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A Children’s Treasury of American Cops Brutally Attacking Citizens

Remember this face.How did America’s heavily militarized security guards for the 1% spend the work week? Oh, just pepper-spraying sitting students in the face, macing old ladies, stomping peaceful protesters, yanking women around by their ponytails, destroying libraries and bloodying the faces of America’s citizens. You know, what they’ve dreamed of doing for decades.

Remember the fat, smug face under that helmet and behind that ridiculous mustache in the picture above. This happened yesterday at UC Davis, a California college in a delightful, sustainable little town between San Francisco and Sacramento — the kind of place earnest liberals move to, when they have kids, so they can all ride around on the town’s famous network of bike paths. It’s a well-off town, mostly, and it takes quite a lot of tax money to keep a bunch of vicious thugs overfed and dressed like junior Darth Vaders with their portable hard-ons, on the off-chance some college kids might one day peacefully sit outside to protest this nation’s revolting descent.

Here’s the video, via Boing Boing:

Click to see all the pictures at full size.

One scene, one town. How many of these scenes have slipped by during these very busy weeks of protests and cop attacks? Up the I-5 in Portland, the stereotypical Brooklyn of the Pacific Northwest is apparently home to an absolutely insane paramilitary gang of thugs who cannot contain their glee at finally being able to go batshit on the people of Portland, with truncheons.

Well aren't you little motherfuckers excited ....

And more, from everywhere, because the kleptocrats told their rent-a-cops to smash heads, put all this to rest, or else. Or else what? In Egypt earlier this year, the cops refused to attack the people. East Germany and then the whole Iron Curtain collapsed when the local cops wouldn’t smash heads when Erich Honecker ordered it. What about America? Where are the cops who walked off the job rather than attack their neighbors drowning in debt and despair?

This is one of those 'better than a thousand words' pictures.

Never mind, he wasn't talking about America.

What exactly is being protected here? Oh, right ....

What happens next? If you are the kind who believes in signing petitions to the president, here’s a petition imploring Barack Obama to stop the American police violence against the nation’s people. Pictures from brave people everywhere; click to go to the posts where we found them.

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A writer and editor of this website from 2006 to early 2012, Ken Layne is occassionally seen on Twitter and writes small books and is already haunting you from beyond (your) grave.

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      1. weejee

        Barb, the kids here in C'Addle play soccer in the cold rain or they don't play soccer. Just dress them warmly. Obvs, any sign of pepper spay or tear gas, then stuff the little person in yer coat and get outta Dodge.

    1. Chichikovovich

      Fox News called a woman "filth" because she left her kids with her husband for the weekend to join OWS. I can only assume if Fox News sees this, they'll have it on 24/7 rotation, talking about how irresponsible this father is. Sadly, in contrast to the case with the woman, which discredited Fox with its over-the-top rhetoric, this will be one of the .000001 % of the times when they are right.

      1. weejee

        Our family scrapbook includes a number of pictures of my kids as participants in earlier protests (#1 son is 43) including the older boyz pushing their twin brothers in a dual seat perambulator festooned with pinko signs.

        Free speech ≠ full-scale riot, and #OWS does not require the presence of storm troopers to protect the general public or property.

        1. Chichikovovich

          Absolutely. My point was just that since people are calling out the storm troopers, you have to get the kid to safety.

          1. finallyhappy

            I took my daughter to her first protest when she was in utero (and it wasn't even ab out abortion)

          2. natoslug

            April, actually, but close enough. While I am glad to be the child of dirty filthy fucking hippies, I am also glad they eventually settled down and moved from the psychedelic school bus to a real house. I'd hate to have to move back into the bus when the economy finally tanks enough that I'm forced to move back in with my parents.

          3. natoslug

            Spring Chicken? True, at 43 I'm old enough to be one of the Young Guns in the GOP, but I think that makes me a bit too old still to be called a Spring Chicken. Does it help that I have the knees of a 103 year old?

          4. PalinzADummy

            Aren't all the GOP "Young Guns" older than that? Their "regulars" sure as hell are in the 60-80 age group (i.e., my own, aka "One foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel"). How old is that Eric "Shonda fur die Goyim" Cantor anywho?

          5. PalinzADummy

            That is SO sweet, that you would invoke your early-aging joints (you know, just because it shows you're a Member of The Tribe, and all that). But at 43, sweetheart, you're a fucking spring chicken. Why, I remember when I was 43! A ten-mile hike was de rigeur, Saturdays AND Sundays. I look longingly at your 103-year-old knees. Just remember, pot is GREAT for joint pains. So to speak. Ha ha.

    2. tessiee

      "What, they ruined my childhood with those goddamn holy day processions, and I can't take my kids to a protest?" — Claire Bretecher

    3. An_Outhouse

      Maybe junior will impressed by the uniformed mens' big sticks and want to be a hired thug for the plutocracy too when he grows up.

    4. Lascauxcaveman

      Oh will you people just fucking relax? That's not his kid. He's a nanny, and that kid is the first born son of a prominent Oregon Republican would-be politician currently vacationing in Thailand while wife is at some damn cosmetic surgery spa in Phoenix.

      That toddler is actually getting an education, while mom and dad think he's visiting OMSI and the zoo.

  1. Joshua Norton

    This will not be stopped. We can officially call it a movement now. Soon we can expect to be regaled with wingnut tales of how OWS has been seen "spitting on the troops".

    1. dadanarchist

      First let me say: hail Norton the First, Emperor of these United States and Lord Protector of Mexico!

      Second: they've already starting accusing #OWS of spitting on the troops:

      Warning: links out to Bretibart's Big Fart network.

    2. V572625694

      Already heard RW gasbag Mark Lewin assert that OWS protestors were having "sex acts." At first it seemed like he meant they were having sex, but perhaps he really meant they were doing live sex shows. Hard to tell as he was hyperventilating so much.

      1. Chichikovovich

        Perhaps he just meant that most of the OWS protesters had, at some time in recent memory, had sex. With someone of the opposite sex. (Or their own sex, if preferred.) Who was willing. And did not charge money. And since that is no doubt so far outside Levin's experience that naturally he regards it as horrifying – as if they were an exotic race of creatures from Mars. He had a similar reaction to the news that almost all of the OWS protesters had, at least once in their lives, performed a genuinely kind action.

      2. glamourdammerung

        Levin is the same moron that regularly threatens to sue Media Matters for libel (yet never does for some reason) and defended Breitbart's editing videos of Shirley Sherrod. Not exactly a moral authority despite their claims.

    1. io9k9s

      The brotherhood of stormtroopers may need act more proactivelly, like trading in pepper spray for german shepherds – it will just take one of those skinny pacifists accidentally catching a hero-k9 puppy in the head while frantically attemping to keep those scrawny appendages attached (que Sarah McLachlan song)- and the occupedios will collapse under the weight of collective american moral outrage. Raus! Raus! Raus!

      1. WunkRocker

        Also, I'm pretty sure I could beat fatass to a pulp, even in his princess Vader outfit. There's a reason I only visit OCCUPY sites. Mostly it is because I suck at pacifism.

        1. PalinzADummy

          I was just thinking that little fatty better not slink off by himself, because without his buddies and their hardware, any granny could walk off with his cojones, after sticking his truncheon up his overfed ass.

  2. forgracie

    America–we pepper spray our future. The olds are gonna be pissed when these same kids yank their socialist retirement payments from them.

    1. marinmaven

      I have run across many pictures where seniors were involved. One pic had a woman in her 80s being tear gassed — because the olds are the dangerous ones. Bah!

      1. tessiee

        I passed Occupy Portland on the way in to my temp job the other day. The cops were cuffing a couple of elderly protestors' hands behind their backs with those zip-lock kind of cuffs. This afternoon, while running errands, I passed a drop box for the food drive the police department is having.

        There's more than one food kitchen in town. I'm going to donate my canned goods to one of the ones that *doesn't* cuff white-haired senior citizens.

        1. PalinzADummy

          You should drop a letter in their food drive box telling them you're not giving them shit till they stop beating college kids and people's grammas. That should piss them off even more.

    1. Rotundo_

      No. Just no. The only lifeline that these folk have to humanity *is* their union member status. Remove that, you have mercenaries, not cops. I understand your anger and share it, but the one thing that might keep them from going totally over to the dark side is the fact that their union might remind them of what this stuff actually is about. I am no great fan of law enforcement personnel, it takes a special breed of person to be a cop, and I don't like them. I do like the idea that there is a tiny thread of humanity in them in spite of their demeanor and training. Remove the unions and you have minimum wage ex-cons with guns "protecting" you, for a price. It is bad enough already without making the situation worse.

      1. Biff

        No idea where you live, but out here in the West, most cops are in 6 figures when you count the overtime they lavish upon one another. Add in a 90% pension after 30 years, and you've got yourself an elite force of thugs.

        1. PalinzADummy

          For example, the cop who pepper-sprayed the students at UC Davis makes $116K pa. And he's just a fat old thug. All those years of school and behaving my fucking self when I didn't want to, and I made as much as that fat bastard did. And I've NEVER pepper-sprayed anyone.

  3. biocurious

    It's nice to live in a system where citizens are forced to sacrifice their health and well-being to publicize the routine brutality the police force is created and trained to met out. If these dumb motherfuckers think that allowing us to film and spread these videos will scare us into hiding, well –

    "It is funny that men who are supposed to be scientific cannot get themselves to realize the basic principle of physics, that action and reaction are equal and opposite, that when you persecute people you always rouse them to be strong and stronger."
    -Gertrude Stein.

    1. An_Outhouse

      There is a quote somewhere by one of the cops that 'curling up in a ball ' is an aggressive stance. This poor little tiny dick felt intimidated when the kids covered their eyes so they sprayed pepper spray into their mouths.

  4. ThundercatHo

    It is fucking on. I don't think these people realize that they are playing with fire. It's only gonna get worse from here on in. Yeah, I'll sign the petition and put all of the democratic organizations who regularly petition me for money that they'll get none unless/until they stand up for OWS.

    1. PalinzADummy

      Just telling them to "stand up for OWS" ain't enough. Please write to the Regents at UCDavis and tell them what you think of their actions. Insist that Pike, the cop who sprayed the kids, be FIRED IMMEDIATELY with no benefits or termination pay. Fired for negligence and assault, if at all possible. See if he can be sued in civil court, and if there is any way to take away his benefits. The fat old lardbag probably hoped he could retire by spraying the shit out of the kids. We need to show these people that we're behind those kids.

      Edited to add: The chancellor? Katehi? She needs to be fired too. ASAP. And no golden parachutes, either.

  5. sati_demise

    I am really worried about the kid they tackled in Zuccotti on the 17th. Heard he had a skull fracture, but no word on his real medical condition. I can only hope he is not permanently damaged for life because he went to a protest rally…..they stripped his clothes off, too.

  6. RavenRant

    If that fat, smug Lt. John Pike doesn't get charged for this… At least some of those kids must have the resources to sue the pants off of these assholes. (Sorry for the image of fat, smug assholes sans trousers.)

    Anyone hearing about the ACLU or other groups taking action on these incidents?

    1. MzNicky

      A couple of weeks ago, the ACLU helped out some OccupyNashville demonstrators, who were illegally arrested when Tennessee made up an instant fake curfew that applied just to the protesters. ACLU kicked ass, swiftly filing suit against the state. It was glorious to see how quickly ol' Gubb'nor Billy Bob and his henchmen folded and backtracked.

      1. RavenRant

        Thanks for the link.

        What enrages me about all of these incidents is the cops' apparent assumption that they can do all of this with impunity. Like Tony Baloney saying he wasn't pepper spraying women, there were men on the ground he was going after. Except it's on video, there are no men on the ground, and he targeted women several times.

        Now the excuse at UC Davis is that the cops were threatened. Smuggy McFatass looks highly threatened as he strolls along blithely pepper spraying kids who are the paying customers of the University.

        I'm not sure I have the stamina to be an Occupier, but I am more motivated than I have ever been to change what's been fucked up in this country. If the powers that be thought this unprovoked violence would make OWS go away, they have miscalculated.

        1. RadiosTyrone

          Raven, I thought the same thing about that Pike pic. Isn't that de facto assault and police brutality? The pics where the crowd is in contact with the armored goons, well, maybe, they have a defense. But, Pike ought to pay one way or another. Fucking sadist.

          1. Jukesgrrl

            That REALLY ought to be a lawsuit. Aren't university police tasked first and foremost with protecting the safety of the young 'uns in their charge? If parents want their children pepper-spayed they can do it themselves.

          2. PalinzADummy

            Yes, he needs to pay. Problem is that government servants are *generally* given immunity for their actions in the line of duty — otherwise nobody would want to be a cop or other government servant. However, this asshole's actions are egregious, and he should pay.

            Update: He's been placed on leave after students reported that he was all friendly and chatty with them right before he bragged about spraying them down, and then proceeded to do same. So karma's catching up with the fat prick after all.

        2. PalinzADummy

          You know what? The kids are the bodies on the ground. I applaud their courage. Obviously, not all of us can do what they do. But you and I, we're older, and smarter, and we have more connections. More weight (haha) to throw around. We, all of us, need to send daily postcards or emails or faxes or phone calls to our Congresscritters, to the Regents of UC, to our local fishwrap/birdcage liner (you know, LTTE), and bang as many pots and pans as we can. Something's got to put the fear of god into these arrogant motherfuckers. They're pushing us too hard. Gettin' to be time to push back.

    2. berkeleyfarm

      He and other spray-boy are on "paid administrative leave" now. It's a start. I suspect they'll be off the force soon, and facing the barrage of civil suits.

      1. RavenRant

        Unfortunately, the civil suits will be directed at UC Davis and their PD. When police or other civil 'servants' abuse their power or commit crimes, it's the taxpayer that foots the bill.

        That's why criminal charges should really be brought against this guy.

  7. NorthStarSpanx

    Can't we think about the morale of these officers? How they've been oppressed by a peaceful first world citizenry that don't get up to the dickens and they have to holster their base instincts to utilize their state sanctioned rights to maim and kill in the name of public safety?

    We are finally giving them an outlet. We don't have to send our Track's out to war Mama Grizzly's, we can just send them to your nearest OWS.

    1. berkeleyfarm

      UC Davis helped put the Farm in BerkeleyFarm, so it's been a rough weekend as I RAAAGE at the idiots at the ol' alma mooter.

      But the remainder of the tape – including that – encourages me no end. Go Ags!

  8. DaRooster

    It is truly sad that these events need to occur before anything to better this country can happen. Good on those protesters for remaining calm and refraining from what I probably would have done… I am sorry that they have to endure this for the good… Congress… what are you gonna do? I believe Barry knows that the only way to get anything done is to let the people speak… 'cuz ain't no one listening to him… or reason.

    1. PalinzADummy

      That's ridiculous. Bush was responsible for those, and President Obama has not only not deemed them necessary, he has (foolishly in my opinion) permitted sidearm-carrying louts at his town halls.

      1. Guppy

        "Bush was responsible for those"

        There are many things Bush was responsible for that Barry explicitly approved of, like warrantless wiretaps.

        "he has (foolishly in my opinion) permitted sidearm-carrying louts at his town halls."

        Because those are the people he wants to compromise with. The Occupy folks are just the "professional left" that need to shut up and get a life.

    2. Negropolis

      You keep jumping the shark, my friend. That was Dubya. It's hard to take you seriously when you blame him for everything short of the crucifixion of Jesus. At least get their sins, right. Jeeze.

      1. Guppy

        How is throwing around more Free Speech Zones not the exact kind of "compromise" he constantly scrounges around for? Hell, it'd be painted as compromising with the professional left for once, rather than a compromise with the GOP over whether to use rubber bullets or real ones.

      1. marinmaven


        I am writing you as a fourth generation Californian and taxpayer. It made me cry to watch Lieutenant Pike’s pepper spraying peaceful protestors and made me angry to know my tax dollars went to support this brutality. If you needed to remove protestors, you could have just arrested them. I have looked at photos at every angle and video it is clear that there is no excuse for this behavior and it was clearly and irresponsibly punitive.

        I am also writing you as a mom and I do not like to think I will someday send my son to a college campus, and be put in danger by those who should be protecting him. Can parents ever trust their kids safety in your hands? How can they?

        This should never happen again. You need to make sure that when your officers are out there they are not completely divorced from their humanity. They should be protecting students, that is what we the tax payers of California are charging you and them to do. I want cops who are human beings first who put safety first. What I saw was a disregard for both humanity and safety. If none of you can show humanity and concern for safety, we need you and your officers to step down and allow people who can take over.

    1. memzilla

      As sent:

      Capt. Souza:

      The casual brutality of Lt. Pike pepper spraying unarmed non-violent protesters shames the entire nation. The entire nation!

      Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of dollars in litigation your poorly trained officers will cost the university.

      We are supposed to be *better* than the Syrian regime.

      1. RavenRant

        Since we're sharing:

        Cpt. Joyce Souza:

        What disciplinary action will be taken regarding Lt. John Pike’s criminal conduct?

        His actions are on video, from several angles. It is clear from the evidence that there was no provocation, no threat that justified his violent behavior.

        You and your officers are sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. You and your officers violated that oath on Friday. People around the world are witnessing the aggression of your officers against United States citizens exercising their First Amendment rights.

      2. RavenRant

        I was a little more heated with Pike:

        Lt. Pike:

        You are a despicable coward. Your actions have been recorded for all the world to see. You should be charged with criminal assault, but you probably won’t be. You should be fired immediately, but you probably won’t be.

        You will, however, cost UC Davis an enormous amount of money in lawsuits. Your video will be Exhibit A. That’s not going to enhance your career prospects or your popularity.

        And you will have to live the rest of your life with the entire planet knowing you for the vile, gutless filth that you are.

          1. Jukesgrrl

            Oooh, there were two J.A. Pikes ahead of him?They must be so proud.I've collected all these addresses and will E-mail all of them.The White House and Justice Department, too.Even my relatively apolitical elderly mother saw these photos and said, “Good Lord, where is the President?”

          2. HogeyeGrex

            Oooh, there were two J.A. Pikes ahead of him?

            Either that, or he's too fucking stupid to spell "me-me-me"

            I make it 50/50 either way.

          3. PhilippePetain

            I actually told him to think long hard about his actions when J. Pike IV is old enough to understand and be subsequently embarrassed to be his son.

          4. marinmaven

            [Feeling as angered as everyone here, I was going to send him the poison pen. It would be an easy thing. Then I sat there was moved to write the following. If I want our cops to show humanity, maybe modeling humane and compassionate behavior is the way to go..."be the change you want to see" and all, but boy that is tough.]

            Dear Officer Pike,

            I am sure you are receiving some very angry emails. I cannot say that the anger is unjustified. You callously pepper sprayed students you were hired to protect. I cannot imagine the amount of suffering you must be going through to be able to cause so much harm to your fellow human beings. Not only did you harm those students, but people are watching that video all over the world and are weeping or feeling a knot of outrage in their stomachs. I wept as I watched.

            I am a mom. When my son goes to college, perhaps the UC system, I want to know that the Campus police will have my son’s back and look out for him. As a taxpayer, I insist on it.

            I am teaching my child that if he sees something wrong to speak out about it. That is what is great about our country, no? He may be one of those students in about a decade. I want him to be treated with humanity and a respect for safety. When I see those kids, they might as well be my kids. When I look at you, I know you are someone’s son and cannot wish ill on you even though what you did angers and saddens me very much.

            I believe that everyone is a human being. Sometimes people lose touch with their humanity, but I believe you can get that back. I believe you can take this event, redeem yourself, and end your suffering. You can stand up and publicly apologize and say what you did was wrong. You can be the voice that tells police officers around the country and the world that your job is to protect the people first. Your perspective as someone who got caught up in achieving a goal no matter what the consequences were, would be a potent voice to your brethren all over in a similar situation.

            You have always been part of the 99% and you are still one of us. You just didn’t or may not realize it.

            May you be filled with loving kindness.
            May you be well.
            May you be peaceful and at ease.
            May you be happy.

          5. RavenRant

            I admire and appreciate where you're coming from. I hope some measure of your human decency will strike a chord in him. I'm not as optimistic about that possibility as you are.

            I will think about generosity and forgiveness if this man ever expresses remorse or even takes responsibility for what he's done. It was an act of unprovoked violence, an egregious abuse of power and an attack on our constitution. He inflicted excruciating pain with a smirk on his face.

            For now, with moronic, absurd, transparent lies coming from the authorities at UC Davis, I'm staying with outrage. But I'll keep a little window open for the possibility of peace, love, and understanding.

          6. marinmaven

            I totally understand where you are coming from. It is always easier to show compassion for people who we believe deserve it, and very hard to show it to those who give us every reason to deny it. Martin Luther King, Jr says,
            "Why should we love our enemies? The first reason is fairly obvious. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction."

            Will hatred and scorn change a person's heart more than compassion? If we give up totally that they can change, will the scorn punish them into submission or push them further into the dark? I am still struggling with that because there is a part of my heart that is a snarky Wonkettier who can rhetorically cut down the common Nobama like nobody's business. Then I study about non-violent action and it really does require opening the heart to those who would beat us with clubs or spray us with chemicals. We got to put flowers in every muzzle and win them over to be a successful movement. I want the police join us. I want everyone to join us. We can outnumber the greedy screwheads from hell, and change them and the world. Color me Pollyanna, but that's what the Buddha and the non-violence folk are telling me.
            Snark is sexy-fun and easy. Compassionate, non-violent action not so much.

          7. RavenRant

            Good luck on your journey.

            A few thoughts: Gandhi was able to use peaceful civil disobedience to shame the British before world opinion. Would those tactics have worked on the Nazis? Would they work on Stalin? Pol Pot? Milosevic? Papa Doc Duvalier?

            The Tiananmen Square protests 22 years ago were completely non-violent. The iconic image of the lone man standing up to a tank shocked and moved the world, but Bush 1 granted them most favored nation trading status shortly after those protestors were massacred. 22 years later, it is still a crime in China to mention those protests publicly, and American corporations happily exploit a populace without basic human rights. Are those CEOs ashamed? Or are they lacking the capacity for shame, i.e., sociopaths?

            Also, MLK might not have been as successful with his non-violent protests if there wasn't a large part of the civil rights movement that explicitly stated they were willing to use violence – Malcolm X, Stokely Carmicael, H. Rap Brown, Angela Davis, and many more.

            White America had a choice: We could do this the hard way, or we could do it the easy way.

            Not intended to discourage you. I think peaceful civil disobedience is often the best tactic to achieve a movement's goals. And I think it is the best tactic in this country right now.

  9. weejee

    Cold & premeditated in the face of no danger, the smug occifer should be charged with first degree assault. What's next? Why not flamethrowers or quad-fifty machingunz?

    FWIW, on our side there are some asshats who could back off on the spitting & bringing the cops mothers into it. #OWS is that much more powerful when the demonstrators keep their temper in check.

    OT former Boner staffer's lobbying firm pushing to make monies off #OWS.

    1. RavenRant

      One of the brave, brave defenders of child rape at the Penn State riot did just that, ran up to a cop and pepper sprayed him under his mask.

      But those were good kids just letting off a little steam, so no harm, no foul.

    2. An_Outhouse

      I saw that Taser is marketing a unit for consumer use. I'm not one to need a hand gun in the house, but at least Tasers are mostly non-lethal. It might be funny to see a stuck pig convulsing around and peeing himself. (might, I said 'might')

      1. finallyhappy

        I asked if I could have a small taser for out of control visitors(the ones who "must" touch the artwork") I was told "no".

        1. DailyGrumbles

          Interestingly enough tear gas can be purchased on-line, but you need a license for a smoke grenade???

    3. lulzmonger

      There should be Marines in tanks standing guard between these Pork Chop Warriors & OWS.

      Not next month or next week, after some sick fuck with a badge caps someone's kids. RIGHT NOW.

      If it was good enough for a black girl going to school, I think it's good enough for people non-violently protesting the economic Crime Of The Century.

  10. bumfug

    I signed the petition at the bottom of Ken's post and shared it on Facebook. Already two of my friends have shared it as well and in the 15 minutes since I was signer #503 it's gotten another 150 signatures. They're looking for 100,000 signers but I'd be really disappointed if that's all they get. Fuck snark – this shit has gotten real.

    1. RavenRant

      I wish they would. But Britain, Greece and the rest of Europe are doing much the same thing to their citizens.

    2. LetUsBray

      Or are they afraid that, if they do, we'll send our bloated, over-funded military to beat up on them?

        1. Negropolis

          Yeah, but they never had it to begin with. We really never had it either, but we at least had the Constitution to appeal to and the semblence of it.

          1. RavenRant

            I think, domestically, we went through a hard fought period of expanding rights, from the Civil War, suffrage, the civil rights movement, the free speech movement, feminism, the 'sexual revolution', gay rights. And then we got overconfident and let a lot of it slip away. Even before the War on Terrorism excused the attack on civil liberties and the Bill of Rights, the War on Drugs was used very successfully to the same purpose. And there are very entrenched, authoritarian powers that would like to take us back to feudalism, and we are a fair way down the slope.

            In terms of foreign policy, though, we have always been reprehensible. Not the worst, by far, but nothing to tbrag about.

            Geez, Wonkette has gotten deep this weekend. The old snark-n-buttsex HQ is barely recognizable.

          2. Negropolis

            Good points. I take a rather long and broad view of our place in the world. We leave much to be desired given with how high we've set the bar, in theory, but I also don't forget things like the fact that women didn't have universal suffrage in Switzerland until 1991, either. That said, as far as rights are concerned, things have gotten exponentially worse, here, in the last decade or so.

          3. RavenRant

            And women were sentenced to a lifetime a slavery for sexual indiscretions or being rape victims in Ireland until 1996.

            From my perspective, we hit the high water mark for civil rights at the end of the 70s and it's been downhill ever since.

            The exception is gay rights. As a society, we are making strides on this issue, and most of the rest of the world is flat-out insane on the subject.

          4. Negropolis

            And women were sentenced to a lifetime a slavery for sexual indiscretions or being rape victims in Ireland until 1996.

            Wait. Wha?! I hadn't heard of this, though, I think I hear that abortion is still illegal there, right?

          5. RavenRant

            Check out the Magdalene Laundries. Completely extrajudicial. (Although Irish authorities cooperated with the Church to keep these women imprisoned.) Any woman or girl in Ireland who fell afoul of the Catholic Church, and girls who grew up in orphanages, and, yes, rape victims, were turned over to the church to be slaves, yes, slaves for the rest of their lives.

            The bad news is the Catholic Church is running similar operations in Central and South America, Asia, and Africa, where 'unchaste' women still have a death sentence on their heads.

          6. mormos

            In discussing political and economic systems i once told a teacher that pure unrestricted capitalism resulted inevitably in fuedalism. she became rather irrate for some reason.

    3. An_Outhouse

      Maybe Pope Benny could issue those things Pope's issue, not that he has any moral standing anymore.

      1. finallyhappy

        He's busy making sure girls can't serve at the altar- or when they can, they cannot wear the official robes that boys can. I think the different robes are so that priests know it is a boy before they start to lift the robe.

        1. An_Outhouse

          This important. The median age for priests is getting up there. We wouldn't want the old geezers to start molesting the wrong gender now would we?

      2. Negropolis

        Yeah, we could really use one of the Pope's fatwah right about, now.

        I just wanted to use the term "Pope fatwah".

        1. glamourdammerung

          I think they are too busy trying to claim non-Catholic gay marriage violates their religion while ignoring that the whole kid rape conspiracy thing they have going on violates a lot of other folks' faiths.

    1. Chichikovovich

      Absolutely Not!
      Please delete your message. It's irresponsible.
      Not to mention it provides ammunition to the Fox hacks who want to wind up the "OWS are violent" wurlitzer.
      Just becase they never call Michele Malkin on her despicable stalking behavior doesn't mean OWS will get a pass.

    2. RavenRant

      Hate to be a spoilsport, but I would not want harm to come to his children, wife, elderly parents, neighbors, pets, etc., all of which could easily result from releasing that info. A teabagger posted what he thought was the home address of a congressman who voted for HCR. It was actually his brother's house, and some enterprising teabagger cut the gas line. That could have caused multiple fatalities.

      Pike is now famous, and universally loathed. (Oh, to Beitbart and his ilk, he'll be the most treasured centerfold in their collection.)

      He'll get his, one way or another.

      1. Chichikovovich

        Your last line is right on. See my long post below. He's a campus police officer, not NYPD or state police, and I have a pretty good sense of what goes on on campuses. He's toast, if not right away then after the hubbub dies down.

          1. Chichikovovich

            At my university, mid-80s, we called them the mice. ("Somebody tried to grab my purse in the library!" — "Did you call the mice yet?")

          2. memzilla

            The Vietnamese National Police, Canh Sat, were nicknamed "White Mice," after their white uniforms (white being the color of death, interestingly enough). GIs also stuck the name to the Quan Canh, Military Police, although they only wore white gloves.

          3. Sparky_McGruff

            FYI: UC Police are real police, and they have statewide jurisdiction. They can make arrests on and off campus. They aren't rent-a-cops.

      2. flamingpdog

        Multiple upthumbs on that. And I'd also like to suggest that an asshat like this porker probably beats his wife and his children, and maybe even hero-worships Sandusky. Publishing his address would only add to their misery.

        1. RavenRant

          I had the same thought about domestic abuse. It's the expression on his face as he inflicts agonizing pain. He is clearly a sadist, and not in the fun, kinky BDSM way.

      3. Biff

        I think the very worst that will happen to him is retirement. He's already a lieutenant, pretty much the pinnacle of any cop's career, and he's probably got enough time in for a full and quite comfortable retirement, anywhere he chooses. He'll probably just get some administrative time off with full pay though; that'll teach him.

    3. Biel_ze_Bubba

      Given the likelihood that one of these charmers gave Pike his orders, I doubt you'll get much of a hearing. And I'd hold off on crucifying the guy, until we learn if he acted on his own.

  11. sbj1964

    Since 911, we have been arming our Police in military equipment to protect us from Terrorist . FLASHBACK ! That is what we did in the 1980's with the Taliban( Freedom Fighters). And now we are surprised that they are using these weapons against us ? Again ,Really ?

  12. memzilla

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." — Mohandas Gandhi.

    I think we're at Stage Three, people.

    1. Jukesgrrl

      Stage 3 can last for a lo-o-ong time.

      Even after the Imperial Monarchy was brutally removed after decades of protest from Russia's 99%, the Reds and Whites fought a civil war for four years. That's just one Stage 3 that springs to mind. And what followed that wasn't pretty either.

  13. Mumbletypeg

    Well if film-makers are looking to "cash in" in whatever respect, won't someone plz greenlight The Stanford Prison Experiment as a feature film already. I mean I realize we have hard core actual events playing out for everyone who gives a durn to witness on their teevees or PCs. Enough sleepy metropolae and small-towns, however, will see their denizens weary of it when remote-effect ennui sets in (the ability to switch off or surf away). The shock that oughtn't be has yet to dawn on many of them that this uniquely human capacity for brutality [within a westernly-'civilized' nation as ours] was documented to no flattering degree some 40 years ago.

    It could reinforce the message for those in danger of remaining detached from all this — "Nah, that'd never be me" — that the potential exists for this cruel inhumane betrayal of your fellow man in any number of folks you'd least expect, including yourself.

    1. KathrynSane

      And don't forget what the Milgram experiments taught us: If you sound like you know what you're talking about, we will grievously injure others for you!

  14. Schmannnity

    Snark aside, there is a very thin, gasoline soaked tissue which separates the current excessively forceful suppression of free speech and assembly and violent civil unrest and/or revolution. Unfortunately, there is no leader throughout the political spectrum to stand up and lead the country away from this abyss. Teaparty Republicans think they are dirty hippies and our allegedly progressive president is busy discussing military alliances in the Pacific rim and Chinese currency policy during Bali Hai. This is exactly the kind of situation that spins rapidly out of control until a dictator rides in to the rescue. Gutless punks, one and all.

  15. RadiosTyrone

    The Pike pic will go down in history as one of the most famous images ever. Welcome to ignoble infamy, Lt. Pike.

  16. SheriffRoscoe

    Silly libs!! The troops have sacrificed and died for your right to peaceably assemble and be hosed down the throat with pepper spray!

    1. hagajim

      yeah – and half of those kids getting sprayed are (or were) the troops and this is the fine thanks we give them.

  17. LowProfileinGA

    Each and ever witness and victim should report the assault to the FBI. (Yeah, I know, but it needs to be reported.)

    FBI & the Color of Law:

    "The FBI is the lead federal agency for investigating color of law abuses, which include acts carried out by government officials operating both within and beyond the limits of their lawful authority. Off-duty conduct may be covered if the perpetrator asserted his or her official status in some way.

    "During 2009, the FBI investigated 385 color of law cases. Most of these crimes fall into five broad areas:

    "Excessive force;
    Sexual assaults;
    False arrest and fabrication of evidence;
    Deprivation of property; and
    Failure to keep from harm."

  18. valgal2342

    Well, I have to say I am proud of those kids for keeping their cool, getting it together with a mic check and getting those cops to back off with a chant. Pretty amazing.

    1. RavenRant

      That was amazing. Watching those cops in riot gear go bye-bye. Perhaps some of them are capable of shame.

      1. the_problem_child

        At least one of them looked as though he was trying not to cry as the "Shame on you" chant was going on.

        1. MzNicky

          Yes, I saw that too. That's what's different about this movement — it's for the working men and women more than anyone. That includes cops and the National Guard and "the troops." Cognitive dissonance on that guy's face, and the peaceful exit of the police, was extraordinary. They're the ones the movement ultimately will need to have on its side — and will, I'd bet. Just wonder how long it will take, and what the interim cost will be.

      1. MzNicky

        That it was. Nice to see civil disobedience techniques can still work. Good on the cops for making a graceful exit too.

  19. OneDollarJuana

    The police are protecting the banks from dirty, smelly, hippies protesting in front of them. But they can't prevent the dirty, smelly, hippies from taking their money out of said banks.


    1. Sparky_McGruff

      Don't worry. The big banks will just get their money straight from the Feds. Timmy G and the rest of the Goldman boys will make sure the check gets cut.

      That way they can still pay themselves huge bonuses, without having to deal with the stinky people.

    2. Geminisunmars

      I suspect the Wonketteers were the first in line to perform that little chore.

      Long live the Credit Unions!!!

    3. Rotundo_

      Actually smaller accounts are less profitable to them, they'd love to see a mass exodus of the poor from their banks. When the more affluent start to do so things will change, but they usually make enough from them to keep all the perks for them around. Credit unions and local banks are still a much more friendly and less abusive alternative so changing to them is a good thing that should happen in any case.

  20. RavenRant

    UC Davis Police Chief Annette Spicuzza, told the Davis Enterprise that she's "very proud" of her officers. "I don't believe any of our officers were hurt," she says, "and I hope none of the students were injured."

    According to an open letter to the university's chancellor from an English professor named Nathan Brown, it got a lot worse from there:

    Police used batons to try to push the students apart. Those they could separate, they arrested, kneeling on their bodies and pushing their heads into the ground. Those they could not separate, they pepper-​sprayed directly in the face, holding these students as they did so. When students covered their eyes with their clothing, police forced open their mouths and pepper-​sprayed down their throats. Several of these students were hospitalized. Others are seriously injured. One of them, forty-​five minutes after being pepper-​sprayed down his throat, was still coughing up blood.

    From Gawker. Anyone got the Police Chief's email?

    1. Chichikovovich

      Thanks for bringing this quote to my attention. It sums up why I've been getting more and more angry about this. (As my fulminating posts indicate.) What matters to her is "her officers". And she "hopes no students were hurt" too. (What? Hope? You're the maudit calisien police chief. Shouldn't you be finding out?

      This really hits home. The close parts of my family tree contain many police officers. In particular, my grandfather, who was one of the people I've most admired throughout my life, began as a constable in the Canadian equivalent of a state police force. When he retired after 40 years, he had never fired his gun outside of the target range. Committed opponent of capitol punishment from the time he saw a hanging for himself. Never needed to resort to more physical contact than a shove in the back to nudge someone along. Solved his problems through negotiation and good sense. The last 20 years of his career were at an advanced rank, ultimately the rank just below deputy Commissioner. In those final 20 years he was charged with the task of forming (out of a geographically scattered bunch of poorly trained officers) a professional police force attending to the northern regions that were making the transition from wild mining camps to middle class towns. He formed a district force in his own image – no brutality, no quick triggers, good sense, and genuine concern for the people being served, even the rough-edged ones and the "troublemakers". He was to his dying day proud of what he had done. I'm proud to have been his grandson.

      Then I look at what police forces have allowed themselves to become and I can feel his rage coursing through me.

      1. DemmeFatale

        Me too. I had lots of officers in my family. Everyone of them from the officer on the beat (grandfather), to Commissioner (uncle), would have beaten their fists with rage if they'd seen what thugs are running rampant in what was once a model of bravery and restraint.

      2. RavenRant

        I'm sure there are a lot of officers who feel the same way, but until they have the courage to stand up to the abusers, they are doing nobody any good.

        It seems that a lot of people are living in a bubble -"I hope no students were hurt", everyone from Bloomberg to this dimwit Katehi pretending that "health and safety concerns" are reason enough to deploy heavily armed cops in riot gear against peaceful protestors. As Jon Stewart said, "So now we're sending SWAT teams to enforce health codes?" And now Katehi thinks a 90 day study group is going to make everything better, because the video "raises questions". It doesn't raise questions any more than the Penn State mess raises questions. If you have 'questions' about whether it's better to report a child rapist, or continue to enable the rapist to save your reputation, you're hopeless.

        With the ever more open expressions of racism, the even more virulent expressions of misogyny and attacks on women's rights, and, now, shameless police brutality, I feel we are edging toward a war. The class hatred displayed by the wealthy and their hired guns is blatant.

        One interesting difference at UC Davis and UC Berkeley is that some of these students and faculty are likely to have more resources than the usual victims of police brutality. There will be a heavy financial price for this. It's like those two judges in Pennsylvania who were taking bribes for sentencing kids to the new for-profit Juvenile Hall. Their mistake was picking on middle class white kids. If they'd stuck with poor minority kids, their ugly little scam would still be thriving.

    2. Negropolis

      UC Davis Police Chief Annette Spicuzza, told the Davis Enterprise that she's "very proud" of her officers. "I don't believe any of our officers were hurt," she says, "and I hope none of the students were injured."

      Are you fucking kidding me? She actually said that? She hopes none of the students were hurt? Officers are given what they need to protect themselves, chief. You are here to protect all people in their capacity as citizens, ma'am; you are not here to protect only an institution. Get it?

  21. PuglyDoRight

    The fucker in the top photo seemed pretty nonchalant about it.

    I just emailed a link to the photo with Obama's quote to the White House. Since I was both a donor and neighborhood team leader and get tons of emails from his people, I thought it only fair.

    1. rocktonsam

      what about all those people with cameras?

      take pictures of the thugs not the peaceful protesters

      haha , NPR just reported the video has been released and has been describe as "chilling"

  22. DaRooster

    I do appreciate the cop that needs no helmet… because he knows that these protesters are not going to attack him, for he is nowhere near doing anything stupid… he is a smart and understanding guy… just what we need more of.

  23. Chichikovovich

    We should remember that there is one crucial respect in which this guy is different from Tony Baloney, et. al. T.B. was a NYC police officer and, one assumes, got at most a slap on the wrist for what he was caught on tape doing. This guy is a campus police officer. If he isn't fired, there will be student strikes, faculty open letters signed by entire departments, etc.

    But most importantly of all, he has caused the President a massive headache and a massive embarrassment. Tenured faculty, who have nothing to fear, will refuse to meet with her [I'm an academic myself, and I just love 'em, but I have to admit that academics can be real drama queens. Especially the ones in literature departments. And sociology....] Everyone who leaves Davis for any reason [usually higher pay or a better job] will write a letter to the student paper saying they're leaving because of the disgraceful failure to protect students from thugs like Pike. Donors will bring this picture up. Recruiting will take a hit from this in any event, and it will be worse if this guy is still around. (Are parents going to want to send their kids to a place where the campus police will act with impunity as this armoured blob of jiggling lard did to unarmed, non-violent, bookish-seeming kids sitting harmlessly on the ground? I sure as hell wouldn't. Really, that's a deal-breaker.) This will probably not cost the president her job, but if not properly handled, and the narrative spins out of control, it could.

    And I could go on. Bottom line is that Mr. Bumble with a Badge up there is going to get his ass fired with extreme prejudice, for cause. His days as a campus police officer are over, and since those guys tend to be the ones who couldn't get hired on even town police forces, he is looking forward to a career watching shoplifting cameras at a rural Iowa safeway. Sometimes Karma actually happens, and this will be one of those times.

    Edit: And he can also have the joy of knowing he won't get a cut of the sales from all the posters that will feature his jolly little mug with slogans like "Fascism much?" or "This is what happens when you keep me from my donuts" — Officer "Fishy" Pike. [Or: Officer "Head on a" Pike]

      1. Chichikovovich

        Oh, yes. Don't get me wrong. My point was just that many people on campus love to get all up in high dudgeon and make big dramatic gestures and statements of principle over the most minor of things. So they have lots of practice, (and an email list ready to go, and a set of graduate students just waiting to spring into action) when something that really does call for massive, focused protest takes place.

    1. Dashboard_Jesus

      oh I think that Greek Chancellor/ bitch is goin' down on this one (and I mean FIRED!) btw why do we have furriners as head of our 'MERKAN universities…we need JOBS!

  24. Callyson

    My favorite comment from one of the protesters in the UC Davis video: "None of you is getting a pension."
    I hope that next time, at least some of the cops thing about that, long and hard, before pepper – spraying peaceful protesters…

  25. BerkeleyBear

    The claimed justification for the pepper spray in Portland was because the group was blocking light rail tracks – which could result in a major tragedy as well as being a big problem for a city that depends heavily on mass transit. Don't know the timeline enough to know if the picture in question actually jibes with that, but it is a terrible image for a city that actually prides itself on being okay with protests and making a point. For example, the cops will actually coordinate protests and arrests with you if you call them in advance (I'm not kidding – police coordinated the location for a labor protest and resulting arrests in advance – apparently the group wanted to be arrested/make their point, but didn't want to inconvenience anyone too much).

    1. OneDollarJuana

      That's odd. Last time I was in Portland, it seemed like the streetcars and light rail had the ability to stop. Oh, that's right, they STOP AT STOPLIGHTS! There's no greater chance of a protester getting run over than any regular pedestrian. It's all a ruse, just like "cleaning the park" is a ruse.

      1. BerkeleyBear

        If you really think that, I've got a whole stack of lawsuits the cities of SF, Houston and Portland face over damage light rail trains do to people and property. Yes, they can stop, but they can't stop on a dime, and re-routing the system isn't an option. I'm sorry if it interrupts the narrative of outrage, but there actually are such things as legitimate safety concerns and people on train tracks are one.

        There's plenty of thug behavior to condemn (UC Berkeley/Davis, the Oakland rousting, Tony Baloney in NY) without automatically discounting every safety concern.

  26. starfanglednut

    Officer Pike,

    In addition to being a violent asshole, and small person in a position of power compensating for what is undoubtedly a tiny penis, you are an unmitigated absolute fucking moron. You're committing unprovoked violence on behalf of people who would like nothing better than to bust your union, and take away your health insurance and pension. And everybody has cameras now. Any stupid thing you do will be all over the internet in about ten minutes, also too.


    1. memzilla

      You do realize that your missive is the most effective recommendation you could have written to get Lt. Pike hired as a Faux News commenter?

      1. RavenRant

        O'Reilly and Hannity would be pleased to have someone on board with an even smaller penis than theirs.

        1. tessiee

          Although they'd have the minor inconvenience of having to wait until he left the room to piss, gripe, bitch, and moan about how "the unions" are a bunch of greedy cocksuckers.

  27. memzilla

    UC Davis Chancellor Ketehi is rapidly back-walking her initial support of UCD Police Chief Spicuzza's "proud of my officers" comment. Now she says:

    "The use of pepper spray as shown on the video is chilling to us all and raises many questions about how best to handle situations like this."

    Her solution? Form a study group, with a report promised in 90 days.

    Why yes, Chancellor, this is exactly what they did in Egypt and Libya. I'm sure your solution will be just as effective for you professionally. Good luck with the Al Jazeera interview!

    1. Dudleydidwrong

      This woman is at the upper reaches of academia? She's supposed to be smart? She's a fucking moron. Turns loose the storm troopers and then she's surprised wen they act like badge-wearing, club-wielding goons? She's dumber than a box of rocks, obviously not smart enough to run a two-car funeral procession. Resign, bitch! Nobody needs a study group to figure this out.

    2. Dashboard_Jesus

      Greek bitch probaly could learn a few things from the Egyptians, hell even Alexander did and he was GREAT!

  28. RadiosTyrone

    You know history can hinge on one person and one act. Gavrilo Princip, Rosa Parks, Oswald, Lt. William Calley, to name a few. I can only think Lt. Pike will join this list.
    Also, I think we can predict the Föx Propaganda response to this: They will only further try and demonize, belittle and try to wish away these kids. I was just listening to RWR in my car and it's fucking amateur hour on and they are calling them the "mutant class." That, and all the other talking point invenctives, eg parasites, coddled, jealous, unguided, ETC

    1. RavenRant

      The person who we should remember from the My Lai massacre is Hugh Thompson, Jr. He is the man who risked his life to stop the massacre and insisted on reporting it when the military was intent on covering it up.

      And yet he is forgotten.

      As far as Pike, he'll go down in history with this gem of law enforcement:
      Lawrence Rainey

      1. RadiosTyrone

        ZOMG, Raven, I was just thinking of THAT picture of Rainey. And the context in my mind was Ailes and Russ looking at the Pike photo.
        And, yes, a humble nod to Hugh Thompson Jr.

      2. Chichikovovich

        Many sincere thanks. I'm embarrassed to say that I'd never heard of Hugh Thompson, Jr., so I just checked out a web biography of him. An inspiring story, and an inspiring person – I'll never forget it now.

        1. RavenRant

          I just found out about him a few months ago. As a kid, I used to read encyclopedias for fun, skipping from topic to topic. Now, with the internet – well, let's just say a lot of chores fall through the cracks as I leap from one site to another, on the trail of random bits of info.

          Given our insane right wing, perhaps he's safer being relatively unknown. You just know our brave chickenhawks like Limbaugh and Beck would call him a traitor and Calley a hero.

          (Actually, he's safe from them. He died a couple of years ago.)

          1. RadiosTyrone

            Ha Raven, we had a 1965 Collier's Encyclopedia around the house when I was a youngster and I would do the same thing, just cold random read.

          2. RavenRant

            Then you probably have the same 'internet problem' I have now. It's the encyclopedia on steroids/meth/oxy/heroin.

          3. Chichikovovich

            Ah, and speaking of the internet as the freebase version of the encyclopedia, look what I just learned. Chancellor Katehi completed a first degree in Electrical Engineering at the Athens Polytechnical University in 1977. (Later PhD at UCLA) As you no doubt remember from volume Ge – Gr, Greece was in the midst of major political turmoil in the late 60s and through the 70s. In particular, Ms. Katehi would have been either just beginning, or just about to begin, her studies at that fine institution when these events took place, leading to the overthrow of the Papadapolous dictatorship:

            Perhaps she rode it out in the library.

          4. RadiosTyrone

            FTW! Raven. Best comment on this rather complexly woven thread. I mean gin spurted on my macbook wo*^ 9$ll i†?@#?

          5. RavenRant

            That's two 'spurting liquid on keyboards' for me today! Yippee!

            I must say, my shriveled, snarky heart is warmed by the encyclopedia-reading nerdfest here. It's like we have our own cozy, book-lined little den in the Wonkette mansion.

            However, since I have no gin, I'm about to venture out for Cosmos. 'Night, all.

          6. Chichikovovich

            University presidents almost always have faculty positions, so I would assume that she's also a tenured faculty member, presumably in the Electrical Engineering department (Or EECS or whatever it's called at Davis). If she is fired as chancellor, she'll still be on faculty. So she's not going to be unemployed, but she'll be in a horrible limbo. Checking out her career trajectory, it sure looks as if she gave up active research about 20 years ago and became a full-time administrator. So if she loses this job (under circumstances that guarantee no university will hire her as an administrator again) she'll go back to being a professor of EE. With an at best marginal publication record for 20 or more years she won't be able to find any other job, so this is where she'll stay. At drastically reduced salary – and without publications, she'll be the lowest paid full professor in the department until she retires. In a department that is embarrassed by her presence and treats her as a non-person. Teaching all the intro courses. (Things happen fast in EECS. 20 years out of the loop might as well be a century. She wouldn't be able to catch up with what's happening in her former research specialties unless she had really top flight talent, and nothing in her previous research record indicates she does. I would guess there is a reason why she left research to become an administrator.) Better than the unemployment line, I suppose, but that silent walk of shame does give a preview of what the rest of her career may be like.

            (I've seen this happen before, to a truly awful, nasty, incompetent administrator that got sacked after all her subordinates threatened to resign en bloc if she wasn't replaced. She is currently a non-productive, completely marginal member of a department that doesn't want her, teaching all the least desirable courses and otherwise being ignored. Biely himself couldn't have designed a better hell for a status-conscious control freak.)

          7. flamingpdog

            OhmiDarwin, I'm another nerd! My parents insisted on taking me to the church service every Sunday when I was little, but I'd get bored during the sermon, so they let me read a book during the service. The church library (!) had a collection of World Book Encyclopedias, and I'd grab one before the service and read it in church.

          8. RadiosTyrone

            I would tell my mother I was going to church and take a walk in the woods with my dog. Good times, good times.

          9. Chichikovovich

            You too, eh? I remember when I was a lil' squirt and Mom would be mad at me for something. So she'd bring down what she thought was the big boom: "After dinner, you go to your room til bedtime. No TV and no going outside." And if it was winter that would be a real punishment, because, y'know. Hockey. But otherwise I'd just look at her quizzically and say: "Really? You sure? OK, Ok, c'est cool. I'll rester là après suppertime." radiating an air of "Wasn't I supposed to be punished?"

            So when she finally clued in, she realized she was stuck. What parent is going to tell their ten-year-old: "Oh, and those Book of Knowledge's in your room? Don't read them!"

            Such a happy nerd childhood.

          10. tessiee

            "As a kid, I used to read encyclopedias for fun, skipping from topic to topic."

            Me too, and sometimes I still read the dictionary at random for fun. Yes, I am a huge nerd.

          11. Negropolis

            Ha! Same here. Used to go through my grandpa's old 1964 World Books. Well, the ones that weren't missing. lol It was always fund to go through the entries on cities or countries or states that either no longer existed or changed so much that the data was so outdated as to be laughable. It really was a lot of fun.

      3. tessiee

        Oh, that piece of shit redneck sonuvabitch had a name? The link says he died of throat cancer, so that's something, anyway. Bet he wasn't smirking then.

        1. RavenRant

          Not sure there's a hell, so here's hoping he had hell on earth.

          And current redneck piece of shit, Haley Barbour, goes on the grown up talk shows and allows how Mississippi was a racial paradise back in the '60s. And nobody seriously challenged him on it.

          1. glamourdammerung

            And current redneck piece of shit, Haley Barbour, goes on the grown up talk shows and allows how Mississippi was a racial paradise back in the '60s. And nobody seriously challenged him on it.

            Well, to be fair, most of the blacks that could challenge it were murdered in that time period. Oh, wait…

      4. Dashboard_Jesus

        thanks for sharing that about Thompson, I looked him up too and he is truly a hero for intervening, and coincidentally he flew a *Raven* helicopter!

        "Thompson flew a Hiller OH-23 Raven observation helicopter as part of Company B "

        1. RavenRant

          Totally missed that detail. Thank you.

          Apparently, it wasn't just the handful of people he saved in My Lai, but the fact he derailed an ongoing operation that would have killed thousands more civilians.

          Glad to pass a bit of history on.

    2. BerkeleyBear

      Newt just said they needed to take a bath and get a job at the debate in Iowa. Of course, that's after he apparently said child labor laws should be repealed so poor minority kids can be janitors for slave wages.

      1. Dashboard_Jesus

        fuck Newt, even REAL Repugnants can't stand the self-serving, hateful asshole…here's what George Will had to say about the scumbag this morning…"Gingrich's is an amazingly efficient candidacy in that it embodies everything that is disagreeable about modern Washington. He's the classic rental politician," Will said

  29. Darthhippy

    Every time a read one of these articles on the paramilitary forces around the nation, I actually tear up hearing and reading about all this violence. Things will come to a head and it will be very interesting.

    TANSTAFL! Comrades!

    1. OneDollarJuana

      That's funny (ironic) that you should quote Mr. Heinlein in this liberal forum. Robert Heinlein was fairly Objectivist IIRC.

    1. LetUsBray

      Or Russian. Or German. When events spin out of control there's no telling where they'll end up, but there's a good chance it won't be pretty all around.

  30. finallyhappy

    I sent a message to Katehi- I told her that her response(or basic lack thereof) will harm UC DAvis,just like Penn State

    1. Jukesgrrl

      Maybe this is a belief based on ignorance (I grew up on the other side of the country), but I've always thought of the UC system of having a proud tradition of progressive dissent. Of course there are assholes everywhere but in my militant youth I always heard great stories about protests coming out of California universities.

      I hate to see the First Amendment belittled or disregarded in any circumstance but for that disrespect to come from a UC president is especially shameful. She's on the wrong side of history. I hope she's stashed away a lot of Glenn Beck gold because she might be out of a job soon.

  31. Chichikovovich

    Ah. So Ketchi suddenly realizes it's time for a "study group". Report in 90 days, eh?

    Nice try Chancellor. Here's a prediction from somebody who's spent the majority of his life on university campuses, and has a good sense of how these things go. If the video, and especially that picture hadn't been taken, you might have been able to ride things out by just firing Pike and publicly reprimanding Spicuzza. Probably not, but there is some unclarity there. But with that picture taken, and destined for brightly coloured, attention grabbing posters all across campus, by tomorrow morning, face it. The game is over. If Spicuzza and Pike aren't sitting in the unemployment line long before you convene the "study group" for its first meeting, it will cost you your job too.

    You know this. Look at that disgusting creep: Have you ever seen someone more perfect for the central casting choice of the sadistic cop? Preposterously over-armored, with a helmet that makes him look like a storm-trooper. The huge gut, caught jiggling on video. The flabby face filled with contempt at the students. The face of a man who no doubt never made it past high school, who couldn't even get a real police job, who is filled with rage at the students who have worked hard in high school to get to university, as he never bothered to do. But you know in his mind it's because they "got all the breaks", they had things "handed to them". That's how excuses his own failures to himself. And he hates the students because of it.

    It's all there in the picture. You can see it. Look at him. Look at the loathing he radiates toward the students sitting unthreateningly at his feet. Now do you think you're going to be able to persuade good students to come to Davis with the sales pitch "Give us tens of thousands of dollars a year. (Tens of thousands a year!) And in return, if ever you should act in a way that we don't approve of (as young, idealistic people often will) we'll let the guy in this picture get his jollies by sending you to the hospital." Now I'm not an advertising agent or anything, but I gotta say that this doesn't sound like a winning message.

    From the petition already posted, it sounds like there are students in the hospital, one student was coughing up blood. More damaging information is going to trickle out. Bit by bit. It is bad now, and it will get even worse. And every single time there is a news report about this – that fat pig's picture will be splashed up on the screen. There will be posters of that smug face on every wall you pass on your way to work. Students will occupy your office. What are you going to do? Pepper spray them again? The faculty can shut down the university if they want. What are you going to do? Will Snoutface teach people how to solve nonlinear partial differential equations?

    Look, I assume you've been around university politics even longer than I have, you know how this is going to end up. You are going to to be forced to fire Spicuzza and Pike. You know this. Might as well do it while you still have a chance of saving your own ass.

    Your fellow education professional,

    Edit: And I haven't even mentioned the lawsuits. The parents of those kids are retaining litigators as we speak. Some of the parents probably are litigators.

    1. tessiee

      *bows deeply*
      Brilliant post.
      Passionate, meticulously factual, lucidly written.
      You win not only the internet, but the entire world.

    2. glamourdammerung

      There is really nothing I can add to that. Why in the world would someone even think that losing their own career for covering for that blatantly illegal activity was even close to a good idea? That is not even defensible from a completely non-altruistic standpoint either.

  32. Extemporanus

    The son of an itinerant college teacher, I went to junior high in Davis, in the mid-'80s, when it was just beginning to rebound. Still, a quarter of the stores in its quaint little downtown were closed, many homes along one side of my route to school were for sale or rent, and on the other side were farm fields where I once watched a woman give birth in between picking tomatoes. There was always some protest or another taking place, usually on a median strip leading into campus.

    Once a year, the entire town would shut down for Picnic Days, which culminated in an epic all-denizens-on-deck shaving cream battle royale that filled the streets of downtown, and the paths of campus. I'm not even exaggerating when I say that it was impossible to purchase a can of shaving cream anywhere within a ten mile radius in the days before the event.

    The police and campus security response to this frustration-releasing mayhem, when they weren't joing in? Politely asking everyone to call a truce every few hours to let the fire department hose everything off, and then giving us the green light to once again let loose the globs of war.

    So. Much. Fun.

    Davis was indeed a cyclist's paradise, as Ken noted, and many of the top guys and tri-athletes of the time trained there. I lived on my beloved Peugeot, and spent every spare moment exploring the lovely and conflicted California mash-up of academia and agriculture, alabaster and orchards, upper-class and uprooted.

    The bike cops wore shorts. They'd fix your flat with a smile, and give you a light shove on the back to get you rolling again. None of them had molester mustaches, or wore huge riot helmets, or nonchalantly assaulted you in the face with a fistful of atomized fascism.

    The cops wore fucking shorts, you guys…

    1. RadiosTyrone

      Wait, that was snark? From Extemporanus?
      Srsly though,
      I went to Ohio State from '78-'86 and the campus cops and the Columbus cops were still heavily laden with the stench of Kent State, the OSU riots , and gov. Jim Rhodes. I swear on foggy mornings the smell of tear gas was still in the air. We all thought they were pretty much pigs. If my Fuji got a flat they would just as soon have given me ticket and kicked me in the ass on the way out. Their riot gear was donned rather quickly after the OSU-Michigan games.
      I've run from cops way more than I was glad to see them.
      Mostly, as civilized humanoids, we self-police.

      1. Extemporanus

        Seeing those pictures and videos of the mythologized Davis of my youth, I was temporarily overcome by slack-jawed nostalgia and an aching, very real sense of snark-defying loss.

        T'ain't gonna happen again, Tyrone.

        When it comes to cops, I've been pretty lucky, likely due more to place and time than to any attempt on my part to regularly follow the law. Also, I can run as fast as I can talk, so rarely has either approach utterly failed me.

        Going to school in Madison in the late-'80s/early-'90s, I recall one time when I jokingly asked a cop to light my joint as thousands of us marched en masse up the Capitol steps during the yearly pro-marijuana Harvest Fest, and he did. By the time I left town, it's soul had been hunted, gutted, and strung-up by creeping conservatism, and by cops more-than-ready to dole shit out.

        No more Harvest Fest. No more Halloween Party. No more Mifflin Street Block Party. No more me.

        Man, I sound Ike a bitter, boring old fuck. I'm gonna go try to take another shit. On a cop. FOR FREEEDUU…aww, fuck it.

        1. DemmeFatale

          We had so many police officers in the family, I was raised to respect them. (We weren't even allowed to say "cop," because it was considered disrespectful.)
          What the hell happened?
          I know I sound old, too, but I am kinda in shock.

          1. Extemporanus

            My asshole uncle was a Chicago detective. He taught me three things:

            One, he was not a fucking "cop"; two, the simple utility of a surprise kidney punch; and three, what it feels like for a 12 year-old to spend the night by himself in a holding cell, as a "cautionary life lesson" (i.e. "joke").

          2. tessiee

            What the hell happened to *our country*?
            After Dumbya finally left office, I was talking with an old friend about what a relief it was, and he said, "America almost died".
            I'm beginning to think he was optimistic.

    2. RavenRant

      They fixed your flat!?! Unbelievable.

      My brother taught me a surefire way to make cops go away:

      Ask for help. Say you're having engine trouble and ask if they can help you find the nearest garage. Say you or someone else in the car is sick and ask if they can escort you to the nearest hospital.

      It is like magic. They disappear before you even finish your sentence.

      1. Extemporanus

        In retrospect, perhaps Officer Friendly only wanted to get into my royal blue Op corduroy trunks.

        "Hey there, son. Need me to pump that up for ya?.."

          1. Dashboard_Jesus

            I swear to Gawd I had those IDENTICAL shorts (or at least that's what MY feeble memory tells me?) btw, nice legs…and where the hell do you find a photo like that of OP cord shorts from the 80s?

        1. RadiosTyrone

          Gadzooks, Extem, talk about nostalgia. OP threads, really? I once went spring skiing with Jams® and a trench coat on. Forgive me father, for I have sinned against the fashion police. Pepper spray me.

          1. Extemporanus

            Worst. Pedophile. Ever.

            I once greeted my wife at her arrival gate at SFO wearing nothing but checkerboard Vans® and a leather trench coat.

            Talk about the good ol' days…

    3. RavenRant

      The cops in Venice, CA wear shorts. And I still don't trust them.

      "…because the cops don't need you, and, man, they expect the same."

      1. OneDollarJuana

        Yeah, the bicycle cops in Seattle wear shorts, too. But remember "the Battle in Seattle"? Not so nice.

      2. Extemporanus

        Ha ha, touché!

        Totally forgot about that, and the police issue roller skates they wear that go "Wooo! Wooo!" when they're in hawt pursuit.

    4. natoslug

      Which jr. high did you go to? I went to Emerson, but probably a year or two ahead of you. The main things I remember of the place were the swimming pool that leaked and we weren't allowed to use, and the awesome supposedly earthquake-proof walls that were flexible and you could slam against to knock over filing cabinets and such on the other side . . .

      1. Extemporanus

        Whoa, reject-ridden Ralph Waldo it was! Two years, graduated in '86, and then shipped back to Wisconsin.

        I remember all that shit (though the pool was slightly more usable), as well as bread box-sized lockers, giant rats, and crappy talent shows on the stage during lunch hour.

        My best friend Dave and I climbed onto the roof one night. We got spooked by a janitor, and he blindly ran full speed right off the highest part of the library, improbably landing on his feet in that little outdoor reading area littered with redwood beams and benches.

        One tiny broken bone in his foot, a flawless getaway with me at the handlebars, and a memory to last a lifetime. Thank you for reminding me of it, my friend.

    5. Dashboard_Jesus

      aaaah, the '80s were so much more FUN under Saint Ronnie the Raygun…as a college student myself when this asshole was elected I remember a VISCERAL feeling of doom and gloom for the future, I just had no fucking idea it would last this long…

  33. poorgradstudent

    I have a feeling that someone else probably posted a link to this and I just missed it, but, what the hell, here's one professor's kickass response to the Chancellor's actions:

    Like most Wonketteers I'm the pessimistic type, but I do hope that outrage over this kind of thing gets so loud it drowns out even the right-wing propaganda machine.

  34. voodooeconomics

    We would have ignited this shit had the President been a Republican. It is time BHO mention something. The police/thugs are out of hand and it really pisses me off that "mainstream" does not report police abuse.. Assad would be proud, and we dare tell him to care about his people.Fuck!!

    1. RavenRant

      I emailed the White House:

      "What is the administration doing about illegal police violence against peaceful American citizens exercising their First Amendment rights?

      "The FBI is the lead federal agency for investigating color of law abuses, which include acts carried out by government officials operating both within and beyond the limits of their lawful authority. Off-duty conduct may be covered if the perpetrator asserted his or her official status in some way.”

      “Excessive force;
      Sexual assaults;
      False arrest and fabrication of evidence;
      Deprivation of property; and
      Failure to keep from harm."

      All of these crimes have been committed in plain sight, with abundant video evidence in New York, Oakland, Portland, UC Berkeley, and UC Davis, among others.

      As of this time, I have not heard any statement from the administration regarding these heavily armed paramilitary style police officers in riot gear in our streets, brutally attacking and gassing peaceful, law-abiding citizens.

      When will President Obama take a stand against police violence and for the First Amendment?"

      And I sent a similar email to the DOJ asking what they're doing about it.

    2. OneDollarJuana

      Well, you're wrong there, Mr. voodoodonuteconomics. We had eight years, eight!, of Bush 43 crap, Free Speech Zones, Don't Tase Me Bro, Arrest You if You are Wearing a Liberal T-shirt, and what happened? Not a whole hell of a lot. I'm very excited about OWS, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for success yet. Dont' count me out, though. Signs are mixed at this point, but count me in for the General Strike or the Walmart Boycott.

      1. RavenRant

        Dang. I've been boycotting Walmart for decades already.

        (Hipster Boycotter: I was boycotting Walmart before it was cool to boycott Walmart.)

        1. OneDollarJuana

          I've been to Walmart exactly once. And that was to buy clay pigeons. Because goddam hypocritical Rosie O'Donnell got a bee in her bonnet about K-Marche selling guns (even though her bodyguards were armed), so K-Marche didn't have a sporting clay shelf anymore.

    1. Mojopo

      Me too. Yesterday I was looking at a photo of the lunch counter sit-ins in 1960. Three kids sitting at the counter, and behind them a group of jackals and hicks were dumping condiments and food on the protestor's heads. That was 51 years ago, and the start of a brilliant movement. Where are we now? We have progress in the form of Lt. Beer Gut with his pepper spray ejaculate, sending students to the hospital because they had the nerve to say they wouldn't stand the injustice in this country one minute longer. History will judge this moment, and I know exactly where I stand. My conscience is clear and I fully support the protests.

      Pres. Obama, which side of the fence are you on?

  35. mrbubb

    Perhaps you will think this a non-sequitur, but Obama just has to go. He's been marginally better than Bush, anybody thinking he gave us health care forgets that Pelosi took care to get it passed after Ob. gave up.

    If Hilary would run in the primary, she would absolutely get my vote. Obama deserves to go down as the worst Democratic president of the modern age, easily. (Carter's heart at least was in the right place.)

    1. LetUsBray

      I'm sorry, but as severely disappointed as I am in the president, I haven't seen one thing to tell me things would be any different if Hillary were in his place. Besides, her husband wasn't that great either: NAFTA, welfare "reform", the Fox News enabling telecommunications act…

    2. RavenRant

      Both Clintons are the polished professional corporate whores Obama is just learning to be.

      Remember Hillary's threat to "obliterate" Iran? Remember her vote for the war in Iraq and how she still defends it as the right move? Remember her backing the military coup in Honduras instead of the democratically elected president? Remember her sending one of Mubarak's paid shills to 'negotiate' with Mubarak, and he came out swinging for Mubarak, undermining the administration's efforts to oust him? Remember Lanny Davis and Marl Penn and the rest of the foul, corrupt horde?

      Remember "sniper fire" for fuck's sake? If this country had a shred of sanity, that alone should have ended her public career.

      Obama's whole problem is that he's governed too much like Clinton. Clinton's staff, Clinton's godawfull horrible economic advisors, Clinton's strategies.

      I wonder why he thinks we nominated him instead of Hillary. If we wanted Clinton's third term, we could have voted for it.

      1. Chet Kincaid

        Who has Obama's back in Congress? 51 Senators and a couple of crackpots. There is literally nobody else; less than a majority of the House is nothing.

        Who had Clinton's back in the 104th, 105th and 106th Congress? No fucking body.

        I will take Obama's first two years with lukewarm Congressional backing over Clinton's first two years with lukewarm Congressional backing any time.

        1. RavenRant

          Wow. I just wrote a GIANT response to this, that got deleted by the administrator. Probably because it referenced that time Rahm Emmanuel called libruhls fucking *forbidden* r-words.

          I was a work of genius lost to posterity because dumb Jack Stueff posted a dumb, unfunny screed way back when.

          Oh, well.

          1. RavenRant

            Wait, WHUT!?!

            How did you defeat the all-powerful, anti-r-word filter?

            (I really was hoping you could tell me how to get my vanished post back, so maybe I'm a smidge r-word, at that.)

          2. memzilla

            Sometimes just hitting the "back" button on your browser is enough to get your post back. Sometimes you may be able to retrieve it from your browser's cache file (sort by "date modified").

          3. RavenRant

            I use safari, and it doesn't give you a way to access the cache except to clear it. Any way to access a safari cache on a Mac that you know of?

            I think the 'back' button is a lost cause at this late stage of the game, but I'll remember it for next time.

            It seems like Intense debate should save our comment even if they're deleted by the administrator. After all, the administrator controls this site, whereas Intense debate provides service to multiple sites.

            At this point, if I was even able to recover the post, I'd probably read it and go, "Meh."

            No, it was a work of art. srsly.

          4. imissopus

            To be fair, Rahm did not call the liberals fucking r*tarded. He said it about a plan some activists had to air ads calling out conservative Dems who were on the fence about health-care reform. Rahm felt that public shaming in an already overheated atmosphere would be counter-productive, and he expressed it in his usual indelicate way.

          5. RavenRant

            I know of one ad that was freaking Rahm out, and it was a great one. Obama had started claiming that he had never run on the public option. The ad was short and sweet: Obama, on video, saying, "Any bill I sign will have a public option." Lying about shit when there's video is stupid, even when Beloved Leader does it.

            And every week for two years, one of the major papers or political blogs had a 'highly placed administration official' (Rahm) trashing liberals, trashing unions, and/or praising blue dogs and Republicans as 'realists'.

            See Blanche Lincoln, utterly disloyal blue dog. The administration backed her against the unions' choice, won the primary, and shit all over the unions in the aftermath. And lost the general in a landslide. Don't get me started on Joe fucking Lieberman and how he's really 'on our side, most of the time.'

          6. imissopus

            Oh, you'll get no argument from me on Lieberman, he's an enormous jackass. I was in Connecticut two years ago at my brother's in-laws' house, and I half-jokingly asked if they knew where Vinegar Joe lived so I could go over and punch him in the throat. They told me I'd probably have to wait in line.

            But this brings up something that I and others here have argued in this space many times regarding the healthcare bill, and it's summed up by a quote I read from a Senate staffer at the height of the debate. It went something like, "Obama can promise whatever he wants, shit doesn't pass the Senate if Ben Nelson doesn't like it." If I remember correctly (I'd have to look this up), the public option got tossed overboard because Lieberman demanded it as the price of his voting to break the filibuster. Keep the public option, nothing at all gets passed because not one Republican would break ranks.

            So that ad you're describing might have been attacking the wrong problem. The activists needed to be putting the pressure on Lieberman, threatening him, getting his constituents to flood his office with calls. Otherwise the only people he's hearing from are his insurance company donors (who pretty much own Hartford), and he has no incentive to go along with the president. Rahm's job was to protect and help his boss, and he saw (correctly in my opinion) that an ad attacking Obama in some way was counterproductive and wanted the activists to aim their resources at a place where it would do some good.

            Now, if the point of that ad was to put pressure on Lieberman to help Obama by voting for the public option, then my original thought still stands: Rahm figured that publicly shaming Lieberman would only make the little weasel dig his heels in more. I don't know if he was right or wrong in that assessment, but it's what he was arguing, so again, he just expressed himself in his usual indelicate way. Didn't necessarily make his point wrong, though.

          7. RavenRant

            I do not share your admiration for Rahm Emmanuel. I think he was an utterly incompetent, corrupt failure as Chief of Staff, and he is proving to be an utterly incompetent, corrupt Mayor of Chicago. He, as much as anyone, tainted Obama's reputation and helped deliver the House to Republicans in 2010.

            His elevated reputation within the beltway is one of the symptoms that the beltway culture is divorced from reality and delusional. And he was supposed to be intimidating? How spineless are our political 'elites' to be intimidated by this crooked foul-mouthed little punk? Oooh, he swore at me!

          8. Chet Kincaid

            I agree with you about Rahm. He was on the wrong side of the argument with Howard Dean in 2006 and 2008, he didn't deliver the goods as Chief of Staff, and he left D.C. with the debacle of the 2010 elections. I think it's a little early to call him an incompetent and corrupt mayor, though. He might be exactly where he needs to be now.

          9. imissopus

            I didn't say I admire the guy, just that in this one case I get what he might have been thinking. Overall I was unimpressed by the job he did as Chief of Staff.

            How spineless are our political 'elites' to be intimidated by this crooked foul-mouthed little punk?

            Don't ask me, you're the one complaining that he once called someone "fucking r*tarded." I doubt Rahm was the one who immediately cried to the press about being insulted.

          10. RavenRant

            Yes, the dirty fucking hippies 'cried to the press' about their constant dissing by the administration. Yeah, right. Who in the 'press' or any version of the 'media' covers the liberal Democratic base?

            Here's a quarter, buy a clue: So-called Democrats who openly and constantly shit on unions AND all of the people who volunteer to phone bank and GOTV for Dems should not expect an enthusiastic base to turn out for them.

            I can only hope the party, going into 2012, isn't as spiteful, insular, and moronic as whoever writes your script.

          11. imissopus

            Oh for fuck's sake, I didn't say "dirty fucking hippies" and I didn't say "constant dissing," nor did I even imply it. I'm talking about ONE specific instance. You want to blow that up into a long list of grievances, fine. Continue to play the poor, aggrieved, put-upon victim and see how far it gets you.

            Spiteful, insular, moronic? Yeah, this from the person who just told me "here's a quarter, buy a clue." You know what? I don't have the time or the patience to play with a giant rage ball who just wants to take some misplaced anger out on an Internet comment board. Get up from the computer and take a deep breath. Or go fuck yourself, it's all the same to me.

        2. RavenRant

          Seriously, it went from Federal Reserve policy to war crimes to war profiteering to punishing whistleblowers. It was a work of history, it was a work of art.

          I don't even use the r-word. I was quoting Rahm Emmanuel.


      2. tessiee

        "If we wanted Clinton's third term, we could have voted for it."

        I thought we had.
        Didn't Al Gore win the 2000 election?

        1. RavenRant

          Good point, although he tried hard to distance himself from Clinton.

          But in 2008, after 8 years of Bush/Cheney the country voted for what was billed as CHANGE and the fierce urgency of NOW. I think the country delivered a clear message, a win by the largest margin in a generation, democratic control of both houses – and we got centrist, cautious, bipartisan bullshit. And the Dems in the House and Senate dithered and whined and wasted months.

          Obama and the ever-incompetent-at-messaging Dems fucking rehabilitated the Republicans. They were as popular as smallpox, and in two years, they managed to take back the House.

          Just one thing to add – Everyone mocked Michael Steele, what a clown, what a buffoon. Nobody mocked Tim Kaine. Howard Dean delivered the House and Senate in 2006, and the House and Senate and the Presidency in 2008, and was kicked to the curb with barely a thank you. Tim Kaine took over, and lost and lost and lost, starting with Ted Kennedy's seat. And was never laughed at, never mocked, never called a buffoon or a clown, never even showed his lazy, incompetent face in public as far as I can tell. Let's hope DWS is up to the job.

          1. tessiee

            Agreed. Whatever President Hillary might or might not have done (and there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the right wing would never have let her take office, no matter what, even if they had to shoot her in the head on national television), we got gypped out of the hope and change that Obama ran on, and that we elected him for.

            "They were as popular as smallpox, and in two years, they managed to take back the House. "

            As one of the other wonketteers (sorry, don't remember who) said, "We started out with a President who won in a landslide, both houses of Congress, and a filibuster-proof supermajority in the Senate, and yet, somehow, two years later, we ended up with nothing".

          2. RavenRant

            I can't agree with 'nothing', although I do think 'Health Care Reform' was not such a fucking big deal after all. The sad fact is it provided more people with insurance. If you've ever dealt with a serious illness, you will know that having insurance very often does not translate to having health care.

            I don't even have the energy at his hour to go into all the ways it fell short of needed reforms. Credit Card reform wasn't. Dodd/Frank is pathetic, nothing anywhere near the reforms needed.

            But I will say we've made considerable progress on LGBT issues, mostly because those activists went after Obama loudly, publicly, and often. He does respond to pressure.

            And a handful of other legislation passed in the first two years. But the biggest issue we have to look at is, "What would President McCain have done?" Or, God help us, "What would President Palin have done?"

          3. imissopus

            Whoever said that last bit is wrong, as we have discussed around here a whole bunch. Having sixty Dems is not the same as having a super-majority because the Dems are not ideologically rigid and do not vote on a party line. There are liberals, moderates, and conservatives, and because the GOP is so monolithic, if someone like Lieberman or Ben Nelson objects to something, then it doesn't pass. And in any case, the sixty vote majority actually only lasted a few months, from early summer of '09 until Scott Brown came in the following January.

          4. Chet Kincaid

            I tremble to think at how thoroughly I must have been schooled and humiliated in your response that disappeared up the ether (smiley face, goddamit!), but let me say a couple of things about why I brought up Clinton.

            Clinton came into office with Democratic majorities in the House and Senate. He spent the final 6 years of his Presidency with majorities in neither the House or the Senate. Despite this, he won reelection, was beloved by ordinary schmucks from coast to coast, and would have gotten a third term despite dragging the country through a stupid personal scandal.

            He put his wife in charge of Health Care Reform, and she failed miserably at it. (I would rather have Obama's weak sauce than Hillary's steaming cup of nothing.) His next highlight was making an ass of Newt Gingrich, when ol' Newt had Clinton boxed in even more than Boehner hoped he had Obama neutered. How was Clinton able to achieve this, skate by and win reelection, having been dealt a worse Congressional hand than Obama's?

            By triangulating and steering to the middle, and becoming a Centrist to save his own ass. And oh, how progressives supposedly hated him for it! But not really. A rising tide of Internet faux-wealth floats all boats! And we have to face some facts: the people in this country who vote are not going to elect Bernie Sanders President. Not then, not now. (Tomorrow, maybe.)

            He also did it by being a good ol' Southern white boy, in a time when a few Congressional Republicans were still susceptible to such charms. I guess it's lucky for Billy and unlucky for Obama that the economy was not completely in the goddamned toilet in the '90s, and that Republican Senators and voters could have the pants charmed off them by a glib white backslapper!

            In conclusion, "Centrist" is where you end up when the people in this country are too goddamned stupid to consistently vote in their own best interests. "Centrism" is also best achieved with a white face, because nothing you try with a black face is ever good enough or beyond the worst suspicion.

          5. RavenRant

            I have been very clear that I consider Obama far superior to Bill Clinton, and that I think Hillary Clinton is a disgrace to women, feminists, democrats, and anyone else dumb enough to embrace her as a 'leader'.

            The fact that you are oblivious to that unsubtly hammered home point indicates a blind spot of epic proportions.

            One of my many problems with President Obama is that he doesn't seem to have 1/1000ths the grasp of racial realpolitik that you have demonstrated in your post.

            Oh, yeah. And he has the entire Executive Branch at his disposal, and for three years he's chosen to launch an unprecedentedly vicious attack on whistleblowers, and not a single prosecution on war profiteers, war criminals, predatory lending, graft, tax evasion, or securities fraud.

            I could go on, but treating cognitive dissonance is not my field.

            Smiley Face, if that makes you feel better.

          6. imissopus

            Forget it, Chet. Dude went off the rails somewhere around three in the morning and hasn't come back. You can always tell when that happens: you're making your points and the other person comes back with some other off-topic thing Obama did that he's ALSO pissed off about. Pretty soon we're all deep in the forest without a trail of bread crumbs.

        2. MzNicky

          Why yes, yes he did. This whole shit-storm started when the Bushwhacked SCOTUS appointed The Idiot Boy POTUS instead. We all know what happened next.

          OWS had to happen, eventually. Glad it's here, no matter who's currently inhabiting the White House.

      3. sati_demise

        yea, Obama has turned out to be the worst combination of Clinton and Bush. Clintonesque 'free trade' deals of Neo Liberalism and Wall Street permissiveness mixed with
        Bushian Neo Conservative global war mongering, the continuation of the Patriot Act and expansion of Executive privilege.

        Combine these with the intrenched crony capitalism and no one wins except the 1%.

        1. RavenRant

          Call me a schmuck, but deep down inside, I still HOPE!

          I don't think he's worse than Bush. We've never had a president worse than Bush. And I think he's better than Clinton. But the country is worse. And our legal system is worse. Our systemic corruption is worse.The damage done by 8 years of Bush and 30 years of moronic Reaganomics embraced by both parties is not being reversed.

          I will vote for him to stave off a psychotic in the White House and hope that in his second term he is reborn as our dear Barry Hopesalot once more.

    3. El Pinche

      Mr. Bubb, I think we all feel your frustration and outrage at Obamars, but what is the alternative? Hills aint running and I'm certainly not voting for any of those GOP corporate cock sucking sycophants who are much much worse. Not voting is not an option for me.

    4. imissopus

      I got five bucks says that mrbubb is one of those right-wing trolls that gets paid to haunt liberal blogs and their comments.

      Ha ha, I'm kidding! I don't have five bucks!

      1. RavenRant

        I think there might be a few of them on this thread. Like the person who suggested we post the cop's home address.

        Way more teabaggy than Wonkette style. And I am proud to say, the Wonketteers responded brilliantly

      2. Rotundo_

        My thoughts exactly: PUMA types for the most part gave it up when Barry took office. A primary challenge would just fuck things up and hand the whitehouse to the loonies just as several supremes are getting up there in years. Fuck that. I am not inspired but I am motivated enough to go and vote and make sure those I know do the same to keep the fascists out for a little longer.

    5. sati_demise

      You would vote for Hillary even after her time at the helm of the State Department? Really?

      good god, she has done horrific things at State.

      Remember when both Hillary and Obama promised to renegotiate NAFTA, CAFTA, etc? WTF did we get instead? 3 more fucking 'free' trade deals.
      They are both rotten to the core. Sold out.

      1. OneDollarJuana

        But, but, they did renegotiate the deals. And we got three shiny new deals as a result! And Mexican trucks can drive across the border now! Into the US! Cool! With non-functional brakes and wage-killing wages! Cool!

  36. Mojopo

    Dear Rabble and Troublemak­ers: Stay firm and commit to non-violen­ce. Even as you are being made to suffer, as you are maligned and humiliated­, you are winning. You are part of a long line of civilly disobedien­t individual­s in this great nation of ours. No matter how hard the cynics will try to discourage you for protesting on behalf of the greater good, history has judged these movements with compassion­.

    1. OneDollarJuana

      Chancellor Linda Katehi's walk through the silent crowd was infinitely more powerful than any violent demonstration. Keep it up! #ows #ucdavis

  37. Chet Kincaid

    I'll be accused of pooping on the outrage, but what, in America's colorful history, would make you expect NOT to get pepper-sprayed, beaten and prodded for engaging in civil disobedience? If it's just a festival that everyone tolerates, with cops lighting joints and fixing flats, wouldn't protest be part of the status quo that nobody takes seriously?

    And if it doesn't hurt anyone's feelings (glances toward Detroit), I'll ask, what is the endgame, what are the goals, of OWS? All I can find online is a vague idea that this is going to go down like the Arab Spring, which I find impossibly naive.

        1. starfanglednut

          Sometimes I think they may be too wed to the idea of decision by consensus. I used to work for the Quakers, and as wonderful as they are, decision by consensus is probably one of the slowest ways to get things done, including coming up with a practical, focused, achievable demands.

    1. memzilla

      If it were me, I would say the message should just be "Tax The Rich." How else can you reverse the massive inequality of wealth in this country, which IMHO was caused by lowering their taxes in the first place?

      I saw an interview this morning with two OWS people on C-SPAN. They seemed rather insistent on OWS not having a specific message, or a specific leader. I got an image of a giant coral reef, an accretion of anger and frustration, itself attracting other forms of life to it, yet not being alive itself.

      I can live with No Single Leader. But history teaches us that every protest which succeeds has one and only one message that just gets hammered and hammered again. Prohibition: Liquor Out. Gandhi: Brits Out. Jefferson: Brits Out. Lenin: Czar Out. Hoffman: US Out Of Vietnam. Nader: Safer Cars.

      It's the KISS Principle: Keep It Simple, Stupid.

      1. RavenRant

        Tax the rich. restore Glass-Steagall, and prosecute corporate criminals to the full extent of the law. Create jobs restoring/updating our crumbling obsolete infrastructure.

        Well, those are my messages anyway. OWS is welcome to them.

        1. RadiosTyrone

          I think there are four clear cut things that are responsible for the sorry state we are in. And each is corroborated by the vehement response from the Ailes/Russ propagandizers. First, the Bush/Obama tax cuts. A 3% marginal tax hike, and they make it sound like full out Stalinism. They would would rather cut their left nuts off collectively than accept this modest "job killing" return to historical levels.
          Second, Gramm Leach Bliley. I just reread the history of this monstrosity. I must say I was offended at the time, not least of which by my repugnance of Wendy Gramm — Enron anyone?
          Third, the loss of the peace dividend in the over-reaction to 9/11. The Neocons won.
          Fourth, the stupid money in campaigns. For what? We don't know where these fuckfaces stand? How many stupid commercials, road signs, and e-mails to us, to give more money nonetheless.
          I support the Ocupados, if for nothing else, they have brought to the fore questions about the 1%. Chet, it's all we got. The 1% seems to be very concerned about this vague movement. Why else would they be so uniformly hypercritical and defensive? Me thinks doth does protest too much.

          1. RavenRant

            And also the steep cuts to the capital gains tax. Since the very wealthiest Americans get the bulk of their income from capital gains and/or held interest, and that is taxed at a maximum of 15%. So just raising income tax won't nail those guys.

            And we have to restore a reasonable estate tax.

          2. RadiosTyrone

            Good points. And it highlights the semantics of this debacle. Frank "I've Never Scored" Luntz's claim to fame is his labeling of the "Death Tax." Oooh, scary. People should be able to keep and pass on to their little 0.1%ers the fortunes they've accumulated….or whatever. The Koch's, M&M Mars, Wal-Marts, and the rest of the 400 or so families would chew off their arms to get rid of that tax. Romney and the clown car are all waiting to get at that. And, of course, our talking point friends claim it is a tax on "farmers" and "small business" and "families."
            I've got a herpetic chainsaw "poll" for you Frank.

      2. sati_demise

        It is more complicated than that. We now have a global economy (which is why the banks were able to affect the economy all over the world).

        The solutions demanded are vast. They not only include the things people mention here for US policy, but the major demand is on reigning in the power of the Multinational Corporations.
        This will mean we will have to address global trade, environmental policies all over the world, and workers rights all over the world.

        Not an easy task. the problems are much bigger than just the United States. Only solving the problems here does very little to address the real problems that need to be fixed. And that will involve taking on the richest and most powerful entities on Earth.

    2. Chichikovovich

      I hereby accuse you of pooping on the outrage. Which is an outrage!

      But seriously folks, I don't think that anyone is surprised, exactly, by the existence of a physical response. Just by the degree of it, which seems insanely disproportionate. (And, in the case of Pike etc. that a campus police force should be charged by the university administration to unleash this kind of violence on its students.) People had been lulled into a false sense of security by the idea that Bull Connor/Mayor Daley tactics were somehow relics of a dimly remembered, less civilized past. People had forgotten what this sort of thing can look like, and it's a splash of cold water.

      As for OWS I think there was a long period at the beginning where it was more important to establish a presence in numbers, to convey the sense that legions of people were upset with how the plutocracy had been able to stage a "coup-with-capitol" and they were now paying attention and angry. Better, at that stage, not to worry too much about crafting a non-negative message that could divide people. But now that the size and commitment of the people participating in OWS has become clear, it's time to move to a different phase. From a tactical point of view the crackdowns represent something of a gift: it gives a sobering glimpse at how seriously the plutocracy is taking these things, but more importantly it will force the movement to move to different tactics, and hopefully more directly focused steps toward change.

      The protests as such were not going to go on forever. Winter is coming – as the temperatures settle toward zero and even below, it will be hard to keep people from drifting away. And contrary to Fox news/Rush propaganda, most OWS people have jobs – either they visit the camps on their off-hours, or they are using vacation time and they'll have to return. So it's time to shift gears and channel energy differently.

      1. Chet Kincaid

        I know what you're saying. Thanks for your thoughts.

        To clarify something: the comments on most websites and blogs are a vast wasteland of racists, idiots, crackpots, and soft-headed doofuses. Wonkette comments are an oasis from that, and the collective wit here is the best filter for warding off bozos. So, I don't comment anywhere else, and when I have a serious question, I ask it here. I'd rather hear what you guys have to say, or say what I really think, here than anywhere else.

        1. Chichikovovich

          One thing to add: It is disturbing to see the militarization of the police response. The armor, the truncheons and pepper spray, the hi-tech sound gadgets, the phalanxes marching in unison. But I'm not surprised by it. Growing up in a police family (not my immediate family, but the extended family – grandfather, uncles, cousins) I learned that if a force has equipment, they're going to want to use it. After 9-11, when police forces from NYPD to Mayberry RFD were having wheelbarrows of cash rolled up to them to buy more stuff – special radios, night-vision gear, fancier riot gear, body armor, crowd control chemicals, I expected that we were going to see a transformation toward a more frighteningly impersonal, more violent and less reasoned police response. You've got huge storage bins full of helmets and body armor to combat terrorists. But there aren't any terrorists around? Well, as Bob Dylan said in "Talking New York", if you don't have food, but you've got a lot of knives and forks, you've got to cut something. So I expected things like this to happen, and I'm just hoping that they are startling enough to wake people up to the Frankenstein's monster we are creating as law enforcement gradually comes to see itself as a military force, as waging a military campaign. The "police riot" in Chicago in '68 was frightening because it indicated that Chicago law enforcement was in the grip of a kind of savage mania. This is frightening for a different reason altogether.

          But hey, the 'States is still a mystery to me much of the time. I could be wrong. I hope so.

        2. MzNicky

          I agree with you wholeheartedly. I used to visit all the usual blogs; now it's down to Wonkette and my stoopid local news site. I go there to get the backs of the handful of other liberals and to taunt the dumb-as-shit wingnuts. (It's fun until the bile gets too much and I go off on someone and get banned, which happens about once a week.) Wonkette is my oasis of reassurance that wit and intelligence do exist somewhere in this country.

      2. OneDollarJuana

        1) Corporations are not people.

        2) Money is not speech.

        2) Taxes must be fair.

        3) All elections must be publicly-financed.

        4) Glass-Steagall must be reinstated.

        5) Prosecute economic crimes to the fullest extent of the law.

        Too many? How about

        1) Eliminate corporate personhood.

        2) Money is not speech.

        1. RavenRant

          I've got one more simple one: Congress cannot exempt itself from the laws it passes.

          I think it would have to be a constitutional amendment, but I'll bet it would have 99% popular support.

      3. tessiee

        "I hereby accuse you of pooping on the outrage. Which is an outrage!"

        "Now go away, silly person, or I shall fart in your general direction and taunt you a second time!"

    3. MzNicky

      My thoughts as well. I'm thinking of the civil-rights marches in the early and mid-60s, with the water cannons, the beatings, the bombings of churches. Also the Vietnam war protests — So much of what's going on now is what happened around 40 years ago: the demonization and ridicule of the movement, the outbreaks of violence, the polarization of the populace. But there was a definite focus, and a pinpointed goal: Stop the goddam war, NOW. The movement's got momentum and is demonstrating its staying power. Now it needs some faces, some voices, and a focus. And prepare for a Kent State moment. I wish it wouldn't happen, but I have a feeling it will.

      1. OneDollarJuana

        It's a pity that so much effort was spent on just stopping one war. In the light of modern reality, it seems a bit quaint. Stopping a little war. I'm not even sure it would have been stopped "so soon" if Nixon's White House hadn't been so involved with political espionage. Shoot, it wasn't till recently that the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was proven to be trumped-up.

        I'm hoping beyond Hopey that this #ows thing is real enough to convince our shell-shocked and sedated populace that certain fundamental rules need to change. I was about to write that I don't expect things to work out, but shit, if they don't we're fucked. Might as well go out and get a few KFC Double Downs and a sixer of 4Loko and ride the wave back to 1984.

        1. MzNicky

          "Quaint"? hmm. Well, there was this thing called the draft going on at the time, so that had a lot to do with it. There were a lot of things going on at once, really — civil rights for blacks, the women's movement, the antiwar movement — hard to remember now, I guess, that prior to those movements, precious few in this country even considered questioning automatic obedience to such revered institutions of authority as the government, the sacred military, the fearsome Church. Blacks belonged in the janitorial services; women belonged in the kitchen; young men fresh out of high school belonged in Asian killing fields. Ah, those were the quaint old days.

    4. Extemporanus

      Poop away, Chet.

      I've rarely (if ever) disagreed with any of the shit you've ever said, and just recently name-checked you in appreciation for often being one of the few here with the balls to voice some much-needed dispassionate perspective.

      My earlier, admittedly maudlin, comments were mostly born of the disconnect I felt in seeing such over-the-top state sanctioned antics being carried out in a small college town by the very same class of public employees who twenty-five years ago wouldn't have even dreamed of doing the same.

      But I also grew up in downtown Milwaukee in the '70s and early-'80s, back when it was the most segregated, murder-happy city in the country, so I harbor no illusions about the sheer brutality a bully with a badge and a billy club is capable of meting out. I saw it firsthand, frequently. More importantly, way too many of my melanin-enhanced friends felt it firsthand, frequently and without provocation, too.

      I agree that social action and skull cracking have historically gone hand-in-hand, and that nothing gets an American's attention quite like the exciting spectacle of some poor anonymous sap getting the bejesus beat out of them on the nightly news.

      But must a movement's success be judged solely by Thunder Dome attendance figures? There has got to be a better way to garner the coverage, support, and ultimately, enaction of a crucially important cause or policy without playing into the construct that if it don't bleed, it don't lead, and if it don't lead, who needs it?

      1. Chet Kincaid

        Thanks, Extemp.

        You know, I find it interesting that on the one hand, the cops are the big villains against OWS, but on the other hand, in places like Ohio, the realization that the rightwingers want to destroy them and their unions as much as any other public and private unions, has shown them the common cause they have with the 99%. Where the cops are taking action on that basis, real political results, at the state level, are happening.

        1. RavenRant

          NYPD officers should at least recognize that the folks denying medical care to first responders are the financial/insurance sector.

          And their pensions are in danger. I guess authoritarianism trumps all for some folk.

      2. sati_demise

        When you are battling with the richest entities ever known in world history-out Multinational Corporations- you absolutely need masses and masses of people.

        Power does not give up unless it is threatened, and will never give up until people demand justice. We are battling Exxon, Monsanto, Koch Bros, Goldmann Sachs, et al, the richest and most powerful entities on Earth.
        You have to put the fear of god into these corporations. And the politicians they buy.

        1. OneDollarJuana

          You know, Mitt Romney was correct, in a sense, "corporations are people, my friend", in that the multinational corporations we are fighting are actually just a few CEO's, Board of Directors, the better-paid Middle Management, and the forces they can muster out of fear (fear of loss of income). These days the vast majority of employees are insecure in their futures with the Multinationals, and when they are convinced that there is little to lose by fighting for a better future, the size of our opponents shrinks dramatically.

          When most of the police and military in Egypt refused to take action against the population, the jig was up for the ruling elite.

    5. RadiosTyrone

      Let's not ever forget the Rally to Restore Sanity. I was there, and it was cry from the people I think we all are. Again, largely ignored by the MSM.

      1. MzNicky

        Hey, I was there too! Where were you? We were over on the right side, about 100 feet from the third jumbo-tron. We had a great view of Stephen Colbert's eyebrow.

        1. finallyhappy

          me too but it was so crowded- I could hardly see any Jumbotrons- so we walked down 4th and saw the pirate ship and ate lunch.

    6. fishskicanoe

      They've raised the question for the first time in decades, "Is capitalism working? And if it isn't, what will work better?".

      I think its up to everyone else to answer those questions, not just them.

    7. sati_demise

      The problem is globalization. One of the founders of OWS is an ex-derivatives trader who studied models for banks to invest, etc. )he is from a family that escaped the Russian gulags)
      He looked at the models for globalization- which was supposed to improve life for everyone- and decided that, while it may be good in theory, in practice the Multinational Corporations screwed up the model. Everything would get worse for everyone except the top 1%.

      So he quit working on derivatives and devoted his life to this movement. He has the website Global Revolution . So, that is the goal. To end the domination of Multinational Corporations in the economy and in politics. I agree with him.

      1. RavenRant

        A 'globally competitive wage' sounds kind of cool until you realize you're competing with an imprisoned political prisoner in China working as a slave.

        1. sati_demise

          Changing our trade treaties is the only way to ameliorate this.

          And the currency wars have to be sorted out. and a few other things.


        1. RavenRant

          I'm fairly certain he couldn't find labia with a map, a flashlight, and a fistful of dead presidents.

          There aren't enough whore diamonds in the world.

  38. Plowmon

    Heh, heh, pretty funny to see the college crowd all puffed up about being roughed up the cops. Ya'll come on out here to the sticks and try on getting your vehicle ransacked because the dog looked up at his handler, chickenshit 'officer discretion' busts cause Barney just doesn't like you and municipal court judges that have never seen a charge that was questionable… Plea? Cut a deal? They'll laugh in your face if they know you don't have the money to appeal ($1500-2000 for a fucking TRAFFIC OFFENSE), just plead guilty you po' ass cracker/nigger/spick motherfucker, pay the fine, look at the ground and say "Yes SIR and no SIR!' when you see the fuckin' lawdog…

  39. Come here a minute

    That image is very disturbing. I wish you’d have chosen something else. I realize that it’s a shameful part of American history that we should never forget, but it’s too much.

  40. datateday

    On the first right picture underneath the video, it looks like … they've got him. R.I.P. protester. Wonkette will snark in your honor.

    I like this set of pictures better than the boring New York demonstration. People getting sprayed in the face with shit, cops reading their precious cue cards, protestors trying to bow to Mecca but being religiously persecuted, the Ross Brigade, somebody defending themselves with a laserbeam from her mouth, and cops just doing it Old School, more pics like these and less like the yawn-fest you last delivered recently, Wonkette.

  41. Plowmon

    The guy with his kid in his arms really needs to wake up to the danger the cops represent to the child, both physically and legally. If they go off on you and the kid is hurt they'll make sure social services takes your child in a classic CYA move. If the kid isn't hurt they may decide to make sure social services takes your child to make an example out of you, don't be naive. Oh, yeah, if something happened you thought you'd just explain to the judge what really went down. Good luck with that, hope you've got a LOT of money to throw at the problem while your kid has disappeared into the system…

    1. sati_demise

      Oh, its been there since 9-11. We just havent seen them in action yet, but, now we know!
      This is what happens when you have a militarized police in a western nation.

      1. An_Outhouse

        This is what happens when you train a bunch of people to kill then have no other job for them when they come home from the foreign wars. I hope these are the children of the scaredy cats who think we need this to 'keep us free'. Freedom isn't free – in exchange your kid gets to be assaulted by the plutocrats' military police you fuckety fucking fat middle aged bed wetter.

  42. KathrynSane

    But seriously, I cried watching videos from UC Davis. I don't understand how someone could do that to other human beings.

  43. Negropolis

    What has happened to Anonymous in all of this? I want them to find out that cops name just like they found out public employee Tony Bologna's name. To me, that's an appropriate, non-violent punishment for the thugs who do this stuff on our dime.

      1. Plowmon

        You've probably just violated the Patriot Act or one of our other police-state regulations, 'conspiracy to harass or intimidate law enforcement'…

  44. OneDollarJuana

    But we do get "bread". We get extraordinarily cheap electronic baubles as a result of unfair trade agreements. We get amazingly cheap, almost free if you think about it, fast food thanks to corporate farm subsidies, We get all the brain candy our shriveled minds can consume served up in 500 channels. Not to mention the vast quantities of mind-numbing drugs that are passed out like candy, even if you don't have insurance (just visit the ER for anything, they practically force you to take two weeks worth of oxycontin).

  45. Negropolis

    Did you all here the good news? The Super Committee is coming to the rescue! What's that; they aren't the the 9%-approved Congress will continue to stew in its own shit until it is officially dissolved?

    Scratch that. The Occupiers know the deal; they know the score; they know that the jig is up.

    Honestly, I said this in another thread, but I want these mayors to look at Detroit for their future. It was just announced, yesterday, that to try to head-off insolvency, the city will be cutting AT LEAST 1,000 jobs in the poorest major city in the nation, including an already beseiged police force. In fact, 16 officers walked off the job at the end of the day, yesterday, in protest. Apart from that, they are going to take another 10% pay cut, every city employee's pension and health care will be slahed to bits, and it's likely the city will be taken over by the state who will appoint a financial emergency manager who may completely try to stop payments to employee and retiree pensions (it's illegal under our constitution, but that won't matter), not even to mention that they may lay-off even more of them and taxes will be probably unilaterally raised.

    This is your future, law enforcement. These police need to know that they are next. Fuckers, you are the 99%, too. You better realize this now before you realize it when you don't have a job left and when no one will sympathize with you. Stop the violence. Wake the fuck up, why don't you? The future is not some distant object; the future is right here, right now. There is still time to be a hero, but that time is now. Get with it, if even for nothing more than self-preservation and self-interest.

  46. smokewon

    Pay attention to their tactics and remember them well. I am a Wonkette stalker as I am in love with you all. If I swung both ways, I'd, well, never mind…We are all UC Davis students from the point of the video on…

  47. RadiosTyrone

    This was the lead story on ABC News tonight (Radio, of course). I suppose that is good thing. As I mentioned upthread, we can fully expect Ailes to further, if that's possible, attack. But, maybe, the slight majority in this country that is reasonable *optimism* will look at this for what it is. Just look at that imagery. Lt. Pike is a brutal, criminal, sadist.
    Der Chancellor Katehi comes off as a dopey Arianna Huffington, and worse El Capitan Souza was very defensive saying the cops were surrounded — yeah right.
    Thanks for your service, stupid, see you later.

  48. Barb

    This is what Newt had to say about these folks today:
    Gingrich said at the Thanksgiving Family Forum in Iowa, as noted by Igor Volsky at ThinkProgress. "They take over a public park they didn't pay for, to go nearby to use bathrooms they didn't pay for, to beg for food from places they don't want to pay for, to obstruct those who are going to work to pay the taxes to sustain the bathrooms and to sustain the park, so they can self-righteously explain they are the paragons of virtue to which we owe everything."

    "That is a pretty good symptom of how much the left has collapsed as a moral system in this country, and why you need to reassert something by saying to them, 'Go get a job right after you take a bath,'" continued Gingrich, to loud applause from the audience.
    I'd like to see Newt get pepper sprayed.

      1. RadiosTyrone

        He took over a Speaker of the House post he didn't pay for, got to use the gold-fauceted congressional bathrooms he didn't pay for, free food from the House dining room and lobbyists spending accounts, obstructing those who actually work to pay the taxes to sustain the bathrooms and the government teat, so he can self-righteously explain he is the paragon of virtue to which we owe everything.
        Oh yeah, he attacked the President for getting a blow-job, all the while he was getting a blow-job from a skeletal blond bimbo who writes right wing children's books.
        /fixed, sort of.

    1. flamingpdog

      I think Newt has already been pepper-sprayed a few times – in each ear. Somebody needs to fire a pepper-spray-enhanced, predator drone dildo up his fat ass.

    2. An_Outhouse

      I'm pretty sure his mother was pepper sprayed while she was carrying him. It was right after she drank a quart of vodka daily, and fired up a nice big rock.

  49. OneDollarJuana

    "Annette Spicuzza, chief of campus police, said officers in riot gear were unable to get out after they were encircled." (CNN)

    Funny, I watched the videos, and I saw that the police had firearms. The students had iPhones. Sorry, but I don't think there's any app that would have prevented the cops from leaving the scene. Clearly, they could have (and did) just walk out of the circle of students, but the wider circle of public opinion might be a bit harder to escape.

    1. OneDollarJuana

      Watch the video of Chancellor Katehi walking out to her car in the silent crowd. Then ask yourself who's on her own now.

    1. memzilla

      This was wonderful. It was like her thoughts were following her in a cartoon ballon: "S**t. I've lost my job. S**t. There goes my job. S**t. They're gonna fire me from my job. S**t. Nobody's gonna recommend me for my next job. S**t."

      1. sati_demise

        From twitter:

        If she can't look her own students in the eye & needs a 3 hr "peace treaty" to walk 100 ft on her campus, she CANNOT govern it.

        1. Negropolis

          Also, it's really hard to look her in the eye when they are so swollen with pepper spray you can't see out of them. also.

    2. Mojopo

      Powerful. You hear that? That is the power of silence and civil disobedience. They don't have anything like we've got.

    3. Negropolis

      Best. Perp-walk. Ever.That is many shades of awesome, even more powerful than shouting "shame!" at her.

      1. Jukesgrrl

        I agree totally. That was breathtaking. Yelling would have been expected. Those students certainly know how to play to a camera. I wouldn't have had the brains to think of that as a visual representation that the riot-geared cops had nothing to fear from the students. They made their point brilliantly.

    4. RavenRant

      From the article, she was apparently trying to pretend the students were holding her hostage in the building, when she was really just too gutless to face them.

      These college kids are pretty smart. Wonder who taught them strategy.

  50. user-of-owls

    You'll all be heartened to know that the gentle souls over at Redstate are anguished over this:

    UC Davis Chancellor Linda Katehi described the video images as "chilling" Yeah a real holocaust moment. sheesh.

    I rather see them taking a boot or two…the bruises will make them remember longer.

    Standard procedure. What would they rather have? Some officer slashed with a razor by one of these slobs?

    Just a guess but I’m betting they smelled better afterwards than before…;-)

    as someone else pointed out today,, they were sprayed with a vegetable mist, ,,,,the horror.

    Give me a break. They used Pepper Spray. If they had used bullets, you might have a point Chancellor.

    1. RavenRant

      And any of the chickenhawks at Red State would have pissed down their leg in the first ten seconds before running and crying for mama.

      Bold Sir Erich.

    2. RadiosTyrone

      A "vegetable mist," really? Enhanced interrogation, job creators, the death tax, teleprompter dependent, trickle down, ETC. Fuck these mother fucking fuckity fucks.
      I can see all these chickenhawks defending the Kent State National Guard too. They were just defending themselves, they were hot and tired, someone gave the order to shoot and they were bravely doing their duty, they "forgot" to load with rubber bullets, the anti-war protestors were piss smelling, pot smoking, unemployed, rapist, Alinskyite, anti-capitalist, communist, anarchist, Democratic endorsed, anti-semite, union thug, uncivilized, violent, jealous of success, spoiled, job killing, parasites who deserved every "high velocity metal" they got.

      1. flamingpdog

        After reading that, I just realized how much more depressed I would have been if there had been teh internetz in 1970 …

        1. MzNicky

          You know what? I bet if the Internet had existed in 1970 there wouldn't have been a Kent State incident. Anything that happens in public now can be spread all over the globe within seconds. That may tend to put some people on their best behavior.

          1. Jukesgrrl

            I've been thinking about the Internet in that way a lot in the past few days. I was on the street in a student protest in Pennsylvania at the exact moment the shooting occurred at Kent State. Hours went by before we knew about it. While the Internet certainly might put some people on better behavior, when they fail to restrain themselves who knows what will result from the immediacy of the news. Had the hundreds I was with been able to see right then what was going on one state away, I have no doubt our peaceful protest would have turned into an instant riot.

      2. RavenRant

        Well, their conservative heroes were all against the civil rights movement, smeared MLK, those murdered civil rights workers were 'outside agitators', it was all a communist plot, etc., etc.

    3. Negropolis

      When it comes to #OWS, I don't read the other side's bullshit at all. I will not let them occupy even a miligram of my grey matter.

      The motherfuckers are mad because they have competition, and because all their corporate-funded movement could do was get some sociopaths elected who ground government to a halt, but who still haven't been able to strike a fatal blow against the president's re-election chances, which has been their real main goal from the start. The tea party isn't about policy, not foremost, anyway. Their main goal remains yet unaccomplished, shout and scream as they might. Not that it can't happen, but look just how much pure and utter hate they are going to have to generate and expend to get that man out of the White House.

      Fuck 'em.

    4. imissopus

      Ha ha, a vegetable mist! Doesn't Michelle O want everyone to eat their veggies? And they're all hippie vegans anyway! Stupid crybaby hippies!

      Man, if a cop had sprayed some douchebag carrying a gun at a healthcare protest, these douchebags would be demanding Obama's impeachment.

  51. sati_demise

    Interview of student who was sprayed. The tents had been removed by the time of the pepper spraying. That cop is a fucking liar.
    The fact that there was no medical care, the bystanders helped them first, then the EMTs.

    The Chancellor has not contacted any of the students, or their parents, harmed by the police.

  52. sati_demise

    Occupy Movement now has an amendment named after it:

    In one of the greatest signs yet that the 99 Percenters are having an impact, Rep. Ted Deutch (D-FL), a member of the House Judiciary Committee, today introduced an amendment that would ban corporate money in politics and end corporate personhood once and for all.
    Deutch’s amendment, called the Outlawing Corporate Cash Undermining the Public Interest in our Elections and Democracy (OCCUPIED) Amendment, would overturn the Citizens United decision, re-establishing the right of Congress and the states to regulate campaign finance laws, and to effectively outlaw the ability of for-profit corporations to contribute to campaign spending.

    come on, this is funny, right?

    1. KeepFnThatChicken

      Robert Newman, the British comedian, says that "dissolution of the corporations is the sine qua non of democracy." I am now inclined to believe him.

    2. Jukesgrrl

      I'm sure they think it's hilarious over at FOX but they have a habit of seeing humor where there is none. It IS a spectacular bit of pandering but, hey, the guy needs all the publicity he can get for a bill that even his leadership will ignore. The media keep complaining the Occupy Movement has no leaders and no state objectives. I can't fault someone from trying to fill the void.

  53. sati_demise

    And hey, anyone want to go to the 24 hour drum circle at Mayor Bloombergs house?

    Tomorrow. Be there or be square.

    ‎"Word on the street is that Bloomberg loves hippies. So now, finally, a drum circle you don't have to be high to enjoy: this Sunday at 2pm, for 24 hours, bring the love to Mayor Bloomberg's personal townhouse: 17 East 79th Street.

    Tie-dye, didgeridoo, hackeysack welcome! No shirt, no shoes, no problem! And if you don't have talent, don't worry: FREE DRUM LESSONS offered! Also on offer: collaborative drumming with the police!

    Even though this is a 24-hour drum circle, don't be late! The mayor loves evictions. Who knows what'll happen? But no matter how long it lasts, there'll be an afterparty and love-in in world-famous Central Park just next door."

      1. Chichikovovich

        Schröder? Kohl? Schmidt? Scheel? Brandt? Keisinger? Erhart? Adenauer? von Krosigk? …..
        This one's too hard. I give up.

    1. flamingpdog

      Robert Gates?

      OK, he will be a chancellor. He's replacing unindicted Presidential election thief Sandra Day O'Connor, who herself replaced unindicted war criminal Henry Kissinger as chancellor. And the ol' alma mater wonders why I never respond to their entreaties for money …

  54. El Pinche

    I'll make up with Barry if he sends in SEAL team 6 to take care of Lt. Pike. …with harsh words and some scolding.

    1. RadiosTyrone

      A slap on his pepper spraying, fapping wrist…with a machete — or better yet, a rusty chainsaw. Sharia, Talmudic, Karmic, Constitutional, whatever law, this fucking sadist must pay.

      1. Jukesgrrl

        Fire him and take away his pension. Hit him where it REALLY hurts. If he doesn't see now that his union-protected ass is part of the 99%, maybe he'll get it when he's penniless.

          1. RavenRant

            Let's not seek to emulate the Bush regime, please.

            I don't want to raise the bar too high, just this high: We're better than Ted Bundy, the BTK Killer, Ed Gein, that freak in Austria who kept his daughter and her children in the basement for 20 years… And, oh, yeah. We're better than the Bush regime.

            Aren't we?

          2. RavenRant

            As the comic books of my youth said, "Aaaaiiiieeeeeeh!!!!"

            Let's get you on an enhanced interrogation team ASAP.

            (I think that Rebecca Black's 'Friday' or being forced to watch Nancy Grace 'dance' could also qualify as torture robust interrogation techniques.)

    1. Chichikovovich

      I wouldn't have thought it could get worse – but there it is. The guy has emptied the goddamned can! Shakes it a couple of times to make sure. And he waves in a dozen more armoured, faceguarded pals shaking up their spraycans and holding truncheons high.

      These are campus police. Whose principal obligation is the protection of the students on campus. Including the ones they've been manhandling. In flagrant violation of every police protocol I've been able to find for the proper use of pepper spray.

      1. Jukesgrrl

        The calls for the Chancellor's resignation and the firing of these sadists should be led by UC parents. I would proudly be a ring-leader if I had a kid there.

  55. fartknocker

    As a Wonkette regular I worked over 27 years in liberal Austin as a firefighter and retired as a Battalion Chief, which means I had about 6 fire stations and the men and women under my command. We worked with police officers every day and I had and still do have the highest respect for them. With that said, I awoke 30 minutes ago because my body wanted to worry about something else so in idle time, I checked on Wonkette. The first words out of my mouth were "Fuck Me. Really?" Has it really come to this? I got a pension and I have a successful business in fire protection because of my government backed school loans which I paid for on time and in advance. I did that because I understood others needed that money. Now we got police officers pepper spraying young Americans. First, this is fucked up. And I mean this from a professional perspective. Secondly, and more important, when did law enforcement shift from being peace officers to professional goons? This guy is nothing more than a fucking gym teacher with a gun. Thanksgiving begins this week. My family is showing up at my house. How many OWS protesters are pending this American holiday in a trauma ward?

    1. RavenRant

      All I can say is, please speak out, loudly and often. With your stature and experience, you can counter the fabricated narrative that only dirty hippies care about this, that all good, law abiding folk take whatever these so-called peace officers dish out and like it, that nobody gets hurt by police unless they're 'asking for it.'

      That's pretty much the dominant narrative about everything these days: nobody gets hurt unless they're asking for it, women children, workers, the unemployed, the working poor, the elderly. If you're not a multimillionaire, it's your fault and your life and your skills are worthless. Sadly, i don't think I'm even exaggerating. Wish I was.

    2. ShitFilledExistence

      You are a stellar example of what it means to provide and be of public service– to actually protect and serve… It warms my heart to know that there are people like you around that still give a shit! Thank you for your service, honesty and integrity.

      1. Jukesgrrl

        And, please, DO share your outrage publicly. If people with stories like yours speak up, it makes it so much harder for the Murdochs and Kochs of the world to pretend the protesters are merely troublemakers exercising faux outrage. They pretend the polls showing public support for OWS are meaningless. They need their noses rubbed in the general outrage over this incident and others like it across the country.

  56. Negropolis

    They're baaaack:

    OAKLAND (Reuters) – Anti-Wall Street protesters took over a vacant lot and adjacent park in downtown Oakland on Saturday and erected a tent camp to replace one torn down by police, setting the stage for a potential showdown.

    Protesters marched to the lot and tore down a chain-link fence before pitching tents as a light rain started. Police on the scene did not immediately intervene, and the camp later expanded into an adjacent public park.

    "Occupy Oakland has a new home at 19th and Telegraph," organizers said in a message to supporters, adding there would be a big "housewarming" party. "Bring tents!"

    The move appeared to be a direct challenge to Oakland police who less than a week ago forcibly dismantled a similar protest camp nearby, and risked igniting a confrontation. Police have said they would not allow another encampment

    Mayor Jeanquan then reiterates her bullshit stance about camping in parks being illegal, which I'm really getting tired of hearing. Everyone knows these municipals laws for campaiging in incorporated municipalities was enacted at a time when you had dozens of rural folks moving to city every single day and the city not having housing for them. These so-called Democratic mayors all over the country are using antiquated city ordinances, because they don't want to seeing Dirty Fucking Hippies in a park in their cities. If you didn't know any better, you'd think some menacing malcontents had taken over every single piece of greenspace in every single American city. Occupiers ask for one fucking tiny piece of parkland for demostrations in their city, and the mayors go ape-shit. Give me a break.

    1. Callyson

      I hope they do come back, but from the LA Times:
      :Hours after Occupy Oakland protesters attempted to set up a new campsite, police moved in Sunday morning to clear the encampment.
      Almost a week after being evicted from Frank H. Ogawa Plaza in downtown Oakland, which they had occupied for five weeks, protesters set up camp Saturday night in a vacant lot at 19th Street and Telegraph Avenue.
      But police in riot gear moved in shortly after 8 a.m. Sunday and ordered the group to leave."
      Yeah–because their presence in a vacant lot is a real problem for the city. Your tax dollars at work…

  57. sati_demise

    And hey, here is the real connection of the national police state with Homeland Security:

    Chuck Wexler, head of group that coordinated police crackdown on #Occupy , serves on Dept of Homeland Security council

    Chuckie boy!

  58. Terry

    "Up the I-5 in Portland, the stereotypical Brooklyn of the Pacific Northwest"

    Just a side note. Portland, Oregon, was funky and fun long before the hipsters discovered Brooklyn.

  59. qwerty42

    Commentary from Sullivan: Police Abuse on Parade:
    "Whatever it is on the campus at UC Davis, it is not a democracy. It's a police state. For helmeted cops to be openly pepper-spraying unarmed peacefully demonstrating students at a fucking campus is not American. The over-reaction, the lack of professionalism, the random sadism of this boggles the mind…."

    More from mistermix at Balloon Juice.

    And Max Read, at Gawker.

  60. schvitzatura

    All student educational resource units will be taken into custody at a minimal monetary expenditure. Total operation cost: six thousand credits under budget. Congratulations. Be efficient, be happy.

  61. schvitzatura

    Let us be thankful we have an occupation to fill. Work hard, increase production, prevent accidents and be happy.

  62. weejee

    'Zactly. And moving the locus about is helpful to the small businesses who might have to lay someone off cause the OWS at their location weeks-on-end adversely impacts bidness. Not all downtown retailers are of Old Navy & Nordstrom scale.

  63. Neilist_Returns


    Believe it or not, for once I SHARE the HIGH MORAL OUTRAGE of you Communist Liberal Pinko SKum!!!!!

    I took one look at that first picture, and I was appalled. APPALLED, I tell you!!

    The Very Idea of using pepper spray on someone wearing a pair of those L.L. Bean gumshoes.


    We all know that those kinds of people should be SHOT!!!!


    Wonkette's La Passionaria Endowed Chair of Communism & Cap Guns
    University of Sitting Ducks
    Disarmed Liberalville, USA

    1. Sharkey

      Man, you sound almost as bad as me on a bad day. Please proceed. Oh, and throw in some stuff about religion and abortions too, that'll make Kirsten happy!

      1. Neilist_Returns

        "Miracles happen every day."

        Well, sure.

        Particular when one is on drugs.

        On the other hand: "Pay your respects to the Gods and Buddhas, but never rely on them." Miyamoto Musashi.

        [Hey, that reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw on the back of a peasant trudging down the Tokaido Road the other day:


        [Well, okay. Substitute "Wakko" for "Outlaws." Or even "Ronin." Whatever.]

          1. Neilist_Returns

            Why, oh, why, pray tell, do I suspect that the Phoenix POO-lice would be a mite — just a mite — less quick to pepper spray ol' JT and his buddies?

            Probably because of politics. Right. That must be it. Politics.

            Hey, what's the difference between an unarmed liberal and a dead skunk on the highway?

            There are skid marks in front of the dead skunk . . . .





  64. proudgrampa

    Well, I'd say this is the beginning of the end.

    Of Pike's career, if nothing else.

    I'm surprised UC Davis even hired Nazi stormtroopers like this asshole. Davis used to be such a nice place to live.

    1. Neilist_Returns

      Your naivete is sooooooo cute.

      The end of Pike's career.



      BYW: Anyone seen Tom Joad recently? Or did the cops/goons just dump his body in a ditch?

        1. Neilist_Returns

          PAID leave. After which vacation, nothing will happen.

          [Remember the Big Investigation and multiple criminal charges that were filed after Kent State? The courts martial and all the convictions?

          Oh, wait a minute. There weren't any.]

          The pepper spraying was in compliance with FBI approved crowd control techniques. The only "violation" was the usual one: "Thou Shall Not Maketh Bad Press."

          And if the UC system is stupid enough to take any disciplinary action against that hard working, heroic police officer defending public safety, property and order against the mob — well, let me file the lawsuit. Nothing wrong with both of us getting rich.

          ["Justice." Sometimes you people are hysterically funny.]

          Neilist, Esq.
          Rant, Cynicism & Pessimism, LLP
          "Serving The Monied Classes — As Do All Good Lawyers"
          [Someone shut Dick The Butcher UP. He's as bad as these OWS swine.]

  65. LiveToServeYa

    "We preach freedom around the world, and we mean it, and we cherish our freedom here at home, but are we to say to the world, and much more importantly, to each other that this is the land of the free except for the Negroes poor; that we have no second-class citizens except Negroes the non-wealthy; that we have no class or caste system, no ghettoes, no master race except with respect to Negroes the unemployed? Now the time has come for this Nation to fulfill its promise. The events in Birmingham across the United States and elsewhere the world have so increased the cries for equality that no city or State or legislative body can prudently choose to ignore them."
    -President Barrack H. Obama John F. Kennedy

    1. BerkeleyBear

      I love the detail that the ever enterprising Cal students' 3rd effort was to put the tents back, but held slightly off the ground with balloons so they could claim they aren't "camping". Don't think it would fly legally, but that's okay – making an absurd gesture in response to an absurd attitude by the administration seems about right.

    2. Dudleydidwrong

      Thanks for posting that. I stopped reading The NYT when they started charging for reading all the news that they, in a fit, will print. I'm glad they printed Haas's essay; maybe it'll help spread the spark that ignites the fire.

      "All that the poet can do is warn." — Wilfred Owen

    1. Negropolis

      I am gonna skull fuck the corpse of your mother, just as soon as I dig her up.. If America had Death Camps, I'd gas every last one of you liberal scum!!!

      Stay kkklasy, motherfucker. A man that could make Hitler blush with his language, he is.

      Reading some of the comments, though, it almost seems like an art project.

    2. El Pinche

      The rage-oholic owner of the facebook page ain't doing that swollen pustule Pike any favors with the insults and silly threats. Smells fishy.

    1. Jukesgrrl

      On my college campus the fraternities "organized" in support of the police that were donning riot gear in response to peaceful protests (by the hippies who were "dirty" back then, too) of the draft and the war in Vietnam. (I don't know what they did — give them free donuts and cigars?) I guess this is today's version.

    1. Jukesgrrl

      He looks like he should be friends with Haley Barbour, the governor who thinks the integration of Mississippi was all fun and games and finished in an hour.

  66. SilverTsunami

    Snark Off: The Davis law enforcement officers were university police. I think the Chancellor will end up resigning over this–as well she should–and I am awestruck by the discipline and moral authority of these students. There is some later footage on boingboing of the student forming a double row, cross-legged and silent, as a chastened Chancellor walks to her car.

    1. Sharkey

      If they can manage to keep that type of thing up for a while, it WILL actually work. Because what happened was WRONG and she knows it. (Please note I am DC based and have never lived in the west.)

    2. finallyhappy

      The person at the top – along with a number of others is responsible- she needs to quit or be fired- just like Penn state

  67. Sharkey

    OK, you know what I want? I want Obama to make a speech about this. Not the same "I know people are dissatisfied" speech. Something more along the lines of "I am ashamed that this happened." I could actually write the whole fucking speech. Call me bro, you have my number, I worked for you.

    1. Jukesgrrl

      He could just resurrect the lectures he gave the governments of Egypt, Libya, and Syria. He told them repeatedly they had no right to interfere with the "universal rights" of mankind. Ha ha.

    2. V572625694

      I'll help too. I know you know where I live, Barry, as you keep sending me prayer cards with your picture on them.

    1. weejee

      Is Lt. Pike, and his fellow pepper sprayer, the problem(s) or a symptom of a larger issue of morphing local police response to protest to an inadequately trained paramilitary operation with clearly significant command and control issues (e.g., the white-shirted commander pepper spraying those corralled women)?

      LiveToServe, your Newzweak/AP link appears to me to contain a few whiffs of cover-up by UC Davis chancellor Linda Katehi. In recent days more than a few former senior police officers discussed the issue of police excessive response to civil, and do mean civil, protest, and they clearly state that para-militarized response is typically not appropriate.

      1. Jukesgrrl

        I'm not one to indulge in conspiracy theories but you'll never convince me these para-military attacks that are occurring nationwide are not being coordinated by some unit of the Federal government. All these local police forces from New York to California did not show up with identical marching orders by accident.

        1. weejee

          And not saying to give Pike, and the other pepper sprayers a pass while saying these too similar police reaction policies need some serious pitchforking.

        2. OneDollarJuana

          Department of Homeland Security. Bush didn't give the dept. a fascist name for nuthin'. Every country that calls itself "fatherland", "motherland", "homeland", etc., winds up in some kind of dictatorial, authoritarian crisis sooner or later.

      1. Biel_ze_Bubba

        a.k.a. "paid vacation". I'm sure it's very upsetting to them, not being able cause pain to anybody. (Pity their dogs, wives, and kids.)

  68. deleted7515412

    Damn if some of those pictures aren't like the scene when I was knee high to a grasshopper and King and Kennedy were assassinated.

    I still don't like cops. I wonder if the little peanut on dad's lap will grow up with an inexplicable distrust or loathing of men in uniforms and wonder why.

    Anyone else had all the change they can handle, yet?

    1. flamingpdog

      I salute Preznit Obama's "bright spot". I hope, somewhat doubtfully, for a thousand bright spots of light from the Oval Office.

  69. proudgrampa

    President Obama: Where is the outrage?

    Just seems to me that it would be OK to show some level of dismay similar to this:

    "The United States opposes the use of violence against peaceful protesters in Syria, and we support the universal rights of the Syrian people. We have imposed sanctions on President Assad and his government. " — President Obama, 8/18/2011

    Sanctions on campus police would be nice.

  70. Schmegeg

    Seriously, do these demonstrators have family? And if so, doesn't fatboy need his ass kicked with extreme prejudice?

    1. V572625694

      At an emotional level, yes. But it would be politically smarter to address him with dignity and try to teach him to do his job with decency and respect for the citizens. If re-education doesn't work, Neilist can probably hook us up with some guns.

    2. Rotundo_

      No, termination on these grounds should be a pretty good slap. If people go around using the same techniques to address something like this that were used against the victims, it puts the movement on the level of the opressive shit they are fighting. Termination of the good officers and their supervisors and the chancellor should send a nice lightning bolt down a few heavy handed college admins. I don't know if anything will be able to address the militarization and corruption of the law enforcement in general though. That horse bolted out of the barn shortly after 9/11

      1. Schmegeg

        I suppose I would agree with this. If the victim was mine, I would be pretty well ready to fix it in the street, but after reflection a multi-million dollar settlement against all the parties would have to do.

  71. Chet Kincaid

    OK, so I asked yesterday what the goals of OWS are. You guys posted a lot of responses, mainly what you believe the goals should be, not necessarily what OWS organizers are saying. These ranged from the simple and pointed (raise taxes on the rich) to the vague and idealistic (fight global corporations). In the middle were detailed bullet points of economic and political reforms that read like the platforms of a political party. None of these things seem to me to be the kind of outcome that would result from the protests alone.

    And until somebody can show how it would work at a tactical level nationwide, the idea that OWS protests are going to overthrow the government Egypt-style is a pipe-dream. The only thing analogous to the Arab Spring over here would be if massive protests by the majority of people from all socio-economic strata led to the overthrow of ONE state government, and I don't believe ordinary middle class Americans are capable of that kind of disobedience in mass numbers. We are comparing cherry tomatoes to watermelons.

    So where do we go from here?

    1. flamingpdog

      the idea that OWS protests are going to overthrow the government Egypt-style is a pipe-dream.

      And whose idea is that, exactly? Please point out where anyone has said the OWS protests are going to overthrow the government Egypt-style. Otherwise, I'd prefer straw-man arguments be restricted to reruns of "The Wizard of Oz".

      1. Chet Kincaid

        In the thread I started, OneDollarJuana said: "When most of the police and military in Egypt refused to take action against the population, the jig was up for the ruling elite."

        The About page of says, "The movement is inspired by popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia, and aims to expose how the richest 1% of people are writing the rules of an unfair global economy that is foreclosing on our future."

        So in my opinion, it's reasonable to discuss the Arab Spring as a realistic model for OWS.

        1. flamingpdog

          With all due respect, the quote claimed the movement is inspired by the popular uprising in Egypt and Tunisia – no claim that it will act to overthrow the government of the United States. Try again.

          And Ken was ranting, and snarking. If you really want to have a reasoned discussion rather than the typical Wonkette snarkfest, as you claim, then the you need to start with valid assumptions.

          As far as going from here, we can simply continue doing what progressives/liberals have been doing – send letters to their public officials, send letters to the editor, vote, get out the vote, donate our hard-earned Ameros to real progressive candidates and progressive political organizations of your choice. I vote for the Dems here in the square state because the alternatives have been horrific, (and I'll almost certainly vote for Barry in 2012, for the same reason) but I give my money to Bernie Sanders, not the two DLC senators representing the square state. There's no need for a new plan.

          The principal reason the sociopaths on Wall Street and their toadies in Congress and the White House continue to control things to the degree they do is because people are ignorant and confused, and lack inspired leadership (save for a few, like Bernie). Occupy Wall Street doesn't have to solve our problems. They can and are awakening the ignorant and the uninspired, which can only be for the good.

          1. Chet Kincaid

            It seems like a lot of folks here are having a reasoned discussion, some in response to me and my bullshit, even! Clearly, you don't like my comments, having kicked off our "dialog" with some flip dismissal about Democratic Underground. So I invite you to pay no attention to anything I have to say here, instead of pretending respect. You'll feel better.

          2. flamingpdog

            I feel fine. The flip comment was about the kind of people who post at Democratic Underground vs. the kind of people who post at Wonkette, not about you. I invite you to pay no attention to anything I have to say here, at least until you stop feeling so persecuted here.

    2. Plowmon

      Where it'll go it most people will get tired and have to deal with life, the numbers will shrink until the press gets tired of covering it, end of story, though if some ugly shit goes down they'll try some folks Chicago Seven style. But the serious few will begin to 'act out' which, eventually, the powers that be will brand 'The New American Terrorism' or some such nonsense and, if we're not careful, we'll see a new round of anti-terror laws of a distinctly domestic flavor, broader police powers with various immunities, erosion of civil rights, etc., they're just looking for an excuse…

    3. Rotundo_

      I agree that they are about as focused as a fart, and I don't see them as accomplishing much more than bringing awareness of the problems of income inequality and corporate ownership of the government. That much being said, there is something to be said for making people aware of it. They surely didn't pay much attention to it during the last 30 years. If it wakes these idiots who worry much more about American Idol than their own future up, it has accomplished something. The redstate crowd and the third of this country too stupid and mentally ill to get it, never will, but I hope the rest of us do.

      1. Bluestatelibel

        I agree, OWS is increasing awareness, and that's huge. The Abolitionists didn't have a plan for ending slavery, but they did convince people how evil slavery is, just like OWS is waking up many Americans.

        1. Biel_ze_Bubba

          A large percentage of the public is indicating support and/or sympathy for OWS, and my bet is that politicians across the board are shocked at the numbers. The delivery of that wake-up call is a tremendous accomplishment.

    4. RadiosTyrone

      Chet, I'm glad you are revisiting this topic. It's important. I, too, like you was vaguely dissatisfied by OWS initially. For the same reasons you outlined: no goals, leaders, historical precedence, etc. But it was something. If nothing else an activism against the Right, the rich, the toadies, the Dems, the MSM, the teabaggers and all the other obstacles that stand between us and reason.
      Then one day I exchanged e-mails with a certain friend of ours who was on the ground floor of OWS. I hope he forgives me quoting from his text. But it was seminal in changing my expectations. I mentioned to him what I thought their agenda might include, and he responded:

      Here's where I stand on all that, though: I think the medium is the message. You know: the idea that a very diverse group of people can come together and have a dialog about the sad state of affairs. That in itself is a sort of demand, you know? Like "why can't we have a system that works more like this"? What I've seen, really, is just a dizzying range of people — everything from hardcore Soviet-praising communists to union workers to homeless people — coming together and caring about each other. Feeding each other. Listening to each other. You know, it's something that can't really be transmitted via twitter — and I think this is a very good thing.
      I mean, the fact that there isn't a specific demand, and yet people are still pouring in from all over really says something. I think people are starting to realize that this is no longer a left vs. right issue — it's up vs. down, you know? And also our country is becoming a massive, soul-crushing police state. That too.

      I was haunted by this observation. And the more I thought about it, the more I realized that we do need something completely new here. A change in paradigms, a change in scene, a change in style. Better to let this kid grow spontaneously then with our suppositions put upon it.
      There is no doubt the 1% is alarmed by OWS. Just look at their harried, pitiable response. If for nothing else, OWS was a success in showing the paranoia of the job creators. They no longer have religion to protect them, but now they've got media manipulation as the opiate of the masses.
      Think of the Rally for Sanity and Wisconsin earlier this year as the parents, and let this baby grow. A dynamic approach to needs and expectations.
      And, this.

        1. RadiosTyrone

          Fucking Canuckians. But hence my favorite MM quote:
          An administrator in a bureaucratic world is a man who can feel big by merging his non-entity in an abstraction. A real person in touch with real things inspires terror in him.

      1. Chet Kincaid

        Thanks for this, and the Taibbi article. When you bring up
        "Rally For Sanity" though, it's still a sore point for me. In my view, Stewart wasted his one shot at making an impact beyond comedy, and to make matters worse, scheduled the event a few days before an election that essentially gutted the "hope and change" all these people had voted for two year earlier. I'm sorry Jon, it was more important to tell people to vote than to assemble the multitudes so you could lecture your peers in the media!

        1. RadiosTyrone

          Thanks to you Chet for bringing up the points. I think Stewart soft shoed around the voting issue. And maybe he overemphasized the Föx v MSNBC contrast. That is total bullshit. Subtlety and sublimation and fear of the complexity are what they use against us.
          Nonetheless, I saw the plea that was evident from those 200,000K+ people who were there. We've got to have something, anything that reflects our frustration with the system and any hope of improvement. I've always been down with humor and reasoning. It's always better than faith and an infernal seamless bully-to-victim-bully and back again mentality.
          Don't worry, I'll vote for Barry again, in the hope that he gets over his understandable fear of OTP and kicks some fucking ass this time around.

          1. Biff

            Föx v MSNBC? I had some friends comparing Beck to Stewart, which is akin to contrasting Föx with Comedy Central.
            Notice my past tense use of "had". I just ain't got time to argue with 'em anymore…

        2. imissopus

          I almost posted that Taibbi article last night along with a long attempt of my own to answer you, but then I realized it was 2 A.M. and I'd had a few, so I went to sleep instead. I don't know, I can't come up with a coherent response. Maybe it's just going to have to be enough for now for people to recognize that there are a lot of like-minded folks out there, and this is where paradigm shifts start, and it will be a long time (years and years) before we see measurable changes.

          Also, I'm with you on the Arab Spring thing, people have compared the two in more than a "we were inspired by it" way. Which struck me as kind of silly.

    5. sati_demise

      We have "One State Government"..

      It is run by Multinational Corporations who buy our politicians with the highest bid.

      This has to end. We have to change this system.

    6. Puffperney

      Well reasoned. I find it hard to visualize "ordinary middle class Americans" exercising "disobedience in mass numbers". It may be that as more and more middle class Americans become former middle class Americans, then, we will see the streets fill. If that comes about I think we will look back and see OWS as a precursor, a tremor before the earthquake.

      We will see.

    7. LiveToServeYa

      If there were no OWS, with its scattered the message, then the angry voices would only be those of the Tea Party. And we wouldn't want that, now, would we?

  72. sbj1964

    The campus Cop who was spraying these students has been relieved of duty. These kids did not deserve this kind of treatment .They were just sitting there ! This is police state abuse ! These are our kids ! He ,and the people who told him that this is his mission need to be fired !

  73. starfanglednut

    Hey guys, how can I see all the 534 comments? I don't see nearly that many. Someone explained it to me once, it had something to do with javascript I think, but I forgot (old). Thanks!

    1. flamingpdog

      The aircraft are from excess US inventory.

      Sounds like Barry's just having a garage sale. Make more room in the garage for the new model year planes. Jerbs, people, jerbs!

  74. Negropolis

    Fire up the mighty Wurlitzer, security theater has returned! Bloomberg is (conveniently) about to do a press conference on a foiled terror plot. This is really getting sickening. I don't believe shit he, or any of the government departments, say anymore. Absolutely nothing. We'll probably find like the vast majority of the rest of these "plots" that the FBI was bugging someone to death to do this. Better yet, the guy is supposedly a hispanic Muslim. They can't make this shit up…except when they can.

    1. Negropolis

      More info: The dude is apparently from the Dominican Republican, so he might be a black, hispanic Muslim. Gawd. And, they showed a re-enactment of a car bomb and everything. Bloomberg is getting desperate as hell.

      P.S. Ray Kelly is a fuckin' moron. Really.

        1. RadiosTyrone

          O/T but Raven I was reading some of last nights comments and I noticed you use Safari and have a problem with the cache. I highly recommend Jumpcut 2 as a buffered clipboard. It's free and easy to use and makes my online life a lot more efficient. It's for OS X, but there is a comparable one for Lion. Check it out, check it out.

        2. Negropolis

          No, but he's definitely stupider than Kerik. And, being morally superior to Kerik leaves a lot of room on the other side of the spectrum. lol In other words, Kelly is still a stupid, evil moron.

    2. donner_froh

      Bloomberg and the rest of them aren't even trying to make it look good anymore. The FBI or NYPD set up "terrorist" cells, rope a few not to smart guys into it, arrest them and proclaim another victory in the War on Terror. They probably have sheets with the racial/ethnic characteristics of the dupes and grab the one who is best fits the current narrative.

      1. Biel_ze_Bubba

        I dunno about selecting the flavor of the month, but certainly there's a vast supply of antisocial goofballs who are easily suckered into building pipe bombs by police "investigators" who encourage their fantasies and conveniently supply the materials. Bloomie can order one up anytime he wants … looks like it was time to trot one out for the cameras.

    1. Negropolis

      Nah. They are kind of busy with Tahrir Square, again, at the moment. No, seriously; they are being shot in the streets, again.

  75. RadiosTyrone

    Well let's see how our "friends" in the liberal media covered this story in print today:
    Wapo, Page 6, UCDavis to Probe Pepper Spray Use…No pics.
    NYT's, page 24, UC Davis to Investigate Pepper-Spray Use….at least they had a pic.
    Do you think they want OWS to go away, or what?

        1. RadiosTyrone

          Srsly, let us rejoice. I think we have made it a whole week without the "you can't have a fishpicker from Texas," grifter post. Hallefuckinleuh. And, Ken, look at the page views of the present post. D, MF, D

    1. Negropolis

      Can't say I got the joke, but as for the original ad, it made me laugh out loud. I don't know who they think they are targeting with the message "don't sign the peition to save money that we'll then subsequently slash from the buget, anyway." I bet that'll play with most conservatives, who've essentially become sociopaths, but I don't see working with a majority of so-called independents. Someone needs to ask the Kleefisch what she'd do with that $7 million saved…

    2. horsedreamer_1

      I hope the NFL gets after Kleefisch for her unauthorized use & reproduction of NFL trademarks without express written consent of the Commissioner.

      … Oh, wait, the Ginger Hammer Goodell is the son of a GOP Senator from NY, & married to FOX News anchor — & one-time fellow Milwaukee newswoman, with Rebecca Kleefisch — Jane Skinner. So, I am sure he's down with it.

      1. flamingpdog

        Yeah, I can't say as I get the shaving cream either, but I couldn't find the original ad, at least not without expending moar than 20 seconds of effort.

    1. Jukesgrrl

      A VP and the Athletic Director at Penn State had their Chancellor's full confidence, too. A couple of Sundays ago. They were the greatest guys he's ever met and they'd never taken a false step in the 16 years he'd worked with them. They were gone Monday night if I remember correctly — along with the Chancellor.

    1. Biel_ze_Bubba

      To be fair, among a certain breed of cops, "can't pepper-spray anybody for a month" is considered a cruel punishment.

    2. Jukesgrrl

      If he's in a union (the ultimate irony since the people he's pepperspraying are presumably trying to save that right for him), it might be mandated. I'm fully in favor of him being fired. And if there's some way he could lose his pension, too, that would be fitting. (Then let's hear what he says about the need for Social Security.) I think the Chancellor should be fired, too.

  76. imissopus

    OT but Paul Begala has an editorial up at Newsweek about Gingrich and which candidate the GOP nuts might fall for next. The article's teaser asks, "What's next, the Santorum Surge?"

    Heh heh, a surge of Santorum. Frothy!

  77. bringmeanaxe

    Ken, this is one of the best Wonkette articles yet. I'd love to be naive and ask 'When did we become this country'? But the sad truth is, we've always been this country. All you have to do is scratch below the surface of our illusion of 'normal' to see the rot that lies beneath, and how much cruelty and violence we will engage in to keep it that way.

  78. Biel_ze_Bubba

    "Privatizing Social Security" = living like leeches, by bleeding off a percentage while pushing the money around and losing ground to simple market indexes.

    They're drooling at the thought of pocketing just a tiny percentage of a few trillion dollars.

  79. Barrelhse

    I can't seem to stay away from this story. Guardian UK as usual has great coverage.
    This whole incident is somehow very emotional for me, and I become very angry at the abuse of peaceful citizens at the hands of thugs and pigs. I found the "walk of shame" to be especially powerful, I hope it changed her life.

    1. not that Dewey

      I like that it came full-circle back to Kitty Cop. There's some, if not justice, at least completeness in that.

  80. sati_demise

    ‎"We saw the firm stance the US took against OWS people …"
    – anchor on
    Egyptian state television, justifying latest military crackdown
    that's killed at least 11 protestors so far

    You're Welcome, Egypt!
    Pennsylvania company Combined Tactical Systems manufactures tear gas
    and rubber bullets used by Egyptian government

  81. telecustom1972

    I'm sure there's a simple explanation for the mustachioed dudes use of mace, like compensation for the size of his miserable, little penis, perhaps?

  82. Guppy

    Br'er Rabbit crafts a memo, warning of "dire consequences" if thrown into the briar patch.

    Yes, I'm a cynical bastard, but this "leaked" memo sounds like "#OWS is winning (so you can just go home now)" and "We need the Republicans to win (so cling tightly to the Democrats)."

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