WHAT IS 'LEGAL'?  12:03 pm May 23, 2012

Gallup: Record High Number Of Pro-Life Americans Want To Kill Your Children

by Rebecca Schoenkopf

Wonkette's babyFun news for chart nerds! Gallup has once again released its annual poll illustrating how much Americans hate abortion by saying it should be legal in all or certain cases. That’s right, “pro-choicers” are at a “record low” of only 41 percent of respondents who want to kill children. Except for the 77 percent of respondents who think abortion should be legal! Fuck man, math is hard.

Shine on you crazy diamonds!

[Gallup]

 

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Barb May 23, 2012 at 12:05 pm

Who is the father of the Wonkette baby?

nounverb911 May 23, 2012 at 12:06 pm

Breitbart?

Mumbly_Libel May 23, 2012 at 12:08 pm

Hitler!

actor212 May 23, 2012 at 12:08 pm

*packing bag*

prommie May 23, 2012 at 12:11 pm

Don't look at me, I got fixed years ago.

actor212 May 23, 2012 at 12:12 pm

We can do that????

V572 Is this him? May 23, 2012 at 12:13 pm

Daddy K Smith, whomever he may have been.

BaldarTFlagass May 23, 2012 at 12:18 pm

From the pic, I would guess Science Officer Ash of the Nostromo.

bagofmice May 23, 2012 at 4:59 pm

Nah, looks more like someone from the USG Ishimura.

CountryClubJihadi May 23, 2012 at 12:20 pm

Arnold Schwarzenegger?

BaldarTFlagass May 23, 2012 at 12:22 pm

Probably some random homeless guy with PTSD.

Geminisunmars May 23, 2012 at 12:27 pm

Jean-Jacques Rousseau?

chicken_thief May 23, 2012 at 12:34 pm

I thought Babs Bush dropped the jar….

Terry May 23, 2012 at 12:37 pm

Frankenstein, from looks of the poor thing.

tessiee May 23, 2012 at 12:50 pm

Levi?

An_Outhouse May 23, 2012 at 12:54 pm

The Island of Misfit Toys Resident Retard?

Steverino247 May 23, 2012 at 12:57 pm

You are NOT the father!

MissTaken May 23, 2012 at 1:05 pm

Darth Vader?

Jus_Wonderin May 23, 2012 at 1:15 pm

Wasn't the Wonkette baby raised by wolves? Of course, that doesn't address your question.

JustPixelz May 23, 2012 at 1:21 pm

Wonkette baby has two mommies: Rebecca and Kirsten.

Lionel[redacted]Esq May 23, 2012 at 1:28 pm

Jesus?

redarmyzombie May 23, 2012 at 6:17 pm

All of them, Katie.

V572 Is this him? May 23, 2012 at 12:07 pm

"Pro-Life" is such a bullshit term. Why do all the media which refuse to call waterboarding "torture" sign on to this euphemism for reproductive totalitarianism?

Or if that's too many syllables, "Anti-Choice." Or "Anti-Women." Or "Anti-Freedom."

Chichikovovich May 23, 2012 at 12:10 pm

I prefer "Forced Birth" myself.

Mumbly_Libel May 23, 2012 at 12:11 pm

I have a friend who insists on using pejorative terms for both sides of any contentious political debate, so abortion becomes a debate between pro-death and pro-slavery camps.

tessiee May 23, 2012 at 12:51 pm

You gotta like a person that cynical.

bagofmice May 23, 2012 at 5:03 pm

Pro-rapist? Without abortion, rapist genes will spread wide and far.

Boojum May 23, 2012 at 12:31 pm

I like "Fucking Fuck", but it hasn't caught on.

freakishlywrong May 23, 2012 at 12:43 pm

Really, who isn't "Pro Life"?

tessiee May 23, 2012 at 12:56 pm

I agree — but also, who isn't "pro choice"?
Ask one of the forced birthers if they think the government should also tell you when you HAVE TO have an abortion — you know, like they do in those commie countries like China — and they'd be horrified, and rightly so. Also, the expression on their face will have enough surprise in it that it's clear that such an idea has never before occurred to them. They don't want the government forcing them to do anything *they* don't want to do, either.

starfanglednut May 23, 2012 at 8:44 pm

Yes, but they love having it force OTHER people to do what they don't want to.

OneDollarJuana May 23, 2012 at 2:11 pm

A lot of people seem to like "ProActiv".

tessiee May 23, 2012 at 12:53 pm

'the media which refuse to call waterboarding "torture""

In one of those many things that I picked up somewhere, and don't remember where, somebody's co-worker was anticipating a vacation to ?? Cancun or somewhere, "Nice. Lie on the beach, get some sun, maybe try a little… *mimes as if surfing* waterboarding while you're there, huh?"

An_Outhouse May 23, 2012 at 12:55 pm

Anti-PeePee in the HooHa

Gunner Asch May 23, 2012 at 12:59 pm

Not the smoothest haiku around but I like it

finallyhappy May 23, 2012 at 1:39 pm

It is bullshit because these liars don't care about your baby once it is born- especially if you are minority, poor or the baby has health problems. Now maybe if it is a white blond haired baby-you might get some help in putting it up for adoption(but not to gay people)

James Michael Curley May 23, 2012 at 4:24 pm

Buckley in his usual, now dead, brazen pretense did an article in the late 70's about how clever the term was. It got the high ground of the discourse so that any opposition to those seeking to bar all abortions were 'anti-life'. Simplistic, yet logistically sound argument.

PuckStopsHere May 23, 2012 at 12:08 pm

Are you in favor of not letting insurance companies deny you coverage due to a pre-existing condition? Yes.

Are you in favor of permitting your children to remain on your health care plan until they are 26? Yes.

Are you in favor of Obamacare? Hell, no! Get the gubbmits hands off my Medicare!

nounverb911 May 23, 2012 at 12:13 pm

Isn't being born a pre-existing condition?

actor212 May 23, 2012 at 12:19 pm

Doctor: "We're all born dying, so I'm afraid the insurance company has decided this is a pre-existing condition."

tessiee May 23, 2012 at 12:59 pm

"So what part are you *not* in favor of?"
"The 'Obama' part."

actor212 May 23, 2012 at 12:08 pm

It's not impossible to be "pro-life" but not give a rat's ass if someone else has an abortion.

After all, I'm not gay¹ but I support gay marriage

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¹#notintendedasafactualstatement,necessarilyQUITJUDGINGME

Redgyal May 23, 2012 at 12:40 pm

But it is seemingly impossible to understand that if you ban it for everyone, you cease to have that dichotomy.

tessiee May 23, 2012 at 1:03 pm

Kang and Kodos: Abortions for all!
Crowd: BOOOOO!
Kang and Kodos: Very well, abortions for nobody!
Crowd: BOOOOO!!
Kang and Kodos: Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!
Crowd: YAAAYYY!!

It was a very funny and clever bit of dialogue, but unusually for the Simpsons, it was a near miss — since the forced birthers would have booed the last sentence, too. They can't just make the choice that *they* want and leave it at that, they have to try to take the choice away from everyone else.

PsycWench May 23, 2012 at 12:49 pm

Indeed. As many regulars may have heard many times before: I have a kid with Down syndrome and I knew it before he was born. I chose to have him. I WILL NOT force another woman to do what I chose to do. I have the hardest time getting people to understand that.

JustPixelz May 23, 2012 at 1:25 pm

You give real meaning to "pro-choice".

Boojum May 23, 2012 at 5:24 pm

You aren't a Real American.

ChilLysol May 23, 2012 at 12:08 pm

This is good news for coat hanger manufacturers…in China.

nounverb911 May 23, 2012 at 12:17 pm

Some of Mitts best friends manufacture wire hangers in China.

actor212 May 23, 2012 at 12:20 pm

Some of Mitts best friends manufacture are wire hangers in China.

FTFY

boobookitteh May 23, 2012 at 12:23 pm

I haven't seen a wire hanger in years. Weren't they all outlawed under the Crawford Act?

actor212 May 23, 2012 at 12:25 pm

I get them regularly from my dry cleaner, who is from the best Korea.

So I have to assume they're manufactured from lead.

boobookitteh May 23, 2012 at 12:41 pm

Lead poisoning can cause miscarriage. So, bonus.

KotBR May 23, 2012 at 12:54 pm

And gilded with mercury.

James Michael Curley May 23, 2012 at 4:29 pm

Largest coat hanger manufacturer in the world used to be in Hackensack, NJ. Was a client. I blame Cristie Todd Whitman for the jobs being shipped off to china.

prommie May 23, 2012 at 12:09 pm

Now you know that human babies are actually born way to early, on account of their huge skulls would kill the moms if they developed much longer. But thats why baby horses, for example, basically "hit the ground running," while human babies are fucking helpless, they really should be allowed to ripen for a few more months. So what I am saying is that humans are kinda like kangaroos, and even outside the body, babies are still in a gestational stage. Therefore, I am in favor of post-birth abortions, but only up to a point.

calliecallie May 23, 2012 at 12:17 pm

Depends on the baby.

Twinklesnot May 23, 2012 at 6:59 pm

Depends on the oldster, Pampers on the baby.

BaldarTFlagass May 23, 2012 at 12:19 pm

Maybe we should have the ladies evolve a pouch, like a marsupial.

Jus_Wonderin May 23, 2012 at 12:23 pm

And a zipper.

actor212 May 23, 2012 at 12:24 pm

They are called PURSES, dammit!

Terry May 23, 2012 at 12:38 pm

Sort of like breast feeding a kid until he's 7 yrs old?

actor212 May 23, 2012 at 3:03 pm

Be right over!

starfanglednut May 23, 2012 at 8:49 pm

I love you, actor.

An_Outhouse May 23, 2012 at 12:56 pm

As of today, they're blaming obesity on cesarian section deliveries.

tessiee May 23, 2012 at 1:06 pm

??
In the babies or the mothers?
Also, possible stupid question from a childfree person here, but I thought the point of caesarians in the first place was for babbies that were so big that they were having difficulty being born the regular way.

MosesInvests May 23, 2012 at 1:27 pm

Well, that and breech deliveries (feet first-baby simply cannot come out of the vajayjay any way except head first).

actor212 May 23, 2012 at 3:04 pm

The study I read today is that obese mothers tend to raise obese kids and there's a correlation with c-sections and obesity.

James Michael Curley May 23, 2012 at 4:35 pm

"No man born of woman shall harm Macbeth."
I have the notorious Aetna as a health insurance provider. They found it necessary to issue a 'policy information' letter a few years ago which stated they would not pay for liposuction as a procedure performed with c-sections. I can not believe somebody, mothers and doctors, actually considered this idea valid and medically safe.

Gunner Asch May 23, 2012 at 1:23 pm

So we can still abort Alan West, then.

gurukalehuru May 23, 2012 at 5:30 pm

Old joke here:
Q: At what age does a fetus become viable in the Jewish religion?
A: When he graduates from Medical School.

veritass May 23, 2012 at 12:10 pm

Brought to you by the creators of Scott Walker Unemployment Math™.

nounverb911 May 23, 2012 at 12:11 pm

The Koch Brothers?

FlownOver May 23, 2012 at 1:23 pm

And the entire population of the State of North Carolina – Motto " We don' need no steenkin' polls!"

Designer_Rants May 23, 2012 at 2:08 pm

I seem to remember 'The Neckbeard" Douthat trotting out this very same "math" during the whole Komen Implosion. The commenters slaughtered his "argument", but he still has some jerb with NYT making insane money for writing insane things.

SorosBot May 23, 2012 at 12:11 pm

Americans are unsure of what policy a misleading label refers to? My, how shocking!

Doktor StrangeZoom May 23, 2012 at 1:25 pm

Zillionaires' children who are largely free from the Death Tax would like to thank Frank Luntz at this point in time.

edgydrifter May 23, 2012 at 12:12 pm

Abortion is always immoral and wrong… unless, you know, some boy in a hoodie tarnishes my precious angel. Let's be reasonable.

chicken_thief May 23, 2012 at 12:38 pm

I thought "boy", when referring to those in hoodies, was to be in all CAPS.

johnnyzhivago May 23, 2012 at 12:13 pm

Geez, I read the headline and thought "what did my kids do now???"

Oblios_Cap May 23, 2012 at 12:13 pm

I like people whose well thought out philosophy aloows them to be both anti-abortion and pro-death penalty. Because, life is sacred!

Chichikovovich May 23, 2012 at 12:20 pm

Yep. As they'll happily remind you, there's an inalienable right to life, just like it says there in the Declaration of Inderpendernce.

Mumbly_Libel May 23, 2012 at 12:31 pm

Not to mention pro-torture and pro-blowing people up because the government secretly decided they were guilty without trial or maybe they just happened to be that guy's next-door neighbors or children.

Baconzgood May 23, 2012 at 12:14 pm

This is bad news for the coat hanger industry.

prommie May 23, 2012 at 12:14 pm

So many polls wind up measuring what Wittgenstein called "nonsense." Which is just so odd to me. You cannot make sense of nonsense.

Blueb4sunrise May 23, 2012 at 12:19 pm

Nuh uh!! Because GAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.

Jus_Wonderin May 23, 2012 at 12:14 pm

Those charts have a pretty color scheme.

prommie May 23, 2012 at 12:16 pm

Still not fapworthy.

Jus_Wonderin May 23, 2012 at 12:25 pm

So true. Maybe more of a flesh tone would have been better.

actor212 May 23, 2012 at 12:27 pm

But look at the bottom pair of curves in the second graph! They're having sex!

MissTaken May 23, 2012 at 12:15 pm

Translation: I'm "pro-life" until life becomes inconvenient for me.

SheriffRoscoe May 23, 2012 at 12:39 pm

Like farting in elevators. I'm totally against it! Unless, the car is empty, and I'm the one that needs to let one go.

JustPixelz May 23, 2012 at 1:27 pm

Repubicans love life when it's in the womb, but after that child takes a breath they're all "you're on your own kid".

WhatTheHolyHeck May 23, 2012 at 5:13 pm

Well, to be fair, fetuses haven't yet developed bootstraps.

Callyson May 23, 2012 at 12:15 pm

It is really time for supporters of the pro – choice movement to start pounding away at the utter immorality of the so – called pro – lifers. From their lack of concern about the babies once they are actually born, to their willingness to support invasive government measures every step along the way of a woman's pregnancy, to the presence of bombers and terrorists in their midst, it is high fucking time they were called on their lack of humanity. Contrary to the impression that the mushy middle seems to have, the anti abortion crowd does *not* have the moral high ground…and it is high time to make that crystal clear…

Boojum May 23, 2012 at 12:36 pm

I think we need to refuse to cede the high ground on abortion. The moral choice is not to have a child who is unwanted or for whom you cannot adequately provide. Full stop.

actor212 May 23, 2012 at 12:36 pm

We should call ourselves "pro-family" and point out that it's government intrusion into the most sensitive and private decision parents can make

tessiee May 23, 2012 at 1:14 pm

Nice idea, but the other side has already co-opted the word "family".
Ever wonder how single mothers, i.e., mothers and children, can possibly be "anti-family"? Simple; they've redefined "family" to mean "father".

actor212 May 23, 2012 at 3:04 pm

That's the diabolic part of this plan

Boojum May 23, 2012 at 5:26 pm

Because we do the really hard work, with our penises.

tessiee May 23, 2012 at 1:18 pm

Let's not leave out the really ugly strain of sex-loathing and misogyny in the anti-choice movement.
Remember that troll who posted here complaining about stupid people pooping babies left and right that they couldn't care for?
I asked him exactly how much he'd donated to Planned Parenthood and NARAL, and his answer was something like, "Exactly Zero. Let them pay for their own fun".

nounverb911 May 23, 2012 at 12:15 pm

But being an underage, un-married mother can get you a reality show on the sno-billy grifter channel.

Chichikovovich May 23, 2012 at 12:17 pm

I'm not sure how much we can judge from this, since I suspect that the "certain circumstances" that at least 5% of the respondents had in mind was "If performing an abortion were the only way to get information from a terrorist about a ticking time bomb…."

not that Radio May 23, 2012 at 12:22 pm

I am trying to imaging a flow chart that would lead to such a situation…at the very least, it is not simply-connected.

actor212 May 23, 2012 at 12:26 pm

OK, so you're aboard the Nostromo, see, and you know where the bomb is but the alien *just* implanted her seed, see…

Chichikovovich May 23, 2012 at 12:34 pm

True, but given that in the usual wingnut decision space, the only connected subsets are the empty set and singletons, that's not saying much.

not that Radio May 23, 2012 at 1:16 pm

Ah — the Cantor Set. Why didn't you say so?

Chichikovovich May 23, 2012 at 2:00 pm

Yep, named after Eric Cantor. 'Cause it has uncountably many points, which are collectively meagre (as far as what's real) and with no measurable content.

prommie May 23, 2012 at 12:31 pm

Don't be so down, it could also mean "until the end of the second trimester." Even I would have a problem with an elective abortion of a healthy fetus at 9 months, ya know?

SayItWithWookies May 23, 2012 at 1:30 pm

Really — it seems senseless to abort a baby at that age, right when it's on the cusp of being able to be tried as an adult.

Boojum May 23, 2012 at 5:28 pm

I think you should hold your fire until you can see the whites of their eyes.

edgydrifter May 23, 2012 at 12:48 pm

"Tonight, on a very special episode of 24…"

OldWhiteLies May 23, 2012 at 1:01 pm

Yes – as if the only two options were ever torture, or not torture, hmmm.

(This snark free comment brought to you by Biz.)

hagajim May 23, 2012 at 12:20 pm

I wonder what the numbers would be if Gallup asked Americans if it's any damn business of the government to snoop in their personal lives, period. I'm certainly not pro-life in the sense that the wingnuts are, and I do believe that a woman should be able to choose what to do with her ownself and her cookie, but I also think abortion is the worst possible way to handle birf control….nuff said.

tessiee May 23, 2012 at 1:23 pm

"I do believe that a woman should be able to choose what to do with her ownself and her cookie"

"Cookie"?
Really, you call it a cookie?
What a silly, immature, childish term.
*sniffs in disdain*
Everyone knows it's a muffin.

hagajim May 23, 2012 at 2:26 pm

But I like cookies better than muffins….they're much sweeter.

boobookitteh May 23, 2012 at 12:21 pm

Can we just change the name to "United States of Cognitive Dissonance" already?

prommie May 23, 2012 at 12:23 pm

Nah, you got it all wrong, its the United States of Geniuses, you know, that kind of genius, when you can believe 2 things at the same time that are diametrically opposed.

prommie May 23, 2012 at 12:43 pm

Like people who believe in a benevolent, loving God who wants us to kill his enemies.

Boojum May 23, 2012 at 5:29 pm

But can't seem to manage to make it happen?

OldWhiteLies May 23, 2012 at 12:56 pm

Weejee, who let you have that framing hammer?

I thought we agreed you were only to use ball-peen – the dents are easier to fix.

SayItWithWookies May 23, 2012 at 12:21 pm

It's just like at the races, when I was trying to look at the horses' stats to see how well they ran on dirt tracks of a length similar to that race, when it was dry, and how healthy they were. And my friend picked the one with the cute name.

Oblios_Cap May 23, 2012 at 12:24 pm

and they won?

SayItWithWookies May 23, 2012 at 12:26 pm

And at 13:1, too. Facts are stupid things.

actor212 May 23, 2012 at 12:32 pm

Should have looked for the Tutsi Frutsi man

SigDeFlyinMonky May 23, 2012 at 1:02 pm

I've got a feeling the whole country's getting Tutsi Frutsiing right now.

Billmatic May 23, 2012 at 12:27 pm

I'm pro-LYF.

Ooom paw paw.

ManchuCandidate May 23, 2012 at 12:30 pm

It's basically an amplification of the NC poll on Gay Marriage. If people understood (haha) then I'll bet pro-life drops.

Unless you've got a death wish, everyone's pro-life.

Perhaps they should rejig the question so that it is closer to the truth:
"Are you pro-choice or anti-woman asshole control freak who can't get over the fact that women make decisions about anything including their bodies without a man telling her what to do by using religion to crush them?"

tessiee May 23, 2012 at 1:24 pm

Shorter: "Do you feel that women should be able to have sex without it ruining her life?"

starfanglednut May 23, 2012 at 8:57 pm

"Do you feel that women should be able to *enjoy* sex without it ruining her life?"

fify.

Chow Yun Flat May 23, 2012 at 12:31 pm

Asking poll questions like these to the Amerikkkan public is like trying to teach your dog to speak English. It never makes sense to the dog and the result is gibberish.

nounverb911 May 23, 2012 at 12:33 pm

So it's Seamus's fault that Mitt tied him to the roof of his car?

Chow Yun Flat May 23, 2012 at 12:45 pm

If only Seamus had learned to drive he could have ridden around with Mitt strapped to the roof of his car and felt like he was doing old Mittens a favor.

tessiee May 23, 2012 at 1:25 pm

It worked for Toonces.

Mumbletypeg May 23, 2012 at 12:41 pm

Let me guess; that photo was borrowed from "What to Expect When You're Least Expecting", yes?

SayItWithWookies May 23, 2012 at 12:49 pm

It's the view of the dumpster behind the Planned Parenthood clinic in Blade Runner.

BaldarTFlagass May 23, 2012 at 12:53 pm

Guess that shot didn't make either the Director's Cut or the Final Cut DVDs.

proudgrampa May 23, 2012 at 12:44 pm

I don't know what the big deal is. We already have state-sanctioned retroactive abortions. A lot of those in Texas..

MissTaken May 23, 2012 at 12:46 pm

Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is 100%.

Lionel[redacted]Esq May 23, 2012 at 1:36 pm

La petite mort?

tessiee May 23, 2012 at 12:49 pm

It doesn't matter whether 99.9% of all Americans think abortion should be legal; companies need cheap labor, the military needs cannon fodder, and religious cranks who nobody would have sex with in the first place are useful idiots; so we'll be fighting this battle 50 years from now, 100 years from now, 200 years from now…

JustPixelz May 23, 2012 at 1:36 pm

Abortion is illegal in Saudi Arabia and other Sharia Law nations. A woman getting an abortion is probably stoned to death. So they're pro-life! Just like the Repubicans.

tessiee May 23, 2012 at 1:44 pm

I'm borrowing/stealing here, but what the right really wants in this country is "honor killing", just in slow motion.

mrpuma2u May 23, 2012 at 12:51 pm

STOOPID SOSHULIS NUMBERZ! Most people who are any good at math are KOMMY LIEBURAL UHMERKA haters. So you should get your statistics from someone who loves America, not someone who's calculations are accurate, or based on facts.

OldWhiteLies May 23, 2012 at 12:52 pm

Wait – are we sure this isn't just a clever hidden rorschach test?

Jus_Wonderin May 23, 2012 at 1:01 pm

Honestly, I thought it was a photo of 3 old snakes crossing a cobblestone street.

Edit: or a vagina.

BlueStateLibel May 23, 2012 at 12:52 pm

Actually, most Americans feel this way about abortion: it's OK for me, or my girlfriend, daughter, etc., but not for the rest of you sluts! http://bit.ly/bEJEA

Mumbletypeg May 23, 2012 at 12:54 pm

I'm all for unlimited, legalized means of extinguishing these poorly devised surveys that muddy folks' perceptions with "pro-life", "pro-choice", slidey-scale-points-of-view optional but not presumptive — we're overpopulated with such misconceived analyses of human opinion as it is; we'd be better off had they never been brought into the world. Abort them all! (well, except if endangering the life of the mudderer).

Spurning Beer May 23, 2012 at 12:58 pm

This is like the poll results from a year ago or so finding that, say, 48 percent favored allowing gay people to get married, and 57 percent in favor of allowing gay and lesbian people to marry.

tessiee May 23, 2012 at 1:46 pm

100% of the men in that survey like watching girl on girl porn.

starfanglednut May 23, 2012 at 9:00 pm

These men love lesbians! But their benevolence extends only to femmes. Butches should just be beaten and raped.

Jus_Wonderin May 23, 2012 at 12:59 pm

Isn't the simple answer, if God didn't want us to have abortions, he would not have given us abortions.

CommieLibunatic May 23, 2012 at 1:00 pm

So… lemme get this straight. Pro-Life/Forced Birth is on the rise, but more people are okay with abortion?

According to this latest chart, my brain is full with an all-time record level of fuck.

mavenmaven May 23, 2012 at 1:02 pm

The Fox news statistics department does not understand what the problem here is.

starfanglednut May 23, 2012 at 9:01 pm

That statement is 132% true.

shortsandpants May 23, 2012 at 1:07 pm

We must save the babies over here so we can bomb them over there.

Jus_Wonderin May 23, 2012 at 1:12 pm

Unless they are anchor babies. Which is a scary mental image, come to think of it.

MadBrahms May 23, 2012 at 1:08 pm

So 52% reject the precious yet broken gifts from god that are rape-babies, but think other abortions are wrong, because Actions Have Consequences? Oh, sorry, when I say it that way it almost sounds like it's less about "life" than it is about a twisted and vindictive cult of personal responsibility.

Steverino247 May 23, 2012 at 1:14 pm

And as long as there's a need to raise funds to keep up the political fight there will never be any resolution to this.

Dear Friend,

A recent poll shows the number of pro-(insert your view) Americans is increasing/decreasing (circle one)! We need your financial help to save the unborn/protect a woman's right to choose (circle one).

(Almost) Full disclosure: I've escorted woman through gauntlets at clinics and helped put some Operation Rescue fuckers in jail (No disclosure here, sorry). However, being a past candidate for Federal office showed me why things are as they are–money. The USSC was right: Money is a form of speech in this country and has been for years. What is wrong is that this is so. Morally wrong, but political reality.

CleverSobriquet May 23, 2012 at 2:17 pm

Back to the Dylan reference (written in 1964)

Old lady judges watch people in pairs
Limited in sex, they dare
To push fake morals, insult and stare
While money doesn’t talk, it swears
Obscenity, who really cares
Propaganda, all is phony

DocChaos May 23, 2012 at 1:15 pm

20% of Americans believe a zygote is the same thing as a fully formed human being, 25% believe that a fully formed fetus is basically just a tissue mass until the moment of live birth, and most of the remaining majority fall somewhere in between, or are perhaps just unsure of when to transition from woman-hater to baby-killer.

OldWhiteLies May 23, 2012 at 1:17 pm

Does that pic of the Wonkette baby remind anybody else of the creepy mix-n-match shit that hides underneath the bad boy's workbench in the original Toy Story movie?

tessiee May 23, 2012 at 1:20 pm

That's not even fun in real life.

StealthMuslin May 23, 2012 at 1:24 pm

I'd be a lot more pro-life if my kids would just shut up for one damn minute!

Maman May 23, 2012 at 1:26 pm

Sounds like my mom. She is against all abortion but in the case of rape and incest, the doctor just goes ahead a performs a D&C.

tessiee May 23, 2012 at 1:28 pm

He has his Father's eyes.

Doktor StrangeZoom May 23, 2012 at 1:28 pm

The only moral abortion? That's easy: It's the one I want need to have.

EDIT: Oops, Bluestate beat me on this link. Worth posting twice, tho.

tessiee May 23, 2012 at 1:57 pm

Thanks for the link.
Skimming it quickly, I noticed a lot of anecdotes about religious cranks, predictably.
Aside from the obvious point that most religions are anti-sex and anti-woman, I wonder if religion also has plenty to answer for in these women's… I don't know exactly what to call it… lack of accountability? lack of a sense of agency?
Somewhere before my 14th birthday, I realized I was an atheist, and somewhere around my 16th birthday, I started buying rubbers at the drugstore so I would be prepared. OK, rubbers sometimes break, and other methods of birth control sometimes fail, but I'm not sure what to make of these women who show up at the clinic all wide-eyed, saying, "I have no idea how this big bump got on my tummy".

BaldarTFlagass May 23, 2012 at 1:29 pm

Good thing I don't have any children (at least none that I've ever been informed of) for these stupid fuckers to kill.

natoslug May 23, 2012 at 1:56 pm

You're going to need a lot more abortions, with the way prolife and prochoice are fucking in that first graph. Legalunderany and illegalinall should be ashamed of themselves, not inviting legalundercertain to join in the second graph. I find it much easier to masturbate to the first, thanks.

BZ1 May 23, 2012 at 2:24 pm

Where's the poll on how Gallup is ridiculous?

George Skullfry May 23, 2012 at 3:29 pm

I'm not a pollster, but I've looked at enough graphs and statistical experiment analyses during my life to have some trouble taking the apparent swings in that top graph seriously.

Popular opinion about abortion is not something that one would expect to fluctuate much on a year-to-year basis (note the relative stability of the bottom graph). A shift as large as that from 2011 to 2012 suggests some problem with Gallup's methodology or sample selection.

torera May 23, 2012 at 9:23 pm

Nice comments but it's really simple: if you say you're pro-choice, you're apt to get assassinated. So we got out of the habit.

ttommyunger May 24, 2012 at 2:02 pm

Looked pretty good before the Repugs got hold of it (when it was a fetus).

tessiee May 23, 2012 at 1:15 pm

"and their beliefs are rooted in religion, which apparently makes any atrocity excusable"

ftfy

FlownOver May 23, 2012 at 1:20 pm

But don't fear…

MosesInvests May 23, 2012 at 1:31 pm

So far, so good, eh?

CleverSobriquet May 23, 2012 at 2:09 pm

I think its time to start plastering the lyrics to that entire song over every loose piece of media we can find (although I probably could skip the part about the naked president).

It's Alright Ma,

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