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Nice Nonviolent Faith You Have Here, Shame If Anything Happened To It

sikhs asking for itInevitably, someone was going to use yesterday’s mass shooting in a Wisconsin Sikh gurdwara to argue something insanely stupid. Glenn “Instapundit” Reynolds has thankfully stepped in and made it so that we no longer have to wait.

The 6 Sikh temple shooting victims identified; Satwant Singh Kaleka died trying to fight off shooter. Heroic. But it’s too bad he didn’t have a gun.

It really was too bad that a member of a faith fundamentally devoted to non-violence didn’t bring a gun into a place of worship in case he had to kill someone, like a white supremacist or a rival emcee. Really, this is just a matter of poor planning on the part of the Sikh religion. If they’d been Christian, they would have been checking their gun sights and blowing the Chick-fil-A crumbs out of the chamber. And when’s the last time you heard about a Christian church getting attacked by a domestic terrorist?

I mean a white Christian church, come on.

P.S.: Wisconsin just passed a concealed carry law last year. Presumably, this mass shooting only slipped through the cracks because Sikhs want terrible things to happen to them.

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348 comments

      1. TribecaMike

        That Jesus wasn't a cute li'l blue-eyed Viking kid explains why his "missing years" weren't a big deal in the tabloids of his time.

    1. kittensdontlie

      Add one part crazed psycho with a NRA-approved gun , with two parts of a violence-infused society and a dash of christian intolerance,…and we make yet another sorrowful tragedy.

  1. CromulentLogin

    If only someone had warned us about extremists recruiting angry disillusioned former military members.

  2. anniegetyerfun

    Well, Sikhs are technically required to carry a kirpan. But it's not much good against a semi-automatic.

    1. One_who_wanders

      You can just imagine how happy Joe Six-pack would be if all the Sikhs in America started packing . . .

    1. valthemus

      I'm sure someone carved those words into a cuneiform tablet 5000 years ago, scribbled them on papyrus, inscribed them on an illustrated manuscript and printed them on a broadsheet. It never seems to take.

      Just remember: THEY LANDED ANOTHER FREAKIN' PROBE ON MARS, BAY-BEE!!

    1. sewollef

      Of course Sikhs aren't non-violent, but, and I quote from the never-wrong Wikipedia:

      "In the years to 1945, 14 Victoria Crosses [the highest British military medal] were awarded to the Sikhs, a per capita record given the size of the Sikh Regiments. In 2002, the names of all Sikh VC and George Cross winners were inscribed on the pavilion monument of the Memorial Gates on Constitution Hill next to Buckingham Palace, London."

      Sikh regiments fought — in the British Army — in both World Wars and in the many historical wars against moghuls at home in Punjab.

      1. Ellie K

        Sewollef, yes. That's the reason I stopped by here to comment. I even spent about an hour on the website that was mentioned in the article.

        Sikhs have a long tradition as formidable, highly disciplined warriors. That doesn't mean that Sikhs who live in Wisconsin in peacetime were behaving out of character because they weren't carrying firearms. But it is annoying to see Sikh belief described as a non-violent faith. There are many other better premises to base this news story on. What happened was wrong, appalling, bad, regardless of the Sikh faith.

        InstaPundit should try checking its facts next time.

  3. anniegetyerfun

    My grandmother was killed when a truck hit her as she crossed the street. Tragic. But it’s too bad she didn’t have a gun and a jetpack (also, better eyesight).

    1. ChernobylSoup

      Jet packs will solve a lot of the world's problems. Have you registered for the jet pack infant carrier at Target?

    1. C_R_Eature

      I do, but all of my training involves being safe and responsible and not pointing them at people, at anytime and for any reason. In addition, shooty stuff in anger is Bad Karma.

      That doesn't preclude me from putting Glen Reynolds in a hammerlock while you repeatedly kick him in the nuts until you feel better, though. As long as I can get a few shots in.

      EDIT: Of Course, we would be metaphorically Kicking Glen Reynolds in the Nuts – With Votes!

      1. mlle_derp

        Votes? Is that the new footwear the kidz are wearin' these days? Hard to keep up since my onion-on-a-belt days…

        1. C_R_Eature

          It's kinder and gentler than the older Horrorshow Kick-Boots term. But we're all trying to conform to the Rules. Really trying.

        2. YasserArraFeck

          A good stiff vote to the 'nads will certainly get ones attention – as the Chinese might say "That's the last election I'm going to have for a while….."

    2. MilwaukeeKent

      I'll put him on my "To be sucker-punched" list, right after David Addington and Bill Kristol. I had to check Google images but he definitely has enough smarm to make the list.

      1. tessiee

        *googles images*
        OK, in the picture I saw, he and breitbart are standing with their arms around each other's shoulders, and both look all smiley and happy. That alone makes him deserve a cockpunch (by "him", I meant Glen Reynolds, but Breitbart too, of course).

        Also, has any picture of Breitbart ever been taken wherein he *doesn't* look like a homeless wino?

          1. MilwaukeeKent

            Sound advice from MittB and you. More fun though with an eternal flame like Joe McCarthy's in Appleton, WI. (not recommended for the womenfolk, however).

          2. MittBorg

            They have pee-funnel thingies for those ladies desirous of, um, lauding, that's the word, lauding old Joe's achievements. Do it standing up, girlies! You'll be glad you did!

          3. viennawoods13

            Meh. Tried one of those whilst hiking. I think they need practice. Hiking is the only time I suffer from penis envy.

    1. Beowoof

      Too many of these guys who have Clint Eastwood fantasies would turn into Wile E. Coyote super genius given the chance.

    2. tessiee

      "We should all be Yosemite Sam all the fucking time."

      "OOooh, Ah hates them turban-wearin' varmints!"

    1. Ducksworthy

      Or Glenn Reynolds as a rectal cannon, just stuff him with gunpowder and scrap metal and touch him off. Very effective.

        1. SayItWithWookies

          Someone (variously attributed) said that America is the only nation to have gone from barbarism to degeneracy without the interval of civilization. I'm not sure that we were the first, but we certainly have perfected the craft.

          1. Negropolis

            Efficiency!

            I mean, we all know that civilization costs too many tax dollars. Back to the trees with us.

  4. emmelemm

    I seem to recall Jesus saying something about turning the other cheek?

    I guess Sikhs are better Christians than American Muscular Jesus Worshippers™.

    1. TribecaMike

      I seem to recall Jesus saying something about how "this generation will not pass" before he came back.

      1. miss_grundy

        It also means never having to say you're sorry……oh, wait, that was Love Story.

        Maybe we could string up all the haters and turn them into pinatas……..with votes…..

  5. C_R_Eature

    An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

    A Gun for a Gun makes the whole world dead.

    It's not much, but it's all I can muster right now.

  6. ChernobylSoup

    If you spend any time in a "Christian" church, they're always droning on about "surrendering" to Jesus. I have a hard time making the connection to that eventual hatred that pours forth from most of them.

    1. BerkeleyBear

      That's because you think too much about those pesky words and their meanings. Even for Evangelicals, the vast majority see "surrender to Jesus" as at most meaning "everything I feel must be right" and so no need for ongoing efforts at purging hatred or basic self-examination.

    2. Negropolis

      Surrending to Jesus sounds and awful lot like submission to Allah in Islam. Someone get me a chalkboard….

    3. zippy_w_pinhead

      that's because going to church makes you a Christian about the same way standing in your garage makes you a car

    4. YasserArraFeck

      Yeah, but if'n you were concealed carrying, you wouldn't have to surrender to anyone…..

    5. Willardbot9000_V2.5

      That's an interesting point and there have been studies conducted in regards to how Christians can do such awful, hatefilled shit and still be holier than thou. The best resource is Bob Altemeyer's social science study on authoritarians, particularly true of the followers. Essentially, without the space to be more in-depth, these people are attracted to the cheap grace of Evangelism because it gives them the feeling of being holier than thou without having to do any work to become so. The other thing is when they do something that's clearly wrong they compartmentalize and then expel any feelings of conscience via confession. The study is very interesting and explains wingnut followers very, very well.

    1. Biel_ze_Bubba

      Too bad Reynolds doesn't carry a concealed brain*. It would have protected him against making such asinine statements.

      *outlawed in Texas.

    2. Negropolis

      Too which I'm obliged to offer with equal snark: "This one? How about 'All of them, Katie'"?

    1. anniegetyerfun

      Sikhs, like Gurkhas, are bad-ass motherfuckers when the time calls for it. And it's not like Sikhdom has been without violence and controversy (see Gandhi, Indira). But since the 1980s, Sikhs have made great strides in tamping down on extremism in their own communities.

      The Sikh diaspora in the US, like the Muslim one, just wants to get by.

      I should point out here that I have a terrible, embarrassing fetish for Sikhs. I tried desperately to get my husband to wear a turban for our wedding (hey, he's brown), but he refused.

      1. viennawoods13

        Sadly, they are not without a terrorist element. It was Sikh extremists who blew up Air India Flight 182 in 1985. So non-violent religion? Not so much. But to open fire on an innocent congregation- what the hell is happening in this world?

        1. anniegetyerfun

          I don't think there's a single religion that can claim to have totally non-violent adherents. But following the violence of the 1980s, when there were, like, weekly stabbings at the Vancouver temple, it has calmed down quite a bit.

          1. viennawoods13

            I hear you. (former Quaker here) Herbert Hoover did a much better job as a Quaker president, if you look at his foreign policy initiatives.

          2. MittBorg

            Actually, if there was a prize for that, the Jains would probably take it. Jain monks and nuns wear veils so they will not accidentally inhale (and thereby kill) small flying life. They are forbidden to harm any living creature, so they do not eat things that grow under the ground.

          3. MittBorg

            Although Jains are big proponents of ahimsa, and always ragging on the Hindus and Buddhists for failing to implement ahimsa as it should be implemented, they do believe in the right to self-defense. As a rule, however, violence in Jain communities is pretty damn minimal.

      2. sullivanst

        You could make a reasonable case that Indira Gandhi had it coming, what with the widespread murders of Sikhs she at least tolerated, if not encouraged, for years before her assassination. Indian history is absurdly complicated, and not only because of the British Empire.

        Nevertheless, a religion devoted to nonviolence wouldn't require it's adherents to strive to be "Warrior Saints", now, would it?

        1. anniegetyerfun

          Oh, I'm not defending her by any stretch of the imagination. Also, what happened to Sikhs following her assassination was horrific – my husband was living in Delhi at the time, and they were sent home from school. A mob formed just outside of his house and marched down the street to set fire to a home where a young Sikh couple had just moved after getting married. The mob cheered while the couple burned to death. Of course, India was (and still occasionally is) such a tinderbox of religious and ethnic strife.

          And now, apparently, so is the US! Uh, progress?

  7. Tundra Grifter

    I think it's going to turn out that another right wing nut didn't study his "Field Guide to Muslins" and gunned down some people wearing turbans thinking he was taking another scalp for 9/11.

    Apparently the first Sikh killed in such an incident was murdered less than a week after we were attacked. It might have been the next day. Two Sikh gentlemen were recently murdered in Northern California – again, mistaken identity.

    1. anniegetyerfun

      It was the day after 9/11, I think, and I remember one of the Sikh communities at the time offering to write a guide that would help Angry Americans identify Sikhs versus Muslims based on headwear, until Muslims were, like, "Uh, thanks a whole fucking lot, assholes" and the Sikhs dudes were, all, "Oh, right. Sorry."

      1. sullivanst

        Given that Sikhi instructs its adherents to fight for the rights of all people, not just Sikhs, saying "them over there, not us" was a rather un-Sikh thing to do. Not as un-Sikh as most of what the Talibangelicals say and do daily is un-Christian, but still…

        1. MittBorg

          Nehi, yaar, when someone's about to fucking mow you and all your family down, of COURSE you're going to point at the other guys and say "It wasn't us! THEY'RE the droids you're looking for!" Right before hotfooting it to some safe hideout, na?

      2. Tundra Grifter

        I can see the cartoon. Dude looking at an open book. Picture of a Sikh on the left-hand page: "No." Picture of a Muslin on the right-hand page: "Yes."

        Of course, there's one other problem with that "joke." Just what does a Muslin look like?

        1. anniegetyerfun

          :) It had to do with various head covering. Tight turban = Sikh. Loosely wrapped turbany thing? Probably Muslim. Beanie? Jew. SLIGHTLY larger beanie, maybe crocheted or with lots of embroidery? Muslim.

        2. horsedreamer_1

          Considering the most populous Muslim nation is Indonesia, with 220 million Muslims, & that the Muslim population of India is also around 200 mil (20% of 1 billion), which account for about 1/3 of the World's Muslims, & then including West African & Subsaharan Muslims, I would think a composite Muslim would look like Tiger Woods or Dev Patel. Neither of whom is a Muslim. (Well, Patel might be, but I assumed he was Hindu or nonreligious.)

          1. Ellie K

            Horse Dreamer! That is much too rational ;o) You cite widely accepted demographic data, and draw logical conclusions from it, without making any racist assumptions along the way. You might even be humorous, but if so, it is respectful, mild e.g. the statement that serial philanderer Tiger Woods is not a Muslim (nor any other religion… what he did would not pass muster as NON-religious ethical behavior, either). Please consider commenting more often!

    2. YasserArraFeck

      Listen Buddy – a Raghead is a Raghead is a Raghead. Which part don't you unnerstand?

      1. Tundra Grifter

        YAF: Do you remember the state legislator – I believe from Tennessee, but this was a number of years ago – who said we need to screen those folks wearing a diaper held by a fanbelt on their heads when they tryi to get on an airplane?

        On a more serious note, once again we return to the Teutonically-named Department of Homeland Security report warning us about Domestic Terrorism, particularly the "lone wolf."

        The right wing nutz were up in arms over that – yet as time goes by, sadly, it proves more and more to be true…

  8. Riggsveda

    I seem to recall George Tiller being shot to death in his church. But that wasn't "domestic terrorism" because abortion! If he had only taken Glenn's advice…

    1. Fraudulently_Joe

      You mean the part where he started carrying a gun after the first time he was shot? Didn't really help him, somehow. Almost as though carrying a gun doesn't actually stop someone from shooting and killing you first.

      But that can't be right, because we all know that guns prevent all crime, ever.

      1. shelwood46

        He forgot to mention that you have to not just carry, but also always have the gun drawn and spin in slow circles to scan for the enemy. At church.

      2. Biel_ze_Bubba

        The NRA's basic premise is that the other guy is going to respect yer Second Amenedment rights, and demand a duel. So obviously, the problem with Amercia is the lack of respect for the Second Amendment. It's common sense, people!

    2. ugodOH

      There was also that one old crazy dude who shot up that Unitarian church in Tennessee a few years ago, but I think they're too non-judgmental to be considered Christian.

      1. tessiee

        I went to the Unitarian church near me a couple of times, but on Easter Sunday, the service's theme was cherry blossoms in Japan. I'm all in favor of cherry blossoms, multiculturalism, inclusiveness, yadda yadda — but if you consider it some kind of faux pas to mention Judeo-Christian holidays on *Easter Sunday*, you're too "Portlandia" for me.

        1. horsedreamer_1

          Portland doesn't even have Unitarians. All the weed makes them too lethargic on Sundays even for fake church.

  9. TribecaMike

    I wish the fundies would read up on and be inspired by a certain event at Masada in the first century CE.

  10. MissTaken

    Jesus died on a cross for mankind's sins. Heroic. But it’s too bad he didn’t have a gun.

    1. HateMachine

      I seem to recall Jeebus rebuking the fuck out of Peter for exercising his Second Amendment Remedies©

        1. HateMachine

          Hell, that porno is probably beautifully illuminated in some manuscript deep in the vaults of the Vatican.

      1. tessiee

        "Jeebus rebuking the fuck out of Peter for exercising his Second Amendment Remedies"

        Yes, and *then* who loked foolish when that fig tree got uppity and needed to be taught a lesson?

  11. Beowoof

    I believe we may find these dopes would have a difficult time if they were ever caught in a real situation. They think they are characters played by Clint Eastwood, rather than fat, slow, dimwitted cretins they are.

    1. MittBorg

      That's the whole problem.. When some fat weenis who can barely keep his pants pulled up to hide both beer gut and rear smile starts braggin' on how he's gonna take down armed bad doods who are aggressing with intent, I just have to hide my smile. They can barely squeeze their enormous overhangs into the fuckin' elevator to take a ride to the office. I can't see them fighting off Wickedness and coming out on top.

  12. Trannysurprise

    Too bad Glen "Instaasshole" Reynolds band "The Nebraska Guitar Militia" wasn't there.

    They could have been all militia-y on them.

  13. iburl

    Too bad we don't all have guns that have unlimited ammo that we could just spray in every direction until the only living people are the subjects of Dick Cheney, King of the Mole People.

    1. Biel_ze_Bubba

      Hey, if you're gonna walk around in Real Amercia™ dressed like that*, you're asking for trouble.

      *different

  14. mbobier

    I have a genuine sad over this. It's bad enough when ignorant white supremacist nuts assault actual Muslims becuz, well, Terrists! and all, but to assault Sihks because they wear turbans, which prompts the nuts to THINK they must be Muslims….. It makes my head hurt.

    1. tessiee

      I get what you're saying, but I had a very nice Muslim co-worker. She showed up, sat at her desk, did her work, minded her business, and bothered no one. Every so often, she'd be grocery shopping or waiting for a bus, and some Real Amurrkin [tm] would shove her off the sidewalk with some delightfully patriotic comment like, "Thanks for 9/11, rag head!"

      Persecuting the "right" group isn't that great, either (although I realize you weren't suggesting that).

  15. Callyson

    What fun facts do you have, Wikipedia, about Glenn “Instapundit” Reynolds?

    Reynolds was a finalist for the World Technology Network's 2004 Media and Journalism award. In his remarks, he said:
    Changes in technology are producing major changes in media and journalism. Journalism is becoming an activity, not simply a profession. In my InstaPundit.com weblog I have tried to foster the growth of amateurism in that field

    Well done, jerk…

    1. Biel_ze_Bubba

      There's way too much of that old-fashioned elitist "professionalism" in the journalism business. If the goal is to root it out completely, I can see why this fuckwad took the prize (the Murdoch Medal.)

  16. Chet Kincaid_

    If the guy had had a gun, he and the whole Sikh temple would have been hounded as terrorists by dumbass Americans who believe gun rights are only for white people.

    Now you have made me go look up who the fuck this Glenn Reynolds thinks he is. According to Wiki, he dishonors my birth month and year and is the "Beauchamp Brogan Distinguished Professor of Law at the University of Tennessee." His punditry does not reassure me as to his sharp legal mind, and neither does a professorship that sounds like the name of a third-place "American Idol" contestant.

    1. HateMachine

      "Beauchamp Brogan" sounds like a nickname they might use for someone down at Pi Kappa Alpha, assuming that they're not into the whole 'brevity' thing.

    2. tessiee

      I thought "Beauchamp Brogan" sounded like a charming and charismatic, but utterly incompetent, Civil War general. After he got all his men slaughtered, and then escaped by running away and hiding, he became governor of one of those loser states down South. There's a pigeon-shit-splattered statue of him in a very small park, across the street from the boarded-up textile mill.

    3. RadioBowels

      This fucknut is the worst kind of Paultard, to wit:
      "I'd be delighted to live in a country where happily married gay couples had closets full of assault weapons."

      BTW, Happy birthday Chet, welcome to 52.

      1. Biel_ze_Bubba

        But, God hates people who love countries where heavily armed gay people are allowed to happily marry!

        "We're gonna need a bigger sign."
        – Westboro Baptist derp

    1. doloras

      I've seen _Bend It Like Beckham_. Sikh women aren't sluts or lesbians, so they probably passed the test.

    2. TribecaMike

      Every sperm is sacred. After penetrating the egg, the little bastards are on their own.

    1. BerkeleyBear

      More recently, the first Royal Gaurds to wear turbans instead of bearskin were Sikhs. But unlike inbred whites, they use weapons as disciplined soldiers, not in lieu of greeting cards.

      1. Boojum

        This may relate to the concept that the sword is to be used for justice, instead of being an auxiliary fapping device.

    2. sullivanst

      There is this story.

      I'm going to go ahead and presume that Glenn Reynolds entirely ignored the fact that the first, presumably armed and trained, police officer on the scene got shot multiple times. Maybe he should've been carrying more guns, or something?

      1. anniegetyerfun

        Or not stopped to help the wounded guy. That was really HIS fault, for being so servicey.

  17. Beetagger

    I don't want to play this fucking game anymore. I don't even get shocked by the insane, crazy extremists killing hoards of innocent people. I expect it now. Monthly. Pretty shitty world my kids will have to live in.

  18. BaldarTFlagass

    Funny thing is that back in the day, the Sikhs were pretty badass. Just wiki on First Sikh War or Second Sikh War, or for a more fun interpretation, read Flashman and the Mountain of Light.

    1. Tangled sin tax

      Hi, fellow Flashman fan! I got a big portion of my 19th century history from perusing the bibliographies in Frasier's books. BTW, read The Steel Bonnets if you haven't already. I finally started to get half a clue about the Marches from that one. I once had a Scottish co-worker who would have made a perfect Border Reiver back in the day. Total asshole.

      1. TribecaMike

        The other night I caught Richard Lester's 1975 flick Royal Flash. Ten minutes in I wished I'd caught swine flu. A must to avoid, but love the novels.

        1. BaldarTFlagass

          Yeah, that movie was awful. I found and bought the DVD a few years back, was all geeked up to finally see Flashman on the screen, and like you, I was done in 10 minutes.

  19. BaldarTFlagass

    It's really too bad that the temple didn't have a secure perimeter with armed guards and vicious Dobermans and Weimeraners, manned watchtowers with .50 cal machine guns, two fences with razor wire on top and a minefield in between them, Jersey barriers to deter suicide trucks, and a moat. If they had, we wouldn't be having this conversation now.

    1. anniegetyerfun

      Because the US government would have attacked the compound and lit it on fire for being a cult?

      1. TribecaMike

        I live 1/2 a block from the federal buildings here in Manhattan, and they're heavily and impersonally secured, but many of the security guys and gals I chat with as I make my rounds are total characters and just regular working schlubs. Terry Gilliam's Brazil nailed it in '85, as did PT Barnum a century before: we're all small time suckers in "the big store."

  20. doloras

    The reason these guys don't shoot up actual mosques is the same reason the USA invaded Iraq and not North Korea – they didn't want to attack somewhere that might actually be able to fight back.

    1. Biel_ze_Bubba

      Bull. If N. Korea had a shitload of oil, Dumbya would have gone in there to "liberate the people" (and Rummy and Wolfie would have convinced him we'd be welcomed with flowers.)

  21. anniegetyerfun

    Sikhs also wear special underwear. I hope Romney realizes how important it is to show his solidarity on this issue.

  22. MinAgain

    I mean a white Christian church, come on.

    Well, there was that shooting at the Unitarian Church in Knoxville, TN, almost 4 years ago, to the day. Of course, only two people died, and some would argue that they aren't really a "Christian" church.

  23. docterry6973

    The Sikh regiments in the old British army had a sterling record in combat. As soldiers they are not to be messed with.

  24. Boojum

    Guys, I would describe Sikhism as non-aggressive rather than non-violent.

    "The philosophy is that if all other means of achieving justice have failed, it's righteous to raise the sword. That philosophy comes out of this concept of "saint-soldier," where the common analogy given is that a sword is merely a tool. In the hand of a righteous man, it can be used to uphold justice; in the hands of somebody who is evil, it will be used to commit atrocities."

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week840

    1. anniegetyerfun

      Yes, this is probably a better way of putting it. They are definitely not evangelical in any way.

    2. Negropolis

      This is the best way to put it. I'd tried explaining as such, but it took me too many additional words.

    3. Biel_ze_Bubba

      "In the hand of a righteous man, it can be used to uphold justice."

      I'm surprised the NRA isn't all over this. Oh wait . . . there's more?

  25. DustBowlBlues

    These gun-nuts always belong to the one truly patriotic political party. The party of the numb-nuts who stop at nothing to see to it that the Second Amendment is interpreted eactly like Thomas Jefferson meant it to be when he wrote the constitution. It's too bad for all us normal people that they have him mixed up with Davy Crockett.

    1. YasserArraFeck

      Time for the third party – the Gunservative Party. Show those Republican pussies what a real right wing fringe looks like.

  26. weejee

    Showing his expected brilliance, the neo-conned, neo-nazi, 9-11 tatted shooter:
    1. Was a general discharged vet who never once was posted in harm's way
    2. There were no Sikhs involved at any level in 9/11

    Clearly this Rambo wannabe is at best pathetic. Sikhs chillin' with al Qaeda makes as much sense as Klan members chillin' with the Black Panthers, but then this whole thing makes not sense.

    / time to pop a brewski

  27. BaldarTFlagass

    Isn't that South Carolina governor woman a Sikh? Maybe she can legislate some gun laws or something.

      1. mlle_derp

        Where's the leadership?

        Shhhhh- don't give her any ideas. She hasn't accomplished much here, & we'd like to keep it that way, thankyouverymuch.

        1. TribecaMike

          Laugh all you want to, but Nikki Haley has accomplished great things in her state, like the Mandatory Mascara Act, higher state expenditures on public pickle purchases, and the groundbreaking rule that all SUV's must weigh at least 50 tons.

    1. Negropolis

      Like Jindal, she's all deep-fried Christianized, now, but I hear she still attends Sikh services from time to time out of deference to her parents.

      1. Biel_ze_Bubba

        I hope she brings her bodyguards with her. Can't be too careful these days … it's real Amercia out there.

  28. not that Dewey

    Without reading any of the linked article, allow me to guess:

    "Sikhs look too much like Towelheads for the average Real American to be able to tell them apart, so they were asking for it."

    [takes off blindfold]

    How did I do?

    1. C_R_Eature

      Needs moar Umbrage at any suggestion by Liberals that the overheated rhetoric and extreme propagandization of everyday politics by the Right Wing might have had something to do with the elevated levels of gun violence here but, other than that, an accurate summation of the unspoken subtext. Bravo!

      1. TribecaMike

        Some of my fellow lib-prog brethren can barely get up the energy to run a swamp cooler, no less overheat a rhetoric or extreme an umbrage.

        1. C_R_Eature

          They're obviously not paying close enough attention. My Umbrage meter's been pegged so many times in the past decade I had to go to a Log scale.

    2. Biel_ze_Bubba

      You've been reading Free Republic … that's cheating.

      I was gonna snark-post there about how the Sikhs should just stop wearing the damned towels, but Poe's Law would totally defeat me if I tried.

    1. TribecaMike

      Thanks. There are around 16 million Baptists in the US, and around 13-14 million Mormons in the entire world (pop. 6,973,738,433). Both groups gain around a million new members every ten years, mainly because all they're allowed to do for fun is fuck and reproduce.

    2. Barrelhse

      Too bad those suckers are going to miss out on Life while they chase their deluded illusions.
      Also, I'm wondering how the fundies are doing with our exploration of a Martian mountain that is 3.5 billion years old. I imagine it gives their faces kind of a pinched look.

      1. Biel_ze_Bubba

        God made it look old, to test their faith. But the Farce is strong, and I'm confident they'll pass.

        I mean, seriously, to get all those different isotope ratios just right, all consistent for the same age? That's proof of intelligent design right there.

    1. YasserArraFeck

      Guns don't kill Sikhs – Sikhs jumping in front of good red-blooded Amercian bullets kills Sikhs

  29. mavenmaven

    The fact is, America is 'exceptional' in being one of the most violent cultures among westernized countries.

    1. TribecaMike

      And yet most violent crime, aside from rape, statistically continues to go down. I don't think we're more violent than other countries, we're just more insane.

      1. Negropolis

        That we've come down is great and all, but we continue to rank as one of the most violent Western nation in most categories. Yes, we are more violent than most. Even our low-violent crime cities have violent crime rates than some of Europe's high-crime cities.

        Hell, even among our more violent cities it's just ridiculous. Chicago now has a higher murder rate than Sao Paulo and Rio down in Brazil. And that's with continuous decline in violent crimes in America.

    2. sullivanst

      On murder rates, we're one of the most violent cultures among all countries, and by far and away the most violent culture among westernized countries.

  30. BarackMyWorld

    The shooter was obviously from the Obama Administration trying to manipulate people into supporting more gun control laws.

  31. Blueb4sinrise

    Weren't the wingers also critical when no one in Aurora tried to tackle the shooter ? Where were the heroes of Flight 93?
    Now someone does try to do it unarmed….and still pissing and moaning.

    1. Biel_ze_Bubba

      Doesn't count if you don't blow the sucker away with your concealed gun. I'm not sure how the Flight 93 guys get any respect from the NRAnderthals.

  32. rickmaci

    Wow. He managed to slaughter unarmed old men and women. Must make all those big, tough neo-Nazis proud.

  33. miss_grundy

    This is why everyone in America needs single-payer health insurance: to pay the hospital bill because crazy white people have guns. Why is it that the majority of rampage killers are white?

    1. glasspusher

      That's a red herring. The tear wrists are only doing that to distract us. Wake up sheeple!

    2. Biel_ze_Bubba

      Gun-toting ignorant racist white fucktards are the oppressed minority — you have to expect them to be angry.

  34. Chet Kincaid_

    It's unfortunate that the meme on the Sikhs has been reduced in this event to "nonviolent religion." Sikhs have been warriors; Sikhs have also tactically used nonviolence against the British. Their religion has a lot of admirable qualities, including the equality of all human beings and both sexes. But nowhere am I seeing that they profess or aspire to be the world's punching bags.

    It plays into Americans' preference for our browns to be non-defensive sitting ducks in order to be worthy of our sympathy. There's also an element of "you don't see that everyday, a brown religion that's not based on kill whitey!" There are ethnicities, and there are religions, and they often carry the same name. Let he whose community is a perfect embodiment of its nominal faith spray the first round.
    http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Origin_of_non_

    1. MosesInvests

      Kinda like how everyone feels sorry for Jews who were in ghettos and concentration camps, but absolutely loathe Jews who defend themselves (and no, I'm not justifying every stupid or dickish thing done by Israel, but really.)

  35. MilwaukeeKent

    There a several Sikhs who own stores, gas stations, etc. here in Milwaukee that I patronize, several times a week, I'm hoping none of the clerks and owners I've become friendly with were directly affected. It's a small community and they certainly would know the people killed and injured. They're dignified and kind.They're also generally non-violent but frankly, in Glenn Reynolds case, they should make an exception and tear the asshole a new one.

  36. BerkeleyBear

    The Sikhs as a movement have used non-violence. But the religion is actually built around an idea of proud muscular masculinity that any Bubba would love if only they knew it. Men are to never cut their hair, and wear a ceremonial (but sharp) dagger at all times.

    The martial exploits of the Sikhs, coupled with their unique brand of monotheism, are believed to have been the source of medieval legends of the kingdom of "Prester John", a Crusader style warrior king who was variously supposed to be guarding the Garden of Eden, the king of the "lost tribes", or a whole host of other fun fantasies. The Sikhs are also one of the ancient Aryan people in the screwed up ethnographic classifications that Hitler and his ilk were so enamored of.

  37. lurker_above

    Heroic. But it's too bad he didn't have a gun.

    No, too bad it he didn't come up against this Sikh.

    Übermensch would have have handed him his fat, white ass.

    1. BaldarTFlagass

      According to Alan Moore/League of Extraordinary Gentleman, Captain Nemo was a Sikh as well.

  38. jakegittes

    I always bring my gun to church. You never know when that sumbitch preacher might say something that requires "interdiction."

    1. zippy_w_pinhead

      besides, you get much less backtalk when you help yourself to the collection plate

    1. sullivanst

      Instamoron's been drooling onto the internet since before the other Glenn first showed his crazy mug on HLN.

  39. Gorillionaire

    So, this doofus who spent his entire adult life obsessed with hating the muslims or whatever finally decided to "do something about it" and chumped over to a quiet temple that he probably mistook for a completely different kind of temple, sprayed a few bullets, ended the lives of some totally innocent humans (including an 86 year old) and then walks outside and gets popped by a cop. Whew did he blow it. I'll bet nobody like him ever ever ever does that again.

  40. GregComlish

    Sikhs are mostly Muslim-like except whiter, so basically they are equivalent to Democrats

    1. Biel_ze_Bubba

      Nutty member of a nutty church … just add guns, and stand back. I don't exactly expect one of the Westboro Baptist morans to crack up and pull a similar stunt, but if it happens, my surprize meter will be pegged at zero.

  41. TribecaMike

    Bit o' trivia: Gun ownership has gone down 75% since the early seventies, but the amount of guns owned by individuals has gone way up, as well as neglected cases of mental illness by the look of it.

  42. mlle_derp

    So can we pass a law saying that any of these numbskulls who say "shoulda had a gun" should be adequately punished for their stupidity? All offenders' names are given to a crackerjack team of Navy SEAL's who will then pay these idjits a visit at a time when they are least likely to be packing heat. They MUST be threatened with guns, but the guns need not be loaded. Once offenders have publicly repented, they are on probation. If a visit is needed for a second offense, guns MUST be loaded.

    With votes, of course…

  43. Negropolis

    There have been, unfortunately, far too many (white) church shootings, and even some politically motivated ones. The one down in Tennessee comes to mind.

    BTW, they maby be known for using violence as a last resort, but a Sikh will cut a bitch. Why do yoou think they carry around those ceremonial knives with them? They are known as much for their ferciousness — at least outside the US — when they have to use it as they are for their default peaceful teachings.

  44. Negropolis

    My bad side totally regrets that they killed this dumb-ass motherfucker. I want all of the answers in these horrific events, and for him to slip away in a hail of gunfire to never be held accountable before the family's he hurts for this burns me up. Fucking terrorist coward; he knew he was going on a suicide mission.

    1. TribecaMike

      If I were a twisted psychokiller (and I'm not saying I'm not — psych!), I'd barge into a place of worship and shoot myself in front of everyone. The congregation would have nightmares for the rest of their lives, and I'd be singing twisted lullabyes in eternity. No muss, no fuss. But there I go again thinking crazy people should be rational. Alas, it doesn't work that way.

  45. Manhattan123

    Isn't this asswipe Reynolds a tenured professor at a state university? Granted, it's in Tennessee or Alabammy or one of those other god-forsaken hillbilly states, but still, is this idiot really who taxpayer money should be supporting?

  46. fitley

    God made this happen because of gays getting married. And the last big fire was too. No wait it was the flood. Yeah it was the flood. I'm positive it was the flood and this.

  47. Barrelhse

    Glenn, you're a goddamned fool. Why do you feel the need to pander to the most base and ignorant among us? This country is becoming too fucking stupid to survive- thanks a pantload, asshole.

      1. TribecaMike

        Good gracious, I've rubbed shoulders with Pete many times over the years and find it hard, nay impossible, to believe he's that close to 100. The gentleman sure does keep himself in tip top shape and can still wail on that old banjo. A favored memory: in a Catskill kitchen singing Dylan's "When I Paint My Masterpiece" with Pete strumming banjo, John Herald and Happy Traum picking chords on the guitar I never knew existed, and my pal Babs jauntily tickling the fiddle. The Guinness brewery was established in 1759 for that very evening.

        97 you say? Pshaw, the dude was barely 8 years old that night, and it was only 12 years ago!

  48. KTimely

    Jesse Taylor asks, "When's the last time you heard about Christian church getting attacked by a domestic terrorist? I mean a white Christian church, come on."

    Actually… that would be May 31, 2009… at the Reformation Lutheran Church in Wichita Kansas where Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by a 'domestic terrorist.'

  49. MosesInvests

    Maybe the Sikhs need to bring those circular throwing knives with them to worship (yeah, like Xena the Warrior Princess used-those were actually a Sikh weapon). Yeesh, what a world.

  50. Dimitrios_M

    It may just be possible that Wade Michael Page shot up a Sikh temple under the mistaken impression he was killing Muslims, since the two different religions’ people appear similar to the uneducated, and in America it is infinitely easier to legally procure an assault weapon than an education.

  51. smashedinhat

    You know, if we all had cinder block basements chock full of weapons and ammo this kind of shit wouldn't be happening.

  52. TribecaMike

    The only problem would be some people would start horseplaying around with their laser sights and forget why they were there and start shooting each other and did I say there would be a problem? On second thought, that's not a problem, it's a solution.

  53. Negropolis

    BTW, I love t Yahoo! News headline "Domestic terrorism or hate crime" as if the two things are mutually exclusive. The stupid; she burns.

  54. Dr. Nick Riviera

    "I regret that I have but one life to lose for my country…also that I didn't have a big motherfuckin gun."

  55. BoatOfVelociraptors

    Obviously a bunch of Sikhs openly carrying guns would have no problem living in Tennessee.

  56. Thunderclees

    The NRA always says, "I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by Sikhs."

    /wokka wokka!

  57. BeefHardcake

    I wouldn't trust 99% of the populace with a burnt-out match, much less something as potentially lethal as a firearm.

  58. DahBoner

    How many more crazy religous people need to die before Those People will realize the Christian religion is based on LOVE???

  59. Ellie K

    Ummm, you're right ;)

    That up vote count is now at nearly 200! I never received more than five up votes in 3 years of doing this commenting thing. I'm not complaining, just saying that you clearly must be on to something, because it certainly IS effective (I wish this silly comment system would allow genuine smiley faces ;o)

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