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Turk Says Olympics Turning Ladies To Men, Freepers Torn Between Anti-Feminism And Anti-Turkishness

All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again.It is a tradition as old as the Olympics itself: Some idiot notices that muscular women and muscular men, being actual members of the same actual species, look somewhat similar to each other, and declares that sports have brought about the “death of femininity.” The misogynist du jour is Turkish columnist Yüksel Aytuğ, who kicked up an online shitstorm with a column titled “Womanhood is Dying at the Olympics,” in which he complained about seeing

“Broad-shouldered, flat-chested women with small hips; [they are] totally indistinguishable from men. Their breasts – the symbol of womanhood, motherhood – flattened into stubs as they were seen as mere hindrances to speed.”

“I am not even talking about female javelin throwers, shot-put athletes, weightlifters, wrestlers and boxers,” Aytuğ said. “Their appearance is just pathetic.”

Aytuğ went on to say that, in distorting the feminine form, sports had perpetrated “violence against women,” and ended the column by suggesting that future Olympics reward competitors with bonus points for looking “feminine” during competitions, adding that “Otherwise we will destroy the grace and naïveté of women through the Olympics.”

News of the column prompted outrage among readers worldwide, particularly enlightened Western men who condemned Aytuğ’s provincial sexism and misogyny while noting that they thought that muscular women athletes were totally hot and fuckable as hell.

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A Free Republic post about the column met with mixed reactions. The first comment on the topic simply said “Glad for my semi-anonymity here…the Turk is absolutely right,” to which another poster added “I agree with you — and I’m a woman.”

Other Freepers chimed in to denounce Aytuğ’s views as “typical Muslim trash”; one wag added that “a Muslim male commenting about women is like Obama commenting about capitalism — neither knows what he talking about!”

Several posts actually sounded nearly feminist in outlook — “Just my two cents but these women are ATHLETES. They aren’t runway or swimsuit models. They train, eat, train some more for their chosen sport” — while others noted that feminism has done more to destroy femininity than any athletic competition could:

I’m perplexed by the idea of femininity anymore. The militant feminists worked for decades to get to this point. Now we’ve got people saying, “Maybe we went too far?” We’ve got media elites looking for rail-thin women to model and are being told that sexpots like Marilyn Monroe were “obese” by “today’s standards.” — rarestia

Inevitably, the talk turned to the Decline of Masculinity as well:

Far worse, the emasculation of men in the United States has destroyed American male’s ability to compete with other nations. Of the 34 medals won by the U.S., 23 of them were won by women….

One look at television, notably the commercials, and the push is on to empower girls (girl power!) and women at the expense of boys and men. Males are marginalized, mocked, belittled, and even slapped by women and no one seems to care nor change this pattern. — GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

To which another replied,

EXACTLY. The masculinization of women has accompanied the emasculation of men.

This is about the whole society, not the fraction of 1% who are super-athletes.

Our great grandparents sent their daughters to finishing schools, where they would learn the finer points of hospitality and motherhood….and we send ours to soccer camps, where they can learn how to compete, curse, run, sweat, spit and scratch.

I find the wholesale denigration of femininity–with the concomitant emasculation of men–in our culture very sad. — AnalogReigns

We are unsure how to read one reply to AnalogReigns: “You can’t be serious…soccer in [sic] not womanly??” Our guess is that this is more of a “Haw-haw, soccer’s so faggy” comment than a defense of soccer as an appropriate sport for women. Another response to the same comment, however, sounded dangerously like someone who’s been indoctrinated in the government schools:

So, what you are saying is that females that are athletic and competitive aren’t “real” women? FYI: girls that get involved in a sport usually do better in school. Uh… real school not learning to serve tea or arrange flowers correctly in a vase. “… they can learn how to compete, run, sweat, spit and scratch”. Gosh, women actually exercising and SWEATING! Imagine how stupid these girls are to want to keep their bodies healthy by competing in a sport. — momtothree

AnalogReigns shot back with impeccable logic:

That’s right, America today is SOOO much better than the America of our grandparents. Other than 60,000,000 abortions, STDs, divorce, fatherless children, poverty, homosexuality, AIDS, gangs, murder-rate…feminism has made us just a grand place.

Would you like some more Koolaid?

To her credit, momtothree called him on the nonsequitur, adding

I suggest you research the benefits of females that compete in sports… read a little about how young women benefit by healthy competition and exercise. Granted, American society has more evils than the times of our grandparents BUT involving young girls/women in sports helps parents reduce the risk of many of these evils.

(We pretty much like momtothree a lot here. We’ll just leave before we find out what she thinks about capital punishment, marriage equality, immigration, or That One Alaskan Woman, thanks.)

But really, why all this whining about GIRLS anyway?

Today, it’s all about girls, girls, girls. I would HATE to be a boy today. Even the Disney movies are obsessed with ‘girl power’; Tangled, Brave, etc.. It’s pretty obvious that on a national level females are being ‘put in charge’ of everything because it’s easier for the government to manipulate them. — GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

We’ll close with the lament of a gentleman who was just plain disappointed that even the premier cheesecake event was insufficiently titillating:

I was watching beach volleyball the other day, and just thought the same thing as well. Expecting something nice to watch, but half the time I was just thinking, “Those are some tiny boobies. Sad day.” — Svartalfiar

And so, thanks to the thoughful patriots of Free Republic, we see conclusive proof that USA AMERICA has the superior culture, and only a backwards, crazy Turkish guy would grumble about how the Olympics have made the ladies bazooms all flattened and unladyfied. American exceptionalism takes the gold!

Special thanks to Kid Zoom for alerting us to this story!

[Daily Mail / Free Republic]

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187 comments

        1. James Michael Curley

          Great! You have now qualified Wankette for the 2012 EPPY Award nominations for Best Sports Website and Best Sex Website.

          1. miss_grundy

            The premier American beach volleyball athletes are married womenz. I'm sure their husbands do not complain about their small boobies. After all, you only need a mouthful…..

  1. Barb_

    Congratulations to Mitt Romney and the GOP for the gold medal in the Olympic synchronized lying competition.

  2. actor212

    It’s pretty obvious that on a national level females are being ‘put in charge’ of everything because it’s easier for the government to manipulate them.

    Because no man has ever taken orders to, say, run into a hail of bullets for a shitty little piece of land.

    1. shelwood46

      No lie, the folks in charge of Olympic Women's Boxing tried to mandate they wear skirts because "you can't tell they're women". The IOC, amazingly, overruled them.

  3. Generation[redacted]

    I guess this guy didn't see women's trampoline. Or was that a rerun of The Man Show?

    Anyway, I'm sure the judges award extra points for bouncy jugs.

  4. actor212

    That’s right, America today is SOOO much better than the America of our grandparents.

    TB, no antibiotics, and all those factory jobs laying fallow as all our workers are off fighting in the trenches of Europe and ships in the Pacific. Gee, where would we be without women?

    1. Fukui-sanYesOta

      This is Free Republic we're talking about. Their grandparents were alive during the great depression. That must have been awesome.

  5. Goonemeritus

    It’s not sport that has brought about the death of femininity it is those darn little cans of pepper spray.

    1. tessiee

      Those muslins are so mean to their women, they pour boiling hot wax over the poor woman's mustache, and then rip it out by the roots.

      Oh, wait, that's the spas here.

  6. Oblios_Cap

    It's not the Freepers are going to get any – not even K-Lo.

    that muscular women athletes are totally hot and fuckable as hell.

    Sing it, Doc!

  7. dcjdjay

    And I can bet that 99% of these manly men who are whining about women not being feminine enough are lard-laden, slovenly slobs who are about as far from the male athletic ideal as Rush Limbaugh.

  8. SorosBot

    Yeah, AnalogReigns, women were so much better off back in the day when they faced legal discrimination, could get fired for having a kid or getting married, had a much harder time getting out of a bad marriage, were condemned just for having sex, and had to face a back-alley butcher if they wanted to end an unwanted pregnancy. Feminism has made things so much worse!

  9. Oblios_Cap

    I was watching beach volleyball the other day, and just thought the same thing as well. Expecting something nice to watch, but half the time I was just thinking, “Those are some tiny boobies. Sad day.”

    I was thinking "Damn, I'd like to do them." But, then, I ain't FR material.

    1. SorosBot

      Not to mention that these are athletes, not beauty pageant contestants; whether or not we'd want to do them should be beside the point.

    2. actor212

      And of course, they have to bind them down no matter how large because, you know, injury.

      Besides, I just focus on the bottoms.

      Mmmmmmmmmm….delicious buttocks in teeny skimpy bik–

      Errrr, I have a coxswain problem now. Be in my bunk.

      The sport for busty women is water polo.

    3. widestanceromance

      For what it's worth, I linger in our break room to watch only when there is bare maleness to ogle (just caught a little wrestling—oh, yeah, I'm taking mental screenshots). I have no interest in sports of any kind, but the participants are often very distracting.

  10. fartknocker

    This editor doesn't know shit. Rafalca fucking choked the dressage event. That's the real issue. Fucking Europeans can raise and train dancing horses that are better than the Romney's dancing pony. It's sad because we created Mr. Ed, a talking horse. This is a national disgrace.

  11. SorosBot

    Won't somebody please think of the men? We have it so horrible today, now that a tiny minority of movies and TV shows have female protagonists, and only the vast majority of culture is catered towards our desires.

  12. LastGasp

    With all the sexytime Olympic athletes are having at the Olympic Village I think it's unlikely that there's a “death of femininity.”

  13. widestanceromance

    How dare these women work so hard to attain something other than do-ability.

    That emasculates me to no end.

  14. actor212

    Shorter Entire Right Wing:

    Women who can kick our asses terrify me like Susie Brown in fourth grade, who pummeled me for dropping my pencil under her desk.

  15. Fukui-sanYesOta

    I've been watching the athletics and my scientific study indicates there are a veritable cornucopia of hotties competing.

    Now I'm watching women's field hockey. Lithe, fit young things running around in short skirts.

    I'm starting to think these Free Republic chaps must have something wrong with them.

    1. SoBeach

      I'm starting to think these Free Republic chaps must have something wrong with them.

      So they're not aroused by the fit chicks in skimpy athletic wear. Not that there's anything wrong with that…

    2. BoroPrimorac

      "I'm starting to think these Free Republic chaps must have something wrong with them."

      I'm starting to think they can't get hard unless the women they're looking at appear weak and defenseless.

    1. Jeri 2.0

      Well, he can understand why! They have muscle tone, and who the hell knows if any of them are wearing enough makeup, correctly applied to look feminine but not cheap. And when they start running around they get all sweaty and are huffing and panting – it's such a major turnoff for a man! The Olympics need competitions in Diaper Changing and Baking and Sock-darning for the ladies.

  16. Not_So_Much

    "Those are some tiny boobies". Any bets on whether the pantload the wrote that has some big 'ol pendulous moobs covered with pork rind dust?

    1. Gleem McShineys

      It's a reasonable bet. They could easily be covered with cheeto dust, for all we know.

  17. freakishlywrong

    We've not descended into the piss soaked fever swamp that is Freeperville for a while. Can't say I've missed it.

    1. SexySmurf

      She can handle my javelin any day (If you know what I mean).

      In case you don't know what I mean, "javelin" here is in reference to my penis.

    2. bobbert

      Yeah, I thought the "javelin thrower" rip was odd, considering that Franco had been widely played up as the hottest Olympian.

  18. friendlyskies

    Clearly these pudgy, pasty-faced laptop jockeys missed the bit about how every Olympic athlete was given 50,000 condoms and still ran out last Wednesday, since they're all so awash in the mystical, muscular fragrances of perfect masculinity and femininity that all they can do between competitions is fuck each others brains out.

  19. johnnyzhivago

    You could make the Olympics a lot more exciting by introducing a lot more motorsports (dirt bikes, race cars, etc) and guns. These sports would not have the same impediment to good looking chicks getting involved. For example, you could have an event like "Dames in Spandex Driving Dune Buggies and Shooting at Stuff"

    To be sure, you could add cheerleading and dance competitions to make things more interesting.

    In fact the Olympics are so filled with athletic oriented sports it's hard to hold anyone's interest.

  20. Chichikovovich

    Special thanks to Kid Zoom for alerting us to this story!

    You let your kid read Free Republic? Wouldn't even Japanese BDSM tentacle porn be more wholesome?

    1. HistoriCat

      Let him read it? I was assuming that Dok Zoom was using the Kid as free labor like a good Murkan entrepreneur.

    2. tessiee

      "Japanese BDSM tentacle porn"

      HIstorical side note: Tentacle pron originated many years ago. The censorship laws of that era forbade showing a woman being penetrated *by a penis*. apparently some smart pervert figured out that it didn't say "no penetrating with tentacles".

    1. HistoriCat

      “Everyone likes underwater cameras because you get to see what’s going on, but as players we hate them,” Villa said. “Because you’re being grabbed, you’re being exposed underwater, and we don’t want that on TV.”

      Villa does not speak for all of us!

  21. SoBeach

    Someone has to tell these women athletes, doctors, and lawyers when their breasts aren't acceptable to fat, lazy, repulsive old men.

  22. mavenmaven

    On the hand, in the days of our great-grandparents cocaine was legal and sold as part of a popular soft drink, so maybe there's something to this.
    On the other hand, mustard gas.

  23. barto

    I guarantee that even if every female Olympic athlete met Mr. Aytug's provincial standards of beauty, he would find some other way to denigrate them. Bravo, dickwad.

    1. Generation[redacted]

      No doubt, it would serve to prove his original thesis that women are weaker than men, or more specifically, weaker than him. These awesomely strong, fast, athletic women just emphasize to him what a pathetic weakling he really is.

  24. LibertyLover

    Clearly, the men who make comments about the death of femininity don't have daughters playing in sports today. In fact, I would bet that they cannot get or stay married and end up having to get a mail order bride from Russia or, as my brother admitted to me, marry a woman of Japanese or Asian decent because "they are more submissive." Sheesh.

    1. Generation[redacted]

      That "submissive" thing really annoys the fuck out of me. Why any guy is so insecure he can't stand to have his opinions questioned is beyond me. It took a while but I finally found an asian woman who isn't afraid to boss me around, and I've been happily miserable ever since.

  25. Blunderthing

    Well, I knew it was all going downhill when they eliminated the synchronized toenail painting event.

  26. Extemporanus

    Clean athletic pussy fans, please allow me to introduce you to the Turkish Women's Indoor Volleyball Team, and in particular, to its star player (and proud mother), Neslihan Darnel.

    Also, a reminder: US takes (took?) on Brazil for Women's Volleyball gold later this afternoon (early reports: most intense, sexiest game ever) , and I take on my penis in the Fapping semi-finals.

    1. Mumbletypeg

      Let me concur here — having remained unendeared of the sport most of my life until last Sunday, when MumbletyS.O. insisted I tune in to U.S. vs. Turkey. I wasn't prepared for the game to grab my attention like it did. They seemed so well matched I hardly knew who to root for more; the frequently sustained ball-in-play and adeptness w/ which players returned repeated spikes (slams, smashes) quite astounded me.

      1. Extemporanus

        Women's volleyball players — every single one of them, not just the super hot ones, of whom there are so many (Bom dia, Jacque!) — are ferocious freaking Amazonian goddesses who consistently deliver exciting, riveting, uncompromising displays of strength, grace, and athleticism.

        Plus, they smile, hug, jump around, and slap each other's extra-fine asses after every single play, whether they won the point or not. SO MUCH FUN!

        [NOTE: This reply originally had a TON of awesome links to impressive and sexxxy pics in it, but My Wonkette is still absolutely fucking worthless on an iPad -- which is what I'm on right now, at the beach, watching seagulls gang rape a Taco Bell bag, and lookin' at the peaches -- but the page just cold reloaded and erased it THREE times before I could finish, so you'll just have to Google shit, sorry.]

      2. Extemporanus

        Took me an hour, but finally found the US vs. Brazil deets:

        Match just got underway in real life, and is probably streaming right now. It will be broadcast on NBC Sports at 3pm Pacific.

        WATCH IT.

        1. Mumbletypeg

          I am not familiar w/ using the iPad but I do rely myself on hyperlinking more often than not, and from work (Windows/PC) I encounter weird hang-ups while editing a comment sometimes — & have moments when the URL outright disappears. Who knows.

          The camaraderie among the women's teams: I was unaware they high-fived etc. every post-play too until this; it is a contagious enthusiasm, you could feel it. I really did a 180° in my attitude about it all within minutes of getting engrossed in the game. Thanks for the time check, I will be watching some Peaches that day, no beaches necessary! (the sand-setting volleyball I don't find as compelling, obvs)

          1. Extemporanus

            IMPORTANT SCHEDULING UPDATE [that you probably won't see]:

            The US vs. Brazil gold medal match is now being broadcast on NBC (not NBC Sports) Saturday night sometime between 8pm-12am PST.

            NBC Primetime8:00pm – 12:00am (8/12)
            Track & Field finals include men's 4×100 and women's 4×400 relays. Also, the men's platform Diving semifinal and final, and the women's Volleyball final.

            Live streaming still begins at 9:30am PST Sat morning: http://www.nbcolympics.com/liveextra/video-watch….

            If your local teevee extortion racket provides an HD parallel feed of the main NBC channel, I strongly recommend that you watch the match on it, even if you don't have an HD teevee – it'll be letterboxed (slightly), but crucial court coverage on either side of the screen won't be arbitrarily cut off.

            I'm very happy to hear how much you're enjoying your new favorite sport – those women truly are something. I started playing two-man beach volleyball obsessively (and semi-competively) more than 25 years ago, though my "glory" days are about two decades behind me. Even so, I completely agree with you: Women's indoor wins hands-down in the watchability department.

            Unless, of course, buff butt-patting babes in itsy-bitsy teeny-weeny bikinis bouncing around on the beach in an equally engrossing and impressively athletic manner is more what your looking for.

            (Uhh…I may have to revise that "hands-down" designation…)

          2. Mumbletypeg

            Well in lieu of viewing the Perseids – too cloudy, as predicted – I dovetailed between home and dogsitting a friend’s who has cable access. NBC’s rebroadcast was delayed throughout the evening until 11 or 11:30. Pretty fast turnaround even while I was away from the tv mere minutes!
            But it’s hard not to cheer for the eventual winners and we gave them a good fight. There are times indeed when grace is called for but not always displayed, in such sportsmanship. Developments that unfolded last night are a testimony to what we wish would be the norm. I don’t know if the term “flagrant foul” is part of volleyball parlance, but captivating the viewer’s imagination is best served (sorry) with equally matched participants.

    1. comrad_darkness

      She's makes a very good off hand point: Aytuğ is objectifying women by reducing them to tits and ass.

      I guess it took a woman to spot that.

  27. calliecallie

    Sixty years ago, when women were trained to set a nice table, cook a good meal, arrange flowers in a vase, basically keep a nice house, etc., they were flowers of feminine wholesomeness and not at all competitive.

    Take Martha Stewart, for example.

  28. OneYieldRegular

    To paraphrase Gloria Steinem, this (all of these fabulously talented athletes) is what femininity looks like.

  29. comrad_darkness

    You can thank Title IX for all those female medalists. Yeah, women do well and that diminishes every male on the planet. God, what is this, the middle ages??

  30. Callyson

    Sometimes, when my motivation to work out is lagging, I remember that there are men like this out there, and if I lift I'll maintain just enough muscularity to turn creeps like this off.

    (Heading off to work the upper body…)

  31. BoroPrimorac

    It's fun watching those strong, intelligent freeper women discover how sexist and misogynistic their male counterparts really are.

  32. CommieLibunatic

    These guys must hate hate HATE Avatar. It'll be a dark day for them when "fight like a girl" is no longer an insult.

  33. Billmatic

    I don't get it. Some ladies is sexy like Natalie Coughlin and some ladies is sexy like Christina Hendricks.

  34. glamourdammerung

    Cognitive dissonance means never having to worry if one of your prejudices contradicts another of them.

  35. larrykat

    It's fun to listen to the Muslin-haters find out they are very much like the Muslins themselves… just a different Cloud-Daddy.

  36. tessiee

    "Our great grandparents sent their daughters to finishing schools, where they would learn the finer points of hospitality and motherhood"

    Oh, shut up, Mitt.

  37. Nesnora

    I think my vagina just puked with disgust. According to this inglorious fuckshit and Rush— I barely qualify as human. More like a scary, weak, red-eyed zombie destroying my country one unfertilized egg at a time.

  38. tessiee

    "Our great grandparents sent their daughters to finishing schools, where they would learn the finer points of hospitality and motherhood"

    Who the fuck is this — the guy from Monopoly with the monocle?
    I don't know what *his* great grandparents did with their kids, but I know what *my* great grandparents did with their kids. Both of my grandparents grew up on farms, where they were basically slave labor, as kids who grow up on farms tend to be. They would do things like pass out from exhaustion at the dinner table.
    People who blabber on and on about how great "the good old days" used to be should talk to someone who actually, oh, I don't know, lived through them.

  39. tessiee

    "suggesting that future Olympics reward competitors with bonus points for looking “feminine” during competitions,"

    And additional bonus points for keeping their pussies clean.

  40. tessiee

    Those female athletes should totally go to Senator Goldilocks' femininity lessons and learn to walk with books on their heads.

  41. tessiee

    "we send ours to soccer camps, where they can learn how to compete, curse, run, sweat, spit and scratch"

    Except the girls who don't play any sports; because those girls are fat, lazy bitches.

  42. tessiee

    "Our great grandparents sent their daughters to finishing schools, where they would learn the finer points of hospitality and motherhood"

    Which resulted in Grandpa eventually deciding that Grandma was boring as hell, and cheating on her with Jenna Jameson.

  43. tessiee

    “Glad for my semi-anonymity here…the Turk is absolutely right,”

    The "…" omits the words, "It kills me to admit it, but"

  44. ttommyunger

    I'm guessing Yüksel Aytuğ and his ilk resemble a sack of turnips covered in hair when naked.

  45. aklibtard

    They do know that sports' bras sort of squish them in don't they? I'd say they take at least one size off any woman.

  46. Caelan Aegana

    Between this and the comment section from that Slate article about harrassment of women who play video games, I really, really, reallyreallyreally need a shower.

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