Women's workChins up, ladies! The National Review Online is trotting out Carrie Lukas, its Senior Women’s Correspondent, to tell you what to think. Who is Carrie Lukas, you might be wondering? Well, she is a regular National Review Online contributor (mostly about Lady issues) and the managing director and director of policy for the conservative but “non-partisan” Independent Women’s Forum. She also wrote a book, called The Politically Incorrect Guide to Women, Sex, and Feminism, which (among other things) includes information on “The impossible feminist dream of ‘having it all’: how women who put their careers first inevitably suffer in their personal and/or family lives” and “Why, even in the modern workplace, women still find paid work less fulfilling than other, more personal activities — especially marriage and motherhood.”

Indeed. Paid work like writing for the National Review Online definitely sounds less fulfilling than other, more personal activities. Regardless, she is now taking to the National Review Online to tell the ladies why their low paychecks are a sign of FREEDOM and LIBERTY and  something about the FREE MARKET. And also, to assure them that their paychecks AREN’T lower than men’s, but if they are, it’s for a good reason, so not to worry about it.

[The Paycheck Fairness Act] would have encouraged more class-action lawsuits and made workplaces less flexible and efficient by encouraging the adoption of one-size-fits-all compensation practices. Trial lawyers would have been the only real beneficiaries of the Paycheck Fairness Act’s new legal regime. Women who want more job opportunities and greater flexibility should welcome the bill’s defeat.

Even librul ladies love Choices, so why wouldn’t you want your employers to have Choices in terms of what they pay you and similarly qualified male candidates? Also, this bill would create “a new legal regime.” Do you really want a “new legal regime”? No. You do not. You know why? Because women don’t even earn less than men in the first place, DUH.

The Washington Post’s Fact Checker struck an important blow against the premise of those pushing bills like the Paycheck Fairness Act and the whole “War on Women” notion. Glenn Kessler explored the different data sets behind the endlessly repeated claim that women earn 77 cents for a man’s dollar and concluded:

This brings us to our larger point: Broad comparisons are inherently problematic. As the BLS points out: “Users should note that the comparisons of earnings in this report are on a broad level and do not control for many factors that may be significant in explaining earnings differences.”

So many factors! If the wage gap did exist — which it doesn’t, so don’t worry about it! — it might be from the stupid choices that women make. Or if it did, it would be OK, because it is already shrinking.

[Kessler] goes on to cite a survey prepared for the Labor Department that showed that once they controlled for other characteristics “much of the hourly wage gap dwindled, to about 5 cents on the dollar.”

Did he? He did not! He referred to a study by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, which in turn cited a study prepared by the Labor Department, and did not in fact conclude that the hourly wage gap dwindled to 5 cents an hour. Also, the “wage gap” is not the same as the “hourly wage gap”  since the “hourly wage gap” doesn’t take benefits, bonuses, or pensions into account. But whatever! Facts, schmact. You can use facts to prove anythign that’s even remotely true. And all that is MISSING THE POINT. The POINT, ladies, is that Carrie Lukas is telling you not to worry about it. Because it doesn’t EXIST, or if it does, it’s not that bad, and anyway, you should have married someone richer.

[The National Review Online]

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  • Barb

    They figure we can just get equal pay by working twice as many jobs.

  • noodlesalad

    "One size fits all compensation" Ha! Everybody knows the womenfolk wear dresses and the men wear pants. And the ladies have those cutesy size 0s and everything. We need custom tailored stuff for our ladies, with less pay and more cleavage, ya hear?

    • AddHomonym

      Plus, I thought fits-alls only came in one size.

  • This is basically good advice for everyone in America who's upset about something. Just shut the fuck up and stop worrying about it.

  • mavenmaven

    "do not control for many factors that may be significant in explaining earnings differences."
    …factors such as having two X chromosomes, breasts, and a vagina…

  • By the way, Carrie, could get me some coffee?

  • memzilla

    Hey, is that the Invisible Hand of the Free Market in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?

  • memzilla

    Once again, the Rethuglican talking point is how whatever it is the Democrats propose, actually means the exact opposite, which it never does, while the Rethuglican talking point actually does mean the exact opposite of what it purports.

    It's a rabbit hole and a reality inverter.

    • Ruhe

      Brilliant synopsis. These rhetorical strategies that the Republicans make use of with such consistency are what really defines them as a group.

  • KotBR

    I suppose limiting or eliminating equality is what the wingnuts mean when the say 'Take our country back'

    • GeorgiaBurning

      Wingnuts won't be so happy if they see those signs pop up on the rez

  • Arken

    She's right. A small gap isn't a gap. If I'm getting on the subway and drop my keys in the small gap between the train and the platform, they magically reappear in my pocket!

  • Schmannnity

    Goebbels is impressed.

    • LouBristol

      If she was better looking, he'd have offered her a job.

  • BigSkullF*ckingDog

    "Why, even in the modern workplace, women still find paid work less fulfilling than other, more personal activities"

    She's talking about masturbation.

    • chicken_thief

      Or steak and bj night for the hubby?

    • BerkeleyBear

      Because men consider masturbation part of paid work.

      • BigSkullF*ckingDog

        That must be why all the guys at my work take such long lunch breaks.

        • thatsitfortheother1

          But you said you would never tell.

        • And bring magazines into the bathroom.

  • chascates

    From last night's Marketplace show on NPR:
    Christina Hoff Summers at the conservative American Enterprise Institute says Obama’s numbers don’t reflect discrimination, just men and women’s choices.

    Christina Hoff Summers: What they study in college, professions they enter, number of hours they work per week. It’s different for men and women.

    • SorosBot

      And "What they study in college, professions they enter, number of hours they work per week" somehow does not reflect discrimination?

      • Generation[redacted]

        The women in Mad Men seem perfectly happy with the profession they've chosen.

  • On a broad level, paid work is less fulfilling than watching porn.

    • RedneckMuslin

      Broad? I think they prefer to be called Dames.

      • Nah. Chicks

        • chicken_thief

          Bitches, for the hip urbanites.

      • She was the roughest, toughest frail
        But Minnie had a heart
        As big as a whale

      • Whatever happened to Wenches?

    • chascates

      In a just society I could get paid for watching porn.

      • It's not like we get paid to make it.


    • mavenmaven

      According to Rush Limbaugh, isn't appearing in those films mandatory for all women?

  • OneYieldRegular

    “much of the hourly wage gap dwindled, to about 5 cents on the dollar.”

    I can see why NRO is so unconcerned. I mean, who would stoop to accept a measly 5 percent pay raise during a recession?

    • chicken_thief

      Over a lifetime, yet. And considering that many increases are percentage based, one loses ground with every raise.

      • Generation[redacted]

        It affects social security benefits, too — not that a conservative would accept such a socialist hand-out in the first place.

  • Senior Women's Correspondent?

    What? K-Lo's transgender?

  • LouBristol

    A pubic hair in every envelope.

  • Kris,

    Does it matter if the gap is 23% or 5%? I mean, it's still a gap, right?

    Now make me a sandwich. And rub my feet.

  • Fact Chucker Glenn Kessler is a notorious blower of chunks.

    • OK, I know the Chunk from Goonies, but there are other Chunks to blow?

  • BigSkullF*ckingDog

    Why should I listen to Carrie Lukas? Obviously her opinion can't be trusted. I know this because she is only paid half of what her male coworkers are. She must be unqualified and therefore we should all ignore her.

    Also: TOGTFO.

  • I remember the evening when, while ex-Mumbletycompanion & I played cards at another couple's house, husband of said couple insisted wage discrimination between sexes had never existed. I waited for his wife to dissent, but she chimed right in.
    I was in such shock, all I could think of was anecdotal counter-argument — having been raised by a single mom — but pointing out for them historically documented evidence to the contrary, weakly recounted on my part, couldn't convince them.
    It's the same couple who, on another occasion we played them in Scrabble, the doofus husband declared when I played my word**, that he'd never heard of it — so it wouldn't count (he & wifey didn't do the "Challenge" with the look-up-in-a-dictionary-to-settle-it rule).
    Looking across a game table at an otherwise-normal-seeming pair of individuals, once a few drinks in, their denialist-polluted perspective manifesting itself, is nothing short of surreal. I'd expected to run across some such sentiment at rallies or protests here or there but not with cronies who'd shared time w/ Mumblety-Ex’, slogging their way through public school classroom instruction like bands of brothers.

    Anyway — fuck you, Ms. Lukas; your credentials as conserva-tool seem near complete with this one.

    ** FWIW, the word I'd played was "Fey."

    • Should have asked him how much a stay-at-home mom deserves to be paid.

      Oh, and checked the wife for fading bruises.

    • boobookitteh

      For real? They said it never existed? Because I have a public teacher salary scale from the mid 60's when my father started teaching that begs to differ. I forget the actual difference, but women were paid less and it was on paper.

      I need to dig that sucker up and scan it in.

    • Oh, well then. That was probably before Tina got famous.

    • James Michael Curley

      You know my brother?

    • CleverSobriquet

      You should have turned them into Newts. It seems like they were almost there so it wouldn't have required much manna

    • i hope you stopped playing scrabble with them.

      • Ineed, I vowed to ex' I could not play Scrabble with them again, ever!
        Since then, I have been adopted into a warm, loving, mostly-likeminded outfit of Scrabble-enthusiast miscreants like myself — overcompetitive at times but only in the friendliest way. Generous with the wine, and sparing on the whine~

        • Wonderful. You deserve better partners than some addled lout and his compliant serf.

    • HELisforHEL

      I am amazed at the stupidity I encounter in what appear to be otherwise sensible human beings sometimes. Unless I'm in Florida visiting family, where I am amazed when I encounter someone with a functioning brain.
      Hubby & I have really sealed off from people like the ones you describe. Then again, we're older and increasingly cranky, so it's easy to scare them off.

      • amazed at the stupidity …//…visiting family

        Exactly why this encounter took my breath away. I'd been raised in borderline-deep South and had broached wingnuttery-in-sheeps-clothing among classmates and co-workers.. The sheer stubbornness of this pair's denial was unprecedented. I was helpless in the face of it, and remorseful I couldn't cough up a better demonstration of the truth in a way that would get through to them.

    • I went on a geology field trip with a bunch of kids in their 20's, and one of the guys said something about how a submarine should never have an all female crew because their periods would sync, and they'd all have pms at the same time, and then of course there'd be HUGE problems. I sat there with my mouth hanging open as his girlfriend agreed!

  • Estproph

    Any more FREEDOM and LIBERTY from the right, and slavery will come back.

  • BigSkullF*ckingDog

    When calculating our overall compensation, ladies also need to take into account the benefit we get every day that our male bosses and coworkers don't rape us or punch us in the gut. That's got to be worth something.

    • Plus, the meal benefit of letting them buy you dinner before porking you.

  • EatsBabyDingos

    Which skin flute does Carrie play in the Trans Vaginal Orchestra?

    • I am so naming my hipster-ironic classical music parody orchestra that.

    • thatsitfortheother1

      It's a meat whistle. Swallowing the music is optional.

  • Goonemeritus

    "Women who want more job opportunities and greater flexibility should welcome the bill’s defeat. "

    More opportunity to be paid less for the same work not to mention the flexibility to just STFU and like it.

    • BerkeleyBear

      These are the same assholes who just love that people with tens of thousands in debt have to spend multiple years at unpaid internships just to get low paid jobs in dying industries. Yaay, freedom to starve.

  • Mittens Howell, III

    Ladies, ladies. If Jesus had meant for you to leave the kitchen he'd never have invented aprons.

    • Biff

      Aprons are fairly effective at protecting the nips and vaj from bacon grease spatter.

    • HELisforHEL

      Why don't women need to wear watches?

      Because there's one on the stove.

  • SorosBot

    "women still find paid work less fulfilling than other, more personal activities — especially marriage and motherhood."

    What about women who don't want babies and have no desire of being mothers, huh crazy woman-hating lady?

    • BigSkullF*ckingDog

      you mean witches and sexual deviants?

  • EatsBabyDingos

    Carrie's opinions are like the dead Danish cat turned into a helicopter: fascinating but stupidly wrong.

    • chascates

      Although the cat looked very realistic. I prefer either burial or cremation myself.

    • Generation[redacted]

      Also creepy to look at and not something I'd share in polite company.

  • prommie

    What is all this wonkishness? Where is the ass-fucking and invective?

    • This is not your typical mommyblog

      • prommie

        Its still not my beautiful Wonkette, either, grumble complain walker fuck shit fuck.

    • FakaktaSouth

      Are you being all screamy sexist? I understand you want this to be all ass-fucking all the time, but to get there, you gotta let the girls talk about their hopes and dreams some – even the terrible, why are you still fucking my shit up kind of conversations – to get to that point. whyyyyy won't you taaaaaalk to meeee? you know, like that. It sucks, that's why I fuck dudes.

      • prommie

        Really? Tell me more. Thats so interesting. What happened next? Damn, you were right, he is an asshole. I shoulda listened to you the first time.

      • prommie

        Shit, thats it, you just figured it out, this is why women earn 7,000% less than men, because they have to fucking feel shit all the time, and talk about it, and turn it into an emotional narrative, and it takes for-fucking-ever to close the deal. Whereas of course, men, business and pleasure its all the same, its like a gay bar, just all "lets fuck" and getting it over with.

    • Generation[redacted]

      Gender snark gap!

  • x111e7thst

    If you give the women moneys they just spend them on slut pills and abortions. So it is better not to give them any.

  • Come here a minute

    Don't burden our job creators, is all we're saying.

  • Needz a Jeannie Paycheck singin' ♪♫ Take this job and shove it ♫♪

  • Mittens Howell, III

    Carrie Lukas should be at home baking, or having babies, instead of selfishly taking a Republican man job.

  • Generation[redacted]

    Really, women. All this griping about not being paid as much as men. How is that going to get you a husband???

    • HELisforHEL


  • Ruhe

    “Why, even in the modern workplace, women still find paid work less fulfilling than other, more personal activities — especially marriage and motherhood.”

    Umm…speaking as a father of three. I'd agree that personal activities, including marriage, parenthood and an occasional round of golf, are all more fulfilling than my work. But I, as I would imagine is the case for most working people of either sex, work so that I can afford to do those other more rewarding and fulfilling things. The underlying assumption, that women can simply "choose" marriage and kids over work is preposterous. Your circumstances make the choice for you and if you want kids but aren't rich and you want to give them a good life you've got to work. So if my spouse were doing the same work I'm doing why shouldn't she expect to get paid the same? Where's the math? Oh, right. Math apparently doesn't "rule". Thanks Wisconsin.

  • [The Paycheck Fairness Act] would have encouraged more class-action lawsuits and made workplaces less flexible and efficient by encouraging the adoption of one-size-fits-all compensation practices.

    Equal pay for equal work, and seeking recompense for injury through the courts: America's greatest enemies.

  • CapeClod

    So the arguement is that this bill shouldn't pass because it would give women legal recourse to correct payment inequality and that would be bad.

    Wait, what?

  • GeorgiaBurning

    Take heed of this, unfertilzed ova everywhere. Select the sperm with the Y chomosome, don't make a "poor choice"

  • thatsitfortheother1

    OT. I still kinda wanna punch that grin off Scott Walkers pie hole.

    Too soon?

    • Abernathy

      Too late!

      • thatsitfortheother1


    • ChuckieJesus

      Get in line.

  • not that Radio

    Carrie Lukas should be neither seen nor heard.

  • Abernathy

    Silly women, complaining about stuff is for (rich, white, conservative) men. Stop trying to take that job away from them–they need the paychecks more than you do (see "rich" above). And they're better at it anyhow, using their superior upper body strength and spatial reasoning to invent things to feel threatened by, instead of confronting real problems.

  • anniegetyerfun

    It's women's own fault that they don't get paid as much, because of motherhood, which they should choose, because motherhood is good. Got it.

  • PubOption

    I thought that Phyllis Schafly would have to die before she could be reincarnated.

    • HELisforHEL

      <Insert Nelson laugh here>

  • Shorter Lukas: If you can't pay you less, we wouldn't have bothered hiring you.

  • tbogg

    Because I am a man, I don't have to listen to what Carrie Lukas' vagina says.

  • BarackMyWorld

    "Math is hard!"


  • owhatever

    Here's an idea: pay men and women the same wage for the same or similiar work. Sounds complicated, but it might settle the dispute.

    • HELisforHEL

      That's some ridiculous Demon-crat Socialist Commie thinking ya got going on there.

  • Why, even in the modern workplace, women still find paid work less fulfilling than other, more personal activities — especially marriage and motherhood.

    i'm not seeking fulfillment you stupid cow. i'm seeking food and shelter.

  • Generation[redacted]

    I hope she wasn't paid too much for writing that.

  • mcrummett

    Nice to know the National Reconnaissance Office is keeping an eye on this issue.

  • Lionel[redacted]Esq

    So, I assume Ms. Lukas is demanding that NRO reduce her pay, because it is what the market demands?

  • glamourdammerung

    Working at the National Review would be a great experience if one had a goal of being prominent in white supremacist circles. It is practically a springboard for a gig over at VDARE.

  • Saying the only winners would be trial lawyers is a transparent lie. Wouldn't the women who were compensated fairly also be winners?

  • extreme_left

    Everybody knows Vajayjay's are caves and Bin laden hid in caves ipso facto they must have certain strictures and not having such will result in all manner of nasties being all up in there.

  • ttommyunger

    NO TEETH, Godammit!

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