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Law-And-Order Republicans In Indiana Now Let You Stand Your Ground Against Cops


So here is what we are having a hard time wrapping our puny girly brains around: we remember, due to oldness, when the NRA lobbied to keep Kevlar-piercing bullets legal (for those Kevlar-vested deer), but when did Ted Nugent and pals come to so wholly outrank sensible Establishment Republicans as to get cop-killing legalized? Was it when cops became just another Wisconsin Thug union, along with 9/11 Heroes (firemen) and teachers (teachers)? We will say sure, yes, Wisconsin. And now Mitch Daniels, Indiana governor, has signed a law allowing people to shoot cops who bust into their homes we are not even kidding that is not even a hoax. It is unpossible that anything could go wrong.

We join Radley Balko and the rest of the cool dudes at Reason in screaming our fucking heads off when cops point to the gram of weed they found as justification for having busted into the wrong trailer and shot your mom (and your dog), but you being allowed to shoot back at them will probably not make anything less shooty? In fact — just spitballing here — MAYBE MORE SO?

Here, have some law.

(i) A person is justified in using reasonable force against a public servant if the person reasonably believes the force is necessary to:
(1) protect the person or a third person from what the person reasonably believes to be the imminent use of unlawful force;
(2) prevent or terminate the public servant’s unlawful entry of or attack on the person’s dwelling, curtilage, or occupied motor vehicle; or
(3) prevent or terminate the public servant’s unlawful trespass on or criminal interference with property lawfully in the person’s possession, lawfully in possession of a member of the person’s immediate family, or belonging to a person whose property the person has authority to protect.
(j) Notwithstanding subsection (i), a person is not justified in using force against a public servant if:
(1) the person is committing or is escaping after the commission of a crime;
(2) the person provokes action by the public servant with intent to cause bodily injury to the public servant;
(3) the person has entered into combat with the public servant or is the initial aggressor, unless the person withdraws from the encounter and communicates to the public servant the intent to do so and the public servant nevertheless continues
or threatens to continue unlawful action; or
(4) the person reasonably believes the public servant is:
(A) acting lawfully; or
(B) engaged in the lawful execution of the public servant’s official duties.
(k) A person is not justified in using deadly force against a public servant whom the person knows or reasonably should know is a public servant unless:
(1) the person reasonably believes that the public servant is:
(A) acting unlawfully; or
(B) not engaged in the execution of the public servant’s official duties; and
(2) the force is reasonably necessary to prevent serious bodily injury to the person or a third person.
SECTION 2. An emergency is declared for this act.

n.b. — Dear black people, this law will absolutely not apply to you, so don’t even think about it.

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217 comments

  1. Come here a minute

    I heard on the radio that the NRA passed a law allowing responsible citizens in Reno to shoot a man just to watch him die.

    1. comrad_darkness

      This is an extension to their previous law, "how else do I clean my gun without pointing it at my annoying neighbor"

    2. Tundra Grifter

      I turned twenty-one in prison,
      Doin' life without parole,
      There's only me to blame 'cause Momma tried.

      —-

      Then one night in Memphis,
      A redneck grabbed my shirt.
      He said "Get back to your cotton patch"
      And I left him dieing in the dirt.

      Tomorrow morning they'll take me
      To that gallows outside.

      And in the time I've got
      There ain't a hellova lot
      I can look back on with pride.

      But I never picked cotton…

    3. tessiee

      They just might find themselves on horseback in the dark, just ridin' and runnin' across that desert sand.

  2. Barb

    Gun rights and overturning Roe v Wade. For the last 3 and a half years, it's like the movie Groundhog Day. No wonder other countries are getting ahead of us in everything.

      1. Barb

        Guns work!

        False sense of insecurity? People buy guns to protect their homes. Guns are one of the most frequently stolen items in residential burglaries. Also, more children are killed or injured by firearms in homes than are home-invading criminals. What we use to make us feel safe actually makes us less safe. This should be a more important election issue than birth control, but our national neuroses won't allow discussion of such things.

        1. thatsitfortheother1

          Guns make you safe the way that floatation device underr your seat make you safe in the middle of the North Atlantic.

          1. Dashboard Buddha

            A carbine would be better. Better still would be a machete. Remember, you never have to reload a blade.

          2. actor212

            That implies close-quarter combat, which I'm fine with, but I suspect Barb would prefer they be kept at bay.

            Actually, I'm thinking a kendo stick would be even better, perhaps one loaded with a steel bar in the middle. Effective at medium range and you can move up and down the handle to maximize efficiency.

            History Channel had a great show on the history of zombies which included self-defense tips.

          3. BerkeleyBear

            Why not just a bo staff made out of something like ironwood (or just a steel bar, for that matter)? Wanna keep it simple.

            Mythbusters just took on the idea of knife vs. holstered pistol (knife wins if you are closer than about 20 feet when the fight begins). As I said to my wife, "So, if I am an NRA heat packing moron, the lesson I take is that the scary mugger can and will kill me before I draw my fancy concealed weapon. So I should just carry it around in my hand at all times."

          4. Dashboard Buddha

            If one is looking for a long range shot, it seems that the Uzi would not be the "go-to" weapon. Also, if one finds oneself ass deep in the Zombie Apocalypse can never carry enough ammo to defeat them. Your best bet is evasion..and that means silence.

          5. CommieLibunatic

            FUCKIN' YES. Not just a versatile weapon (doesn't need to be sharp like a blade), but a good tool. Works as a pry bar, cheater bar, emergency foot hold, hammer, bottle opener…

            Truely, the only respectable weapon for any free man.

          6. tessiee

            "you could rock the Gordon Freeman look and use your crowbar."

            What, that chef on TV who yells at people?

          7. CommieLibunatic

            I, for one, refuse to perpetuate the myth of the shotgun being the penultimate anti-walker weapon. Go 7.62 NATO/.308 Winchester or go to Hell.

          8. GunToting[Redacted]

            True, but the scattergun is useful for medium range. Easier to line up the headshot with the ghost ring, and #2 shot will really scramble the noggin.

          9. Barb

            You don't need a gun for the zombie apocalypse. You just need to be good at tripping your friends.

            Trust me, all my friends be trippin'.

          10. actor212

            Well, see, that's true for the initial outbreak but eventually you run out of friends.

            And now you've trained zombies to see you as a provider of food.

          11. BoatOfVelociraptors

            So you're saying, that with enough friends, you could domesticate the zombies?

            Good Boy! Have a treat. Here's a facebook friend.

          12. GunToting[Redacted]

            12-gauge Remington pump with buckshot for close-ish quarter, Mauser 6.5MM for distance, and multiple melee weapons for end-game. The Uzi just wastes ammo. You ever felt the muzzle-climb on one of those little fuckers?

      1. Wile E. Quixote

        Works for me. That fetus is squatting in your womb and violating your private property rights.

      1. Wile E. Quixote

        Don't think of it as abortion. Think of it as "pre-natal capital punishment", because conservatives love capital punishment. After all, if it weren't for capital punishment we wouldn't have Easter.

        1. MissNancyPriss

          There's no fetal color scan (yet), is there? Can we at least keep abortion safe and legal for us womenz claiming the fetus is unwhite? So that when the courts tell us we must go through with the pregnancy, we don't have to resort to our second amendment rights, or stand you ground laws or what have you, and blow our uteri open with a shotgun blast?

    1. JustPixelz

      Two of the three pillars of the Repubican party. (The third is billionaires should not pay taxes.) Protect innocent life, while making it easier (and legal!) to kill people. They should actually read the "Bible" they use to hate teh gheys. (Oops, forgot they have another pillar).

      1. tessiee

        FOUR pillars of the Republican party!
        And cut social services because austerity, but build up the military because terra.
        FIVE! FIVE pillars of the Republican party…

    1. mrpuma2u

      Does this mean when dumbass legislators go out in to the community proposing stupid laws( a clear and present danger) they can be shot as a pre-emptive standing of the grounds?

      1. Wile E. Quixote

        Works for me. We should also pre-emptively shoot the groups behind those laws. I'm looking at you ALEC.

    2. Infrogmation

      "You men from the bank? Daddy told me to shoot who's ever from the bank. "

      Indiana's "Oh Brother Where Art Thou" bill will legalize this; just what we need for the New Great Depression.

    1. Chichikovovich

      I would guess that there is some Indiana that says a law doesn't take effect until x days after passage have elapsed, unless it is deemed an emergency. Maybe you need a special super-majority to get the emergency designation, but since the Republicans have iron control of the Indiana legislature, that's not a problem.

  3. randcoolcatdaddy

    Hmph. I never thought guys compensating for a short penis would lead to laws that allow killing cops.

  4. Arken

    I'm on an airplane flying to Indiana right now… Unfortunately, I forgot to pack a gun.

    Also, I forgot to buy a gun.

  5. Schmannnity

    Mitt: "What part of the results in Wisconsin didn't the police understand? Put your weapon down, hands behind your head, and decertify your union."

  6. Joshua Norton

    Ted Nugent is one bad-ass mofo. In fact he was going to single-handedly win the Vietnam war until he realized they'd be shooting back. Then he literally crapped his pants and remembered he had other stuff to do. Typical right wing gutless wonder.

  7. hagajim

    "A person is justified in using reasonable force against a public servant…"

    This isn't just cops, it includes anyone who might work for the public sector like child welfare workers, adult protection, firemen, the local meter reader. Looks to me like Mitchy just signed a death warrant for public sector workers. Fucking asshole!

    1. BerkeleyBear

      This section just reeks of stupid. I look forward to massive litigation surrounding whether the guy was justified in shooting the postal worker who was trying to pry the yard dog's jaws off his leg.

    2. Generation[redacted]

      Don't forget teachers. Kids, if you're in imminent danger of a paddlin' remember your rights!

    3. Dr. Nick Riviera

      The memo went out amongst the loonies and gun nuts though who have flooded the messageboards declaring that finally, someone will stop the "Nazi SS" that have been victimizing them.

  8. mavenmaven

    Guns über alles!
    (on a personal note, I knew the guitarist on this track D-roc, the man with the mask, very nice guy, died of a nasty cancer).

      1. mavenmaven

        honestly, there are better deaths and worse ones. His involved the skin and let us just say it was nasty and he died at 44. Interestingly, new drugs for his type of lymphoma were developed through the NIH, but new budget cuts (and the certain death of the NIH under the repubs) threaten all of those programs.

        1. Lascauxcaveman

          I know four cancer survivors (three of them Canadian, as it happens) and they think the better cancers are the ones you detect early, and survive.

  9. Serolf_Divad

    So the new GOP party platform consists of: fire all the schoolteachers and kill all the cops?

    Was this plan concocted by Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold?

    What could possibly go wrong?

    1. YasserArraFeck

      "I had to waste my teacher because he was intruding on my snoozetime"
      "Case dismissed!!"

  10. James Michael Curley

    In NJ we have a law that allows you to shoot a DMV inspector if he farts into your drivers seat while testing the brakes.

      1. James Michael Curley

        Does that include the ones on the out bound side of the Holland Tunnel wearing the hot pants and outrageous wigs?

      2. Wile E. Quixote

        Isn't he also going to pass one that allows you to shoot anyone who is selling a soft drink over 16 ounces?

    1. prommie

      They don't test your breaks anymore, silly! Parson's has finally achieved the perfect Zen state of beinglessness; they still have the contract to perform the MV safety inspections, but there no longer ARE any MV safety inspections.

      For the blueprint of the privatization evil that is truly behind the Koch-Walker agenda, examine closely the legacy of everything Christie Whitman ever did, from buying out Buster Soaries with silent, quiet DYFS contracts, to Parsons, to every fucking thing she ever touched, because she was working with the Bushies in the very forefront of both privatization AND voter purging. I know, I did actually study this shit. Look at the original contract with Chase to process EZ-Pass payments, what a fucking giveaway, look at the fiber-optic easements down the Parkway and Turnpike. Cunt gave away the State.

      1. James Michael Curley

        Ain’t gonna get an argument from me. Back in the early 90’s Colgate had a problem with their property in Jersey City as it contained exceedingly high concentrations of lead, arsenic, cadmium, other heavy metals and a virtual chem lab of salts and phosphates in the soil. (On the waterfront where they made toothpaste for almost 80 years) When Witman became Guv and implemented her ‘we’ll let the owners suggest the most cost effective method to clean up their properties’ the method chosen was to pave it over and make a parking lot. Even before she left office to become director of the EPA, her administration promoted building two waterfront towers on the property and since they could not be excavated (both the pollution and the water table would flood the excavation) the builders Hartz drove pilings into the ground as basis for the twelve story buildings. Each time they drove a piling down to bed rock water would seek up, sometimes in four and five foot high geysers. The ware was suds, oily, brackish and smelled like nothing you could imagine. It was years long ‘persuading’ of the laws to circumvent actually cleaning up the land. Still, since the Hudson River Ferry is just off the bulkhead, the river foams up as the stuff leaks through the bulkhead.Don’t get me started on her ‘testing says the air is safe around ground zero’ decision. I already had a comment ‘deleted by the administrator’ this morning and I know several guys who are younger than I am and hacking themselves to death after rushing to the pile and breathing that safe air.

    1. Serolf_Divad

      Why should I need a reason, you statist tool? What if I want to shoot a guy for no reason at all?

    2. prommie

      Then we'd finally have a very polite society, I suppose, what with everybody being dead and all.

  11. freakishlywrong

    Mitch was being begged to run for POTUS. Swirl that around in your early mornin' cocktail glass, Wonkateers.

  12. Poindexter718

    If you set this legislation to a beat and could find something to rhyme with "curtilage," GOP lawmakers would call it "cop killer gangsta rap" and seek to associate the sponsor with Oblahma.

  13. chicken_thief

    I think the average person, reading at the 8th grade level, can comprehend the nuances of that law to sufficiently avoid any problems. And the cops will love added excitement of knowing that if the intell is bad, death could be the penalty!

    1. Lascauxcaveman

      All these years of "crisis training" for the cops, teaching them how to de-elevate the tension level while dealing with perps, goes out the window.

      From now on, just go in with guns a-blazing, ask questions later.

  14. BaldarTFlagass

    Those guys that read the electric meter for the light company are going to have to start getting danger pay.

    1. Dashboard Buddha

      They're being replaced by those new radio transmitter meters. Of course, these devices just open up a whole new can of paranoiac worms.

    2. BoatOfVelociraptors

      Hell, the unions should strike, especially the police. Mailmen should stop delivering letters and bills, because they might get shot.

  15. actor212

    Here's what I don't get about gun nuts.

    Let me preface by saying that I'm pro-Second Amendment, that there are circumstances particularly in rural areas where the cops are farther away than the morgue and so guns can be a necessity.

    But here's the thing: if you think a semi-automatic arsenal is going to do more than bupkis against a police force that can call up SWAT teams and armored personnel carriers and drones that could kill you without you knowing they're even watching you, then you must have a fucking screw loose somewhere in that empty olive oil can perched on your shoulders.

    It is much better…MUCH…to let the cops in, let them do what they want then sue the fucking pants off the bastards afterwards.

    At least you'll a) be alive to win and b) still have your fucking house, Rambo.

    1. Serolf_Divad

      It ain't about actually winninjg against the law… it's about taking as many of them with you as possible before you go out in a blaze 'o glory!!!

    2. BerkeleyBear

      Well, as long as Scalia doesn't have his way and gets rid of both the exclusionary rule and private causes of action for 4th Amendment violations (and no, I have no idea what the 4th Amendment means to him when you strip out both of those protections – maybe that the cops kinda sorta should have a reason before they kick your door down?)

    3. YasserArraFeck

      That's jus' plain Unamerkin'.
      "Stand your Ground!!"
      "Lock and Load!!!"
      "Remember the Alamo!!!!"

    4. JustPixelz

      You're right. That's why the Second Amendment needs to be interpreted in its original sense: Militias have the right to military grade weapons. Today that means if you don't have nukes, you're not safe.

  16. BaldarTFlagass

    This should really make things interesting when the cops go out to bust a meth lab.

  17. Goonemeritus

    Next time that building inspector trespasses on my property to give me shit about my chicken coup tribute to Frank Gehry he better watch out.

    1. Lascauxcaveman

      (A chicken coup? Is that when the chickens take over the farm?)

      Mine is more Richard Serra, but I'm with you on this one.

  18. SayItWithWookies

    Ciudad Juarez — it's where Indianans go to get away from all the violence and mayhem.

    1. cup_half_full

      door knockers are not public servants, but they are public nuisances…. close enough.

  19. PubOption

    What does Gordon Liddy have to say about this? I seem to remember that he advised shooting at the heads of ATF agents, since they could be wearing body armor.

  20. Chichikovovich

    (i) A person is justified in using reasonable force against a public servant if the person reasonably believes the force is necessary to:
    (1) protect the person or a third person from what the person reasonably believes to be the imminent use of unlawful force;

    Hmmm…. I wonder if the representatives passing laws like this, or the governors signing such laws are public servants who are creating conditions in which I might reasonably believe there is an imminent use of unlawful force threatening me or a third person.

    Sounds reasonable to me.

    1. BerkeleyBear

      Oh, my God! Here I was thinking about how stupid clause 2 and 3 were (because they basically allow you to kill to prevent minor trespassing or what you see as an unjustified police stop of your car), but you just took it to another level.
      Dan White only wished he had a law like this on the books to justify killing Mayor Moscone and Harvey Milk – "I had to do it, to stop them from forcing all the kids to be gay". It'll be open season on any legislator seeking to use the coercive power of the state.

      1. Wile E. Quixote

        It'll be open season on any legislator seeking to use the coercive power of the state.

        Cool. I'm shooting all of the legislators who want doctors to rape women with transvaginal ultrasounds before they can have an abortion. In fact I should just go out and shoot *everybody* who wants a woman to be raped with a trans-vaginal ultrasound before she can have an abortion. Oh, and don't give me any shit about protecting the goddamned fetuses either. Those fucking blastocysts are violating that woman's private property rights by being in her womb, you have to let women stand their ground by aborting them.

    2. Doktor Zoom

      Add this to the desire to allow concealed carry on school campuses, and student-teacher conferences should get interesting. Hell, I can think of at least three classroom discussions in first-year composition where things got heated enough that I was glad no one had a gun…

  21. rickmaci

    CONGRATULATIONS Mitch Daniels. You've just turned your state into….

    AFuckingGHANISTAN.

    What could go wrong?

  22. Nesnora

    A lot of this is based on: "what the person reasonably believes"

    After hearing the types of problems some of my social worker friends face, I cringe at the level of danger some of them could now walk into. Despite the legalities of this kind of claim standing up in court, it's too fucking late once someone is shot based on "that new law that lets you shoot social workers that try to take your kid away".

    Weird since this puts government workers that can't shoot back mostly in danger— ohh… oh I see what you did there GOP.

    1. BoatOfVelociraptors

      In all further debate, he should be referred to as Mitch "I legalized the murder of child protection agents" Daniels. Do it over and over and over again so it becomes a novelty, and the press picks up on the controversy over the "disrespect" to the Gov.

      Mitch's press secretary would have conniption fits trying to squelch the story.

  23. subsum

    Welcome to the Third World, Indiana. Meet your pals Somalia, Mexico, Honduras and Guinea Bissau. Enjoy!

    1. Dr. Nick Riviera

      Hey! Those Drug Dealers in Mexico reasonably feared for their lives! The cops had it coming!

  24. Allmighty_Manos

    AN ACT to amend the Indiana Code concerning criminal law and procedure. Jointly sponsored by state Rep. Easy-E and Sen. Ice Cube.

  25. FakaktaSouth

    You know if all of this goes to shit on someone and a black person DOES in fact try this out – it will be because of the rap guy turned terrible show actor singing in 1992 and not this here law. That's just how "those people" do stuff.

    1. MosesInvests

      OT, but you're going to be getting to Tejas just as the summer heat starts. 101 at Camp Mabry yesterday, tying the record for that date. But, the beer's good and you can cool off in Barton Springs if you get a chance to get there (don't know what your schedule's like).

      1. FakaktaSouth

        oh man I have been TRYING to figure a way to get this done – I would LOVE to have Texas Wonkette on parade – I will absolutely do what I can – flying in this Thursday, leaving Tuesday, you drink beer on a week day, I am sure of it!

        1. prommie

          Oh and I suppose this Barton Springs is a place of nekkid swimming and other such saturnalian wickedness?

          1. FakaktaSouth

            Oh my god I HOPE so – shit I may even forget the reason I went there and stay for-evah.

          2. MosesInvests

            Nekkid, no. But the water's so cold that just sticking your feet in will stop you from sweating on a triple-digit day. Actually getting in the water will cause shrinkage in a guy for the rest of the day. Nekkid swimming is at Hippie Hollow, on Lake Travis way out west of Austin.

        2. MosesInvests

          I definitely drink beer on weekdays-any day really, but on Friday night and Saturday I drink it at home. Need to figure out a place and time to meet. Chascates, Baldar T. Flagass and Fartknocker, not to mention lurker lady who works for the state govt., y'all in?
          EDIT: JennyJen, who works for the state.

  26. prommie

    So this means they're gonna free Mummia, right? Hello? Free Mummia? Remember those days, when we gave a shit about freeing Mummia, instead of being preoccupied with the corporate-sponsored dismantling of every traditional institution of our country, undertaken to ensure complete corporate control of the political process and essentially the privatization, usurpation, of government itself? Noone can buy anything anymore, now the corporations got their eyes on them taxes. Free Mummia, all he did was stand his ground against a cop, remember when that was what we worried about? And not playing Sun City? Fucking fuck is the world going to hell.

  27. BigSkullF*ckingDog

    You guys didn't read the fine print. This law only applies to white people in trailer parks.

    1. tessiee

      Then I shall await with interest the events that unfold when a jerb creator creates jerbs by laying off 1000 of the people who work for him.*

      *Yes, I am aware that that's not exactly the same as a public servant, but I that doesn't guarantee that Billy Joe Bob knows the difference.

  28. HempDogbane

    Curtilage: the land surrounding one's domicile, including the entire area beneath the cardboard flaps.

  29. Dashboard Buddha

    Wait a tick…isn't Indiana one of those states that made it illegal to video/sound record the activities of a cop? That'll be a sticky wicket. You get off scott free for blowing away the cop who is serving you with a warrant, but you'll have to spend 10 years in prison for making a video of it.

  30. ElPinche

    Commenter "Rod M" on the RT article sounds like one of the crazy legislators who wrote that piece of crap.

  31. proudgrampa

    I had a teacher in 5th grade who was an excelllent English composition instructor. I will never forget her talk, one day, about "weasel words." These are the words that people use to get out of actually committing to an idea.

    This legislation, as quoted, is chock-full of "weasel words." The most egregious ones: "reasonable" and "reasonably." "Reasonable force" and "reasonably believes," phrases used in this law, are so ambiguous as to be meaningless.

    All they've done here is endanger cops' lives.

    1. Doktor Zoom

      Sounds like that teacher was doing a good job at teaching critical thinking to 5th graders.

      Teachers like that just cause trouble, and once we've gotten rid of unions, they won't be able to poison children's minds anymore.

      1. proudgrampa

        Dok, I'm convinced that this kind of teacher doesn't exist anymore. For one thing, my 5th grade teacher would be too smart to even BE a teacher these days.

    2. prommie

      Actually, they are terms of art, and they act as a limitation on the "belief." They impose an objective, rather than a subjective, standard, meaning that its not enough that the shooter actually believe, it is required that they reasonably believe, which means that a reasonable person in the same situation would have that same belief. This negates the use of the defense by someone who is paranoid, drunk, or otherwise unreasonable.

      1. BerkeleyBear

        Ordinarily true, but "reasonable belief" has been interpreted subjectively in the context of "stand your ground". I'd like to see the standards of proof and reasonableness explicitly laid out, especially since we are supposed to require clarity in this sort of legislation.

      2. proudgrampa

        I think my point, more broadly, is that the average person is going to somehow get it into his head that it's OK to shoot a cop, based on this legislation or WHAT HE BELIEVES about the legislation.

        I just think it's a bad law that endangers law enforcement officers.

      3. BoatOfVelociraptors

        In CS terms it would be "predicate to be passed in at runtime".

        In other words, you have a binary conditional, meaning the result is Boolean. True or False. The terms of how you decide true or false are ambiguous. Not defined in the code, leaving it up to the judge, who defines the predicate post-hoc.

        Weasel words.

  32. BerkeleyBear

    Indiana has always, quietly, been a shoot anyone who tries to touch your shit state. I have no idea what this is modeled on (ALEC/NRA fap pages, I'm guessing) but this is seriously fucked up. The second and third clauses are actually worse than the first, though, because it leaves it up to some person's view of "reasonable necessity" as to whether to shoot to kill to end a traffic stop they think is unlawful. It is not clear to me that the "unlawful" nature of the trespass or criminal interference would have the be established conclusively or even objectively to use this defense, based on how the exceptions are phrased.

    "I hadn't done nothing wrong, and he pulled me over. I could tell from the way he was talking and acting that he intended to hurt me one way or the other. So I shot him, then backed over him with my car to stop his further interference with my vehicle."

    As per the n.b., only to be used by meth head rednecks. No minorities are eligible.

  33. Opportunisticly_Joe

    Well, OBVIOUSLY this law doesn't apply to black people.

    Much less obvious is the fact that if, some hypothetical liberal activists were, whilst lawfully gathering in public, to reasonably feel that their lives were threatened by a public servant acting in an unlawful manner to attack them with, say, tear gas canisters to shot at their heads, or military-grade chemical respiratory irritants, even if they were white, this law still wouldn't apply, because fuck you, hippies.

    1. sati_demise

      oh I dont know. Isn't the whole point of these 'shoot first' laws to sell more ammo?

  34. Steverino247

    What an interesting turn of events. Liberals like us are worried about police officers as human beings and the conservatives are worried about not making enough money on weapons and ammo sales…

  35. AddHomonym

    This only covers public sector workers. UPS and FedEx delivery people can still get all up in your shit. Not sure if that's a bug or a feature.

  36. GeneralLerong

    So, lemme see if I get this straight:

    It's now OK in Indiana to:
    1) preferentially imprison black people
    2) shoot black people who seem scary
    3) shoot the black cop who pulls you over for a ticket?

    Black Indianans: Alaska is waiting for you, please migrate here and kick some Republican white ass.

  37. Guppy

    I don't remember Wonkette posting a link to RT since they tried brainwashing Benincasa on air.

  38. Tundra Grifter

    Man, if this doesn't lock up the police union vote for (r)Money, I don't know what will.

    Indiana, of course, was the northern home for the KKK. There's a great book about how Notre Dame took on the Klan – since those folks hated Catholics as much as they hated the Blahs.

  39. Tundra Grifter

    So now the cops won't even think about giving the folks inside the home a chance?

    More Ruby Ridge – just sit up on the hill and gun 'em down when they step outside?

    This is like Israel attacking Iran to keep it from getting a nuke. Every other little tinpot nation would look around and say "Man! Got to get me one of those mutherfuckers now. Might really need it."

    1. glamourdammerung

      I am kind of expecting the cops to go in even more heavy handed and use this law as the excuse myself.

  40. Estproph

    Official republican policy: At the count of three, everyone shoot everyone. Ready…1…2…

  41. Wile E. Quixote

    So does this mean that I can go to Indiana and stalk and kill stand my ground against Mitch Daniels? I feel like he's unlawful forcing me by passing dumb laws.

    1. Wile E. Quixote

      Yes, and you get a $1,500 dollar check every year from the government for doing so.

  42. Wile E. Quixote

    From the RT article:

    Although critics have been quick to condemn the law for opening the door for assaults on police officers, supporters say that it is necessary to implement the ideals brought by America’s forefathers. Especially, argue some, since the Indiana Supreme Court almost eliminated the Fourth Amendment entirely last year. During the 2011 case of Barnes v. State of Indiana, the court ruled that a man who assaulted an officer dispatched to his house had broken the law before there was “no right to reasonably resist unlawful entry by police officers.” In turn, the National Rifle Association lobbied for an amendment to the Castle Doctrine to ensure that residents were protected from officers that abuse the law to grant themselves entry into private space.

    Hey, here's a wacky idea. Why not just shoot the entire Indiana Supreme Court? OK, that' is a wacky idea, here's another one, but this one is so totally insane that I will completely and utterly destroy whatever credibility I possess and lose all 100 of my hard earned Intense Debate points. Are you ready for it? It's completely fucking insane! Why don't we de-militarize the police and dismantle the police state that has grown up over the last 40 years by ending the "War on Drugs"? While we're at it we should institute rigorous psychological testing for people who want to become police officers to try and weed out some of the thugs, dipshits and petty authoritarians before they are given a badge and a gun and go fuck things up.

  43. JustPixelz

    The NRA and their cohorts promote laws like this as "gun rights". But that's incorrect. These are laws to expand killing rights; to establish more situations where it is legal to kill someone. For God's sake — and I mean that literally — why does anyone think that's a good thing?

    1. Generation[redacted]

      (checking) Yep, the Constitution says we have a right to keep and bear arms; it says nothing about using them.

  44. owhatever

    I'm driving over to that big Colorado fire today and tell those pussy firefighters who have been on the line for four days that we Republicans salute their efforts, but let them know in no uncertain terms that we are decertifying their union and they have to take pay cuts and give up their pensions, vacations and sick leave. Also their insurance rates are probably really going to go up because they choose to do such dangerous work. We must be Wisconsin strong.

  45. Wonderthing

    "I pledge allegiance to the gun and for the death it represents. Do not fuck with my gun ever, or my RIGHTS, which are many and unnamed until I think of them. If I kill you by mistake, that is my RIGHT and be sure you catch my good side on Court TV. I retain all RIGHTS to my fabulous story of my RIGHTS to kill anyone who messes with me as I am standing on my ground. Don't you move. Don't you dare move.With liberty and gun-ness for all. "

  46. elgin_pelican

    Fuck that shit, just write a law listing who you CAN'T shoot. Ted Nugent and Zombie Reagan and a few dozen more, tops.

  47. tessiee

    "A person is justified in using reasonable force against a public servant if the person reasonably believes the force is necessary"

    And exactly where is the part where a person is justified in using reasonable force against a no-good cheatin' man if the person reasonably catches him with another gal?

  48. tessiee

    I've been doing without a curtilage all along, and *now* I discover I was entitled to a curtilage.
    /Dale Gribble/
    Where is my curtilage, Hank?

  49. Generation[redacted]

    My favorite exception:

    (3) the person has entered into combat with the public servant or is the initial aggressor, unless the person withdraws from the encounter and communicates to the public servant the intent to do so and the public servant nevertheless continues

    Kinda like when we were kids and you'd say, "Time out!" and then "Time in!"

  50. tessiee

    Three mill–…
    A thous–…
    What the–…
    *sputters incoherently*
    Screw you, Lentil Cloud Boy!
    I'll just use good old Amurrkin know-how and good old Amurrkin enterpreneurial spirit, and
    FART INTO MY OWN DRIVER'S SEAT MYSELF!!

  51. IndianaKevin

    As the official spokesman for Indiana by virtue of my screen name, I'd like to note that a situation in which this law will be useful might go like this: Cop knocks on door (with battering ram). Resident answers with a polite (say) "Hello" (to my little friend). Cop summons his friends (backup). Resident summons his friends (got yer back, bro!)

    Hilarity ensues.

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