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We Guess There Is Just No Way To Know What Is Going On In This Self-Taped Stand Your Ground Video

It was good of Raul Rodriguez to carry a video camera (and a weapon) when he went to confront his dickhole drunk neighbors because their music was too loud. Otherwise how would we ever know that as he tells police dispatchers he is in fear for his life and will have to shoot the (elementary school teacher) neighbor, that neighbor is standing 20 feet away with his arms raised?

Many questions are raised from this: In those last few seconds, DID those guys charge him? (Don’t know! Rodriguez conveniently drops the camera just in time to shoot.) When does “premeditated” start? Is it when he tells them like 50 times he will shoot them, and that he is in fear of his life, and tells dispatch he is going to have defend himself instead of, you know, going home? Is “more guns” really always the best answer? (America, fuck yeah!) And just how easy is it to become an elementary school teacher in Texas?

Suss it all out amongst yourselves, in the comments. This kitchen floor isn’t going to lie on itself! [KHOU]

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192 comments

  1. slowhansolo

    Look, he went through all the trouble to walk onto the guy's property, no way he was leaving without plugging someone. What the hell's wrong with you people?

  2. Antispandex

    Many people who are 20 feet away with their arms raised are a threat. Like Bin Laden. OK, not him anymore, but lots.

      1. ChernobylSoup

        You can only shoot the Village People during "C" and "M." During "Y" and "A" they are clearly not threatening.

      2. UnholyMoses

        The Village People ≠ Public Enemy

        Ain't no way Chuck D puts on a biker's outfit. Flav, on the other hand …

    1. mormos

      yeah, his neighbor could have been wearing a suicide vest. How was Raul supposed to know that a man in t-shirt, shorts, and sandals(?) (hard to make out) with his arms raised above his head wasn't a dangerous threat.

      1. scvirginia

        SANDALS? Clear danger sign, there. I hear Alinsky-ite terrorists favor sandals above all other footgear.

  3. Goonemeritus

    One of my earliest and best decisions was not to become a gun owner given how many people I run into daily that I feel would benefit from being shot in the face

    1. Antispandex

      Look, I have had guns since I was 18, and I have never shot anyone. Sure, I've only been to Texas twice, and I wasn't armed then, but still…

    2. anniegetyerfun

      I have discussed this with my husband. We were thinking of getting something shooty to keep wildlife at a distance, but then I realized that I would quickly turn it on every single driver in a BMW on the I-5.

      1. scvirginia

        So then you rushed down to the gun show/ flea market place & even paid the 'extra fee' for no-paperwork?

    3. chascates

      One of my best friends is totally against guns and told me she would be afraid to carry a pistol in her car, she said there were so many other drivers she wanted to shoot! AND she once followed a lady home to bitch about how she swerved across 2 lanes to turn.

    1. BklynE

      I had the great honor of sitting next to Shaun Ryder on a New York to London flight 7 years ago. It was the greatest in-flight experience of my life. I still have no idea what he was talking about; at one point he asked a flight attendant for water and she brought him two bags of pretzels.

  4. Hera Sent Me

    Yosemite Sam Wannabe: GET OFF MY LAWN, YA DADBLASTED VARMIT!

    Drunken Schlub: I'm on my own lawn! You're on MY lawn!

    BLAM-BLAM-BLAM-BLAM-BLAM!

    YSW: I had no choice, officer. I was standing his ground.

  5. Dr. Nick Riviera

    Alright neighbor, my gun is just going to go like this "bang!" and if you get hit, it's your own fault.

    1. MittBorg

      I happen to live within hearing distance of a family of total assholes who do not understand the concept of "inside voice" (nothing like hearing a ten-year-old girl screaming "Fuck YOU!" at her mother repeatedly at the top of her lungs) and also try to have parties at least three nights a week that last till the wee hours and involve much ingestion of booze, possibly also drugs (I couldn't care less), and LOUD music. I mean, shake the walls of the houses all the way down the street loud music.

      Although I have often comforted myself with the thought of shooting the whole fucking family and all their guests to deff and torching all their stereo equipment, in over 20 years, I have never so much as raised my fucking voice at them.

      Maybe it's time to buy that gun. Did this guy go free?

      1. FNMA

        Damn, I think I used to live across an alley from these people. Do they sell crack too? Anyway, it got a lot quieter after the police came one night and took them all away. Something about a dead guy in the alley…

        1. MittBorg

          Unfortunately, no. If they did, I'd probly buy some just to get some relief from their fucking parties.

          Just kidding. Although crack isn't something to kid about.

      2. Generation[redacted]

        Before you buy a gun to silence that stereo equipment, consider an EMP device instead.

  6. hollywooddood

    Unfortunately, running around with a loaded gun, threatening and then shooting people will not make Raul's dick any bigger.

    1. ph7

      "Raul" is short for Rand Paul. The dead's guy civil rights end where Raul's nappy-poo begins.

    1. Antispandex

      Sort of a new take on the old saying, "My favorite team is whoever is beating the Cowboys"?

      1. sewollef

        "My favorite team is whoever is beating the Cowboys"

        Well, I can tell you right now, Sitting Bull, Cochise and Crazy Horse were on MY favorite teams… they gave those uppity terrorists a black eye or two.

  7. EatsBabyDingos

    If Raul's penis had a finger and a gun, I'm sure Raul would be dead. Who could stand living next to that big a dick?

  8. Barb

    Jeff has a job offer in another country. At first, I balked. Then I watch shit like this and I feel like grabbing some boxes and start packing my stuff. This video makes me physically ill.

    1. UnholyMoses

      If I were you, I'd:

      a.) be illegally gay married to Jeff ;-)

      2.) MOVE ASAP!

      'Cause, really — WTF is keeping you in the US? A love for pointless murders? Desire to live in a Oligarchy/quasi-fascist nation? Enjoy the sound of drones … um … droning overhead?

      Seriously — The Mrs and would GTFO without hesitation.

      Well, unless the "other country" was, like, Somalia or Iran or Afghanistan or something.

    2. emmelemm

      As long as there's Internet wherever you're going and you continue on Wonkette, then we're golden.

    3. JustPixelz

      [talking about his father] “Anyway after my venting, I hung up and cried. I didn't know what to do. I knew what I wanted to do, but I not what I should do. I wanted to teach the old S.O.B. a lesson. And I thought I should be better than him, to rise above how much he'd hurt me over the years.”

      He said it all in a matter-of-fact tone, as if talking about someone else.

      “When Paul came home that night, he had some boxes and moving company brochures. He said 'start packing'. He already knew we were moving. He knew it before I did." He rubbed his eyes. "Because he's my best friend.”

  9. Ryy

    Ah the intelligence of brandishing a gun at your drunk neighbors and telling them to turn down the radio. WHAT could possibly go wrong?

    See, I dont mind people being able to legally buy a gun. BUT, morons should not be allowed guns; and guys who need to the gun to back their egos. So, since most people are morons, and most guys who want a gun want it to back up their ego……. let's err on the side of caution and keep guns out of people's moron hands.

  10. Terry

    This video should be shown any time someone tries to propose or defend a Stand Your Ground law.

    Paul Rodriguez is a goddamn head case.

    1. FNMA

      I usually go over and drink all their beer. Once I get started on their liquor, the party just kind of breaks up on its own.

    2. Steverino247

      I call Scotty aboard the Enterprise, have him lock on to their brainstems and…energize.

  11. Estproph

    "We thought it would be funny if we provoked a neighbor with anger management problems by having an overly loud party. Watch the hijinks!"

    1. slowhansolo

      In Pa., I believe the law allows ground-standing anywhere you "have a right to be." I don't know for certain, but I'm certain the law's more "generous" in Texas.

    2. Not_So_Much

      Yes, but only within range of your penis extension NRA-approved personal defense weapon.

  12. MittBorg

    OMG. Has Our Esteemed Editrix been hitting the bottle, perhaps a little too hard, with her perfectly kissable lips?

    Fear not, Editrix. I live for open threads.

    1. actor212

      Did you not get the memo? Gimp suit or GTFO

      In fact, you'd have your avatar if you had read it and followed the instructions.

      1. MittBorg

        Dude, I have a permanent Gimp suit.

        I *appear* to have my avatar. Were you engaging in a little sleight of hand there, actor?

  13. UnholyMoses

    Guns don't kill people.

    Guns owned by stupid and/or psychopathic assholes kill people.

    Or something. I need to check with the NRA …

  14. Lionel[redacted]Esq

    I think we have found the first government program that Libertarians can get behind:

    Provide free guns to people so they can defend themselves from the people with guns.

    What can possible be wrong with that? It is what Government was intended to do.

  15. Crank_Tango

    When Stand Your Ground meets the Castle Doctrine, it's just too bad the Union Thugs weren't armed too, for full effect.

    1. rickmaci

      As Lincoln said, "government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid, will cause us all to perish from the earth". Or something like that.

  16. Mumbletypeg

    I couldn't watch the video but will add here that the incident happened two years prior to the Trayvon Martin shooting; it's the trial that's now in progress & getting attention as its timeframe falls under a different self-defense doctrine than "Stand Your Ground." JUST to provide some context — a thingy that myself and Jebrasmus Bush are working hard to remove the smirch from in these confusing times.

  17. niblick77

    If EVERYONE in the video had a gun we would not have to have a trial. Just a lot of grave diggin!

  18. ph7

    In my past, I have both (1) bought candy from 7-11 and taken a shortcut home, and (2) thrown obnoxious parties that piss off my neighbors, so I am glad not to live in the Bible Belt, where these are capital offenses.

    1. Redgyal

      Sure, but we're you blah when committing any of the offenses? That might make it wrong in all 50 states.

  19. imissopus

    If you can shoot a neighbor because his stereo is too loud, I'd have shot the wannabe DJ in the upstairs apartment about fifty times since last July.

    1. Generation[redacted]

      "He's coming right for us!" and "Thin out their numbers!" work equally well.

  20. SayItWithWookies

    So if you give people even the flimsiest excuse to shoot someone, they'll take it? I guess we owe the NRA, the tea party and every paranoid motherfucker out there a big debt of gratitude for making us learn the simplest rules of human behavior all over again.

    1. actor212

      I forget which comedian said it, maybe it was Maher, but do you get the feeling the NRA sits around their offices all day and says "What crazy fucking law can we get passed next? What? Stand Your Ground? So you don't even have to be *home* to kill an intruder!? That's GENIUS!"

  21. An_Outhouse

    What a fucking pussy. What's with the marbles in their mouths. They hardly speak American.

  22. HempDogbane

    After the Voter ID amendment passes in Minnesota this fall, the state will give every eligible voter a handgun with their photo ID lasered onto it, solving (at least) two problems in one. This is how efficient governments are run.

  23. Chick-Fil-Atheist™

    Does the castle doctrine apply if you swap rooks, and if your king hasn't been in check?

      1. MittBorg

        You got the delivery all wrong. You're supposed to say that into a video camera, with … pregnant … Shatnerian … pauses.

    1. MittBorg

      Me. I care. I know some really decent people in Texas. And some of our best Wonketteers live in TX. I'm glad it wasn't any of them, and sorry it happened at all. Some kids are missing their teacher today.

  24. BaldarTFlagass

    I guess it was just a matter of time before Texas got on this Stand Your Ground bandwagon.

  25. CrunchyKnee

    When did they start making vidya camrah's wit bilt in decibel sensors, by gawd? 85 of em!

    1. CommieLibunatic

      I know, I like how he can just stagger out somewhere at night and gauge something that obscure so accurately. Fuckin' wannabe Rambo.

    1. Jukesgrrl

      Possible. He's still thinking about running again. Asked if he would by the Arizona Daily Star this morning, Kelly's reply was, “We are spending some time catching up with family and prayerfully reflecting on the future. We expect to have an announcement about our future plans in the next day or two." So he'll run if Jeebus tells him to, by gawd.

      The good news: with all the votes counted we now know that Barber defeated Kelly by 9,000 more votes than Gabby Giffords managed to win by last time. Oh, happy day, 9,000 Tucsonans have come to their senses in fewer than two years! And this in a district where registered Republicans outnumber Democrats.

      Thank you, Bat-shit-crazy Arizona Legislature. You are at least good for something.

  26. Pop_Socket

    But, but… he said the magic "I'm in fear for my life" words which bring a ring of protection around him. He's going to need them in prison.

  27. Nostrildamus

    That video has more assholes in it than a gas station hot dog.

    (Thanks to whoever said that first)

    1. __kth__

      I wouldn't game it out quite that way. More likely he skates for killing his neighbor in a fight he started, which will prove that the justice system in the Houston area is not racist.

  28. slowhansolo

    This guy's screwed mostly because there were (presumably hostile) witnesses. Make sure no one but the target's around before you blast away, kids!

    1. scvirginia

      Damn- it's been a long time since I heard that one. Maybe not since I had MOB on vinyl.

  29. JohnyEdge

    The scariest part of this whole video were the concealed carry "experts" who spoke afterwards. According to them, Raul spoke all the right magic words so he was entitled to shoot and kill his neighbor.

    "I have a gun."
    "I'm a-feared for my life" (In American English for those of you that don't speak Texan: I'm afraid for my life.)
    "I will shoot."

    Bang and you get off with a self-defense claim.

    Well, I'm saying now, once and for all: I have a gun. I'm afraid for my life and I will shoot.

    You're all witnesses that whatever I do from now on is in self defense. No matter how many assholes I need to shoot.

    1. Generation[redacted]

      "I have a gun. I'm afraid for my life and I will shoot."

      I need that on a t-shirt.

      1. MittBorg

        Jesus, Generation, you gotta be careful where you wear that fucking thing.

        Or maybe we could take it a bit further and have, like, three bulletholes on the shirt, and convincing bloodstains.

    2. __kth__

      It seems obvious that he was checking off those boxes, as though from some kind of step-by-step instruction set. To me, that just makes it look pre-meditated. Whether taking legal advice from a gun loon message board is a good idea, I guess we'll soon find out.

      1. carlgt1

        yeah, it's a common gun-nut "self defense" ploy — I remember at the RNC in Philly years ago, we liberals were taunting right-wing idiots, and one of them started shouting this phony "I'm in fear for my life" BS as if he was going to start shooting us and needed his right-wing buddies as witnesses. What they're basically saying is "I am a coward and need a gun."

  30. actor212

    I really don't understand this, thinking about it

    I mean, the guy's on the phone with the cops, AND has a video camera with him. Isn't it enough to walk over and ask politely if they could keep the noise down? You've got the fucking cops on the fucking line, listening in! You ask nicely, an either they say, "Oh, man, sorry! Yes, of course" or they give you lip, to which you say to the nice dispatcher on the line, "Do you think you could send a car over, please?"

    1. scorpy1

      Well, how else are the cops going to know that your life's in danger if you don't assert it repeatedly.
      I mean, he had all his line's scripted, it just couldn't be helped that the actors had their own ideas.

      Proof Fool!

  31. glamourdammerung

    A lot of people seem to mistake "provoke a confrontation" and "stalk" with "self defense".

  32. chascates

    He is in fear of his life because their music is too loud although he's waving a gun at them? Sounds like an insanity defense to me.

  33. under_score

    Oh my god, the thing that makes my head 'splode is the get out of jail free magic incantation, per the expert gun nut shown later in the video

    "My life is in danger. I am armed. I will shoot you."

    It's like a reverse Miranda warning.

    1. Generation[redacted]

      Our lives are always in danger all the time. An asteroid could hit the earth at any second!

  34. Steverino247

    As for the lovely woman in that blue dress. Oh, yeah…

    Can we get some more film of her at 11? Thanks.

  35. ttommyunger

    Speaking as one who has been in fear for his life on several occasions I have to say I admire this young man's courage under; well, not fire; but loud music, to say the least. Honestly, the times I've been in fear for my life I could only do the shooting part. The announcement that I was armed, in fear of my life and certainly the ability to operate a video camera were completely out of the question. Screaming for my mother, shitting my pants, notsomuch, though.

    1. ttommyunger

      My point exactly. The real shit goes down so fucking fast you don't even remember it correctly sometimes.

  36. Pithaughn

    Check me if I'm wrong Sandy, but does this mean I can confront any of those stupid Harley riders, tell them they are really effing stupid and I hate the noise thier pos makes. Then blow them away if they get angry? Assuming I say the magic phrases loud enough so that I could reasonably assume they heard me of course. Can a human voice make that loud of a sound though? Better research that first before I test this out fri nite at the local dive bar.

  37. elburritodeluxe

    These neighbors are being total dicks about a guy who's just threatening to shoot them if they don't do what he wants.

  38. thumbcuff

    In my country there are no guns so we kill our neighbors by stamping on their heads for a while. It's aerobic.

    1. MittBorg

      It's actually pretty difficult to kill a person one to one without some sort of weapon. Takes real strength, determination, viciousness — or the heightened inability to feel pain that comes from drugs, booze, or an extreme emotional reaction. Guns make it way too easy.

    2. Generation[redacted]

      See? This is why we have an obesity problem, especially in Texas. We just drive up in our air-conditioned trucks and start shooting.

  39. larrykat

    Lets ask the guy with a skull and crossed rifles on his t-shirt what HE thinks about this, mmm-kay?

    1. Generation[redacted]

      He would make an excellent witness for the defense, wouldn't he?

      "Your honor, the defense calls to the stand, Ted Nugent."

  40. Franknflower

    The really sad thing is, my dad would watch this and totally side with Rodriguez even though he is a Mexican.

  41. owhatever

    Going back inside his own house and letting the cops handle the music complaint was not an option, I guess. And balancing a gun, a camera and a decibel-meter is no easy thing in the dark.

  42. MittBorg

    These neighbors are being total ^^STUPID^^ dicks about a guy who's just threatening to shoot them if they don't do what he wants.

    FIFY, NNTT.

  43. DeathOfIrony

    There are a lot of man boobs in that video…is that what 'curtilage' means? Is that grounds for being shooty? It makes me feel somewhat shooty, or at least stabby.

    I also know that such as when I feel threatened, I start videotaping, much like the animals on the African Plain.

  44. spinozasgod

    many of the comments on the link defend the shooting……this country is filled with crazy idiots with guns. How did this happen?

  45. valthemus

    Yes, the party people were being dicks, but I pay taxes so I can call the police to come and overreact and kill people for me. There is an etiquette to these things.

  46. scvirginia

    My local paper is reporting that Rodriguez was convicted & will be sentenced tomorrow- punishment up to life in prison… But he wasn't dealing dimebags so he'll prob'ly be out in a few…

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