GREAT LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS  8:09 pm February 29, 2012

WI Senator Wants Law Saying Single Parents Are Probably Child Abusers

by Kirsten Boyd Johnson

He kind of looks like an evil warlock, even.

Reducing rates of child abuse and neglect is a topic everyone can agree is important. Now, says Wisconsin state Senator Glenn Grothman, let us consult the Ouija board to figure out which entire category of people make up the secret witches behind this evil and make a law telling everyone to hurl poop and screams at them! What is that look, this is how it’s always done, as a Republican. So which lucky group gets to be the demon this time? Gays? Mexicans? Blacks? Homeless polar bears? Public school teachers? People who use the word “football” to refer to “soccer?” The abused children themselves? Let’s check the text of the bill: “In promoting those campaigns and materials, the [Child Abuse and Neglect Prevention Board] shall emphasize nonmarital parenthood as a contributing factor to child abuse and neglect.” Single parents! Let’s murder them all and end child abuse, forever.

If you don’t want to kill them, since they make up a third of all Wisconsin parents, the state would at least like you to learn the importance of regarding them with suspicion. Here’s more of the bill:

Section 1. 48.982 (2) (g) 2. of the statutes is amended to read:
48.982 (2) (g) 2. Promote statewide educational and public awareness campaigns and materials for the purpose of developing public awareness of the problems of child abuse and neglect. In promoting those campaigns and materials, the board shall emphasize nonmarital parenthood as a contributing factor to child abuse and neglect.

Section 2. 48.982 (2) (g) 4. of the statutes is amended to read:
48.982 (2) (g) 4. Disseminate information about the problems of and methods of preventing child abuse and neglect to the public and to organizations concerned with those problems. In disseminating that information, the board shall emphasize nonmarital parenthood as a contributing factor to child abuse and neglect.

Well now we know how to stop child abuse in the Catholic church; just force all those priests to get married. [WQOW.com via Wonkette operative "Abby"]

 
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nounverb911 February 29, 2012 at 8:11 pm

"Calling Single Parents a Bunch of Child Abusers"
If a child has two parents doesn't that double their chances of being abused?

DustBowlBlues February 29, 2012 at 8:36 pm

Only if one of them is a Catholic priest.

PrimlyStable March 1, 2012 at 12:00 am

I think that raises the odds significantly more than a mere doubling.

poncho_pilot February 29, 2012 at 9:58 pm

i think those are the Casino rules. but you have to decide that at the start of the hand.

also, if you get two of the same parent they be can split into two sets of parents, both of whom can hit you.

Negropolis February 29, 2012 at 10:12 pm

Oh, that was good, nounverb; that was really good.

portlandpatti March 6, 2012 at 8:44 pm

I can NOT believe that there is someone so ignorant sitting in a Seat of Government where important decisions are made. Good God,!!! This is the most ludicris thing I have ever heard !!!!!!!

memzilla February 29, 2012 at 8:15 pm

The only child abusers here all have an [R] after their names.

I_P February 29, 2012 at 8:37 pm

Or "Father" before their first.

comrad_darkness March 1, 2012 at 9:03 am

You're implying that cutting funding for prenatal, postnatal care and school lunches for those millions of impoverished American kids might be child abuse? What are you, some kind of loaves and fishes Jesus freak?

sewollef March 1, 2012 at 9:13 am

"The only child abusers here all have an [R] after their names."

Would that be Retard or Republican?

Kind of Redundant I know.

imissopus February 29, 2012 at 8:15 pm

Between single moms and poor people who use food stamps and take welfare payments, is there anyone in this country conservatives don't want to publicly mock and scorn? Besides really rich people and closeted GOP legislators, of course.

Fare la Volpe February 29, 2012 at 8:29 pm

Priests? Tax evaders? Hitler???

imissopus February 29, 2012 at 8:44 pm

Based on the current state of the party and their slate of presidential candidates, I'm going to say no, no, and no.

Naked_Bunny March 1, 2012 at 11:13 am

Andrew Breitbart.

BS4Dummies March 1, 2012 at 4:41 am

Neglectful Dead Beat Dads?

johnnyzhivago February 29, 2012 at 8:18 pm

Sounds like a good argument for gay marriage.

Fare la Volpe February 29, 2012 at 8:18 pm

Speaking as someone whose senior Bachelor's thesis was actually on contributing factors to child abuse and neglect, I believe I have some authority to tell the honorable gentleman from Wisconsin to violently fuck himself.

Crank_Tango February 29, 2012 at 8:23 pm

Yes, but what expertise do you possess in violent badger auto-penetration?

On second thought, I don't think I wanna know…

Fare la Volpe February 29, 2012 at 8:25 pm

I have some experience in sideways chainsaw fucking. Forcible.

Crank_Tango February 29, 2012 at 8:37 pm

I prefer consensual sideways chainsaw lovemaking, but tomato, tomahto, I guess.

Fare la Volpe February 29, 2012 at 8:39 pm

You're such a romantic.

Designer_Rants February 29, 2012 at 9:03 pm

too soon!

mull_man February 29, 2012 at 8:28 pm

fucking oneself=self abuse
Glenn Grothman developmental level=pre-adolescent
∴
Child Abuse

qed

Trinket February 29, 2012 at 11:38 pm

I…I think I lurves you.

Fare la Volpe March 1, 2012 at 1:02 pm

So what am I so afraid of?

sezme March 1, 2012 at 10:43 am

Speaking as someone who was raised by a single mother in Wisconsin, Fuck you, Senator Greasy.

boobookitteh February 29, 2012 at 8:19 pm

If only there were some way to prevent or end pregnancy in unmarried women.

noodlesalad February 29, 2012 at 8:24 pm

Abstinence! Which means, for white male Republican state representatives, crystal meth and rent boys.

horsedreamer_1 February 29, 2012 at 10:20 pm

"Mr Richard Smoker, he's a poopy poker, Chardonnay & cocaine with the boys…"

noodlesalad February 29, 2012 at 11:10 pm

Dancing in your buster browns, swirling to the techno sounds…

Nice reference!

Lynne February 29, 2012 at 10:16 pm

I like your reply the very best of all!

comrad_darkness March 1, 2012 at 8:55 am

No no no, you miss the whole point. The point is to make the mouth breathers feel superior about themselves by being given a license to mock an entire new class deemed by the government to be lower than themselves. Solving problems is what liberal socialist losers try to do. This isn't intended to solve a problem. It does exactly as intended: lay blame.

RadioCualquier February 29, 2012 at 8:22 pm

I know where there is at least $9 million being wasted that could help in implementing this perfectly sane legislation.

noodlesalad February 29, 2012 at 8:23 pm

By this logic, we should re-legalize polygamy. What could be safer than having a hundred moms and a dad who can provide for all of them (maybe with a little help from food stamps). Something tells me Representative Grossdude would be more than pleased to see that happen.

Dudleydidwrong February 29, 2012 at 10:13 pm

I see Mitt jumping up and down, waving his hand violently and screaming "Yes!" "Yes!" like the smart little bastard in your fourth grade class who was always jumping up and waving his hand. Mormons will be behind you 100% but santorum will be behind them.

SudsMcKenzie February 29, 2012 at 8:23 pm

I'm disappointed with any legislation that doesn't include some kind of "Probing".

Barrelhse February 29, 2012 at 8:24 pm

Then they came for the single parents, and I said "Enough is E-fucking-nough, you shit for brains assholes!"

and little fucking Tripp better watch his ass.

ThundercatHo February 29, 2012 at 10:52 pm

Fan-fucking-tastic.

Fare la Volpe February 29, 2012 at 8:30 pm

You know who else thought single parent families were a threat to the nation?

BlueStateLibel February 29, 2012 at 8:34 pm

Dan Quayle?

Local_Mojo February 29, 2012 at 8:35 pm

Button Gwinnett?

tessiee February 29, 2012 at 10:46 pm

Yes — but in his favor, he did have a pretty awesome name.

FlownOver March 1, 2012 at 12:15 am

Well played, Mojo – well played indeed.

I_P February 29, 2012 at 8:40 pm

Richard Simmons?

tessiee February 29, 2012 at 10:46 pm

"Smithers, release the Richard Simmons robot." — Mr. Burns

anniegetyerfun February 29, 2012 at 11:47 pm

I happen to know a Canadian man who would probably marry you entirely based on your ability to randomly quote The Simpsons.

iburl February 29, 2012 at 8:41 pm

Mike Brady?

CapnFatback February 29, 2012 at 8:42 pm

Mike and Carol Brady?

Doktor Zoom February 29, 2012 at 8:57 pm

Brigham Young?

RadioCualquier February 29, 2012 at 9:10 pm

Rev. Sun Myung Moon?

rocktonsam February 29, 2012 at 9:11 pm

Stupid Flanders?

C_R_Eature February 29, 2012 at 9:19 pm

Charles Kuralt?

Deportably_Jose February 29, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Barrelhse March 1, 2012 at 7:32 am

I noticed a glaring omission on the blogroll there.

horsedreamer_1 February 29, 2012 at 9:57 pm

"Liberal" lion Daniel Patrick Moynihan?

not that Dewey February 29, 2012 at 10:11 pm

My sister's divorce judge?

gullywompr February 29, 2012 at 10:27 pm

Fred MacMurray?

BS4Dummies March 1, 2012 at 4:44 am

Republican dead beat dad Joe Walsh?

Doktor Zoom February 29, 2012 at 8:31 pm

While he's at it, he might want to look at the creative way that a Florida congregation is helping their pastor, who was convicted of molesting a 15 year old girl. Seeing as how he now has a court order barring him from “unsupervised contact with children under 18 years old,” the congregation voted to Do Something:

They've voted to not allow children to attend church services.

Whose turn is it now? Arizona's, Texas's, or South Carolina's?

Local_Mojo February 29, 2012 at 8:36 pm

Still got to go with Waziristan.

Doktor Zoom February 29, 2012 at 8:38 pm

Meant to also say, too: Actually, if fewer children were dragged unwillingly to church services, that actually might improve our sad sick world, so maybe they're on to something without quite knowing why.

Blueb4sunrise February 29, 2012 at 8:45 pm

Hell, there's whole cities in Arizona that don't allow children.

Loaded_Pants February 29, 2012 at 8:52 pm

Man, that's one fucked up congregation. But, then again, almost all congregations are fucked up. It's like the shit that went down with Eddie Long. They have so much faith & need their church/pastor fix so bad &, like any good addict, are willing to forgive any crime that their dealer commits.

C_R_Eature February 29, 2012 at 9:21 pm

Texas. I think Texas is feeling left behind the Crazy Parade these days.

tessiee February 29, 2012 at 10:49 pm

"Seeing as how he now has a court order barring him from “unsupervised contact with children under 18 years old,” the congregation voted to Do Something:

They've voted to not allow children to attend church services."

WTH?? What, was he molesting the little shits during ACTUAL CHURCH SERVICES?

not that Dewey March 1, 2012 at 12:11 am

[the congregation will please rise]

Joshua Norton February 29, 2012 at 8:31 pm

Attention parents. Hide your children from people like this immediately. When they start carrying about weird tales of "child abuse" it usually means they have a few hard drives full of kiddy porn and a windowless van.

horsedreamer_1 February 29, 2012 at 10:21 pm

You've been on Hwy. 67 at nite, then?

iburl February 29, 2012 at 8:36 pm

It must be tough in Wisconsin becoming a widow and a child abuser at the same moment.

Designer_Rants February 29, 2012 at 9:08 pm

Especially when said widow must go door to door informing that they're now "a single parent". Or will they just go the Scarlet Letter route?

iburl February 29, 2012 at 9:20 pm

When we have a mormon president, she can just join her neighbor's family as wife #…

emmelemm February 29, 2012 at 9:44 pm

Pink triangles, yellow stars, scarlet letters…

Jukesgrrl March 1, 2012 at 12:12 am

Very festive. And Anna Wintour-approved.

emmelemm March 1, 2012 at 1:20 am

Pieces of flair!

not that Dewey March 1, 2012 at 12:14 am

They're fascistly delicious!

Fare la Volpe March 1, 2012 at 3:13 am

Green clovers, blue moons, purple horseshoes…

(I'm going to hell, I know)

emmelemm March 1, 2012 at 1:17 pm

I'll see you on the bus. (To Hell.) Save me a seat.

MOG2410 March 1, 2012 at 1:46 pm

Perverted Lucky Charms?

horsedreamer_1 February 29, 2012 at 9:58 pm

DEAD IRAQI FREEDOM VETERAN LIBEL!!!!

… No, but, seriously…

CapnFatback February 29, 2012 at 8:37 pm

This sounds like a ridiculous and far-fetched stipulation, but in Wisconsin, all wedding rings act as mini-shock collars that are triggered simply by the neural activity that occurs when parents think about abusing their children.

See? I mean, if that ring thing weren't the case, this legislation would be ludicrous.

Blueb4sunrise February 29, 2012 at 8:37 pm

So they changed 'Promote' to ' Disseminate '. De-semenate?

As a personal side note: I was mostly raised by a single mom who got rid of a drunken, abusive, worthless shit.
Love ya dad, may you be rotting in some santorum hell.

On second thought, here I am commenting on Wonkette, so maybe I'm not a good example.

Fare la Volpe February 29, 2012 at 8:59 pm

Oh psh!

I was raised by two supportive, happily married suburbanites, and look how I turned out.

Also, cheers for your mom. It takes a lot of lady balls to do what she did.

Blueb4sunrise February 29, 2012 at 9:16 pm

Yikes!

Yeah, this was back in medieval times too. So she deserved the props. Eventually shacked up with a much nicer man too.

comrad_darkness March 1, 2012 at 9:02 am

I'll raise one to your momma too. May they all be as strong.

I'll take the middle ground, raised by medium suburbanites, and yet here we all are, sharing the happiness of snark.

marinmaven February 29, 2012 at 8:39 pm

I get it. Both Clinton and Obama were raised by single moms only to wildly successful enough to beat the GOP in general elections to become president.

They demonize single mothers and then wonder why women chose to abort pregnancies to avoid the becoming the evil and unworthy single mother. Bah!

I happen to know a lot of "good, Christian, nuclear families" who abused and neglected their children over the years. So there is that.

pinkocommi February 29, 2012 at 8:40 pm

If sex were outlawed, only criminals would have sex.

Don't take my word for it, just ask the NRA.

Doktor Zoom February 29, 2012 at 8:44 pm

You know, I posted this little story yesterday during the Primary From Hell thread, but it really fits far better here, so if the Wonketariat doesn't object to a bit of repetition, I'd just like to share this once more:

So, Tuesday afternoon, I'm reviewing files at my temp job at Family Court Services, and in a custody modification petition, one of the reasons that Dad gives for why he should have primary custody of the kiddos is that Mom "has allowed [the 12 year old daughter] to maintain a Facebook account." Yep, apparently the guy thinks that's prima facie evidence of poor parenting. (Also damning, Mom has a boyfriend who "sleeps over" at her house, and she "regularly exposes" the chirren to cigarette smoke) This is the sort of stupid mundane shit people drag into court to try to make each other look bad.

And then I'm also checking the parties' criminal histories, which is when I find that Dad has a 2001 conviction for Child Enticement.

So, yeah, I guess he actually would have some special insight into the risks that a Facebook account might pose for kids.

(Note to Senator Grothman: Dad in this case has re-married, so he's in one of those blessed 2-parent households. That makes him the Good Guy in this story, I guess)

bagofmice February 29, 2012 at 8:59 pm

Definitely a time to go black hat. For the children.

102415 February 29, 2012 at 9:05 pm

Actually, you can't tell that story too many times.

C_R_Eature February 29, 2012 at 9:09 pm

This Bedtime Story lovingly illustrated by Gahan Wilson.

Designer_Rants February 29, 2012 at 9:14 pm

What, pray tell, is "Child Enticement"? Actually if it's anything like Stranger Danger, offering little kids candy, windowless van type of thing, then let's just leave it at that.

C_R_Eature February 29, 2012 at 9:23 pm

I'll bet it involves Clowns. Horrible, horrible Clowns.

Doktor Zoom February 29, 2012 at 9:29 pm

Idaho Child Enticement Laws (For once, not a rickroll)

EDIT: I liked C_R_Eature's answer a lot better, though

Designer_Rants February 29, 2012 at 10:06 pm

That definition is what I was afraid it was going to be…

tessiee February 29, 2012 at 10:54 pm

This is why people can't stay in those jobs for very long.

valthemus February 29, 2012 at 11:18 pm

Catholic Charities would rather close its doors than allow a same-sex couple to adopt a child. Now that they have the free time, do you think they'll do anything to help fix fucked up straight couples who can become fucked up parents without anyone's approval?

Jukesgrrl March 1, 2012 at 12:18 am

Jesus. I can't get a date on Saturday night, but a felon child abuser with little regard for his own children's welfare and a hysterical grudge against their mother can get a second wife?

Not that I really care about getting a date on Saturday night. I have a leftover Wonket Friday night thread with a start on 2,000 comments.

Chillwillard February 29, 2012 at 8:44 pm

Sounds like Senator Grothman is also a frothman.

C_R_Eature February 29, 2012 at 8:45 pm

I'm finding this post surprisingly easy to break furniture to.
My only regret is that at least some of it isn't over the head of Senator Glenn Grothman.

Doktor Zoom February 29, 2012 at 8:58 pm

Oh, hey, I have this old chifforobe that needs bustin' up…

C_R_Eature February 29, 2012 at 9:06 pm

I'll be right over.

We will need to pile the shattered fragments outside and set them on fire afterwards, laugh, howl and drink.

It's part of the process.

tessiee February 29, 2012 at 10:55 pm

Mayella Ewell FTW!

sharethegrief February 29, 2012 at 9:26 pm

Look at him. He can't help it. He was the kid in high school who ate by himself in the cafeteria.

C_R_Eature February 29, 2012 at 9:41 pm

Listen, an unhappy childhood is no excuse to grow up to be Wicked Uncle Ernie, Fiddling About with your Laws all up in other peoples business.
Grow up, you evil fucker.

iburl February 29, 2012 at 8:45 pm

I know of a family that had a single mother, and then she remarried a cop, who proceeded to repeatedly rape the children. But he was a Republican cop, so those little girls were asking for it, I'm sure.

Dashboard Buddha February 29, 2012 at 10:21 pm

Were the children "blessed" with children?

Jukesgrrl March 1, 2012 at 12:23 am

If not, I'm sure they can console themselves with alcohol and drug abuse, clinical depression, other facets of PTSD, and/or the hideous future boyfriends they'll choose. Seriously, let's hope they were blessed with a really great therapist and a responsive court system.

Dashboard Buddha March 1, 2012 at 7:51 am

“a responsive court system.”We've moved from a simple blessing to a full-blown miracle, then?—

heathenette March 1, 2012 at 9:17 pm

What is this “responsive court system” you speek of? Right now I’m trying figure out how to help some kids when a “responsive court system” is protecting the perp, who works for them. Any suggestions?…LEGAL suggestions?

Trinket February 29, 2012 at 11:43 pm

Thanks, iburl. That's the sort of thing i count on my fellow wonketteers to report so we all don't succumb to the gravest sin of all: despair.

AddHomonym February 29, 2012 at 8:50 pm

All the single ladies
All the single ladies
All the single ladies
All the single ladies
Hate Glenn Grothman

di_da_is_alpha March 1, 2012 at 3:27 am

Yeah, but they love me, and I'm voting "anybody but Obama." Now give me a kiss.

larrykat February 29, 2012 at 8:50 pm

See folks? We have all manner of asshole Republicans here in FitzWalkerstan. Wonkette should just get a subscription to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel and this blog would write itself every day.

Designer_Rants February 29, 2012 at 9:15 pm

How's that whole FBI investigation going? Badly (for Walker) I hope?

rocktonsam February 29, 2012 at 9:20 pm

AND The Wisconsin State Journal to keep it real.

Rotundo_ February 29, 2012 at 9:23 pm

The Urinal-Stuntinel isn't worth much besides bird cage liner material: They're deluded enough to try the NYT access limit and pay wall crap for hack writing. This particular cracker is from West Bend and is evidently hell bent on making a name for himself in the senate. In republican circles, making a name for yourself is about the same as making an ass of yourself. Old cracker needs to sober up and retire and go fishing or something besides be a pest for jeebus.

horsedreamer_1 February 29, 2012 at 10:00 pm

Dave Umhoefer & his PolitiFact Posse will prove beyond any shadow's doubt that Grothman's claim is above reproach.

Mark it.

FlownOver March 1, 2012 at 12:23 am

My money's on "Mostly True." They stay away from absolutes, even about absolutist gops.

horsedreamer_1 March 1, 2012 at 12:58 am

True. I loved their Monday takedown of a chain e:mail circulating amongst public sector retirees. Yet, never any action against the equally unserious Charlie "Three Wives Dumping" Sykes & Mark Belling.

Abernathy February 29, 2012 at 8:53 pm

Gross, man.

user-of-owls February 29, 2012 at 8:56 pm

What a peach of a guy, that Grothman.

RadioCualquier February 29, 2012 at 9:12 pm

I'll bet he likes peach fuzz too.

di_da_is_alpha March 1, 2012 at 3:24 am

Oh lord, it's poopyhead. Hey, whatdaya think about this …..

"Under my plan, energy prices will necessarily skyrocket." What was the price of gasoline on January 20th, 2009? What does gas cost today? Will it go up or down between now and November?

Americans vote with their wallet. Fact. Obama's toast. Also fact. : )

MOG2410 March 1, 2012 at 1:50 pm

Hmm, one opinion. I'm loving the 13,000 DOW.

Texan_Bulldog February 29, 2012 at 8:58 pm

What? Is Scotty not being enough of a dick for WI & he's stepping up to fill the void?

If he's not a member of NAMBLA, I'll kiss my dog's ass.

Loaded_Pants February 29, 2012 at 9:01 pm

You know, I'm not an expert like someone who's actually done research on child abuse & neglect nor a genius Senator from Wisconsin. I don't have a huge social circle but when I think of most of the people I know who were abused/neglected as children, they came from 2-parent heterosexual households with a strong emphasis on good Christian values like punishments from the Old Testament.

BarackMyWorld February 29, 2012 at 9:12 pm

OT: Rachel Maddow's on fire right now with statistical proof that Republicans are getting nuttier and Democrats aren't.

Jukesgrrl March 1, 2012 at 12:30 am

Wasn't that great?! Later, I loved the Bloomberg News chart she highlighted that said $1,000 invested in the stock market during Republican presidential administrations starting with Nixon would now be worth around $2,000. Whereas, $1,000 invested the same way during Democratic presidential administrations starting with Kennedy would be worth almost $10,000 today. Anyone who claims Republicans are good for the economy should have this chart tattooed on their chests.

MilwaukeeKent March 1, 2012 at 1:00 am

I must have seen the same chart in a blog or something. The contrast was astounding, literally a geometric factor of ten in terms of how business does under Democratic versus Republican administrations. all evidence is the GOP isn't fit to govern except during good times — and then their only evolutionary purpose is to turn good times bad.

WhatTheHeck February 29, 2012 at 9:14 pm

Lemme see. God the father (single) fathered a son. Left the mother of his son to explain it to her husband, who apparently is not important to the story.
When did the abuse start?

Rotundo_ February 29, 2012 at 9:25 pm

Well it ended with him letting the kid get nailed to a cross, so it got pretty out of hand. Sounds like a real prick to me.

ManchuCandidate February 29, 2012 at 9:16 pm

Based on what we have seen with self righteous and unaware GOPers I have a feeling his nickname is "Uncle Bad Touch."

C_R_Eature February 29, 2012 at 9:46 pm

"Kinko the Clown" at parties and on weekends.

Doktor Zoom February 29, 2012 at 9:20 pm

Lydia Schatz

Hana Williams

Sean Paddock

Just the first three names of children I found in a quick bit of googling–killed by parents in Good Christian Families, applying "the rod of correction," because the Bible told them to tame their unruly children.

Don't worry, you can find more.

not that Dewey February 29, 2012 at 9:54 pm

Sure, but in theory, godless people are more deserving of public scorn, because they have no non-materialistic basis for their code of ethics, unlike god-fearing xians, who will be easily forgiven for anything they do wrong. See?

Chichikovovich February 29, 2012 at 10:07 pm

Of all the bad arguments that the Fundies give (and not just fundies, I know a couple of otherwise sensible non-crazy non-fundie Christians who make this argument all the time) is the "how can you be moral if there's nothing deeper justifying your evaluations of right and wrong"?

Well, when I read stories like those Dr. Zoom gives, I gladly say – those murdering parents and the sadistic fundies who wrote the book guiding them are immoral, evil people. Hitler was evil. The Argentine torturers in the dirty war were evil, immoral people. So the Christian asks: how can you say that? It's just your opinion.

I reply: what? You think they're not evil? That's crazy! I've never been surer of anything in my life. And if you think it can't be justified unless you add "Oh, and God says so too" I wonder about you.

Really, Plato explained this dialectic with complete clarity in the Euthyphro. I hate that we keep having to refight this battle with these morons.
Is it Evil because the Gods hate it? So if God started loving it would it stop being evil? You say: no – God hates it because it's evil. OK, if it's already evil, then I'm right. Eliminate the middle-man, I say.

not that Dewey February 29, 2012 at 10:33 pm

No shit. Humanism is the means and the end. It may sound tautological, but there is no other reason to treat people with humanity and respect than the good that comes from treating people with humanity and respect.

We affirm that moral values derive their source from human experience. Ethics is autonomous and situational needing no theological or ideological sanction. Ethics stems from human need and interest. To deny this distorts the whole basis of life. Human life has meaning because we create and develop our futures. Happiness and the creative realization of human needs and desires, individually and in shared enjoyment, are continuous themes of humanism. We strive for the good life, here and now. The goal is to pursue life's enrichment despite debasing forces of vulgarization, commercialization, and dehumanization.

-The Humanist Manifesto II

Doktor Zoom February 29, 2012 at 10:49 pm

See? The Secularists want to tell you how you can raise your children!

fuflans February 29, 2012 at 11:03 pm

i occasionally forget that attention to human achievements is far more important than attention to human attempts to understand an unknowable deity.

thank you and thank god i went to a secular university.

tessiee February 29, 2012 at 10:59 pm

I'm no expert, but aren't there verses in the actual bible where God not only condones murder, but actually smites people for killing the bad guys of a given moment with insufficient thoroughness and zeal?

not that Dewey February 29, 2012 at 11:09 pm

Pro-life!

Chichikovovich February 29, 2012 at 11:18 pm

Yes, there is an awful lot of that. For examples, there's a websitehttp://www.evilbible.com/That collects a lot of the really shocking things God is said to do or commands or permits in the bible: massive genocide, slavery, murder, etc.Not that there is much new on the webpage – this stuff has been written about for hundreds of years, at least since the days when David Hume, Diderot and Voltaire were writing their skeptical essays on religion. —

ShaveTheWhales February 29, 2012 at 11:20 pm

Yup. God is Love (except when he's a murderous, vengeful bastard).

fuflans February 29, 2012 at 11:00 pm

well that's so cheery and i hope all all those bewitched parents fall in a particularly hott balefire and burn to a crisp.

see!?!?! this is what religion does to the secular humanist. makes us emotional.

Biff February 29, 2012 at 9:21 pm

Dude. Seriously? That is so gross Groth.

Deportably_Jose February 29, 2012 at 9:23 pm

Huh, weird, because for my family, abuse was the reason for the divorce.

Guess that make us one hell of a fluke, huh?

ShaveTheWhales February 29, 2012 at 11:21 pm

You statistical outlier, you.

littlebigdaddy February 29, 2012 at 9:27 pm

Haha, he said "disseminated." BTW, is that why it's called "seminary"?

tessiee February 29, 2012 at 11:00 pm
C_R_Eature February 29, 2012 at 9:39 pm

Well God said to Abraham "Kill me a Son."
Abe said "Man, you must be puttin' me on!"
God said "No."
Abe said "What?"
God said "You can do what you like but…
Next time you see me comin' you better run.
Abe said "Where you want this killin done?"
God said "Out on Highway 61."

Blueb4sunrise February 29, 2012 at 9:46 pm

Davy Jones?

C_R_Eature February 29, 2012 at 9:50 pm

Close! No, the Other Teenage Idol Heartthrob:

Bob Zimmerman

Jukesgrrl March 1, 2012 at 12:41 am

Good old Zimmie, from Hibbing, Minnesota, the town where people take government assistance while berating the government for giving it to them and electing a representative who votes against the programs in the name of cutting government spending.

“'I don't demand that the government does this for me. I don't feel like I need the government,' said Ki Gulbranson, who counts on an earned-income tax credit and has signed up his children for free meals at school." In the town he's from, residents get on average $1 in federal assistance for every $4 they earn.

That would be a nice lyric for Bob to set to music.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/us/even-critics

C_R_Eature March 1, 2012 at 5:36 am

Yeah, and they can use it as a nice backgrounder for Fox N' Friends and Rush Limbaugh so all the nice old white folks from Hibbing can enjoy it. Because, you know, they don't watch or hear anything else.
Christ.

Barrelhse March 1, 2012 at 7:58 am

Hibbing Town, Hibbing Town,
Everybody's got their head bowed down
Sun don't shine above the ground

BarackMyWorld February 29, 2012 at 9:40 pm

I keep waiting for Republicans to become so extreme they go off the cliff and get destroyed, but that cliff is a lot farther away than I ever thought.

comrad_darkness March 1, 2012 at 9:09 am

The Overton Cliff?

TinyDespot February 29, 2012 at 9:44 pm

This stinks like a goddamn shithouse in Hell. I wish to fuck these cretins would stop embarrassing the state I *used* to be proud to live in.

Jukesgrrl March 1, 2012 at 12:45 am

Take heart. Suds MacKensie and the other Wisconsin Wonketeers will lead your state back into the light.

Doktor Zoom February 29, 2012 at 9:47 pm

Cripes, doesn't Sen. Grothman keep up with the latest research?

Redhead February 29, 2012 at 9:52 pm

Oh for fucks sake. Were all these politicians dropped on their heads as babies?

tessiee February 29, 2012 at 10:45 pm

By single parents?

Jadetiger79 March 1, 2012 at 3:31 am

I am struggling to understand the logic behind this. I just can't make it…ugh. Feel like Sisyphus.

Help?

salt_bagel February 29, 2012 at 9:53 pm

Is there even a way to have a baby without first getting man-woman married?

Mahousu February 29, 2012 at 10:00 pm

Apparently, Grothman still lives with his mother, so perhaps this bill is his way of getting back at her.

horsedreamer_1 February 29, 2012 at 10:02 pm

You know who else got caught for child enticement in Wisconsin?

Why, the domestic partner of Scott Walker's bodyman, Tim Russell.

Mahousu February 29, 2012 at 10:02 pm

By the way, his Wikipedia page is fairly remarkable.

Dudleydidwrong February 29, 2012 at 10:31 pm

"Remarkable" is one way to put it. "Fucking loony" seems a bit more accurate.

tessiee February 29, 2012 at 11:03 pm

Remarkable for its loathsomeness, perhaps — and even then, not compared to other Repukes.

not that Dewey February 29, 2012 at 11:08 pm

Holy Crap!

Grothman believes the kindergarten program for 4-year-olds should be defunded by Governor Scott Walker because any academic benefits disappear by the fourth grade, and the program is used by school districts to pad their budgets to get more state aid.

Grothman has argued that Martin Luther King Jr. Day should not be a work holiday, calling the day off "an insult to all the other taxpayers around the state". He has expressed doubts that "state workers would be 'checking out DVDs or reading books' about King and would probably just be out shopping or watching television instead."[8] He released a statement opposing a Kwanzaa holiday, stating that we should "treat Kwanzaa with the contempt it deserves before it becomes a permanent part of our culture."

He is a co-sponsor of Senate Bill 19 (2011), which removes the requirement of mandatory disinfection of groundwater in municipal water systems, a requirement that was imposed in reaction to a Cryptosporidium outbreak in 1993, which killed at least 104 citizens of Milwaukee, and sickened thousands of others

Pro-life, indeed.

anniegetyerfun February 29, 2012 at 11:57 pm

So, you're saying he hates black people? That's so weird, I just assumed that some of his best friends were black.

not that Dewey March 1, 2012 at 12:18 am

He doesn't hate them; he just feels better when they're not around. For instance, when they get poisoned by avoidable groundwater contamination.

Jukesgrrl March 1, 2012 at 12:50 am

I'm sure a lot of them are women, too. Something tells me, though, his BFF is Tim Russell.

barto February 29, 2012 at 10:03 pm

And let's be sure to do this with zero supporting evidence! And don't forget the gays – where we have TWO single parents!!!!

Negropolis February 29, 2012 at 10:06 pm

Hey, Grothman. Why not leave the science to the scientists, okay?

BTW, can we forward a motion emphasizing that Republicans are an especially and particularly stupid and dull subset of the Americna population?

Biel_ze_Bubba March 1, 2012 at 8:32 am

If he did that, he might find that child abuse correlates with far-right Xtard parents.
And I'll bet the farm it's more prevalent among the fucktards who vote for him.

Neoyorquino February 29, 2012 at 10:11 pm

Since Grothman is cool with baseless attributions and assumptions . . . after looking at his photo, let me just say: nice Pedo-smile™.

Mumbletypeg February 29, 2012 at 10:11 pm

Someone please tell me this guy has a man-crush on his preachy-keen idol Rick Santorum, and is trying to get Creamcup's attention with this slam on single parents. What other reason would anyone with a boatload of issues facing his constituency isolate the one issue that hasn't been relevant in umpteen years, other than to emulate the ultimate diaper-soiling public figure who thinks the nation's problems can be solved with wedding bells and hetero-supremacy?

tessiee February 29, 2012 at 11:04 pm

"his preachy-keen idol Rick Santorum"

"preachy-keen" narrowly edges out "feral law" for Pun of the Day.

Negropolis February 29, 2012 at 11:12 pm

Well now we know how to stop child abuse in the Catholic church; just force all those priests to get married.

Zing!

Really, talk about social engineering.

ttommyunger February 29, 2012 at 10:12 pm

Quite a portrait. The expression clearly says: "Hey, look at me, I'm nucking futz!".

ttommyunger March 1, 2012 at 6:43 am

At least I'm not Rightarded.

Biel_ze_Bubba March 1, 2012 at 8:29 am

Looks like that user was deleted by your comment.

ttommyunger March 1, 2012 at 11:18 am

The slings and arrows we suffer for the cause!

horsedreamer_1 February 29, 2012 at 10:24 pm

Who knew that cutting funding for higher education in Sconny would make us so much stupider so quickly?

Lynne February 29, 2012 at 10:26 pm

Do you think they have some sort of undercover Republican betting pool as to which one of them can come up with the most outrageous, offensive ideas? I've never seen such stupidity…ever!

valthemus February 29, 2012 at 11:43 pm

It's like a month by month plan to systematically alienate every voter in America. Eventually the GOP leadership will try to enact legislation so only male white land/business owners (the only ones they haven't pissed off) will be able to vote and their plan to take us back to the 1800s will be complete.

Wait, I forgot… didn't John Stossel already write about how only certain people ought to be allowed to vote? They're showing their hand…

littlebigdaddy February 29, 2012 at 10:29 pm

Looking at that haircut and that clueless (we don't use the R-word here at Wonkers) grin, I would be willing to bet $10,000 that there is an underaged boy somewhere in his compound.

anniegetyerfun February 29, 2012 at 11:58 pm

Republican. There. I said it. Ban me if you want.

Toomush_Infer February 29, 2012 at 10:29 pm

So do they insert these nutty rule changes based on some national elephant strategy to pander to the slightly less than insane camp followers who nevertheless have perceived that the economy is better than they hoped, or are these shitfaced losers doing it on their own?….. btw, the only child abuse in all my vast relative family occurred in a fundamental Baptist two-parent family, where the parents of the father also lived in and participated in the sick, fucking patriarchal craziness…

tessiee February 29, 2012 at 11:09 pm

Not to make light of a bad situation, but I had a friend who grew up in a household where abuse (including sexual abuse) went on for years, in several different combinations of people. He wondered, "Did they ever bump into each other in the hallway at night?"

owhatever February 29, 2012 at 10:34 pm

This particularly applies to those kids whose fathers were killed in Afghanistan and Iraq, leaving those abusive mommies free to put their kids on the streets dealing drugs.

tessiee February 29, 2012 at 10:38 pm

All kidding aside, is this guy an albino? He's actually whiter than Newt.

tessiee February 29, 2012 at 10:44 pm

Shorter: Bignose wants to pay himself thirty-squirty brazillion dollars to xerox a bunch of flyers that say "Single Moms Suck".

Come here a minute February 29, 2012 at 10:57 pm

Our immigration laws must be reformed to account for the millions of undocumented laborers from Mexico, etc. etc.

But when it comes to soccer, I fucking hate Mexicans!

USA USA USA

tessiee February 29, 2012 at 11:07 pm

Jeez, his hair is blonder than his teeth.

not that Dewey February 29, 2012 at 11:14 pm

From the Official Glen Grothman Biography: (edited for clarity)

Wis. Right to Life Pro-Life Hero Award 1996, Sanctity of Life Award 2004; Pro-Life Wis. Legislator of the Year 2010, 1995; Wis. Curves for Women Legislator of the Year Award 2003; Wis. Guild of Midwives Legislator of the Year 2006; Wis. Bear Hunters Assn. Hero Award 2010.

So, clearly, he loves women. It's that last one that has me puzzled.

anniegetyerfun February 29, 2012 at 11:59 pm

I'm not puzzled, although I really had him pegged as someone who went for twinks.

not that Dewey March 1, 2012 at 12:03 am

That's what's so puzzling.

Jukesgrrl March 1, 2012 at 12:55 am

Curves for Women Legislator of the Year Award 2003? You mean that exercise chain dedicated to making us ladiez more healthy and attractive is handing out awards to women-hating wingnut Republicans?? Say it ain't so!

Barrelhse March 1, 2012 at 8:06 am

Maybe he shits in the woods?

mavenmaven February 29, 2012 at 11:20 pm

Correct, allow gay marriage and adoption and the problem is mollified.

MinAgain March 1, 2012 at 12:03 am

So, if you're a single mother whose boyfriend abuses your child, you can make it all better by marrying the creep?!?

DarwinianDemon March 1, 2012 at 12:30 am

Aw, come on…someone post how after Romney spent 4 million in MI, he gets the same number of delegates as Rick Santorum so we can point and laugh…PLEEEEASE!

MilwaukeeKent March 1, 2012 at 1:22 am

Grothman is probably the third biggest force for all the garbage that's been put on Wisconsin, after Walker and the Fitzgerald thug who heads the senate. A smug prig with one of the safest seats, he calmly spews this kind of thing on a regular basis, why not insult a third of the families in the state? They have a mandate after all, these guys. They won it all in 2010. He looks like he came from a generation that still reads newspapers, so you'd think he'd pick one up now and then. If he read them for only a week maybe he'd figure out there isn't just one cause, one situation or even a more likely one for child abuse or neglect. But no, he's got to demonize some group, because it makes the other shit kickers feel better about themselves and more likely to vote for him.

di_da_is_alpha March 1, 2012 at 3:18 am

Just abort the little bastards and problem solved. Right, leftists?

Jadetiger79 March 1, 2012 at 3:35 am

How in the hell does this man have the word INCUMBENT behind his name?

lochnessmonster March 1, 2012 at 6:32 am

outlaw Divorce!

sewollef March 1, 2012 at 9:11 am

Oh crap…. I'm one of those… you know, one of those who call it….. Football.

It's ok, I'll take take my punishment. It's just like my wife says to me from time to time , "it's a fine line between the English and the ghey".

I think she means it in a supportive kind of way.

ZHollows March 1, 2012 at 9:26 am

It should also be pointed out that Grothman was the Senator last year who kindly called all of us protesting in Madison a bunch of slobs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbKIeuL3GhM

Basically he's a gigantic asshole.

CivicHoliday March 1, 2012 at 10:02 am

Hey there all you wives suffering from domestic abuse – don't you dare seek a divorce, because the presence of that drunken behemoth of a husband is the only thing keeping you from beating up your kids!

OneDollarJuana March 1, 2012 at 10:13 am

Lose a spouse, go to jail.

drflkps March 2, 2012 at 10:00 am

Alan Colmes interviewed Grothman last night. Grothman spent most of the interview talking about how single mothers get pregnant on purpose for the government handouts (you know, because they live like royalty on welfare and food stamps). He also said that back in the 1950s and '60s, you didn't see many kids born out of wedlock because it was a mark of shame and humiliation. So, basically, this has nothing to do with any so-called statistics on abuse and everything to do with stigmatizing and demonizing single mothers. It's just another initiative from a pernicious, woman-hating right wingnut designed to turn back the clock several decades (if not centuries).

BobCadue March 7, 2012 at 6:23 pm

I usually stay out of politics, but this idiot takes the cake! Senator please tell me just how you came to this conclusion. I would also like to know just how you came to be elected with such an ignorant ideology. You have, if nothing else proven that light has a much higher speed than sound. You looked like a quasi-intelligent person until I heard the noise from your gums flapping in the breeze. People with such unrealistic ideas as this should never be able to sit in public office. You should hide your face in shame, better still resign your position, and perhaps take some of the other dim wits with you when you go.

comrad_darkness March 1, 2012 at 9:09 am

No no, He changed His mind after He had kids. I guess as a single Dad. . .

Jukesgrrl March 2, 2012 at 11:56 pm

Excellent.I forgot all about Oxford Town, but the minute I read your post I remembered every word.

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