Assistant Sheriff George Jaramillo and Sheriff Mike Carona? Total prison.Ten years later, the woman who was once 16-year-old Jane Doe — videotaped while she was gang-raped, unconscious, on a pool table, by an Orange County, California, assistant sheriff’s son and his buddies — tells her name and shows her face.

Jane Doe was sitting in a Southern California community-college classroom when her criminal-justice professor ignited a debate about the infamous 2002 Haidl gang rape that won international attention. Three young men (then ages 17 and 18) got a then-16-year-old girl intoxicated on booze and marijuana to the point of unconsciousness, stripped her, and then videotaped their sexual assault at a Pacific Ocean-view, Corona del Mar home. With misogynistic rap as a soundtrack, they threw her limp body on a pool table and, in a despicable coup de grâce, repeatedly shoved a Snapple bottle, apple-juice can, lit cigarette and a pool stick into her vagina and anus.


[N]obody could have anticipated that a 16-year-old, carefree, party-hungry Rancho Cucamonga girl would alter the course of Orange County history. Her arrival at the high-school-aged beer-and-pot party at Haidl’s home near midnight on July 5, 2002, set in motion a series of events that would make national news, reveal wealth’s corrupting influence on justice, alter California law about defense lawyers paying jurors, prompt rebellion inside the OCSD, expose the laziness of the mainstream media that blamed Doe, launch a federal grand jury, end promising careers and put several powerful individuals once blessed by the president of the United States in prison.

Go on over and read it now. You busy or something? [OCWeekly]

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  • Lascauxcaveman

    "Boys will be boys brutal, drug addled, masochistic gang-rapists!"

    Unfortunately, this kind of thing probably happens unreported and unprosecuted more than you'd think.

    • Makes one fear for one's daughters.

      • Fare la Volpe

        Makes one fear for one, as well.

        • You remember what I told you, now. Don't run off with ANYbody till you give their ID/info to some trusted friend and if they lay one finger on you wrong you tell them I will keeel them till they die from eet.

          • Fare la Volpe

            All my <3 papa bear.

            My bestest of all best friends is a great big French Canadian burly bear with enough bicep to shelter refugees in winter and enough beard to keep them toasty 'til spring. He has assured me that if any paramour so much as leaves a bruise on me that they will pray for death that will not come and yearn for oblivion he will not grant them. This coming from a guy who left the US military because they were "a bunch of little chicken shit pussies."

            He's not even the first to offer his services as guardian of my honor. I've always been lacking in self-defense, but I've never been at a loss for protection, bless. I've also got enough of a head on my shoulders to not go jumping in cars with strangers, ala that poor child from Paris is Burning.

          • (Hugs the Foxy Little One most fondly) That's because you are our Sweet and Darling Boy, love. I will join with the Bear in kicking some serious ass if anybody looks at you wrong, is all. I'm just waiting to hear you're safely out of your hellhole and into some wonderful new city where the boys are many and manly and dying to wrap you up warm.

            And, FWIW — Jeffrey Dahmer once found himself all tied up and nowhere to go, once. I don't think his playmates knew until after his arrest just what they had in THEIR lair! But I trust, I trust, and I keep you in my thoughts at all times, baby.

          • I had a cousin (RIP) who was huge–NFL offensive lineman huge–and with a well defined and unalterable ideas of family, justice and retribution. Something horrible was done to my sister and the guy who did it wasn't prosecuted–nothing like the Orange County case, but a more typical disinterest on the part of the state's attorney office combined with poor chain of custody practice by the Chicago Police Department.

            In addition to being big and in shape my cousin was a really mean person–not all the time but enough that you were aware of the potential–and didn't mind hurting people. When it became clear that the bad guy was going to skate my cousin (almost assuredly) injured him enough that he was in the hospital for a few weeks. When he got out he was on crutches and had a hard time speaking since something in his brain got disconnected and he had a LOT of damage to his face.

            Whatever happened wasn't necessarily a good thing but it was an approach that (at the time) seemed to make sense.

          • BigSkullF*ckingDog

            As someone with more mouth than muscle I also appreciate the presence of my large, burly brothers.

    • Redgyal

      And the Violence against Women Act makes it harder.

    • Man0nTheStreet

      "Welcome to Skull & Bones, "Dubya" – drugs to the left, girls to the right!"

  • chascates

    My, oh my. It really is a small world. And the depths the defense went to is incredible.

  • littlebigdaddy

    Editrix, we had a lot of depressing stuff like this from Ken. Are you Ken's sister?

    • chascates

      I think it's the living in California that does it.

      • iburl

        All the sunshine and nice weather?

        • Fare la Volpe

          You mean all the mudslides and fire?

          • RavenRant

            What are earthquakes? Chopped liver?

          • not that Dewey

            Does asphyxiating pollution not count for anything?

          • Sir_Fartz_Alot

            Ahhhhhh…..God's country….

          • Man0nTheStreet


      • Geminisunmars

        I was born in S Cal. Now I live in Rocky Mountains, which helps me deal with the chronic depression.

        • RavenRant

          ♪ ♫ California dreamin' nearly put me down for good, Colorado Rocky Mountains saved my senses. ♪ ♫

          • Geminisunmars

            Ooops. I looked at my shadow.

          • RavenRant

            Didn't want to insult you by giving songwriter and album info. 'Don't Look at My Shadow' isn't my favorite song on the album, but that is one of my all-time favorite albums.

            Chronic depression is probably an intelligent response to the fact that we live in 'interesting times'. The only sensible response is to do the best we can with what we have to work with. Enjoy the beauty that surrounds you.

  • Barrelhse

    Finally some GOOD news.

  • Thanks for the coverage, Editrix. I wondered what had happened to this case, but would not have bestirred myself to find out without a poke.

  • "…She was repeatedly called a 'slut'…" Jesus. Why do stories like this still give me a rage-stroke?

    • Wile E. Quixote

      Because you're still human.

    • Lascauxcaveman

      Those who side with the defendants are often the angriest. They opine that the victim enticed the men by wearing provocative clothes and flirting.

      i just fucking hate Hate HATE THESE PEOPLE.

      • tessiee

        What's even worse is that these are the same shitbags who fly into a rage if women say No, or ask a friend to walk them home, or don't park in dark parking lots, or won't get into an elevator if there's only one person in it, because those women are stuck-up, or paranoid, or man-haters, or some fucking thing. It happens often enough that it has a name, "Schrodinger's Rapist":

        • RavenRant

          Or laugh at her for locking her doors, taking precautions, etc. Then are the first to squeal, "Why didn't she lock her doors!?!"

          Schrodinger's Rapist is brilliant.

      • Warwhatgoodfor

        The insects with this much rage are such losers at being even marginally human that when they look at a woman, any woman, they realize that there isn't a chance in hell that the slightest advance they might make would be answered with anything but peals of laughter.

  • pinkocommi

    This is a metaphor for the unpleasant experience of being a liberal living behind the orange curtain.

  • Dashboard Buddha

    I once had the opportunity to dope slap someone in class that defended a rapist saying that "she had it coming".

    It was a class called Social Problems and the Young Neanderthal sat in the row in front and below me. He uttered his bullshit and reason took a smoke break as I slapped him upside the head. "Are you that fucking stupid?!

    I in almost every situation decry violence. However, in this case IT FELT FUCKING GOOD!

    • Doktor StrangeZoom

      Sometimes I think court-ordered dope slaps might be a good idea. Problem is, the people who need them the most would not get the point anyway.

      This is not necessarily a reason NOT to slap 'em.

      • valgal2342

        Dope slap the Neanderthal with a big club and drag him by his hair through the quad. Perhaps a Neanderthal would understand that.

    • e_z

      Neanderthal had it coming.

    • Swampgas_Man

      The dope had it coming.

    • Let's hope you don't go to school in Arizona.

      • Dashboard Buddha

        Florida…but at least we had the Gulf and the Atlantic beaches.

  • Radiotherapy

    This is what happens when liberal atheist unionized teachers and the lamestream media and the Democratic elite Marxists are allowed to control America. I'm sure the for-profit prison management will help to rehabilitate these men. Only 200 days until we take back America.

    • Man0nTheStreet

      …and gang-rape it!

      "I'm Mitt Romney, and I approve this message."

      Romney 2012!

      • Wile E. Quixote

        But only after boring it to sleep with a long speech about office supplies.

  • commiegirl

    Sorry you guys. There really wasn't a way to make it funny. And now this the post you will be seeing all night!

    • Bite me.

      • tessiee

        In Soviet Russia, person bites shark.

    • I would be mad at you, but I'm pretty drunk.

    • Radiotherapy

      Don't you have a stash of Callista or teabagger or Palin or jimmy leg stories or something?

    • Doktor StrangeZoom

      Sometimes rage is what's needed, after all.

    • Boojum

      It's OK. We love us some Editrix anyway.

    • SheriffRoscoe

      Mama's house, Mama's rules.

    • CivicHoliday

      Jesus christ, some of us have daughters! Granted mine is only 2 so she has at least 10 years before people start calling her a slut and getting mad if she wears a skirt above her knee, but nonetheless…

      • HistoriCat

        With boys you have to worry about one penis, with girls you have to worry about all of them …

  • SorosBot

    Good, my depression has been acting up worse than usual tonight and this was just the perfect post to help with that.

    • Callyson

      I know the feeling…if it helps, you are loved here on Wonkette, so stay strong and don't let the demon depression get to you *too* much…

  • the_problem_child

    I am disgusted by the slut-shaming this post will provoke.

    No, I take that back (for now).

    • tessiee

      Oh, just keep reading downthread…

  • Sassomatic

    Were this to happen now, Sean Hannity would be calling the gang-bangers heroes.

    • Man0nTheStreet

      Job creators – for court-staff brought in for the trial of the scumbag rapists, and staffers' therapists & bartenders who heard tales of the grim details…

  • You had me [puking] at 'lit cigarette in vagina'.

  • Just got home and turned on the Wonkette, is this a continuation of this mornings Breitbart theme?

    • Man0nTheStreet

      Yes – it's "The Adventures of Young Breitbart"

  • KotBR

    It takes a special kind of sick fuck to see a tape of three young men raping a passed-out young woman and spend even a second thinking of how to keep them out of jail.

  • OT: I know, we don't like watching stupid YouTube videos… BUT THIS IS WORTH IT!!!1! This may be teh Wonketz Theme Video for the next 6 hours or months or days.

    P.S., it's about Willard Mittens vs. The Real Slim Shady

  • CessnaDriver

    Nice republican boys.

    They got caught because one of the assholes left the tape in a friend's VCR.

  • Doktor StrangeZoom

    Seems like this might be a good time to re-post the Best List of Rape Prevention Tips yet written:

    Ten rape prevention tips:

    1. Don’t put drugs in women’s drinks.

    2. When you see a woman walking by herself, leave her alone.

    3. If you pull over to help a woman whose car has broken down, remember not to rape her.

    4. If you are in an elevator and a woman gets in, don’t rape her.

    5. When you encounter a woman who is asleep, the safest course of action is to not rape her.

    6. Never creep into a woman’s home through an unlocked door or window, or spring out at her from between parked cars, or rape her.

    7. Remember, people go to the laundry room to do their laundry. Do not attempt to molest someone who is alone in a laundry room.

    8. Use the Buddy System! If it is inconvenient for you to stop yourself from raping women, ask a trusted friend to accompany you at all times.

    9. Carry a rape whistle. If you find that you are about to rape someone, blow the whistle until someone comes to stop you.

    10. Don’t forget: Honesty is the best policy. When asking a woman out on a date, don’t pretend that you are interested in her as a person; tell her straight up that you expect to be raping her later. If you don’t communicate your intentions, the woman may take it as a sign that you do not plan to rape her.

    • Man0nTheStreet


      • Doktor StrangeZoom


        Ten lessons; don't rape

    • Radiotherapy

      11. If the law states you should do a transvaginal ultrasound probe before a termination, invoke doctor-patient confidentiality and don't do it.
      12. iI Bristol Palin is on her second wine cooler, run the fuck away.

      • Man0nTheStreet

        12a (Levi's rule). It's too late, she's already preggers!

    • RavenRant

      It's pretty clear that all of the other rape prevention tips are preemptive victim blaming.

      Your version is the only way to stop rape.

    • Callyson

      I love you, DSZ!

    • JustPixelz

      13. Avoid going to prison.

      • Doktor StrangeZoom

        Hahaha, because forced anal rape is HILARIOUS when it happens to men.

        Read the list. Read your comment. Think about the difference in focus.

        Repeat until you Get It.

        • JustPixelz

          I wasn't trying to be funny. In the manner of reversed perspective, my comment was meant to elicit the unwelcome reversed role the would-be rapist would find himself in.

          • Doktor StrangeZoom

            OK, ambiguity accepted, chiding withdrawn (but comment left up for the sake of discussion).

            On t'other hand, just as I don't think we should kill people to show that killing is wrong, I get no satisfaction from the idea of a convicted rapist being raped–and while I don't know of any studies on the matter, my guess is that a rapist sent to prison is probably more likely to rape other inmates than to be a victim.

          • Fare la Volpe

            a rapist sent to prison is probably more likely to rape other inmates than to be a victim

            You would be correct. Rape is about power, and a person pre-disposed to abusing power will do it no matter the victim. If they think raping another inmate will give them a leg-up in prison hierarchy, they'll do it. If they think rape will subdue a rival inmate from taking over their position, they'll do it. If they think rape will give them a slave who will be completely subordinate to their wishes, they will still do it.

            Between the lack of accountability in prisons, and male victims' general reticence at admitting they've been sexually abused, prison is in many ways an ideal locale for a committed rapist.

            I don't support the death penalty (not even for the bastards that put people in my shelter), but I am fully in favor of solitary confinement for violent sex offenders.

        • RavenRant

          Got to agree with you. All too many 'comedies' play the anal rape of men for laughs. (Get Him to the Greek, Shameless, dozens of others.)

          And the whole, ha ha, you're going to prison, you're gonna get raped, serves you right… It is just way too prevalent. Even among 'liberals' and 'progressives'.

          (JustPixels, this isn't directed at you, just addressing this topic in general.)

  • heywhat1

    "Those who side with the defendants are often the angriest. They opine that the victim enticed the men by wearing provocative clothes and flirting."

    WTF. This poor woman. Even her neighbor was attacked and beaten because they mistakenly thought it was her. This reminds me of the Halliburton rape case but without the convictions.

  • barto

    Thanks, I guess. At least this episode has a semi-good ending and a hopeful beginning. I wish the best for Jane.
    And boys, please just stop doing this kind of shit, FFS.

  • Chick-Fil-Atheist™

    From the article: Those who side with the defendants are often the angriest. They opine that the victim enticed the men by wearing provocative clothes and flirting. Some people go so far as to claim the girl's mere presence with partying men was a "green light" for a gangbang.

    Mating season in a Republican voting district.

    • e_z

      So the lack of a Chadri or Burqa is now a defense of the undefendable? Holy shit, Hanitty was right about creeping Sharia law!

  • Boojum

    ""You would think these people would take a clue," says Schroeder. "We're not going to tolerate that conduct. You can't have sex with someone who can't say, 'No.' Is that so hard to understand?"

    Well, duh, Ms. Smarty. You can't have sex with someone who CAN say no, so what about that, huh?

    • JustPixelz

      This can only mean Mitt Romney wants to make him Attorney General. Just like Dubya was neurotically compelled to out-do his father, Romney is compelled to out-Dubya, Dubya.

  • ttommyunger

    Any time someone like Corona gets such a build-up in the Media I start getting suspicious. They started pumping his image several years ago building him up so he could be used more effectively in higher and higher levels. Would it be too obvious to point out that things aren't always as they seem?

    • RavenRant

      Shades of Bernie Kerik. The right wing has really bad taste in men. And women.

      • Callyson

        The right wing has really bad men. And women.


      • ttommyunger

        Good point.

    • When it comes to the phrase "Conservative Christian", I always feel it's missing a third C-word; "Criminal".

      • RavenRant


      • ttommyunger

        I'm sure you could go on, but propriety restrains you….

    • Beowoof

      Ah, I would refer to this as the Joe Arpaio rule.

      • ttommyunger

        Bernie Kerick, also, too, as well as (as another Wonketeer pointed out).

        • horsedreamer_1

          Paul Barbeau!

  • RavenRant

    None of these scumbags went to prison for anywhere near long enough.

    CBS did a '48 Hours' on the case that was one of the most despicable, blame the victim, rape apologist pieces of crap ever produced. I still wonder how much Haidl paid for the major network blowjob.

  • WiscDad

    I'm sorry here folks…but first, didn't Zappa warn us about chicks from Rancho Cucamonga. On top of that…the pic makes her look like she's ready to relive the whole night….with gusto…(and nice looking actors from north Hollywood). I'm not buying this bullshit…not this time…not another gold digger bitch from Cali. Sorry again.

    • Dude, she was 16 at the time. This is a story that has been floating around SoCal for a long time. Don't confuse this girl with the Real Housewives of Orange County.

      • WiscDad

        I feel sorry for her..If I came out with all the bullshit that has happened to me (not a victim, granted) in my past, I could kill the reps of several politicians and business leaders…That aint right…sorry. If it was such a big fucking deal it should have been done at the time. I got no fucking respect.

      • Callyson

        Indeed…I remember how outraged I was at the first verdict (hung jury) and how happy I was when the second verdict finally brought some semblance of justice. And NO ONE, not even those brainless idiots on Real Housewives from Who Cares, deserves what she got…

        Christ, I remember being 16 and naive. Thank God I never ran into characters like the ones Jane Doe did…

    • RavenRant

      You are an ignorant pig. Go back to Not-So-Breitbart or wherever the fuck you came from.

      • WiscDad

        You have no idea what I'm about. You base your comment on one comment about an event that happened 10 years ago…and finally, this person want's to make some kind of statement…if THAT in itself is not "Breitbart" I don't know what is. Get a grip.

      • Callyson

        Don't you love it when someone tries to defend a comment by saying it is one comment about an event that happened ten years ago (yeah, maybe that's because we are discussing an event that happened ten years ago and the comment the person made about that even was exceptionally ignorant)?

        And don't you also love it when someone takes exception to a person making a statement about surviving said event (I suppose she should sit down in a quiet room someplace and not make a fuss just to make that person happy?)

        Personally, *I* love it when someone's reaction to a legitimate criticism of that person's ignorant comment is to tell the messenger to get a grip…

        • RavenRant

          Just one, simple, innocent comment suggesting a brutalized gang-rape victim was asking for it then, and is asking for all of the brutality and viciousness all over again. (Cuz now she dares to speak out for victims. Slut/Whore/Filth/Fuck Toilet!)

          Wutz ur problem, Libruhlz!?!

          Why, oh, why, can' I 'blend' on the Libruhlz website!?! Is being a pro-rape suckwad really so uncool?

    • tessiee

      What part of the night is she "ready to relive with gusto", according to you? The pool cue part or the lit cigarette part?

      • Callyson

        Apparently, the fact that the photo shows her standing up and prevailing, despite what happened to her, and being a strong woman is threatening…so, of course, she must be a slut or something…

        • Fare la Volpe

          But but but, she has boobies! In the frame! Clearly she's a giant slut.

      • RavenRant

        She's not in a Burqa, flagellating herself. But, hey, guys, he's just sayin'…

    • You might want to consider fucking yourself up the ass with a nail-studded baseball bat.

      Not saying you should. You might want to consider it, though.

      • Callyson

        I was going to write a reply to this troll along the lines that he (fair enough to assume this commenter is male given the username) needs to get over his hate and deal with his apparently serious mommy issues, but I think I'll settle for upfisting this suggestion instead…

      • RavenRant

        Thank you, Fred.

    • WiscDad

      Guess what fucksticks…Just because you are hardcore left wing liberal happy time activists does not mean you have lost your entire fucking sense of reality…get a goddamn grip on yourselves… this OLD ASS fucking news. This young lady's "coming out" is horse shit. Fuck that… who REALLY gives a shit. She's had more fucking therapy than Manson and it's probably why Cali taxpayers cry in their beer. Jesus Christ…if she had just had this fucking epiphany moment 10 years ago…fucking Schwazenegger would never have been governer

      • I'm sorry if I came off a little harsh. I didn't realize you were so stupid. Have fun canvassing for Scott Walker tomorrow.

        • Dogless_Heathen

          I think maybe he is Scott Walker.

      • thatsitfortheother1

        "hardcore left wing liberal happy time activists" = normal people.

      • I know I've been drinking, but I still have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. What the fuck does Schwarzenegger have to do with it? And as a Cali taxpayer, why would I cry in my beer? I'm happy to know my taxes aren't going to pay the salary of Don Haidl or his associates. Are you having a psychotic episode?

      • sewollef

        Cry in my beer? What the fuck are you talking about…. I might, just might mind you, cry in my Pinot Noir — but at your complete stupidity and total lack of sympathy for another human being.

        Fuck off back to WND

      • Doktor StrangeZoom

        I know that when I think of a 16 year old rape victim, my first impulse is always to compare her to Charles Manson.

      • commiegirl

        I care, WiscDad. She was videotaped being brutalized, unconscious, and I got to watch as Haidl's legal team showed a video of her while saying things like "she is drinking so she is not passed out, correct?" and the witness saying "oh yes she certainly is conscious" BECAUSE SHE WAS STILL DRINKING, and then, when she was unconscious but twitched on teh pool table because they'd just jammed their foreign objects into her, saying she had the wherewithal to withdraw consent because she had TWITCHED.

        Far from being a golddigger, she was a fucked-up kid. And yeah, she looks like a woman who's a hell of a lot older than 26 because she got strung out on meth for a few years afterward. After they had put up posters around her neighborhood with her picture, calling her a whore. And after one of the jurors who hung the first case WAS GIVEN A JOB with one of the defense lawyers.

        Gold digger? After her GANG-RAPE? Well, I would hope so. I don't remember if she got a fat fuckign settlement, but I hope she did. Not just for the gang-rape either, which was on the boys, but for the character assassination and living in fear, which was one hundred percent on Daddy.

        I give a shit, WiscDad. I am thrilled beyond measure, after all those years of watching the highs and lows of this case, to see that she is in school, and working, and not strung out, and alive. I am fuckign DELIGHTED that they didn't manage to beat her around the head with a rock and murder her. I am glad beyond measure to see that she is alive.

        I'm leaving your comments up so people can see what is still out there in this world. But you are not welcome here anymore. Go join FreeRepublic.

        • Doktor StrangeZoom

          So say we all.

        • CivicHoliday

          Thank you. There is NO CRIME, NO VIOLENCE that is warranted by somebody's actions or appearance. I don't give a shit how amazing their careers all turned out to be, they are rapists and deserve justice. Jesus.

        • horsedreamer_1

          Reminds me of a long ago classmate, if her life had an happy ending.

          (Long story: girl in my 8th grade algebra class got expelled in April 1994, along with her boyfriend (who was an asshole in my Spanish class). Never found out why; wasn't as good a gumshoe, back when. Anyway, she was barred from enrolling in a diistrict school for two years, & I cannot think of any other district that would take an expellee. (Especially given my hunch, in the last few years, she might have been into some Columbine before Columbine style planning.) Anyway, she lost about two years of her life — I remember walking past her after the grade 8 end of year picnic, she was waiting for a bus, I was walking home, & she already looked beaten by life — & never caught up. Nine years later, I saw her at our hometown's scuzziest strip club, showing off her ribs & pancaked breasts… It was weird to find out one's path in life can be chosen so early. At least I didn't find th nerve to ask why itvall came tumbling down. (Though, just a year ago, I could have found out, maybe — saw one of the middle school assistant principals (now, a superintendent in a nearby suburb) at th movies with his one teenage sons. I was tempted to ask, "So, you remember the '93-'94 school year in the Dirty Dirty? Well, I have to ask, what ever became of that freckled girl; why'd she get expelled?" But I didn't, since I was on the clock. (Bonus fact about the now-superintendent: met a dame about ten years younger who went to high school in his district & has a brother enrolled now, & she wad saying that the super hates special needs students, but mostly, autistic kids.))

        • Boojum

          Flaming the troll is something all of us would do; leaving his comments up as an object lesson commands respect.

          Hats off!

      • Groupshrug

        I'm sure if/when you get gang raped by a bunch of big dudes while you're unconscious, if you survive the attack, you'll be all like; "what ever, I'm over it now".

        Add in having your children, family, friends and neighbors knowing and seeing full details of your rape, a smear campaign against you and someone who looks like you getting almost killed…

        Then for the rest of your life, you will have no problems or flashbacks when you see other men that resemble the guys that raped you.

        No, your brutal rape will only leave you wanting to get raped again. You filthy little ass-slut. You know you like it.

    • CivicHoliday

      Are you fucking serious? Asshole.

    • What is wrong with you?

    • LagunaB

      Find a 10 story building. Go to the top floor. Jump put the window.

  • not that Dewey

    I cannot read that article. I opened it; I skimmed the first sentences of each paragraph. I even saw the pictures. I cannot read it. I tried. I really tried.

    I gave up watching Law and Order: SUV when my daughter was born, because rape (particularly child rape) is not a form of entertainment, no matter how hot Mariska Hargitay might be. I can't watch it anymore. I don't need to think about the horror, the humiliation, the dehumanization. I can be a good dad to a cool little girl without watching/reading about rape stories.

    Can we please go back to laughing at people falling asleep at a Mitt Romney campaign event?

    • Radiotherapy

      Same for the enhanced interrogation genre, Dewey. Saw, Hostel, etc.
      I don't want to be tortured, I don't want to see torture, I don't want to see its imagery or people suffering. Shame on you Cheney and fuck Yoo.

      • tessiee

        I don't mind some of those "guns, tits, and explosions" movies — they're entertaining trash at best, and don't pretend to be anything else — but I've never cared for those movies in which someone, usually a pretty young white woman, is tortured and dismembered.

        I've noticed that I also have a different, involuntary, reaction to movies with buildings blowing up than I did before 9/11. Without ever having thought about it, I "see" it differently now, and I suspect other people do, too. Watching it happen in real life took it out of the category of "entertainment", even in a fantasy environment (e.g., the ending of the anime "Metropolis", which was otherwise a pretty good movie).

        • Doktor StrangeZoom

          Excellent discussion of "rape as a lazy plot point" at Making Light from a short while ago.

          (Glad you liked RationalWiki– Making Light can be a similarly time-eating blog, but I always feel smarter after visiting)

      • not that Dewey

        it didn't feel like the wrong time or place
        until they cut off her clothes…

        I'm always contemplating whether kids are still cruel
        Oh. The kids are still cruel.

      • not that Dewey

        If you're experiencing anxiety, and can't/don't want to contact a doctor about anti-anxiety meds, Tylenol PM/benadryl will help you sleep, and is non-addictive. It will even settle your stomach. Don't take too much, or you'll be useless the next day.

        Get a bottle of that 3000% RDA B-complex, take one first thing in the morning. Repeat. That helps a lot.

        If you do get meds, try not to take them for more than a week, as addictive personalities have a funny way of becoming addicted to just about anything.

        And drink lots of water. Always good advice.

        When you're awake enough, you're gonna shake it off. It can be done. Good luck, and we'll be here.

      • not that Dewey

        Also, it turns out you and I have a mutual friend. If you need to reach me offline, get in touch with her.

    • Doktor StrangeZoom

      I understand perfectly, Dewey. Raise your daughter to be a confident, happy young woman. Those of us with sons will raise them to be feminists. Angry feminist boys who know that the world doesn't have to be the way it has been.

      • commiegirl

        Actually, it was this case specifically that gave me my first opportunity to explain to my son what rape is, and that he is NOT TO DO IT. He was eight. And somehow has managed to keep himself from raping people!

        • Doktor StrangeZoom

          It really is astonishingly easy not to rape someone. I'd have to say that I don't rape anyone every single day.

    • CivicHoliday

      I have a hard time with it, too. I've had friends who were sexually assaulted and am now a mom of a young daughter so this kind of stuff pushes my buttons in all the wrong kinds of ways.

    • Warwhatgoodfor

      I have a slightly differt take. First I have to agree Mariska is the hottest female on tv. Second, I don't know how she manages to do the show. At all.

      • Fare la Volpe

        Mariska is actually a really wonderful person, inside and out. She's founded the Joyful Heart Foundation, which helps sexual abuse victims recover their sense of self through meditation, yoga, writing, and animal therapy. She even puts out a magazine that focuses on self-care for social workers, especially ones who handle sexual assault.

        You can also read and watch her OP-ED about the VAWA here.

        She really is amazing.

        • tessiee

          I don't know very much about this actress, other than the fact that she's Jayne Mansfield's daughter, and was in the back seat during the car accident that killed her mother, but she seems like a very nice person. I read an interview with her when she was pregnant with her first baby, and she was quoted as saying how excited she was to be on the verge of becoming a mother, "because mothers are superheroes".

  • BarackMyWorld

    What the fuck is wrong with people?

    • BigSkullF*ckingDog

      This is why I hate everyone.

    • Man0nTheStreet

      Orange County Republican Politicians – that's what!

    • HistoriCat

      This should be the Wonkette motto.

  • Guppy

    Unfortunately, the Editrix's title lies.

    Haidl, who was caught writing off his son's legal defense as a fraudulent tax deduction, made out the best; after agreeing to surreptitiously wear a government body wire to record Carona discussing coverup efforts, he avoided prison and today enjoys mansion life in Las Vegas and Newport Coast.

    • CivicHoliday

      If there is a God, this fucker will fall off his yacht in Newport and be slowly dismembered by angry dolphins.

  • BigSkullF*ckingDog

    This story made me physically ill. Great way to start a Friday night. But also a story that needs to be told so I will swallow my bile and power through. No snark. No snark possible.

  • Callyson

    "In 2002, my world collapsed, and I lost everything I knew," she says. "But now I've turned a horrible situation into a positive. I've taken my life back."


  • aguacatero

    And to think that until I read this I had such a romantic vision of the Orange County car dealer millionaire/millionaire/sheriff/Republican-political-aspirant/rapist set.

  • fuflans

    well good. i needed a reason to closet myselt with king lear, crime and punishment and the major writings of camus.

  • Callyson


    She already knows the central message of her speech at the upcoming victims' march.
    "I want to send hope and to inspire other sexual assault victims," she says. "I want women to know that they can go to the depths of hell and still make it out."

    Can we hear more from her, and less from the idiots and assholes in the Republican Party who are waging the war on women?

  • GeneralLerong

    Interesting how the story baited in a sexual predator troll ["the pic makes her look like she's ready to relive the whole night….with gusto"].

    Editrix, you're having The Usual Crew check out what rock this grub lives under and where its day job is, right?

    • Boojum

      If not, sign me up as Seal Team 5 3/4.

  • BarackMyWorld

    Orange County sounds really messed up. Maybe Rebecca should just write a book about OC politics. I'd buy it if she did.

  • Wow.. I guess I was living in a bubble because I'd never heard of this case until just now (just one state away)… I applaud this woman for her bravery and willingness to speak out after such trauma and injustice. I'm a cynical atheist, but if God helps her in any way, the power is truly hers. Goddamn.

  • Madfall

    The only problem with the title is that they didn't all end up in prison for long enough. Which would have been in prison forever.

  • valgal2342

    When is the "War on the Penis" going to start?

    • JustPixelz

      Already started. It's more of a civil war. I beat my penis until it gives up. But later it comes back for another beating. It is a war without end.

      • SudsMcKenzie

        Mine is more of a Naval battle, all hands on deck!

      • Fare la Volpe

        I hear you beat it until it spits up. That's so cruel.

        • tessiee

          Yeah, be nice to the peen. Take it for a walk. It's already got the little rollers.

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    Wait … California law about defense lawyers paying jurors needed "altering"?

  • Bezoar

    Okay, I read it. And I think I'm a better person for having done so. But I can't say I enjoyed it.

  • Hera Sent Me

    There are people who make me ashamed to be one.

    There are people who fill me with awe that such as they exist.

    This story is about both types.

  • gizdal

    this story mentions a side-line that is strange- was it really the practice in Cal. for
    defense lawyers to pay jurors?
    sounds unusual.
    can some lawyer in CA comment on this?

    perhaps jurors should be paid by both sides. it would be like the Supreme Court PAC decision- money talks!

  • SayItWithWookies

    "I don't dwell on the things that used to make me cry—like seeing a pool table," Doe says. "I finally came to the point where I realized I was destroying myself and [my attackers] were winning every day I made bad choices that didn't let me grow."

    Damn right — perseverance is the best revenge. I'm glad she had the help and the tenacity and willpower to get to where she is, especially while withstanding that onslaught from the town's allegedly most respectable citizens. Thanks for posting this, Rebecca.

  • misanthrope

    This could be an episode of 'My So Called Life'! Where was Brian Krakow god dammit!???!?!?

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