PRO CHOICE REPUBLICANS  9:57 am June 6, 2012

Silly Ladies, Let NRO Explain To You About This ‘Paycheck Fairness’ Nonsense

by Kris E. Benson

Women's workChins up, ladies! The National Review Online is trotting out Carrie Lukas, its Senior Women’s Correspondent, to tell you what to think. Who is Carrie Lukas, you might be wondering? Well, she is a regular National Review Online contributor (mostly about Lady issues) and the managing director and director of policy for the conservative but “non-partisan” Independent Women’s Forum. She also wrote a book, called The Politically Incorrect Guide to Women, Sex, and Feminism, which (among other things) includes information on “The impossible feminist dream of ‘having it all’: how women who put their careers first inevitably suffer in their personal and/or family lives” and “Why, even in the modern workplace, women still find paid work less fulfilling than other, more personal activities — especially marriage and motherhood.”

Indeed. Paid work like writing for the National Review Online definitely sounds less fulfilling than other, more personal activities. Regardless, she is now taking to the National Review Online to tell the ladies why their low paychecks are a sign of FREEDOM and LIBERTY and  something about the FREE MARKET. And also, to assure them that their paychecks AREN’T lower than men’s, but if they are, it’s for a good reason, so not to worry about it.

[The Paycheck Fairness Act] would have encouraged more class-action lawsuits and made workplaces less flexible and efficient by encouraging the adoption of one-size-fits-all compensation practices. Trial lawyers would have been the only real beneficiaries of the Paycheck Fairness Act’s new legal regime. Women who want more job opportunities and greater flexibility should welcome the bill’s defeat.

Even librul ladies love Choices, so why wouldn’t you want your employers to have Choices in terms of what they pay you and similarly qualified male candidates? Also, this bill would create “a new legal regime.” Do you really want a “new legal regime”? No. You do not. You know why? Because women don’t even earn less than men in the first place, DUH.

The Washington Post’s Fact Checker struck an important blow against the premise of those pushing bills like the Paycheck Fairness Act and the whole “War on Women” notion. Glenn Kessler explored the different data sets behind the endlessly repeated claim that women earn 77 cents for a man’s dollar and concluded:

This brings us to our larger point: Broad comparisons are inherently problematic. As the BLS points out: “Users should note that the comparisons of earnings in this report are on a broad level and do not control for many factors that may be significant in explaining earnings differences.”

So many factors! If the wage gap did exist — which it doesn’t, so don’t worry about it! — it might be from the stupid choices that women make. Or if it did, it would be OK, because it is already shrinking.

[Kessler] goes on to cite a survey prepared for the Labor Department that showed that once they controlled for other characteristics “much of the hourly wage gap dwindled, to about 5 cents on the dollar.”

Did he? He did not! He referred to a study by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, which in turn cited a study prepared by the Labor Department, and did not in fact conclude that the hourly wage gap dwindled to 5 cents an hour. Also, the “wage gap” is not the same as the “hourly wage gap”  since the “hourly wage gap” doesn’t take benefits, bonuses, or pensions into account. But whatever! Facts, schmact. You can use facts to prove anythign that’s even remotely true. And all that is MISSING THE POINT. The POINT, ladies, is that Carrie Lukas is telling you not to worry about it. Because it doesn’t EXIST, or if it does, it’s not that bad, and anyway, you should have married someone richer.

[The National Review Online]

 
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Barb June 6, 2012 at 9:59 am

They figure we can just get equal pay by working twice as many jobs.

actor212 June 6, 2012 at 10:18 am

That's uniquely Amercian

noodlesalad June 6, 2012 at 10:01 am

"One size fits all compensation" Ha! Everybody knows the womenfolk wear dresses and the men wear pants. And the ladies have those cutesy size 0s and everything. We need custom tailored stuff for our ladies, with less pay and more cleavage, ya hear?

AddHomonym June 6, 2012 at 10:39 am

Plus, I thought fits-alls only came in one size.

johnnyzhivago June 6, 2012 at 10:02 am

This is basically good advice for everyone in America who's upset about something. Just shut the fuck up and stop worrying about it.

mavenmaven June 6, 2012 at 10:03 am

"do not control for many factors that may be significant in explaining earnings differences."
…factors such as having two X chromosomes, breasts, and a vagina…

johnnyzhivago June 6, 2012 at 10:03 am

By the way, Carrie, could get me some coffee?

memzilla June 6, 2012 at 10:05 am

Hey, is that the Invisible Hand of the Free Market in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?

memzilla June 6, 2012 at 10:06 am

Once again, the Rethuglican talking point is how whatever it is the Democrats propose, actually means the exact opposite, which it never does, while the Rethuglican talking point actually does mean the exact opposite of what it purports.

It's a rabbit hole and a reality inverter.

Ruhe June 6, 2012 at 10:40 am

Brilliant synopsis. These rhetorical strategies that the Republicans make use of with such consistency are what really defines them as a group.

KotBR June 6, 2012 at 10:07 am

I suppose limiting or eliminating equality is what the wingnuts mean when the say 'Take our country back'

GeorgiaBurning June 6, 2012 at 10:25 am

Wingnuts won't be so happy if they see those signs pop up on the rez

Arken June 6, 2012 at 10:08 am

She's right. A small gap isn't a gap. If I'm getting on the subway and drop my keys in the small gap between the train and the platform, they magically reappear in my pocket!

Schmannnity June 6, 2012 at 10:09 am

Goebbels is impressed.

LouBristol June 6, 2012 at 10:17 am

If she was better looking, he'd have offered her a job.

BigSkullF*ckingDog June 6, 2012 at 10:09 am

"Why, even in the modern workplace, women still find paid work less fulfilling than other, more personal activities"

She's talking about masturbation.

chicken_thief June 6, 2012 at 10:24 am

Or steak and bj night for the hubby?

BerkeleyBear June 6, 2012 at 10:26 am

Because men consider masturbation part of paid work.

BigSkullF*ckingDog June 6, 2012 at 10:31 am

That must be why all the guys at my work take such long lunch breaks.

thatsitfortheother1 June 6, 2012 at 10:33 am

But you said you would never tell.

starfanglednut June 6, 2012 at 5:36 pm

And bring magazines into the bathroom.

chascates June 6, 2012 at 10:10 am

From last night's Marketplace show on NPR:
Christina Hoff Summers at the conservative American Enterprise Institute says Obama’s numbers don’t reflect discrimination, just men and women’s choices.

Christina Hoff Summers: What they study in college, professions they enter, number of hours they work per week. It’s different for men and women.

SorosBot June 6, 2012 at 10:27 am

And "What they study in college, professions they enter, number of hours they work per week" somehow does not reflect discrimination?

Generation[redacted] June 6, 2012 at 10:38 am

The women in Mad Men seem perfectly happy with the profession they've chosen.

deanbooth June 6, 2012 at 10:10 am

On a broad level, paid work is less fulfilling than watching porn.

RedneckMuslin June 6, 2012 at 10:13 am

Broad? I think they prefer to be called Dames.

actor212 June 6, 2012 at 10:18 am

Nah. Chicks

chicken_thief June 6, 2012 at 10:25 am

Bitches, for the hip urbanites.

Gunner Asch June 6, 2012 at 11:12 am

She was the roughest, toughest frail
But Minnie had a heart
As big as a whale

Pop_Socket June 6, 2012 at 11:17 am

Whatever happened to Wenches?

chascates June 6, 2012 at 10:17 am

In a just society I could get paid for watching porn.

actor212 June 6, 2012 at 10:20 am

It's not like we get paid to make it.

What?

mavenmaven June 6, 2012 at 10:24 am

According to Rush Limbaugh, isn't appearing in those films mandatory for all women?

OneYieldRegular June 6, 2012 at 10:14 am

“much of the hourly wage gap dwindled, to about 5 cents on the dollar.”

I can see why NRO is so unconcerned. I mean, who would stoop to accept a measly 5 percent pay raise during a recession?

chicken_thief June 6, 2012 at 10:26 am

Over a lifetime, yet. And considering that many increases are percentage based, one loses ground with every raise.

Generation[redacted] June 6, 2012 at 10:36 am

It affects social security benefits, too — not that a conservative would accept such a socialist hand-out in the first place.

actor212 June 6, 2012 at 10:15 am

Senior Women's Correspondent?

What? K-Lo's transgender?

LouBristol June 6, 2012 at 10:15 am

A pubic hair in every envelope.

actor212 June 6, 2012 at 10:16 am

Kris,

Does it matter if the gap is 23% or 5%? I mean, it's still a gap, right?

Now make me a sandwich. And rub my feet.

ifthethunderdontgetya June 6, 2012 at 10:16 am

Fact Chucker Glenn Kessler is a notorious blower of chunks.
~

actor212 June 6, 2012 at 10:19 am

OK, I know the Chunk from Goonies, but there are other Chunks to blow?

BigSkullF*ckingDog June 6, 2012 at 10:16 am

Why should I listen to Carrie Lukas? Obviously her opinion can't be trusted. I know this because she is only paid half of what her male coworkers are. She must be unqualified and therefore we should all ignore her.

Also: TOGTFO.

Mumbletypeg June 6, 2012 at 10:20 am

I remember the evening when, while ex-Mumbletycompanion & I played cards at another couple's house, husband of said couple insisted wage discrimination between sexes had never existed. I waited for his wife to dissent, but she chimed right in.
I was in such shock, all I could think of was anecdotal counter-argument — having been raised by a single mom — but pointing out for them historically documented evidence to the contrary, weakly recounted on my part, couldn't convince them.
It's the same couple who, on another occasion we played them in Scrabble, the doofus husband declared when I played my word**, that he'd never heard of it — so it wouldn't count (he & wifey didn't do the "Challenge" with the look-up-in-a-dictionary-to-settle-it rule).
Looking across a game table at an otherwise-normal-seeming pair of individuals, once a few drinks in, their denialist-polluted perspective manifesting itself, is nothing short of surreal. I'd expected to run across some such sentiment at rallies or protests here or there but not with cronies who'd shared time w/ Mumblety-Ex’, slogging their way through public school classroom instruction like bands of brothers.

Anyway — fuck you, Ms. Lukas; your credentials as conserva-tool seem near complete with this one.

** FWIW, the word I'd played was "Fey."

actor212 June 6, 2012 at 10:24 am

Should have asked him how much a stay-at-home mom deserves to be paid.

Oh, and checked the wife for fading bruises.

boobookitteh June 6, 2012 at 10:55 am

For real? They said it never existed? Because I have a public teacher salary scale from the mid 60's when my father started teaching that begs to differ. I forget the actual difference, but women were paid less and it was on paper.

I need to dig that sucker up and scan it in.

Gunner Asch June 6, 2012 at 11:15 am

Oh, well then. That was probably before Tina got famous.

James Michael Curley June 6, 2012 at 11:43 am

You know my brother?

CleverSobriquet June 6, 2012 at 11:55 am

You should have turned them into Newts. It seems like they were almost there so it wouldn't have required much manna

fuflans June 6, 2012 at 12:29 pm

i hope you stopped playing scrabble with them.

Mumbletypeg June 6, 2012 at 3:51 pm

Ineed, I vowed to ex' I could not play Scrabble with them again, ever!
Since then, I have been adopted into a warm, loving, mostly-likeminded outfit of Scrabble-enthusiast miscreants like myself — overcompetitive at times but only in the friendliest way. Generous with the wine, and sparing on the whine~

MittBorg June 7, 2012 at 1:13 am

Wonderful. You deserve better partners than some addled lout and his compliant serf.

HELisforHEL June 6, 2012 at 1:19 pm

I am amazed at the stupidity I encounter in what appear to be otherwise sensible human beings sometimes. Unless I'm in Florida visiting family, where I am amazed when I encounter someone with a functioning brain.
Hubby & I have really sealed off from people like the ones you describe. Then again, we're older and increasingly cranky, so it's easy to scare them off.

Mumbletypeg June 6, 2012 at 3:55 pm

amazed at the stupidity …//…visiting family

Exactly why this encounter took my breath away. I'd been raised in borderline-deep South and had broached wingnuttery-in-sheeps-clothing among classmates and co-workers.. The sheer stubbornness of this pair's denial was unprecedented. I was helpless in the face of it, and remorseful I couldn't cough up a better demonstration of the truth in a way that would get through to them.

starfanglednut June 6, 2012 at 5:42 pm

I went on a geology field trip with a bunch of kids in their 20's, and one of the guys said something about how a submarine should never have an all female crew because their periods would sync, and they'd all have pms at the same time, and then of course there'd be HUGE problems. I sat there with my mouth hanging open as his girlfriend agreed!

Estproph June 6, 2012 at 10:21 am

Any more FREEDOM and LIBERTY from the right, and slavery will come back.

BigSkullF*ckingDog June 6, 2012 at 10:21 am

When calculating our overall compensation, ladies also need to take into account the benefit we get every day that our male bosses and coworkers don't rape us or punch us in the gut. That's got to be worth something.

actor212 June 6, 2012 at 10:25 am

Plus, the meal benefit of letting them buy you dinner before porking you.

EatsBabyDingos June 6, 2012 at 10:23 am

Which skin flute does Carrie play in the Trans Vaginal Orchestra?

actor212 June 6, 2012 at 10:29 am

I am so naming my hipster-ironic classical music parody orchestra that.

thatsitfortheother1 June 6, 2012 at 10:37 am

It's a meat whistle. Swallowing the music is optional.

Goonemeritus June 6, 2012 at 10:23 am

"Women who want more job opportunities and greater flexibility should welcome the bill’s defeat. "

More opportunity to be paid less for the same work not to mention the flexibility to just STFU and like it.

BerkeleyBear June 6, 2012 at 10:31 am

These are the same assholes who just love that people with tens of thousands in debt have to spend multiple years at unpaid internships just to get low paid jobs in dying industries. Yaay, freedom to starve.

Mittens Howell, III June 6, 2012 at 10:24 am

Ladies, ladies. If Jesus had meant for you to leave the kitchen he'd never have invented aprons.

Biff June 6, 2012 at 10:32 am

Aprons are fairly effective at protecting the nips and vaj from bacon grease spatter.

HELisforHEL June 6, 2012 at 1:21 pm

Why don't women need to wear watches?

Because there's one on the stove.

SorosBot June 6, 2012 at 10:25 am

"women still find paid work less fulfilling than other, more personal activities — especially marriage and motherhood."

What about women who don't want babies and have no desire of being mothers, huh crazy woman-hating lady?

BigSkullF*ckingDog June 6, 2012 at 10:29 am

you mean witches and sexual deviants?

EatsBabyDingos June 6, 2012 at 10:25 am

Carrie's opinions are like the dead Danish cat turned into a helicopter: fascinating but stupidly wrong.

chascates June 6, 2012 at 10:30 am

Although the cat looked very realistic. I prefer either burial or cremation myself.

Generation[redacted] June 6, 2012 at 10:33 am

Also creepy to look at and not something I'd share in polite company.

prommie June 6, 2012 at 10:25 am

What is all this wonkishness? Where is the ass-fucking and invective?

actor212 June 6, 2012 at 10:29 am

This is not your typical mommyblog

prommie June 6, 2012 at 10:45 am

Its still not my beautiful Wonkette, either, grumble complain walker fuck shit fuck.

FakaktaSouth June 6, 2012 at 10:30 am

Are you being all screamy sexist? I understand you want this to be all ass-fucking all the time, but to get there, you gotta let the girls talk about their hopes and dreams some – even the terrible, why are you still fucking my shit up kind of conversations – to get to that point. whyyyyy won't you taaaaaalk to meeee? you know, like that. It sucks, that's why I fuck dudes.

prommie June 6, 2012 at 10:40 am

Really? Tell me more. Thats so interesting. What happened next? Damn, you were right, he is an asshole. I shoulda listened to you the first time.

actor212 June 6, 2012 at 10:44 am

Nds moar spacing.

prommie June 6, 2012 at 10:44 am

Shit, thats it, you just figured it out, this is why women earn 7,000% less than men, because they have to fucking feel shit all the time, and talk about it, and turn it into an emotional narrative, and it takes for-fucking-ever to close the deal. Whereas of course, men, business and pleasure its all the same, its like a gay bar, just all "lets fuck" and getting it over with.

Generation[redacted] June 6, 2012 at 1:01 pm

Gender snark gap!

x111e7thst June 6, 2012 at 10:28 am

If you give the women moneys they just spend them on slut pills and abortions. So it is better not to give them any.

Come here a minute June 6, 2012 at 10:28 am

Don't burden our job creators, is all we're saying.

weejee June 6, 2012 at 10:29 am

Needz a Jeannie Paycheck singin' ♪♫ Take this job and shove it ♫♪

Mittens Howell, III June 6, 2012 at 10:32 am

Carrie Lukas should be at home baking, or having babies, instead of selfishly taking a Republican man job.

Generation[redacted] June 6, 2012 at 10:32 am

Really, women. All this griping about not being paid as much as men. How is that going to get you a husband???

HELisforHEL June 6, 2012 at 1:23 pm

Mom?

Ruhe June 6, 2012 at 10:35 am

“Why, even in the modern workplace, women still find paid work less fulfilling than other, more personal activities — especially marriage and motherhood.”

Umm…speaking as a father of three. I'd agree that personal activities, including marriage, parenthood and an occasional round of golf, are all more fulfilling than my work. But I, as I would imagine is the case for most working people of either sex, work so that I can afford to do those other more rewarding and fulfilling things. The underlying assumption, that women can simply "choose" marriage and kids over work is preposterous. Your circumstances make the choice for you and if you want kids but aren't rich and you want to give them a good life you've got to work. So if my spouse were doing the same work I'm doing why shouldn't she expect to get paid the same? Where's the math? Oh, right. Math apparently doesn't "rule". Thanks Wisconsin.

Pseudonymously_Joe June 6, 2012 at 10:36 am

[The Paycheck Fairness Act] would have encouraged more class-action lawsuits and made workplaces less flexible and efficient by encouraging the adoption of one-size-fits-all compensation practices.

Equal pay for equal work, and seeking recompense for injury through the courts: America's greatest enemies.

CapeClod June 6, 2012 at 10:37 am

So the arguement is that this bill shouldn't pass because it would give women legal recourse to correct payment inequality and that would be bad.

Wait, what?

GeorgiaBurning June 6, 2012 at 10:38 am

Take heed of this, unfertilzed ova everywhere. Select the sperm with the Y chomosome, don't make a "poor choice"

thatsitfortheother1 June 6, 2012 at 10:41 am

OT. I still kinda wanna punch that grin off Scott Walkers pie hole.

Too soon?

Abernathy June 6, 2012 at 10:56 am

Too late!

thatsitfortheother1 June 6, 2012 at 11:41 am

lol

ChuckieJesus June 7, 2012 at 7:20 am

Get in line.

not that Radio June 6, 2012 at 10:50 am

Carrie Lukas should be neither seen nor heard.

Abernathy June 6, 2012 at 11:06 am

Silly women, complaining about stuff is for (rich, white, conservative) men. Stop trying to take that job away from them–they need the paychecks more than you do (see "rich" above). And they're better at it anyhow, using their superior upper body strength and spatial reasoning to invent things to feel threatened by, instead of confronting real problems.

anniegetyerfun June 6, 2012 at 11:09 am

It's women's own fault that they don't get paid as much, because of motherhood, which they should choose, because motherhood is good. Got it.

PubOption June 6, 2012 at 11:18 am

I thought that Phyllis Schafly would have to die before she could be reincarnated.

HELisforHEL June 6, 2012 at 1:25 pm

<Insert Nelson laugh here>

Pop_Socket June 6, 2012 at 11:26 am

Shorter Lukas: If you can't pay you less, we wouldn't have bothered hiring you.

tbogg June 6, 2012 at 11:57 am

Because I am a man, I don't have to listen to what Carrie Lukas' vagina says.

BarackMyWorld June 6, 2012 at 12:01 pm

"Math is hard!"

-Barbie

owhatever June 6, 2012 at 12:18 pm

Here's an idea: pay men and women the same wage for the same or similiar work. Sounds complicated, but it might settle the dispute.

HELisforHEL June 6, 2012 at 1:26 pm

That's some ridiculous Demon-crat Socialist Commie thinking ya got going on there.

fuflans June 6, 2012 at 12:33 pm

Why, even in the modern workplace, women still find paid work less fulfilling than other, more personal activities — especially marriage and motherhood.

i'm not seeking fulfillment you stupid cow. i'm seeking food and shelter.

Generation[redacted] June 6, 2012 at 1:02 pm

I hope she wasn't paid too much for writing that.

mcrummett June 6, 2012 at 1:10 pm

Nice to know the National Reconnaissance Office is keeping an eye on this issue.

Lionel[redacted]Esq June 6, 2012 at 2:08 pm

So, I assume Ms. Lukas is demanding that NRO reduce her pay, because it is what the market demands?

glamourdammerung June 6, 2012 at 5:36 pm

Working at the National Review would be a great experience if one had a goal of being prominent in white supremacist circles. It is practically a springboard for a gig over at VDARE.

starfanglednut June 6, 2012 at 5:47 pm

Saying the only winners would be trial lawyers is a transparent lie. Wouldn't the women who were compensated fairly also be winners?

extreme_left June 6, 2012 at 7:01 pm

Everybody knows Vajayjay's are caves and Bin laden hid in caves ipso facto they must have certain strictures and not having such will result in all manner of nasties being all up in there.

ttommyunger June 6, 2012 at 10:58 pm

NO TEETH, Godammit!

actor212 June 6, 2012 at 10:18 am

Even assuming their "anal-cyst" is accurate, it's still something they should be ashamed of deriding because a nickle an hour is *koffkoff* nothing to a family that has to work three jobs and scour the landscape for deposit bottles.

OneYieldRegular June 6, 2012 at 1:02 pm

You know, you look a little tense.

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