Tucker Carlson’s Daily Caller got quite a lot of bad press recently for its Derbyshirian coverage of the Trayvon Martin case, including getting called out by Joe Scarborough for being “disgusting,” “warped,” “twisted and distorted” and “beneath contempt.” But now they have a case where they don’t have to call the victim names and explain to all the world why she probably had it coming. What are the main similarities between the Trayvon Martin case in Florida and the Summer Moody case in Alabama? Well, both teens were the same age, 17, when they were shot by folks who stated they were acting within the law in trying to protect property with deadly force. What are the main differences? Only Summer Moody was actually trying to break into someone’s property at the time. Plus, she’s white.
A coastal community next door in Alabama is suffering over its own tragic episode that shares some similarities with the Sanford, Fla. case.
The Mobile Press-Register reported that 17-year-old Summer Moody, a star high school volleyball player in Baldwin County, Ala., was shot in the head April 15 after authorities said she and three other teens were caught breaking into a fish camp early in the morning.
Three men who found the teens trespassing on the Gravine Island property admitted to firing the shots that hit Moody.
Authorities said they believe the teens — who, with the exception of Moody, have been charged with first-degree burglary — were committing a theft at the time of the shooting.
Moody is still alive, but an attorney for her family has said she has a very little chance of survival.
That is sad and awful, and we are terribly, terribly sorry. Has every single one of us tried to break in somewhere when we were dumb 17-year-old assholes, either for good-old-fashioned thieving, or for good-old-fashioned vandalism and fuck-padding? Yes. Yes, every single one of us has. But maybe the possibly lethal injury to this pretty young white girl, who is the exact preferred shade of blonde to make it big on Nancy Grace, will lead to changes in the law that the death of a handsome young black boy couldn’t, because he had traces of marijuana in a baggie once. [DailyCaller]
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One time at fish camp…
It must be tough lighting those camp fires underneath the lake so the fish can toast marshmallows.
Too soon, man.
(IOW, you beat me.)
I hate myself for laughing at that.
I feel so bad for laughing at that.
But was she wearing a hoodie?
Even our hoodies can't protect us now…
Right after Trayvon got shot, we were discussing the public wearing of hoodies, and my exact words on the subject were "the only people who look good in hoodies are female high school basketball and volleyball players. But perhaps I've said too much."
Perhaps I did. Ladies, lose your hoodies, for the love of God. It's open season out there.
I saw a Gatorade ad on ESPN last nite, & it featured U.S. Ambassador for Headers & Beautiful Goals Abby Wambach — & I… Jizzed… In my pants
She's a woman, so I'm surprised DC doesn't think she had it coming because of how she was dressed.
In Virginia you can shoot someone in the vagina even without being threatened.
But it had teeth! TEETH!
It's so hard to run away with that aspirin between your knees.
Has every single one of us tried to break in somewhere when we were dumb 17-year-old assholes, either for good-old-fashioned thieving, or for good-old-fashioned vandalism and fuck-padding?
No.
But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express!
Not at 17. I had moved on from b and e because it was so damn hard to get in anywhere good. Now shoplifting – there's a habit that never gets old.
I kid – the statute of limitations is well and truly past on any of my property crimes.
That one made me think, too. I also never broke or entered. I did some things that could have got me killed, but mostly in the privacy of my own old beater car.
Shit I did. When you're 17, smoking a ton of pot and listening to the Misfits alot a cemetery is a cool place to fuck.
Probably a Skittles gangster like Trayvon.
Oops, I though that was a picture of the woman
killed byfound dead by Joe Scarborough…I thought she was the one who got lost in Aruba.
Damn white girls! Who can tell them apart?
They all look alike to me!
You ever wonder if Mika Bryzezinksi has a stack of TRO's pre-printed with Scarborough's name on them, just in case?
Easy mistake, they all looke alike to him.
I thought you had to be in fear for your life in order use deadly force. Maybe the shooters thought she was going to come over and spike their asses.
Not in Alabama. You can be in fear of someone else's life, or in fear that someone's about to get kidnapped, or just cold shootin' someone who's in the process of breaking in to a dwelling, regardless of whether currently occupied or not.
Since I'm not convinced fish camp counts as a dwelling, the shooter here might be in trouble.
Yeah, this is more a question of classic "castle doctrine" than the expanded stand your ground laws like are at issue in the Trayvon case. I know that in Indiana they had a pretty expansive view of "dwelling", and included pretty much your whole lawn in the definition of "curtilege" for purposes of where you could shoot. So a shooting at the fence line might cut it if a "camp" otherwise qualifies as a "dwelling" – which I would hope it wouldn't, but there are more than a few lawyers who would argue it does since some crazy loon somewhere probably lives in one year round.
BerkeleyBear:
I think you did a nice job of summarizing the situation.
The whole idea that someone could be shot to "protect property" that the shooter isn't even in, is a terrible idea. It's one thing to be in the bedroom with your wife and kids, fighting off an intruder.
It's quite another to gun down somebody breaking into a "fish camp" that is probably worth about $1.98. To what purpose did this young lady die?
Their excuse for these laws is that all break-ins to dwellings are potential kidnappings/rapes/murders/skullfuckings.
This is the kind of thing that happens when you make a prolonged and largely successful attempt to keep an entire population in a perpetual state of fear.
Curtilege? Sounds French.
I suggest we do with our guns as we did with Bordeaux prior to the Iraq War — dump 'em in the sewer.
Seems two of the "protectors" had recent cocaine felony problems. Thinking maybe they weren't protecting some old fish camp.
"Recent" is a little bit of a stretch: their cocaine convictions where in the '90s, Hearn's more recent legal trouble was related to a violation of his terms of release.
If the shooter had a felony conviction, that probably means their gun possession was unlawful, which would mean they can't resort to SYG/Castle Doctrine as a defense in the shooting.
I have no snark. The stupid has saddened my heart. I await word from our racist overlords as to why this is a black man's fault.
Or Al Gore's.
And not just any black man. Yep, it'll be Obama's fault.
Well, he is the president. Ergo everything bad that happens in America is ultimately his fault.
The real victim here is $arah, of course.
In Alabama, its legal to shoot someone for knocking on your door to ask directions, if they are a furriner.
This is the new thing in the South, they should call it "Pre-emptive Lynching." Just like W's idea for pre-emptive war. But with lynching.
This could come in handy when the Witnesses come knocking.
Catchphrase:
"I'm Baptist" (blowing the smoke away from the barrel)
Or show up thinking you are having a Halloween party, but they have the wrong address and speak funny. Louisiana/Baton Rouge a few years back, kid was Asian, shooter was a moron. But let's hear it for those 2d Amendment rights.
More than anything, an IQ test should be required before a gun can be acquired. Ther problem isn't armed citzens per se, it's armed dumbfucks.
So is the Daily Callers against Stand Your Ground? I thought they were for it with the smearing of Martin. Now I haz teh Confuzed.
They are for it for the Blahs. Against it for the Whitze.
As a practical matter, I don't think it ever applies when a blah shoots a white. Blahs are presumptively threatening, and whites are always in fear of them.
I'm sure those good ol' boys were just trying to keep anyone from finding their stash of lingerie and vaseline.
Tranny porn and pink dildos?
And "gravy" for their biscuits.
These guys would get het up over carp in camisoles, gars in garters, flounders in (wait for it) fishnets?
Well…it would be a funny old world if we were all the same, eh?
Dear Mother Tucker,
I also think shooting the pretty white girl was fucking crazy.
Sincerely,
Someone with a few functioning brain cells
p.s. The bow tie makes you look unquestionably straight
I'm a little confused here. This chick was actually burglarizing an establishment while Trayvon was walking down a sidewalk–yeah, I guess that's absolutely the same thing in AL.
Remember now, Trayvon actually walked toward Zimmerman, and looked right at him, and looked high, too. (Zimmmerman's lies to the police, in that phone call, when he is so obviously trying to set up his justification for shooting, they are so ludicrous and obvious ["he put his hand in his waistband"] that to me, they prove premeditation, which makes it a 1st degree capital case).
From the first time I heard it, it sounded like the South Park episode where Ned and Jimbo go hunting. Every time they see an animal, no matter the size or species, Jimbo yells " it's coming right at us" before firing off a few rounds. I assume because most hunting license limits come with self-defense exceptions, but apparently it works with people, too.
A bunch of teenagers broke into a building and were met with gunfire? Does Alaska have one of those legalized vigilantism, I mean stand your ground, laws? This has to make the Palin scions very nervous.
Alaska is so small your cousin is likely to be the sheriff.
no, alaska thought about such a bill but did not pass it, much to the consternation of some.
If Tucker had a daughter, she would look like Summer.
If Tucker had a functioning testicle, you mean.
Please don't make us think about Tucker's testes.
Misery loves company, my friend.
Dave Pirner drinks to that.
He has a bow tie around the scrotum
I just assume he got that name because he tucked it all in, like Jame Gumb.
If Tucker had a daughter, the roofies worked.
I once sat across from Tucker Carlson and Chris Matthews at the Palm with the newly crowned Miss America. (This was shortly after Tucker joined Chris at MSNBC – 2006 maybe?). Chris Matthews, despite being married to an attractive local news anchor, was all over Miss America with flattery and attention. Tucker arrived to the luncheon late, and he basically ignored Miss America the whole time, talking instead to his battleaxe producer (Tammy Haddad, I think) he arrived with. I remember thinking to myself that Tucker may be gay.
Shooting before asking questions is just fucking stupid, no matter the colour of the one shot, you stupid mouth-breathing, trust-fund enjoying, hate-mongering, ridiculously-attired cunt.
Yeah, but if you ask questions first, you might get an answer that makes you have to not shoot – and what fun would that be?
Yeah, I'd say standing your ground over a fucking FISH CAMP, is worth at least four lives.
I did wonder what you were going to steal from a fish camp. I didn't realize fish even went to camp.
And I speak from fish camps that each process at least 5,000 lbs. worth of salmon to get the families through each winter. That fish is gold, it is literally life-preserving sustenance.
Palin likes to go after Obama as a $4 a gallon President. She was a $11 a gallon quarter-term 20 hours a week co-Governor with a GED 1st Dude.
That added to the residuals from the socialist permanent fund…
Cute 17 year olds being cute 17 year olds should not be shot at for it. The gun laws in the stupid country are fucking insane.
How I pine for the days when the cranky neighbor would just call your parents when you climbed his fence to get your baseball.
One of my neighbors has a WiFi identity of "Get-off-my-LAN!" He's not shooting us with virtual bullets.
If he's using WEP it would be hilarious to hack his router and change the SSID.
My favorite SSID was "SeriesOfTubes".
Change it to "Al-Qaeda sleeper cell."
I know what you guys are saying is funny, I just don't understand it. It's above my pay-grade, which is a big admission for an Alaskan.
I don’t know what fish camps are like Alabama but around here there is nothing worth stealing. Even if that fish camp was stocked with 50 cases of 1986 Château Lafite Rothschild I am appalled that its protection could justify one child’s death.
Looks to me like the Alabama statute protects dwellings, not all properties. The shooter might actually be in trouble on this one.
But, Stand Your Ground laws are about public/other-peoples'-property, not about your property.
Other peoples' property, not public property (with one exception, see below). Public property is commie nazi soshulism, after all. The language of the Alabama SYG/Castle Doctrine law is that you can start cold shootin' anyone breaking into "a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or federally licensed nuclear power facility".
Breaking into a barn would certainly not provide cover for someone to shoot you. Breaking into an unoccupied vehicle does not place you in danger of (legally sanctioned) summary execution. Does a fish camp count as a dwelling? If not, shooter's in trouble. If the argument hinges on occupancy at the time, the shooter had good cause to know – and from the press coverage, has exhibited knowledge that – the camp was unoccupied.
It might be moot anyway, if the shooter was either of the two men in the party of three who had a felony conviction. If you're performing an illegal activity at the time of the shooting – such as being a convicted felon in possession of a firearm – you cannot invoke SYG.
I suspect all of this is why the party that included the shooter are saying they were firing "warning shots" and didn't mean to hit anyone. Like that story passes the sniff test.
Have you seen the prices for copper river salmon?
In 'bama you're talking catfish. Copper River Salmon costs more because it doesn't taste like mud.
Is that some kind of racial thing?
/kidding
Baldwin County Sheriff Huey “Hoss” Mack
Mack "Huey" Hoss
Hoss "Mack" Huey
Sounds like a dumb redneck in any order.
Don't be mackin' on the hoss.
Last week when I had a cold I was doing a lot of "Hoss Mack Huey"… you know, to get rid of the phlegm.
Obviously we should be thinking of wounding all teenagers when they're about 13; that way they'll be less likely to engage in dangerous behavior in the future. Breaking into places if white, walking down the street if black.
Maybe just shoot 'em in the spine, so they'll be in wheelchairs for the rest of their lives, and need disability benefits/socializms/etc.
I would be my right arm that Tucker Carlson broke into someone's house on the Hamptons as a teenager looking to score a fine single-malt. Or maybe it was his (actual) brother – Buckley Swanson Peck Carlson. Either way, is it OK if i shoot him retroactively?
Can anyone tell me why my comment (that merely, a la Ken Jennings, expresses pleasure at the arrival of rulers who may be a little too eager to engage the finger-activated operating lever of a firearm) would be objectionable?
It's a TREGger?
(there's your hint)
Yeah?
Where are Seth and Amy when you need them?
So using the T-happy term gets your comments banned by, well, a T-happy admin (or at least a hair-T filter)? That's meta shit right there.
Wait, I knew r-e-t-a-r-d was banned, but t-r-i-g-g-e-r is banned too? That's fucking ret@rded.
Stand Your Fish Camp? Fucking hell. What's next? Stand Your Swimming Pool From Horny Teenagers Wanting To Skinny-Dip?
Them little fuckers better stay out of my pool, or they'll get a taste of 500 volts and 1 ampere from my pet electric eel Sparky. Then I'll release my pet school of piranha.
Even if she's hot and naked??
Sparky is there to ensure she is "hot".
Why murder when you can rape?
I think that "skinny dipping" is an exception written into the law, frankly
Under traditional self-defense principles, you were never justified to use "deadly force" to protect mere property, only your life. These laws allow the use of deadly force to protect not only yourself, but also, your stuff. Its insane, yes, but, well, angry wingnut gun-fetishists are insane, aren't they? And come on, half of all the gun nuts in the world, all they dream of is the day they will be able to "legitimately" shoot someone, the whole guns worship thing is about giving losers the ability to imagine they are powerful and important.
Jason was just defending Crystal Lake from those awful teenagers, everything he did was totally legal!
Awful teenagers is redundant, no?
True; those raging hormones make those creatures completely horrible.
RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!
I never understood why, as I heard grown-ups call them when I was a wee lass in South Carolinny, certain restaurants were known as a fish camp. "Come for the fish; stay for the.. __?__"
Camp?
Except no one 'camped' at these ones. You ate and went home like at any other dining establishment — except these were really laid-back in setting, off in the country situated in an old-house structure or sometimes a trailer.
We have them in FL as well. And some of them can be downright terrifying. (by that I mean the other "patrons").
Fish sexing?
transvestites in uncommonly gaudy attire?
Bingo! I meant, y'know, "camp".
Deep trout?
Dixie the Tranny is a big Madonna fan, so she's gonna do her version of "Like A Sturgeon" for the floor show.
What is his point–that Stand your ground/shoot first, ask questions later laws are OK as long as they are color-blind?
I think his point is, "I need an excuse for the terrible things I said before." So at least this lovely, misguided girl didn't die in vain.
Three men, at least one of whom was armed. Four teens b & e, at least one of which was female. Oh, ya, I'd be afeered for my life, too, if I was one of the men – no choice but to blow one of the kid's heads off.
With the latitude of that law, I would not want to be a paper boy in AL.
With the latitude of that law, I would not want to be
a paper boyin AL.FIFY
With the latitude of that law, I would not want to be a paper boy in AL.
Right? All you need is some Civil War vet-wannabe suffering from a severe case of faux-PTSD and suddenly that paper looks like an incoming cannonball and shit happens.
My guess is, they were going in to pull a train. what place could possibly be better for teenaged sexytime than a fish camp, amirite?
I first ran into bullshit like this in California, where the guys guarding the weed patches all shoot first and give a shit never. At least there self-defense only worked as an allowable argument (don't know if it ever actually worked at trial, just the legal justification to bring it up) if the teens looking to steal your crop had something resembling a firearm – like a flare gun or bb gun they idiotically thought would scare the pot grower.
George Will (the other bowtied weenie) says it would be OK for the Supreme Court to find incarceration of a teenager for life to be cruel and unusual. As long as there's no state action, though, shooting them dead on suspicion is just fine.
Well…our courts are overcrowded.
Obama and the liberals have loosened Merka's morals and that's why she died. Fox will report soon that she was on birth control and thus had it coming.
I have a concealed carry permit for Florida. In every shooting class I have taken we are reminded of the safety issues and must abide by strict range rules.
It was emphasized in the required classroom training that SYG does not exist for the protection of property. We were told NEVER shoot ANYONE unless that is the LAST means of self defense. Turn around, RUN, seek help, but don't kill a human just because you think you can get away with it and certainly not over property.
I think this guy in Alabama should go to jail for murder.
Aside from the fact that you don't need a concealed-carry permit to get a gun, what you were taught in the class seems to be counter to actual case law in Florida at the moment.
Two things:
1. Gun shows.
2. Whatever you were taught, these laws do, indeed, say that you can simply shoot someone if you feel threatened and you don't have to retreat if you are in public (you already don't have to try to retreat if you are on your own property.)
This is clearly what the Founding Fathers had in mind.
That Shakespeare rod and Penn Senator reel he was protecting were easily worth 5 or 6 hundred dollars.
You can have my Fenwick when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers!
Whoa, wait, that was a figure of speech!
My Zebco 303 is priceless to me!
My kids' learn to fish Spongebob Special was priceless to me – literally, I gave it away for nothing when they outgrew it.
I recently saw a Breitbart comment to that effect — that George Zimmerman something something Obama took away our guns.
I had to blow my cover and respond "Yes – If only George Zimmerman had been armed, none of this would have happened."
I hope you responded, "Really? That sounds great!"
My wife has to work with idiots like this occasionally. After one wouldn't stop yakking along these lines (and wifey couldn't leave because they were traveling together) Mrs. Bear asked what the source of these thoughts was. When the response was "Fox News" the laughter was uncontrollable and finally silenced the speaker temporarily.
Sambos restaurants are back?
The food is a little blah…
It was a nice fish, who went wherever I did go…
A fish, a fish, a fishy-O.
Fish heads, fish heads, roly-poly fish heads….
If only Summer had been carrying, she might be walking today — Wayne LaPierre
No blame here – this teenage fish thievery has got to stop….also, Stand Yer Ground is going to be big with all the returning PTSD troops…
What was she doing at the fish camp? Shouldn't she have been in Aruba, getting roofied by some Van der Sloot wannabe?
My sister, Nancy lives in Mobile. It's a hellhole that smells like mummy meat. Wait, Nancy and Mobile fit the same description.
"Mummy meat"?
Mr. and Mrs. Moody,
Sorry for your loss. It is a sad and stupid thing.
D.R.
you needed a poster child for "don't shoot someone in the head"?
The Republicans and the right wing claim to love "sacred human life". They will do anything or support any law to protect life. Vaginal probes? No problem. Requiring doctors to read a statement about abortion. (Literally placing that script between doctor and patient.) Cut life saving Planned Parenthood services because fungible money may find its way to the abortionplex.
But when it comes to guns, they want to make it legally easier to kill someone. "Don't retreat, reload." If life is truly sacred, they should pass a law requiring people to turn both other cheeks and retreat before using a gun. OH WAIT! That was the law before "stand your ground".
Perhaps we should just say a woman who sadly chooses an abortion is merely standing her ground against a uterine trespasser.
Your right to life does not overrule the property line of
mysomebody else's kind of near me fishing camp. The one thing more sacred than life is property.Dude, you're going all Poe's law here. They genuinely believe that.
"Has every single one of us tried to break in somewhere when we were dumb 17-year-old assholes, either for good-old-fashioned thieving, or for good-old-fashioned vandalism and fuck-padding? "
Not I, but then I did just about every other kind of juvenile delinquency. I was a thug, a shark with no teeth, a jet with no thrust. Hell, my pals and I even stole Christmas lights…fucking Christmas lights at Christmas Time, for the sole reason of throwing them at each other.
As I was reading this, I flashed back to the Great Christmas Light Caper where I hoisted my friend on my shoulder so he could reach more lights. We were standing right outside of what I thought was a bedroom. If Florida had Stand Your Ground laws back then, my screen name would be Bullet Riddled Corpse instead of DB.
Breitbart.com: "WONKETTE: HOME TO ADMITTED CRIMINALS"
That was you? I had MY Christmas lights stolen off my house, on Christmas eve. You little brat.
Thank you for not unloading a 12-guage in my chest.
You do realize, of course, that stealing those Christmas lights made Baby Jesus cry.
Oh man, if I had a nickel for every time I stole something when I was young … I could purchase one round of jacketed 9 mill round and blow some fucking teenagers head apart. Assuming all the paranoid religious nuts did not get to wal mart before me and empty the shelves of ammo.
I just read this bit from TDC…
“They are not vigilantes,” Dasinger told WPMI in Mobile. “They were simply trying to help out their neighbors.”
Wait a minute….it wasn't even their own property they were blood lusting over?
If it wasn't their property, wtf were THEY doing there?!
It was the place next door to where the shooters were. Fishing camps can be shacks or fancy but their purpose in southern life is partying. I'd suspect the kids were looking for booze more than fishing gear.
Don't get shot in the head by fishing camp guys. Get rid of your cable and switch to DirecTV.
"When you have cable, you're forced to watch 24 hour a day coverage of Kim Kardashian…"
Ok., I'm back. I had to uninstall/reinstall my browsah. I accidentally read some of the comments and soiled my internet machine.
Your series of tubes got clogged with shit?
I am constantly impressed at the level of marksmanship displayed by my nation's vigilantes. USA!USA!USA!
This comment from "John" appeared in a local newspaper: "After 42 years of work in the justice system, I'm still amazed at how often the public fails to understand or even care about the facts, the law, and the cause of tragedies like the shooting of Summer Moody. Its no wonder that these tragedies seem to continue in spite of the billions of dollars and reams of rhetoric we throw at them. Democracy only works and problems like this are only solved when the public (or most of the public, at least) is educated enough to make informed decisions rather than just spewing nonsense at each other. While the Baldwin County Sheriff and District Attorney may need to protect their case, they also have the responsibility of informing the public as to what is going on in their community and what is permissible conduct and what is not. The local D.A. initially described the Summer Moody shooting as a stand your ground/self defense situation; saying essentially that: when you are in a place you are legally entitled to be in and someone threatens you, you can shoot them. While this may be true generally if you are threatened with deadly force or great bodily harm, it is certainly not true if the only threat is an unarmed girl hiding in the bushes or four kids running away – even from a burglary."
LIke that matters. The whole fucking country is practically buried in guns and ammo, and half the population is a bunch of uneducated, paranoid morons. This is the result.
Wait a minute. I thought fishing with guns was illegal everywhere.
Naw, just fishing w/ hand grenades.
So, hey, t's been a whole week since I had a reason to post this. Remember, kids, the gun control debate is over. The guns won.
Slut had it coming, obvs.
She's getting off easy. Not even charged with burglary. Sheesh. What do you bleeding hearts want?!
I too did stupid shit when I was 17… only I was 19 and now have a felony record that still can be a pain in the ass (28 years later).
But, it is not this… thank God.
I wonder if those fishing camp guys were maybe drunk? I know where I would put my money.
Pedophiles, Fish Stealers and lastly, Wife Beaters. The Alabama hierarchy of unspeakable crimes.
So not only is the Daily Caller defending a white person getting shot over these "stand your ground" laws, but they are also defending them against the very thing these laws were meant to do.
Which of course makes the racism from their earlier nonsense even more apparent.
But not to whom the laws were meant to do it.
Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "fish camp?"
I'm baffled too. We must be urbans.
It's like a hunting camp only damper, less decorated, and more Deliverance-y
I am confused by the Daily Caller's point in telling us this horrifically sad story. It seems to me it nails the case for how bad "stand your ground" laws are when anybody can pretty much shoot (children) first and ask questions later. It's also completely irrelevant to questions about racial profiling in the Martin case since Trayvon was only walking and not breaking into anything when Zimmerman murdered him.
(Sorry for the lack of snark)
This touches home. I have a friend whose daughter played volleyball with Summer.
No one should be executed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I want to vomit.
The MSNBC story states that the fishermen fired their weapons after the kids started running away. Ahem. They shined spotlights on the kids, they ran, and then the guys popped off a couple of warning shots AFTER THE KIDS WERE RUNNING AWAY FROM THEM and that's when the girl was hit.
I'm so glad to learn that "Stand Your Ground" doesn't come with an expiration time. Threaten me once and you better keep running for the rest of your lives, kids.
If only Moody was armed .
That's not fun at all, that is incredible sad. All of it everything thats going on around these stupid fucking laws is sad and full of angering.
Oh, I've got one, from quite some time ago. Drunk (white, college) kid stumbles into wrong house, gets shot and killed.
Sad thing is, the parents of this kid were quoted (not in linked article) as saying they thought the homeowner was within his rights. And no, the homeowner was not charged.
Just sick.
http://lubbockonline.com/stories/061207/loc_06120…
It seems to me that the "stand your ground" laws are fast becoming ways to discipline those unruly teenagers.
Burglary is not a Capital Offense in any jurisdiction. There are very good reasons for this. We have enough gun violence in this Country to suck up everybody else's limit without idiotic laws like SYG. The NRA Pussyfarts that rammed this euphemistic piece of shit legislation through should be run out of town on a fucking rail.
Tarred and feathered, no doubt. (Now where the hell can I get my hands on some tar and feathers these days???)
No.
I came out of my teenaged years with an unabiding, seething hatred of teenagers.
He's a douche, (insert Mika head bob)…. at least he didnt kill someone in '93
Having carried a firearm in some extremely dangerous places, I can tell you that unless you have the weapon in your hands and you're stalking around like Dirty Harry on the Combat Course, you're just not very likely to be able to do squat against somebody who is already doing that. You don't have the time to pull your weapon out and shoot somebody who is already drawing a bead on you.
You could issue every student in a particular high school or college a firearm and an armed intruder could still kill a number of them before the students or teachers could kill the bastard. You are much more likely to have accidental discharges resulting in injury or death or suicide by the issued firearms than anything else. You have a better chance of winning the lottery than you do of being involved in a workplace or school shooting, but "If only they were carrying" is still the prevailing wisdom throughout the land.
Hey, gun lovers. It's about money, you tools. Weapons and ammo are expensive and the NRA is telling you this shit so you'll buy more of it and make them even more wealthy.
Yeah, I can remember being in the Army and doing field exercises where we had M60s and M16s with MILES gear on them and despite the fact that we were armed with fully-automatic weapons an amazing number of us ended up as "casualties" from enemy fire. In fact I can go even better than that, in my younger days I spent a lot of time running around Fort Lewis and Yakima Firing Center in an M60 and an M-1 tank with MILES gear fitted to it and despite the fact that I was in an armored vehicle and prepared to kill ended up as a casualty a lot of the time, and made a lot of other tankers casualties as well. You'd think that conservatives, with their vast military experience, would understand this. Oh wait, conservatives, military experience? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. What was I thinking?
I was with the 2nd Battalion, 47th Infantry. 1974 Ft. Lewis (undefeated) football champions. Yup, I spent 18 months with the 9th Division there at Ft. Lewis. Went to Yakima Firing Center for 106mm Recoilless Rifle training. Dusty place, practically covered with dud munitions.
You're right. It takes a lot of experience with weapons to keep from fucking up with one. The NRA guys are more like Ted Nugent than actual warriors.
Holy crap. Being a glutton for paranoia and stupidity I started reading the comments on the Daily Caller website and then the comments on the local paper's website. Those people are insane. The shooter wasn't even in the fish camp that was broken into. He came from across the island when he heard a noise. He claimed that it was a "warning shot" he fired that hit her in the BACK of the head with. General consensus among mouth breathers: You break into an Alabama fish camp, you get shot..
I know; I did the same thing with reading the comments. I saw a lot of, "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time." Mercifully, I don't live in Alabama, but I suspect that "the time" for a crime like B&E or burglary is not execution. I cannot comprehend people who think it is ok for a teenager to be shot in the head for this.
Where is Joe Pickett when we need him? (Anybody else read those C.J. Box novels?)
Oh wait, better yet Nate Nomanowski should have let loose his falcons on those dumb-sh*t hunters.
I hope I'm wrong, but the shooting may not be over in this case. You know that girl's daddy has a gun and isn't going to sit back and shut up about his daughter being shot in the head.
No kidding.
Whatever happened to just puttin' a boot in their ass? Why the guns, too, now? — Toby Keith
Is it just me, or is the world getting nuttier by the minute?
It's getting nuttier. Good people must stick together.
Thanks for that, Star. You have restored my faith in good people.
And you mine. ;)
Hopefully her parents will stand their ground as soon as these guys make bail. I hear grief feels a lot like being threatened.
Liberals need to start buying guns and spending lots and lots of time at the range. I suggest using a picture of Tucker Carlson as a target.
You libtards don't get it. Stand your ground laws are totally necessary. Why if the libtards in Washington State hadn't passed all sorts of laws preventing people from owning guns the four on-duty cops that Maurice Clemmons gunned down in November of 2009 would have had guns and been able to shoot back at him and they wouldn't have died.
yeah, but see…she was a hot blonde girl who clearly couldn't hurt someone. Unlike that menacing black thug N0Ba…er…Trayvon.
To be fair, living in a country where I could get my head blown off for stopping to ask for directions adds a dimension of excitement to modern life.
my country sometime makes me sad.
My country makes me sad every day.
Given that this break-in occured in when during darkness, I'd not be surprised to find they shot at her because they thought she was a blah.
Seriously, though, this is so fucked up…and the depressing this is that even as eternally hopeful as I am about a lot of our social illnesses, I don't see this one changing in my lifetime. This nation is so GD paranoid, so 'effing scared and guilty…and what for?
Maybe they should change their stand-your-ground law to a pick-up-the-damn-phone-and-call-the-cops-before-you-decide-to-snipe-at-teens-making-mischief-from-across-the-lake law.
They should probably also give the cops some "don't repeat what the person who just shot someone else gave as their excuse to stay out of jail as if it's established fact" training.
'Cuz the sherriff in this case is saying the bullet that hit Summer in the back of the head was a "warning" shot. Head shots aren't fucking warning shots.
Your penis score is 7 points above mine, so I am NOT going to explain why naming a wi-fi network "Al-Qaeda sleeper cell" is a bad idea.
I've been languishing at this number forever, you'll surpass me right quick. To my credit, I knew the Al-Qaeda thing.
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