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The Refuterer: Margaret Thatcher Was Not Actually Ronald Reagan’s Secretary

Ronald Reagan with his secretary -- oh no we did it again! has our number, along with a new feature, “Wonkette Refuted,” responding to a “randomly chosen” article from Your Wonkette! The first victim? GOP To Ronald Reagan’s Secretary: Pay Those Taxes Harder! Unfortunately, this self-described “group of old men lamenting the destruction of the nation” seems to be unfamiliar with how the actual process of refuting is done. Since there are so many refutes in this very excellent and soundly argued article (2.5), we will simply never be able to address them all, and will have to mostly limit ourselves to their primary “refute” from Old Man Rooster, concerning the picture accompanying the article, as well as the “hover tag” (fancy internet speak, don’t worry about it):

First, I think it should be noted that picture accompanying the piece is of Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher, not Reagan and his secretary as one is led to believe when hovering over it with a mouse. Can’t even get the picture right?

Wonkette regrets the error. Preemptively, Wonkette also regrets using this photo in an earlier post, which is not actually Mitt Romney, but rather is Scrooge McDuck:

This mistake is unforgivable, and we will do better in the future. To make amends, here is a collection of photos and tags used previously which are factual and accurate:

The rest of’s story is a bunch of nonsense, and there is no refutering jibber-jabber like Joe Lieberman’s, which they cited approvingly, about how you cannot ask the wealthiest among us to pay more taxes because the uncertainty of whether or not they will pay more taxes is keeping them from investing the “billions” on which they are sitting. See, the thing about uncertainty is once a higher tax rate is agreed upon, the “uncertainty,” she has vanished! also takes umbrage at Obama going around the country politicking, for some unknown reason (Michelle’s vacations probably?) and some other stuff too that is boring and inane, like if only Democrats would compromise … sort of like they did on the Affordable Care Act, which was written by Republicans for Republicans and has now been deemed the most Marxist Socialist Leninist Trotskyite … but we repeat ourselves.

Anyway, well played — ? — Conservative Roostermen. Your grasp of the concepts of both “refuting” and “satire” are firm and evident. Wonkette looks forward to having its very own ombudsman on the right keeping us honest, and making sure we never misuse or mislabel those fancy alt hover photo tags again. [TheWonketteRefuter]

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      1. Tundra Grifter

        That factoid had to have come from Peter Lawford – and he probably got it directly from the source.

    1. actor212

      Nah. Nancy was the Hollywood Queen of Blowjobs, and have you ever seen Thatcher's teef? There are entire families in Alabama going "Dayum, thems uglEEEEEEEEE!"

  1. FNMA

    Excuse me, but my computer was malfunctioning. Let me see if I have this right: So it's not true that Margaret Thatcher shits whole donkeys?
    Glad I got that cleared up…

    1. DetectiveGrey

      One is an animated codger whose major character development focuses on his having little understanding of the lives of people outside his enormous financial bubble, the source of which has barely been documented throughout the character's history but we assume is vast and intractable, and the other is a cartoon duck.

    2. chicken_thief

      Scrooge keeps his monies in his house so he can play with it; Mittens keeps his off-shore so the gubmint can't play with it.

  2. skoalrebel

    FYI, the Iron Lady did not iron St. Ronnie's shirts. [spit!] Next thing you know, you're gonna call Ted Nugent a musical has-been with severe psycho-social adjustment issues. [spit!]

    1. chicken_thief

      If the bitch refused to iron St Ronnie's shirts, why didn't they call her "Not Ironing Lady"?!!!

    1. nonbeliever7

      You've apparently taken the new commenter rules a bit too seriously ……or maybe I missed something.

  3. Nothingisamiss

    I am in love with you, WonketteRefuter. Humanity wipes a tear from her eye, grateful you are servicing us in this way.

    1. CogitoErgoBibo

      Half refutation time: I don't think, but I do drink. Oh my gawd, do I drink. It's the only sane thing to do.

    2. CivicHoliday

      I am neither a disgruntled gorilla or an odd Canadian public holidays celebrating the abolition of slavery. In fact, I am simply an over-educated and underemployed vagina-American who enjoys spending time with her kids and hubby (A PROPER WHITE SUBURBAN NUCLEAR TAX PAYING FAMILY ZOMG) and making snarky comments on this here Wonkette.

  4. BigSkullF*ckingDog

    "we feel the need to offer insight into the issues discussed at Wonkette. We encourage our readers to not only comment here at Conservative Outcry, but also at Wonkette. Together we can help our liberal friends see the light, so to speak."

    You guys, sit up straight! We have guests coming!
    -goes to peek through the curtains-

    1. Terry

      Oh, I wonder if they'll start sending those messages via the Follow notices that the halfwits from Reason did. I actually didn't mind that as I could show the messages to friends who were still registered as Republicans as evidence of why they need to be Independents.

    2. DustBowlBlues

      I'll throw some stale Peeps into the candy dish and blow our guests' minds. Peeps, the candy of Easter-loving American Xianity.

    3. DustBowlBlues

      Oh, crap. Those are the unfunny trolls, right? It seems like the new Editortrix has kept them away from us. If they come around, remember the DustyBowlBlues trick to make them go away: simply downfist and move on. Like most of the bedding plants I set out last fall, wingers wither and die without attention.

  5. SorosBot

    From the 'refudiator': "notwithstanding the fact that a 60 vote threshold is in place for a reason (darn those pesky rules"

    No it isn't. That's because the Republicans have been practicing the unprecedented filibustering of every single bill since 2008, it's not the rules, it's a perversion of them. How much else does this idiot have that's just a plain old lie?

  6. Tundra Grifter

    Geez – I thought a Hover Tag was a license plate for those electronic carts the olds gets around in.

  7. mrpuma2u

    Hey old refuse gatherers or whatever, I don't really own a howitzer, or I would have shelled you by now. I don't think your refudiating will resignate with the uh-MEHR-kin peepolz.

  8. Biel_ze_Bubba

    BTW, iI'm pretty sure the ladies-in-underwear shot is the stock photo that Cain originally selected for his (mercifully short-lived) website. (He was over-ruled by some killjoy staffers.)

  9. barto

    "It is a known fact, however, that liberals are frequently incapable of discerning fact from fiction"

    QED libruls. Hovertag THAT!

    1. Sparky McGruff

      It's a known fact that the average conservative blogger (median age: 70) can't understand satire, or for that matter, "humor" that doesn't involve shouting "faggot!" or "slut!" repeatedly. That's why Rush Limbaugh and Ted Nugent are considered conservative luminaries.

      It's also a known fact that the average conservative blogger can't find their ass with both hands, a flashlight, and a map.

    1. swordfis

      Who the fuck is that anyway? Robert Bork? I'm still nauseous from the last time I saw it.

  10. SheriffRoscoe

    We should be careful to label our sarcasm, as our conservative friends do on their blogs. It doesn't make it funnier, but it avoids confusion among our many, varied readers.


  11. BornInATrailer

    So because the new filibuster is a total pussy version where you don't actually have to, you know, filibuster… it doesn't count as blocking anything anymore? Excellent.

    If you know what the votes are, bringing up a bill to make people vote (or prevent a vote but that isn't blocking) is incredibly irresponsible.

  12. DustBowlBlues

    Rachel Maddow loves the wonket, so who cares about–wait a sec–did you say they are refuting wonkette? Refuting, as used in this sentence, "The author refuted the former speaker's assertion that the Gladstone/Disraeli rivalry was largely the invention of historians."?

    The wingers have no sense of humor or irony, none at all. Granted, we have buzz-killing "Democracy Now" starring the dour Amy Goodman. But their lack of humor, unlike the conservatards (hoping to bury the banned syllable so deeply no one will recognize it Shit! {slaps head} I just gave it away!) isn't because they're stoopid. Just mind-numblngly earnest.

  13. Eve8Apples

    Some people are born with a gift for wit and sarcasm, and the others become conservative Republicans.

  14. Buckminster

    Because if we just lower the tax rates on billionaires, they will invest in infrastructure and build this USA into a great country and create jobs?

    Oh, yeah. Tried that for the last 40 years. Did not work.

    So keep doing it.


  15. DahBoner

    Thank goodness we have a bunch of Conservatives standing up for the rights of dumb actors who co-star with monkeys…

  16. Callyson

    Instead of blocked the bill, I think its better said that most members of the GOP opposed the bill.


    Instead of being do – nothing obstructionists, I think it's better said that the GOP is having a zen moment.


  17. Callyson

    In fact, Harry Reid was well aware he didn’t have enough votes for passage but decided to present the bill anyway. Considering the recent lip service given to the bill by President Obama, one can only assume Harry’s actions as a political ploy. But, then again, nothing’s funnier than painting Republicans as obstructionists.

    Yes, how dare those pesky Democrats have the nerve to bring up something for discussion that the Reeps have already decided they won't support because SHUT UP, THAT'S WHY!

    1. tessiee

      "the Reeps have already decided they won't support because SHUT UP, THAT'S WHY!"

      Ugh, someone came into the office where I was temping yesterday, and started a conversation with my horrible cow-irker about how they had to have surgery BUT NO OBAMACARE, and they had medical bills out the ying-yang BUT NO OBAMACARE, and everybody they knew was getting killed on their insurance, and SOMEBODY ought to do SOMETHING, because it's all such a big disaster that SOMETHING is absolutely necessary, BUT NO OBAMACARE, etc. etc. etc.

      I don't know whether they realize what they're saying, and honestly, I don't care; I just wish they would STFU.

  18. sullivanst

    Well I'm glad you mentioned Joe LIEberman's nonsense because something about it occurred to me last night.

    The LAST thing the market wants is certainty. The very last thing. You see, if there's certainty, there's no risk. If there's no risk, there's no profit. If there's no profit, there's no market. The market does not want to cease to exist.

    But we all knew already that Joe's a moron.

  19. Butch_Wagstaff

    Ooh….impressive: 21 people have "liked" the conservative out cry through that facebook thingy. They must have done so between posting Bible verses and racist complaints.

  20. chascates

    Dear ConservativeOutcry: eat a giant bag of poisoned rat dicks and go butt fuck Dick Cheney.

  21. ttommyunger

    I plainly see the two old cunts in the easy chairs, but needs moar captions: which one is Reagan and which is the Secretary?

  22. tessiee

    I, for one, am glad that they have their own website now. It was getting so that every time I looked at my profile visitors on Intense Debate, there were at least a couple of pimple-faced, no-life-having right-wing trolls (pardon the redundancy); and frankly, it was just damned creepy.

  23. Biel_ze_Bubba

    Gotta love this line from the refudiators: "Instead of blocked the bill, I think its better said that most members of the GOP opposed the bill."

    You see, in Wingnuttistan, preventing a bill from being voted on is not "blocking" it … that's merely being "opposed" to it. ("Blocking" involves guns, Molotov cocktails, and piles of burning tires at the doors of the Capitol.)

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