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Somewhere the Family Research Council just collectively coughed up their coffee at the thought of their rentboys demanding "No Anal, No blow jobs until I see a wedding ring."
Fortunately, that song was the Georgia Satellites, not the North Carolina Satellites.
All the single lady-boys, put your hands up…
If you like it put a ring on it…no, higher…
Oh, I'm sure the FRC members have wedding rings – just hidden in their pockets, is all.
This is a big fucking deal.
Now not all gay men are size queens.
O RLY?
Marriage is a big fucking deal, not a big deal about fucking.
Yep. Gay people are entitled to be just as married, miserable and paying huge chunks of their net worth to divorce lawyers as their hetero friends.
Love ya Joe, but "Will & Grace" is not a better, more erudite teevee show than "Jersey Shore."
True. I couldn't get past the 2nd episode. Wait, maybe that does make it better, since I never even bothered to watch "Jersey Shore".
I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you, my dear friend. Ellen came out and people freaked out. Will & Grace was a show that got surprisingly little flack.
I loved Will & Grace, except for the last season. I own only two shows on DVD and Boston Legal is the other. Long live Anastasia Beaverhausen!
Wait a minute. You have a "dear friend" named Ellen who came out before Will & Grace was on teevee. An Ellen who is famous enough for people to freak. You're funny and quick. I think you are Ellen. (Does Mr. Jeff know?)
We're gonna need to see a birf cert.
Morning JustPixelz! My day just got better now that you are here.
I'm not Ellen. I'm not sure who I am until this coffee kicks in.
"I'm not Ellen."
That doesn't mean you can't DANCE!
*cues music*
*dances*
I'm not Ellen. I'm YOU.
OK, I'm not sure that's appropriate here, but it's still Sunday morning and it just popped into my head and outta my finger tips.
Sorry, it was a lame attempt at Sunday sarcasm. My teevee watching is more disparate. The two shows I mentioned, like hundreds of other network shows, I have never seen more than a snippet. Nonetheless, even if you think it was a good show, I think Joe's remark "I think W&G has done more to educate the American public than almost anything anybody's done before so far" is a bit of an overstatement.
This is what passed for gay comedy before Will and Grace. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXf6oYafHtQ
Re Joe's comment about changes in the culture, "will and grace", etc.:
A few years back, The Simpsons had an episode where the guy who ran the chatchke store [chatchkes = odds and ends, collectibles, etc.] was an out gay man, voiced by John Waters. Moe the Bartender said something typically Moe, like, "The whole modern world has a swishifying effect, what with the diet soda and all". The Former Mr. Tessie commented that just maybe, hearing anti-gay sentiments from a dimwitted loser like Moe would make some people re-think their own positions. I think he had a point, because isn't one of the purposes of art — even pop culture art — to make you think?
Dad, why did you bring me to a gay steel mill?
Well, just for that, you can't have any candy!
Oh, OK, take a teensy piece.
Ah, that was a pleasant 49 seconds…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icIwKaci3MI
A.K.A. the Archie Bunker effect, except a huge chunk of the audience is still laughing with the comment, instead of at the comment.
Love me some Joe. That is all.
thanks Editrix, I now have my sunday snark fix
I know. I just happened to check my e-mail and say. "Why doesn't Baconz check out the Wonkette and see how everyone's Peez are doing" and BLAUW!!! Here's a post.
"Well listen. The President sets the policy, and I'm not going to walk in the backdoor here before he comes out with anything different. As Vice President, I carry the luggage for this administration. But I will say that our stance is widening on this. The issue swings both ways, if you will. But as far as an official change in our views, I kind of, 'dare not speak its name'. But I can tell you from top to bottom, we are working it for the American people.
"Let me rephrase that."
Yup, that's good old Joe. They did do a good job editing that so smoothly and in real time, too!
Not very articulate for a white guy.
Have you heard the white guys we've had in government lately?
Although he IS pretty fly for a white guy.
The previous VP was more of a straight shooter.
You mean he aimed for that guy's face?
He IS clean, though!
Yes, but surprisingly quite clean.
well, that was extraordinary.
i like sunday sunshine wonkette.
I love Joe Biden so much I would NOT marry him, so we could live happily ever after. Sigh. What a man, what a man, what a mighty good man…
If Biden reads wonkette, I'm sure he'd approve this comment.
Maybe even the musical reference~
"So here's to the future cuz we got through the past
I finally found somebody that can make me laugh" ♫
Say it again, now…
…and over on that other Sunday morning talking heads show, Dame Peggington of Nooninghamshire. For fuck's sake.
In Winger World, Biden's comments about loving relationships will be tagged as part of War on Families. Because men and women can't love each other if marriage licenses are going to the wrong kind of people.
So-called traditional marriage gets all kinds of societal benefits. Reduced taxes in particular. But also the usual array of presumed permissions for medical decisions, banking and so forth. Plus less disparagement from public figures, like Bryan Fisher. But even with those perks, that kind of marriage is declining.
Divorce rates are highest in states with the highest rates of church attendance and participation. Those states don't have same-sex marriage. Ergo, religion is destroying the traditional family.
I tend to agree, but links? (to the part about highest divorce rates vs. states with highest church attendance)(I did Google, but found lots of conflicting info).
I came across “Marriage: A 50 State Tour” a while ago on Pew. The most striking was “married three or more times”, especially if you ignore Nevada (for more-or-less obvious reasons). Put that map next to the blue/red state map and it looks like a pattern. Of course I compared to church-going, which is also on Pew though not as a map. So I kinda looked at the data vs the marriage map. http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2009/10/15/marriages-and-divorce-a-50-state-tour/http://www.pewforum.org/How-Religious-Is-Your-State-.aspx
Yeah, I see what you mean. Thanks.
Unless something has changed in the last couple of years, "red states" also have the most murders per capita.
More or less linear relationship to guns per capita.
We kill more of our own than Al Quaeda and the Taliban ever did, or ever could.
"We Take Care of Our Own," as it were.
There are other significant factors, like urbanicity. Wyoming has the highest gun ownership rate in the nation, for example, but a murder rate well below the national average.
With proper controls, though, the correlation is significant.
Two different idiots (or maybe one idiot and a sockpuppet?) on the Politico comments said that traditional marriage has to be supported, and that while they thought that gays maybe have a difficult time, "reverse discrimination is not the answer." No explanation of what the fuck would be discriminatory about allowing gays to marry.
I thought this issue was settled when we kicked the crap out of the South the first time and passed the 14th Amendment.
It's kind of like "reverse racism", I think. Wingnuttese.
"No explanation of what the fuck would be discriminatory about allowing gays to marry."
You're selectively offending the X-tards … and that's discriminatory.
I likes me some Handsome Old Joe Biden on a Sunday morning. If they would book him every Sunday morning, maybe some of those ghastly republican Sunday morning gasbag shows could become watchable. No, never mind. It would take more than even Handsome Old Joe.
I used to watch MTP "religiously" (you know, as a Godless Lieberal, instead of going to church), but there's been too much unchecked conservaturdity on them the last few years, now I almost never watch. I wonder how their ratings have been?
God love him.
Or rest him, no wait, you're right, God love him! http://tinyurl.com/bpcet38
Obama looked like he enjoyed that. And I loved how Biden handled it.
I walked 47 miles of barbed wire,
Used a blue and grey neck tie.
Got a brand new house at the Naval Observatory,
Made so I can hide.
I got a brand new chimney right on top,
Cheney made it of human skulls.
Now come on gay people let's take a little walk, tell me,
Who do you love,
Who do you love, Who do you love, Who do you love.
-Joe "Bo" Biden-
If anybody REALLY had a rattlesnake for a necktie, it would be Joe Biden, and not some all talk pussy like Ted Nugent.
O/T but because you mentioned being a fan some threads ago:
http://nothingsgonnastopmenow.com/
Or if you were being facetious, that's o.k. too; Mark-Linn Baker always gave me the heebies, personally~
The Delaware Destroyer.
The Hawk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZeDvbyaJA4
The new Morning Joe as opposed to the olde Moarning Joe.
As I was sitting listening to this all I could think was: how reasonable!
And then I realized the fucktards were going to feast on this for a month.
You mean, like this:
"He said that 'people fear that which is different. Now they’re beginning to understand.' Which certainly sounds a lot like a full endorsement of same-sex marriage, and a corresponding attack on those who disagree."
Yes, "people beginning to understand" is an "attack on those who disagree." (Fucktards are fucktards … whatcha gonna do?)
True story. When Will & Grace was out (Tee-hee) a friend of mine worked at Macy's corporate as a catalog photographer. Now I know this is hard to believe, but there is quite a large segment of the homosexual community represented in the retail industry, and from what he told me that most of the gehys he talked to HATED Will and Grace with a passion. They thought it made gay men either look like flaming sluts or insecure business men incapable of finding a relationship.
As a straight, I prefer to be stereotyped by the fat cop meets fat teacher paradigm.
My homo men friends all identified more with Karen than with Will or Just Jack. Drunk, rich and sarcastic is apparently the preferred way to go through life for my geh boyz, thank goodness.
Aaron said he blushed when one gay dude was talking about another femme gay dude and said "That guys a total faggot". And he wasn't saying it like rappers use the N-(I think this word is banned on Wonkette) word.
Same here. None of my friends cared much for Will or Jack. But they (along with myself) liked Karen the best. I think it was because the writers gave her character the best lines. She was the closest thing to an American version of an Eddy or Patsy from Ab Fab.
I would pay dearly to be a fly on the wall at the Santorum house right now.
Joe Biden makes Rick Santorum want to throw up.
At least the flies in the Santorum house get to have sex once in awhile.
And plenty to eat!
But you couldn't pay me to be a gerbil in the Santorum house ever.
The only thing more useless than a fly in the Santorum house would be a Spanish fly.
Fuck that, the bachmann house
Michele: "Marcus, why are you smiling?"
Marcus: (giggles) "No reason dear. Just daydreaming…"
For those obsessed with other peoples crotches and what they do with them, I suppose there will be many blistering rebukes and rebuttals. For the rest of us, who focus on trivia like paying bills and stuff the reaction will be swift and resolute: Um, yeah, okay. But the cottage industry that has been funded to create outrage will be in high gear for a good bit with this, Fischer and the Association For Artificially offended fundies will be frothing and puffing, Bill Donohue will be tut-tut-sputtering and fundie preachers will be turning a brilliant lobster red and spitting to the back rows of pews. In other news, water is still wet, poop still stinks and love, in all its forms will survive this too. Even fundie, hetero, missionary only, procreational only, love, but the other forms will survive and perhaps even increase.
Well put.
"Joe Biden Has Enough Love for Everyone"
Not bad for a boy from Scranton.
Hooray for him is all I can say. I wish his boss would be so brave.
That is something I honestly just do not "get". What is so hard about saying that you support homosexuals having the same civil rights in marriage as everyone else even if you do not like it? Or even just saying your opinion is simply not relevant for judging if it should be legal or not.
I think it's not because Obama doesn't support gay marriage (he used to, then back tracked his stance). I think it's the polling, that not enough people support it to make it a campaign issue. I know that's unsatisfying and sounds craven, but we've seen how good the Obama team is at this politicking thing, so there's probably a reason for it.
But civil rights should not come up to votes or polls in the first place. Even if I thought that homosexuals were responsible for every bad thing in society, I would still have the same stance regarding their rights.
But yeah, in a perfect world, etc.
This clip should be used on the ads when California finally gets around to repealing Prop H8.
I think the Courts are going to spare us the trouble of doing that. The Prop H8 folks made it pretty clear that their effort was based on hatred and that can't fly like it used to. It will take something like Loving v. Virginia to finish the fight for same-sex marriage. More and more states were changing their laws, then, boom. Done. Same here.
You expect the Opus Dei in America cell at SCROTUS to say gays can wed?
You're dreaming.
Anyway, if Scalia & Thoas can keep on buttfuckin', in private, without penalty, so can the rest of the gays.
EW!!
Now I'm picturing it:
Uncle Clarence (in a Barry White sexy voice) Oh, Fat Tony, I've got something even blacker than my robes.
Fat Tony: Ooh, let me pound that gavel!
Uncle Clarence: OK, but first I have to overturn that ruling.
*iz ded*
The Supremes won't touch the case. Once the Ninth Circuit is done with it, it will stay there so as to "contain the damage." The haters know they could lose at the USSC level which would be the end of their world. Instead, they will snipe at the issue like they do with abortion rights, trying to make it difficult, etc.
Joe Biden should be made Vice President for Life. The country can't do without him.
"It's all about the love…"
Aha — so that's how those shifty liberals are going to destroy America!
Insidious.
The real conservatives, of course, are going to follow Rick Santorum's highlight-the-differences strategy and officially embrace being the party of hate.
"All you need is love, wupadoodledoo…"
Upfisted solely for phonetic spelling of trumpet fanfare.
Where in the bible does it talk about "love"?!?!?
It's always about the love, with us DFH. The love is both what gets us in electoral trouble, and what gives us moral legitimacy.
..and groin pulls. Don't forget the groin pulls.
Yes, but there's a lovely massage for that, to be administered by a lover.
That only seems fair.
My takeaway from this: I just want Bryan Fischer and Pat Robertson to admit that their preferred sexual arrangement has been a ménage à trois: The Him, the Her, and Jesus in the sticky, creamy Oreo center.
"Come out" "behind" gay marriage? Interesting choice of words,there, Dick.
OH! It's gonna be a great week for snark here when the right wing talking heads begin exploding about this on Faux-Noose. Baconz starting sarcasm warm up exercises in 4…3…2…
it's a sad comment on our society in general, and politics in particular, and how much the ultra-ultra-right dominates politics in the very particular; that I was actually surprised to hear a politician say something intelligent and compassionate, instead of scrambling to be the biggest pandering coward of all. It was so unlike anything I'm used to seeing in the mainstream media, that it actually took me a minute to process what I was hearing.
From the Right, they'll call Joe's "sop to the gay community" "pandering." Just you watch.
I'm sure they will.
If this isn't oversharing, I'm unique, in that I was raised in a dysfunctional family…
And so, part of my upbringing was to be a people pleaser and afraid of disapproval. So it always makes me feel better and more hopeful when *anybody* is willing to stand up and say/do the right thing.
Yup. You could see that Biden did not want to step all over Presidential policy or be construed as speaking for the President, but he also wasn't about to weasel out of being clear as to where he stood.
And for the same reasons you expressed, I too am always pleased to see someone saying or doing the wrong thing.
After an NPR story about NC's stupid Amendment 1 this morning, I said to Kid Zoom that he's going to be explaining to his kids how it used to be, when he was young, that some people who loved each other couldn't get married just because they were gay, and kids are going to ask him what the hell people were thinking back then.
What did he say?
He nodded, and pointed out that he agreed, and it was a good thing, but could I please get off my soapbox because he was TRYING to play Skyrim. Boy knows his priorities. I will ask him for further comment after he gets off the phone with his friend (they are both playing the game and talking about it, of course…)
EDIT: He just added that I should say that anybody with half a functioning brain already knows that gay marriage is OK, which might exclude junior high school kids, but that there's no excuse for thinking otherwise.
(If anything, the very unremarkability of his reaction is one more reason I think he's pretty nifty kid…)
Same with my kid: "What's the big deal?" seems to be the general opinion among her peers. Admittedly, this is coming out of Bronx Science, but to the extent that this penetrates into, say, Texas skools, I think there's reason for optimism. There will always be racist fucktards passing on their fucktard genes, but so long as we get 'em down to the 5-10% level, I figure we'll be doing OK.
Hey, I’m in Central PA (the “Alabama” part as James Carville so cleverly put it) and my kids (9 and 16) could give a shit if you’re gay, straight, green, brown, whatever. Of course, they’ll have their own problems to solve, but as far as the culture war goes, we’re winning. And at some level, the wingtards know this. That why they’re so hysterical.
You know, honestly, I thought Joey was kinda a weak and really "not there" VP. But to say what he said in this Fundie Tea-Bagger political environment of the early 21st century….THAT TOOK SOME BRASS FUCKING COJONES. I tip my cap to ya Mr. VP.
(this comment is 100% snark free)
People are so busy laughing at Joe that it is often overlooked that he is a smart and thinking man. I don't agree with him about everything (I think he helped make Delaware cozy for credit card companies), but he has many years of experience in foreign affairs and his counterparts in other countries do not laugh at him.
And he has been absolutely stupendous for decades with the VAWA act. He is a straight white guy politician that loves and respects women in all the best ways. And he is clearly still besotted with his lovely and intelligent wife.
I think too that (even though he is a politician) he has a fundamental honesty that has made it impossible for him to see the love of two men or two women for each other to be any less than the love he has for his own wife.
he has many years of experience in foreign affairs and his counterparts in other countries do not laugh at him.
That's why Hopey picked him, I think.
A few years ago I took a job nights delivering Dominoes Pizza for a year during a lull in my business. I picked the Store at Boulevard & Ponce in Atlanta knowing it would not be boring. That area is about half crack ghetto and half "trendy", if you know what I mean. I could always tell when the door opened if it was teh gheys: the place would look like it just had a photo shoot for a magazine and the dog (there was always a dog) smelled better than I did. They are good tippers, also, too. Go Joe!
And that's why they'll ruin America. I mean, something you just wrote has to be bad and ruinous to The American Family. Something… Did you say "Man on Dog"?
No, but I was thinking it…..and it was good for me.
I know you have some stories working delivery at Boulevard & Ponce.
It was one of the most interesting years of my life.
Biden was channeling his inner Jim Morrison …
"WHO DO YOU LOVE?"
Tonight on FOX:
Biden Declares War on Christianity, Calls Homosexuals 'People'
Biden Declares War on Marriage; in 2nd Obama term, Only Gays Will Be Allowed to Marry.
As I've mentioned a couple of times, I've had a part-time job for the last month doing online scoring for the essay portions of Texas' standardized tests for 10th grade. As I've also mentioned, a lot of the essays have been about Jebus, a topic that's invited by the prompt, "Write about a time when you came to see something in a new way," so in among all the stories of appreciating life more after a friend or family member dies, I also read a lot of essays about the writers' Coming To Jesus or Finally Understanding the True Meaning of Faith*. Most of these were pretty anodyne expressions of a desire to live for Jesus and do good, and reject sin and all that stuff, and it's probably safe to assume that a lot of these Texas kids, if asked, would probably not be particularly fond of The Gay.
HOWEVER, of the essays that directly addressed the issue–and I didn't keep a tally, which I now wish I had, though I'd say it was maybe as many as 30 or 40 out of the 4395 total essays I read, almost all related how the writer had originally thought of gay people in a negative light, but after finding out a friend or family member was gay, they now see it as no big deal, or as a positive thing. Some were still struggling with the contradiction between what their churches said and their experience of knowing a gay person–there was one kid who said she admires her gay friend for being brave enough to be comfortable with being himself, even though she "knows" he's going to Hell. And while there were a handful of essays that condemned homosexuality in general (usually as part of an overall "we live in sinful times" complaint), I don't recall even one essay where a student said that they found out a friend was gay and then shunned them. I'd also estimate that there were at least 5, maybe more, where the writers identified themselves as gay, which seems rather daring in the context of being a Texas high school student AND writing for an official school purpose.
It's getting better, I think.
* Also, there were a few–less than 20, probably, where the writers decided they no longer believed in God…
This time around the 1% are the good guys.
Are you implying that even though it often seems like we're backtracking civil liberties for minorities and even majorities (women, humans), that on the other hand we're in the midst of some new "enlightenment"?
I agree. I'm in school right now (I'm 49), and spend a lot of time around kids in their 20's. For the most part, they are completely over the gay thing, and largely over the race thing. It's absolutely wonderful to see. A gay kid in one of my classes came out in 8th fucking grade!
This is in MA, not TX, but still, it's definitely getting better. There's a lot of hope (in my book ) for when these kids are running things.
I agree.
My daughters, (21 and 25), are so over this issue.
When I attended a prop H8 rally, they told me to relax and bide my time, because most of the haters would be dead soon anyway!
This is something I've been ranting about to my partner (and anyone else in my vicinity who's willing to hear it ….again): The demographics in this country are changing & the GOP, and the RW in general, are completely ignoring this fact. The worst demographic any politician should be pandering to today is the older, white, homophobic, racist, misogynist male vote. But that seems to be exactly what the GOP has done. With Romney as nominee they've narrowed the demographic even more by alienating all non-multimillionaires.
When you court the stupid demographic, you tend to reel in the haters and the fundies. The GOP is in a bind because they really, really need that demographic.
"…out of the 4395 total essays I read…"
Jesus God!
Yeah, I know–I was only able to work about half time due to my day job, or it would have been a lot more.
Max length 2 pp handwritten, and probably a little under half only manage a page, or less. The kids only have 30 minutes to write, and I can read about 30-40 essays an hour. This is not the kind of careful, revision-oriented reading I do when I grade essays for a writing class, it's rapid assessment.
You don't have a teacher's aide?
HAHAHAHAHA (*sob!*)
My day job is not, unfortunately, "professor." Through a series of brilliant choices around the time I finished my doctorate, I pretty much condemned myself to a life of adjunct positions; at best, I might aspire to someday get on full-time at a community college, but even that seems unlikely. I'm not even in the academic minor leagues.
That's still a whole lot of "…and then my best friend's boyfriend was killed in a car crash and now I realize that every day is like a gift blah blah blah…"
I hope you have an effective mind-rising technique.
Wonkette is my brain bleach.
Now, I just need something to clean out the cerebral santorum…
I can almost hear a Barry White tune playing in the background. God, I love this bastard.
His boss is dining with Clooney on Thursday, so maybe some progress will be made there, too.
Today is George Clooney's birthday. Happy Birthday!
I'd love to give him his birthday potch on tuchus.
Progress (and history) will be coming the second term. Meantime, best if we all "don't ask, don't tell" so as not to encourage voter turnout amongst the wingnuts. If you don't think the Republicans are polling to see if as a wedge issue this won't bring in more evangelicals — than it loses independents you aren't paying attention. Joe is winking as he says he doesn't speak for the administration, which will hint but never give a straight (pardon the expression) answer.
They used it as a wedge issue, and it arguably cost us the election, in 2004.
A brave stance, especially since it could cost him the votes of Sea Men in the swing states of Virginia and North Carolina.
-107 pees? You must spend a lot of time delivering facts on the BrightFart site.
She/he is a better/braver man/woman than I.
Teensy weensy, like Rick's.
Gay divorce court will be the next big hit on Bravo,or Fox Family?
It'll be on right after "'Will and Grace."
I would totally watch it. In my experience "gay divorce" has real drama instead of the fake, scripted kind.
Gays invented the Drama Queen.
Biden on "Will and Grace" might be an accurate statement regarding the intellectual and moral level of the American public that thinks TV is real and that the characters on sitcoms are their friends.
Too most Americans, the Obamas remind them of their childhood neighbors, the Huxtables.
I want to see Joe slow jam something. Anything.
"I've never seen so many damn wedding planners."
Sorry if this is a cheap shot, but I have to ask:
David Gregory isn't an UN-attractive man, and he may be a very nice person who reads to handicapped puppies every Thursday or whatever…
but doesn't he look… well, simian? Like he should be swinging from a tree limb and peeling a banana with his toes?
I can't be the only person who sees it, can I?
I can't be the only person who sees it, can I?"
No, you can't. Now that you mention it.
Or as my 12 year old put it:
"That guy looks like a monkey."
Not monkey so much as Neanderthal. I think on that short-lived GEICO inspired caveman series they did an episode about a caveman newscaster who was "passing."
It's the overbite, Planet of the Apes style.
No more so than Wolf Blitzer looks vaguely canine.
(Slightly) OT: Dumb AP article is dumb.
He's a smug, Harvard-trained elitist who doesn't get how regular Americans are struggling these days. More extreme than he lets on, he's keeping his true agenda hidden until after Election Day. He's clueless about fixing the economy, over his head on foreign policy. Who is he?
Your answer will help decide the next president.
Is it Barack Obama, as seen by Mitt Romney? Or Romney, the way Obama depicts him? For all their liberal versus conservative differences, when the two presidential contenders describe each other, they sound like they're ragging on the same flawed guy. Or mirror images of that guy.
It kind of goes on from there then abruptly stops before ever attempting to answer any of its own questions. The format only seeks to reinforce the idea there is that both sides are identical and all politics is just the view from subjective perspective. How long has reporting on perception and verbatim copy-paste of dueling campaign spin become legit newsmanship? This article is typical of the type of reporting I'm totally sick of.
Vive la France!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzz6fAdFFis&fe…
Félicitations au nouveau président François Hollande!!!
I prefer this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM-E2H1ChJM
I was going to put up a video of a French pop singer named Alizee.
OT: I don't think that whole "If you believe in global warming, you're a murderer." billboard campaign had the desired effect for the Heartland institute. http://bit.ly/J1XRuP
From the article:
"most prominent advocates of global warming aren't scientists. They are murderers, tyrants, and madmen."
WTF!?
Yeah, I heard Al Gore's body count is up to 20 million now.
Everyhone knows that climatologists are history's greatest monsters.
I liked the the Fark headline: "A perfect example of why the Heartland Institute is not called the Brainland Institute…"
"Who do you love and will you be loyal to the person you love." Why is something so easy so difficult? Thanks Mr. VPOTUS for putting this conversation in breathtakingly simple terms.
Simple, except to Xtards who believe there's a "wrong answer" to the first question.
85% OT: One of the only good things I have to say about twenty somethings these days is that they seem to be doing away with most of the obnoxious traditions that go along with marriage and weddings, including the most obnoxious thing ever, the dreaded wedding shower.
I went to a wedding last month for two twenty somethings and they basically just had a reception, stopped the band in the middle of the party, said their vows, people gave a few toasts and then we all ate cupcakes. That was it. No registry, no goddam shower, no stupid tossing of things for other people to catch.
Compare that to another wedding I have coming up for a friend who is almost forty. Its her first wedding, registered for a bunch of crap that she doesn't need. I already made excuses to get out of the shower and the bachelorette party and I am on the hook for $300 already for accommodations because they decided to have the ceremony on a fucking island in the middle of fucking nowhere with a three hour ferry ride each way.
Shorter version: I hate weddings.
Totally agree. These big costly weddings are commercializations of the worst sort. I suppose it is a good thing that some folks can make a living off of them, but it is so weird that couples want to spend that much in time and money for something so transitory. Same goes for lavish Bar (Bat) Mitzvahs. Insane.
When Mr Geminisunmars and I married in '94 we had a few family and close friends in our living room and had a judge who was a mutual acquaintance lead the ceremony. My Mother bought a nice big basket of flowers, I bought a new outfit for the occasion, Mr Gem wore a regular suit, and we took everyone out to dinner at a Chinese Restaurant. It was a beautiful sunny January day, and I bet it was as memorable and lovely for us as one of those ghastly affairs.
Ours was a big deal due to her family wanting to make it one. It was basically a huge event that we were asked to leave near the beginning of. Her sibling that then wanted a huge wedding five years later had a much smaller one than we did. I am still not quite sure how that worked.
I almost never get invited to weddings. I wish I hadn't been invited to mine.
OT: Maybe I missed this if Wonkette already covered it, but did you know that [in Kansas] abortions cause cancer? Good thing they're pretty much outlawing them, then, huh? http://bit.ly/J35pxl
Yet another Republican Religionista lie that keeps bobbing up like a turd in the pool.
Kansas is to science what Rush Limbaugh is to good health.
Definately comment of the day from the blog you posted; "I AM ASHAMED OF MY GOVERNMENT! As one Senator's sign said: If I wanted government in my womb I'd f*ck a Senator!"
Hey! Hey! Editrix! This demanding Wonkette commentator has demands! Where's is our Oh, No! Carla Bruni Is No Longer Sexy President of Sexy, Sexy Franch People post?!?
I mean, as long as you're working weekends.
That is one sexy girl.
More OT: Ron Paul's 'Fuck Primaries, Win Delegates' strategy seems to be working.
Ron Paul wins majority of delegates in Nevada, Maine
Suck it, Mittens.
Just more fodder for the "If only the media sucked Dr. Paul's cock 24/7 he would be anointed President" crowd. The Paul supporters are going to cause as much trouble for the GOP as Pat Robertson did.
Plus, one of the more zealous Paultards might end up doing a dancer at Mons Venus like Rearden did Dagny Taggart.
Let's hope MORE trouble.
Have you ever noticed that during the normal news cycle, the Paultards will not shut up about how the media is supposedly "ignoring" Ron Paul, but the minute the press turns its gaze on the good Doktor and pulls up all the super racist and corrupt shit he's churned out, the Paultards screech their poopholes blue about how the press won't leave Ron Paul alone?
What up wit dat?
Kind of funny that they are using the rationale that Romney is subverting the vote to justify subverting the vote. But Paultards tend to not place a lot of value in intellectual and moral consistency.
Maybe the RNC should impose some sane rules for delegate selection on the state parties.
Nah, fuck 'em.
States' rights and all that.
Sean Spicer, spokesperson for the Republican National Committee (RNC) told Hotsheet that Paul's victory "is not going to be a problem" because the Nevada Republican Party's rules state most delegates are "bound" to Romney since he won the statewide caucuses.
Ummm … can anybody figure out what the fuck is the point of the Nevada primary?
We can haz new socialist French prez thread pleeze?
ZOMG SOCULIZM~!!!!!
Goll-dangy, the French actually won for once!
This Joe Biden statement is good news for Hephaestion and Alexander…
What does the Murdock wannabe Huffington Post have to say on this issue? "Joe Biden Gay Marriage Reaction: Frustration As Officials Walk Back VP's Same-Sex Marriage Comments"
So we go to the tape and see what Obama's office and Biden's office said, "The vice president was saying what the president has said previously — that committed and loving same-sex couples deserve the same rights and protections enjoyed by all Americans, and that we oppose any effort to rollback those rights. … Beyond that, the vice president was expressing that he too is evolving on the issue, after meeting so many committed couples and families in this country," said a Biden spokesperson.
On Twitter, top Obama political adviser David Axelrod said, "What VP said-that all married couples should have exactly the same legal rights-is precisely POTUS's position." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/06/joe-bide…
What twat prattle as the so called 'journalist' then cites a few comments from LGBT leaders which are interpreted as being that Obama and Biden bailed on the Vice President's statements this morning.
Let's get the most important fact straight in this whole argument. THE UNITED STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO STANDING TO DETERMINE RULES FOR MARRIAGE." This is true now. It was true in 1781. It was true when the Republicans made a 'Gay Marriage Amendment" a potent wedge issue in the defeat of John Kerry in 2004. Remember the dual dog wistle of 'Gay Marriage" and "He's so French"
Regardless of your position on LGBT marriage, this President and Vice President have made a greater commitment to it than ANY of their predecessors. If the critique of whether Obama should do something about LGBT marriage is allowed to go forward, it will kill the chances of LGBT marriage and the Obama Presidency.
Want a 'Gay Marriage Amendment?' Then accept the risk that a ban on LGBT marriage would be passed by the Republicans and the federal government will then have it's foot in the door to make other determinations on your personal life. THAT is the real intention of the Republican 'stance' on LGBT marriage.
That was brilliant, JMC. I'm glad there is a statue of you 2 blocks from my house.
Thank you. But if it was that brilliant someone would have listened to me 8 years ago when I was working John Kerry's campaign. I guess it just doesn't fit on a bumper sticker.
I had never heard of JMC, very interesting story! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Michael_Curley
I had IE up and it was messing with my ability to Reply. Chrome is working. You should google; The Curley Effect: The Economics of Shaping the Electorate” which paints a rather cynical picture with the premises that JMC laid down the tradition of politicians who cater to the lower class masses to drive the rich out of an area. “We call this strategy—increasing the relative size of one’s political base through distortionary, wealth-reducing policies—the Curley effect.” To which he also attributes the white flight in Detroit to Coleman Young and in Zimbabwe to Robert Mugabe. When I was studying economics I would not have been allowed to base and precipe of an economic theory on previously stated economic assumptions. However, one can see in this 2005 article a rather clear blueprint for the post 2006 Republican national strategy.
I am experiencing a rather strange Intense Debate situation. I can click a reply but then I get sent to the top of the page and cannot enter text in the reply box.
I should stress that I firmly believe that it is Obama's recognition that to attempt to create a 'Gay Marriage' role for the federal government is both unconstitutional but, MORE IMPORTANTLY, dangerous. It can not be stressed that Republicans are so hard wired on being able to put their foot in the door on a federal role for personal behavior that many with whom I argue get livid when their illogical opinions are pointed out to them.
It has become a Republican Core Belief that they, guided by whatever religious dictum they currently follow, have a constitutionally protected Freedom to force you to assuage their guilt.
I say they should bring back self flagellation.
James, your posts on this subject deserves the highest of praise. I wish we could clone you and make this a better world.
I can't wait to hear your opinions on other topics, please. Thanks!
You should follow Rebecca and the rest of us crazies on Twitter.
My Twitter isn't as bad as it used to be. But I still don't like to speak in public.
And yet they do not support my Biblical right to murder people for working on Saturday or even to just stone Newt Gingrich and Mrs. Gingrich #2 and #3.
Increase your roughage. A good BM usually cures that faster than governmental action.
And hopefully we can move beyond the point where we are now where stupid articles like this one get published. Who cares if Tim Cook is gay? i just want him to stop fucking up MacOS X by making it look like the goddamned iPad. Of course the stupid article will be seen by wingnuts and proof that teh gheyz are taking over and with some cynically suggesting that if rich, white men like Tim Cook are gay then perhaps discrimination against gays isn't really that bad.
i just want him to stop fucking up MacOS X by making it look like the goddamned iPad.
Amen to that. I mean, I love mah iPad and all, but when I use the other computer it's for work and I don't want a load of shiny bullshit getting in the way.
Zactamundo.
. . . cynically suggesting that if rich, white men like Tim Cook are gay then perhaps discrimination against gays isn't really that bad.
While not at all suggesting that if Apple, Microsoft, IBM, and Wal-Mart were able to create jobs and wealth and all that good capitalist stuff throughout the 1980s, perhaps higher taxes on the "job creators" wasn't really all that bad.
Whoa, Anderson Cooper is gay? I seriously didn't know that. I remember whathisname from Gawker always writing that AC should come out, but I didn't really know if there was anything to it.
Just look at him! Methinks your gaydar needs an adjustment, my friend.
I watched 60 Minutes tonight and got a vibe that AC was gettin' fresh with the bikini-bottom clad Olympic swimmer (whatshisface)… But he hasn't officially come out of the closet, right?
AC is as gay as trannies doing maypole dancing, but who the fuck cares?
He doesn't want to "out" yet, so fine. Props to Don Lemon for doing just that, but AC doesn't feel it necessary, which is also kinda cool – AC does his thing and his sexuality doesn't matter worth shit, really.
It's an open secret around media types that Cooper is gay, and he used to invite his boyfriend to all the big press parties (I think they've since split), but everyone in the news world respected Anderson's wish to keep his sexuality a tertiary characteristic of who he is and what he does. He suffers from noble rich kid syndrome, wherein he wants his work to be the defining characteristic of his life, as opposed to his family or his personal life. Don't forget that his mother was Gloria Vanderbilt, whose existence was defined by how much spotlight she could absorb.
Yeah, I know a fucking lot about Anderson Cooper. Wanna fight about it?
No fighting, just learning!
Honestly, OSC's screed is so full of teh stoopid that I have to wonder how he puts together a coherent story line for his books. But then I don't read his books.
OT: I've been watching the coverage of the French elections on CNN throughout the day, and I shouldn't be surprised at how incredibly biased it is, but I am. Instead of the story being "France makes change to left in the first time in over a decade" it's "Oh my god! American markets are going to crash because a sss…sss…Socialist **gasp** has won the election!" It's sickening, as if France just elected Joseph Stalin president, or some shit. Surely, they know the France's socialist party is a socialist democratic party that went all centrist Third Way like the Dems in America, right? Of course they don't.
Yeah, because austerity <o>and investment is such a bad idea. Because "austerity only" has worked out so well for Europe in the past three or four years. Fuck you, 1% and 1% apologizers; fuck you with a "socialist" tax increase.
It may happen that the markets make a down fall for a short week or two because most people driving the market know little more than the janitor does about how or whether world and/or macro events affect the 'market.'
But look to some noticeably higher rates of return on financials, production and mega utilities as the really big players realize the 'austerity' game is over and the 'cut my taxes and I'll create jobs' crowd was talking out their asses for the last twelve years.
John Maynard Keynes is back and he is PISSED.
It's already started. See 9:35 AM and 9:38 AM.
As of 9:35 I’m $100 up across all my accounts, we’ll see how that goes. 9:55 down $47.00But I moved heavily into financials last November. I decided that the world, especially the US, was going to have to go Recardo, Keynes, Krugman if it wanted to head off another deep “recession” like the one caused by Reagan’s 1984 tax cuts, Bush I’s 1990 tax cuts and Bush II’s 2003 tax cuts.
Anybody have the stomach to go see how Fucks Gnus is spinning it?
I expect something approaching "The Mayans were right!!!!"
If CNN is as bad as it has been covering this, I couldn't even begin to subject myself to Fox. Honestly, fuck you Ali Velshi, you amoral, one-trick fucker. I can not tolerate them. It's as if they forget that the economy is more than money; it's composed of **gasp** actual human beings who are more than cogs in a money machine.
Oh man, I watch CNN quite a lot but there are two people I simply can't watch: fucking dickhead Ali Velshi and that worthless prick Morgan.
As usual, you're not wrong.
It's really good Joe did this, because the establishment (Dems, the GOP, the president, etc…) are all currently on the wrong side of this issue, but not quite so much that they'll be punished for being so. So, it's good that they are at least trying to ease themselves in so they can make the pivot when opposition to this becomes untenable.
It's be good if the president would simply stop being what Kennedy was to the Civil Rights Movement, and go straight to Johnson, but that ain't gonna happen. The establishment doesn't do things until it's nearly forced (or actually forced) to do so.
"I fully support gay marriage, because, not many people know it, but I was in a happy gay marriage for about a year and a half in the 1980s, when I happily and continually had gay male sex with another man," said Ted Nugent, when asked for a response by "Gay Maxim," the gay men's magazine for gay men. "I loved it! In fact, I wouldn't mind engaging in some wild and crazy gay man sex with this Biden guy–he's a handsome silver-haired fox of a guy. My wife doesn't mind–she's turned on by me having sex with other men! But I like it, too!"
I used to read some of his sci-fi books in high school when I was younger and dumb. **sigh**
Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead are, IMO, remarkably good. And, not coincidentally, free from hidden messages about the state of the modern world.
It makes me not feel so bad. I really liked Speaker for the Dead. In fact, I've never read another book quite like it, and it left a poewrful impression on me. For whatever reason, he never let those two get religious, rather, deeply philosophical.
A little genocide is OK if you don't really mean it.
I had told Ms. Curley a few years ago I wanted to see the movie Hidalgo when it came out and regaled her with stories of riding my motorcycle from Ft. Hood down to Mexico City and to Delores and on to one of the Mayan Pyramids out near Canceun. As the release date approached she kept asking me why I was so interested in a horse.
What kind of motorcycle?
Knowing that there is a Mrs Curley makes my heart smile more than you can believe.
A really beat '68 Honda 350CL. After getting out of the Army and into College I worked in a couple motorcycle shops. So over the years I ended up with a rather strange variety of bikes. Mrs. Curley makes my heart smile also, usually Saturday mornings after I have had a good night's rest.
If "God hates gays" is a "traditional value", Orson, then I'm all for not teaching it in schools.
I'll never read another of that fucker's books.
Antonin Scalia's wife arrested, again:
"The New York Post reports that a 45-year-old Long Island woman was arrested last week for selling hot dogs and handjobs out of a camper on the side of the road. It was the second time Catherine Scalia had been arrested for selling hot dogs and handjobs out of a camper on the side of the road."
Yeah, like she's ever sold a hot dog.
She was only arrested because the rats preparing the hot dogs didn't wear hair nets. This is a non story.
Now I am not sure if I am craving a hot dog or a handjob right now.
"Now I am not sure if I am craving a hot dog or a handjob right now."
Comment of the Month.
At least she's good with wieners.
OT: Michigan's ||||Upper Peninsula is semi-seriously mulling independence, again. lol They say they feel like a mining colony…which is kind of accurate how us downstaters have treated them:
Unrest in District 12?
I hope they use the right size font on the ballot.
Damn! Old White Joe was so sincere and decent, I'd almost go out and let some dude suck me off, just to celebrate the clip. I am moved.
His dancing around "calling it marriage" aside, this is probably the most beautifully articulate statement anyone that close to the oval office has ever made on the issue. It could have been eye-rollingly schlocky, but for some reason his old-kindly-uncle delivery was perfect for it.
I actually want to hear more of Joe Biden, and not to make fun of him. That's an achievement.
FWIW, Card is a Mormon.
and you know, train travel!
"But ooooh baby, are the fucktards ever going to go nuts over that Biden flower delivery through the back door. Yippee! "
They're just jealous. Why does he get to talk about going in the back door and loving him some gay guys? And flowers.
That's refreshing! Where do you live, that you run into "stand-up Joe's" so frequently?
I'm a self-employed expat and the folks I spend most of my time with socially are fairly grounded in a bent way. Rain Dogs all. The international homeless, the future. Right now I'm in Riga until the Russian ME Biz visa comes through. Moscow is actually where I live, at least for the last ten years with breaks. I'm just not registered there. And I travel a lot. Great people on the road!
Politicians are an evil class but Joe Biden has always struck a cord with me. I could see him on my couch in Moscow after a three day bender muttering foolishness to the cat.
I don't care much about people's sexuality, I just thought it was strangely presumptuous for the above linked article to name AC as some Gay Powerbroker when he's not actually "out". And then I started to think that maybe I wasn't as up on current events as I think. It was an existential crisis! Not really.
Cerebral santorum. Head cheese?
Wait, I thought you were a school teacher. Even my tiny, poor private school I went to occassionally had teacher's aides.
"Murder rate" omits accidental shootings, and probably a lot of "homicides" and "manslaughters" as well. I'd love to see a study that takes that into account, corrects for the one-guy-with-50-guns distortion, and looks at handguns specifically.
Loved the comments section there: "Places with heavy gun control have high crime rates!" Cause vs. effect, anyone?
All good points, but the one I've found to be most important is the distinction between handguns vs. guns in general.You may be interested in this old study by Killias: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC14855…
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