Apparently You Can Get In Trouble For Helping CIA Run Torture Gulags Now

by Rebecca Schoenkopf

Enhanced detonationFather to Morning Joe cohost Mika Zbrezinzszkzy and Poland’s former intelligence chief Zbigniew Siemiatkowski has been charged with violating international law and “unlawfully depriving prisoners of their liberty” by helping the CIA to set up a “black site” Qaeda (and, of course, “Qaeda-accused” and “Qaeda-adjacent”) prison in Poland. This is excellent news for Dick Cheney!

So blah blah blah, torture torture torture, the CIA has sadz that “public controversies [...] have broken out” since they’d totally promised all their other spy friends it would just be our little secret. Oopsie.

But human rights advocates have applauded the inquiries overseas into what they believe was torture and illegal detention.

Here, from The New York Times, is Mr. Adam Bodnar, of the Helsinki Foundation for Human Rights.

“I remember the lessons of constitutionality given by the Americans in the early ’90s, always saying to us, you have to create a new constitution and every action by state authorities must have limits. Poland has just learned this lesson well.”

That’s silly, why would we have done that? Everyone knows the only important parts of the Constitution are the Commerce Clause and the First Amendment, which says the government is oppressing you if it does not give you all its munneez. Duh. Everybody knows that. [NYT/MSNBC]

 

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actor212 March 28, 2012 at 11:38 am

Mr. Adam Bodnar, of the Helsinki Foundation for Human Rights.

I call bullshit. All Finnish names end in -nen or a vowel

sullivanst March 28, 2012 at 11:46 am

Linus Torvalds libel!

actor212 March 28, 2012 at 11:53 am

His family's Latvian. We don't count their kind. They're like Blah Finns.

sullivanst March 28, 2012 at 12:00 pm

Was Sibelius Finnish enough?

actor212 March 28, 2012 at 12:25 pm

Grandfathered in.

actor212 March 28, 2012 at 2:17 pm

He was the house Litvak

Negropolis March 29, 2012 at 3:10 am

I thought the Swedish Finns were the Blah Finns.

actor212 March 28, 2012 at 11:38 am

And EDITRIX!

You forgot the most important part of the Constitution! The Second Amendment!

Also the dessert menu.

An Asexual Ungulate March 28, 2012 at 11:42 am

Try the flan, it's Ben Franklin's famous recipe.

actor212 March 28, 2012 at 11:43 am

Is it on his Pinterest page? I'll check it out

Barb March 28, 2012 at 11:44 am

I thought Ben was into tarts?

weej_bain March 28, 2012 at 11:47 am

Kites too, also.

Crank_Tango March 28, 2012 at 11:52 am

Ben Franklin? I thought that was Gallagher on the 100 dollar bill…too soon?

An Asexual Ungulate March 28, 2012 at 3:11 pm

He never met a dessert (or strumpet) he didn't like.

Sharkey March 28, 2012 at 11:46 am

I like the part about the pony.

bikerlaureate March 28, 2012 at 1:33 pm

Also too the gubbmint has no munneez – except what it STOLE from hardworking patriotic Americans!!!!!1!!

slithytoves March 28, 2012 at 11:39 am

As far as I'm concerned, the only important part of the Constitution is the 21st amendment. But then, my grandfather was a whiskey runner into Canada, and the other brewed in his basement. Me, I just drink.

actor212 March 28, 2012 at 11:45 am

Damn socialized medicine…

memzilla March 28, 2012 at 11:39 am

Hearing about Dick "Palpatine" Cheney cutting the line, denying a viable heart to thousands of other more deserving people — now, that's torture.

LesBontemps March 28, 2012 at 12:38 pm

I'm okay with it as long as it means he can now be tried for war crimes and subversion of the Constitution.

actor212 March 28, 2012 at 2:19 pm

Consti-whatnow?

ChernobylSoup March 28, 2012 at 11:40 am

Turns out letting the Polish build a "black site" wasn't such a good idea. They put it in the middle of the city commons, painted it yellow, and had a neon sign on top flashing "CIA!"

tcaalaw March 28, 2012 at 11:51 am

Pirogie libel!

MosesInvests March 28, 2012 at 12:54 pm

C'mon, Polack jokes stopped being funny about 30 years ago. Uzbek jokes, OTOH….

ManchuCandidate March 28, 2012 at 11:40 am

Too bad that Johnny Cochran is dead as the Chewie Defense died with him. There's always the old fallback of the Sgt Schultz Defense: "I know nuthing! I see nuthing!"

prommie March 28, 2012 at 11:45 am

Look at this crazy monkey.

EloquentScience March 28, 2012 at 11:42 am

Silly Finn. Just because you put it into the constitution doesn't mean you have to FOLLOW it.

Biff March 28, 2012 at 12:22 pm

It's just a goddamned piece of paper, after all.

weej_bain March 28, 2012 at 11:42 am

Today the whole world is den Haag.

OT

Hey Barb & all there are two eaglettes hatched! Also saw a pair if sparrows stealing nest materals from the eagle nest while ma/pa was sitting in the chicks. Huevos grandes little birds!

actor212 March 28, 2012 at 11:45 am

Silly liberal, you're supposed to abort those!

Barb March 28, 2012 at 11:48 am

I love this! The eaglettes are so wonderful.
My doves, Missy and Mister came back yesterday. I don't know where they go for the winter. I hear Gitmo is a "nice tropical island"

Lascauxcaveman March 28, 2012 at 12:47 pm

In further aviation news, my chickens have learned to fly over my garden fence. Looks like they're going back into the porta-coop soon as planting season starts here.

(also, mama eagle looks like she can't decide to smother or stomp her chicks to death.)

FakaktaSouth March 28, 2012 at 11:42 am

Everybody knows that the Constitution states clearly -You have the right to AKs for standing your ground, freedom of speech means you can say things you made up – and then be pissed about being quoted, women do not exist, except for baby making, because, no privacy – AND that we all should be made to pray TO JESUS in EVERY public square ALWAYS. Otherwise, do what you want. ESPECIALLY in Poland.

EloquentScience March 28, 2012 at 11:42 am

Don't you mean a "blah site"?

Tundra Grifter March 28, 2012 at 11:44 am

Sorry for being slow on the uptake, but what does Morning Joe's Mika have to do with this story? I know explaining a joke usually ruins it – I just don't get it.

actor212 March 28, 2012 at 11:46 am

Her dad is Zbigniew….errr, whatever the fuck her last name is.

Tundra Grifter March 28, 2012 at 11:51 am

Eyechart?

ChernobylSoup March 28, 2012 at 11:47 am

It means the USA has total vowel superiority over Eastern Europe.

elviouslyqueer March 28, 2012 at 11:52 am

ZBW! ZBW! ZBW!

Chet Kincaid March 28, 2012 at 11:55 am

'70s disco sound effect, or kids playing Star Wars?

Lascauxcaveman March 28, 2012 at 1:00 pm

I'm surprised a big jazz fiend like you wouldn't recognize Moog licks from Herbie Hancock's Takin' Off.

Crank_Tango March 28, 2012 at 11:56 am

Yeah but they are gonna crush us in scrabble. Or words with friends, whatever.

Chet Kincaid March 28, 2012 at 11:48 am

The Polish dude has the same first name as her Dad, who was Carter's National Security Advisor.

Tundra Grifter March 28, 2012 at 11:52 am

CK: I can always count on you to set me straight.

For some crazy reason I was thinking the reference was more than just making fun of her name.

Chet Kincaid March 28, 2012 at 11:56 am

Well, nobody said it was a "good" joke.

Chet Kincaid March 28, 2012 at 11:49 am

And don't feel bad — I was about 20 levels deep in the comments before I finally "got" yesterday's "comment of the day".

Crank_Tango March 28, 2012 at 11:57 am

You got your balls sucked dry by Nancy Reagan?

Carlodog March 28, 2012 at 1:07 pm

The writer thinks any Polish man with the name Zbigniew is Mika's father.

ifthethunderdontgetya March 28, 2012 at 11:44 am

Scott Horton has been covering this forever, and deserves a link.

Meanwhile, President Hopey's Administration has been running around the world lecturing other countries about bringing their war criminals to justice.
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SorosBot March 28, 2012 at 11:45 am

This is nice and all, but when are they going to get around to trying Dick and Bush for orchestrating the whole sick S&M escapades?

johnnymeatworth March 28, 2012 at 12:01 pm

I wept because I had no nipple clamps attached to car batteries until I met a man who had never waterboarded someone for information.

WhatTheHeck March 28, 2012 at 11:45 am

“Human Rights” hahahahaha. good one.

weej_bain March 28, 2012 at 11:51 am

Think that is "human rites." You know like old Vlade the Impaler used run.

DerrickWildcat March 28, 2012 at 11:46 am

Seeing all those Z's makes me sleepy.

Lascauxcaveman March 28, 2012 at 1:07 pm

I'm sleepy too, but it has more to do with getting up a 3am to watch the Seattle Mariners open the MLB season in Tokyo this morning. (Yes, I'm a sick person.)

The good news: Seattle is on pace to 162 wins this year and have the most wins this year in MLB! Ichiro is on pace to get 468 hits! The new kid Dustin Ackley is on pace to get a whopping 162 homers!

prommie March 28, 2012 at 11:46 am

The Geneva Conventions are so passe'. Good old Condi Rice, she was the worst spinner and worst liar of them all. So incompetent on so many levels, try as she might, she couldn't even get being an evil liar right.

Jus_Wonderin March 28, 2012 at 12:02 pm

I used to get just as ill listening to her as I did when W talked.

FakaktaSouth March 28, 2012 at 12:03 pm

You gotta think that it was incredibly hard for Condi though, after all that wrong headed liberal schooling about Russia – she had a LOOOOT to learn and keeping the right wing agenda with all its myriad talking points and revisionist history straight would be a bitch for ANYbody. Anyway, I gotta go to the gym, my stress is at an 8 (we got lawyers from the Hilton Corp on our asses cause we witnessed a drowning in one of their pools) – could you let me know if I am supposed to be way pissed about what's going on in SCOTUS-ville? I need to know if I should stop by the liquor store or pharmacy on the way home. Thanks love.

sewollef March 28, 2012 at 1:19 pm

The liquor store. The pharmacy will have a line out the door when SCOTUS constitutionalises the healthcare bill, with loose wimmin getting their stock of morning after pills the night before.

prommie March 28, 2012 at 1:19 pm

Well, if they uphold the law, they are upholding a sellout to the insurance industry, which means we are fucked, and you will need booze and pharmacueticals. And if they strike it down, we are fucked, and you will need booze and pharmaceuticals. Though if they strike it down, that would probably be the quicker way to an eventual single-payor system, which is good, but it will be decades, so thats bad, and you will need booze and pharmaceuticals. So, my darling, make those stops.

Lascauxcaveman March 28, 2012 at 1:08 pm

All I remember is those terrific boots.

prommie March 28, 2012 at 1:23 pm

I remember her blatant, phumphering, outlandish lies when testifying, not under oath, about how the Bushies infatuation with "state sponsored terrorism" led them to ignore every one of the dozens of screaming warnings about Bin Laden and terrorism. Deer in headlights, Peter Principle exemplar, bullshit artist token that she was.

BaldarTFlagass March 28, 2012 at 11:47 am

You know who else ignored human rights in Poland?

BornInATrailer March 28, 2012 at 11:49 am

Mongols?

actor212 March 28, 2012 at 11:51 am

Wojciech Jaruzelski?

Ramon X March 28, 2012 at 12:35 pm

Joe Btfsplk?

Tundra Grifter March 28, 2012 at 11:53 am

Napoleon? Not Dynamite, either

ifthethunderdontgetya March 28, 2012 at 11:54 am

Clay Aiken?
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Crank_Tango March 28, 2012 at 11:55 am

One to hold the lightbulb, and…

sullivanst March 28, 2012 at 11:56 am

Commie pinkos?

terriblyfamous March 28, 2012 at 11:58 am

Copernicus?

Chill-A-Sketch March 28, 2012 at 12:03 pm

Polish jokes?

doloras March 28, 2012 at 5:27 pm

Emperor Friedrich the Great?

Wile E. Quixote March 28, 2012 at 11:47 am

That’s silly, why would we have done that? Everyone knows the only important parts of the Constitution are the Commerce Clause and the First Amendment, which says the government is oppressing you if it does not give you all its munneez. Duh. Everybody knows that.

Hey, you forgot the second amendment, and now I'm feeling threatened and am going to have to stand my ground and shoot you.

GunToting[Redacted] March 28, 2012 at 11:55 am

With surveyor's marks!

Wile E. Quixote March 28, 2012 at 1:30 pm

Oh great, you mentioned the surveyor's marks. Now all of the librulz are going to get all mean and start blood-libeling us.

CrankyLttlCamperette March 28, 2012 at 1:03 pm

Or votes!

Ruhe March 28, 2012 at 11:48 am

Okay, at the next C-Pac I want to see the "Founding Fathers" re-enactors debate the constitutionality of "black sites" in full costume and make-up. Does anyone whose ever actually read Payne or Jefferson think those guys would have been sanguine about this sort of shit? Yet I have no doubt that the teabagger thespians will be able to rationalize their way around to it somehow.

SayItWithWookies March 28, 2012 at 11:50 am

I guess nobody told Mr. Adam Bodnar that certain laws and civil rights become "quaint" and can be ignored if, for instance, a little bird whispers to you that a third-world country is actually a secret nuclear, chemical and bioweapons powerhouse and its immensely strong army is about to get into boats and sail around Cape Horn, across the Atlantic and invade Florida and must be stopped at all costs, no questions asked.

But then Poland has never known war and strife and invasion the way we did, lo 200 years ago.

Chick-Fil-Atheist™ March 28, 2012 at 11:50 am

…and Dubya?

dubyatf March 28, 2012 at 12:06 pm

You rang?

Chick-Fil-Atheist™ March 28, 2012 at 1:02 pm

No, not the one we like. The one we hate.

dubyatf March 28, 2012 at 1:16 pm

Omg, Chick. I feel a Sally Field moment rearing its head over Russia's air space.

Chick-Fil-Atheist™ March 28, 2012 at 1:20 pm

You're the first person to ever make a tie between Jack Palance and Sally Field. Or am I mixing up my Oscar histories now…?

KennyFuckingPowers March 28, 2012 at 11:50 am

The Eastern Block is more depressing than watching the FOX drunk and on reds after speeding for a week. And stoned too. Trust me.

SexySmurf March 28, 2012 at 11:53 am

O/T Taibbi linked to Megan McArdle expert "analysis" of the Trayvon Martin shooting. It is a work of beauty that deserves to be savored.

An_Outhouse March 28, 2012 at 12:46 pm

eeewww … that link goes to mccardle. Make it go to taibbi.

dubyatf March 28, 2012 at 2:29 pm

Sexy, from whence (I are a faint-zee talker) does Matt link to the McCargggle noise? I checked his RS blog. Was he guesting at Huffblow?

SexySmurf March 28, 2012 at 2:33 pm

At the very end of the most recent post about his (last night's) appearance at Georgetown U.

Crank_Tango March 28, 2012 at 11:54 am

I have been playing this game with my GF's dog that we like to call "extraordinary rendition," whereby I throw a blanket over her head and tickle her until she gives up the sleeper cells.

It's really not that bad and I don't know what all the fuss is about.

Lascauxcaveman March 28, 2012 at 1:12 pm

You could just follow the dog until it's ready to take a nap. (Pro Tip: it'll turn around three times when it's ready)

skoalrebel March 28, 2012 at 11:54 am

There's a black site down the road from my trailer. [spit!] So, you're tellin' me it's illegal for them darkies to be livin' here? I'd like that! [spit!] Protect my human rights!! No black sites!!

chicken_thief March 28, 2012 at 11:54 am

If Daddy Zbrezinzszkzy gets sent to the hoosegow, can I have Mika as my sex slave until he pays his debt to society? She's kinda hot when she isn't talking….

sullivanst March 28, 2012 at 12:01 pm

She's much hotter when she is talking, because that means Schmo's less likely to be…

dubyatf March 28, 2012 at 12:11 pm

Even though I am a totally straight female, I would totally arm wrestle you for first dibs.

Baconzgood March 28, 2012 at 11:55 am

Don't forget the Tea-Bag 10th amendment. STAITS RIATS!

Chet Kincaid March 28, 2012 at 12:01 pm

Oh, I love Staits Riats! Knopfler is an incredible songwriter!

Baconzgood March 28, 2012 at 12:04 pm

He wrote Private Dancer for Tina Turner you know.

sullivanst March 28, 2012 at 12:29 pm

And I called myself a Straits fan…

Lascauxcaveman March 28, 2012 at 1:15 pm

Did you know Knopfler doesn't use a guitar pick, but does put crazy glue on his fingertips to make them harder for finger picking?

BaldarTFlagass March 28, 2012 at 11:57 am

Remember the good old days, when the CIA was only concerned with toppling "dictators" and fucking with Robert Redford and Faye Dunaway? Those were the days!

Lascauxcaveman March 28, 2012 at 1:18 pm

I remember that movie, Three Days of Fucking With Faye Dunaway.

Oh, wait, maybe that the porn version?

donner_froh March 28, 2012 at 12:00 pm

First Amendment, which says the government is oppressing you if it does not give you all its munneez

Plus the Second Amendment which says you can have all the guns and ammunition you want so you can murder black kids in hoodies, because you are a white person in Amerikkka!

straighteight March 28, 2012 at 12:00 pm

"Polish-run black site prison" is just begging for a metric ton of bad ethnic jokes.

WiscDad March 28, 2012 at 12:03 pm

Mika Zbrezinzszkzy? Zbigniew Siemiatkowski? BUY A VOWEL!!!!

Mean0ldWoman March 28, 2012 at 12:46 pm

Mika's father is Zbigniew Brzezinski — a Polish American political scientist, geostrategist, and statesman who served as United States National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981.

Zbigniew Siemiątkowski (born October 8, 1957, in Ciechanów, Poland) is a Polish politician. He was Minister of Internal Affairs, 1996–97, and head of the Intelligence Agency. He was the one charged.

Wile E. Quixote March 28, 2012 at 1:55 pm

Poland has been suffering from a vowel deficit since the Mongols invaded in 1381
and took all of the vowels with them.

thefrontpage March 28, 2012 at 12:05 pm

By the way, the CIA has a great torture safe house in Amsterdam. The cover is only five bucks, and it's open to anyone 16 and over. The bar has a great list of drinks, the food is good, the prices are reasonable (try the Reuben and the matzo ball soup–they're great), and the torture is fun in the basement dungeon. You never know who you're going to see there! The torture is included in the cover charge. It's called "Spyz," and it's open seven days a week, 9 a.m. to 3 a.m.

An_Outhouse March 28, 2012 at 12:42 pm

I'm suspicious of any place that is closed for only 6 hours a day. That's hardly enough time for a good cleaning.

donner_froh March 28, 2012 at 12:10 pm

Helsinki Watch/Foundation is so last century. They get upset when anyone does anything–torture, mass slaughter, extra-judicial killing, organized kidnapping.

Got to lighten up a bit guys.

Callyson March 28, 2012 at 12:14 pm

Everyone knows the only important parts of the Constitution are the Commerce Clause and the First Amendment
Don’t let the NRA see that or we’ll get infested with trolls again…

BaldarTFlagass March 28, 2012 at 12:28 pm

Is it just me or are the comments all fucked up again?

hagajim March 28, 2012 at 12:31 pm

"constitutionality given by the Americans" Yeah – like we'd know anything about constitutionality….what is this, this constitution thingy?

SorosBot March 28, 2012 at 12:34 pm

Silly, those human rights and Constitutional rules of due process don't matter when you're dealing with Bad People, and defending Freedom.

James Michael Curley March 28, 2012 at 12:36 pm

Back in the 60's the CIA recruited many of us to identify and torture Queada operatives. We had to wander around the campus with a blank stare on our face and when we discovered a terrier we would point, open our mouths wide and scream in an ear piercing howl until the rest of us came over and did the same thing.

An_Outhouse March 28, 2012 at 12:39 pm

Maybe Syria will offer him sanctuary.

Guppy March 28, 2012 at 1:03 pm

So, after the disaster of the Bush administration, charges have been filed against a foreign national and a former member of a Democratic administration.

I don't drink enough.

Toomush_Infer March 28, 2012 at 1:32 pm

So, is Mika miffed – I love it when she gets that eye-rolling, sidefaced huffiness, like an indignant housewife….

Mean0ldWoman March 28, 2012 at 2:37 pm

Zbigniew Siemiątkowski is not Mika's father. Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security advisor to President Jimmy Carter is Mika's dad. He appears frequently on Morning Joe. Zbigniew Siemaitkowski is the former head of Poland's Intelligence Agency.

Wile E. Quixote March 28, 2012 at 1:34 pm

That's what you get for forgetting about Poland.

DahBoner March 29, 2012 at 1:28 pm

Polish people were proud of my 'Don't Forget Poland' bumpersticker, but they did not understand the context…

owhatever March 28, 2012 at 2:01 pm

We do not torture. George Bush said so.

ttommyunger March 28, 2012 at 2:04 pm

Constitution? We don' need no stinkin' Constitution! Now if you'll excuse me, I feel the need to call myself a "Neighborhood Watch" Captain, strap on my "Niner" and go find me a darky to shoot.

Mean0ldWoman March 28, 2012 at 2:33 pm

Please correct an EMBARRASSING mistake you have made. Zbigniew Siemiątkowski is NOT MIKA'S father. Zbigniew Brzezinski who was the United States National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981 is Mika's father. He appears frequently on Morning Joe. Zbigniew Siemiątkowski is the former head of the Polish Intelligence Agency. He is the one charged in the CIA 'black site' case. Other sites are linking to your article and spreading a falsehood that I have now repeatedly tried to encourage you to correct. Surely, you do not want Wonkette to be slandering a former US diplomat and his daughter who are in no way connected to this arrest.

Redrighthand March 28, 2012 at 3:16 pm

A post from Becca without reference to lysistrata Or even Aristophanes in general. I'm stunned.

DahBoner March 29, 2012 at 1:25 pm

If it's really a 'black site', then you can get the B.E.T. channel, right?

sullivanst March 28, 2012 at 1:22 pm

Totally know about the no-pick, did not know about the crazy glue.

Having now done my research on Private Dancer (musically it totally fits in with the rest of Love Over Gold), it's interesting to note that while they used the rest of DS for the instrumental tracks, Knopfler didn't appear, the guitar instead being played by the other British guitarist famous for mastery of volume swells and not using a pick – Jeff Beck.

Chet Kincaid March 28, 2012 at 1:28 pm

As it says in the book of Wynton, "The sine wave that speaketh from a box and hath not the breath of life shall be an abomination unto thee."

Lascauxcaveman March 28, 2012 at 1:57 pm

I keep forgetting there's a whole branch of the Church of Jazz that forwards the doctrine of The Apostasy of Herbie.

So, essentially, 70's disco sound effects, then.

dubyatf March 28, 2012 at 2:24 pm

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I think you're just experiencing a TSA. Transient Schema Attack. Your brain is overcrowded! Better dump some of the stuff you don't need, like all your Gen Ed requirements.

Chet Kincaid March 28, 2012 at 3:40 pm

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