HEY THIS SOUNDS FAMILIAR  6:36 pm December 16, 2011

Nobody Likes GOP Or Obama, So Third Party Hero Will Waste Nation’s Time

by Ken Layne

Everything must go, including everyone running for President right now!Republican candidates are all so awful that there’s a new frontrunner every week. Barack Obama, meanwhile, seems dedicated to little more than enraging his own supporters while also doing nothing about the economy while also turning America into a police-terror state. People are protesting! Times are terrible! Seems like we should probably just toss the whole rotten system in the toxic waste dump and try again, maybe this time without … corporate-welfare/warfare capitalism? No no no, that is “too radical,” what we need is another ultimately unsuccessful Third Party Candidate to safely release the steam of rage from the national pressure cooker. It worked in the 1980s and the 1990s and all the way to 2000, heh heh. (Funny how Liberal Democrats kind of lost the taste for Third Party candidates after the GOP stomped back into the White House using Nader’s cover, right?)

So many Third Party candidates! People like Chris Matthews love this stuff, because it adds melodrama to the puppet show. Actual humans, however, should be enraged by these sideshows. George Wallace, John Anderson, Ross Perot, Ralph Nader, what did any of these people do but prey upon the economic injustice and spiritual vacancy of American Life in the Late 20th Century? What did they do beyond wasting the time and money and energy of the only people in America mad enough to do something about it? Oh right, that’s the whole point of the Third Party Candidate: Just grind people’s anger and emotion back down to a harmless dust.

Anyway, here we go again, etc. The Christian Science Monitor reports:

“There is going to be a third-party candidate,” [Democratic pollster Stanley] Greenberg said Friday …. Greenberg offered several reasons for thinking a credible third-party presidential candidate will emerge. A key reason is voters’ sour mood. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released earlier this week found that just 22 percent of the public thinks the nation is heading in the right direction. When Ross Perot ran as an independent presidential candidate in 1992, “those were happy times compared to now in terms of the mood of the country,” Greenberg said.

Undecided voters also are likely to favor a third-party candidate, Greenberg argued. Undecideds “are more Democratic than Republican,” he said. “They hate both parties equally. They are marginally unfavorable to Obama but they hate Romney…. I don’t know if they will be brought back to Obama. I think more likely they will vote for some third-party, anti-politics candidate that will be out there.” He noted that Bill McInturff, who runs the NPR poll with Greenberg, thinks the third-party vote could go as high as 20-25 percent.

So who will it be? Probably not a multimillionaire celebrity asshole businessman, this time around. Probably not that. The national mood isn’t in the mood to be screwed that way right now. Ron Paul, maybe, although he’s got as good a shot at the GOP nomination as anyone right now. Better, actually. Ron Paul may well be the 2012 Republican candidate, despite the weight of the entire corporate media pushing against any such outcome. And last time around, he specifically didn’t run as an independent because he is a Republican, at heart. And running against McCain would’ve only made the GOP’s loss in 2008 more inevitable, more pathetic, more embarrassing to the Koch Brothers.

It’s a wonderful moment right now in America, because the vast majority of people completely loathe big business, Obama, the whole GOP field, Congress, military people, everybody in “public life.” They are all despised. So we need an exciting, out-of-nowhere third party hero to distract everyone, stop the protests, etc., and ultimately get maybe 20% of the vote. Then the movement can die, just like it did after every other big-time Third Party Candidate lost to one of the two parties, the end. [Christian Science Monitor]

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DrunkIrishman December 16, 2011 at 6:38 pm

I like Obama.

finallyhappy December 16, 2011 at 6:57 pm

I like him more than that.

DrunkIrishman December 16, 2011 at 7:12 pm

BACK OFF! HE'S MINE!

user-of-owls December 16, 2011 at 7:12 pm

If you like him so much, why don't you just marry him!

finallyhappy December 16, 2011 at 8:51 pm

I have seen Michelle's arms- also Bo's teeth!

Negropolis December 16, 2011 at 10:00 pm

If he'd fight for marriage equality, he might some day be able to. lol

Dogless_Heathen December 16, 2011 at 7:53 pm

What's going on!!? How did all these commies get all Wonky anyway?

Lascauxcaveman December 16, 2011 at 7:59 pm

I'd like to have a beer with him, but I don't like picking fights with cops.

anniegetyerfun December 16, 2011 at 10:12 pm

Just walk around Seattle for an hour with a black or Asian person. A cop will eventually punch one of you.

snackypants December 17, 2011 at 2:49 am

Or shoot you dead if you're a Native American.

gurukalehuru December 17, 2011 at 2:58 am

You're drunk.

MissNancyPriss December 17, 2011 at 1:55 pm

Ditto.

Barb December 16, 2011 at 6:38 pm

Does anyone believe Trump's threat to run as a third party candidate or do you think it is a publicity stunt?

Spurning Beer December 16, 2011 at 6:44 pm

It's the greatest publicity stunt since the founding of the Republic, bar none. His candidacy will draw more publicity than all the other candidates combined, no question. And I'll tell you one more thing: he will win, and will be the greatest Chief Executive in the history of the freaking world.

yyyaz December 16, 2011 at 6:50 pm

I'll have what you're having.

Spurning Beer December 16, 2011 at 7:35 pm

Bartender — a Courvoissier and soda for the gentleman. And comp his tab.

Biel_ze_Bubba December 16, 2011 at 7:02 pm

And wait 'till you see what he does with the White (soon to be Gold) House! It's gonna have the finest marble, and mahogany, and gold-plated everything. It'll be just as classy as any Trump casino – maybe more so!

Ken Layne December 16, 2011 at 8:04 pm

The White House will be vastly "classed up" with those brass stripes Trump puts on all his awful NYC buildings.

Negropolis December 16, 2011 at 10:01 pm

Also, with all those gold-plated stripper poles…errr…columns in his tacky condo.

SayItWithWookies December 16, 2011 at 11:23 pm

It needs a soaring atrium with an Italian marble wall fountain if it really is going to project the power of the presidency.

Spurning Beer December 17, 2011 at 12:01 am

In a Trump administration, state dinners — full buffet. All you can eat. Prime rib, crab legs, tiramisu, soup to nuts. Cloth napkins. Strictly top shelf.

flamingpdog December 16, 2011 at 10:46 pm

How long before he has to sell it to pay off the creditors?

ShitFilledExistence December 17, 2011 at 1:53 am

Selling heavy gold electroplated garbage back to the Chinese? That'll actually work.

Kidneys4Sale December 17, 2011 at 8:29 am

Wait…is the going theory that the Donald would actually move his ass to Washington for this gig?

user-of-owls December 16, 2011 at 7:15 pm

Can't quibble with that. Then again, the Freaking World is not widely renowned for the caliber of its Chief Executives.

George Clinton notwithstanding, of course.

Spurning Beer December 16, 2011 at 7:50 pm

George Clinton is perhaps the greatest chief executive to have served in a Parliamentary-Funkadelic government. That said, he's a dreadlocked stoner with the fashion sense of a bag lady. I say that because he is one of my closest friends, a prince among men, and a true genius.

RavenRant December 16, 2011 at 7:56 pm

Tell him hi from a fan. Or not, if it's awkward.

He is a genius.

Lascauxcaveman December 16, 2011 at 8:02 pm

he's a dreadlocked stoner with the fashion sense of a bag lady.

Between him and Commander Bootsie, you have a good cross section representing both the Halloween section and dumpster contents of your average Goodwill store.

user-of-owls December 16, 2011 at 10:34 pm

Too soon!!

tessiee December 16, 2011 at 10:36 pm

Also, judging by your avatar, you and he go to the same hair stylist.

ShaveTheWhales December 17, 2011 at 1:20 am

I might vote for a third party candidate, if it were George Clinton.

not that Dewey December 17, 2011 at 9:15 am

I pledge groovallegiance to the funk, one nation under a groove.

Loaded_Pants December 16, 2011 at 8:58 pm

He'll be HUGE!

JustPixelz December 16, 2011 at 8:04 pm

"…Trump's threat to run …"

Does Homeland Security know about this? Should we raise the threat level to Fucking Orange?

caitifty December 16, 2011 at 11:09 pm

They're reserving that for Boehner's run for El Presidente. Trump will get chickenshit yellow at best.

mayor_quimby December 17, 2011 at 2:57 am

Yes, he is.
Oh, you said stunt.

James Michael Curley December 17, 2011 at 6:03 am

If the Donald farts in public its a publicity stunt. Not a very good one, but like everything else about his life; a publicity stunt.

tessiee December 17, 2011 at 7:52 pm

Is there anything that Trump has ever done that is *not* a publicity stunt?

lulzmonger December 17, 2011 at 10:14 pm

Yes.

KathrynSane December 16, 2011 at 6:41 pm

Whatever. After NDAA and Plan B (and everything else), I'm voting for the goddamn socialists or something. I wouldn't be able to vote for Hopey again and not hate myself.

finallyhappy December 16, 2011 at 6:58 pm

well, when a GOp person wins and we bomb Iran- you feel good about yourself then

KathrynSane December 16, 2011 at 7:01 pm

I live in Massachusetts. It's not exactly a swing state.

RavenRant December 16, 2011 at 7:16 pm

At least you'll kick Scott Brown out, won't you?

KathrynSane December 16, 2011 at 7:35 pm

Oh most definitely. Elizabeth Warren ftw.

Lionel[redacted]Esq December 16, 2011 at 7:20 pm

And Massachusetts has long been in favor of bombing Iran.

Lascauxcaveman December 16, 2011 at 8:04 pm

OK, you and anybody else in a dark blue state get to vote for whoever the fuckall you want for pres, as long it's (D) the rest of the way down the ticket.

Coattails-schmoattails.

Nothingisamiss December 16, 2011 at 10:29 pm

And if you fucking LIVE IN FLORIDA you are not allowed third party choices.

Negropolis December 16, 2011 at 10:02 pm

I've done that before here in Michigan. You know, voting Democratic down ticket where it matters more, but voting third party up top when I knew it wouldn't make a difference, and when the top ticket Dem did something fucking stupid or lazy. I'll tell you what, when the Dems and the political establishment fucked up our 2008 primary, they all got a protest vote, from me, except for local and congressional races.

GhostBuggy December 17, 2011 at 1:24 am

Ha, in my part of the Monstrous Mitten, it's GOP all the way. Hilariously, I can also do the third party vote up top, because it also will not matter.

Well, off the to the bath with a toaster.

aklibtard December 17, 2011 at 12:52 am

I sort of feel the same way living in Alaska. I'll pencil in Dennis Kucinich because he proves old short guys can have young hot wives.

Negropolis December 17, 2011 at 12:54 am

And, really, at the end of the day, isn't that all that matters?

BTW, speaking of Alaska, how's old Mike Gravel doing?

OneDollarJuana December 16, 2011 at 7:45 pm

Why do you think that Obama won't bomb Iran? Johnson dumped a lot of tonnage on Viet Nam, and he was a Democrat, wasn't he (even though a Texan)?

hellbabe December 16, 2011 at 7:49 pm

righto! both wings of the one party we have are beating the war drum.

Ken Layne December 16, 2011 at 8:06 pm

Haha, because Obama would *never* bomb a Muslim country, hahaha.

Biff December 16, 2011 at 8:20 pm

Self-loathing Muslim?

Negropolis December 16, 2011 at 10:05 pm

Well, he wouldn't bomb a nation because it's a Muslim one. That's a change. lol

Nothingisamiss December 16, 2011 at 10:30 pm

And really? That's a lot compared to the other retards.

iburl December 16, 2011 at 10:07 pm

Bush didn't sign away our 4th amendment rights. Obama did. Bush opened Guantanamo, but, Obama promised to close it the day after he was elected then decided to keep it open anyway, which is worse? Bush illegally wiretapped us. Obama made it legal and increased it. Which is worse? I voted for Obama, I gave him money, and it makes me sick to see how much he has continued and in some cases, made worse, every outrage Bush foisted upon us. But he does it while looking intelligent, and trying to seem like a cool guy, I guess that's the little sugar cookie that's supposed to smooth everything over.

Negropolis December 16, 2011 at 10:30 pm

WTF? Bush signed the Patriot Act which signed away our 4th amendment rights. This most recent bill coming to Obama's desk doesn't do anything new, it simply and essentially reaffirms the provisions in the Patriot Act which already stripped everyone of their civil liberties. Don't get it twisted.

PalinzADummy December 16, 2011 at 11:57 pm

Oo gah.

iburl December 17, 2011 at 9:42 pm

I agree that the Patriot Act was the worst possible thing that could have happened. In the panicked atmosphere cooked up after 9/11 Bush did that to us. But did Obama lead the charge to overturn it? No, he further codified it and intensified it. Bush did not openly assassinate American citizens. Obama does. If Obama, the person that the right has decided is left of Karl Marx, can't stand up for our rights, who will? All I'm saying is that Obama puts a smiley face on all the crimes of Bush and we are supposed to think that he's far better than a Republican. He's not. He's one of the 1%, firmly in their court.

pdiddycornchips December 16, 2011 at 11:11 pm

And don't forget the two hold-overs in the cabinet, the economic team of Geithner and Bernanke. Their policy of free money for bankers and austerity for everyone else has really been a huge success.

tessiee December 17, 2011 at 12:25 pm

"Their policy of free money for bankers and austerity for everyone else has really been a huge success."

You guys!

I'm walking into Costco from my parking space, and I see this crazy person's van with all these flag and cross stickers all over it, so it looks like a fifth-grade girl's notebook? And there's this huge sign, covering the entire back of the van, that says, "$100 cash reward for anybody who can come up with an example of any nation that prospered using the policies of the past three years".

So I'm trying to ignore it, because you can't argue with stupid, and anyway, if this guy even has $100., it's from *my* tax money, and I see that the van is absolutely FILLED with toys! I mean FILLED, so that you can't see out any of the windows! And no, the guy was not wearing a red suit and did not have a long white beard.

I could offer $100. to anyone who can come up with a legitimate reason why a man in his 60s would have that many toys in his van, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that this conclusively proves that all Repukelicans are child molesters.

LionHeartSoyDog December 17, 2011 at 1:14 pm

shhhh.
(the secret number has been revealed to be $7.77 Trillion to the banksters).

babyeinstein December 21, 2011 at 1:22 pm

Have you considered….THIS: http://occupyiacaucus.org/

BAM. You just got occupied.

Not_So_Much December 16, 2011 at 6:46 pm

Let's just make Bernie Sanders Emperor-for-Life. May be our only hope before the Kochs prop up someone that makes Sauron look like a total pussy.

chascates December 16, 2011 at 7:12 pm

If you haven't signed it Bernie has proposed a constitutional amendment that would overturn the Supreme Court decision in a case called Citizens United vs. FEC. :
http://sanders.senate.gov/petition/?uid=f1c2660f-

He's got my vote, too bad I live in Texas (for many, many reasons)

RavenRant December 16, 2011 at 8:33 pm

Signed.

orygoon December 16, 2011 at 8:35 pm

I've got many, many reasons to live in Texas–but I do not.

chascates December 16, 2011 at 9:20 pm

I meant to say "for many reasons it's too bad I live in Texas"!

Jukesgrrl December 16, 2011 at 8:44 pm

I sign all of Bernie's petitions. It's the least I can do for my pretend husband.

RavenRant December 17, 2011 at 12:51 pm

Uh-oh. We're pretend sister-wives now!

Jukesgrrl December 17, 2011 at 10:02 pm

I was here FIRST.Posting years ago that Bernie is my pretend husband and Sherrod Brown is the pretend boyfriend I cheat on him with.I share … but there are limits!!

UnholyMoses December 16, 2011 at 8:31 pm

Bernie and my dad are the ONLY two people on ALL of planet Earth who I would vote for if that was the deal.

And only because I know neither one of them would be in it for themselves, and are both too smart to screw it up.

Anyone else? Not so much. (Well, maybe the Dali Llama*, but I doubt he's Constitutionally qualified.)

(** See what I did there?)

Bonzos_Bed_Time December 17, 2011 at 1:43 am

Barney Frank has some free time coming up…

neiltheblaze December 17, 2011 at 9:24 am

And as we know, Liberal, Jewish fagula candidates are all the rage here in Jesusland.

Bonzos_Bed_Time December 17, 2011 at 11:32 pm

Yeah, there is that…

CapeClod December 16, 2011 at 6:52 pm

Because third party candidates have been so successful in the past.

Mumbletypeg December 16, 2011 at 7:04 pm

As with Charlie Brown's attempts with Lucy's football… a chronic outbreak of "perhaps this time!…"-itis cycles back around.

user-of-owls December 16, 2011 at 7:18 pm

Hey, don't tell that to my representative, Sen. Elihu X. Hornbuckle (Bull Moose-AR)!

doloras December 16, 2011 at 8:05 pm

Where is Teddy Roosevelt when we need him?

Ken Layne December 16, 2011 at 8:06 pm

He did bust up the trusts! (Nobody told him "trusts are people, my friends.")

Negropolis December 16, 2011 at 10:06 pm

Except every fuckin' robber-baron, ever.

Loaded_Pants December 16, 2011 at 9:02 pm

Fuck it. I'm writing in "Rooster Cogburn" for next year.

sbj1964 December 16, 2011 at 6:53 pm

Republicans can't even find a decent candidate for their team,how are they going to find a 3rd party alternative? Right about now they would probably vote for COBRA Commander.If he was running against Newt/Romney,and the rest of the low hanging fruit.

MasterDebater December 16, 2011 at 7:42 pm

Ummm…actually I think COBRA Commander would lead the field of a Republican primary, should he deign to run.

Generation[redacted] December 16, 2011 at 7:49 pm

I dunno. What's COBRA Commander's position on melting the polar ice caps and bombing his enemies into the stone age?

Yeah, he'd lead the field.

OneDollarJuana December 16, 2011 at 8:54 pm

Problem with COBRA Commander is that he is more expensive and quits after 18 months.

flamingpdog December 16, 2011 at 10:53 pm

COBRA Commander is Lou Sarah??

MasterDebater December 16, 2011 at 7:50 pm

Also, you are a total WIN for taking the time to write out COBRA in all-caps.

aklibtard December 17, 2011 at 12:54 am

I can see the third-party being someone from the left, thereby ensuring that we get President Gingrich.

Kidneys4Sale December 17, 2011 at 8:32 am

I call Newt/Romney and the Low Hanging Fruits for my next band name.

Doktor Zoom December 17, 2011 at 1:04 pm

Did someone say COBRA!?

BigDumbRedDog December 16, 2011 at 6:56 pm

In all seriousness, I would love to see a five or six candidate, winner take all death match.

sarah_connor December 16, 2011 at 7:06 pm

You know who else won in a five or six candidate, winner take all death match?

(it's been awhile… did I get that right?)

Generation[redacted] December 16, 2011 at 7:50 pm

In times like these, America demands… Thunderdome.

RavenRant December 16, 2011 at 8:01 pm

I'm totally down for the death match among Repug candidates. And the last life form standing gets the privilege of having their ass handed to them by Barry.

He pisses me off, but I don't think we're gonna get anything better this election cycle.

Ken Layne December 16, 2011 at 8:07 pm

I keep hoping for a GOP debate like that. And now that Trump is out for the Newmax debate ….

OneDollarJuana December 16, 2011 at 8:56 pm
KenLayIsAlive December 16, 2011 at 9:38 pm

I would pay to see this.

tessiee December 17, 2011 at 12:34 pm

"winner take all death match."

Or, and I'm just sayin' here, we could think outside the box and have a regular ol' death match with no winners. If ever a herd needed thinning…

sarah_connor December 17, 2011 at 1:17 pm

You know who else won in a five or six candidate, winner-take-all death match?

yyyaz December 16, 2011 at 6:56 pm

Do we need to collect signatures, or should we just start a write-in campaign for Bernie for Emperor? I would get up an hour before I went to bed just to work on that campaign.

sati_demise December 16, 2011 at 6:58 pm

Going to be Rocky Anderson, former Governor of Utah, and his newly formed 'Justice Party'.
Thats the third party, which would be alright if Ron Paul ran as an Independent from the right wing.

How about we get 4 candidates this time, 2 from each side of the spectrum?

flamingpdog December 16, 2011 at 7:15 pm

Four candidates worked so well in 1860. But, hey, now that we're bringing the troops home from Iraq, maybe it's time we put them to work fighting the real enemy. Especially now that we can arrest and detain American citizens without trial (again).

sati_demise December 16, 2011 at 8:31 pm

real enemy? Multinational Corporations, amirite?

No srsly, still have a raging raw wound from the whole Gore & Bush = exactly the same. Hells no. they. were. not.

tessiee December 16, 2011 at 10:42 pm

"How about we get 4 candidates this time, 2 from each side of the spectrum?"

I'd be a happy girl to see even one candidate from our side of the spectrum, but I suspect I'll be a very old girl before that happens again, if it ever does.

weejee December 16, 2011 at 6:59 pm

Can we run zombie Molly Ivins?

RavenRant December 16, 2011 at 7:20 pm

If they can clone a woolly mammoth, why can't we clone Ivins?

weejee December 16, 2011 at 7:28 pm

Downside with cloning is we'd have to wait 35 years for her to meet the Constipation's age claws.

RavenRant December 16, 2011 at 7:35 pm

Not if we did a TV movie style cloning, where the clone always is magically the same age as the person cloned.

We just have to put the scientists together with the TV writers to work out the details.

tessiee December 16, 2011 at 10:43 pm

"Can we run zombie Molly Ivins?"

Sadly, no. She rampaged Texas for BRAAAAIIINNNSS, and ended up starving to death.

Biel_ze_Bubba December 16, 2011 at 6:59 pm

It's going to take a generation to get the foul taste of Nader out of the mouths of progressives, so any significant third-party candidate is going to come from the wingnuts — most likely, someone appealing to the anybody-but-Romney crowd. (If Gnute is the nominee, the GOPtards will probably fall into line, but he'll spontaneously combust under the harsh light of a national campaign.)

RadioYKWE December 16, 2011 at 7:08 pm

Dag it, I point this out every time Nader's name comes up. He didn't lose to Bush, GORE lost to Bush. Gore was so inept, he gave away a balanced budget and an unemployment rate half what is now because he couldn't parlay Clinton for fear of a blow-job — or whatever. He didn't even win his own fucking state. Gore was a weakling. Sure Bush was worse, but I don't blame Nader, he speaks many truths.

OneDollarJuana December 16, 2011 at 7:49 pm

I will never apologize for my Nader vote. And what you said.

Lascauxcaveman December 16, 2011 at 8:15 pm

I applaud anyone's twee protest vote for Nader, unless they lived in FL, in which case it was a solid vote for Bush.

(Or was there another state where the margin was a razor's edge?) At any rate, I read the polls, and do not mess with pie-in-the-sky bullshitshit if it's anywhere near close.

Nothingisamiss December 16, 2011 at 10:33 pm

What you said.

KenLayIsAlive December 16, 2011 at 9:42 pm

Exactly. The guy practically ran against Clinton instead of Bush. Joe Lieberman as veep? The way he so lamely conceded? Even with Gore: 9/11 –> Iraq War –> Economic Crash. Hard to see it any other way.

Maybe we would have signed Kyoto or whatever. Maybe. and could have had a modern preside3nt with A beard. That'd been cool too.

RadioYKWE December 16, 2011 at 10:18 pm

Here's a tangent on that thought from a friend who is a totally anti-Gore and dedicated to trying to get our tangled political process to act on global warming.

ShaveTheWhales December 17, 2011 at 2:50 am

I don't disagree with much of what this guy says, particularly about the pointlessness of "binding treaties" with no enforcement mechanism. But I think he's just contributing to the waste of breath on the topic

"In fact, the world is making significant — although insufficiently rapid — progress in slowing emissions. Pledges by the United States and by China, India and other developing countries made in Copenhagen are profoundly ambitious. At their highest range, these reductions will total as much as 75 percent of cuts needed to limit warming to 2 degrees Celsius by 2020, the amount scientists believe is needed to prevent runaway climate impact."

Shorter: the most unrealistically optimistic version of the "pledges" will FAIL to limit warming to 2C by 2020.

So, there are two possibilities: (1) the generally-accepted climate models are correct (or optimistic), in which case we will pass the tipping point in 2020 (or have already done so) and our children will get to deal with widespread effects of global warming; or (2) the models are too pessimistic, and everything will be just peachy.

I don't see arguing about "binding" versus "non-binding" as being useful at this point.

ShaveTheWhales December 17, 2011 at 1:42 am

Mmm, I think your train of causality leaps the rails at 9/11 –>Iraq War. Afghan War, sure, but Gore didn't have any personal issues to drive a conflict with Iraq. It may be hard to remember at this point, but Iraq had exactly NOTHING to do with 9/11. It took a year of diligent and extremely extensive lying to get Iraq fixed in Murkins' minds as the bad guy. I don't see why Gore would have done that. You may forget the huge amount of international goodwill we had for a while after 9/11. It's impossible to say what a Gore administration might have done with that. And by that, I mean it could have been better, it could have been worse, but I am pretty sure it would have been different.

Economic crash — maybe, even probably. I'm sure the temptation to keep interest rates low to prop up the economy would have been there, and I'm sadly certain that little in the way of better financial regulation would have taken place. Still, even reacting a year or two earlier might have had some positive impact.

BTW, I agree, and have said a number of times, that Gore ran an unbelievably shitty campaign. But, as I have also said before, it is also true that if Nader had encouraged his voters in swing states (i.e., Florida) to vote for their major-party preference, Gore would have won. So, in one valid way of looking at it, Gore lost because he ran a shitty campaign. In another valid way of looking at it, Gore lost because of Nader's belief that there was no difference between Gore and Bush.

Negropolis December 17, 2011 at 2:06 am

I'm glad you corrected the part about Iraq. I think people forget how truly divided the public was on the war, even after the intense shock-and-awe campaign the Bush administration did on the public and the Congress to get us into it. Even up until the month of the war public opinion on the war was pretty evenly split.

We'd have never been in Iraq with Gore. That was easily one of the most personal wars of spite in American history.

tessiee December 17, 2011 at 12:39 pm

"It's impossible to say what a Gore administration might have done with that. And by that, I mean it could have been better, it could have been worse, but I am pretty sure it would have been different."

I'm having a hard time imagining how Gore, or indeed anybody, could have been worse than Bush and his unique combination of stupidity/malice/entitlement/vote tampering, but maybe that's just me.

KenLayIsAlive December 17, 2011 at 5:33 pm

All great points, esp. Bush's daddy issues with Saddam. But the more I think about what we came to know of Lieberman – he truly turned out to be one of the most right wing politicians (re: foreign and domestic security policy) in any party – it really makes you wonder what we would have gotten from that administration.

But you are right. It is hard to imagine the Dems wanting to go so hard core about the lies to start the Iraq invasion.

tessiee December 16, 2011 at 10:45 pm

I agree that Gore ran a thoroughly half-assed campaign (if that's logically possible), and made a huge mistake trying to distance himself from Clinton, but that having been said, Nader didn't take away any votes from Bush.

DalePues December 16, 2011 at 8:21 pm

True. But it will take longer than that to get the foul taste of Obama out of the mouths of progressives. Coincidence that there is a Nader post over to the right with two videos of Nader speaking in 2008. He was right, of course, when he says that Obama does not have a challenging character, he has a concedng character (paraphrased).

Mumbletypeg December 16, 2011 at 6:59 pm

This is still not, somehow, as bad news as when I learned from my sibling and then from my best friend that they had voted for Dubya (the 1st time around) and for McCain/Palin respectively. It's one of those times you veer from rejoicing you found an acquaintance who actually took time to vote, to wishing more folks understood that voting is beyond just a tangible gesture; that there are consequences to be measured.

So I can see what goads some well-meaning peeps to consider some alternatives/ additional options, and I realize Ken you're not sounding the gong exclusively for the contingent who lean thusly but the predatorial banner-wavers ready to manipulate our malaise. Guess it's especially important to remind one another during these conversations: ".. yes.. but viable options – - is this a viable option?"

HempDogbane December 16, 2011 at 7:00 pm

This is good news for Harold Stassen.

nounverb911 December 16, 2011 at 7:20 pm

He's still dead isn't he?

HempDogbane December 16, 2011 at 7:37 pm

yes, one of the many advantages he has against Newt.

flamingpdog December 16, 2011 at 11:04 pm

Stassen/Generalissimo Francisco Franco/2012

user-of-owls December 16, 2011 at 7:01 pm

Hard to have a sequel to Egypt when all we've got in this country is Fat-Rear Square.

OneDollarJuana December 16, 2011 at 7:50 pm

Unfortunately for the Egyptians, their sequel is turning out like most. Not as enjoyable.

Negropolis December 16, 2011 at 10:12 pm

Democracy is hard, y'all. I love how the Egyptian secular opposition is screaming bloody murder over the results. I sympathize with them, but they surely didn't think that they were the majority, did they? You've got millions of people still in rural poverty, there, people who are still literally riding to town on camels, people who don't even know what "a Facebook" is, and you expect to get a secular government out of that?

Democracy is a slog and one they are better off for taking, but I can't understand the shock.

Goonemeritus December 16, 2011 at 7:05 pm

Vaclav Havel he's rested he's ready.

KenLayIsAlive December 16, 2011 at 9:43 pm

Vaclav Havel / Lou Reed 2012!

James Michael Curley December 17, 2011 at 6:11 am

Vaclav Havel / Milan Hlavsa (Plastic People of the Universe)

horsedreamer_1 December 17, 2011 at 5:10 pm

Where's the birth certificate?

user-of-owls December 18, 2011 at 1:29 pm

I think they're asking for the certificate at the other end of the life span now.

sezme December 18, 2011 at 8:46 am

So much for that.

Goonemeritus December 18, 2011 at 10:19 am

Dammit!!

user-of-owls December 18, 2011 at 1:33 pm

No shit! I read this in the paper this morning and think, "Are you kidding me? Did Goonie have inside info?"

Interpreting the relevance of global political events by whether they've been referenced in Wonkett?

Powerful evidence that the only appropriate treatment plan is mental health hospice.

DaRooster December 16, 2011 at 7:06 pm

"Seems like we should probably just toss the whole rotten system in the toxic waste dump…"

"… like the remains of soldiers?"

user-of-owls December 16, 2011 at 7:09 pm

Undecided voters also are likely to favor a third-party candidate, Greenberg argued.

I sure hope someone's paying Mr. Greenberg a whole lot of money, because humankind has not seen political acumen of this order since Plato's Republic.

chascates December 16, 2011 at 7:09 pm

The American Cannabis Party?

MzNicky December 16, 2011 at 8:06 pm

Cheech/Chong 2012!

nedbeaumontjr December 17, 2011 at 11:29 am

We haven't quite descended to eating each other yet.

What?

flamingpdog December 18, 2011 at 9:42 pm

Yes we cannabis!

Bluestatelibel December 16, 2011 at 7:12 pm

Oh God, let it be Bloomberg. I would just love to see him bragging about how big his army of NYPD slobs is. And CNN and the worst political analysts in the world can debate about whether it's fair to let him stand on a stool in the debates.

tessiee December 16, 2011 at 10:50 pm

That would depend on whose stool, and what they ate for lunch.

Biff December 17, 2011 at 8:47 am

First, they have to make a caganer of him so he can stand on his own stool.

edgydrifter December 16, 2011 at 7:13 pm

There's a very good reason just about every other democracy in the world uses a proportional multi-party system: They've heard about our two-party system.

KenLayIsAlive December 16, 2011 at 9:45 pm

The two party system: it's twice as good as the one party system!

Negropolis December 16, 2011 at 10:17 pm

To be fair, I wish we could say that that form is always superior. I think the form should match the people, or rather I should say that the form matches the people most of the time. I can't even begin to imagine what it'd be like to have a new government every year, every six months…in a nation as large as ours. Ours, for all of its faults, gives a level of stability for a huge nation, though, I'd definitely shorten Senate terms.

And, to be honest, most multi-party systems are only multi-party in name only. Most are two-party nations that allows some fringe their own voice instead of only haveing voice within two parties.

BarackMyWorld December 16, 2011 at 7:14 pm

Will this alleged 3rd party candidate go with the campaign theme "The two parties are just alike" or "The two parties are too ideological"?

Good luck reaching enough of a consensus on that to actually get enough votes to be taken seriously.

Barrelhse December 16, 2011 at 11:25 pm

"Breath mint or candy mint?"
"Which twin has the Toni?"
These are the tough choices America is used to grappling with.

OneDollarJuana December 17, 2011 at 11:46 am

"Does she or doesn't she?" The minds of the proletariat are occupied with that fundamental question.

sbj1964 December 16, 2011 at 7:15 pm

OBAMA 2012 ! Thank You GOP ! Conservative Repthuglicans are a bunch of racist.

donner_froh December 16, 2011 at 7:20 pm

The 2012 election will just be a sideshow to the collapse of the Bretton Woods system and the beginning of centuries of darkness and decay.

nounverb911 December 16, 2011 at 7:21 pm

Perot/Nader 2012?

OneDollarJuana December 16, 2011 at 8:05 pm

You jest, but tell me, just how were they wrong in anything they said?

Nothingisamiss December 16, 2011 at 10:36 pm

Those two egos could not share a sandwich, let alone a presidential ticket.

tessiee December 16, 2011 at 10:52 pm

You like them better than Kang and Kodos?

Bonzos_Bed_Time December 17, 2011 at 1:51 am

Don't blame me, I voted for Kang.

JackObin December 16, 2011 at 7:21 pm

How about the apostle Tebow, with his lord and savior jesus christ as his running mate?

weejee December 16, 2011 at 9:57 pm

Tejus/Jesus not Tejus/Lindsey Vonn?

RavenRant December 16, 2011 at 7:24 pm

George Clooney/Viggo Mortensen 2012!

They'll get my vote. And I think both of them are smarter than 99% of the people in DC.

MzNicky December 16, 2011 at 7:59 pm

Oh hell yes. Or: Stephen Colbert/Bernie Saunders 2012!

Stephen Colbert is the smartest, most politically savvy man in Amurka today.

RavenRant December 16, 2011 at 8:08 pm

I love both of those guys. Bernie doesn't have Colbert's comic timing, but aside from that he is the best.

And Stephen does have that SuperPAC…

tessiee December 16, 2011 at 10:53 pm

"George Clooney/Viggo Mortensen 2012!"

Sorry, but if I have anything to say about it, neither George nor Viggo will have the free time or the energy to so much as stand up before 2014.

Although I would consider substituting Alan Rickman for one of the two.

EatsBabyDingos December 16, 2011 at 7:24 pm

GUMBY/POKEY 2012

user-of-owls December 16, 2011 at 7:57 pm

FLOTSAM/JETSAM 2012

OneDollarJuana December 16, 2011 at 8:06 pm

IPSO/FACTO 2012

user-of-owls December 16, 2011 at 9:16 pm

PORGY/BESS 2012

Fukui_sanYesOta December 16, 2011 at 10:13 pm

FORTIORI / PRIORI 2012

billy_reuben December 16, 2011 at 10:34 pm

Dunning/Kruger 2012

user-of-owls December 16, 2011 at 10:58 pm

HIGGS/BOSON 2012

RavenRant December 16, 2011 at 10:58 pm

FTW!

flamingpdog December 16, 2011 at 11:12 pm

Whoever wins, it's gonna be Citibank/Exxon/2012.

ShitFilledExistence December 17, 2011 at 12:45 am

the goddamn truth right there..

Bonzos_Bed_Time December 17, 2011 at 1:55 am

KIRK/SPOCK 2012

paris biltong December 17, 2011 at 5:03 am

NONE/THE ABOVE 2012

Callyson December 16, 2011 at 7:31 pm

Greenberg was dismissive of the Republican Party’s prospects, noting it had failed to pick up a significant number of voters despite a landslide 2010 victory in congressional races and a bleak economic picture. “The Republican Party is in trouble,” he said. “There are no more people calling themselves Republican through this whole process even though they had a landslide election in 2010…. It has become a cult. Independents are now equal to it,” in relative political strength.
OK, then, can *someone* please figure out how to deprogram them, before they destroy us all?

MzNicky December 16, 2011 at 8:04 pm

A strong, attractive Third Party candidate will help render the Rethug party irrelevant. Then it can lumber off into the woods like the wounded, nearly-extinct animal that it is and die a natural death. Speed the day.

Barrelhse December 16, 2011 at 11:28 pm

If that should fail give 'em the JJ Kool-ade.
Fuckers.

James Michael Curley December 17, 2011 at 6:26 am

while(1) {
printf("No New Taxes/n");
}

tessiee December 17, 2011 at 8:02 pm

"can *someone* please figure out how to deprogram them, before they destroy us all?"

We *could* put (snicker, giggle, smirk) "surveyor's marks" on them.

EatsBabyDingos December 16, 2011 at 7:35 pm

If they would bring it up in covention, I'd like to see the moldy corpse of Ronald Reagan.

GeorgiaBurning December 16, 2011 at 8:27 pm

Reagan's corpse would get more votes than Romney on the first ballot.

pdiddycornchips December 16, 2011 at 10:56 pm

I'd agree but I'm not sure he's moldy. Nancy probably had him preserved in lacquer.

tessiee December 17, 2011 at 12:44 pm

"I'd like to see the moldy corpse of Ronald Reagan."

So would they, Dingo. So would they.

user-of-owls December 17, 2011 at 7:24 pm

They already did that.

In 1984.

arihaya December 16, 2011 at 7:35 pm

an argument against running a third candidate, by Sen Bernie Sanders (I-VT), likely the only real progressive in the Senate.

"Sanders is adamant he will not run, even though he is harshly critical of Barack Obama. Sanders does not want to become a 2012 version of Ralph Nader"

But, he explains, he is not interested in the White House. "I would likely end up causing a right-wing extremist to be president of the United States. That is not something I would be happy to do," he said.

Then he added for emphasis: "It would likely be a futile and losing campaign. That would not be too smart."

Sanders is many unusual things: loud, outspoken and a successful socialist in America. But one thing he is not is naïve.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/21/berni

mavenmaven December 16, 2011 at 7:43 pm

Palin/Trump 2012!

James Michael Curley December 17, 2011 at 6:28 am

I think Trump would want to be on top.

MzNicky December 16, 2011 at 7:44 pm

"What did they do beyond wasting the time and money and energy of the only people in America mad enough to do something about it?"

Well, as I recall, George Wallace also did a right good job of helpin' all the rednecks get their racism on.

Ken Layne December 16, 2011 at 8:11 pm

Not sure they needed *help* with that pursuit…

/grew up in the Deep South in the 1970s

Negropolis December 16, 2011 at 10:22 pm

But, boy, if you can channel it, what a potent force you have. The Southern Strategy brought together folks that would have never been merged, otherwise. They don't need help with their racism, but they certainly needed help in turning it into electoral gains. It's so succesful, in fact, that it's still paying dividens. I think there is ONE white Democrat left in the deep south in Congress.

Biff December 17, 2011 at 9:04 am

Wallace was a splitter, but he didn't divide the Republicans. He was a Southern Democrat before joining the AIP for his 1968 run for the White House. I wonder how many votes he peeled off from Humphrey, if he really made that much of a difference…

MzNicky December 17, 2011 at 11:39 am

The racism was already there for sure, but Wallace's candidacy made it seem legitimate and brought it out in the open. And just as things were starting to calm down somewhat.

/grew up in the South in the 1950s-60s. I'm old.

flamingpdog December 18, 2011 at 9:50 pm

Based on my own experience, you're even older than you would have been if you hadn't grown up in the South in the 1950s-60s.

MzNicky December 19, 2011 at 8:23 am

You're right. In real-life experience years I'm about 100 years old.

sbj1964 December 16, 2011 at 7:45 pm

Not looking well for the GOP. Vince The SLAP CHOP Guy,would get more votes in the General election than any of their Choices.

MasterDebater December 16, 2011 at 7:48 pm

Ken!

Fabulous article!

Seriously, I'm a big Obummer-tard and your thoughtful/angry writings sometimes make me have a sad. Conscience and all that. (Luckily the booze kicks in soon after!)

This time, I'm so with you, especially this sense that those who run on 3rd party platforms must certainly be possessed with some incredibly cynical/grandiose delusions that somehow THEY'RE HELPING the system by making things worse?

It's a nasty thing to point out, and very disheartening, and I know as an O-tard I'm supposed to be all sweetness and light and "towards the lighthouse" and "let's go team!", but seriously, people: On January 21, 2013, someone will take the oath of office as President of the United States. It will not be None Of the Above. It will be a human being. And, like it or not, that human being will either be Barack Obama or it will be one of the clowns currently running for the Republican nomination. (Sorry Cthulhu! COBRA Commander! Sauron!)

It's an easy up/down proposition. We do not have parliamentary democracy, or a list-voting system, or anything else that allows us to vote for our Cynthia McKinney's without giving the keys to the kingdom over to depraved sadistic criminals who laugh at people dying in the streets, of starvation. (We're a nation that likes Hard Choices, remember?)

It really is Obama or nothing. So, line up!

Ken Layne December 16, 2011 at 8:17 pm

There was a lot of Internet vote trading in 2000, because people who understood this fact — that the nominee of one of the two corporate-approved parties will take the oath of office in 2013 — were still crushed by having the "sane choice" be some tool like Al Gore. So if you lived in a "safe state" like California, you could do your protest vote in good conscience and then trade your Gore vote to somebody in a swing state, like Florida or Ohio.

Kind of cynical, but less so than the people running for president.

I am still hoping, as always, for a complete revolution including Dick Cheney being tortured on TeeVee and Obama being sent to Gitmo, to learn about change, but in the meantime there's always trading votes on Twitter or whatever ….

KenLayIsAlive December 16, 2011 at 9:50 pm

I like this system. And it only took seven years to make it legal, despite the best efforts of California!
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9755958-7.html

GhostBuggy December 17, 2011 at 1:36 am

Well, if the Republican candidate wins, you'll have a pretty good shot at getting half your dream. Silver lining!

sati_demise December 16, 2011 at 8:38 pm

With a choice between slim and none I usually take slim. Or the GOP starting WWIII.

Bonzos_Bed_Time December 17, 2011 at 1:59 am

SLIM/NONE – 2012

tessiee December 17, 2011 at 12:47 pm

"We do not have parliamentary democracy, or a list-voting system, or anything else that allows us to vote for our Cynthia McKinney's without giving the keys to the kingdom over to depraved sadistic criminals who laugh at people dying in the streets, of starvation."

This, exactly.
This, unfortunately.
This, always.

MzNicky December 16, 2011 at 7:49 pm

… "the third-party vote could go as high as 20-25 percent. "

So, as many as one-quarter of the voting public favor Anyone Else? Really?

weejee December 16, 2011 at 10:07 pm

Depends on who goes for the third rail. Paul has his diehard Paultards and might be able to draw in libertarian folks from both the Teaparty and #OWS. Not sure the Blimpster would reach 20%, but with the anger that is out there wouldn't be surprised if he would go over 10%, and he's still not completely eliminated from the GoP clown fest.

Trump has money, but zero traction and would be hard-pressed to out poll the olde perennial third partier Gus Hall from the CPUSA. Same for She1ey & Santorum if they tried to double-down for the evangelicals.

flamingpdog December 16, 2011 at 11:19 pm

Last poll I saw Dubya still had the support of 20-25 percent of voters. And remember, he was only elected Prezdint ONCE!

Barrelhse December 16, 2011 at 11:35 pm

The mouthbreathers will give the GOP another 25%, so the Dems. should get the remaining 50%, right?

user-of-owls December 16, 2011 at 7:55 pm

And another thing about this imbecile Greenberg (and his ilk): You know what the difference between a stoat and the "right track/wrong track" question is? A stoat only has one tail.

But by all means, Stanley, keep prattling on about your 'Sure Fire Lock!" Third Party, because clearly such a thing would bring together all the people who think the country's heading in the wrong direction, like OWS protesters, dominionists and the Aryan Brotherhood.

Barrelhse December 16, 2011 at 11:37 pm

You said stoat.

user-of-owls December 17, 2011 at 7:20 pm

I always say stoat. It's a strigiform thang.

Pres.Libunatic December 16, 2011 at 8:06 pm

Trump/Wood Grain Scalp Tattoo '12!

johnnyzhivago December 16, 2011 at 8:17 pm

The only thing in the US with a favorability rating higher than 50% is the iPhone, so I say, go with it – make the iPhone our President. Could it really be any worse than it is?

James Michael Curley December 17, 2011 at 6:36 am

Siri is a fastidiously irritating little bitch who will drive you nuts faster than Sally on your Garmin.

horsedreamer_1 December 17, 2011 at 5:15 pm

"Siri, deliver the State of the Union address".

johnnyzhivago December 16, 2011 at 8:19 pm

I still say there's time left to just go back to England and ask to be re-admitted as a colony.

Jukesgrrl December 16, 2011 at 8:55 pm

Ringo 2012!

Limeylizzie December 16, 2011 at 9:05 pm

Come on baby, let's go and bring the Wonkettes with you.

poncho_pilot December 17, 2011 at 4:04 am

are there a lot of used record stores there? because in the end that's all i really care about.

i will totally start a band called The Wonkettes. but it has to be _______ ________ and His/Her Fabulous Wonkettes or something trite like that.

KenLayIsAlive December 16, 2011 at 9:54 pm

I could really get my NHS on at this point. KenLayIsAlive just spent a few days in the hospital (Despite the Socialist Horror / Obamabot Paradise of Obamacare, I still don't have health insurance) and is not looking forward to seeing that bill show up. Seriously, it should just come with a few decent bankruptcy lawyer's business cards.

flamingpdog December 16, 2011 at 11:23 pm

I'm sure some nice Christian charity will pay your hospital bills.

Wonkette Bake Sale Time!

KenLayIsAlive December 16, 2011 at 11:55 pm

Like Tim Tebow? The US Government? I was going to write to the Koch Bros directly: "An appeal from the 30 year old man who refused to die over an ear infection."

I am hoping for "stripped down kia with no options" level of payment, spread over a few years.

DustBowlBlues December 17, 2011 at 1:22 am

Just as I was beginning to feel really depressed, that last line got me laughing again and now I feel guilty about laughing at your misfortune.

I hope your hospital bill works out better than you expect.

KenLayIsAlive December 17, 2011 at 1:39 am

Believe me, four days of puking couldn't have happened to a more deserving fellow. Anyway, I'm cured and I haven't paid them a cent yet so… suckers!

I'm sure, in the end, everything will work out just fine. I base that despite the 30+ years of evidence to the contrary. ; )

Negropolis December 16, 2011 at 10:24 pm

And be ruled by the likes of David Cameron or Tony fuckin' Blair? **snort**

KenLayIsAlive December 17, 2011 at 1:46 am

Totally. What'd we leave for anyway? The Stamp Act? WTF were we thinking?!

ClothCoat December 16, 2011 at 8:27 pm

We need a ticket for crackpot teabaggers haters birthers and Birchers. I'll donate $ to Michelle, just to watch.

Sassomatic December 16, 2011 at 8:37 pm

According to our most esteemed local newspaper, Dismissive Wanking Motion could make a good run for it.

tessiee December 16, 2011 at 10:59 pm

Especially if he could get Inanimate Carbon Rod as his VP.

UnholyMoses December 16, 2011 at 8:37 pm

Do I want to vote for President Hopey McChangey?

No.

Do I have to vote for President Hopey McChangey?

Yes. Yes I do.

I see it this way: If I had to choose between getting slapped in the face and receiving the occasional punch in the chest for four years, or having my balls pulled off by a set of rusty vice grips while someone else pours battery acid into the opening once a month, all while being anally raped by a mollusk-encrusted 5" lead pipe for four years, I'll choose the former.

Sure, one sucks, but the other is goddamn nightmare …

OneDollarJuana December 16, 2011 at 8:59 pm

Kinda like voting for toe fungus over bone cancer.

iburl December 16, 2011 at 9:29 pm

Or Rick Perry's sweatpants pocket over David Vitter's Depends.

weejee December 16, 2011 at 10:12 pm

But whinging by the base might help push a little Oanger, which has helped the evangelicals over at the GoP. And when if comes to base, from some perspectives Wonkette is a base as it gets!

pdiddycornchips December 16, 2011 at 10:44 pm

Sitting it out is the reasonable course of action. None of them give two shits what intelligent but not wealthy people think. They're after the morons. Sadly morons out number the IBNW demo 10 to 1. Maybe when the morons, after another 4-8-12 years of suffering, will either die off or smarten up and stop voting against their own interests.

Negligently_Joe December 16, 2011 at 11:03 pm

Maybe if bona fide fascism didn't have such a huge following in the present-day Republican party. That's not a precipice you get to easily step back from come the next election cycle, if history's any indication, and I'd rather not hand this country over to fascists, just to make a political point.

Not to mention the whole, when the courts get worse, they stay that way for a generation, not an election cycle, factor. Which should have also been a lesson from this past decade, for anyone paying any attention at all.

tessiee December 16, 2011 at 11:02 pm

So what you're saying is that if you go, there will be trouble, but if you stay, it will be double?

not that Dewey December 16, 2011 at 11:13 pm

Esta undecision me molesta.

user-of-owls December 17, 2011 at 12:38 am

Y el ex-alcalde de Southaven? El se auto-molesta.

not that Dewey December 17, 2011 at 11:41 am

Los valores de la familia.

tessiee December 17, 2011 at 12:54 pm

"Esta undecision me molesta."

*consults "Spanish for Morans" phrasebook*

NO, THANK YOU, GRA-CI-AS!

Barrelhse December 16, 2011 at 11:40 pm

One man's nightmare is another man's daydream. Or something.

MissNancyPriss December 17, 2011 at 2:07 pm

I want to vote for him. And his name is President Obama, not Hopey McChangey.

Jukesgrrl December 16, 2011 at 8:52 pm

Whatever happened to that Republican fantasy of amending the Constitution so Ahnold could run for president? That was actually a serious proposal only about eight years ago. Too bad that got flushed down the toilet before Orly Taitz and her ilk came along. I would LOVE to have heard the explanation of how an Austrian bad actor/body builder can be president but a Constitutional scholar/alleged Hawaiian-Kenyan cannot.

arihaya December 16, 2011 at 9:19 pm

because Ahnold is the wet dream of every gay Nazi-dressing closet case

like Rick Perry

weejee December 16, 2011 at 10:09 pm

♪♫ and the whip comes down ♫♪

tessiee December 16, 2011 at 11:04 pm

I would LOVE to have heard the explanation of how an Austrian bad actor/body builder can be president but a Constitutional scholar/alleged Hawaiian-Kenyan cannot…
Oh, right; the skin, the skin.

OneDollarJuana December 17, 2011 at 11:51 am

They saw that picture of Arnold with his shirt off …

tessiee December 17, 2011 at 12:57 pm

"Orly Taitz and her ilk came along. I would LOVE to have heard the explanation of how"

A) How she got such a ridiculous fucking name in the first place;
B) How, given that she's an obvious lunatic with a ridiculous name, she got anyone at all to take her seriously.

Jukesgrrl December 17, 2011 at 9:59 pm

It must have been her superabundance of professional credentials:dentist/lawyer/realtor!

Jukesgrrl December 16, 2011 at 9:03 pm

I said that last Sunday and the Sunday before that. I can't stand Tom Brady either and now Zoolander is my last hope.

deanbooth December 16, 2011 at 9:22 pm

You know who else won an election with just 37% of the vote?

Negropolis December 16, 2011 at 10:26 pm

Every minority government in a parliamentary system, ever in the history of civilization?

tessiee December 16, 2011 at 11:04 pm

Bush?

flamingpdog December 16, 2011 at 11:27 pm

Abraham Lincoln?

Barrelhse December 16, 2011 at 11:43 pm

The boss's son?

tessiee December 17, 2011 at 8:08 pm

Chuh! I *said* Bush!

fartknocker December 17, 2011 at 1:26 am

Rick Perry, in the 2004 election for Texas governor. Thanks Kinky Friedman for nothing.

ShitFilledExistence December 17, 2011 at 1:46 am

Putin?

horsedreamer_1 December 17, 2011 at 5:18 pm

Gov. Le Page of Maine?

iburl December 16, 2011 at 9:27 pm

Matt Damon / Van Jones 2012

Negropolis December 16, 2011 at 9:57 pm

That poll is utter bullshit. If anyone is to go third party, next year, it won't be liberals, it will be conservatives. What the fuck is that guy smoking to come up with such a conclusion? It's a hundred times more likely than some guy tweaking the nips of the tea party will arise than some dude courting the hardcore OWS crowd.

tessiee December 16, 2011 at 11:08 pm

"It's a hundred times more likely than some guy tweaking the nips of the tea party will arise than some dude courting the hardcore OWS crowd."

My best estimate puts the chance of the latter at zero percent, but it would still be fun to have that happen, just to watch the Dem me-tooers scramble to pretend to be the party they were supposed to have been all along.

RadioYKWE December 17, 2011 at 2:48 am

I agree old pal. Even though we might agree with the OWS crowd, they have no money or political support. The teabaggers had –and have — plenty of vampire like support from a Rove ing Dick Armey of Kochs, et.al. HUGE difference. No one has courted OWS that I know of, not the MSM, MSNBC, Obama, candy cane-ass Dems, Hollywood types, trial lawyers, no one. Most everyone just wants them to go away on the basis they challenge the status quo and unfettered Capitalsm. Bernie, the only reasonable choice, has said NO.
So let them cart out Palin or Trump or Bolton or Rubio or whomever.

Negropolis December 17, 2011 at 11:26 pm

You say that as if you're disappointed. I'm glad that they will be more likely to destroy their chances at the presidency. Let them be divided, for once, instead of putting up the guy whose "turn is next."

Negligently_Joe December 16, 2011 at 10:00 pm

OT, but on a pretty fucking hilarious note (humor's still a thing we do here, right???), here's a story about how Congressman Jared Polis (D-Colorado) has been trolling his colleagues, over SOPA.

flamingpdog December 16, 2011 at 11:32 pm

Ha, every time I get a little pissed at Jared Polis (my rep in Congress), he goes and does something like this. Bravo!

DustBowlBlues December 17, 2011 at 1:17 am

Here in what Jon Stewart described as a state so red that "blue eyes aren't allowed" I can only dream of having a congressman who would do that.

James Michael Curley December 17, 2011 at 6:44 am

SOPA is dead for this year. But the complex rule of the House will permit it to be reintroduced next year, Polis' action may have done more harm then good as the committee may be able to pick up where they left off. Had there been no action, the bill would need to be introduced as new legislation.

PrimlyStable December 16, 2011 at 10:11 pm

I'd happily vote for President Ken Layne.

If I was, you know, American.

flamingpdog December 16, 2011 at 11:33 pm

Not until I can see Ken Layne's long-form birf certificate!

ShitFilledExistence December 17, 2011 at 1:59 am

You are American, Lisa! (Sorry, I read/heard that in Yeardley Smith's voice).

Kidneys4Sale December 17, 2011 at 8:39 am

Come on down to Chicago. We'll get you in.

anniegetyerfun December 16, 2011 at 10:11 pm

Ron Paul is not a Republican at heart, or he would kill brown people as a hobby. I don't think his aim is good enough.

Negropolis December 16, 2011 at 10:35 pm

I guess you missed the big "Ron Paul is Racist" story the other day. His base of support is as racist, if not more so, as most. Actually, his racist support is really kind of subversive and strange and conspiratorial in a way the kind of casual/mainstream racism of the mainstream GOP is not. Don't take his rejection of expending energy to bomb brown people halfway around the world to mean that he doesn't want libertarianism to "cleanse" the nation back here at home. In the world view of his supporters, this "self-sufficiency" talk is really little more than a coded way of saying that libertarianism solves the minority "problem."

anniegetyerfun December 16, 2011 at 10:54 pm

No, saw it. He still doesn't revel in war enough to qualify.

SayItWithWookies December 16, 2011 at 11:39 pm

Ron Paul doesn't want to kill brown people — but he will let the free market decide if it wants to.

Negropolis December 17, 2011 at 12:37 am

And, isn't it strange that the "free" market decides to kill them every time? What a fortunate coincidence for the warmongers.

tessiee December 17, 2011 at 1:03 pm

How CONVEEEEENIENT!
/Church Lady/

OneDollarJuana December 17, 2011 at 11:54 am

And he would leave it to the dead brown people to sue if they didn't like being killed.

pdiddycornchips December 16, 2011 at 10:33 pm

Let it be Bruce Jenner. Because we just don't hear enough about those
kardashian girls.

V572 the Merciless December 16, 2011 at 10:38 pm

Nice try in characterizing this as another disastrous possibility, Ken, but the fact is that any third-party candidate will draw voters from either Gingrich (because ew,</> plus his eearlier wives Fannie and Freddie) or Romney (because his brand of Xtianity is not religiously correct), ensuring and Obama win and very possibly a filibuster-proof Senate and recapture of the House.

See how easy it is to look on the bright side?

Beanball December 16, 2011 at 11:43 pm

Nobody here has noticed, but former governor of Louisiana Buddy Roemer is actually running for president on the Republican ticket.

He's sort of an environmentalist, but other than that he's an old-fashioned (more or less) Southern Democrat-turned Republican. He's also running without corporate funding, which makes him a long shot by a long shot and a hell of a spoiler.

I would vote for Roemer just so I can say that I voted for president while not voting for Obama, whom I presently despise, and vote straight Dem/independent on the down ticket. And all you status quo vote-for-the-lessor-of- two-evil crybabies get your 'Bammer for president and I get to keep my self respect. So there.

Addendum: I don't recall that Nader was awarded a single Electoral College vote in any race ever, so Ken's snide remarks about "third party-Nader fucked it up" are way off base, in any event.

imissopus December 17, 2011 at 12:20 am

Actually, Roemer announced recently that he's running to be the Americans Elect nominee (it's that funky "the people will nominate a candidate on the Internet" experiment being funded by a bunch of corporate and political hacks). He's not trying for the Republican nomination anymore.

Also, if Nader pulled away enough votes from Gore to flip any state to Bush, then he did fuck it up, sort of. Hell, a few thousand more votes for Gore instead of Nader in Florida, and there would have been no recount madness. So Ken's not completely off base, for once.

Whatever. Meadow Party '12!

Beanball December 17, 2011 at 12:38 am

Thanks for the clarification on Roemer, but my point about electoral politics still stands.

The Electoral College elects the president, and Nader never got any votes whatsoever. Bush won in the College, twice, which makes the Supreme Court visit even more ironic, if not pathetically tragic.

Also, both Gore and Kerry were asshole wimps, who deserved to lose and as for Edwards, oh my god.

But so what? sez I. I haven't voted for a Democrat for president since Carter.

imissopus December 17, 2011 at 2:42 pm

Yeah, but my point was that electors are determined by the popular vote. The vast majority of the states give all electoral votes to whomever won the popular vote within said state. Theoretically electors can cast their votes for someone else when they go to Washington, but in practice that rarely happens. So Nader may not have gotten any electors, but he might have pulled enough popular votes from Gore in Florida to give Bush the win and thus all that state's electoral votes, which was what put the Shrub over the top.

V572 the Merciless December 17, 2011 at 12:43 am

I've seen Roemer several times on teevee and he makes so much sense it's scary. Are there really Republicans who aren't whores for Big Oil?

weejee December 17, 2011 at 10:51 am

Think Grant was the last one, but he was a whore for the whiskey lobby.

V572 the Merciless December 17, 2011 at 11:09 am

Crédit Mobilier was bad, but Big Single Malt took him down.

Buckminster December 17, 2011 at 1:44 pm

Don't be complacent.

V572 the Merciless December 17, 2011 at 2:20 pm

Oh I’m not, and yesterday’s cave-in causes even more disappointment.

Negropolis December 16, 2011 at 10:43 pm

You know, all that which is said up above, I do think third parties could be potent at the state level, and I'd like to see them developed down at that level and make the national parties chase them for votes. The stakes are far too high in a nation of this size to play around with them at the presidential level. But, at the state level or in seemingly marginally important congressional districts? Hell yes.

poncho_pilot December 17, 2011 at 3:29 am

i wish we would see more third party action at the state level, too. i think that might be the only chance of seeing any real positive change happen. if enough outsiders made it as far as congress we might be able to break up this alleged 2 party system i keep hearing about–i think it's more like 1.5.

i wonder if third party pretenders to the throne think that the only thing to shoot for is the presidency. i'm not entirely sure why they would.

HistoriCat December 17, 2011 at 8:51 pm

I could support the Wonkette party. Hell, I would contribute to the Wonkette party – as long as I get invited to the Wonkette party party.

poncho_pilot December 19, 2011 at 1:31 am

i think you'd be on the list for sure.

HistoriCat December 17, 2011 at 8:49 pm

That's basically how the Republican party did it 150 years ago. They didn't start by running Abraham Lincoln in 1860 – they had candidates at the local and state levels for at least a decade by that point. Which made them about 1000 times more serious than Perot's joke of a party.

Negropolis December 17, 2011 at 11:42 pm

It seems that Minnesota runs some fairly successful third party runs for governor every once in awhile, but it's always an independent. It's never organized. So long as third parties are ran around individuals, they'll never have any kind of shelf lives. And, honestly, if they'd start with state legislatures, instead of running for governorships, they might be more potent.

flamingpdog December 18, 2011 at 10:08 pm

But the Republicans did have a Presidential candidate in 1856 – John C. Fremont – and he didn't do all that badly.

ttommyunger December 16, 2011 at 11:18 pm

So far, I see no other choice but to hold my nose and vote for Hopey again. I joined Americans Elect and believe in their approach (a Presidential Candidate outside of the D-R Fold), but they have no candidate as yet.

KenLayIsAlive December 17, 2011 at 1:36 am

No candidate yet? How will they find the time to squeeze in the required 72,000 hours of televised debate before their first primary?

ttommyunger December 17, 2011 at 9:58 am

Good point, I feel so cheated.

owhatever December 16, 2011 at 11:38 pm

The mayor of Southampton, Mississippi, is available for the nomination. Right off the bat, that will guarantee the Canadian vote.

Then all he has to say is that he has sinned and been forgiven, and will attend Marcus Bachmann's School for Boners. That gets the religious right.

Already, he would have enough votes to run third in Iowa.

flamingpdog December 16, 2011 at 11:41 pm

Oh, what the fuck, let's be real here for once! I've voted in every Presidential election since 1972 (except for 1980- day care issues) and, to be honest, I held my nose every freakin' time!
Don't change dicks in the middle of a screw, Hopey's the one in 2010 plus 2!

But my nose is getting awfully sore.

sati_demise December 16, 2011 at 11:51 pm

yea, me too- Obama knows this, unfortunately, we are all gonna choose the lesser of two evils.

but we can dream, speculate that anything can happen . sure.

RadioYKWE December 17, 2011 at 12:23 am

Gore or Lieberman, which one is worse? Triangulate, trinity or trickle-down?

HistoriCat December 17, 2011 at 8:53 pm

Yeah – that's why we need a sane Republican party (or equivalent). Democrats have no real competition for the non-crazy racist/non-religious wacko vote.

sati_demise December 16, 2011 at 11:47 pm

Anderson/Roemer 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_Ng5lUEv6A&fe

bipartisanship is fashionable these days

ShitFilledExistence December 17, 2011 at 12:36 am

It's gonna be Oprah. Check under your ballots, people!
"A Car in Every Driveway!*"

DustBowlBlues December 17, 2011 at 1:11 am

Ken–This was a great analysis of how much third party douches have have screwed up everything. Have you noticed none of them do a fucking thing that's worthwhile to society? And the story is from the CSM. So you know it's completely trustworthy.

Here's my fav on Ralph Nader, from the "Oklahoma Observer" in 2000: when asked if he was worried about the possibility that his campaign could cause Gore to lose, giving Bush the right to appoint judges for SCOTUS.

Nader answered: "There wouldn't be that much difference between Gore's and Bush's supreme court appointments."

If there were any justice, Ralph wouldn't be making any public appearances because he'd be too busy alternately sucking the cocks of Roberts, Scalia and that goofy looking flunky, Alito. For dessert, Clarence Thomas fucks Ralph Nader in the ass, like Nader did to the USA and the world.

Sorry to be so vulgar. The mention of Nader shoots me to the very heart of OUTRAGE. I'll go back to being my good U Methodist lady persona as soon as I walk this off.

ShitFilledExistence December 17, 2011 at 1:33 am

Nader is truly unsafe at any speed.

flamingpdog December 17, 2011 at 2:38 am

I'm pretty sure I've told this story here before, but I went to high school with a girl who was a cousin of Ralph Nader's. She said that whenever there was an extended family get-together, he was always the one sitting off in the corner by himself. Everybody in the family thought he was weird (and not because of his politics). It was the biggest reason I didn't vote for Nader in 2000!

RadioYKWE December 17, 2011 at 3:09 am

You know i love all you guys, but Gore picking Lieberman was überweird?

flamingpdog December 17, 2011 at 3:25 am

Maybe Al thought picking up the smarmy, whiny vote would put him over the top.

ShaveTheWhales December 17, 2011 at 3:26 am

Compared to Bush picking Cheney?

GunToting[Redacted] December 17, 2011 at 4:31 pm

I thought Cheney picked himself. I'm thinking that Georgie didn't have much say in the matter.

tessiee December 17, 2011 at 1:12 pm

"Gore picking Lieberman was überweird"

Although, just maybe, it would have caused the wingnuts to shut up for five seconds about how this is a CHRISTIAN nation founded on CHRISTIAN beliefs and everybody should be forced at gunpoint to say MERRY CHRISTMAS, goddamn it, etc. etc. etc.

MiniMencken December 17, 2011 at 1:42 am

I am moving to Cygnus X87-b. Plenty of cool Vendian-type organisms ("Vendian organisms were soft-bodied, simple, and entirely marine.") No Republicans. No seven billion methane-farting omnivores. No use of hydrocarbon fuels in an oxygen atmosphere. Later…

Negropolis December 17, 2011 at 2:13 am

Why won't anyone think of the children and finance a Independent Sarah Palin campaign? She'd be too greedy to turn such an offer away. Momma needs a new thousand pairs of shoes.

Take one for the team, Dems. That shit would be like catnip for tea partiers. They don't know how to quit her. Buy her up a shitload of ad space in Ohio, North Carolina, Florida and such as, and then shit back and relax.

flamingpdog December 17, 2011 at 2:46 am

Momma needs a new thousand pairs of shoes.

IMELDA MARCOS LIBEL!!!1!

The big problem I see with Sarah Palin in the White House is the President's spouse always has to take up some cause to make the spouse look useful and make sure (to date) she doesn't drink too much. So what is Tawd going to take up as a cause? Orphan snow machines? Sled dog cancer? Moose habitat preservation?

tessiee December 17, 2011 at 1:13 pm

"and then shit back and relax."

I'm not sure whether this was a typo, but I actually kinda like it.

gurukalehuru December 17, 2011 at 3:02 am

When artificial intelligence becomes a reality and computers, backed up by an army of robots, makes their move to take over the world, I will support them.
Because human beings are that messed up.

paris biltong December 17, 2011 at 5:26 am

GIGO/WYSIWYG 2012

DahBoner December 17, 2011 at 8:55 am

Remember–Angerdust is just one 'D' away from Dangerdust.

Biff December 17, 2011 at 9:30 am

"There's not a dime's worth of difference between the Republicans and Democrats."

//George Wallace, 1968 American Independent Party nominee for POTUS

RavenRant December 17, 2011 at 12:49 pm

Done and done. Looks like our fantasy dating needs are taken care of the foreseeable future.

tessiee December 17, 2011 at 2:50 pm

And if not, there's always the Old Spice guy.

He's on a horse.

MzNicky December 19, 2011 at 8:22 am

But he reeks of Old Spice.

tessiee December 17, 2011 at 1:07 pm

Feel free to jump in and correct my math here, but I do believe that in order to have a third party, we need to have a second party.

not that Dewey December 17, 2011 at 2:06 pm

Well, usually it goes

Political Party
Political Party, Jr.
Political Party the Third

See? No second party.

user-of-owls December 17, 2011 at 2:16 pm

Unless the Political Party is the Day After New Year's Or April Fool's.

Or a Pope.

Buckminster December 17, 2011 at 1:42 pm

Sadly, we will get more of what we have. Kick money out of our political process! Especially foreign money.

Blueb4sunrise December 17, 2011 at 2:18 pm

I gotcher third party riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight here. I will attempt a Limbaugh style tease ….ahem…..

Coming up after the break, some obese dyke [if she's not, she oughta be] in the Minnesota, was it State Senate? Yeah . State Senate Leader Oooo la la…is thinking about stepping down, resigning, due to 'allegations' of hot no-no time with a staffer.
This is why we need strong advocates for DOMA and DADT which the Demonrats have tried to destroy…….wait, what…..back in two, uh,, three.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/mns-go

Dashboard Buddha December 17, 2011 at 2:25 pm

Koch…heh.

Biff December 17, 2011 at 4:56 pm

Author, Taintor. Heh.

Koch, 40, is married and has a teenage daughter.

♪♫Awkward…♪♫

RadioYKWE December 17, 2011 at 3:25 pm

Dykecember has started.

Walkinwiddaking December 17, 2011 at 5:55 pm

"And running against McCain would’ve only made the GOP’s loss in 2008 more inevitable, more pathetic, more embarrassing to the Koch Brothers."

I'm sure the majority of their money went to Republican candidates but at the end of the day the Koch boys are businessmen. Ergo, they hedge their bets.

HedonismBot December 17, 2011 at 6:19 pm

I kind of actually like Ron Paul, even though I disagree with him on most issues, because – unlike Rombachcainsantorumgrich – I do actually agree with on a few things. And – unlike Obama – I sort of admire the fact he has actual principles and will stand for something instead of falling for anything.
(Ducking before the rotten tomatoes hit me.)

vulpes82 December 18, 2011 at 12:12 am

You stand for absolutely batshit/immoral principles, but, by Golly, you stand for SOMETHING!

HedonismBot December 18, 2011 at 10:58 am

Yeah, I know. I'm starting to sound like those brainless morans who defended Dubya Bush in the 2004 election – "you may not like what he stands for, but at least he stands for something."
I didn't like what he stood for, and that was exactly the problem.
It was one of many vapid, meaningless political bumper sticker statements utilized by the right-wingers in the '00s, along with "terrorists hate us because of our freedoms," and "we're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here." Or people who mindlessly screeched "support the troops" whenever someone dared question why it was so fucking necessary to invade Iraq.
For the record, I have no desire to see Ron Paul become president and would never vote for him. His vision for America is dangerous and heartless. But the fact that he at least has a vision undoubtedly endears him to legions of voters.
One can be sure of one's beliefs and still be 100 percent wrong. The ability to change one's opinions in the face of new facts can be the hallmark of an agile mind.

Negropolis December 19, 2011 at 12:48 am

One can be sure of one's beliefs and still be 100 percent wrong. The ability to change one's opinions in the face of new facts can be the hallmark of an agile mind.

Let me introduce you to my dear 'friend', Willard Romney…

BaruchZ December 17, 2011 at 7:16 pm

This seems a pretty jaded perspective. I can understand that, but throwing up one's hands doesn't seem productive. We need viable third and fourth and fifth party candidates. The binary system is a setup, as we see from the state of our government.

Troubledog December 17, 2011 at 9:13 pm

I will be happy to run for nominee of the 70s Pop Song Lyrics Party. Touch me in the morning. Then just walk away. You light up my life.

flamingpdog December 18, 2011 at 1:50 am

Don't rock the boat, Tdog.

Troubledog December 18, 2011 at 2:27 am

We've only just begun. White lace and promises. A kiss for luck and we're on our way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYsac48F5Iw

Send your money now.

Edit: here's Karen Carpenter's huge ass in a genie jumpsuit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiqiFBhZTKk

Edit 2: I wonder if that'a a tasteful comment to make about someone who died from an eating disorder?

Edit 3: We report! You decide!

flamingpdog December 18, 2011 at 10:23 pm

Awwwww, Karen Carpenter is my very, very super-secret , I'll-never-admit-it even-under-waterboarding, favorite female singer from the 70s. If only she'd lived long enough to dump her dorky brother …

lulzmonger December 17, 2011 at 10:41 pm

"If the Tea Party does not run its own candidates for POTUS & Congress in 2012 it is a lie & a scam" = needs to be a meme.

Liberty Tree Fertilizer Party 2012, Or Else!

mrblifil December 17, 2011 at 11:02 pm

On the other hand, it might be a porn star. So I'm still hopeful.

horsedreamer_1 December 18, 2011 at 3:00 am

Ron Jeremy-Nina Hartley 2012.

I think we could trick the Israel lobby into going whole-hog on that one.

flamingpdog December 18, 2011 at 10:34 pm

Like this one?

taylormattd December 19, 2011 at 12:02 pm

If by "his own supporters", you mean Naderbots, Kucinich dead-enders, Paultards, Edwards hangers-on, self-labeled "progressive" bloggers, internet libertarians, and PUMAs, well then, yes, those people are continuing their now five year long routine of being "enraged" by Obama, while pretending they are his base.

Chet Kincaid December 19, 2011 at 2:57 pm

Happy Voter Suppression Troll Fest, everybody! I see the usual suspects are here, pretending to sound "reasonable". Lukewarm apple cider for everyone!!

RavenRant December 16, 2011 at 7:40 pm

A grateful nation thanks you. As a MA resident, what's your take? Is she going to beat him like a drum? (Oh please, oh please, oh please…)

user-of-owls December 16, 2011 at 10:30 pm

BUNGA/BUNGA 2012

tessiee December 16, 2011 at 10:35 pm

Yoooooge!

tessiee December 16, 2011 at 10:55 pm

PRIDE/PREJUDICE 2012…
Oh, wait, that's already the Republican ticket.

tessiee December 17, 2011 at 12:43 pm

We already had Goofus from 2000-2008.

user-of-owls December 16, 2011 at 10:57 pm

STURM/DRANG 2012

not that Dewey December 16, 2011 at 11:15 pm

FEAR/LOATHING 2012

user-of-owls December 17, 2011 at 12:28 am

BOUTROS BOUTROS/YO YO 2012/2012

Negropolis December 17, 2011 at 12:40 am

That's one classy bastard, that Trump.

Doktor Zoom December 17, 2011 at 12:43 pm

Every Thanksgiving, he'd pardon a Turducken.

ShitFilledExistence December 17, 2011 at 12:53 am

JACKIE CHAN/BUTTERSTICK 2012

Bonzos_Bed_Time December 17, 2011 at 1:40 am

Fuck that, if you live in Florida you're not allowed to vote, period!

flamingpdog December 17, 2011 at 2:10 am

I think he fell into a Gravel pit and hasn't climbed back out yet.

poncho_pilot December 17, 2011 at 3:54 am

not to stir anything up, but which mitten state is that?

for what it's worth, i think they both look like mittens. but America has two left hands and that is a little fucked up.

paris biltong December 17, 2011 at 4:54 am

SHOCK/AWE 2012 (unfortunately)

GhostBuggy December 17, 2011 at 10:44 am

As long as Wisconsin is the one that has to give a handy-j to Florida (America's wang), they can be a mitten too.

WIDTAP December 17, 2011 at 11:06 am

If Dr. Richard Feynman were alive, he would ask EW for bongo lessons.

WIDTAP December 17, 2011 at 11:06 am

Even if your name is Chad.

user-of-owls December 17, 2011 at 11:39 am

Tippy-The-Brew & Whiskey Too!

OneDollarJuana December 17, 2011 at 11:49 am

HOKEY/POKEY 2012

poncho_pilot December 17, 2011 at 1:23 pm

they did sell Florida a nuclear plant.

not that Dewey December 17, 2011 at 2:03 pm

Fifth of Wild Turkey or Fight!

user-of-owls December 17, 2011 at 2:18 pm

Can't Remember the Maine!

user-of-owls December 17, 2011 at 2:24 pm

Los valores de La Familia?

Beanball December 17, 2011 at 3:05 pm

Yes, well, the electoral procedure varies from state to state, you has runaway electors, etc and la de dah, which brings me to another observation:

The Electoral College Sucks!

We need to eliminate it, bring in direct elections and it's right up there with removing money from federal office campaigns in importance on my list of things to do After the Revolution.

In parting, let me say that I still will not vote for Obama the Manchurian, come hell or high water.

iburl December 17, 2011 at 9:44 pm

Not exactly the kinda thing that gets me ramped up to hit the phones for Obama this time.

lulzmonger December 17, 2011 at 10:37 pm

FORGET THE ALAMO!

Negligently_Joe December 19, 2011 at 9:20 am

::reads wiki page::

Organized crime… preached organization's "divine right" to eliminate its enemies… La Familia en Ingles es The Family, no?

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