Spying the young people hanging out chez Paul, Huntsman and even Romney, Gingrich and formerly Santorum in New Hampshire, you would think that they were slightly revved up about 2012. But New Hampshire’s young people also happen to have the most student debt, on average, of all the states. Many of these young folk are likely living at home, don’t have jobs, and identify with the Occupy movement, if they’re not actually participating in it. What, for this set of New Hampshire residents, might be the advantages of electing a Newt or a Mitt 9000? Since these guys could set up a veritable trust fund for America using their own earnings, could that mean they’ll use their powerful potential positions to use money that doesn’t belong to them (but to us) to make things easier for Our Future?!?! Read on for the surprising answer!
Nooooooooooooooope it does not. In fact, a common Republican argument this time around, made by Santorum, Gingrich, Paul and Perry, is that:
low-interest and subsidized federal loans are driving up the cost of college by allowing colleges to charge more because students have greater access to money to pay tuition and other expenses. Without these loans, they argue, colleges would be forced to cut costs.
Higher-ed peeps say that actually:
the cost of public college has skyrocketed in recent years because state legislatures have funded a smaller portion of university budgets as resources have been moved to health care and other priorities.
Financial aid may be a part of the equation, but so, apparently, is the fact that college enrollment has grown in the past couple of decades. Colleges have not been able to respond efficiently to the growth, leading to higher administrative costs.
President Obama, despite certain unemployment-rate-y evidence to the contrary, is still Your Friend when it comes to student debt: he launched a student loan forgiveness plan back in October 2011, which, by the way, Gingrich has called a “Ponzi scheme.”
Huntsman and Romney have not addressed this issue as much as the other candidates; they’ve both said vague things about strengthening the economy. In all likelihood all these rich white boys (except Santo, who opposes college because it’s for THE ELITE) would probably advise you, college graduate with no job, to sit tight in your childhood bedroom and wait for your local coffee joint Javapalooza to call, because you’re still better off in this job “market” with a college degree than without one, and your mom can’t wait to turn your bedroom into a sculpture studio, so appreciate the next decade in your lumpy twin bed while you have the chance. [The Ticket via Think Progress]








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….Gingrich has called a “Ponzi scheme.”
I thought Newt only knew about Poontang schemes.
I'm not going to be too surprised with his VEEP choice. It's his choice of FLOTUS that has the Vegas lines abuzz.
"Your mom goes to college!"
–Rick Santorum
They need to go to auto mechanic school not fancy liberal colleges!
Don't worry, soon the Repubs will demand legislation preventing anyone holding a college loan from voting.
You laugh…but I can see just seem them trying to do that.
I can see Texas defunding all Liberal Arts programs in public universities.
They haven't already?
Tell the truth: that really wouldn't surprise you.
Oh, you'll be able to vote. Just as soon as you pee in this cup.
And answer these 47 questions, and pay this fee.
….and bring your birth certificate, and photo ID, and passport, and six months worth of financial statements, and your kindergarten diploma and baptismal records.
Dude, legal pot! Enough said.
Without subsidized federal loans, college would be free!
As a pervy older guy who makes pretty good money, I like having more unemployed desperate debt-ridden nubile recent college grads out there.
I lost your email address. Could you send it again, please?
I do love you, you little perv.
And me, you.
This is why gainfully employed single women in the mid-thirties can't get a date. And yes, I speak from experience.
Well there are also unemployed desperate debt-ridden strapping young buck recent college grads for gainfully employed single women in their mid-30s.
I see the potential for a new dating site!
And then the few serviceable gentlemen callers always get, uhm, "lost on the mountain," as you mentioned yesterday? So much for California Free Love!
I feel your pain.
As a guy in his mid-30s who actually can't get a date, I sympathize. Unless you happen to be one of the women I've met and seemed to hit it off with, gave me your number and then never answered or returned my call; then I don't.
Which is it Sorosbot – are you a "pervy older guy" or a "mid-30s dateless dude? I do like you however you roll.
In fairness to us guys in our mid-thirties, we tend to be giant dicks.
I'm in my mid thirties and I prefer gainfully employed women my age. My biggest competition are the younger guys who aren't going out with the women being scooped up by corporate raiders like Soros.
Uh … how old ARE you, dood?
35. I'm also just joking about the going after recent college grads thing.
Spring chicken. I'll see if the niece is available for sexay fun taim.
Soros is involved in the "Bang Bus" too?!?!?
"GOP does not give shit about student debt". Meanwhile, in other news, the pope shits in the wood, all bears convert to catholicism.
Dartmouth is expensive
Hell, UNH is expensive. For a public in-state.
I can attest to that! Just finished the last payment for my daughter – about $36,000 per year for out of staters. Her major is musical theatre, minor is sociology. I'm sure she'll get a lucrative position at the local Dunkin' Donuts when she graduates…
Best o' luck with that the beatgoeson. No education is ever wasted.
Tit, is followed by Tat.
it's cool. Sucking Cock for Rent was my major.
History, then?
Oh please, do you NOT recognize Marketing and Business Administration when you see it?
I wish somebody would've told me that back in college…
I teach history at a uni. And all this time you tell me I've been marking badly written essays when I could instead have just been undoing my zipper and rating on performance!
You might want to have a chat with your co-history professor, Mr Gingrich. He will give you pointers.
But remember: Newt failed to land a job as a permanent Professor, that's why he went into politics (Either that or he wasn't getting enough BJ's).
Well, eww.
Do. Not. Want. "Pointers" from that bloviating hate bubble!
Hey, Gratuitous! It's Chris Christie on Line 1!
The world needs ditchdiggers too son.
No, it doesn't. The unemployed will dig ditches for free.
Ah, the new South Carolina Internship program. Do you think we'll have to supply our own jumpsuits and ankle chains?
Yes, their own.
This would be good here too.
It is really hard to get a job right now. There is a commercial on TV where this lady has some good ideas on how you can get a job. She knows a way for you to go to a special school that can teach you somethings that will make people hire you. The lady in the commercial got a job at a restaurant that only serves ketchup and mustard.
Here is the movie that teaches you how.
I hope it is some help to some of you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYS5NtRXlZQ
banhammer anyone?
Really?
Is there any way that song can be remixed with Rebecca Black's 'Friday'?
ah, ok. I also posted this on the last thread. But this one came up a minute later. So I posted it on this one. I understand your point, so I deleted it from the last thread. I won't do it anymore.
banhammer– (he/she is joking, right? 'cause the song is so bad?)
I think it should be your standing comment for every thread in 2012. Find a way to work it into every post about Herman Cain's dating service for serial ass grabbers and Sarah Palin's August candidacy announcement!
I don't think so, Derrick. (Hugs Derrick)
Sorry, When I see a OT form-letter post that looks like it was written by a Nigerian Marketing dropout posted twice in a row, I assume it's spam.
I'm downfisting your banhammer.
What?
SOMEbody needs to find a for-profit college that offers Irony 101.
Wildcat, got any leads?
No, we'd miss his pictures of Birds N'Shit. He takes really nice pictures of birds.
"N Shit.
Gods…I used to teach at risk teens and commercials like that are aimed straight at them.
and then they take the 'aptitude test' and it tells them to go back to high school..
I understand the waitress who serves only mustard and ketchup, but what's with the white dildo with the red ribbon? Must have been the Tuesday special…
Whom are you kidding, Liz? Compared to Santorum, clown college is elite.
Actually, the unemployment rate for college graduates was 4.3% nationally in September and has likely gone down slightly since then.
Not that student loan forgiveness isn't a great idea – it basically gives young, employed, professionals hundreds of dollars a month back to spend as they please, providing a nice boost to the economy.
Check that socialism at the student union, pal! It's the Granite State, not the Grant State!
The unemployment rate for college graduates in general is low compared to the rest of the population, but the unemployment rate for recent college graduates is ridiculously high. I know in law, what would normally be entry-level positions have going to recently laid-off lawyers with years of experience, and the recent law school grads have very little available – I have one friend who graduated law school in 2009 and is still working as a waitress today (she also manages the place at least).
Agreeing with Soros here. My company has several entry-level positions open but we won't even look at recent grads (or unemployed) resumes because we don't have to. It's shitty, but reality.
Not just young professionals. I've known colleagues to be paying back loans many years after graduating, money they would have spent on car repairs and a new couch and other signs of debauchery.
Too damn bad we don't pay for our citizens' college like the rest of the civilized world (along with health care for all). Jeezuz fuk this country is assbakwards! Wake up folks.
Putting all college age people into the military seems like a good compromise – after a battle is over, they could use the expensive, government provided internet for their courses in fast food resturant management.
Then again, they should pay for that high speed internet access.
Will they be mandatory "volunteers", South Carolina-style?
Now it's all coming together …
Nah, the military likes making officers out of college grads. It's the kids who've had just enough high school to get past the ASVAB that are the ones taking the orders.
Can't the college students work at the colleges sweeping up and cleaning toilets? It's a great way to earn some cash.
Now you want to PAY them? Sochialist!
Newtie's already reserved those jobs for the children of the poor.
You make more money selling your children for medical experiments.
Hello, Mengele Medical Services, how may I direct your call?
Oh, Most Awful of Owls!
I've heard rumours for years of poor peasants on the border between India and Bangladesh being kidnapped and sold for their organs. I never know how much to believe, in these cases, especially since there are so many urban legends involving organ transplants. I hope you're kidding. You're kidding, right?
There have been actual cases of gringos being attacked by mobs of Guatemalans for no more than smiling at a kid in the street due to rumors along those lines. It almost certainly doesn't happen, but the belief that it does can get you a good thrashing…or worse.
I believe he or she was making a reference to Monty Python and the Meaning of Life, so it's OK.
Given that the only jobs in America's future are pawn shop counter clerks, swamp loggers and truck drivers, do we really need these expensive colleges anyway?
You forgot exterminators, and hoarder junk haulers.
I hear that Hooveround has been hiring more lately.
There's plenty of jobs in the begging industry!
For $9.99, + S&H, I will send you a book on how to break into this lucrative industry.
Seven years of college down the drain…
I have an interview tomorrow at Lipton as an Iced Tea Tester!!!
Teabag Tester?
Ruh roh.
Only because Marcus Bachmann suddenly said he wasn't available.
I thought he had plenty of free time now.
The Proffs at South Carolina work for free ,right?
Liz, you 'bout gave me a heart atttack when you posted "formerly Santorum" with a linkie. I thought maybe he had been squeezed out of the race today! Remember, sweetheart, a lot o' the bloggers here are teh oldz.
Wait — these are the same Republicans who whined and complained when President Obama basically cut out the middleman in student loans by having the DOE administer them rather than banks — that he was instituting a government takeover of the loan industry, right?
Too bad that they've been trying to get rid of education grants for decades now, and are further from that goal than ever before — their brand of fuck-you generosity deserves no response more articulate than two minutes of farting noises.
Douchebaggery 101
Let's see how far that book learnin gets em in debtors prison.
Ah get born, keep warm
Short pants, romance, learn to dance
Get dressed, get blessed
Try to be a success
Please her, please him, buy gifts
Don’t steal, don’t lift
Twenty years of schoolin’
And they put you on the day shift
Don't forget:
"Join the army if you fail"
On the stripper pole, kids. That's how folks pay for school now.
You mean she wasn't lying when she said she was just trying to pay her way through college?
Not only that, the ones who said they were paying their way through college even though they clearly hadn't been to a class in a decade weren't lying, either.
That or the military…saaaay…you don't think there's a connection, do you?
It's great when parents give them a pole-ready name too, like Tawny or Jasmine.
Yeah, maybe. But payin' for that sex change operation is a bummer…
First Social Security, now student loan forgiveness. What's the next Ponzi scheme going to be, according to the Reeps? The fitful, hopeful signs of an economic recovery, despite all Republican efforts against that accomplishment?
Jobs creation is a Ponzi scheme. You have to keep bringing in new ones to keep it going.
Anything with Democratic support is a Ponzi scheme.
It's the for-profit diploma mills that the GOP loves. I know several people suckered into the Le Cordon Bleu franchise in Austin who owe about $42,000 in tuition but could only get $8 an hour jobs.
We have one of those in Dallas too.
In the mid '90's I almost attended Scottsdale Culinary Institute (now AZ Culinary Institute) the very first year of their Le Cordon Bleu program. I was all set to get my chef's coat but decided against it at the very last moment. I'm glad I did.
Move to South Carolina they are hiring. Ah, well, volunteering actually.
I take issue with Santorum distancing himself from the ELitists, indeed I recognized him as The Elite'l'est Angel last Saturday when he used the word "penumbra."
Isn't that a brand? Penum Bra?
Not only do non-elitists not know what "penumbra" means, they don't know what "Santorum" means.
except Santo, who opposes college
Former Cubbie zombie Ron Santo is dialing Guido's Gunz in Chicago at this very moment. Liz, did Ken show you where the Kevlar™ vests are kept?
@ realDonaldTrump : New Hampshire has a major decision to make today. Hopefully we won't have to hear any more Mandarin spoken in future debates.
Imagine all the student loan debt aborted fetuses are avoiding.
to be fair, financial aid does nothing to reduce the uncertainty plaguing america's job creators.
Oh we did!
http://wonkette.com/459821/romney-admits-that-he-...
mmmmmmy bad. I'll ketchup.
Hey Fecalfroth. College also makes you gay gay gay gay GAY!
Well, I musta caught it off a terlet seat, then, 'cos I knew WAY before college.
We need to stop referring to it as "student loan debt", and instead call it "leveraged education". Then the GOP would be all for it.
O/T, but WHAT THE FUCK?
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/10/1009...
At least he didn't contend that she cause the shooting by wearing something provocative.
It takes a special kind of piece-of-shit to abandon all human compassion in favor of politics.
That's not the guy's problem. He sounds like a not-very-nice person to begin with, but I think he's also losing his grip. He's angry, bitter, and full of hate, and blames Gifford's husband for the loss of his wife of 54 years. More sad than disgusting, I think.
"He also said Giffords' husband should have had better security in place to protect his wife, knowing she was a target of death threats."
"And why wasn't she at home, in the kitchen, barefoot to begin with?"
The real question is why this guy wasn't packing to take down the shooter himself.
At any rate, it's Arizona. What were you expecting?
God what an asshole.
That is horrible sad.
Wingnut shithead is wingnutty.
(Yet somehow, it still surprises and hurts…)
The guy went there to complain and got shot. He's old, bitter, sounds senile, plus he's lost his wife of 50+ years. His life can't be too good, either. Plus, if you look at the comments, he's getting his rear end kicked nine ways to Sunday. He's definitely not entirely compos mentis, since he thinks Giffords' husband, Mark Kelly, should have provided security for the event. (huh?)
Well, this guy clearly has been a dick for a long time and as a self-described "ultraconservative" who lives in Arizona and campaigned for Gifford's' opponent no doubt is a highly-propagandized Fox junkie and can't be expected to behave like a normal civilized person.
That said, this kind of loss will tear your soul, change your entire being. It's important to realize that, not only have you lost your love, companion and best friend but your entire life together has just been lost to an irretrievable past.
I think everyone reacts differently and unpredictably. Some are crushed, fall into sadness and despair, curl into themselves and give up the world. Some find a strength they never knew they had and rededicate themselves to life, community and happiness.
Some lose themselves to hatred and rage.
I feel sorrow for this man. his anger will kill him and make everyone and everything around him bleak.
He does have a choice, however. He doesn't have to be such an asshole, so I don't feel too sorry for him.
I often wonder if we don't sometimes become trapped within a struggle between our own innate traits and our circumstances. I mean, who would be a lying scumbag, if they were offered that choice? Probably, nobody. But if you take a person like this, an embittered narrow-minded person who settled for the easy answer of having someone else resolve his moral dilemmas and his emotional needs, then what happens when something in their world changes? What happens if, say, they become disabled? Not completely crushed and reduced to a wheelchair, but perhaps PTSD or an organic injury that exacerbates their paranoia. An embittered, narrow-minded paranoiac would, it seems, be locked into that response, unable to change either themselves or their circumstances, don't you think?
Well, yes – I think that you are correct in that. Given his circumstances and sociology it's likely he's been put on the rails to the place he's in even since the shooting. It's also too easy to remotely diagnose and judge people these days. I think compassion is the only proper response, really. And now I'll just be quiet.
No, don't be! I wasn't criticizing you. I've just been reading a lot of George Eliot lately, and she had a tendency to wrestle with gigantic moral issues of her day and … I have no idea where I was going with that.
"It was unclear why he thought Kelly should have been involved in security for an official event held for a member of Congress."
No, I think it's pretty fucking clear.
I'd like to ask ALL of the GOP candidates if THEIR children struggled to pay for college and how many still live at home because they don't have trust funds…
Oh, Wonkettes, please liveblog the NH primary results….
I am in Florida right now and the Mittens ads are just flooding the teevees. BELIEVE IN AMERICA, bitches, or get fired!
I thought it was "or suck my dick." Isn't that what Chris Christie said?
As your Friendly Fellow Wonketeer, I advise you to watch this Election Night Special!
It will help. Trust me.
Indeed, we need a Very Silly Party or even a Monster Raving Loony Party (excluding the GOP).
http://www.omrlp.com/
I love this and I'm going to go and change my registration tomorrow.
If I'm not too drunk/ill/paralyzed.
I don't know, Vermin. I mean I love your platform, but the GOP are such RavingLooneyMonsters, I'd be worried they'd sliter in somehow.
Well! That was simply … insane. Thank you.
On what channel? I'm iin Miami and I haven't seen any.
I'm in Central Florida. They seem to be running 2-3 ads an hour during primetime. There is, however, no variety. How many times can Mittbot remind us that he Saved The (massively taxpayer-funded, btw, complete with socialist Light Rail) Olympics before it gets a old?
50K a year at a private New Hampshire college would buy a LOT of beer.
Which is more important, with regard to getting laid?
Dartmouth was the model for Faber College after all.
Republicans Probably Not an Asset to
Debt-Ridden New Hampshire Gradsanyone./fixed.
This version definitely more accurate.
Well here in our fair state, we fund thousands of scholarships to come to our universities without even raising taxes? Wanna know what our secret is?
You see, we're a very poor state and part of the reason we're poor is lack of college education. So, we decided to address the situation by increasing access to higher education through scholarships. That are funded by a lottery. That bleed the poorest among us dry. Which means even with a scholarship, they can't afford college. Which means we remain under-educated. Which makes us poor.
Magical, isn't it?
Wait. What?
Yes.
Actually, Florida has a scheme like that, too- "Bright Futures". I know a lot of people who went to college on Bright Futures scholarship, and then got the hell out of dodge.
OT, but I just saw Newt on CNN, talking about how he has no issue with companies that create actual products and value, but he does have a problem with corporate looters like Mitt's Bain. Next thing you'll know, he'll be joining OWS…
It's already being Tweeted (no doubt in jest) that he's looking for the OWS endorsement.
"Republicans Probably Not an Asset to Debt-Ridden New Hampshire Grads." …PROBABLY?
Needs moar Camila Vallejos.
Live Free and Die is now Pay Your Student Loans, then Die.
This shit these guys will say, and say while arguing for corporate tax cuts, because, well, that's different, right? This kind of incoherent bullshit absolutely demands that you suspend your disbelief at their audacity and hypocrisy.
Y'all gotta go to Herman Cain if you're looking for a job. Well, you want a job, don't you?
Not a big deal if it gets too expensive – there's always "home-college".
Yikes! I shall remain dour and brown if I ever pass through that land.
Thank you. I do have an overactive imagination, and it does tend to gravitate to upbeat little topics, like torture, murder, psychological abnormalities, and the like.
You do raise good, insightful points and I am going to look up George Eliot. Thanks.
Thing is, this topic has gotten too close to the bone for me & no one here really needs to go down that alleyway, I think.
Nighty night!
Ah! OK. As long as you're not going away hurt, miffed, or misunderstood, everything's good. Pleasant dreams, C_R_Eature.
No worries! thanks
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