WHY DO YOU HATE THE TROOPS?  4:20 pm August 8, 2012

GOP Voter ID Backers Admit Voter ID Backs GOP

by Doktor Zoom

Image from ACLU. Good people, those ACLU.At a Heritage Foundation luncheon, one of the GOP’s chief proponents of Voter ID laws, former Wall Street Journal columnist John Fund, cheerfully acknowledged that laws requiring individual voters to show a photo ID will be far more effective at suppressing votes by Democrats than Republicans.

“Absentee vote ballot fraud is the tool of choice amongst fraudsters,” Fund told a group of bloggers munching on Chick-Fil-A at the conservative Heritage Foundation on Tuesday. “Everytime you see a truly massive, coordinated effort at voter fraud, it usually relies in part on absentee voter fraud.”

While lacking any examples of actual massive, coordinated efforts at either in-person or absentee voter fraud to support his claim,* Fund admitted that Republicans’ focus on voter ID may suppress voting by Democrats:

“I think it is a fair argument of some liberals that there are some people who emphasize the voter ID part more than the absentee ballot part because supposedly Republicans like absentee ballots more and they don’t want to restrict that,” Fund said. “But the bottom line is, on good government grounds, we have to have both voter ID laws and absentee ballot laws.”

We should perhaps be relieved that Fund would like to make voting more difficult for everyone, for good government reasons. If fewer people voting means better government… no, let’s not finish that thought, it is too depressing.

Readers may also be astonished to learn that Fund has a book for sale! We will not link to it, because we’re just that mean. He and his co-author, Hans von Spakovsky, also downplayed the recent Brennan Center report that suggested that voter-ID laws would suppress the votes of a half-million Americans:

“Is there a single person in this room who believes that you can function in this society without an ID? Now there may be some very elderly people, there may be some very isolated people, there may be some bed-ridden people who don’t have ID. Now, I say to you, let’s get them an ID,” Fund said.

It is not yet confirmed whether Fund accompanied this statement with an up-and-down motion with the fingers of his right hand curled, but we currently have no reason to think that he did not.

In other election-stealin’ news, GOP chair Reince Priebus weighed in on the question of early voting in Ohio. (As we all should know by now, the reality is that until last year, all Ohio voters could vote early. Then the GOP passed a bill taking away early voting for everyone but members of the military. Now the Democrats are suing to get early voting reinstated for everyone, and the GOP is claiming that the Dems hate the military and don’t want them to vote. Yes, exactly.) Now that fact-checking stories are making it impossible for Republicans to claim that Ohio Dems are trying to restrict military voting, Priebus found a new way to depict returning early voting to everyone as a slap against The Troops:

Tweebus!

We share Alec MacGillis’s mind-bogglement at what Priebus appears to be admitting:

Wow. So, expanding voting rights generally — which, let’s face it, tends to favor Democrats — “waters down” the votes of a Republican-leaning constituency like the military? I may be mistaken, but this seems like a case of accidental and illuminating candor, right up there with the Pennsylvania House majority leader who declared recently that his state’s new Voter ID law would win the state for Mitt Romney.

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*A bit of searching turned up a dirty election in Greene County, Alabama in 1994 that is the sole example that Heritage tends to cite; for some reason, fans of voter suppression are far less likely to mention another example of massive absentee fraud, the 1997 Miami mayoral election, in which Republican candidate Xavier Suarez won on a tide of absentee ballots from people who turned out to be homeless, incarcerated, or dead.
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SorosBot August 8, 2012 at 4:23 pm

No, “Everytime you see a truly massive, coordinated effort at voter fraud," you must be imagining things because there are no massive coordinated efforts at voter fraud; there has not been a single one within my lifetime at least.

iburl August 8, 2012 at 4:26 pm

Sure there are, but it's the GOP doing it…. http://nomadicpolitics.blogspot.com/2012/02/repub

actor212 August 8, 2012 at 4:29 pm

Oh now come on. They have to practice it so they know how to spot it when Dems do it!

1stNewtontheMoon August 8, 2012 at 4:31 pm

not "imagining things." studying history. like history from the 1960s to the early 80s. If there's anything the heritage foundation likes it's relitigating issues it was on the wrong side of (all of them) 30 years ago.

GeorgiaBurning August 8, 2012 at 5:45 pm

Accusing the Democratic Party of a "massive coordinated effort" ? Excuse me??

actor212 August 8, 2012 at 4:24 pm

the 1997 Miami mayoral election, in which Republican candidate Xavier Suarez won on a tide of absentee ballots from people who turned out to be homeless, incarcerated, or dead.

Central to their point, Dok. Dems cheat so much, they had to throw an election to Republicans just to avoid suspicion.

Billmatic August 8, 2012 at 4:25 pm

"Give the likes of Baldrick the vote and we'll be back to cavorting druids, death by stoning and dung for dinner."

actor212 August 8, 2012 at 4:26 pm

Lemme see…fundamental religious wackjobs? check.
Brutal death penalty? Check
Relaxing FDA regulations so that we have pink slime for meat? Check.

Holy shit! Bladder was right!

Billmatic August 8, 2012 at 6:27 pm

Horrifyingly accurate isn't it?

CrunchyKnee August 8, 2012 at 4:25 pm

Papers please. Really, just get some papers to soak up Fund's shit.

actor212 August 8, 2012 at 4:25 pm

Priebus found a new way to depict returning early voting to everyone as a slap against The Troops

Because if everyone could vote early, then it would only be "one man, one VOTE" instead of "one MAN, one vote".

weejee August 8, 2012 at 4:26 pm

This is a Teatwat do-over of the beloved poll taxes and literacy lawz of yore.

Baconzgood August 8, 2012 at 4:26 pm

Now that they can't prove any of their lies they don't try to lie anymore. It's refreshing.

weejee August 8, 2012 at 4:46 pm

Did you see that you've become elemental?

Fraudulently_Joe August 8, 2012 at 4:54 pm
1stNewtontheMoon August 8, 2012 at 4:28 pm

To be clear, "coordinated voter fraud" does not mean electing partisan officials to purge the voting roles of qualified (but generally opposition) voters.

BaldarTFlagass August 8, 2012 at 4:28 pm

I have motherfucking had enough of these motherfucking Republicans in my motherfucking country!

Callyson August 8, 2012 at 4:29 pm

Great–I was already pissed about the Voter Suppression, I mean Voter ID, acts, even though they did not directly affect me. But now those fuckers want to go after absentee voters?

The whole reason I signed up to be a permanent absentee voter, despite the fact that doing so means I get *all* the hate mail attack ads, was to avoid the inconvenience of waiting in line at the polls. If the Reeps succeed at fucking this up, how much time will I have to waste waiting in line to vote against their sorry asses?

actor212 August 8, 2012 at 4:30 pm

Precisely!

Baconzgood August 8, 2012 at 4:29 pm

So when Obama wins in PA what will they do then? They played "FRAUD!!!" and we have these laws. Computer error? Space people?

EDIT: PA tried to change from the winner takes all the electoral delegates system to an each delegate counts as his own in order to give the GOP a better chance to win the nation. That dog didn't hunt even with some of the GOP members know that PA is a swing state and could blow it 2016 for the GOP.

Callyson August 8, 2012 at 4:34 pm

This is when I miss my home state–my vote would actually count for something.

Please, Keystone State Wonketteers, please drag someone with you to the polls–and have them drag someone with them. Here's a little inspiration from a vintage ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcskckuosxQ

Baconzgood August 8, 2012 at 4:35 pm

You don't miss it. It's bloody here.

They have this on West Carson in Pittsburgh
http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=1015096

Callyson August 8, 2012 at 5:13 pm

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

Baconzgood August 8, 2012 at 5:24 pm

Told ya. It started back in May. And its war here.

SorosBot August 8, 2012 at 4:43 pm

I'm currently a PA Wonketter, but can't follow through because I'll have moved to California and in with MissTaken by election day.

Baconzgood August 8, 2012 at 4:51 pm

CONGRATS!!!!!!! I knew you kids would over come ALL adversity to end up touching each other's swimsuit areas in a shared domicile.

SorosBot August 8, 2012 at 5:05 pm

Aw, thanks. My current lease is up at the end of October so we decided I'll be moving in then.

MissTaken August 8, 2012 at 5:29 pm

Thanks!!!

emmelemm August 8, 2012 at 5:02 pm

Be sure to get registered in CA immediately and vote! (Yeah, yeah, I know, blue state, doesn't matter, all locked up… DO IT ANYWAY.)

Callyson August 8, 2012 at 5:06 pm

Aw!Well, welcome to the Golden State: I'll be your neighbor in the city that every Bay Area person loves to hate.PS: please vote anyway once you get here. The Dems *might* have a chance to get a 2/3 majority in our legislature, thus enabling them to get around the Party of No…

MissTaken August 8, 2012 at 5:32 pm

He'll be living in Walnut Creek with me so he'll get plenty of hate from the SF people soon!

SorosBot August 8, 2012 at 4:45 pm

The fact that the supporters of the voter suppression law here had to admit that they know of no instances of voter fraud the ID law they claimed is supposed to prevent gives me hope that the state SC will strike it down.

CivicHoliday August 8, 2012 at 4:29 pm

from now on you can only vote if you have a BIRF CERTIFIKET

JustPixelz August 8, 2012 at 4:30 pm

I'd find the Repubican worry over "election fraud" more convincing if they made these disenfranchisement laws effective AFTER they've stood for election again. With their 2010 sweep, these changes seem waaay too self-serving.

Also, they should indemnify people for all costs to get their ID — document fees, taxi ride to the registrar's office, postage, etc. The state pays all costs. Otherwise it's a poll tax, which is unconstitutional.

sewollef August 8, 2012 at 6:56 pm

"The state pays all costs. Otherwise it's a poll tax, which is unconstitutional."

Bingo.

RadioBowels August 8, 2012 at 4:30 pm

"We need a coordinated effort to make sure SCOTUS votes Republican."

DerrickWildcat August 8, 2012 at 4:31 pm

Lobotomy 1:11
"While they were eating, Jesus grabbed a Chicken Sandwich, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body."

sewollef August 8, 2012 at 6:57 pm

OK, I'll bite…. Jesus was a chicken?

Extemporanus August 8, 2012 at 4:31 pm

How do you get to Tammany Hall?

OneYieldRegular August 8, 2012 at 4:40 pm

Practice?

Extemporanus August 8, 2012 at 4:46 pm

Practice early and practice often!

actor212 August 8, 2012 at 4:44 pm

Cheat, cheat, cheat

Extemporanus August 8, 2012 at 4:55 pm

Now, cut that out!

not that Dewey August 8, 2012 at 5:17 pm

M-F, 2pm Eastern, on MSNBC

Extemporanus August 8, 2012 at 6:31 pm

"Lean Forward", indeed.

commiegirl99 August 8, 2012 at 8:09 pm

Practice practice practice.

Extemporanus August 9, 2012 at 2:06 am

You have excellent comedic timing, Gracie.

Hey, speaking of timing…

HAPPY 100th COMMENT DEAR LEADER!! UR DOIN GRATE!!1

Negropolis August 9, 2012 at 12:28 am

Connections, connections and connections! Oh, and a shitload of bribe money. Also. Too.

Extemporanus August 9, 2012 at 2:08 am

Don't forget a Ouija board!

Blueb4sinrise August 8, 2012 at 4:33 pm

Does Reince Priebus have Spakovsky-Fund disease?

TribecaMike August 8, 2012 at 4:33 pm

"Now, I say to you, let’s get them an ID"? Socialism!

NorthStarSpanx August 8, 2012 at 4:40 pm

Conservatives come with superego Id.

Jus_Wonderin August 8, 2012 at 4:35 pm

I would gladly pick 5 or 10 people to take to get their ID (and I would pay for them) if there was a list somewhere of folks I needed to help.

viennawoods13 August 8, 2012 at 5:55 pm

Yeah, there's really no point to rolling over and playing dead, is there? Shouldn't it be possible for organizations to get these people together and to the necessary offices?

DerrickWildcat August 8, 2012 at 4:38 pm

Ok, so now for realz, I was in the Army and I don't think any of you losers's votes are any less important than my dumb ol' vote.

BarackMyWorld August 8, 2012 at 4:39 pm

Priebus makes me miss Michael Steele. A lot.

littlebigdaddy August 8, 2012 at 4:51 pm

I wonder if his acting career has taken off?

NorthStarSpanx August 8, 2012 at 4:39 pm

Evidently it is evident that fraudsters cheerfully defraud progressing the side of the people fraudulently as evidenced by the lamestream media.

Boojum August 8, 2012 at 9:56 pm

Precisely.

SorosBot August 8, 2012 at 4:41 pm

That wasn't voter fraud, though; that was a massive effort to prevent people from voting – just like these voter ID laws – followed by blocking a fair and accurate count of the votes.

ShreditorsDesk August 8, 2012 at 5:10 pm

Election fraud. Treason.

sewollef August 8, 2012 at 6:51 pm

In my part of the world, we call what happened in November 2000 a coup d'etat.

On reflection, in the US, I call it a coup d'etat too. Oh, and treason.

OneYieldRegular August 8, 2012 at 4:41 pm

I let my fetus vote in the last election and not one Republican tried to stop me.

zippy_w_pinhead August 8, 2012 at 4:42 pm

they're not even trying to hide it these days…

BaldarTFlagass August 8, 2012 at 4:44 pm

They should go full out and only let people with passports vote.

Fraudulently_Joe August 8, 2012 at 4:51 pm
SayItWithWookies August 8, 2012 at 4:45 pm

"Is there a single person in this room who believes that you can function in this society without an ID? Now there may be some very elderly people, there may be some very isolated people, there may be some bed-ridden people who don’t have ID."

Fund can't even go two fuckin' sentences without contradicting himself. Which is a new record for veracity, as he was so frequently just saying one thing and then its opposite in the same sentence.

actor212 August 8, 2012 at 4:54 pm

I swear, on CSPAN once, I saw his tongue reach out and try to grab the words he had just spoken.

pinkocommi August 8, 2012 at 4:46 pm

True story. I am 21 weeks pregnant and, after learning the results of my amnio were good last week, I patted my belly and said to my unborn baby, "Now you just have to make sure you don't become a Republican."

actor212 August 8, 2012 at 4:52 pm

You should know that it's perfectly natural for your child to experiment with the notion of being Republican. It's just a way for him or her to express conflicting feelings of acceptance that are troubling and difficult to comprehend, but once (s)he's matured a little, your little one may decide to put away childish things and become adult.

Also, if the amnio came back normal, then you don't really have to worry.

SpeedoFart August 8, 2012 at 6:29 pm

I'm waiting for my fetus to burst out before I have that talk with her.

(Congrats, by the way. I'm 28 weeks along!)

ph7 August 8, 2012 at 4:46 pm

"Nice Pee Rub, Sir" is an anagram for Reince Priebus.

Come here a minute August 8, 2012 at 7:59 pm

If you can keep it.

fartknocker August 8, 2012 at 4:48 pm

In the litigation between the State of Texas and the USDOJ, one of the fun factoids is that ID is only available from the State DPS, who runs the DMV. The state closed about 90 offices in the last budget. DOJ determined that folks in many rural counties (which are fairly poor in economic status) would be required to travel over 150 miles round trip to get a picture ID. These actions are nothing but voter suppression. And Rick Perry is a goat fucker.

weejee August 8, 2012 at 5:01 pm

And Rick Perry is a goat fucker

And the political downside of that in much of Tejas is…?

GeorgiaBurning August 8, 2012 at 5:11 pm

that depends on the gender of the goat

Boredw/Gravitas August 8, 2012 at 5:57 pm

Well, his wife is unattractive, so I'd have to agree with you.

rickmaci August 8, 2012 at 4:48 pm

Republicans are indeed like elephants in that they never forget. Their folklore has long blamed Nixon's loss to Kennedy on the anecdotal stuff about ballot stuffing in Chicago and south Texas in the 1960 election. No proof, just lots of stories that they take for gospel. I can trace their continuing paranoid mania about controlling the electoral process directly to the outcome of that election. They seem to absorb this like a bacteria in their mother's milk when they are infants because they don't even know why they have this fixation, they just "know" it happens. This is also why they are totally willing to do that kind of shit themselves (cough cough Florida 2000) because they are sure the other side is doing it to them, even in the absence of a hint of proof that is true. In their delirium about this, the fact they can't prove it only makes them more convinced it is happening. They are just batshitcrazy on this issue, every fucking nutz one of them. Peace out.

Mumbletypeg August 8, 2012 at 4:48 pm

bloggers munching on Chick-Fil-A at the conservative Heritage Foundation on Tuesday.

Did their sammiches come with the garnished pickle slices for these fickle appetites? Waffle-fried's consumed by the same fiasco-franchisers who declared War on French Fries so many years ago when the invasion of Iraq drew criticism?

O the wingnutlandian capacity for attachment to fallacious causes. I would try to point out to them, y'know Dixie Chicks and Chic-Fil-A — but the fun we once had poking them gently, even with flawed analogies designed for their mien, died out some time ago

Boredw/Gravitas August 8, 2012 at 5:58 pm

I've got something they can munch on….

littlebigdaddy August 8, 2012 at 4:52 pm

John FUND? Sounds like he's itching for a spot in a R-money administration.

mrblifil August 8, 2012 at 4:55 pm

Let's skip the hole punching part and get right to the face punching part.

MissTaken August 8, 2012 at 5:02 pm

I punch the shit out of Chad every election day.

Wilcoxyz August 8, 2012 at 4:55 pm

Remember when Bachmann told people not to give the gub'mint any info for the census, because of black helicopters and death camps or something. But now you have to have a government ID. So Hopey knows where to send the drone, I guess.

MissTaken August 8, 2012 at 4:57 pm

Thank you fucking GOP asshats for reminding me to apply for my absentee ballot for November. If it wasn't for your douchebaggery I may have forgotten.

SorosBot August 8, 2012 at 5:06 pm

And considering how ridiculously long the California ballots are, with all the initiatives and propositions, you really don't want to vote at the booth.

MissTaken August 8, 2012 at 5:12 pm

And that was just the PRIMARY ballot! I had to use 2 first class stamps to mail the dang thing it was so freaking big.

Starting with November all propositions, initiatives, and referendums must be on the general election ballot because so many people don't bother voting in primaries and special elections. We're going to need cranes to lift those ballots into the mailbox.

Boojum August 8, 2012 at 10:00 pm

And that's if you only vote once!

Wilcoxyz August 8, 2012 at 4:58 pm

Also on this Chick-Fil-A everywhere shit: can we get noted anti-elitist Romney to pledge to fire the White House chef (which he will enjoy doing) and open a Chick-Fil-A franchise there.

elviouslyqueer August 8, 2012 at 5:00 pm

Fuck you, Reince. And by "fuck you," I mean, "in your dreams, asshole."

SigDeFlyinMonky August 8, 2012 at 5:01 pm

Cognitive dissonance (if there was cognition) thy name is GOP. Photo ID to vote but anonymity for the corporate persons (not citizens) and their bids for ownership of our government, of by and for the oligarchy. Lincoln weeps….

miss_grundy August 8, 2012 at 9:35 pm

Lincoln would not be accepted by today's GOP. The wingnuts would be sending him death threats. And not by votes either.

Fox n Fiends August 8, 2012 at 5:03 pm

All Obama has to do is declare that being a Republican is now a Felony, and its a landslide victory.

barto August 8, 2012 at 5:04 pm

We need to call out Prince Bribeus (or whatever the hell his name is) for being a complete dick!

TootsStansbury August 8, 2012 at 5:05 pm

Has the SPLC declared the Heritage Foundation, AEI, hell, the GOP to be hate groups yet?

PubOption August 8, 2012 at 5:06 pm

Republicans are not trying very hard. IHow about "Obama is taking away the troops exclusive right to vote early". Completely true, and the wingnuts won't notice or care about the modifier in the sentence.

ingloriousbytch August 8, 2012 at 5:14 pm

No snark.

I hate these fuckers so much. So very much.

not that Dewey August 8, 2012 at 5:21 pm

"Reince Priebus", or as Bob Beckel of FOX NEWS calls him, "Free Pussy"

Lionel[redacted]Esq August 8, 2012 at 5:35 pm

If only we could catch two Republicans standing outside a voting station wearing black berets being ignored by everybody. Then we would have them.

Negropolis August 9, 2012 at 12:35 am

Also, they have to be black. 'Cause trust me, in rural REAL America, two guys standing outside of a polling station with guns and funny hats isn't voter intimidation, it's patriotism. We have these guys up here in the forests of Livingston County outside Detroit; they aren't terrorist; they are just the Michigan Militia preparing themselves for the upcoming race wars…which, of course, is a completely legitimate concern in REAL America, right? lol

kittensdontlie August 8, 2012 at 5:42 pm

Geh-Hatin' Chicken on Tuesday? Let's sit back and watch their own votes be suppressed by their stuffin' that greasy chicken down their gullets.

SpeedoFart August 8, 2012 at 6:09 pm

Oh come on. Voting Democrat is fraud in-and-of itself.

Duh!

rocktonsam August 8, 2012 at 6:24 pm

why don't the people who are be alienated get pissed and do something for a change

SpeedoFart August 8, 2012 at 6:34 pm

Because crushing poverty kind of makes it hard to do so?

Nostrildamus August 8, 2012 at 6:36 pm

But what are they doing to keep The Geyz from voting?

Negropolis August 9, 2012 at 12:36 am

Scheduling a Project Runway marathon on a specific November Tuesday?

MinAgain August 8, 2012 at 6:53 pm

Clear out that clutter over there along the wall. The revolution is coming, and we're going to need the space.

mosjef August 8, 2012 at 7:11 pm

Why complain about voter fraud? It gave our great nation "President" George Bush who lost the election but won the Supreme Court.

Biel_ze_Bubba August 8, 2012 at 7:49 pm

To be fair, there has never been a truly massive, coordinated effort at voter fraud that did not rely in part on absentee voter fraud.

Also, Mitt Romney has never sponsored a child sex-slave ring that was not financed by laundered Bain Capital money.

I say it's a wash.

Come here a minute August 8, 2012 at 7:56 pm

If fewer people voting means better government… no, let’s not finish that thought, it is too depressing.

Oh come on, wouldn't it be cool to have a royal family? Think of the WEDDINGS!!!!!

Tundra Grifter August 8, 2012 at 8:03 pm
miss_grundy August 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm

Instead of winning elections through hanging chads, the GOP hope to win this election by only allowing white people who will vote GOP to vote.

Boojum August 8, 2012 at 9:45 pm

That is just not true! All 5 of those voters were registered Supreme Court Justices!

BZ1 August 8, 2012 at 10:45 pm

Rince Probiscus with another jaw-dropping statement!

DahBoner August 9, 2012 at 7:31 am

“Absentee vote ballot fraud is the tool of choice amongst fraudsters”

Second only to insanely Rich Republicans living in their son's unfinished basement.

Comrade Wingtardd August 9, 2012 at 8:39 am

That was electoral fraud

Misty Malarky August 9, 2012 at 10:22 am

If the little old ladies who run Voting Day in my polling place even suspected you were up to no good they would punch you in the throat.

LESS: Heritage Foundation Asshats
MORE: Vigilant Little Old Ladies

Callyson August 8, 2012 at 5:14 pm

OK, I think you either need to register before you get here or keep your PA registration and vote absentee if you won't be here until late October to make the CA registration deadline.

Or, you could consult the experts:

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_vr.htm

Callyson August 8, 2012 at 5:41 pm

That'll be nothing compared to the hate for Los Angeles (confession: I hated on LA too before I moved here.)And congratulations to both of you!

Baconzgood August 8, 2012 at 5:47 pm

Now you are Ms. Taken. The market lost a good snarker but it couldn't happen to a better Bot. If you would have been with a non snarker all of here would have been pissed.

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