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Arizona Lawmaker Woman Wants Women To Watch An Abortion Before Having One

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An Arizona law-etching ladyperson (“lady”) by the name of Terri Proud, Representative from Tucson, has decided that there just isn’t enough going on in the House and Senate right now in Arizona, even though there is, so how about a law saying that women should not just have to see a black-and-white moving image of a living zygote prior to having an abortion, but should watch an actual abortion be performed before having one themselves? Yes. Finally.

A blog on the Arizona Republic website printed an e-mail that allegedly came from Terri Proud’s state e-mail account. (The post also lists a bunch of crazy laws currently on the floor in Arizona.) And here is this beauteous and apparently unedited e-mail:

Personally I’d like to make a law that mandates a woman watch an abortion being performed prior to having a “surgical procedure”. If it’s not a life it shouldn’t matter, if it doesn’t harm a woman then she shouldn’t care, and don’t we want more transparency and education in the medical profession anyway? We demand it everywhere else. Until the dead child can tell me that she/he does not feel any pain — I have no intentions of clearing the conscience of the living – I will be voting YES.

When asked to comment by the Huffington Post, a Proud spokesperson was told that Proud was too busy “performing legislative duties,” whatever that means.

BUT — when asked for comment by the Arizona Republic blogger, Proud responded with this amazing piece of English. Women, she said, should be educated on surgical procedures,

especially when a foreign object is extracting from a delicate organ.

Er. So a zygote is a :”foreign object”? CONCESSIONS! Reaching across the aisle!

Luckily (although, can’t even believe he has to BOTHER), Proud’s Democratic counterpart, Matt Heinz, did some research and found out that “there are laws in place to prevent spectators from watching surgery, which would include abortions.” So, that’s fine, Proud and her fanclub will just get to work creating a law that defines abortion as murder. If only that were guaranteed to always be a joke and funny, but it is not! [Arizona Republic via Huffington Post]

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    1. kissawookiee

      Same reason you want to watch a skunk try to get its head outta the peanut butter jar. Comedy gold.

    1. JustPixelz

      Careful what you say about your neighbors to the west. Someday you may need to borrow a cup of crazy and they won't be in a mood to share.

      Do Mexicans (New or otherwise) drive up to the Arizona border and just watch? Or is Jerry Springer still more entertaining for the crazy aficionados of the southwest.

      What was wrong with just 47 states?

    1. Limeylizzie

      Ummm , actually I would offer to do that, taking one for the team, if they could wear uniforms.

      1. Nostrildamus

        Lizzie, I'm sure many in the GOP would be up for that, given your taste in uniforms.

        Thanks for bringing the country together!

          1. Ruhe

            "Abortion corn" at first made me think of "abortion porn" which is what this is really all about for coarse dimwits like this "lady".

        1. Barb

          I can't drink right now. My ovaries have gone into shock and the doctor is talking about taking them out now. I have a high fever and I'm banging my head on the desk to try to feel something. Can you tell that I am edgy, LOL?

          1. freakishlywrong

            Awww..shit, I didn't know. I'm sorry honey. Where's that husband of yours to take care of you?

          2. AbandonHope

            Oh dear… I hope you get better soon!

            Did your ovaries go into shock from seeing that shirtless Santorum picture? Because I'm pretty sure it would do that to me, if I had them.

      1. sullivanst

        I thought the copious amounts of alcohol imbibed in the Governor's Mansion were part of the problem…

        Isn't it ironic that she's called Brewer when she's more interested in the output of distilleries?

    1. GOPCrusher

      I used to travel there in the late 70's/early 80's. Always thought about wanting to go back. When they drug their heels at observing Martin Luther King Jr. Day, I decided that they would no longer get anymore of my sweet, sweet, vacation caysh.

  1. Fukui-sanYesOta

    I think AZ lawmakers should be forced to watch an hour long video of facepalms interspersed with scenes of spider monkeys whacking off before they're allowed to vote on legislation.

    1. Native_of_SL_UT

      That should be part of the sex eduction program so the kiddies can see the destructive nature of sex before they do it themselves.

  2. SorosBot

    To be fully informed, should a pregnant woman who wants to keep the fetus have to spend a week taking care of a brood of three or four screeching little brats?

    1. sewollef

      "…a brood of three or four screeching little brats."

      I'm sure there's more republicans in the Arizona legislature than 3 or 4, SB.

      By the way, is that the right collective noun for a group of republicans — a brood?

  3. sati_demise

    Lets hope the fine citizens of Tucson perform an abortion on this lawmaker the next election.

  4. actor212

    Actually, I forsee many great uses for this kind of thinking.

    For example, say you're having a massive heart attack. The hospital can't admit you until you've watched open heart surgery, to make sure you change your life style.

    1. Ruhe

      Or…let's say your contemplating sending your armed forces, unprovoked, into another nation. Shouldn't you have to watch videos of children being blown to bits by bombs and land-mines before you go ahead and commit.

  5. Not_So_Much

    "especially when a foreign object is extracting from a delicate organ"

    Is she talking about her fascination with her own poo? Playtime with her hairbrush?

    What is it they think they win if they are the most extreme asshole on record?

    1. sullivanst

      Reelection, of course.

      You can fool some of the people all of the time. Turns out, that's a big chunk of Arizonans.

  6. Baconzgood

    Free movies at the Abortion plex! This place is getting better and better. I can't wait till they finish the fetus ice rink.

  7. SorosBot

    And fuck, this so fucking maddening. This sentence is so absolutely awful – "Until the dead child can tell me that she/he does not feel any pain" Fuck you dipshit. There is no dead child in an abortion; it is a fetus, not a fucking child; it's a little ball of cells and tissue. And no it doesn't feel pain, for the exact same reason it can't tell you that –

    Now go fuck yourself and stop trying to tell other women what to do with their own bodies, you vile evil piece of shit.

    1. anniegetyerfun

      These are the same people who will tell you that "lower" animals don't have feelings or feel pain.

      1. SorosBot

        Right, and for the same reason they think brainless embryos can still feel pain; because of the "soul". Well if we're gonna bring fantasy concepts into this, then maybe we should make sure abortion is legal because the birth of unwanted babies makes the unicorns and fairies cry.

    2. Callyson

      Aaaand I won't need to leave a comment on this thread, other than to send SorosBot a huge hug for this gem…

    3. DetectiveGrey

      My librul snob high school education always taught me that in order to be considered 'alive', a carbon-based being has to take in fuel and export waste, respire in some fashion, and respond to stimulus. I'm unsure of where a fetus falls on this spectrum, or if it's even a correct way of thinking.

      This shit is why I studied machines in college instead. A lot easier to understand.

    4. dinkybossetti

      Another reason it wouldn't be able to tell her it doesn't feel pain: dead children do not speak.

    5. Steverino247

      Dead zygotes tell no tales!

      Is it "Talk Like a Pirate Abortionist Day?"

      (And good for you, SB! Love the comment.)

    6. dubyatf

      I KNOW, Soros. That so-called sentence really abortioned up my brain. Not only did I realize within the first 30 minutes of reading it that A-Hah! Dead kids can't speak cause they're dead, you see, I also realized I would love to kick this idiotic b*tch in both ovaries at the same time.
      Furthermore! Has she ever given birth to anything besides porny legislation? 'Cause I have, and I have something to say about my uterus and all uteri in general: they are NOT delicate. In fact I'm pretty sure my uterus could take her with one Fallopian tube tied behind its back.
      The nimrods get nimroddier.. Is there no zenith? Sheesh and crikey.

    7. dubyatf

      And one more thing.
      Watching an actual abortion procedure is supposed to be some sort of dramatic deterrent mechanism, I guess, but it would have about the same impact as observing a pelvic exam, which I'm supposing is going to totally miss the desired after grossout factor. Unless you're a 2.5 year old boy and you're in the room with your mom when she's having her annual exam because your father works for the Department of the Interior and in order to qualify for per diem pay your father gets relocated every 9 months so your mom doesn't know anyone who can babysit you and must therefore take you with her. Now, I grant THAT could leave a scar. (Seriously, I didn't know a soul, and who knew he'd be paying attention?)

  8. bumfug

    If they really wanted to curb abortions they'd make 'em watch Michael Bay movies. Women will do anything to get out of that.

  9. freakishlywrong

    The fact that this is a "woman" is highly suspicious. Really, bitches, no matter how much you roll over for them, they'll never accept you.

  10. MissTaken

    "if it doesn’t harm a woman then she shouldn’t care, and don’t we want more transparency and education in the medical profession anyway? We demand it everywhere else"

    Um, no. I didn't get to watch a video when I had a cyst removed from my wrist. I didn't realize I should have demanded it.

    1. prommie

      But that cyst was alive! It was a life! Just like the millions of poor, defenseless, innocent cancers plucked from their hosts every year. Won't someone think of all those living things?

    2. proudgrampa

      I had one removed from my shoulder. The cool thing is, my doctor let me have a couple of martinis before he started.

      He was the best doctor I ever had. They don't teach martini-drinking in med school anymore.

  11. freakishlywrong

    But, but conservative media said the "war on women" is a hoax perpetuated by the "Democrat" party!

  12. Sassomatic

    Or or or, you could have ALL pregnant women watch 1) an abortion and 2) childbirth, then let them choose. I wonder how that would turn out.

    1. CivicHoliday

      Indeed! And none of this medicated I'm-half-asleep-while-pushing bullshit, we need some all-natural full-bush screaming blood and shit smeared home birth action.

        1. AnAmericanInTO

          Shit, if I watched a C-Section before I had one, I'd be the only woman around with a 7 year old in-utero.

      1. Sassomatic

        Yeah, people tend to know about the blood and screaming, but it's the shitting they don't know about.

  13. Limeylizzie

    They should be made to watch my ex trying to perform cunnilingus and cutting to my bored expression.

    1. Dashboard Buddha

      Coffee on screen now…thank you.

      Aside…really? Cunni is not that hard as long as the practitioner is earnest and willing to learn.

      1. SorosBot

        Yeah, it's both simple and very fun to do. What's wrong with a guy if he's not a full, eager performer?

        1. Dashboard Buddha

          Back when I was in property maintenance, I cleaned offices with this dude named Brazzil. He had this really bizarre aversion to cunnilingus. So, of course, since we had lots of drive time between job sites, I would tell him how great it was at every chance I got. It passed the time.

          1. Dashboard Buddha

            Two working class dudes…driving around between jobsites all night…and NOT talking about sex?—

  14. Oblios_Cap

    This creates a problem for the Frothy Pope. A movie with pregnant women, Vaginas, and insertion and it's a snuff film to boot! When will Santorum denounce this decadent practice? He's already come out against anyone's right to watch p0rn.

  15. prommie

    I am proposing that everyone must watch the "pink slime" video before ordering chicken mcnuggets.

  16. RadioStalingrad

    And why stop there? What about aprés dilatation and curettage? They should have to eat their own fetus and personal pan placenta's.

  17. SayItWithWookies

    Maybe Arizona legislators should've been forced to watch a person die for lack of a kidney transplant before they cut the state's Medicaid and Medicare eligibility.

  18. Dashboard Buddha

    Wait…if a woman is forced to watch a movie about an abortion, doesn't that mean that an abortion must first be performed? And, if we're looking at the immutability of the soul, wouldn't such a video set on endless loop somehow bring pain to the soul of the aborted child?

    Why does this woman hate souls?

  19. BaldarTFlagass

    We could save a WHOLE FUCKING BUNCH of money on healthcare costs if we made everyone watch someone get a procedure done before they got one for themselves. Colonoscopy, anyone? Varicose vein removal? Hemorrhoidectomy? Eeeewwwww.

          1. GOPCrusher

            The saddest part of this is that there probably a whole group of fucknuts that get their rocks off while looking at colonoscopy pictures.

  20. Callyson

    My delicate organ is getting sick and tired of all the attention it has been getting from the Republicans lately. My delicate organ wants to tell them all to fuck off and mind their own business.

  21. ttommyunger

    Arizona: still looking for a few good zygotes…..The Few, the Proud, the Fucked in the Head!

    1. JustPixelz

      I think the Repubicans who are hysterical about "Obamacare", should watch a woman die of breast cancer because she couldn't get affordable health insurance.

  22. edgydrifter

    If you replaced a howler monkey's skin with beef jerky and fed it nothing but vodka and corn syrup for six months, you'd have a hard time telling it apart from Gov. Brewer.

    1. GOPCrusher

      Idaho actually, but yeah, couldn't believe when I heard that this guy was saying that women were claiming to be raped just so they could get an abortion. If Chuck Winder gets a single female vote in the next election, I will be shocked.

    1. chicken_thief

      Mittens may be tapping Jeb thanks to the bold endorsement. He may even ask him to be Veep., too. Also.

  23. dittoBot3000

    The next logical step is for a woman getting an abortion to actually perform an abortion first.

    1. sullivanst

      Isn't the end-game to have the woman performing the abortion on herself, just like in the pre-Roe days they so crave?

      1. dittoBot3000

        Good point. Though, the ultimate goal is for woman to have sechs only with their Church-approved spouse, missionary, on a bed, for procreation, no lube, no lighting, awkwardly, eyes clothes, head bent in prayer, thinking of Ronald Reagan or Jeebus, waiting for it to end so they can do the laundry.

        1. sullivanst

          "Church approved"? But what about atheists and infidels?

          Oh, wait, that's not a bug, it's a feature. Silly me!

  24. Trannysurprise

    But what if the women have already seen "The Undefeated"? Oh wait, none of them have seen that. NEVERMIND.

  25. BaldarTFlagass

    If a woman has to watch another abortion prior to her having her own abortion, what about the woman who is having the abortion that she is watching? Did watching a more-previous abortion not deter her?

    1. Toomush_Infer

      Yeah, I'm wondering where are all these women who can afford to have abortions just so these other women can watch them – they aren't cheap, you know…

    1. gurukalehuru

      She was a Moebius Stripper in a perpetual abortion machine
      She was a Moebius Stripper in a perpetual abortion machine
      Every time she got an abortion
      there was one that she'd already seen

  26. LettucePrey

    You know, every morning I turn to Wonkette and see another abortion-related laff riot, and I think "Haha, those brilliant satirists, what story have they made up today?" only to find out that no, this shit is actually going down in the U.S.A. We are so fucked.

  27. Baconzgood

    I'm so glad I'm a man. A man with a cock. Those Vee Jay-Jays seem to be some sort of fantastic legal hassle.

  28. HarryButtle

    Abortion porn. Jeezus. I'm trying to raise an 11-year-old girl in Arizona…I wonder what we can expect for her in 5 years.

    I have to move, don't I?

    1. Jukesgrrl

      Just move to the CITIES of Phoenix or Tucson. Both have Democratic mayors. This insanity is brought to you from the endless suburbs of Maricopa Co., populated by people who think they're living in Utah. Your daughter can even get her higher education in Arizona. I know plenty of alums of the U of A and Northern Arizona U. who are perfectly normal. Productive citizens with senses of humor, even.

  29. Terry

    Someone needs to add an amendment to that bill requiring that all men seeking a vasectomy or a prescription for boner medicine have to watch either or both a vasectomy being performed or prostrate surgery. Something invasive that involved bringing a blade near a man's junk.

    See how fast the men will kill that bill.

  30. CivicHoliday

    I'll agree to watch an abortion when you agree to watch a slow-mo video of a middle-aged man with prostate troubles trying to pass a pea-sized kidney stone.

  31. hagajim

    Two things….1. wouldn't an abortion have to be performed to force people to watch an abortion being performed…., and 2. HIPPA

  32. hagajim

    Hell, they killed the one where they had to get a prostate exam if they wanted the boner meds….took about 1/2 a second.

  33. prommie

    They could just have women watch a session of the Arizona Legislature, thats a public abortion.

  34. ElPinche

    I'm ok with it as long the conservative chickenhawks serve a mandatory year on the frontline in whatever war they put us in. The unilateralists get no flack jackets.

  35. Gnatsum

    Personally I’d like to make a law that mandates a woman watch a severely sleep deprived single mom walking around in circles in her shabby apartment with a screaming newborn in the middle of the night before that woman is allowed to have a "blessed event" If it’s not a life it shouldn’t matter, if it doesn’t harm a woman then she shouldn’t care, and don’t we want more transparency and education in the medical profession anyway? We demand it everywhere else. Until the abused and neglected unwanted child can tell me that she/he does not feel any pain — I have no intentions of clearing the conscience of the living – I will be voting SHUT UP OLD WHITE MAN AND KEEP YOUR LAWS OFF MY BODY.

  36. NorthStarSpanx

    So, if you become a disgruntled staffer of Representative Proud (R-Tucson,) does that mean you'll always be a Proud staffer, even when you are not?


    My new proposal: before voting for a Republican you'd have to live with one of them for a week. The end.

  38. Isyaignert

    WTF?!? I had knee surgery and was asked if I wanted to watch – I said, "No thanks." These people who are all up in other people's sex lives really need to smoke a joint and get laid or something.

  39. Nesnora

    Sure, as long as Terri Proud is forced to watch a video showing the way women had to do it BEFORE it was legal and a professional medical procedure. You know, with metal hangers and swamp voodoo and a wooden "biting stick" and endless screaming. To make it even more educational, lets cast in a 10 year old rape victim. For perspective.

    1. Jukesgrrl

      What is this word "privacy"? It's not in the Conservapedia's dictionary. The video can be shot from a drone. You won't even know it's happening.

  40. Isyaignert

    Remember those frozen embryo "snowflake babies" that the GeeDub administration fawned over and had people adopt in an effort to end stem cell research (those fukkers).

    Bill Mahar said, "You can't put a real baby the freezer like you can a "snowflake" baby, ergo, the "snowflake" baby ain't a real baby.

  41. Carrabuda

    Um, duh, GOP. The reason we want to evict them is obvious: they're behind on the rent. How many months will the government force us to lodge these unemployed bums?

  42. Steverino247

    The most irritating part of these stories is knowing that the true reason behind the fight against universal health care in this country is the desire to make abortions illegal again. If abortion and birth control were forbidden under any circumstances, we might be able to get everything else treated. I'm really fed up with the right's obsession with female reproduction (or the lack thereof) getting in the way of having affordable health care for everybody.

  43. velma__dinkley

    So then pregnant women will need to watch a birth with perineal lacerations, labial lacerations, and vaginal lacerations before deciding to proceed, right?

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