GRUMPY OLD MEN  11:00 am April 18, 2012

The Refuterer: Margaret Thatcher Was Not Actually Ronald Reagan’s Secretary

by Steven Hallas

Ronald Reagan with his secretary -- oh no we did it again!ConservativeOutcry.net has our number, along with a new feature, “Wonkette Refuted,” responding to a “randomly chosen” article from Your Wonkette! The first victim? GOP To Ronald Reagan’s Secretary: Pay Those Taxes Harder! Unfortunately, this self-described “group of old men lamenting the destruction of the nation” seems to be unfamiliar with how the actual process of refuting is done. Since there are so many refutes in this very excellent and soundly argued article (2.5), we will simply never be able to address them all, and will have to mostly limit ourselves to their primary “refute” from Old Man Rooster, concerning the picture accompanying the article, as well as the “hover tag” (fancy internet speak, don’t worry about it):

First, I think it should be noted that picture accompanying the piece is of Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher, not Reagan and his secretary as one is led to believe when hovering over it with a mouse. Can’t even get the picture right?

Wonkette regrets the error. Preemptively, Wonkette also regrets using this photo in an earlier post, which is not actually Mitt Romney, but rather is Scrooge McDuck:

This mistake is unforgivable, and we will do better in the future. To make amends, here is a collection of photos and tags used previously which are factual and accurate:

The rest of ConservativeOutcry.net’s story is a bunch of nonsense, and there is no refutering jibber-jabber like Joe Lieberman’s, which they cited approvingly, about how you cannot ask the wealthiest among us to pay more taxes because the uncertainty of whether or not they will pay more taxes is keeping them from investing the “billions” on which they are sitting. See, the thing about uncertainty is once a higher tax rate is agreed upon, the “uncertainty,” she has vanished! ConservativeOutcry.net also takes umbrage at Obama going around the country politicking, for some unknown reason (Michelle’s vacations probably?) and some other stuff too that is boring and inane, like if only Democrats would compromise … sort of like they did on the Affordable Care Act, which was written by Republicans for Republicans and has now been deemed the most Marxist Socialist Leninist Trotskyite … but we repeat ourselves.

Anyway, well played — ? — Conservative Roostermen. Your grasp of the concepts of both “refuting” and “satire” are firm and evident. Wonkette looks forward to having its very own ombudsman on the right keeping us honest, and making sure we never misuse or mislabel those fancy alt hover photo tags again. [TheWonketteRefuter]

 

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{ 130 comments }

nounverb911 April 18, 2012 at 11:02 am

I thought Thatcher taught Nancy how to service Ronny.

ManchuCandidate April 18, 2012 at 11:06 am

You got that wrong. Nancy taught Thatcher. Nancy was described as giving the best head in hollywood.

Terry April 18, 2012 at 11:12 am

The words "chrome" and "bumper" were used in the description, iirc.

Tundra Grifter April 18, 2012 at 11:16 am

That factoid had to have come from Peter Lawford – and he probably got it directly from the source.

actor212 April 18, 2012 at 11:07 am

Nah. Nancy was the Hollywood Queen of Blowjobs, and have you ever seen Thatcher's teef? There are entire families in Alabama going "Dayum, thems uglEEEEEEEEE!"

Gleem McShineys April 18, 2012 at 2:47 pm

GOBBLECOCKS vs THE IRON VAGINA!!

Come here a minute April 18, 2012 at 11:03 am

They should stick with refudiating.

FNMA April 18, 2012 at 11:03 am

Excuse me, but my computer was malfunctioning. Let me see if I have this right: So it's not true that Margaret Thatcher shits whole donkeys?
Glad I got that cleared up…

chicken_thief April 18, 2012 at 12:07 pm

Or that she is a "woman"?

actor212 April 18, 2012 at 11:06 am

Satire is a concept apparently unheard of in WhinyOldMenLand…

nounverb911 April 18, 2012 at 11:09 am

Are you okay? I saw you snarking over there.

actor212 April 18, 2012 at 11:10 am

It's OK, I had my Ovaltine signal ring with me.

nounverb911 April 18, 2012 at 11:14 am

How many inner jar seals did you have to send in for that?

actor212 April 18, 2012 at 11:17 am

All of them, Katie

And sadly, I couldn't leave the hornet's nest laying on the ground without kicking it over to the campfire. :-)

Callyson April 18, 2012 at 12:11 pm

Just saw your retort on the Conservative Temper Tantrum site. Well played!

MarionNYNY April 18, 2012 at 11:06 am

I'm sorry but I still can't tell Romney and Scrooge McDuck apart.

Tundra Grifter April 18, 2012 at 11:11 am

Romney is the stingy one.

DetectiveGrey April 18, 2012 at 11:22 am

One is an animated codger whose major character development focuses on his having little understanding of the lives of people outside his enormous financial bubble, the source of which has barely been documented throughout the character's history but we assume is vast and intractable, and the other is a cartoon duck.

Biel_ze_Bubba April 18, 2012 at 11:51 am

OK, but how do you tell them apart?

chicken_thief April 18, 2012 at 12:10 pm

Scrooge keeps his monies in his house so he can play with it; Mittens keeps his off-shore so the gubmint can't play with it.

ifthethunderdontgetya April 18, 2012 at 11:06 am

Hoover text? Must be a COMMIE PLOT!
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ManchuCandidate April 18, 2012 at 11:06 am

Conservativeoutcry should be called… "EVERY FUCKING DAY!"

skoalrebel April 18, 2012 at 11:07 am

FYI, the Iron Lady did not iron St. Ronnie's shirts. [spit!] Next thing you know, you're gonna call Ted Nugent a musical has-been with severe psycho-social adjustment issues. [spit!]

Terry April 18, 2012 at 11:14 am

No, the Iron Lady had her husband, Denis, do Ronnie's ironing, actually.

chicken_thief April 18, 2012 at 12:11 pm

If the bitch refused to iron St Ronnie's shirts, why didn't they call her "Not Ironing Lady"?!!!

4TheTurnstiles April 18, 2012 at 11:07 am

Golly, what a bunch of dum dums!

nonbeliever7 April 18, 2012 at 1:47 pm

You've apparently taken the new commenter rules a bit too seriously ……or maybe I missed something.

Nothingisamiss April 18, 2012 at 11:08 am

I am in love with you, WonketteRefuter. Humanity wipes a tear from her eye, grateful you are servicing us in this way.

actor212 April 18, 2012 at 11:08 am

Alt-text win, Steven. Bravo….BRAvo!

SexySmurf April 18, 2012 at 11:08 am

Refutation time: I'm not really a smurf (but I am damn sexy!)

BigSkullF*ckingDog April 18, 2012 at 11:11 am

I don't really fuck skulls.

actor212 April 18, 2012 at 11:18 am

Oh….

*putting glass eye back in*

SorosBot April 18, 2012 at 11:21 am

But I really am a robot!

OK not really…

DetectiveGrey April 18, 2012 at 11:23 am

It's okay, I'm not actually a detective. Or grey.

Designer_Rants April 18, 2012 at 11:30 am

I'm not really a designer of rants. More of a Rant Vomiter, really.

bagofmice April 18, 2012 at 11:36 am

It's not so much a bag, unless you count a pocket as a bag sewed into your clothing.

CogitoErgoBibo April 18, 2012 at 11:42 am

Half refutation time: I don't think, but I do drink. Oh my gawd, do I drink. It's the only sane thing to do.

elviouslyqueer April 18, 2012 at 11:48 am

Well, I'm queer, but I'm not really Elvis.

Or am I?

chicken_thief April 18, 2012 at 12:26 pm

*hangs head, toes dirt* And I've never stolen a chicken. Live or dead…

CivicHoliday April 18, 2012 at 12:31 pm

I am neither a disgruntled gorilla or an odd Canadian public holidays celebrating the abolition of slavery. In fact, I am simply an over-educated and underemployed vagina-American who enjoys spending time with her kids and hubby (A PROPER WHITE SUBURBAN NUCLEAR TAX PAYING FAMILY ZOMG) and making snarky comments on this here Wonkette.

Geminisunmars April 18, 2012 at 12:33 pm

I really am a Gemini. But I''m actually pro Mars.

JadedDissonance April 18, 2012 at 12:41 pm

I'm not very dissonant, but plenty jaded.

nonbeliever7 April 18, 2012 at 1:56 pm

Mine is totally accurate….well….. if you round up.

MissTaken April 18, 2012 at 2:59 pm

I'm sorry if I was mistaken for Judy Jetson.

Advn2rgirl April 18, 2012 at 3:32 pm

I actually AM a sniper kitten.

BigSkullF*ckingDog April 18, 2012 at 11:08 am

"we feel the need to offer insight into the issues discussed at Wonkette. We encourage our readers to not only comment here at Conservative Outcry, but also at Wonkette. Together we can help our liberal friends see the light, so to speak."

You guys, sit up straight! We have guests coming!
-goes to peek through the curtains-

Terry April 18, 2012 at 11:16 am

Oh, I wonder if they'll start sending those messages via the Follow notices that the halfwits from Reason did. I actually didn't mind that as I could show the messages to friends who were still registered as Republicans as evidence of why they need to be Independents.

Blueb4sunrise April 18, 2012 at 11:25 am

Making pot of coffee with fresh tabs of windowpane purchased over the intertubes..

BigSkullF*ckingDog April 18, 2012 at 11:30 am

I set out several bowls of the new chipotle flavored dicks.

bagofmice April 18, 2012 at 11:38 am

If you want to, touch the sky… And also drink coffee.

bagofmice April 18, 2012 at 11:40 am

If you want to, touch the sky, and enjoy some fine Colombian beans simultaneously.

actor212 April 18, 2012 at 11:25 am

Say, why are all these crickets and here and why are they chirping?

DustBowlBlues April 18, 2012 at 11:40 am

I'll throw some stale Peeps into the candy dish and blow our guests' minds. Peeps, the candy of Easter-loving American Xianity.

DustBowlBlues April 18, 2012 at 11:42 am

Oh, crap. Those are the unfunny trolls, right? It seems like the new Editortrix has kept them away from us. If they come around, remember the DustyBowlBlues trick to make them go away: simply downfist and move on. Like most of the bedding plants I set out last fall, wingers wither and die without attention.

CivicHoliday April 18, 2012 at 12:33 pm

I'll bring the cheese plate and a bottle of Red Zin!

George Spelvin April 18, 2012 at 1:31 pm

Put the sheets back on the bed.

Biel_ze_Bubba April 18, 2012 at 11:08 am

If those hover tags are wrong, I don't want them to be right.

SorosBot April 18, 2012 at 11:11 am

From the 'refudiator': "notwithstanding the fact that a 60 vote threshold is in place for a reason (darn those pesky rules"

No it isn't. That's because the Republicans have been practicing the unprecedented filibustering of every single bill since 2008, it's not the rules, it's a perversion of them. How much else does this idiot have that's just a plain old lie?

ManchuCandidate April 18, 2012 at 11:12 am

All of them.

ProgressiveInga April 18, 2012 at 11:12 am

When you Google "GET OFF MY LAWN!!" ConservativeOutcry.net appears.

True(ish) story.

lisawines April 18, 2012 at 12:13 pm

Maybe we should make it a true-er story. :-)

Tundra Grifter April 18, 2012 at 11:13 am

Geez – I thought a Hover Tag was a license plate for those electronic carts the olds gets around in.

CogitoErgoBibo April 18, 2012 at 11:13 am

I don't often read hover-text, but when I do, it's Wonkette's. Stay pithy, my friends.

lisawines April 18, 2012 at 12:14 pm

No, it's what birds do when they shit while flying.

elviouslyqueer April 18, 2012 at 11:14 am

I find Wonkette Refuter incredibly difficult to masturbate to.

BornInATrailer April 18, 2012 at 12:12 pm

That implies you eventually succeeded. You are a better man than I.

mrpuma2u April 18, 2012 at 11:14 am

Hey old refuse gatherers or whatever, I don't really own a howitzer, or I would have shelled you by now. I don't think your refudiating will resignate with the uh-MEHR-kin peepolz.

coolhandnuke April 18, 2012 at 11:14 am

If today is refudiation day, I confess…I only ate 49 eggs.

Designer_Rants April 18, 2012 at 11:33 am

Well, now I'm beginning to wonder if your hands are even cool. Or if you have hands at all!

coolhandnuke April 18, 2012 at 11:35 am

I fap, therefore I am.

commiegirl April 18, 2012 at 11:35 am

MY BOY SAYS HE CAN EAT 50 EGGS, MY BOY CAN EAT 50 EGGS.

coolhandnuke April 18, 2012 at 11:43 am

I thought it was a nice round number.

Biel_ze_Bubba April 18, 2012 at 11:14 am

BTW, iI'm pretty sure the ladies-in-underwear shot is the stock photo that Cain originally selected for his (mercifully short-lived) WomenForCain.com website. (He was over-ruled by some killjoy staffers.)

Sparky McGruff April 18, 2012 at 11:25 am

Hey– do you want the job, or not?

chicken_thief April 18, 2012 at 12:19 pm

Smokingman, however, approved whole heartedly.

barto April 18, 2012 at 11:15 am

"It is a known fact, however, that liberals are frequently incapable of discerning fact from fiction"

QED libruls. Hovertag THAT!

ManchuCandidate April 18, 2012 at 11:24 am

It's that nice little fantasy that keeps them going.

Sparky McGruff April 18, 2012 at 11:30 am

It's a known fact that the average conservative blogger (median age: 70) can't understand satire, or for that matter, "humor" that doesn't involve shouting "faggot!" or "slut!" repeatedly. That's why Rush Limbaugh and Ted Nugent are considered conservative luminaries.

It's also a known fact that the average conservative blogger can't find their ass with both hands, a flashlight, and a map.

FlownOver April 18, 2012 at 11:17 am

For Steely Ron? Not hardly. Maybe woulda for Ol' Blue Eyes, though.

FlownOver April 18, 2012 at 11:23 am

Thanks a pantload, Barb. I hate it when I reply to a nonexistent comment.

actor212 April 18, 2012 at 11:24 am

I gave you a pity fisting

bagofmice April 18, 2012 at 11:41 am

Well, we are discussing…

SheriffRoscoe April 18, 2012 at 11:21 am

Conservative Roosterman in action.

Designer_Rants April 18, 2012 at 11:37 am

Conservative Roosterman Jr. in action.

swordfis April 18, 2012 at 2:20 pm

Who the fuck is that anyway? Robert Bork? I'm still nauseous from the last time I saw it.

WiscDad April 18, 2012 at 11:26 am

She was his BITCH!!! Dawm straight.

SheriffRoscoe April 18, 2012 at 11:27 am

We should be careful to label our sarcasm, as our conservative friends do on their blogs. It doesn't make it funnier, but it avoids confusion among our many, varied readers.

/sarcasm

BornInATrailer April 18, 2012 at 11:27 am

So because the new filibuster is a total pussy version where you don't actually have to, you know, filibuster… it doesn't count as blocking anything anymore? Excellent.

If you know what the votes are, bringing up a bill to make people vote (or prevent a vote but that isn't blocking) is incredibly irresponsible.

Texan_Bulldog April 18, 2012 at 11:29 am

Satire is hard.

bagofmice April 18, 2012 at 11:44 am

Unlike them.

CivicHoliday April 18, 2012 at 12:34 pm

especially Mittens

CrunchyKnee April 18, 2012 at 11:30 am

The olds need a hobby.

Designer_Rants April 18, 2012 at 11:43 am

Goodness yes. Keep them on the 'puter, and out of the "annexing of convenience store tables while drinking an unprofitable amount of coffee" business.

UnionAgitator April 18, 2012 at 11:32 am

"we pay very little attention to Wonkette" and to prove it we'll start "a new feature " about it.

Ha Ha Ha

Stupid right-wingers.

bagofmice April 18, 2012 at 11:33 am

We obviously need a novelty commentator, "tehwonketteombudsman".

Designer_Rants April 18, 2012 at 11:45 am

I imagine "tehwonketteombudsman" would refer to various forms of "LIBEL!!!1!" quite often.

chicken_thief April 18, 2012 at 12:16 pm

As well as "you know who else had ….?" posts.

DustBowlBlues April 18, 2012 at 11:36 am

Rachel Maddow loves the wonket, so who cares about–wait a sec–did you say they are refuting wonkette? Refuting, as used in this sentence, "The author refuted the former speaker's assertion that the Gladstone/Disraeli rivalry was largely the invention of historians."?

The wingers have no sense of humor or irony, none at all. Granted, we have buzz-killing "Democracy Now" starring the dour Amy Goodman. But their lack of humor, unlike the conservatards (hoping to bury the banned syllable so deeply no one will recognize it Shit! {slaps head} I just gave it away!) isn't because they're stoopid. Just mind-numblngly earnest.

DaRooster April 18, 2012 at 11:37 am

So alt text isn't really what is going on in them pictures?

Man, what next?

Eve8Apples April 18, 2012 at 11:37 am

Some people are born with a gift for wit and sarcasm, and the others become conservative Republicans.

Designer_Rants April 18, 2012 at 11:47 am

Huh? VOTE GINGRICH!!!

Guppy April 18, 2012 at 11:44 am

"Hover tag?" I'm sorry, I visit Wonkette through Lynx and…

Wait, Wonkette has pictures?!?

Naked_Bunny April 18, 2012 at 12:18 pm

Heck, yeah. I'm only here to fap to the pictures. I do my reading at penthouse.com

Buckminster April 18, 2012 at 11:46 am

Because if we just lower the tax rates on billionaires, they will invest in infrastructure and build this USA into a great country and create jobs?

Oh, yeah. Tried that for the last 40 years. Did not work.

So keep doing it.

RIIIIIIIIIIIgggght.

DahBoner April 18, 2012 at 11:50 am

Thank goodness we have a bunch of Conservatives standing up for the rights of dumb actors who co-star with monkeys…

Exhausted66 April 18, 2012 at 11:51 am

It's 2012, where's my hover tag?!?!?

P.S.
And how dare you lead us to believe things!

trampndirtdown April 18, 2012 at 11:53 am

This kind of thing would never happen on a Ken Layne post.

Callyson April 18, 2012 at 12:08 pm

Instead of blocked the bill, I think its better said that most members of the GOP opposed the bill.

Translation:

Instead of being do – nothing obstructionists, I think it's better said that the GOP is having a zen moment.

Jesus.

Biel_ze_Bubba April 18, 2012 at 12:15 pm

The GOP is a cork in the asshole of progress.

Callyson April 18, 2012 at 12:10 pm

In fact, Harry Reid was well aware he didn’t have enough votes for passage but decided to present the bill anyway. Considering the recent lip service given to the bill by President Obama, one can only assume Harry’s actions as a political ploy. But, then again, nothing’s funnier than painting Republicans as obstructionists.

Yes, how dare those pesky Democrats have the nerve to bring up something for discussion that the Reeps have already decided they won't support because SHUT UP, THAT'S WHY!

tessiee April 18, 2012 at 6:19 pm

"the Reeps have already decided they won't support because SHUT UP, THAT'S WHY!"

Ugh, someone came into the office where I was temping yesterday, and started a conversation with my horrible cow-irker about how they had to have surgery BUT NO OBAMACARE, and they had medical bills out the ying-yang BUT NO OBAMACARE, and everybody they knew was getting killed on their insurance, and SOMEBODY ought to do SOMETHING, because it's all such a big disaster that SOMETHING is absolutely necessary, BUT NO OBAMACARE, etc. etc. etc.

I don't know whether they realize what they're saying, and honestly, I don't care; I just wish they would STFU.

chicken_thief April 18, 2012 at 12:12 pm

Bless their hearts.

mavenmaven April 18, 2012 at 12:14 pm

Brought to you by the people who believe Stephen Colbert is a true Conservative voice.

nonbeliever7 April 18, 2012 at 2:01 pm

What? NO!!! I'm demanding my money back from A Better Tomorrow Tomorrow.

Naked_Bunny April 18, 2012 at 12:16 pm

The President should resign if he wants to run for reelection!

sullivanst April 18, 2012 at 12:26 pm

Well I'm glad you mentioned Joe LIEberman's nonsense because something about it occurred to me last night.

The LAST thing the market wants is certainty. The very last thing. You see, if there's certainty, there's no risk. If there's no risk, there's no profit. If there's no profit, there's no market. The market does not want to cease to exist.

But we all knew already that Joe's a moron.

An_Outhouse April 18, 2012 at 12:26 pm

ConservativeOutcry.net ? Was ConservativeWhiners.net .com and .org taken?

tessiee April 18, 2012 at 6:15 pm

And of course, ConservativeWhiners.edu couldn't exist in this universe.

An_Outhouse April 18, 2012 at 12:29 pm

Hover text, hover round, hover everything. Let's TEA PAAARRRTTAAAAAAAYY!

OneYieldRegular April 18, 2012 at 1:29 pm

Okay, which one of you smart asses is behind this?

nonbeliever7 April 18, 2012 at 2:03 pm

Andy Kaufman?

Butch_Wagstaff April 18, 2012 at 2:25 pm

Ooh….impressive: 21 people have "liked" the conservative out cry through that facebook thingy. They must have done so between posting Bible verses and racist complaints.

poorgradstudent April 18, 2012 at 2:33 pm

Who refutes the refuters?

chascates April 18, 2012 at 2:35 pm

Dear ConservativeOutcry: eat a giant bag of poisoned rat dicks and go butt fuck Dick Cheney.

ttommyunger April 18, 2012 at 2:54 pm

I plainly see the two old cunts in the easy chairs, but needs moar captions: which one is Reagan and which is the Secretary?

tessiee April 18, 2012 at 6:14 pm

I, for one, am glad that they have their own website now. It was getting so that every time I looked at my profile visitors on Intense Debate, there were at least a couple of pimple-faced, no-life-having right-wing trolls (pardon the redundancy); and frankly, it was just damned creepy.

horsedreamer_1 April 18, 2012 at 8:13 pm

Show us your work permit, Maggie.

Salacious Crumb April 18, 2012 at 10:21 pm

Comedy. How the fuck does it work?!

Negropolis April 19, 2012 at 1:54 am

This is why conservatives will never have nice things.

Biel_ze_Bubba April 19, 2012 at 6:24 am

Gotta love this line from the refudiators: "Instead of blocked the bill, I think its better said that most members of the GOP opposed the bill."

You see, in Wingnuttistan, preventing a bill from being voted on is not "blocking" it … that's merely being "opposed" to it. ("Blocking" involves guns, Molotov cocktails, and piles of burning tires at the doors of the Capitol.)

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