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With Nothing Better To Do, Congress Votes On Some Gun Stuff

He's probably already qualified to hold a concealed carry permit in Wyoming!

Happy newz everyone, the most-hated Congress in all of American history has finally Gotten The Message and started passing some exciting jerbs legisla– HA HA JUST KIDDING, ALWAYS KIDDING, FOREVER. No, the only issue that gets broad-based House support from 229 Republicans and 43 Democrats these days (besides their brave efforts to reaffirm “In God We Trust” as the national tagline) is passing legislation to guarantee the right of the yokel in Utah who buys hisself a concealed carry permit from the gun license vending machine at the corner gas station to bring his concealed weapon into any other state regardless of that state’s (potentially more strict) gun laws. Spread the fear, everyone!

BUT WHADDABOUT THE STATES’ RIGHTS??

From Politico:

The current bill’s sponsor, Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.), said he acknowledges critics’ concerns over states’ rights but said, “I think to a certain extent, the deterrent value and the feeling of self-defense … has to be recognized here.”

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That’s true, screw the states, exceptions have to be made. Fear is always the Most Important Right of All.

“I don’t think it’s a violation of states’ rights because it doesn’t repeal any right that a state has to have or not have its own laws,” said Rep. Charlie Bass (R-N.H.). “The fact is, we have a tradition in this country of upholding other states’ laws [and] allowing them to apply in other states.”

COUGH *DOMA* COUGH.

Meanwhile, we noticed the Drudge Report has a helpful tip today, for the gun nuts!

Cute. [The Hill/Politico]

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181 comments

  1. memzilla

    Obviously these Congress-O-Tards must have Concealed Carry Permits for their brains, because I'm not seeing any on public display here.

  2. Come here a minute

    New unemployment claims down — time to celebrate, "shootin' guns in the air" style. Pew! Pew! Pew!

  3. SorosBot

    "and the feeling of self-defense"

    Nice Freudian slip there; so even the NRA gun-nut Congressman (unintentionally, I assume) admits that guns are generally useless for self-defense but make the tiny-dicked feel safer.

      1. SorosBot

        Nah, they're against that; just look at this bit from Scalia's dissent from Lawrence v. Texas:

        "State laws against bigamy, same-sex marriage, adult incest, prostitution, masturbation, adultery, fornication, bestiality, and obscenity are likewise sustainable only in light of Bowers’ validation of laws based on moral choices. "

        Yes, apparently they believe states should actually be allowed to outlaw masturbation, along with "fornication" which is just people having sex that haven't been through a boring elaborate ceremony. That is how fucking insane conservatives are – they think the state should be able to say whether you can touch yourself.

    1. SexySmurf

      Maybe Washington State should pass a law requiring people packing heat to use separate (but equal) drinking fountains.

    2. Biel_ze_Bubba

      States' Rights are of paramount importance and will be respected at all costs, no matter how objectively insane they may be.

      The same state's lefts, on the other hand, are shit out of luck.

  4. Goonemeritus

    Our brave Congress has realized it’s impotence regarding the job market so they have focused on the next best thing. Without jobs our society will obviously devolve into a dystopian Mad Max shit hole so what will our citizens need most? The answer is obviously guns and something to trust, oh and ass chaps.

    1. SorosBot

      Hey they are trying to create jobs; more concealed handguns equals more drunken bar fights and domestic violence escalating into murder or manslaughter, and each instance takes at least two people out of competition for the local job market, therefore it's easier for the living, non-jailed people to get jobs!

      1. HedonismBot

        Exactly! We're just giving evolution a helping hand!
        We need more ways that stupid people can kill each other, but at a place and time in which others would not be harmed. For this reason, I support legalizing dueling. I also want to create a separate interstate highway system, where people can drive as fast as they damn well please and traffic laws do not apply, with the explicit understanding that they are driving at their own risk, and all drivers are free from liability.
        These ideas would create jobs, no? Or at least, thin the herd.

      2. Chichikovovich

        And just think of the jobs it will create, too! Ambulance Crews, ER Physicians, Surgeons, Embalmers, Wall Plasterers, …

        Edit: Maudit 'ostie! – too slow.

    1. BerkeleyBear

      Those guys really don't need much help – funerals (or as they prefer to call it, the "death-care industry") are a great scam if you can stand it – suggestive selling to weeping families + outdated regulations that justify ridiculously expensive materials = ka ching (just don't look too closely at the welds on the underside or the plastic tray that catches all drippings).

      Still, Congress keeps giving them help with shit like this, the faux veggies count stuff yesterday, trying to repeal the ACA, voucherizing Medicare/Medicaid/VA benefits and anything else that might keep you alive one second longer than is convenient. Better go get some Batesville Casket stock (or, if you believe the obesity/diabetes epidemic is going to keep trending, the folks who make the Goliath oversized numbers).

        1. JustPixelz

          Um .. your "Glock" is your penis and your "spear" is your penis and your "gun" is your penis. Am I right? Can I go to the "next round", if you know what I mean?

    1. GOPCrusher

      I'm only surprised that one of them hasn't proposed a bill making it illegal to NOT carry a weapon at all times.

      1. LowProfileinGA

        No surprises in Georgia:

        Kennesaw GA, in Cobb County, about 25 miles north west of Atlanta
        http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-world/2010/10/

        or

        KENNESAW, Ga – Several Kennesaw officials attribute a drop in crime in the city over the past two decades to a law that requires residents to have a gun in the house.

        In 1982, the Kennesaw City Council unanimously passed a law requiring heads of households to own at least one firearm with ammunition.

        The ordinance states the gun law is needed to "protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants."

        Then-councilman J.O. Stephenson said after the ordinance was passed, everyone "went crazy."

        "People all over the country said there would be shootings in the street and violence in homes," he said. "Of course, that wasn't the case."

        In fact, according to Stephenson, it caused the crime rate in the city to plunge.

        Kennesaw Historical Society president Robert Jones said following the law's passage, the crime rate dropped 89 percent in the city, compared to the modest 10 percent drop statewide.

        "It did drop after it was passed," he said. "After it initially dropped, it has stayed at the same low level for the past 16 years."

        Mayor Leonard Church was not in office when the law was passed, but he said he is a staunch supporter of it.

        "You can't argue with the fact that Kennesaw has the lowest crime rate of any city our size in the country," said Church, who owns a denture-making company in Kennesaw.

        The author of the ordinance, local attorney Fred Bentley Sr., attributes at least some of the decrease in crime to the bill.

        "I am definitely in favor of what we did," he said. "It may not be totally responsible for the decrease, [but] it is a part."

        Although he is pleased with the outcome, Bentley said he was originally opposed to drafting the law.

        "I didn't think it could be written in a constitutional fashion," he said. "Obviously, it was constitutional, because the American Civil Liberties Union challenged it in court and we won."

        Jones said the ACLU challenged the law in a federal court just after it was passed. In response, the city added a clause adding conscientious objectors to the list of those exempt.

        Although the law is now being credited with a drop in crime, Jones said that was not the law's original purpose. He also pointed out that Kennesaw did not have a big problem with crime before.

        "The crime rate wasn't that high to start with. It was 11 burglaries per 1,000 residents in 1981," he said.

        According to the Kennesaw Police Department, the city's most recent crime statistics show 243 property crimes per 100,000 residents in 1998, or .243 per 1,000.

        The city's crime rate continues to be far below other metro Atlanta city's with similar populations, like Decatur. In 1998, Decatur recorded 4,049 property crimes per 100,000 residents….
        http://www.usacarry.com/forums/general-firearm-di

        1. horsedreamer_1

          How is mandatory gun ownership anymore constitutional than the individual mandate to have health insurance?

          1. LowProfileinGA

            Let me venture a couple of guesses:

            It's guns. How can one expect logic?

            Besides, not one black, Kenyan, Muslin, socialist on the Kennesaw City Council supported it. That's at the core of opposition to this health care plan.

            I report; you decide.

  5. DaRooster

    These are the folks that wanna do away with "Big Government" and leave things up to the states… right?

  6. Joshua Norton

    Otherwise known as "Let's legally arm all the whackos, psychos, petty crooks, gang-bangers and dope pushers NOW" bill.

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Somehow I don't feel "safe" knowing I have the right to fire back. Keeping them from taking aim at me in the first place would seem the more sensible way to handle it. So of course the gun loons aren't going to go for it.

    Not to mention that no hunter's kit just isn't complete unless they have a dozen AK-47's for "hunting wabbits".

    1. GOPCrusher

      When people ask me why I have a permit, while also being a card carrying, tree huggin, liberal, I just tell them it's defense against that liquored up Right Wing fanatic that decides that today is the day to go to the local mall and get revenge against the people that elected Obama to be President.
      And I pray that day never comes.
      The look on their faces is priceless.

    1. HedonismBot

      "I'm going to put in a call to my state legislators to start work on a law allowing Floridians to carry concealed thermonuclear devices when out of state."
      I think you have that backwards.

      1. Spurning Beer

        What, my legislators are going to put in a call to me? Thermonuclear devices will be allowed to carry concealed Floridians?

        I figure that with this new bipartisan bill, if Florida makes it legal, I would be able to take my "H-bomb" (the H is for Hoveround) anywhere.

        1. HedonismBot

          If Floridians are allowed thermonuclear devices, the rest of the country would agree they should leave them at home. If some yahoo blows America's Looniest State (TM) sky high, I don't think the rest of us would shed many tears at its demise.
          No offense, of course. And I hope you and yours make it out unharmed.

  7. Texan_Bulldog

    For Republicans, states' rights means: don't let the gayz marry, no unemployment insurance, no social programs for the poorz and YOU GET A GUN AND YOU GET A GUN AND YOU GET A GUN.

    1. Biff

      The poorz only get a gun that's just as likely to 'splode in their hands as it is to launch a projectile to the desired target.

    2. chicken_thief

      And round up all the brownz and put 'em in jail – BECAUSE IT'S THE LAW. But ignore the whites who hired the brownz. No need to enforce the law on real Amerikunz.

  8. SayItWithWookies

    “I don’t think it’s a violation of states’ rights because it doesn’t repeal any right that a state has to have or not have its own laws,” said Rep. Charlie Bass (R-N.H.).

    I'd like to see this moron explain to cops in New Hampshire that because he's allowed to drive 90 on the interstate in Montana he should be allowed to drive 90 on the interstate where he lives. On the other hand, this means anyone can execute a Texan, so we can hold the war crimes tribunals in any state we want…

    1. HedonismBot

      It's 75 max in Montana now (but only on the interstate,) and they changed the "reasonable and prudent" law several years back.
      And Charlie Bass represents a state that – by virtue of its own state law – mustmustmustMUST hold the first primary election in the nation, and gets all huffy when other states assert their right to not have to obey New Hampshire law. Every election. Forever and ever and ever. I'd say he has a kind of warped understanding of federalism and states' rights.

    2. GOPCrusher

      A band was arrested in Iowa recently for marijuana possession. They were from Colorado and had their medicinal marijuana cards on them, and where informed that those cards are not valid here.

    1. LetUsBray

      That would be fair, because I'm convinced these people's attitudes about guns don't have to do with the second amendment so much as the first: In short, they worship guns.

  9. widestanceshakedown

    At this point, I'll probably be able to marry my gun* before I can marry my guy.

    *I don't have uh gun, let alone one I'd want to marry.

    1. Chichikovovich

      Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh!!! I've got it! Here's how you can get married to your man.

      Take a vacation in Alabama. Have him carry some bullets in his pocket, and go "BANG!" really loud when you touch him. Then you can have him declared to be officially a gun.

      Then head right on down to the courthouse, and don't forget the rice!

  10. Franknflower

    So then please tell me why marriage laws in one state shouldn't be recognized by another state, Cliff.

  11. Terry

    So, Republicans, you've given up even pretending, haven't you?

    Personal freedom is sooooooo important, except when it comes to a woman deciding things about her own body.

    State's rights are absolutely critical, except when it comes to carrying concealed weapons across state lines.

    Family values are the basis of society, except when some man wants to pay a hooker so he can crap in a diaper or if he wants to screw his mistress or wants to inform his wife of their divorce while she's in the hospital.

    Heterosexuality is the absolutely only way to go, except when some politician wants to pick up guys in the men's room at Union Station or a preacher wants to do meth and screw young guys in cheap hotel rooms.

  12. chascates

    I call bullshit on Drudge. That link shows no map, identifies windows, or offers much help at all. Off to WND.com.

  13. paris biltong

    OWS and all that makes me kinda see the possible benefits of looser gun laws. How else are we going to prevent the oligarchs from taking over the republic? The shoe is moving over to the other foot. Thanks, NRA.

      1. Mumbly_Occupado

        It's even simpler than that; the 2nd Amendment, like all the others, doesn't apply to libruls. And especially browns.

    1. chicken_thief

      Gabby thinks we need more guns on the street like she needs another hole in her head. Wha?! Too soon?!!!

    2. kissawookiee

      The older lady who snatched the magazine out of Loughner's hand as he was attempting to reload testified for stronger gun-control measures earlier this week. She is predictably being pilloried, since one of the male Loughner-tacklers doesn't want stronger gun control, and the one guy who was actually packing that day (and almost shot one of the disarmers by mistake) doesn't either. Apparently you are only capable of rational thought on gun control if you are a male, with bonus points for being a male with a concealed carry permit, and neither of the above supports gun control.

      And despite living in Arizona, I'm from Illinois. May I exercise my natural-born right to not be surrounded by gun-waving tiny-dick compensators, plz?

  14. SexySmurf

    The fact is, we have a tradition in this country of upholding other states laws [and] allowing them to apply in other states.

    Just ask Dred Scott.

    1. Chichikovovich

      And remember back in the days of Jim Crow, when African-Americans from northern states were allowed to stay at any hotel and drink at any water fountain they wished?

  15. SorosBot

    You're forgetting the main thing Republicans mean by "states' rights": separate schools, neighborhoods, bathrooms, water fountains, etc. for the whites and "the coloreds".

      1. proudgrampa

        Wow. That was awesome. Thank you for introducing me to that!

        For what it's worth, World Domination by Canadians would not be a bad thing. Eh?

  16. IncenseDebate

    Nothing Freudian about the repressed soul of America. Anyone got a good word that rhymes with Glock? I'm writing a poem.

  17. Mumbletypeg

    This is good news for gun crackers who advocate state firearms be adopted *everywheres* not just Arizona. From the pro- 'a-featured-gun-in-every-state' Facebook page:

    “States have symbols such as flags, birds, dinosaurs, reptiles, insects, flowers, even cookware. None of these symbols would have become necessary without guns and the freedoms they helped our forefathers obtain."

    Look at this as progress, compatriots! In league with state dinosaurs!..

    1. Chichikovovich

      "None of these symbols would have become necessary without guns and the freedoms they helped our forefathers obtain."

      Guns and Freedoms made it necessary for the Hermit Thrush to be the state bird of Vermont? Even Herman Cain would be embarrassed to say something that imbecilic.

      [And anyway, I'm sure that's false in at least one case, since it was plainly not Guns and Freedom but rather the election of Michele Bachmann that made the Common Loon the inescapable choice as state bird of Minnesota.]

    2. HarryButtle

      Hey! AZ's absolutely and irreparably fucked up, be we aren't the ones that started the "state gun" crap…that was fucking Utah. Sure, we jumped on the bandwagon right away, but we didn't start it.

  18. BornInATrailer

    Have a feeling I'll be pretty alone here in my complete support of this bill. The blather is offset by the crime rate of those holding concealed carry permits vs. the general population.

    1. proudgrampa

      Actually, you are not alone. This isn't as black-and-white an issue as it seems. I agree that most CCW permit holders are going to be very law-abiding citizens and very unlikely to use their guns inappropriately.

      The CCW permitting process is a fairly exhaustive one, and weeds out the bad ones.

      The bad ones are going to carry anyway, whether they have a permit or not.

      1. LowProfileinGA

        For the most part I agree; the problem in the lax processes and lack of verifiable training requirements in some states, Florida and Georgia, for example. Georgia requires no training.

    2. Plowmon

      Seems like the real problem isn't the usual CCW, it's the usual crazy person that is able to purchase a firearm in the first place. They don't give a fuck about permits, laws, other people, etc…

  19. EatsBabyDingos

    Sadly, concealed carry does thin their own herd. I'm thinking of the guy in Fredericksburg, VA who died a few days ago when the handgun he had tucked in his waistband went off when he tried to insert the seatbelt tab into the trigger area of the gun, severing a major leg artery. Ehhh, I live in Virginia, so it's not like I'm not already fucked anyway.

  20. fletc3her

    Oh, look the speed limit is 60 on the highway so I'm just going to go that fast in the school zone because surely the community respects the laws of the interstate.

  21. BlueStateLibel

    So I assume then that the Red States will be forced to recognize gay marriages made in Blue States …

  22. johnnyzhivago

    No snark – what pisses me off is that my jackwagon Congressperson Leonard Lance (R-NJ) sends a stupid email every time he goes to take a leak in the House Bathroom – but there is no mention ANYWHERE on his website, facebook or anywhere else about the fact that he voted for this piece of crap.

  23. HedonismBot

    There must be something in the water at the country club, with the One Percenters all getting so sick. Everyone knows the 99 Percent can't afford doctors.

  24. Lascauxcaveman

    I will be petitioning my state legislature to legalize pre-emptive defensive strikes against anyone driving a vehicle with Utah plates.

    For freedom.

  25. barto

    So a state can pass a law that takes precedence over another state's laws, but that state can pass any law it wants which takes precedence over the first state's laws, but…

    Finally, ANARCHY RULES people!

    1. Biff

      Here's one for ya. The town I live near has legal fireworks stores, open year-round. You can buy pretty much any kind of fireworks you want there. Here's the thing, though. They aren't legal to possess there, nor in any of the 3 adjoining counties or neighboring state, and you have 24 hours from time stamped on your receipt to get 'em out.

  26. Chichikovovich

    "I don’t think it’s a violation of states’ rights because it doesn’t repeal any right that a state has to have or not have its own laws,” said Rep. Charlie Bass (R-N.H.)."

    Absolutely not. Every state can have whatever laws they please. This merely gives people from other states the right to ignore them with impunity.

  27. Redhead

    This actually shows more consistency than we usually see from these people. The right to free speech, to peaceably assemble and freedom of religion only seem to apply to people who say and think and do the same things as the teabagger wingnuts, and who worship the same God.

    So it kinda makes sense that only certain states, the "right" states with the "right regulations," should actually get to exercise their states' rights.

  28. owhatever

    Anything to make it easier for terrorists and crazy people and criminals to transport guns to sell death-making toys to the mentally unbalanced, pro-life, Teabagger and coward crowd.

  29. Biel_ze_Bubba

    “The fact is, we have a tradition in this country of upholding other states’ laws [and] allowing them to apply in other states.”

    So bring your gun across state lines. But not your gay spouse, or your weed, or your firecrackers for the 4th, or your under-taxed booze or cigarettes. Because, umm…. oops.

  30. glamourdammerung

    I hope the teabaggers do not use any "Second Amendment Solutions" over this obvious contempt of "state's rights". After all, they must be even more screechy than usual over this, right?

  31. ttommyunger

    The right never seems to tire of pandering to its fringes, no matter how trivial, stupid or unproductive its actions. What next, Fetus' right to concealed carry in the womb?

  32. Mumbly_Occupado

    “The fact is, we have a tradition in this country of upholding other states’ laws [and] allowing them to apply in other states.”

    We do in fact; this strong national legal tradition dates all the way back to at least the year 1857. What's important about year 1857, I don't remember exactly. But the important point is that "states rights" includes the very important right to impose your public policy on states that disagree with it, as it always has.

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