FACTS ARE STUPID THINGS  1:57 pm January 12, 2012

New York Times Wondering Whether It Should Tell the Truth About Anything

by Ken Layne

At least he doesn't have a Twitter account ...Lie-plagued yuppie lifestyle app The New York Times has a big problem. On the one hand, it wants to have lots of link-bait articles full of lies — anything a politician says, “yoga will kill you,” etc. On the other hand, it has a few nervous-nelly editors wondering whether there is some “market share potential” in occasionally publishing the truth about events, people and situations. This is the newspaper that has blindly supported every imperial war since 9/11, and has blindly nodded its consent to global supervillains such as Dick Cheney and Alan Greenspan. And now it’s suddenly having a conversation with itself about whether it should note which things are obviously true or untrue. Whatever, Noam Chomsky!

This, from the milquetoast schoolmarm currently employed as the “public editor” of the NYT:

I’m looking for reader input on whether and when New York Times news reporters should challenge “facts” that are asserted by newsmakers they write about.

One example mentioned recently by a reader: As cited in an Adam Liptak article on the Supreme Court, a court spokeswoman said Clarence Thomas had “misunderstood” a financial disclosure form when he failed to report his wife’s earnings from the Heritage Foundation. The reader thought it not likely that Mr. Thomas “misunderstood,” and instead that he simply chose not to report the information.

Another example: on the campaign trail, Mitt Romney often says President Obama has made speeches “apologizing for America,” a phrase to which Paul Krugman objected in a December 23 column arguing that politics has advanced to the “post-truth” stage.

Wow, where to begin? Maybe just don’t, and instead link to Choire Sicha’s post at The Awl, where he notes that 99% of the commenters at the NYT are bizarrely in favor of the Paper of Record reporting actual facts. [The Awl/NYT/Metafilter]

 

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GunToting[Redacted] January 12, 2012 at 1:59 pm

NYTimes fail journalizm 101? That's unpossible!

MittsHairHelmet January 12, 2012 at 2:06 pm

Super Nintendo Chalmers

OneDollarJuana January 12, 2012 at 2:11 pm

And imbelievable.

Generation[redacted] January 12, 2012 at 2:34 pm

"Just go to sleep, America, and let the other countries learn."
"Sleep! That's where I'm a Viking!"

Boojum_Reborn January 12, 2012 at 4:09 pm

And grammar. I'm looking for input on whether reporters know how to structure a sentence so that it doesn't end with a preposition. Or if impactful proactivititiousness is what winning the future is about.

Barb January 12, 2012 at 2:00 pm

It's now known as the "grey area lady"

Callyson January 12, 2012 at 2:30 pm

I thought it was the blah lady…

SorosBot January 12, 2012 at 2:40 pm

For a second I read that as "grey lady area", and was uncomfortably reminded that there is such a thing as granny porn.

Barb January 12, 2012 at 2:56 pm

Granny Porn? A 60 year-old woman who will hump you and then give you a butterscotch?

themcwow January 12, 2012 at 3:47 pm

Barb, why has IntenseDebate made you the green area lady?

neiltheblaze January 12, 2012 at 2:00 pm

Why start telling the truth now? They might get accused of being Liberals.

Beetagger January 12, 2012 at 2:00 pm

All the truthiness that's fit to print.

memzilla January 12, 2012 at 2:01 pm

Drudge Report laughs and spins everything to the right, NYT worries and spins everything left. Lighten up, Times! No one cares about Teh Troof, just the spin.

I personally want a fusion of Politifact.com, Factcheck.org, and C-SPAN. I'd love to see a chyron with "Pants On Fire Lie" — live! — every time John "Weepy" Boehner, Mitch "Turtle" McConnell, Eric "Asshat" Cantor, and Paul "Screw The Poorz" Ryan open their pieholes.

CHUDster_Arthur January 12, 2012 at 2:24 pm

Ah, yes. Another day of David Brooks and Neckbeard spinning everything Left.

ifthethunderdontgetya January 12, 2012 at 2:24 pm

I personally want a fusion of Politifact.com, Factcheck.org, and C-SPAN.

You would end up with "Should we nuke Iran tomorrow, or would that be too late?!"
~

Negropolis January 13, 2012 at 2:16 am

Spins everything to the left? You okay?

Wonderthing January 12, 2012 at 2:01 pm

Readers, what IS a reporter? Is it someone who reports? Or writes a book report? Or is it the sound a gun makes over and over? Please tell us so we can take our fingers out of our ass, try to make sense of it all and then have Jell-O. Shots. Ew.

mavenmaven January 12, 2012 at 2:01 pm

Waiting for the NY Post Headlines: NYT SAYS: TRUTH SHMUTH

user-of-owls January 12, 2012 at 2:06 pm

TIMES HACKS WHACK FACTS

tessiee January 13, 2012 at 12:45 pm

"NYT TO FACTS: DROP DEAD"

MissTaken January 12, 2012 at 2:01 pm

'I’m looking for reader input on whether and when New York Times news reporters should challenge “facts” that are asserted by newsmakers they write about.'

Maybe having to put the word "facts" in quotes already answers your question.

SorosBot January 12, 2012 at 2:04 pm

This is not intended to be a factual news article.

MissTaken January 12, 2012 at 2:06 pm

You're back! Done sleeping off the hangover/up too late posting on the Wonkette?

SorosBot January 12, 2012 at 2:14 pm

I was spending some of my involuntary vacation in Skyrim.

smokefillednewyear January 12, 2012 at 2:26 pm

I live in a Skyrim household.

Fare la Volpe January 12, 2012 at 2:50 pm

God, you too? It must be a really gentrified neighborhood if all of my friends keep moving there.

Baconzgood January 12, 2012 at 2:20 pm

DAMN! beat me to it.

Chichikovovich January 12, 2012 at 2:09 pm

Wow. Good eye. That is a game ending tell right there.

(Note to NYT: proper respect for facts would require the quotation marks on "news reporters" and "write" rather than "facts" in this sentence.)

HateMachine January 12, 2012 at 2:41 pm

Not in the grey lady's official style manual!

Baconzgood January 12, 2012 at 2:20 pm

Who are "you" to "tell" the "New York Times" how to "report" and "vet" "facts".

MittsHairHelmet January 12, 2012 at 2:02 pm

This was published in an actual newspaper.

Preferred Customer January 12, 2012 at 2:36 pm

I am not ready to concede that.

Barrelhse January 12, 2012 at 6:15 pm

Not intended as a factual statement.

Gratuitous World January 12, 2012 at 2:02 pm

i'd be pissed but I'm pretty sure I read in the NYT that Brisbane will soon be subject to obama's death panels.

PsycWench January 12, 2012 at 2:02 pm

Eh, facts, so 20th century.

smokefillednewyear January 12, 2012 at 2:15 pm

Reality is so over.

Fukui_sanYesOta January 12, 2012 at 2:24 pm

Reality has been done for a while.

the series of increasingly sophisticated Bell test experiments has convinced the physics community in general that local realism is untenable

ShaveTheWhales January 12, 2012 at 2:51 pm

Nice quote, but it's locality that is so over. I think the physics community still believes in reality.

Fukui_sanYesOta January 12, 2012 at 2:54 pm

Heh, yeah, I took that out of context a little. The Bell Inequality results mean either locality is done or that objective non-measured reality is done.

I'm unaware of an experiment or result that can decide between the two and physicists plumped for locality.

LetUsBray January 12, 2012 at 3:50 pm

"Facts are stupid things" — St. Ronnie.

Schmannnity January 12, 2012 at 2:03 pm

"I’m looking for reader input on whether and when New York Times news reporters should challenge “facts” that are asserted by newsmakers they write about."

That's the difference between "parroting" and "investigating" or "reporting," jackass.

pdiddycornchips January 12, 2012 at 2:16 pm

Why don't they ask Judith Miller about her thoughts on this subject?

MaxNeanderthal January 12, 2012 at 3:27 pm

You'd think that they'd compare the lifespan of newspapers that sort of print something that bears an approximation of the truth, eg. London Times, Le Figaro etc. with the lifespan of an abject, drooling sycophancy-sheet, eg, Any paper in the third reich, North Korea, Libya etc, and draw their own inferences… but then again, maybe not…

FlownOver January 12, 2012 at 2:03 pm

Truth? We ain’t go no truth. We don’t need no truth. I don’t have to show you any stinking truth.

Chillwillard January 12, 2012 at 2:03 pm

What's the matter, Times? You can't handle the truth?

user-of-owls January 12, 2012 at 2:04 pm

"It's ok, Meghan, stop crying there by your typewriter. We'll just get you a vat full of Nair and that'll take care of things. Really, you'll see!"

Dashboard Buddha January 12, 2012 at 2:04 pm

"I’m looking for reader input on whether and when New York Times news reporters should challenge “facts” that are asserted by newsmakers they write about."

I'm not a journalist so help me out here…

ISN'T THIS THEIR FUCKING JOB?!

DaRooster January 12, 2012 at 2:04 pm

Does FOX hate the competition yet?

spends2much January 12, 2012 at 2:05 pm

I watch the Daily Show and Colbert Report for news, and read the New York Times for laughs. I'm just kidding; I don't read the Times!

Baconzgood January 12, 2012 at 2:05 pm

"Hey we need some one to check facts….Get Jayson Blair on it"

-Great Grey Lady Editor-

smokefillednewyear January 12, 2012 at 2:19 pm

We need a story on Jukt Micronics–stat! (I know that was Stephen Glass, but still..)

sati_demise January 12, 2012 at 4:12 pm

oh snap

PsycWench January 12, 2012 at 2:05 pm

Think of how often they'd have had to challenge Sarah Palin in 2008. The challenges about the bridge "thanks but no thanks" claims alone would require an extra paper section.

bumfug January 12, 2012 at 2:05 pm

Watch out, this "truth" shit is a slippery slope.

Chillwillard January 12, 2012 at 2:06 pm

I've always wandered: how much time you think the libtard NYT commenters spend writing those fancy essays/comments?

SorosBot January 12, 2012 at 2:06 pm

No, Times, showing balance is the important thing, not truth. Keep with the "some people say the Earth is round, some flat" style of reporting, or else someone might say you have a liberal bias, which they'll do anyway despite it being bullshit, and that's the worst thing that could ever happen to you.

Fukui_sanYesOta January 12, 2012 at 2:13 pm

Oh yeah, that whole balance thing is definitely the way to go.

"The general consensus among scientists is that humans evolved from a common ancestor with the apes over the course of millions of years. However, Kelvin W. Poltroon, Lucasian Professor of Evolution at the University of Wichita (formerly a branch of Arby's), claims that he has evidence suggesting that humans evolved from a goat-badger hybrid."

MissTaken January 12, 2012 at 2:15 pm

Human badger don't give a shit

Fukui_sanYesOta January 12, 2012 at 2:17 pm

Ewww! He's eating a monster fatburger! He's so nasty!

Chillwillard January 12, 2012 at 2:20 pm

Exactly. It's almost like Stockholm Syndrome, with Rightwingers being their captors (well, except that the NYT aren't really victims, they are just dumbasses who are afraid their shitty paper won't sell).

Fare la Volpe January 12, 2012 at 2:51 pm

Hey. Stop being mean to poor CNN.

BZ1 January 12, 2012 at 2:06 pm

Colbert calls them pesky facts-reporting as "truthiness"

poncho_pilot January 12, 2012 at 2:06 pm

what are these strange newspapers you speak of?

widestanceshakedown January 12, 2012 at 2:06 pm

Tis truly a sad state of affairs when a paper of record has to resort to facts just to keep readership.

freakishlywrong January 12, 2012 at 2:07 pm

"News" is now IMHO. Your move, Orwell.

Donner, Party of 1 January 12, 2012 at 2:08 pm

Is this the same paper that published Judith Miller?

Schmannnity January 12, 2012 at 2:08 pm

Would the NYT publish The Pentagon Papers now in the face of a hot denial from a Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld?

HateMachine January 12, 2012 at 2:45 pm

Sorry, but this entire scenario is implausible. There's simply nothing 'hot' about Donald Rumsfeld.

spends2much January 12, 2012 at 2:09 pm

I like the part that's all "but if we check out one fact, we'll have to check them all !" Cuz that would totally eat into their drinking time, and possibly cause, I don't know, an 8 hour work day.

ChernobylSoup January 12, 2012 at 2:09 pm

As long as they only report facts in quiet rooms, I'm okay with it.

Mumbletypeg January 12, 2012 at 2:10 pm

but but but I thought that whole logo in black and white showing the guy with the monocle meant he was scrutinizing everything that came along across his path?…

oh, wrong publication.

BaldarTFlagass January 12, 2012 at 2:15 pm

Well, it's an easy mistake, since they both have "New York" in their titles.

Mumbletypeg January 12, 2012 at 2:18 pm

My [ass-backwards] point, exactly! (p.s. I don't stutter in real life, either)~

Chichikovovich January 12, 2012 at 2:10 pm

There are people who feel the NYT ought to report facts, but there are skeptics who disagree.

ShaveTheWhales January 12, 2012 at 2:54 pm

Win.

Well, in my opinion. There may be those who say otherwise.

Chichikovovich January 12, 2012 at 3:32 pm

Time will tell. The only constant here…. is change.—

Boojum_Reborn January 12, 2012 at 4:11 pm

And what is important is that we present arrant nonsense as it were the equivalent of indisputable fact, so that you can decide!

BarackMyWorld January 12, 2012 at 2:11 pm

New York Times Wondering Whether It Should Tell the Truth About Anything

WHY START NOW?!?!

smokefillednewyear January 12, 2012 at 2:11 pm

Who needs facts when you have Project Veritas?

DemmeFatale January 12, 2012 at 2:11 pm

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!

freakishlywrong January 12, 2012 at 2:12 pm

Look at fucking Politifact. They had to name a truth the "lie of the year" because wingnuts had won for the two previous years and everyone knows that facts should be fair and balanced. *Facepalms..

SorosBot January 12, 2012 at 2:16 pm

But the Ryan plan would still leave something called Medicare, so saying the plan to destroy Medicare would destroy Medicare was a pants-on-fire lie! Sort of like how, if I drove off with your care but left a Matchbox car behind, to say I stole your car would be a pants-on-fire lie.

Radiotherapy January 12, 2012 at 2:12 pm

Thank Zeus for SOPA. It will totally fix this oversight of "factual" reporting.

Baconzgood January 12, 2012 at 2:13 pm

I’m looking for reader input on whether and when New York Times news reporters should challenge “facts”——-

And this, ladies and gentlemen, from one of the last great bastions of investigative journalism in this country *dry clicking a revolver in my mouth*.

BarryOPotter January 12, 2012 at 2:42 pm

Don't despair, try ProPublica for the investigative-y stuff

Millennial Malaise January 12, 2012 at 3:21 pm

Also, I am more than happy with my Harper's subscription.

bitchincamaro2 January 12, 2012 at 2:15 pm

BBC Radio "Hardtalk" interviewers know how it's done. Reporter interviewed the admiral in charge of Gitmo this morning. He pointed out the fact that the royal BS espoused by the admiral was opposed to his commander-in-chief's view of the efficacy of preventive detentions especially as it applies to Guantanomo. Not that they're perfect, but why do we have to rely on the BBC for this kind of responsible reporting?

Fukui_sanYesOta January 12, 2012 at 2:19 pm

State-funded and therefore EVIL. </wingnut>

SorosBot January 12, 2012 at 2:28 pm

Yeah, it's pretty sad that the only way to get good journalism in America is to watch or read foreign news sources.

MARCdMan January 12, 2012 at 2:16 pm

What do the advertisers want? That's what you'll get.

BaldarTFlagass January 12, 2012 at 2:16 pm

They should take their lead from America's Finest News Source, The Onion.

tessiee January 13, 2012 at 12:52 pm

Considering that when Dumbya stole the 2000 election, the Onion's headline was "Our Long National Nightmare of Peace and Prosperity is Finally Over", you may be right.

KeepFnThatChicken January 12, 2012 at 2:16 pm

Yes, you should. Snopes is too prone to serve pop-ups.

MissTaken January 12, 2012 at 2:17 pm

I fully understand. I caught a case of the "facts"once, too. Started recycling, taking public transportation to work, and voting for Democrats. Yikes!

BaldarTFlagass January 12, 2012 at 2:18 pm

I just wish they would make the crossword easier. And how about some comics? That Marmaduke always gives me a chuckle.

emmelemm January 12, 2012 at 3:56 pm

Family Circle, please. "Oh, that Billy!"

Barrelhse January 12, 2012 at 6:23 pm

and Nancy, Brother Juniper, Hazel- hilarious stuff.

DaRooster January 12, 2012 at 2:18 pm

"Facts?! You can't handle the facts!!"

ManchuCandidate January 12, 2012 at 2:19 pm

But how will help politeness and bipartisanship?

freakishlywrong January 12, 2012 at 2:25 pm

And civil intercourse?

elviouslyqueer January 12, 2012 at 2:35 pm

Wait. Is civil intercourse the kind that doesn't result in santorum spillage?

Mahousu January 12, 2012 at 3:29 pm

I think it's the non-competitive sort.

tessiee January 13, 2012 at 12:53 pm

??
I usually say Thank You afterwards, but then, I'm just a polite person.

SorosBot January 12, 2012 at 2:39 pm

What if we prefer our intercourse rough and dirty?

Mahousu January 12, 2012 at 2:19 pm

Look, everyone at the Times is going to be laid off / bought out / early retired in the next year or so anyway. Why should they make their remaining time unpleasant by actually doing their jobs?

sati_demise January 12, 2012 at 4:20 pm

Exactly.

Eve8Apples January 12, 2012 at 2:19 pm

Will reporting on these "fact" things help sell more papers or increase ad revenue?
If not, why bother?

Stick to stories on celebrity hookups and hoity-toity fluff pieces. The NY Times – We're Fit to Print Pointless Bullshit.

donner_froh January 12, 2012 at 2:19 pm

The Times shouldn't challenge "facts". Their job (which they have been doing so wall for so many years) is act as a stenographer and megaphone for whatever set of lackeys shows up.

Maman January 12, 2012 at 2:20 pm

Cripes. No wonder I can't my teenagers to think critically.

CrunchyKnee January 12, 2012 at 2:20 pm

Puzzlemaster Will Shortz is outraged!

James Michael Curley January 12, 2012 at 3:03 pm

Shortz is an outrage before Memorial Day. And then, only on Casual Friday.

DahBoner January 12, 2012 at 5:07 pm

#WINNING

smokefillednewyear January 12, 2012 at 2:22 pm

All the shit that ain't fit to print.

WhatTheHeck January 12, 2012 at 2:22 pm

Look, Ken, if I read sumpin on the interwebs, its gotta be right. And speaking as a primate, let me assure you twittering is for stupid humans.
Oh, and by the way, there's a group of chimps just hangin around ready to step in for those NY Times reporters and they will work for peanuts. Who needs college anyways.

sati_demise January 12, 2012 at 4:22 pm

I read the news to confirm what I read on Twitter 5 hours earlier.

Baconzgood January 12, 2012 at 2:25 pm

OH PS everyone.
Yoga will only kill you if you're lactose intolerant.

Fukui_sanYesOta January 12, 2012 at 2:28 pm

Next time on Dr Oz – can this miracle plant extract prevent lactose-intolerant Yoga deaths? We lift the lid on information you MUST know!

man I hate that fucking Dr Oz show.

Callyson January 12, 2012 at 2:35 pm

YOU: Taking Facts Seriously

Fukui_sanYesOta January 12, 2012 at 2:45 pm

It's a failing of mine. Oh well.

Barrelhse January 12, 2012 at 6:27 pm

Don't eat the toad food.

natoslug January 12, 2012 at 7:49 pm

Slow fucking brain today. It took me five hours to finally understand your pun. I feel so American now.

UnholyMoses January 12, 2012 at 2:25 pm

There's a reason a free media is in the First Amendment.

Not the second. Not the third. Not the tenth.

The FIRST.

These fuckholes fail to understand why that is, which says a lot about the state of our media and the decline of democracy — and none of it good.

Preferred Customer January 12, 2012 at 2:40 pm

Well, yes, I agree, but a strict ordering puts quartering soldiers ahead of equal protection, so we can't get too caught up in that.

UnholyMoses January 12, 2012 at 3:58 pm

Excellent point …

Boojum_Reborn January 12, 2012 at 4:16 pm

Well, perhaps, but the first ten were a package deal. And besides, soldiers will piss anywhere, so it was a big fucking deal.

ifthethunderdontgetya January 12, 2012 at 2:27 pm

The New York Times thanks Fred Hiatt and company at The War Criminal Post for making them look (relatively) decent, against all odds.
~

BaldarTFlagass January 12, 2012 at 2:28 pm

"whether and when New York Times news reporters should challenge “facts” that are asserted by newsmakers they write about."

Ok, how about just report the obvious bullshit with a bit of snark.

For instance, "a court spokeswoman said Clarence Thomas had “misunderstood” (nudge nudge, wink wink) a financial disclosure form when he failed to report his wife’s earnings from the Heritage Foundation (*cough* blowjob *cough* eat me). That would be a nice compromise.

Boojum_Reborn January 12, 2012 at 4:24 pm

Or even "a court spokesman attempted to claim that a Justice of the United States Supreme Court could not understand a simple form, written in English, and for this reason failed to report this income He did not provide any evidence for this self-serving and patently unbelievable claim. In contrast, we asked 25 random people on the street to read the form and state whether such income needed to be reported. Only the schizophrenic homeless man agreed with Justice Thomas."

SayItWithWookies January 12, 2012 at 2:29 pm

Did President Obama really go on an apology world tour? Maybe, maybe not — we should teach the controversy. Oh — the facts show that he didn't? Well apparently not everyone agrees with the facts — and so we should teach that controversy.

Callyson January 12, 2012 at 2:30 pm

JFC…I've been going back and forth on whether I should give in to the permanence of the firewall and pay for access, but this settles it. I'll use my 20 freebies per month for Gail Collins and Paul Krugman, otherwise the NYT can get bent…

Eve8Apples January 12, 2012 at 2:30 pm

I'm so bored with political coverage anyway. I hope they do a front page, above the fold story on anal bleaching or flower arranging.

elviouslyqueer January 12, 2012 at 2:37 pm

You know who else disingenuously solicited input about "facts"?

SorosBot January 12, 2012 at 2:37 pm

Andrew Breitbart, from James O'Keefe?

Preferred Customer January 12, 2012 at 2:41 pm

Puzzlemaster Will Shortz?

Fukui_sanYesOta January 12, 2012 at 2:46 pm

George W Bush?

Chet Kincaid January 12, 2012 at 3:48 pm

Bestest.

C_R_Eature January 12, 2012 at 9:20 pm

Nope, that was Cheney. George was busy playing Call of Duty and picking out fabric swatches for the Presidential Library.

BarryOPotter January 12, 2012 at 3:21 pm

My boss! And every fucking time I fall for it.. — "What? You want my opinion? Coming!" BYB…

FlownOver January 12, 2012 at 3:33 pm

Dr. Clayton Forrester?

Chet Kincaid January 12, 2012 at 3:48 pm

The author of "The Bell Curve"?

IncenseDebate January 12, 2012 at 2:37 pm

They should publish all the kink that's fit to ink.

chicken_thief January 12, 2012 at 2:41 pm

That could become tedious…

Romney: “Obama goes around the world, apologizing for America…”
NYT reporter: “Mr. Romney, Obama has never apologized.”
Romney: “Well, some people thought he was apologizing.”
NYT reporter: “Who?”
Romney: “Me and my wife. My sons. Everyone at Fox News.”
NYT reporter: “But they would be wrong. It is not correct.”
Romney: “Ok, but we did not know that at the time.”
NYT reporter: “Now that you know, would you like to try again?”
Romney: “Sure! Obama has gone around the world making statements that people thought, at the time, were apologies.”

Maybe they should make the headline "Romney Continues To Lie about Obama Apologies" or something.

Boojum_Reborn January 12, 2012 at 4:26 pm

Yes. Facts are tedious, in comparison to fantasy.

DahBoner January 12, 2012 at 5:05 pm

If you believe something, it's real!

I did'nt realize the NYT was a New Age publication…

FakaktaSouth January 12, 2012 at 2:48 pm

I say asking "should we challenge the obviously blatant lies these assholes tell or just keep quoting them as accepted fact?" is progress for the current media. Pathetic, thanks for FINALLY MERELY considering not speeding up the destruction of our nation progress, but still.

owhatever January 12, 2012 at 2:48 pm

Journalism 101 — Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Never screw the elephants when you are covering the circus. That's about it.

Barrelhse January 12, 2012 at 6:31 pm

I think the elephants are legal in Florida.

chicken_thief January 13, 2012 at 9:39 am

And Alabama, if they are 2nd cousins or closer.

outragedcitizen January 12, 2012 at 2:53 pm

Are you serious, Brisbane? It's fucking call Journalism!

OneYieldRegular January 12, 2012 at 2:55 pm

Oh come off it with the navel-gazing. Why not just stick with letting "facts" be dealt with by the experts on the fashion page?

HateMachine January 12, 2012 at 2:55 pm

Jesus. No snark, it makes me weep that they even feel like they should ask readers about this, as though people would prefer to be lied to for the sake of balance. But at least they're considering it? Although they don't seem to be considering it very strongly.

But thank you, Ken, this is your first piece in a while that has made me laugh in addition to the all-consuming despair, instead of just the despair.

James Michael Curley January 12, 2012 at 3:00 pm

Most curious. Is surprisingly similar to discussion we had after 'Glorious Revolution." We would knock back a few Votkas and Votka and conclude, "Is no news in Isvestia and no truth in Pravda."

Fare la Volpe January 12, 2012 at 3:01 pm

Some people say the New York Times can eat shit. Others disagree.

sati_demise January 12, 2012 at 4:26 pm

Then some say to eat shit and die. Balance.

Boojum_Reborn January 12, 2012 at 4:28 pm

Who disagrees? I challenge the truth of that assertion!

dijetlo January 12, 2012 at 3:02 pm

In related news, Playboy has asked it's subscribers "Would you like to see more titts?"

The world waits breathlessly for their response….

BigDumbRedDog January 12, 2012 at 3:18 pm

Reading this makes me glad that I have been evading the Time's paywall and reading all the shit for free this whole time. Do people actually pay money for this shit?

whatupirondog January 12, 2012 at 3:18 pm

TRUTH VIGILANTE ( TROOTH vi-ji-LAHNT-ay) noun

1) A publication that does not publish any and all bullshit that falls out of a subject's mouth.

Synonyms: total bringdown, unfairandunbalanced

Example:

"Should we go with this "weapons of mass destruction in Iraq" report? The sources seem pretty sketchy to me…"

"Sure, why not? What are we, truth vigilantes or something?"

"lol, etc…"

Dudleydidwrong January 12, 2012 at 3:58 pm

Thanks. You folks have been a big help. I buy the goddamn paper every fucking day and wonder what is wrong with my eyesight. I always read that little non-sentence up in the left corner at the top of the paper as "ALL THE NUDES THAT'S FIT TO PRINT" and I keep wondering if they left that section out of the otherwise-dumb thing. Never have I seen a nude in that paper. Never, I tell ya.

Eve8Apples January 12, 2012 at 4:15 pm

I don't understand how they developed a reputation as a liberal rag if they don't even show a pair of tits every once in awhile.

chicken_thief January 13, 2012 at 9:43 am

There's a shit ton of boobs on the cover the day after every Republican debate.

sati_demise January 12, 2012 at 4:04 pm

aaannnnd? COMMENTS CLOSED, BITCHEZ!

sati_demise January 12, 2012 at 4:06 pm

oh, and that Clarence Thomas thing?
How can one report his wifes income for years, then 'forget' how to read the fucking disclosure form when she is 'hired' by the Heritage Foundation? FACT checking might DISCLOSE that NYT, ya' think?

Boojum_Reborn January 12, 2012 at 4:29 pm

Um…yes and no!

Nostrildamus January 12, 2012 at 4:43 pm

NPR please take note.

Sharkey January 12, 2012 at 4:55 pm

How does Krugman stand it there?

DahBoner January 12, 2012 at 4:56 pm

For a second there, I thought the Yoga Will Kill You article was ghost-written by Pat Robertson.

But then I realized that only 31% of Americans exercise on a regular basis, so it was probably just another lazy American hipster…

mrblifil January 12, 2012 at 5:11 pm

I'm fine with reading lies as long as I know the paper is doing everything it can to limit the costs of production.

Jerri January 12, 2012 at 5:32 pm

But "facts" might not make good fodder for shiny, trendpiecey, interactive slideshows and infographics, Ken!

Preacher_Griz January 12, 2012 at 5:51 pm

Just like the Prophets job was to write God's Word into His Bible WITHOUT QUESTION it is the reporters job to REPORT. Period. End of story. This is not difficult to understand.

sati_demise January 12, 2012 at 5:59 pm

Well that explains it then.

Harry_S_Truman January 12, 2012 at 7:06 pm

That the Times has to even ask this question makes Meta Jesus cry.

ttommyunger January 12, 2012 at 10:18 pm

The publisher of the Pentagon Papers has devolved into nothing more than a daily Pentagon Pamphlet, sadly.

Negropolis January 13, 2012 at 2:13 am

So, the NYT is really going to an existential "To be, or not to be" Hamlet soliloquy, eh?

Bless their hearts.

illnoise January 13, 2012 at 10:42 am

Do I get a free t-shirt for recognizing that photo as the first Mekons album, "The Quality of Mercy Is Not Strnen…"?

coron4 January 13, 2012 at 7:09 pm

"All the news that fits, we print!" Oh, wait… that's the other newspaper of record.

SorosBot January 12, 2012 at 2:51 pm

Luckily the dragon attacks keep the rent low.

Fare la Volpe January 12, 2012 at 3:19 pm

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