Mosques Are Not Like Churches and Should Maybe Be Banned, Says Colorado Lawmaker

by Kris E. Benson

Your First Amendment at work Do you have faith in your fellow (hu)man today?  If so, do you want it shattered real fast, somewhere within the next 250 words? AWESOME because Wonkette is here to help! Turns out that there was some sort of Conservative confab in Colorado a few days ago called the Western Conservative Summit, wherein conservative lawmakers from all over the state took time off from dealing with the most destructive wildfire in the Colorado’s history to meet with other conservatives and discuss important ideas that are key in helping us meet the challenges of the coming decades. KIDDING! They talked about Islam and how it will destroy everything we hold dear, probably even capitalism and DEFINITELY freedom , and one particularly sharp state senator realized that mosques are not like churches and therefore should maybe be banned:

Via the Colorado Statesman:

Former [Colorado] Senate President John Andrews, who heads CCU’s Centennial Institute, didn’t mince words when he introduced [Geert] Wilders and another speaker known for his opposition to Islam.

Saturday afternoon’s topic, Andrews said, would be “the existential threat to the United States of America posed by Islam.”

Pausing for a moment to let his words sink in, he continued. “I didn’t say ‘radical Islam,’ I didn’t say ‘extremism.’ After you hear from Frank Gaffney and our friend from across the Atlantic, Geert Wilders, you’ll know why I just say ‘the threat of Islam.’”

Wilders warned against opening the door to Sharia law — based on traditional Islamic principles — in Western courtrooms but added that it was already too late to keep Islam and its influences out of the country entirely.

“Your country is facing a stealth jihad, an Islamic attempt to introduce Sharia law bit by bit by bit,” he said.

So that definitely sounds like a productive use of time, particularly in a state that has just been ravaged by wildfires and is facing a massive deficit. Why talk about those things when you can talk about the fake threat of Islamic fascism, whatever that is? But there is a silver lining to this cloud, because at least someone came away from this with a concrete proposal to improve the lives of the people of Colorado:

State Sen. Kevin Grantham, R-Cañon City, said it’s worth paying attention to Wilders and the alarms he was raising.

“It’s warranted in this country,” Grantham told The Colorado Statesman minutes after Wilders finished his speech. “We already see the beginnings of that movement here in a smaller fashion, but it’s the same thing as it was in Europe just within the last couple decades, and we see where Europe’s at right now. So the warning is very real, and we should take heed and watch where we’re heading in this country.”…

Regarding Wilders’ suggestion that Western governments ban construction of new mosques, Grantham said it was worth considering.

“You know, we’d have to hear more on that, because, as he said, mosques are not churches like we would think of churches,” Grantham said. “They think of mosques more as a foothold into a society, as a foothold into a community, more in the cultural and in the nationalistic sense. Our churches — we don’t feel that way, they’re places of worship, and mosques are simply not that, and we need to take that into account when approving construction of those.”

Of COURSE churches aren’t a center for nationalist expressions of culture and a means for gaining a foothold into a given community! If they were, surely Senator Grantham would be interested in maybe banning them but they’re not so let’s not worry about them so much. Really, it’s mosques that are the problem, because they aren’t like churches, and thus maybe should be banned.

[Colorado Statesman]

 

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Chill_Bill July 10, 2012 at 3:17 pm

You know who else was a Christian bigot from Colorado? Ted Haggard.

emmelemm July 10, 2012 at 4:01 pm

I'm sure Doktor Zoom could tell you all about Ted Haggard, as he has recently watched a documentary on the fellow.

In a motel. When his car died. In Oregon.

SAVE VLAD!

actor212 July 10, 2012 at 3:17 pm

Muslims? Are they still around? I haven't heard about them since Park51…

OzoneTom July 10, 2012 at 3:18 pm

Careless of him to leave out synagogues & kivas.

Maman July 10, 2012 at 3:39 pm

the Buddhists and Hindus are spreading like wildfire too. The browns should be stopped at once!!!

Gleem McShineys July 10, 2012 at 4:54 pm

Also spreading like wildfire in Colorado: actual fire.

It didn't happen to start because of … a burning cross, did it? Just askin'.

shelwood46 July 11, 2012 at 3:26 am

Ha ha, like he thinks "kiva" is a real word.

BigSkullF*ckingDog July 10, 2012 at 3:19 pm

Too bad that god guy you keep talking about is punishing your asses with a plague of fire right now.

Callyson July 10, 2012 at 3:26 pm

Oh, but that's because of gay marriage. Or women's lib. Or…

actor212 July 10, 2012 at 3:31 pm

….affordable healthcare

sewollef July 10, 2012 at 3:34 pm

…… ABORTION!

Let's be honest, it always comes down to sex with republicans.

Blueb4sunrise July 10, 2012 at 3:33 pm

BUTTSECHS!!!!!!!!!

rickmaci July 10, 2012 at 3:20 pm

High altitude, lack of oxygen. Their brains are not able to fully engage. Rational thought is out of the question.

WhatTheHeck July 10, 2012 at 3:22 pm

Just maybe, all religions should be banned.
Imagine…

Fare la Volpe July 10, 2012 at 3:40 pm

One of the greatest slaps in the face to Paul McCartney is when Xtians rewrite his lyric from "Imagine no religion" to "And all religions true."

It's as bad as using the chorus to "Born in the USA" as a rally to right-wing zealotry, rather than the searing indictment of right-wing warmongering and outsourcing that the rest of the fucking song is.

Bezoar July 10, 2012 at 3:58 pm

Wait, John Lennon, right?

Fare la Volpe July 10, 2012 at 4:00 pm

No thanks, I ate before.

(also yes, today I have a critical case of the dumb)

doloras July 10, 2012 at 11:05 pm

Thank you, Enver Hoxha.

Oblios_Cap July 10, 2012 at 3:23 pm

Allah isn't as cool as our God! Or the one them there Jooz worship.

Extemporanus July 10, 2012 at 3:24 pm

Four words: "smallpox-infested prayer mats".

Yer welcome, pardner!

Oblios_Cap July 10, 2012 at 3:50 pm

Why not? It worked so well before.

actor212 July 10, 2012 at 3:53 pm

They should have held their convention in a Florida motel

CrunchyKnee July 10, 2012 at 3:24 pm

Hell no, Mosks aint like churches. At least in a church a priest can get a "date."

PubOption July 10, 2012 at 3:25 pm

I don't see much trouble from mosques, mosquitoes are much more of a nuisance.

sewollef July 10, 2012 at 4:42 pm

mosquitoes = air force

coolhandnuke July 10, 2012 at 3:25 pm

…“You know, we’d have to hear more on that, because, as he said, mosques are not churches like we would think of churches,"…

Translation; Mosques should be taxed but not churches.

OneYieldRegular July 10, 2012 at 3:25 pm

I hope someone thought to ask him about synagogues.

mavenmaven July 10, 2012 at 3:25 pm

Of course it makes perfect sense, there will be "less stealth" if communities are forced to pray secretly and underground instead of in openly accessible buildings such as mosques.

CommieLibunatic July 10, 2012 at 3:26 pm

*takes a deep breath*

ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE, MOTHERFUCKER!!! DO YOU KNOW IT!?

Maman July 10, 2012 at 3:42 pm

That is the one part of the Constitution not written by the Baby Jesus. It was written by Satan when he gave Jesus a wedgie and stole his pen.

Callyson July 10, 2012 at 3:27 pm

Yeah–didn't you hear? It was Islam that was behind the economic implosion of 2008. And they're the ones who forced us to get distracted in Afghanistan and go fight a war of choice in Iraq. Plus, didn't they come up with Obamacare? We must stop this menace now!

One_who_wanders July 10, 2012 at 3:27 pm

I would like just one real example of this "creeping sharia law" which these xenophobes are obsessed with, just one. >crickets<

WhatTheHolyHeck July 10, 2012 at 3:31 pm

Zoning in Salt Lake City.

Oh, wait, silly me. That's not Islam, that's LDS, and it's totally okay for their religious leaders to interfere in the judicial process, because it's still vaguely about that Jewish zombie dude.

Blueb4sunrise July 10, 2012 at 3:38 pm

There was that time when that Islamodude did something and then there was something that happened. Then something else.
I fergit.
It was in an email.

iburl July 10, 2012 at 3:42 pm

You can't play Poker for money in Texas, whoops, no, that's Christian Fundamentalism.
You can't buy beer until noon on Sundays, whoops, no that's Christian Fundamentalism.
Funny, it seems like Islamic law has NO impact on my life, and Christian superstition does.

Biel_ze_Bubba July 10, 2012 at 8:59 pm

Can't even shop for furniture in Bergen County on a Sunday.
And everyone has to listen to church bells all over town … but the fundies would turn purple, scream, and grab their fucking guns if they heard a muzzein calling people to prayer.

Redhead July 10, 2012 at 3:46 pm

Outlawing gay marriage, seeking to outlaw abortion (or at least limit it to a very very small window and require extremely invasive ultrasounds whether needed medically or not), seeking to punish women with prison time for having a miscarriage (Georgia), putting restrictions on sex ed in schools, seeking restrictions on birth control availability, seeking to allow Catholic businesses (schools, hospitals and the like as opposed to the business that is the Catholic church) to be an exception to a variety of aspects of healthcare coverage other businesses aren't exempt from…

Oh wait, did you mean creeping Islamic sharia law?

sharethegrief July 10, 2012 at 3:56 pm

Check with Sharron Angle. That's all she screeched about in 2010. That and something about remedies with guns which doesn't count because of Xtianity.

HempDogbane July 10, 2012 at 3:27 pm

Islam will also destroy Math ! Or in Britain, Maths !

actor212 July 10, 2012 at 3:29 pm

Yes, that terror cell, Al Gebra…

Fare la Volpe July 10, 2012 at 3:42 pm

They've already infiltrated our preschools and kindergartens through the forced teaching of so-called "Arabic Numerals."

actor212 July 10, 2012 at 3:54 pm

Yea! What's wrong with good ol' American numbers! Eleventy! Eleventy-twelve! Red square!

Fare la Volpe July 10, 2012 at 3:57 pm

Green balloons!!

sewollef July 10, 2012 at 4:36 pm

Yes, that terror cell, Al Gebra…

i thought that was Al Catraz?

flamingpdog July 10, 2012 at 5:32 pm

Al Cohol.

sewollef July 10, 2012 at 4:30 pm

Math[s] yeh, we Brits are big on plurals.

SorosBot July 10, 2012 at 4:31 pm

And yet, you refer to many Legos in the singular.

sewollef July 10, 2012 at 4:34 pm

True dat. Mind you, I live next door to Queens County, New York. So I guess it must be full of queens….

GunToting[Redacted] July 10, 2012 at 6:37 pm

The apostrophe was sold due to budget cuts.

MaxNeanderthal July 10, 2012 at 5:17 pm

Yeah, what has al-Khwārizmī ever done for us?
Well, there's the quadratic equations, Reg….

Baconzgood July 10, 2012 at 3:28 pm

"they’re places of worship"

Yeah because Churches don't have picnics, AA meetings, Cub Scout pine wood derby races…

Oblios_Cap July 10, 2012 at 3:51 pm

And nobody has a voting precoinct in one.

Biel_ze_Bubba July 10, 2012 at 9:01 pm

Do they have Bingo Night at the local mosque?

Baconzgood July 10, 2012 at 3:30 pm

I'm pretty sure what he's proposing isn't constitutional.

Terry July 10, 2012 at 3:38 pm

Maybe he said it in front of a flag with gold fringe on it.

Nostrildamus July 10, 2012 at 3:45 pm

These days it's probably 4/9 constitutional.

Biel_ze_Bubba July 10, 2012 at 9:01 pm

5/9.

shelwood46 July 11, 2012 at 3:30 am

Rand Paul is now the arbiter of what is constitutional. Did you check with him?

fuflans July 10, 2012 at 3:31 pm

all the biggest assholes are named 'geert'.

OldWhiteLies July 10, 2012 at 3:31 pm

OOO-EEEE, I duz luvs me some XENOPHOBIA.

We sprinkle it on EVERYTHING! We buy it in the 5-gallon containers at Costco.

Fare la Volpe July 10, 2012 at 4:00 pm

Is it even xenophobia if you're hating on people from your own country?

ph7 July 10, 2012 at 3:32 pm

God screwed up in sending hellfire to Colorado and not Dearborn last week, apparently.

iburl July 10, 2012 at 3:40 pm

God was secretly born in a muslim country (Palestine).

Self-Uploader July 10, 2012 at 3:34 pm

He used the word "existential" but I don't think it means what he thinks it means.

Gleem McShineys July 10, 2012 at 5:08 pm

He should have stuck with "DERP"

Chill_Bill July 10, 2012 at 3:34 pm

That pic looks like it came from the set of "Indiana Jones and Temple of Durr."

coolhandnuke July 10, 2012 at 3:35 pm

Just another gathering of impotent, closeted homos on the range posturing and bragging that their God has a bigger dick than the other dickless gods.

Oblios_Cap July 10, 2012 at 3:52 pm

Kinda funny, since they're all pretty much the same Og. Especially the Big Three, as it were.

valthemus July 10, 2012 at 3:37 pm

Apparently, LARPing the major battles of The Crusades with big, foam swords just wasn't supplying enough of an anti-Islamic thrill.

Chick-Fil-Atheist™ July 10, 2012 at 3:39 pm

LARP is around just so SCA people have something to laugh at.

HarryButtle July 10, 2012 at 3:37 pm

Alright, I suppose it's time to start drawing some fucking borders and dividing up this country because I have had it with teh stoopid.

CrunchyKnee July 10, 2012 at 3:37 pm

To be fair, this idiot is from Grand Junction, which is a just a stones throw from Utardia. Just saying.

Fare la Volpe July 10, 2012 at 3:59 pm

Throwing stones is prohibited according to the Book of Mormon.

flamingpdog July 10, 2012 at 5:35 pm

Grand Junction is just a suburb of Moab anymore.

elburritodeluxe July 10, 2012 at 3:38 pm

Why, every Johnny Jihad and Sally Suicide Vest will be moving to Colorado if we allow them to open their "mosques"!

Chick-Fil-Atheist™ July 10, 2012 at 3:39 pm

I am less concerned about the Islamic threat, and more of the Christian threat. When will we hear his plans for dealing with that directly?

MacRaith July 10, 2012 at 3:51 pm

The Christians have a plan for that. They plan to make everyone one of them, one way or another.

ChernobylSoup July 10, 2012 at 3:39 pm

John Denver was full of shit.

Troglodeity July 10, 2012 at 6:57 pm

In Colorado, they spell that "Shiite."

Goonemeritus July 10, 2012 at 3:39 pm

I think this might be problematic but as long as we are going down that road I have embroidered a nice pillow with a list of the various faiths we might want to ban.

SayItWithWookies July 10, 2012 at 4:02 pm

All of them, Katie?

MaxNeanderthal July 10, 2012 at 5:20 pm

Roll on Ragnarok! And that'd be for all the gods…

Redhead July 10, 2012 at 3:39 pm

“Your country is facing a stealth jihad, an Islamic attempt to introduce Sharia law bit by bit by bit,” he said.

As opposed to the blatant jihad, the (fundy) Christian attempt to introduce (fundy) Christian Sharia law massive leap by massive leap?

Baconzgood July 10, 2012 at 3:40 pm

Broncos fans are stupid.

UnholyMoses July 10, 2012 at 4:03 pm

And they root for a bunch of fucking cheating pieces of fucking shit fuckfaces:

"Did I grease up my jersey, and use sticky substances on my gloves? You're damn right," Schlereth said recently. "What you call cheating is a fine line. It's an interesting line. What we did, in the locker room, is called being creative. Certain cheating is snickered at, or applauded."

And others call it "Knowing you're not good enough to win playing fair and square, so you take the pansy ass way out and cheat like the gutless fucking coward you are, Schlereth. (Also, too: Per NFL rules, the entire Oline should have been ejected once the substance couldn't be removed from their jerseys, plus a huge fine from the NFL.)

Add in the Spygate 2.0 shit with Josh Daniels, and the penalty they got for subverting the salary cap, and they whole organization is filled with scumbags who think they're above the rules.

Sorry, but the GOP and the Broncos infuriate me to no end, as both are cheating pieces of shit who will happily fuck over anyone standing in their path to power.

May they all rot in hell …

CapnRadio July 10, 2012 at 3:41 pm

Once you open your door to Sharia Law, she'll never leave. Soon it's "Can I borrow a cup of hummus?" or "Do you have any halal soup?" Before you know it, you walk into the kitchen to see her chopping off the hands of your infidel daughter for playing patty cake with the neighbor kid.

Nostrildamus July 10, 2012 at 3:42 pm

Islam is way down on my list of religions that pose an existential threat to America.

ph7 July 10, 2012 at 4:04 pm

All of 'em, Katie.

OldWhiteLies July 10, 2012 at 3:44 pm

I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

Stephen Henry Roberts; 1901-1971

Oblios_Cap July 10, 2012 at 3:53 pm

No wonder he declared ObamaCare constitutional!

emmelemm July 10, 2012 at 4:06 pm

I don't know who that is, but I like him. I like him a lot.

MaxNeanderthal July 10, 2012 at 5:24 pm

We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.
H L Mencken

Chick-Fil-Atheist™ July 10, 2012 at 3:44 pm

Christians, if you insist on calling all this shit yours, you must first do some reconciliation with the tenets of your faith against the Constitution.

1. How exactly will you complete your great commission when I have a "no soliciting" sign on my door?

2. What will you do when at least four of your ten precious commandments are found unconstitutional?

3. Will you still stone your upstart child to death, even if he is Mirandized and invokes the Fifth Amendment?

Please, please, PLEASE get your shit straight before talking on this level of stupid again.

AbandonHope July 10, 2012 at 4:12 pm

Sadly, that's a piece of cake:

1. Redefine "soliciting".
2. Redefine the Constitution.
3. Yes.

SigDeFlyinMonky July 10, 2012 at 3:48 pm

With a TB outbreak in the middle of cutting public health budgets, fearmomgering dolts claiming Islam is an existential threat and a candidate that somehow (legally of course!) has $100 million in his IRA account, the bat guano lunacy of these poltroons on the right has me thinking we need to recycle Papoon's slogan : Obama 2012 – NOT INSANE.

actor212 July 10, 2012 at 3:52 pm

I'd totally join the National Surrealist Party.

Not the one the Republicans are morphing into

actor212 July 10, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Hera Sent Me July 10, 2012 at 3:53 pm

It would be horrible if a Muslim institution in the US claimed immunity from US law. Clearly that should not be allowed.

Um, but doesn't the head office of the Roman Catholic Church claim to be a "sovereign nation"? And isn't that why numerous Roman Catholic institutions in the US claim immunity from US laws?

I'm so confused.

ChernobylSoup July 10, 2012 at 3:55 pm

I hear that when Sasha cuts out paper dolls, they're all wearing hijabs.

el_donaldo July 10, 2012 at 3:57 pm

Geert Wilders?!? Great. As if we don't have enough homegrown fascists, we now have to import them?

Nostrildamus July 10, 2012 at 4:12 pm

It's like the NHL. It's all about competitive salaries.

BoatOfVelociraptors July 10, 2012 at 3:59 pm

You know, talking about how Abrahamic religions worked out in Europe might not be very… what's the word? Oh yeah, literate.

fuflans July 10, 2012 at 4:00 pm

fucking first amendment. who can explain it?

Dashboard Buddha July 10, 2012 at 4:07 pm

You know what would be a great invention? A machine that measures the amount of irrational fear a person contains. Then, before a politician could even get on a ballot, he/she would be hooked up to a Infearometer. Score too high? Sorry…back to your old job. Also, this would include politicians seeking re-election since they seem to flip flop on issues based on fear. (I'm looking at you, Nikki Haley).

SorosBot July 10, 2012 at 4:07 pm

Yes, we see where Europe's at right now! They've got – a bunch of Muslim immigrants who are generally normal and just like everybody else, just like in the US! Oh how horrible it would be to have that here.

poorgradstudent July 10, 2012 at 4:27 pm

It always cracks me up when wingnuts talking about Europe turning into the new Caliphate. I never read or heard what they make of France's burqa ban and the Swiss constitutional ban on minarets but I guess they'd just say it's PROOF THAT EUROPEANS ARE WAKING UP TO THE AZAN!!!!11!!1!1!

SorosBot July 10, 2012 at 4:09 pm

“Your country is facing a stealth jihad, an Islamic attempt to introduce Sharia law bit by bit by bit,”

Yes, it's so stealthy that there have been a grand total of zero attempts to introduce Sharia law, and no one even mentioning wanting to introduce it, why it's so stealthy it almost seems like something that only exists within the mind of paranoid raving racist lunatics.

poorgradstudent July 10, 2012 at 4:12 pm

Nothing pisses off my far-right Catholic friend like reminding him that he and the Muslims worship the same God (he can barely wrap his head around the fact that he shares a religion with my gay liberal pastor ex-boyfriend, after all).

SayItWithWookies July 10, 2012 at 4:13 pm

Geert Wilders about his principles: "I'm very afraid of being linked with the wrong rightist fascist groups." Yeah, you wouldn't want the specter of institutionalized racism and xenophobia to distort your ideas about kicking all the Muslims out of your country now, would you?

SorosBot July 10, 2012 at 4:31 pm

Well come on now, it's not like any actual fascist terrorists have acted on the paranoia he pushes to murder about 77 people in, say, Norway.

Troglodeity July 10, 2012 at 6:56 pm

He desperately seeks instead to be linked with the CORRECT rightist fascist groups.

hagajim July 10, 2012 at 4:15 pm

When did Conservative become the synonym of stupid moron?

deanbooth July 10, 2012 at 6:18 pm

The tradition goes way back. An example I came across the other day: J. Sterling Morton , Grover Cleveland's Secretary of Agriculture, "vigorously opposed the passage of pure food laws. … Citizens concerned for their own health will check food themselves."

Same as it ever was.

Franknflower July 10, 2012 at 4:19 pm

Mosques are not churches but corporations are people. Go figure.

GeorgiaBurning July 10, 2012 at 4:40 pm

Sharia Law? That explains all that 3.2 beer in Colorado.

docterry6973 July 10, 2012 at 4:45 pm

I blame Reagan. He made conservatives stupid.

flamingpdog July 10, 2012 at 10:30 pm

If conservatives weren't already stupid, how did we end up with Raygun in the White House?

unclejeems July 10, 2012 at 5:04 pm

Yeah, I'm much more terrified that the Book of Moron, er, Mormon will become required reading in public schools next year that I ever have been about Koran-creep. That Mormon stuff is some scary shit.

DarkHippie July 10, 2012 at 5:11 pm

I am so digging Andrews' use of the term "existential threat." Everyone knows that Kierkegaard was a Muslim.

DahBoner July 10, 2012 at 5:15 pm

Kill the Protestants!!!!

NOBODY EXPECTS THE INQUISITION….

Estproph July 10, 2012 at 5:19 pm

If these people weren't so stupid, they would know that Muslims forcing Shari'a on the American populace would be like Jews mandating Kosher for the public at large.

BZ1 July 10, 2012 at 5:25 pm

What the hay, the nutjobs are listening to Geert Wilders???

Antispandex July 10, 2012 at 5:25 pm

“Your country is facing a stealth jihad, an Islamic attempt to introduce Sharia law bit by bit by bit,” he said."

The conservative christians don't call what they want to impose Sharia law, so no problem there?

Troglodeity July 10, 2012 at 6:55 pm

The Islamization of Colorado is already in full force. First one of their basketball players is a Muslim: Kenneth Faried. And now in honor of our Muslim President they're changing the names of Colorado's other two major sports teams to the Denver Barackos and the Colorado Barackies.

flamingpdog July 10, 2012 at 10:28 pm

I'm pretty sure Barry would be insulted by any association with the Colorado Crockies.

ttommyunger July 10, 2012 at 11:24 pm

"…and for my next trick, I'm going to shit in this hat and pull it down around my ears to see how I look in brown curls."

gogogodzilla July 10, 2012 at 11:34 pm

In a related story, a Muslim spokesman replied "Derka derka Mohammed jihad."

redarmyzombie July 11, 2012 at 4:05 am

Wait, you mean that goddamned fire is STILL going? Christ, god must hate Colorado…

AbandonHope July 10, 2012 at 4:13 pm

Blue diamonds and purple horseshoes! Now I got all the Lucky Charms!

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