to steal money from stupid people. I'm nice to most people on the phone (my first job was doing telephone surveys), but I draw the line at criminal activity.

CapnFatback August 17, 2012 at 11:45 am

Why the shouting and the heavy-handed sarcasm, CapnFatback?

Check the URL at the top of the page. When in Rome . . .

Okay, a close reader may sift through X's posts and understand that he regularly dredges up old memes and one-offs that curried the favor of the day and re-purposes them. Over the years, he seems to have assumed the dual role of Wonkette historian/restorative artist. Interpreting his latest take on the "Rule for Commenting Radicals" as being motivated simply by "simmering hostility" seems short-sighted and condescending.

Old (and not really all that old: note that the "Rules" post is all of five months old, while "All of them Katie" is going on four years strong) texts get re-visited–especially old provocative texts. ESPECIALLY old provocative texts that are written in a heavy-handed, condescending tone by a person who had newly taken on the mantle of power and was still being felt out by the plebes. As much as I agreed with the sentiment of "Rules"; it touched a nerve. There was a firestorm. Then a shitstorm. Then a storm of Banhammers, followed by a world drinking tour. Maybe some want to let bygones be bygones and to forget the unpleasantness (I'm not going to try to guess your motivation). Others like to poke the bear of memory and ridicule the bad times. Suum cuique pulchrum est.

If you feel that the theme is still a source of fresh, sharp hilarity, or (what seems to me more likely) if you recognize that there are no unforced laughs remaining to be extracted there but you are OK with the simmering hostility, perhaps even in favour of it, then you are free to post as you wish, irrespective of any opinions I may have.

See, a real czar wouldn't allow me to continue to post without penalty! Not you–you're letting me do my thing. So my original czar comment suggests that either

1) I am stupid and do not know what "czar" denotes and connotes
2) I was being hysterical and overreacted to your comment
3) I was making a snide comment on a Site O' Snark.

I'm truly not spoiling for a fight, Chichikovovich, and believe me when I say that I hold your intellect and meditations in high esteem. But as a fellow pedant, I feel I have license to point out that you're being a tad, well, pedantic.

Here's my actual take on the "Rules" meme: I don't know what motivated X to riff off of it, but I see it as busting chops. One of the neatest aspects in my relationships with my closest friends is that we give each other shit for past mistakes. Repeatedly. There's a comfort in recognizing that such needling isn't always mean-spirited–it can a sign of a healthy bond.

Incidentally, I do find it funny that in your original comment, you seconded Chet's "Oh for fuck's sake," which, for my own, bourgeoisie taste, has long run its course. I feel lousy admitting so now, for who the hell am I to say? Still, iron(y) has a strong magnetic pull.

Cheers,

The Good Cap'n

MittBorg August 17, 2012 at 12:44 pm

(Hugs you fervently) You are all my most dearly beloved, and I hope you have now gotten it all out of your systems. Because I love you all very much. I understand there's still a bit of a simmer. That's OK. Even letting it out is OK. Just don't beat each other bloody is all I'm saying.

Who are you to say? You are my dearly loved Cap'n Fatback.

Chichikovovich August 17, 2012 at 2:54 pm

It's flattering to have prompted such a long comment, and I'll return the compliment with a long comment of my own. Though it seems that most of what you write just agrees with what I wrote, troubling only to give it a different rhetorical spin and affirm a different attitude toward the facts that we appear to have – as the lawyers say – stipulated. I suggested that a substantial motivation for keeping alive a theme that had seemed to me to have exhausted its potential for genuine amusement was as an expression of hostility. And I added that we may differ because you are OK with that expression.

You respond by pointing out that some overdone themes on Wonkette are even older (very true). And you suggest that to describe the motivation as "simmering hostility" is "short sighted and condescending". That may be true. I'm perfectly prepared to acknowledge that I'm short sighted and condescending – Chichikovna and my optometrist tell me that all the time. And since I'm in an admitting mood, I'm happy to acknowledge that I'm more often pedantic than not. Here I stand pedantic, I can do no other.

In the continuation, you agree with me in different words, urging that the repetition of the "Rules for" theme is, in your opinion, welcome, because that original post is an "old provocative text[] … written in a heavy-handed, condescending tone by a person who had newly taken on the mantle of power and was still being felt out by the plebes", and which "touched a nerve". You continue, suggesting that it was at least partially causally responsible for "unpleasantness" and "bad times". "

I myself thought the tone of Rebecca's post was ill-advised, and if I had drafted it I would have said things very differently (and I would have said different things). But I felt then, and I continue to feel, that the howling and caterwauling from some posters was wildly disproportionate, and now, approaching half a year later, verges on petulant. We evidently disagree about that. But no matter, from your reply I gather we agree on the core claim (our disagreement is merely one of our attitude to that claim): The continual resurrection of that theme is generated in large measure by ill-will arising from the original post.

But I don't see any point in arguing about labels, so I withdraw the description "simmering hostility" and replace it with " emotion (with no, as yet, brief description) felt by a person toward those who have made statements from a position of power that the person regards and openly describes (rightly or wrongly) as "heavy handed" and "condescending", to "touch a nerve" and to be responsible for "unpleasantness" and "bad times". "

Growing up, I was repeatedly, in a good natured way, called
"tête-carré" by treasured friends (who I then called "frogs") sufficiently often to be well aware that context is everything when it comes to judging the presence or absence of genuine hostility, or whatever other descriptor you prefer in place of "hostility". This is well-known. But it's also well-known that a certain kind of aggression can mask itself as good-natured "busting chops", with the deniability fallback always available "Hey, it was just a joke!"

I'm happy to agree that as a vehicle for humour, "Oh, for fuck's sake" has run its course. I was agreeing with it because I took it to express a (non-snark) sentiment with which I agreed. (I don't mean to speak for Chet – perhaps I misunderstood the implicature.) Over-familiarity is no reason to refrain from agreement in a case like that, any more than one would stop using "please pass the salt" on grounds of banality.

✖✖✖ August 17, 2012 at 8:04 pm

Good Cap'n, after reading that, I have half a mind to change my handle to "TheDredgeReportanus".

[CORRECTION: I have half a mind.]

Much of what you said is spot on: I am not simmering in a low-grade, petty, hostile manner, and though not by design, I suppose that I have ocassionally played the role of lay historian/retardative artiste to some extent. Institutional memory is a fucking valuable thing — you don't just give it away for nothin'…

I didn't intend to poke any bears, though (Sooo messy!), or bust any chops, or also, too, all of them Katie, for FIVE AND A HALF YEARS, ALAN — I just left a dumb comment, which I admittedly acknowledged to myself in passing might noogie-esquely ruffle a feather or two, but in an innocent, playful, wriggling around in excrement kind of way.

Any hoohaw, thanks for all the words 'n' shit, ol' friend…

~~~ ~~

Mumbletypeg August 17, 2012 at 12:57 pm

Wanna hear somethin' *else*? I agree with all and none of it!! Haha — nay, I agree w/ some of everybody's. Unlike Capn, I still laugh when Chet or others go "Oh For Fucks Sake" at the receiving of something they're naming absurd. And! As for Extemp's original joke: it had been soooo long since I'd given any thought to those rules-that-came-saw-and-conquered-but-not-without-a-fight? that I almost missed the point of Extem's joke.
I want us to be able to agree to disagree — yet snark begets snarky attitude, and when we take snarkful aim within the poop joke circle, ALBEIT a vastly overeducated multilayered-thinking worldly wise poopjoke circle? inevitably folks are gonna overthink stuff and react and whatnot, myself not excluded, and complicate the dance of comprehension, non? Like see here: I started with a premise and ended up with a 1000 conclusions, I overthink which is o.k., but overwriting is not.. Anyways, next time I'll just get in line for a hug~

CapnFatback August 17, 2012 at 3:57 pm

You wouldn't get offended, my friend, if I call your posts "the brownies and milk of the comment thread," will you? Cuz consuming them makes me feel good–must be all the sugar.

MittBorg August 17, 2012 at 1:15 pm

(Hugs you too) You deserve a hug for such a rational response. We're all gonna disagree periodically, and we're gonna fight and we're even gonna get mad at each other and feel all hatey. Big kids know how to do all that and still get along.

MittBorg August 17, 2012 at 4:29 pm

Hey, there, Cap'n. I wouldn't be offended in the least. I'm sure you've noticed that there are individuals on Wonketz who have called me worse, and I still love 'em and hug 'em (Yes, I DO mean you, and you know who you are).

Am I being too fucking saccharine? I spent most of the morning stomping on Paul Ryan's huevos, if that makes anyone (except Paul Ryan) feel better? Anyway, if I don't comment on Wonketz for a while, pls let everybody know that Paul Ryan had me taken out. Or Mitt. I've been beating on Mitt pretty hard, too. (Hugs the Capn)

MittBorg August 17, 2012 at 4:31 pm

And YOU get a hug, too! (Hugs the very beloved, and only slightly less-pedantic-than-Mittborg Chich)

CapnFatback August 17, 2012 at 5:06 pm

This is what happens when pedagogues seize the apparatus, isn't it? "Teachers, lecture thine selves!"

I grant you that there was some, in my estimation, overreaction to the "Rules" post. I think my comments on that thread would suggest so. And I do believe that the seeds of some of the bad behavior that has persisted since then had been sown that day. But I assume that your regarding its persistence as a petulant act to be tied up on the author of the post that perpetuates the meme. How could it not, right? Thus, I wonder: had (picking at random) Dashboard Buddha or starfanglednut posted a parody of the post, would you see it as a childishly defiant act?

Perhaps we never fully resolved the butthurt from that day. Perhaps there are other things that have rubbed some of us the wrong way. For example, I still believe the move to post evaluation via thumbs (a move that pre-dates Rebecca) has done more damage to this community than good. Perhaps some commenters have been biting their tongues about others. I wouldn't go so far to identify these issues as a "simmering hostility," although there has been some evidence of blatant hostility recently. And I wouldn't say that the bad feelings are within a small core of miscreants (mind you, I'm not putting words in your mouth; I'm just rebuking the idea that it's an issue of a "few bad apples" from the get-go).

Perhaps–and I might have advocated for this in the past, although I may only have daydreamed about it; daydreaming is quicker and is full of more sex than most of my typing escapades–all this should be addressed in a post where we all have it out. Then again, maybe it's better to keep it at a level where it's merely annoying and not yet a full-blown elephant. All I'm fairly certain is that this place has in many respects gotten less fun me over the last couple of years. That may just be the nature of things, of course. Our interests evolve. Maybe I should take up badminton or decoupage or diddling supermodels.

By the way, reading your story of "tête-carré" will henceforth make me associate you as the Québécois Charlie Brown.

I agree that "just a joke" never flies; that jokes are jokes because they shine a light on something. However, we disagree on what filter was used back when X started this all. So be it. Intelligent, witty, devilishly handsome (work with me here), humane people can still disagree. If he wants to weigh in, I suppose he will. (But is he handsome enough?) In the meantime, I'll thank you for meeting me with thoughtful dialectic. Actually, I believe you really drew me into that. Damn, you're good.

Here's to meeting in more innocuous threads,

Cap'n

CapnFatback August 17, 2012 at 5:07 pm

Don't get me wrong. I love, LOVE, LURVE brownies and milk.

MittBorg August 17, 2012 at 5:24 pm

And so you should. That's what keeps the fat on the fatback. (Extra squeezy hug for taking the ribbing, as it were, in good spirit.)

Extemporanus August 17, 2012 at 8:26 pm

I am 6-foot-6 and shockingly handsome ("for serious!") enough to weigh in, thankyouverymuch, and as a matter of fact, I just did!

(^^^ Just a joke LOL!!1)

Perhaps some commenters have been biting their tongues about others.

You have no idea (actually, you probably do.)

It's precisely because I have been biting my tongue about someone who put words in my mouth, falsely ascribed to me insane accusations, gangbanged me with strawmen, accused me of being someone whom I was not, tried to get me banned, and clearly convinced a not insignificant number of formerly near-and-dear comrades to believe some or all of the aforementioned — all while I mistakenly tried to act like an adult by just walking way without defending myself — that I was perhaps a teensy-weensy bit overly defensive to Chet & Chichi's original replies.

But I shall continue to bite my tongue, and stew — as I promised that I'd do — for the sake of commenter comity.

BALLS.

not that Dewey August 17, 2012 at 9:09 pm

Now, that's comity!

MittBorg August 18, 2012 at 4:37 pm

I want to say right here and now that I know EXACTLY what Extemporanus is talking about, and if anyone wants to go back over old comments, they will too. There are Wonketteers who engage in that kind of petty game-playing. Fortunately, most of you are wonderful people. To Extem, I apologize for having been distracted by a skillful manipulator. You were put in a bad position, my friend. To defend yourself, you would have had to attack a fellow-Wonketteer. I'm very pleased that you didn't, since YOU were the individual who called ME out when I did the same thing, a lesson I took to heart and will never forget: we don't attack our own. Anyway, I don't know if you can ever resolve things with that individual. There is a tremendous ego involved there, and some very unpleasant psychological kinks. But I only wish you well, my friend, now and always.

not that Dewey September 5, 2012 at 5:20 pm

Shockingly handsome, but alas, died too young.

Chichikovovich August 17, 2012 at 10:16 pm

Good one, ntD.

not that Dewey August 17, 2012 at 10:24 pm

You guys had already used up all the words. Only the dregs of wordplay remained.

not that Dewey August 17, 2012 at 10:58 pm

MittBorg August 18, 2012 at 4:30 pm

Dude, I'm good with everybody unless I see evidence that they're bashing. I'm just not seeing anything here, except that maybe Chichikovovich, whom I love dearly, is feeling tetchy. I have no problem with his need to say what he said. It's better to say those things out loud than to let them fester. But I don't have a problem with anyone else replying in kind, either. All I'm asking is that all my beautiful, brilliant Wonketteerz remember that if WE can't get along and make this little community pleasant for ALL of us, we're being pretty fucking unrealistic in expecting that of the macrocosm out there. I love you. I hug you. If you do hateful shit to other people, I'll protest you. Other than that, we is SO fucking good.

not that Dewey August 31, 2012 at 3:24 pm

mmm…cupcakes

MittBorg August 18, 2012 at 4:38 pm

Some day I'm gonna figure out how you guys do that.

Chichikovovich August 19, 2012 at 10:49 am

[Comment needed to be split in two]
Thanks MB, for your kind affection and for the word "tetchy", which had somehow escaped my active vocabulary all these years. I will be using it often in the years to come. It's good to have you here to spread the love, in addition to all the information about Hindi singers etc.

As the years zip by it's hard to remember as far back as two days ago, but I may well have been feeling tetchy when I wrote the posts in this thread, and the earlier terse "What Chet said" that led to this one. But any tetchitude there may have been was not a cause of the posts, but rather an effect of the same cause that prompted the comments. Since I would hate for my motives to be so opaque that my comments could be chalked up to early onset male menopause, perhaps I should make clear what prompted me to write what I have written.

I've tried to avoid this kind of skirmish on the board, and I'm going to try to avoid it in the future for many reasons. Mostly I avoid it as a matter of temperament, but also I recognize there are old posting histories that extend long before I came around here, and which have generated animosities and alliances I only have the vaguest sense of. Wading into disputes as ill-informed as I generally am always produces more heat than light. So I should explain why I broke character this time.

I'm impressed by the energy and dedication with which Rebecca has taken over the editor's mantle. It's a job that requires a lot of work and creativity, and she's not only posted regular, engaging posts but she's retained a talented group of co-editors including, most recently the delightful Dok Zoom, one of our own. She's reached out to the community of bavardeurs and bavardeuses, with the get-togethers that have had a humanizing and warming effect, and reinforced a spirit of comraderie.

All of us who hang out in this neighborhood take a great deal of pleasure from reading and commenting here. That's why we stay. If it were just the posters themselves making this site the place for us, we could just find or set up an empty bare-bones posting board and move there en bloc. Of course, comments here and there indicate that a small group of regulars have done just that, setting up a board and chat room where they could discuss in-group topics, comment on the character, Wonkette contributions and twitter feeds of commenters outside the in-group, etc. but that's an activity that supplements the main Wonkette rather than substitutes for it. There is a reason why we are precisely here, rather than any of a million other places to post, and that is because of the well-chosen and engagingly written, frequently posted topics from Rebecca and the other editors that Rebecca coordinates.

As I've said, creating this framework for an active community of commenters takes hard work and commitment. And though she hasn't released the tax returns we've demanded, I expect that the financial compensation is meagre relative to the time and effort the board requires. Since I derive a lot of pleasure and even emotional reward from participating in this place, I'm grateful to Rebecca for all she has done and continues to do. As a corollary to this, I'm put into a sour mood when I detect a kind of background rumble of ingratitude over this or that minor insult or trivial real or perceived affront or whatever [insert gripe here] that Rebecca is claimed to have issued.

Chichikovovich August 19, 2012 at 11:00 am

[Part ii]
It has seemed to me over the last few months, that much of this low-grade carping has been encoded into stale references to Rebecca's dreadèd "Rules for Commenting Radicals" post. (As I've noted, the Rules post was not the style of self-introduction that I would have counseled, were I her spiritual advisor or personal shopper.) As I observed in my reply to his long comment, CapnFatback acknowledges this point, though unlike me he doesn't have a problem with it. (Though he would observe in return that the expression "low-grade carping" is tendentious and loaded, and he'd certainly be right about that, I won't argue there.) [Footnote: I should acknowledge that CptnFB subsequently qualified what he said in his original long post.] And hence my reaction to the original Extemp post, which could have been expressed more clearly and less gnomically as " 'Ostie tabarnak not this shit again. Let it go, already!"

I felt confirmed in my original diagnosis of the motive power behind the Extemp post and similar ones not just by CptnFB's acknowledgement but also by a curious absence – though CptnFB responded with two long, thought-out comments and a familiar commenters added satellite observations, and the point was made that in principle such "chops-busting" can be harmless fun against a background of explicit and reciprocally acknowledged esteem, friendship and good will, no one among the participants in the thread rushed forward to say that in fact this was such a harmless, playful instance, because "Hey, Rebecca is terrific, I love her all to crazy, and the rules stuff was just fluff that we're joshing about and I gladly reaffirm that affection here." This lacuna put me in mind of the Derrida aperçu once fashionable among the literati: absence is a kind of presence.

So I was heartened by Extemp's response, because he is one of the posters whose ingenuity and wit have given me the most genuine amusement and uplift in the months I've been around here. Against the background of the mutual openly expressed good will and connection that he describes with Rebecca, his post takes on a different tenor altogether. I'm glad to know that I was mistaken to allow that specific Extemp comment to become the crystalizing focus of the process of tetchification.

Chichikovovich August 19, 2012 at 11:06 am

In looking over the posts in this thread I realize to my embarrassment that I neglected to mention anywhere that I find your comments to be spectacularly clever, just exquisite.

I recognize that when apparent or real disagreements are aired here, this sort of acknowledgement seems to be almost obligatory as a matter of Wonkette custom, approaching "My esteemed colleague" boilerplate status sometimes. But in this case it is also 100% true.

MittBorg August 19, 2012 at 1:57 pm

My dear Chich, my virtual friend and source of much information, thank you kindly for the explanation (with footnotes and a certain intellectual rigour born of long toil in the mines of academia!). I agree with you on almost everything you have written, in part because I'm an agreeable sort. You owe me no explanation, my friend. I'm aware of the various cross-currents and have chosen to respond in an enlightened-ostrich fashion. I insist on thinking the best of everyone here, I love this community, I will do whatever I can to keep it healthy and alive, and I try to ignore the occasional spit or spat. Like you, I'm here because it makes me happy to be among the like-minded and for dearth of intelligent company IRL (not because they're not around but because I'm a gimp). I'm glad y'all settled it between you because I love each and every one of you. I can't abide injustice, and it seemed to me you were picking on Extem, so I turned that into "tetchy," (and I'm delighted and surprised to have introduced a word into your impressive multilingual vocabulary). As Extem said, we're all good. Or maybe I said it. I'm too old to nurse grudges or judge. Just glad to be here in such stellar company.

And now, in true pedantic fashion: It's not "Hindi" music, dear. Hindi is the language. The *music,* depending on what you're referring to, is Hindustani music ("stan" means "country," and "Hindustan" just means "that country where the Hindus live." However, I don't think I've ever graced this site with my comments on such, so you're probably referring to Qawwali music, which is NOT Hindustani, but part of a long Islamic tradition. Arabic/Persian in origin, it is the style of music popularized by the descendants of the Moghul conquerors, although these days it's associated more often with the Sufis. (Hugs you most fondly) You're a good soul, Chich. That's way more important to me than anything.

MittBorg August 19, 2012 at 2:09 pm

Ah, WTH, why not? I feel obliged to add a second post, just to, I dunno, keep my hand in (in what we won't say).

I want to thank you for pointing out (and it does seem to need pointing out to some of the disgruntled) that our Editrix is doing a terrific job of keeping this community a *community.* I was very discombobulated when she took over and it took a while to adjust. But she has kept this place buzzing and it's great to check in at midday and find all the days hot topix covered, instead of a drunken (if greatly appreciated) and hungover Ken posting bitter, bitter screeds that had us all contemplating a quick exit con drogas y armas. So, shout-out to BeccaLou. Herding cats would be WAY easier than keeping us happy.

Also, too, I'm truly pleased to see so many new people here! We NEED new blood. BWAHAHA.

Chichikovovich August 19, 2012 at 2:11 pm

It's good to be on a subject that matters, rather than board stuff. I was talking about the language – though perhaps “music in Hindi” would have been a more apt phrase. I was referring to the time I had asked you what language Mohammed Rafi was singing in the “Jan Pehechaan Ho” song/video; since he is a Muslim I was guessing Urdu. (Careless: I should have taken the time to check the names of the songwriters too.) You told me it was Hindi. Quality information right there – I was immediately one microGauss smarter.*[A "Gauss" is a unit I use to measure knowledge, equal to the amount of information contained in the Disquisitiones Arithmeticae. I realize there are those who use "Gauss" as a measure of magnetic flux density, but they are just confused.]—

Chichikovovich August 19, 2012 at 2:14 pm

Personally, of course, I like nothing more than hungover, bitter, bitter screeds. But I'm discovering that Rebecca's brand of sunshine has its virtues too.—

MittBorg August 19, 2012 at 2:17 pm

No, no, no, baba, that's NOT Hindi music! That's a WHOLE different category — FILMI music. Swear to god. You can walk down the streets of Mumbai anytime and ask where you can hear "filmi" music, and any one of a thousand obliging souls will send you off to listen to something like Jan Pehechaan Ho. I used to HATE that stuff as a kid, but that song has pretty much converted me.

So, with Filmi music, the language can be anything, and indeed there is filmi music in Tamil, Gujarati, Urdu, Bangla, and almost every language found in the subcontinent.

I love this. It was so confusing when I started learning anything about it, and I'm delighted to find it can confuse even one so brilliant as you.

MittBorg August 19, 2012 at 2:21 pm

I love Ken, and will confess to occasionally trudging through the Wonkette archives to read some of his classics. But if you're having a bad day, man … there were a couple of posts from him that had me eyeing the guns with a certain longing. Frankly, I find the sunshine and roses a mite difficult at times. But I can vent my bile elsewhere, and I want BeccaLou to succeed and make lots of munnies because *she's* a good person too, with values very similar to mine own.

Chichikovovich August 19, 2012 at 3:20 pm

Yeah, well, if I were editor you'd look back upon the Layne epoch as the “bouncy, peppy sparkly fun times”. But let a thousand flowers bloom, in the words of the Great Helmsman.—

Chichikovovich August 19, 2012 at 3:21 pm

Good comment – at least another 5 microGauss's in there.—

MittBorg August 19, 2012 at 3:24 pm

(Hugs you) I am awed by your intellect, and it pleases me that I can contribute a mite to your enormous fund of knowledge. Absolutely snarkless.

MittBorg August 19, 2012 at 3:25 pm

I saved my Cultural Revolution reading for after the Film (not Filmi) phase. Now you're making my brain itch.

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