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Kentucky GOP Outraged Colleges Want Students to Know Things

Very busy manufacturing climate data.Kentucky Republicans passed education legislation in 2009 that made it easier to compare the state’s students to other states. Now they’re very upset that the results came back Stupid.

ACT, the state’s testing company, interviews professors to figure out the things most important to student readiness for college, which sounds like a smart thing to do. Unfortunately, those professors have bad news: If you want students to do well in biology classes, they have to know about evolution.

Rather predictably, the Kentucky GOP is madder than a plumber in a Chipotle.

“I think we are very committed to being able to take Kentucky students and put them on a report card beside students across the nation,” said Republican Sen. David Givens. “We’re simply saying to the ACT people we don’t want what is a theory to be taught as a fact in such a way it may damage students’ ability to do critical thinking.”

Yes! Let’s teach students about how Chuck E. Cheese made the Earth out of popsicle sticks three years ago. We don’t want to damage them.

It gets even better. From the Lexington Herald-Leader:

Givens said he asked the ACT representatives about possibly returning to a test personalized for Kentucky, but he was told that option was very expensive and time-consuming.

Aw, come on, Smart People. Is that so unreasonable? All Kentucky wants is national guidelines that exempt the state from knowing science, because the best way to prepare students for college classes is obviously to ignore the advice of the people teaching them. Don’t worry, they have a totally real and responsible argument:

“The theory of evolution is a theory, and essentially the theory of evolution is not science — Darwin made it up,” [Rep. Ben] Waide said. “My objection is they should ensure whatever scientific material is being put forth as a standard should at least stand up to scientific method. Under the most rudimentary, basic scientific examination, the theory of evolution has never stood up to scientific scrutiny.”

See? It’s simple — evolution isn’t real. Not like Jesus! Have you even HEARD of the scientific method, biologists? It’s a little thing where you get evidence for a thing, and continue testing that thing, except in cases where an invisible man made the heavens and the earth, then you have to believe it and definitely teach it as science and DON’T YOU BE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, HEATHEN.

What say you, Vincent Cassone, chairman of the University of Kentucky biology department?

“The theory of evolution is the fundamental backbone of all biological research.”

Oh.

“There is more evidence for evolution than there is for the theory of gravity, than the idea that things are made up of atoms, or Einstein’s theory of relativity. It is the finest scientific theory ever devised.”

Wait wait wait. Are you saying… are you saying we have more evidence for evolution than for gravity? ARE YOU SAYING WE DON’T HAVE EVIDENCE FOR GRAVITY?

Somebody get Kentucky on the phone. It’s about to float away. [Lexington Herald-Leader]

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227 comments

    1. Preferred Customer

      Interesting. Because the conclusion I drew is that Sen. Givens needs a good thagomizing.

      1. finallyhappy

        I 've been to those temples in India and what impressed me more than the erotic carvings were the temples with the huge Shiva lingams. It was suggested I embrace one as it helps women who want children. At the time I was in India- the last thing I wanted was a child.

    1. TootsStansbury

      Satan holds us on the ground. When Jesus comes back he'll vanquish Satan's power and all the Jesus freaks will fly up ro heaven. Silly people.

      1. Butch_Wagstaff

        Here I thought it was my big feet, which are also very very sticky on the bottom, that held me on Earth.

  1. johnnyzhivago

    As long as Kentucky boys and girls are good with their shootin' sticks they should be fine for what President Mitt has in store for them when we invade Iran and turn it into a Mormon/Israeli playground.

  2. ttommyunger

    Thank you, Kentucky. I was starting to feel really bad about living in the State with the most corrupt Government in the Country (Georgia); but at least it isn't the dumbest State in the Union.

    1. Oblios_Cap

      God bless Nathan Deal! But I doubt your state is more corrupt than mine. South Florida is the laboratory for every new criminal scheme concocted. Flor-i-duh!

          1. ttommyunger

            Oh I think there are more worthy adjectives out there begging to be employed.Sent from my iPhone

        1. HistoriCat

          "Dumb, corrupt, and shooty" is the perfect description for Rick Perry – I think Texas may be taking the lead here.

        1. BerkeleyBear

          Why you gotta limit her like that? Ol' Ginny is dumber than anyone, gender or race be damned. I'm pretty sure she's dumber than my dog, who isn't very bright (but like Ginny has found people pathetic enough to enable her behavior).

          1. ttommyunger

            Yup. Five dogs and a cat boss my narrow ass around every day. How dumb is that?Sent from my iPhone

      1. finallyhappy

        I alway think of Fannie Foxx and Wilbur Mills when I hear of your rep- but Fannie has a lot more going for her

        1. BerkeleyBear

          The two were only the ones dumb enough to get caught. They are the veritable tip of the Illinois iceberg of graft.

          But I will give the Georgia legislature props – they've been bought and paid for since the 18th century, so they have every other state beat for longevity.

          1. ttommyunger

            The Georgia Legislature has not only institutionalized corruption, they have legalized it.Sent from my iPhone

  3. facehead

    You can't teach kids about evolution, or the next thing you know they'll be asking about penis and vagina.

  4. Oblios_Cap

    “We’re simply saying to the ACT people we don’t want what is a theory to be taught as a fact in such a way it may damage students’ ability to do critical thinking.”

    Yes! Because everyone knows that nothing damages critical thinking skills like teaching kids different theories and comparing them to other theories.

    It's in the Bible, folks!

    1. finallyhappy

      And I don't believe that advanced mathematics are valid either- that would have helped my SAT and GRE scores

  5. noodlesalad

    I love how these conservative knuckledraggers complain about cultural relativists in higher ed all the fucking time, but have no problem thinking that their own twisted fictions should be given the same weight as established science. Proving once again that you CAN have your cake and eat it, too, if you are a Republican and no one ever calls you on your bullshit.

  6. metamarcisf

    Until yesterday, I was a big proponent of evolution. Then that picture of the Loch Ness Monster surfaced.

    1. Butch_Wagstaff

      I had a recent conversion, too. Eerie, huh? I saw a dinosaur appear in my office. It unzipped it's back and turns out it was just Jesus in a costume!

  7. Arkoday

    Your mean to be funning about they're schooling! Their are peoples thier who values there education. You're attacks will not….ah fuck it.

  8. Grief_Lessons

    Fortunately the future will always need ditch diggers and actors for porn, and the students of Kentucky will still be eligible to fill these positions.

  9. Chet Kincaid_

    Part of the problem, from way back, is that Bible-reading idiots don't know what the definition of a "theory" is in science. Hint: a "theory" is not the unproven precursor to a "fact."

    1. Tundra Grifter

      CK: From time to time I debate a mouth-breather over at Amazon (under reviews for "The Amateur") who whines that President Obama believes the US Constitution is a document of negative liberties.

      She does kinda understand the word "negative," so she assumes Mr. Obama hates the Constitution.

      Sad, really. Or pathetic. Also.

    2. PsycWench

      Even worse…I have come to believe, based on discussions with our Biology colleagues, that the leaders of these right-wing groups fully understand that evolution is a fact. But condemning evolution= $$$$, so if the Bible-reading idiots' scientific illiteracy means that they make their poverty worse by tossing money away, so be it.

      1. Greg Little

        I agree – look at the Discovery institute, the progenitors/organizers of the "intelligent design" industry: that outfit was founded by educated men with establishment connections; and they pimped the field of science denialism as efficiently as possible. Though it might be news to the profoundly ignorant, provincial wingnuts who've bought the D.I. propaganda, denying evolution has made an already-elite class of right-wing professionals very rich…

      2. SoBeach

        No doubt about it. The religious and political leaders know and don't care that creationism is a crock of shit. They know the goobers are idiots, but they're more than happy to take their money and votes.

  10. ChrisM2011

    I think the state just found their new license plate tagline!

    "Kentucky: We're dumber than you think."

    1. Tundra Grifter

      Growing up in southern Ohio, we mocked Kentucky the way others made fun of Pollacks or blondes.

      "What's the state bird of Kentucky?" The fly.

      "What does it say on the bottom of Coke bottles in Kentucky?" Open Other End.

      Stuff like that there.

      1. BoatOfVelociraptors

        Growing up in a tulip farming town, there was an entire hierarchy of hick jokes. The kids from Mount Vernon would mock the Burlington boys, who would then mock those kids from Sedro Wooley, and god help you if you came from the town of Concrete.

  11. arihaya

    “We’re simply saying to the ACT people we don’t want what is a theory to be taught as a fact

    So they won't tell that theory about that Jew who got nailed to a wood plank to death by some Italians in Palestine, but somehow could went back to life for a Sunday picnic?

    1. Tundra Grifter

      Did you ever hear the bit on Al Franken's old radio show where a Blackfoot Chief debates creation myths with Pat Robertson?

      Genius – sheer genius.

  12. ManchuCandidate

    Critical and thinking don't come to mind when it comes to the bullshit that is Creationism.

    I don't think the Hillbilly Kentucky GOPer knows what those words mean.

    1. Misty Malarky

      I notice the Creation Museum is having themselves a 'Deaf Day'.

      Maybe Ernest Angley can show up and cure 'em – for a small fee, naturally.

      1. finallyhappy

        I used to love to watch him in the middle of the night before I had real cable. say BAYBEE, say JAYSUS!!!

    2. banana_bread

      I was once traveling through KY to go to Mammoth Cave (awesome place) and my group sat around Cracker Barrel making jokes about this place. It was only after getting some really nasty stares that we realized we were like five miles from it. I could almost hear the banjos.

  13. fartknocker

    Down here in Texas we don't screw with scientific theories. Instead we focus on all text books to ensure they mention Jesus on every 3rd page. Which can be tough because it's hard to interject God All Mighty when working through Bernoulli's equation for incompressible fluids. Praise God for conservation of energy! Amen.

      1. Generation[redacted]

        It doesn't matter what you enter into a Texas Instruments calculator. It displays the answer, "God Did It."

  14. Beowoof

    All that knowing stuff doesn't make for people who will accept living in poverty while those at the top continue to screw them over.

    1. OneYieldRegular

      Only slightly off topic, but while renting a vacation house a couple years ago, we found a jigsaw puzzle featuring a sort of primitivist illustration of Noah's ark. It depicted all the animals streaming up the ramp into the ark with a trio of dinosaurs off to the side, looking forlorn.

        1. YasserArraFeck

          Hard for them to wave those little-bitty arms in the air while wailing "Save Me, Jeebus!!!!"
          So they went extinct.
          Christianny Natch'rul Slect'shun

  15. Tommy1733

    I hate when lawmakers threaten my children by wanting to keep them from learning about the world. Yet I have a certain understanding of their issue. I mean, if you look around you at any given time, in daily life, there is no evidence for evolution – everything looks designed. We can experience gravity, but we can't experience quantum physics. So people have to place their trust in some outside agency to provide existential stability. The bible being used in that capacity has a longer history than does science. I don't really mind if students are taught that there are some people who believe in creationism, as long as this hypothesis is presented alongside real science, so that kids can see why one is scientifically valid and the other isn't. That would be a worthwhile lesson to learn. Unfortunately, I think the real underlying motivation for much of the "christian" "right" is that they are sincerely afraid god will be mad at us if we get it wrong. I'd like to see that hypothesis tested in science classes too.

    1. MoeDeLawn

      Dumbasses read the bible; they're "afraid" God will be mad? He's worse than mad; he's like a freaking tweaker! "Hey, Abraham! Get your son and meet me up on that hill…"

  16. JustPixelz

    The day is fast approaching when your doctor's foreign accent is far more comforting than his or her Southern accent.

    Cutting taxes for rich people to create jobs is just a theory too. Let's call it "faith based economics".

    For that matter, God is a theory. Where's the proof? Is it that the tornado didn't destroy your family photo album?

    1. Tundra Grifter

      Back in June, the Booth School of Economics (University of Chicago) surveyed economists. Some 80% agreed that President Obama's stimulus package helped the national economy – with some variation, of course, in agreement with various parts of it (job growth, job preservation, GDP growth, etc.).

      The survey did not find a single academically credentialed economist who agreed with the theory that cutting taxes can raise government revenues.

      JP: "Faith-based economics" is priceless!

    2. SigDeFlyinMonky

      The Publican's dominant economic ideology can be most accurately described as faith based free market fundamentalism that stands in opposition to observable fact.

  17. eggsacklywright

    OT: Assange gets asylum in Ecuador. Now if they can just get him from the embassy to a plane.

    1. Guppy

      And risk having their gallons (and fifths of gallons) be a little smaller than the rest of the country?

  18. Douché

    We should Merge Kentucky and Kansas, deny them any gravity and let them both float away to heaven.

    1. PubOption

      Oh crap, I live in Missouri, and it sounds like I might get floated off as well. Mind you our legislature has just introduced a 'Right to Pray' bill, which allows children to be exempted from any any lesson at school which is at odds with their religious beliefs.

  19. Steverino247

    “There is more evidence for evolution than there is for the theory of gravity, than the idea that things are made up of atoms, or Einstein’s theory of relativity. It is the finest scientific theory ever devised.”

    Which is exactly why it's under attack. There's the scientific method of resolving problems and the faith-based method of resolving problems. One method makes human progress possible and the other method allows pedophiles to remain priests or football coaches at Penn State.

  20. Pragmatist2

    The strongest argument against evolution is the stupidity of Republican members of state legislatures.

  21. Texan_Bulldog

    I think Vincent Cassone, chairman of the University of Kentucky biology department, is probably the smartest SOB in that whole state.

    1. Preferred Customer

      How many nights per week, on average, does he quietly weep himself to sleep? In Kentucky, the answer is 8.

    1. Boojum

      Inbreeding is actually a great way to spur evolution. The part they are forgetting is the need to cull the defectives, aka, the GOP base.

  22. Ruhe

    It's not about Jeebus or faith or the scientific method. It's about the money. I live three miles from the "Creation Museum". They take in suckers by the bus load every day, including a lot of school bus loads. These Kentucky legis-ludites are just protecting their own interest. Campaign contributions from well educated rational humanists are in short supply, especially for those running on a platform of "more-guns-less-abortions-makes-Jesus-happy". The progression here is obvious. First you dumb down the primary and secondary schools, then you insist that the state supported universities and colleges dumb it down too. Then you inform all Kentucky graduates that it would be best if they just not leave the state…ever.

    1. AbandonHope_

      When does the part when they secede from the Union and become the "Democratic Divine Grand Republic of Kentucky" happen? Because I really want to see that part.

      1. BigSkullF*ckingDog

        I could explain it, but it would just be some bullshit theory I just pulled out of my ass. Safer to go with Jesus.

    1. Greg Little

      I can't even tackle that quesiton right now – I'm still trying to figure out the mystery of the thermos: It keeps things hot…it keeps things cold…

    2. finallyhappy

      I worked for a science agency for 25 years- and I still wake up wondering why airplanes don't just fall down out of the sky- also why E=MC squared

  23. EatsBabyDingos

    But what about the abortosaurus? That was the gay Dino's fault, so he was flintstoned by the crowd.

  24. OneYieldRegular

    Are they building an Anti-Gravity Museum there yet? Because that's something I'd visit.

    1. BigSkullF*ckingDog

      When I was a smallskullf*ckingdog I used to hear "dark soft chasm" instead of "dark sarcasm". It always grossed me out a lot.

  25. Not_So_Much

    Kentucky = stoopid, Mississippi = lardass. Been some helpful breaking news the last two days.

    1. banana_bread

      The sad thing is, Kentucky is really pretty and most of the people I met were quite nice. It's just that their mob mentality takes their IQ through the floor.

  26. SoBeach

    …The theory of evolution is a theory, and essentially the theory of evolution is not science — Darwin made it up

    No snark here.

    There are some issues where compromise is possible. There are some issues where people can respectfully disagree.

    This ain't one of them.

    Fundamentalist morons pushing creationism instead of science need to be reminded they are slack-jawed idiots at every opportunity. People have tried for decades to reason with them and educate them but they are the most willfully ignorant people on the planet. They will never, ever honestly or rationally deal with anything that contradicts their ridiculous beliefs. So scorn and ridicule it is.

    1. PsycWench

      Well, I'm all for teaching creationism as an alternative to evolution, just as soon as astrology is offered as an alternative to astronomy and alchemy is offered as an alternative to chemistry.

      1. Boojum

        I believe that, as an alternative to astrophysics and cosmology, colleges should be required to teach the theory of "turtles all the way down."

  27. Generation[redacted]

    Look, I just want Kentucky students to have the critical thinking skills to realize that we could float away, and consider that nothing is holding airplanes in the sky. Also, microwave ovens. Magic box? I think so.

    Oh, and dentistry? In Kentucky, just another untested theory.

    1. jjbearphx

      I asked a pilot what keeps an airplane in the air, his answer was "Force of habit"
      So you can't get me with a sanity clause because there is no such person.

  28. Tundra Grifter

    Just don't get Reps. Givens and Waide started on man-made climate change. They don't want sinners to have to wait for Hell – they want them to roast right here on earth.

    Of course, so will the Godly, but then, no theory is perfect, now is it?

  29. belmontreport

    I know that they don't understand Evolution at all, but part of that might be because they don't really understand what a scientific "theory" is and don't use the term "critical thinking" correctly.

    I weep at night knowing that the adults making policy decisions about science education can't define theory and critical thinking. Can we get those to definitions out of the way first, and then we can move on to explaining Evolution?

  30. Guppy

    What say you, Vincent Cassone, chairman of the University of Kentucky biology department?

    Let us all turn to John 1:23 for the Bible Quote of the Day:

    I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness

  31. amoamas

    I joined this site because I had been led to believe that you are the go-to, arts-based aggregator for pictures of Meghan McCain's boobs.

    What's with all of the high-falutin' education theory? Is this, like, an academic conference site? Kentucky today, Heidegger tomorrow?

    1. zippy_w_pinhead

      in all fairness, Meghan McCain's boobs have certainly evolved since her formative years. Something, something, mountains from molehills, something, something…

  32. qwerty42

    We’re simply saying to the ACT people we don’t want what is a theory to be taught as a fact in such a way it may damage students’ ability to do critical thinking.
    I know I and probably most others rest easy knowing we can always look to our wise, thoughtful solons for leadership and insight. Certainly, state legislatures (and – clearly – Kentucky's most of all) provide a rich source of inspiration for everyone. I mean, if we can't take scientific advice from a legislator, well who can we call on? If FDR had been smart, he would have looked to the state legislatures for that "Manhattan Engineering District" thing.

  33. Chet Kincaid_

    Growing up in a fundie Christian household as a person with a brain, I settled all these issues for myself way back in the late '70s before even reaching drinking age. Our local, mediocre little library contained enough popular science and Creationist-debunking literature to make the discussion clear. My point is, unless Kentucky destroys their public library system, there will still be the possibility that children will develop wicked independence of thought.

    1. Oblios_Cap

      Well, you do technically have freedom to choose. Just don't choose wrong, or it's the firey pit for you!

      What always kills me is the way those people always prate on about "god's plan for their life" and then deny believing in fate.

      1. schvitzatura

        How "God's loose set of suggested guidelines for their lives". Seeing it is about free will and all, right?

        Literalism seems to eff it all up though…

  34. Estproph

    I refuse to accept any kind of criticism of the scientific method from people who believe that Elvis was taken away in a UFO by space aliens.

  35. insidebeltway

    So Kentucky, when you get gonorrhea and the antibiotics don't work, don't blame evolution, it's just god's will.

  36. bureaucrap

    Perhaps instead of science and math, we can prepare an alternative for them and their ilk which tests them on what they think is important, viz. "When Eboazer and Yalel went unto Bethel there to meet the Amorite king and bestow upon him the greetings of King Zecharianib, how many ephahs of corn did they bring unto him?"

    Not that this body of knowledge has any practical use whatsoever, but at least it demonstrates an ability to engage in rote memorization of useless facts, which makes it not too different than anything else we learn for standardized tests.

    1. MosesInvests

      "'Then slew they the goats, yea, and put they the bits into tiny pots.' Here endeth the lesson."

  37. CogitoErgoSumo

    How do we know the toothbrush was invented in Kentucky? If it were invented anywhere else, it would be called a teethbrush, Sorry. Old joke. Sorry.

  38. MonkeyMotion

    Oh for f**ks sake! Then let's just use KY for storing nuclear waste.

    Cuz, you know, all that radioactive sciency stuff is just smartypants theory.

  39. rickmaci

    Hey Kentucky, I have Mississippi on the line and they are pissed off that you stole their Stupidest Legislature in the Union designation.

  40. JCE1985

    Yeah, Darwin "made it up." He didn't have to really do anything. And all the evidence that came in later that ended up strongly supporting evolution? Made up.

    Now tell me more about this crazy Jesus fella. You say he's got magical powers, and he's the son of god but he's really god anyway and he poops rainbows and is a white guy who loves guns?

  41. fuflans

    the Kentucky GOP is madder than a plumber in a Chipotle

    i can't think of anything funnier than that so i'm just not going to say anything.

  42. lloyd32

    Somebody has to say it–it's awfully lazy and stupid to slander an entire state based on one GOPer's mind-boggling awfulness. I'm reasonably certain that most of you do not think less of Minnesota because of Michele Bachmann or New York because of Peter King, and so on. But when the state is southern and, "worse" yet, partially Appalachian, painting the entire state with the broadest of strokes is somehow OK to many of you. Why is that?

    And to answer the question you're probably asking, yes, I live in Kentucky, and I love my home state despite its horribly frustrating politics. There are millions of thoughtful, educated, forward-thinking people in this state who embody the progressive, tolerant principles you'd claim to hold dear (but which you're not living up to right now).

    But enough of all that. I hope your smugness and your false sense of superiority keeps you warm at night. I'm off to find a cousin to impregnate.

    1. comrad_darkness

      Very new, it appears.

      Everyone's state takes a turn, that's why there frequently are competitive statements such as: "hey, thanks Georgia, there were two Arizona articles in a row, and we needed the break."

      1. carolinaswamp

        Remember my occasional pleas that South Carolina not be abandoned, the state with the unofficial motto (from James L. Petigru on the eve of secession) "South Carolina is too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum." We continue to prove him wrong on the latter part.

  43. smokingood

    As someone who teaches a technical subject at a certain large public university in KY, I can assure Sen. Givens that worrying about my student's critical thinking skills is getting way ahead of ourselves. Reading and arithmetic would be a more reasonable starting point.

  44. lumpenprole

    "…a test personalized for Kentucky, but he was told that option was very expensive and time-consuming."

    How could anyone resist the idea of getting paid to create that test? Just imagine the mirth when the test scores are announced.

  45. Loren

    I grew up in Kentucky and this does not surprise me at all.
    We only learned about 'micro' evolution in my science class.
    We learned about Jesus in History class (becuase the bible is the same as history).
    And my old high school recently did away with sex ed because 'to many kids were getting pregnant'.
    STOP BEING STUPID KENTUCKY!

  46. gogogodzilla

    They apparently don't like math either: "Unlike the 'modern math' theorists, who believe that mathematics is a creation of man and thus arbitrary and relative, A Beka Book teaches that the laws of mathematics are a creation of God and thus absolute…A Beka Book provides attractive, legible, and workable traditional mathematics texts that are not burdened with modern theories such as set theory."
    http://www.abeka.com/Distinctives.aspx

    Set theory is the spawn of Satan.

  47. Nowisallthereis

    Kentucky SAT Test: 1. Which way is up (A-up, B-Jesus)
    2. Who's your daddy (A-my brother, B-Jesus)
    3. What is 2+2 (A-can I use my toes to count?, B-Jesus)
    4. If your front porch collapses how many dogs underneath will be killed (A-none cause that's where my brother/daddy sleeps, B-Jesus)

  48. schvitzatura

    Double Dog Dare Derp:

    Lynne (Klingeman) Givens, wife of 18 years, teaches Biology at Green County High School and coaches Varsity Girls Volleyball.

  49. slamtundra

    True story: I tried to send this Waide motherfucker a message letting him know how proud he's making his constituents and the rest of the country, but he misspelled his own name on his contact page. But don't worry; I got my message to him.

  50. Baba_NinjaCat12

    If the smart christian educated Kentucky republican legislature believe in Evolution is a made-up theory, then Gravity is also a made-up theory. Then, why don't they test it out by, um, driving off a cliff and not look down. Willy E. Coyote would never have fallen off a cliff after failing to catch the Roadrunner, he could have cross the canyon safely.

  51. whatupirondog

    Don't forget this part:

    "Givens said he asked the ACT representatives about possibly returning to a test personalized for Kentucky, but he was told that option was very expensive and time-consuming."

    That's the key: Not "We won't conform to your stupidity because it's wrong and you're hurting your children's educations" but "Sure! What changes in the nature of reality do you want? That will be an extra $10,000!"

    Knowing ACT as I do, this reaction does not surprise me in the least. Fear for your children.

  52. jjbearphx

    Wait wait wait In KY the earth is still flat and the sun revolves around the earth?
    Geometry is not taught because it is theory that proves a triangle is a triangle and that a square is a square?
    Do they still use the cubit as a form of measurement not the english or metric system?

  53. comrad_darkness

    "Givens said he asked the ACT representatives about possibly returning to a test personalized for Kentucky, but he was told that option was very expensive and time-consuming."

    Shorter version: Kentucky is "Special"

  54. fishwharf

    Perhaps Senator Givens is unaware of the fact that 86 years ago in his neighboring state of Tennessee the Scopes Monkey Trial caused endless ridicule to be heaped upon that state. A science teacher in Dayton, Tennessee was put on trial for teaching evolution. The story is well told in Stanley Cramer's film, Inherit the Wind, starring Spencer Tracy.

  55. dopper0189

    If I was unevolved like Republican Sen. David Givens I wouldn't believe in evolution either. Senator Givens is all like "if evolution is real why am I still an Australopithecus and my constituents are still Cro-Magnon" suckers!!!

  56. labman57

    Socially-regressive conservative politicians are on a quest to send public K-12 curriculum back 100 years with legislation designed to propagate right wing revisionist history in social studies classes, and proselytize religious ideology and promote corporate-funded anti-environmental propaganda in the science classroom.

    Alas, the rest of the nation did not get the memo.

  57. ChapterUndVerse

    "Givens said he asked the ACT representatives about possibly returning to a test personalized for Kentucky, but he was told that option was very expensive and time-consuming."

    Gosh, couldn't they just privatize, that, also too?

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