'homeland' is what the nazis called it too

Surprise, Homeland Security Coordinates #OWS Crackdowns

Department of Attacking American Citizens Who Are Tired of This Fucking Bullshit.Remember when people were freaking out over the Patriot Act and Homeland Security and all this other conveniently ready-to-go post-9/11 police state stuff, because it would obviously be just a matter of time before the whole apparatus was turned against non-Muslim Americans when they started getting complain-y about the social injustice and economic injustice and income inequality and endless recession and permanent unemployment? That day is now, and has been for some time. But it’s also now confirmed that it’s now, as some Justice Department official screwed up and admitted that the Department of Homeland Security coordinated the riot-cop raids on a dozen major #Occupy Wall Street demonstration camps nationwide yesterday and today. (Oh, and tonight, too: Seattle is being busted up by the riot cops right now, so be careful out there.)

Rick Ellis of the Minneapolis edition of Examiner.com has this, based on a “background conversation” he had with a Justice Department official on Monday night:

Over the past ten days, more than a dozen cities have moved to evict “Occupy” protesters from city parks and other public spaces. As was the case in last night’s move in New York City, each of the police actions shares a number of characteristics. And according to one Justice official, each of those actions was coordinated with help from Homeland Security, the FBI and other federal police agencies.

[...]

According to this official, in several recent conference calls and briefings, local police agencies were advised to seek a legal reason to evict residents of tent cities, focusing on zoning laws and existing curfew rules. Agencies were also advised to demonstrate a massive show of police force, including large numbers in riot gear. In particular, the FBI reportedly advised on press relations, with one presentation suggesting that any moves to evict protesters be coordinated for a time when the press was the least likely to be present.

Well gosh, that’s exactly what happened. Good to know the FBI and DHS are “always there to help a brother out.” (This is their motto, in Latin.)

(And for those who are understandably doubtful about Examiner.com as a news source, here’s an AP story from a couple hours ago that verifies everything except the specific mention of DHS coordination.)

Meanwhile, according to the steady stream of insanity on the Twitter, the Seattle riot cops just “maced a pregnant woman, a kid, a priest, and a blind woman w/ a fucking cane!” We know a version of this with a rabbi and Batman and Jesus and a grasshopper ordering a Grasshopper at a bar, we think? But nothing about riot cops spraying a pregnant woman with mace.

And meanwhile at Zuccotti Park, there are thousands of people apparently ready to mix it up with the cops, who are using some kind of DARPA audio-pain weapon on the assembled humans. No way this could turn ugly!

AND, on Thursday, the Ocupados are planning to (finally?) march on the New York Stock Exchange. If they throw a roll of pennies on the trading floor, this should create a distraction and then they can just demolish the whole evil building, just as Darth Vader did not so long ago:

This does lead to some thoughts about “what #OWS should do next.” For example, if cops always attack the #occupy protests because they’re told to by Obama’s Justice Department, perhaps the protests should simply invade and occupy the Justice Department and all the dozen federal and state cop offices in every town in the country, since the cops are already there. It would save a lot of time! [Examiner.com/Associated Press]

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228 comments

  1. emmelemm

    And, they're doing a coordinated bust of legal-via-states-rights marijuana dispensaries in Seattle as well.

    Your tax dollars at work!

    1. SorosBot

      Except that marijuana dispensaries are still illegal; you may not like it in the case of pot, but federal law trumps state law.

      1. 4TheTurnstiles

        This is a fact, but it also points to a contradiction in teabagger rhetoric: states rights first except when it comes to things we disapprove of because we are constipated.

        1. shamanik13_20

          actually ure wrong and its not a fact, but since u appear to love ur government more than your country i can understand where your lack of education originates from. if u loved your country you'd know more about your constitution, specifically the 10th amendment of the bill of rights which states all powers not expressed in the constitution are up to the states and people respectively, nowhere does the constitution grant the fed the ability to ban substances therefore it ought to be a state decided issue, but then we couldn't have the massive failure that gets more and more money thrown at it called the "war on drugs (i.e. poor people with drugs)" to become an even more massive failure.

          i mean really, you're defending fascism like this that has nothing to do with the intent our founders had for this country? f the elite, and f retards like yourself.

        2. shamanik13_20

          no, not a fact u authoritarian bootlicker. actually if u loved your country more than you love your government you might know more about the spirit of our constitution, the 10th amendment makes it very clear, all powers not expressed in the constitution are delegated to the people and states respectively, nowhere in the constitution does it grant the feds the ability to ban substances so therefore it ought to be a state issue, but then we wouldn't have the giant failure called the "war on (poor people who use) drugs" where we throw massive amounts of money at a police state apparatus aimed at destroying what ought to be someone's private choice to decide if they want to do something to their body or not. im really sure our founders had this in mind when they created a free country all to have it later on be usurped by a whole different group of elitist assholes who ruin our country with their petty control and egos.

          u legalize drugs and crime goes down, in a free market a substance that would cost $1000 on the black market would cost u $20 instead. not to mention the cia ships in all the drugs anyways, such as the cia rendition/bush campaign plane that crashed in mexico with 4 tons of cocaine on board, or how about operation fast and furious where we gave thousands of weapons to the largest mexican drug smuggling cartel and then turned around and said its because of our second amendment they got these weapons, no, they got them because we have a out of control corrupt government that creates problems so that we'll accept their solutions.

          the war on drugs is a failure and runs against the spirit of freedom our country ought to possess.

          i love how u turn it around into a tea party/republican thing, no, its a freedom thing. i and many others see where things are going and who is guilty in this government and u r just some of those paid to espouse bullshit opinions about freedom and law when u know jack shit about either.

          left, right, democrat, republican, its the way they control us, there is no difference between the two, its divide and conquer and this bandwagon type of politics where everyone feels like one party is their friend and the other is the evil side is something that only the truly truly stupid would fall for.

          turnstiles and soros****sucker are the epitome of what im talking about.

          if people could just see through this corruption it would be easier to fight, but instead this country is full of morons who believe they know what they're talking about when they are not.

          chemtrails are real. flouride is a poison. so is aspartame. 911 was an inside job. infowars com.

        3. shamanik13_20

          what a surprise, i just posted a reply twice about how these two are wrong and that if something isnt in the constitution the tenth amendment says it is up to the states and people respectively, therefore states ought to be able to decide what drug laws they enforce. but my post wasn't posted even though it wasn't vulgar or inappropriate and i replied a week ago. i have no use for such a site that doesnt let u post just because it doesnt agree with u because u dont kiss ass to authority.

        4. shamanik13_20

          no, ure wrong, read ur 10th amendment, all powers not expressed in the constitution, are up to the states and people respectively. could u point me to the section of the constitution that allows the feds to prohibit substances? ill wait.

          1. shamanik13_20

            honestly i couldve swore i waited a whole week before putting up more replies. sorry to have the same information posted so many times.

  2. CapnFatback

    I suppose we should have been clued in that Homeland Security was coordinating the advance on the Occupy protests when they bumped the advisory system to Threat Level Paisley.

    1. Negropolis

      Shit really starts to get real when they raise it to High Fuchsia, let me tell you. Lord help us when they raise it to High Fuchsia.

  3. CapnFatback

    Meanwhile, according to the steady stream of insanity on the Twitter, the riot cops just “maced a pregnant woman, a kid, a priest, and a blind woman w/ a fucking cane!”

    Chaucer wrote about it first.

      1. James Michael Curley

        Russ Meyer was one of several US Army movie photogs who were sent on to the beaches in the first wave during the Normandy Invasion. He filmed almost all of anything we ever see that was filmed that day. As the action was winding down, his commanders came along to collect his footage. Meyer didn't like them and refused to give it up because he felt it would be heavily edited by the Brass. The film from almost all the other photogs (movie and still) who were serving in the Army was then placed on a Landing Craft returning to the fleet that got hit and went to the bottom of the Channel.

        Almost all the stills you see from Normandy were taken by Capa. Capa lost three or four rolls of film and only eight images survived. Later in the day other non-military photogs were landed on the beach, but Capa had jumped ship and swam ashore when he found out they wouldn't let him go with the asault crafts.

    1. Negropolis

      For some reason "will no one rid me of this turbulent hippy?" just doesn't have the same ring to it. Ole Jeff Chaucer really did do it better the first time.

    2. HogeyeGrex

      We know a version of this with a rabbi and Batman and Jesus and a grasshopper ordering a Grasshopper at a bar, we think?

      The Aristocrats!!!

      1. Dashboard_Jesus

        yeah well you wouldn't want those 1% assholes to have to dip into THEIR *savings* (Treasury loot) to pay for it when they stick US with the bill, Koch-suckers

  4. EatsBabyDingos

    When did my government become the big fat kid in fifth grade that beat the crap out of everyone because he could?

      1. Dashboard_Jesus

        "In the spring of 1886 workers struck at the McCormick Harvesting Machine Company in Chicago, the factory that made farm equipment including the famous McCormick Reaper"

        McCormick Reaper = Grim Reaper …some things never change

    1. takesonetwoknowone

      Since about the Vietnam war, no, wait, earlier than that…Where have you been the last 40 years?

    2. MOG2410

      Depends on your group. If you're white – then only union busting, hippy busting, peace march bustiing, etc.

    3. AmericanBeauty

      Since Washington's abysmal treatment of the poor and the troops in the Revolutionary War. Freedom from England wasn't about what you think it was about – it was to preserve autonomy and profits of American trading companies from Europe. See Howard Zinn.

  5. sati_demise

    The NYPD got a taste of Lrad last night, when the sound torture cannon malfunctioned and blasted them instead of the protesters.

    The robots were on our side last night.

  6. BaldarTFlagass

    This planet really needs a large asteroid strike. Maybe whatever life form arises to prominence down the road will have their shit together.

      1. flamingpdog

        I think you're a little late with your welcome. Five of them have been sitting on the Supreme Court for a number of years now.

    1. EatsBabyDingos

      They never needed to. Teebaggers always went home to see Alex Trebek at 7:00, or else they'd bbzzzzz..snrklzzzz..I'm still watching that..nnzzllllnnnngg…..

    2. anniegetyerfun

      I look forward to the open discussions that conservatives will have in which they condemn these unconstitutional actions taken by government agencies… oh? OK, well, I look forward to listening to conservatives discuss how the Obama administration has been right to allow the Dept. of Homeland Security to crack down on these protests, because… no?

    3. WilliamHTaft

      Those cowards would never use their guns on us. Why fight when its so much easier to just bitch about the liberals and cruise around with your fat friends on your government scooters.

  7. finallyhappy

    If they decide to occupy the Justice building- please leave the dogs alone- I like the yellow lab and the black lab that check out all the non-employee delivery vans. Instead go to Homeland Security's building- I don't know the dogs there.

  8. upthruster

    It's about getting the unpretty people out of the way for Black Friday, Holiday tourists and anyone else who has a friggin penny left to spend on anything else besides gas. Timing is everything here, and they've pulled out the big guns now because our capitalism is supposed to go into high gear next week. If they really wanted people to be safe they would have made these raids long ago, it's all about making sure people don't have to look at unemployed people while shopping for their shit.

          1. hunnybee

            we Wonketeers owe it to ourselves to buy voting stock in Goldman Sucks. this way we can become the 1% and drink champagne and laugh at the poors. damn why didn't i think of that?

    1. WootInTarnation

      Word. It's the holiday season. And goddamnit, no paltry-ass "democracy movement" (Whatever the hell that is) is going to get in the way of the most sacred of American holidays: the 6-Week Holiday Spendaganza. (sometimes known as the Great American Christtime Shopping Holiday)

      It's like Ramadan, but inverted. During Ramadan one fasts and practices self-denial. Eid-al-Fitr marks the end of the month of abstinence with feasting, prayers of thanks and donations of food to the less fortunate of the community. Traditional Eid menus vary as adherents to the Muslim faith come from many different regions. However, kibbeh, tajine, kebobs, foul mudammas, biriyani, babaghanoush, baklava and even korma are all examples of dishes one might find on a festive Eid-al-Fitr menu.

      The Great American Christtime Shopping Holiday flips the script, as the many disparate elements of the American Melting Pot wallow in irresponsible consumption of crap nobody needs. When the credit card bills come in January, the end of the holiday is commemorated by a universal bout of depression, guilt and enforced austerity. The traditional holiday meal is ramen.

  9. EatsBabyDingos

    First, they came for the Mooslims, and I said nothing, becase I knew how to make a fair hummus and pita platter. Then, they came for the Syrians, and I said nothing, because their food was deriviative and bland. Then they came for the French, and I said nothing, because I knew fries and beer come from Belgium. Then they came for my neighbor, Pete, and I hoped his 300 horsepower leaf blower went with him.

    Looking back, I realize now that the lines at Safeway would have been shorter years earlier if I had just encouraged natural selection.

    1. emmelemm

      If we still have Comment of the Week, I nominate this.

      (Not leastly because I have a neighbor with a fucking leaf blower!)

        1. emmelemm

          He blows leaves and pine needles off his deck. Every day. EVERY DAY. In fact, I think he sits in his -living room? – and watches until a leaf swirls gently down and jumps up to fire up the blower.

          1. Crank_Tango

            wind blows leaves and pine needles on, wind blows leaves and pine needles off–you can't explain it!!!

          2. Dashboard_Jesus

            y'know as many bullshit things there are in this world that piss me off I gotta say the neighbor(s) with fuckin' leaf blowers are right up there at top of the list…fat lazy 'Merkans don't have the strength/ stamina to RAKE their goddam leaves so they gotta use a MOTORIZED machine to do the job in the same amount of time,,,fuck do I hate leaf blowers, and the blowhards who use them!

          3. Dashboard_Jesus

            as a fair weather Buddhist I do agree, I find raking leaves very Zen indeed, and as a middle-aged office drone it gives me some much needed exercise

  10. Chichikovovich

    Let's look on the bright side. At least Homeland Security is a huge, costly Federal bureaucracy merely duplicates the functions of other agencies. Because the Teabaggers and David Brooks keep telling me that us leftie types just loooves us any and all government spending. Never noticed that myself, but I guess they would know. So it's exactly what we like, right?

    And it also sounds impressive translated into German: "Heimat Sicherheit" ("Vaterland Sicherheit" could also work).

    1. mrblifil

      Best thing about the involvement of Homeland Security? Paper trail leading up the chain of the executive and legislative branches, including Lieberman, who STILL chairs the Senate Subcommittee assigned to oversight of DHS.

  11. TX_Bluebonnets

    Some of them were shouting "This is what a police state looks like…"

    Eminem was right:

    [Time to] "…lead the march right up to The steps of congress, and piss on the lawns of the White House, to burn the casket and replaceIt with a parental advisory sticker,
    to spit liquor in the faces of in this democracy of Hypocrisy, fuck you Ms. Cheney,
    fuck you Homeland Security, fuck you with the freest of speech this
    Divided states of embarrassment will allow me to have, fuck you
    He, hahaha, I'm just playin' America, you know I love you…"

    I'm going to mix a drink and…I don't know what. Maybe go camp out.

    We cannot allow it to end this way.

  12. rocktonsam

    Seems to be a sell out,
    NYPD had nothing to do with this?

    You would think that cities might provide space just for the helleva it.
    Got to be an economic green sprout for that particular city.

  13. BarackMyWorld

    DHS? Really? Because I seem to remember being told several times that only Muslims were terrorists during the heated debate over racial profiling at airports a few years ago.

  14. KathrynSane

    You know what? Part of me is really starting to hope these OWS kids just bring it all the fuck down. This is just…ugh.

  15. Guppy

    Now, go back and read all that again, but whenever you see "Department of Homeland Security" or "Justice Department," read it as "the Obama administration."

    1. Chichikovovich

      Hey, you're right! When I read it that way, it seems perfectly benign. (Of course, I'm also reading "OWS" and "protesters" as "Republicans in Congress". Without that additional change, it's infuriating and disheartening in equal measure.)

    2. sati_demise

      Exactly. Big Sister Janet lost her progressive cred, reverting to the Arizona cult once she had power.

  16. Barrelhse

    Just maybe this is an indication that the Movement is working. I hope the solidarity of our vision is stronger than the Syria-like tactics being used by the pigs.

  17. Rotundo_

    It is interesting that so many of the weapons systems we have cooked up of late, like the noise cannons, are primarily geared towards crowd suppresion. It's also interesting to see that the most enthusiastic use of these weapons is on the citizens of this great United States exercising their constitutionally guaranteed rights of freedom of assembly and speech. I think I'm fresh out of snark for the night tonight folks.

    1. Isyaignert

      It sux – but we are currently toward the end of Gandhi's observation about social change: First they ignore you, then they make fun of you, then they fight you (now) and then, you win! I am so proud of those wonderful people occupying everywhere.

    1. Chichikovovich

      I thought that was weird too, but then I listened to Rush and watched Hannity and realized that it's yet another sign of Obama's Satanic Marxist Evilishness: he's both orchestrating the protests behind the scenes and also bringing out a massive show of force in riot gear with the latest in crowd control techniques from low tech truncheons to hi-tech Yoko Ono music.

      Just as he's both a ruthless corrupt Chicago thug with a long list of deaths he's responsible for, and also a complete naive babe in the woods Obambi. Or he's a born-in-Kenya to a British Subject usurper and also the son of Malcolm X….

      1. flamingpdog

        Remember, stuff like this is so much easier to pull off when you have multiple voices speaking at the same time in your head.

  18. JackObin

    It's time for all bloated, half-witted americans to go shopping. Never mind civil rights and corruption. Think i-phones and kindles, and countless other other throw-away crap.

    1. comrad_darkness

      Hey, you can have my kindle when you peel it from my . . . wait, I don't have a kindle.

      Santa libel!

        1. Nothingisamiss

          Just as well. His heart doesn't pump anymore, and his blood pumping organ is an outside assist device. No heart, great government health insurance.

  19. RadiosTyrone

    So, we can thank the Obama administration for this? Hey, thanks bro.
    This is like when the DEA was able to effectively eliminate Quaaludes from the drug vernacular some twenty years ago.

  20. OCcupied_Surf_Serf

    Facism, Police State, Armed Teabaggers and Unarmed Occupiers…yeah, got all this stuff twirling around in my head, too…

  21. Isyaignert

    I heard that the Seattle City Council voted unaminously to support OWS and that they wanted to help them. WTF?

  22. Antispandex

    This sounds like one of those "conspiracy theories". Hello! It's the PATRIOT Act! Just act like a patriot, do exactly as the government tells you, and there should be no problem at all. Geeze panicers, lighten up!

    1. racetoinfinity

      I image your comment is sarcastic – let me add – "Do exactly as the government [working for the 1%] tells you" and you won't be treated like disposable trash. The dirty hippie hoi polloi who are a security threat.

  23. slowhansolo

    This is not the nation in which I grew up, and I'm only 41. Unavenged coups that are effectively continued by a phony opposition candidate have a way of making that happen.

    Fuck Obama. Fuck the whole goddamned enterprise. I'm going to bed.

  24. mourningnmerica

    A big thanks to our President for protecting us from…. Oh, wait, he's just standing by, doing nothing, as usual.

  25. SayItWithWookies

    Just think how effective the federal and city governments could be if they coordinated this closely to do something constructive instead of using it to crack open the heads of veterans and moms and citizens protesting the economic shell game that everyone acknowledges sucks.

    1. WootInTarnation

      Yup. Only under drastic conditions and facing a great risk, say, when their interests are at stake, are they capable and willing to suspend selfish partisanship and act in healthy collaboration for the good of the(ir) community.

      Fuck this. And fuck them. I haven't seen so many politicians working across partisan lines since they all lied together to support Bush's little money-maker on the Euphrates.

  26. Dudleydidwrong

    "Achtung! Arbeit macht frei!" And the gates with the sign closed and the SS/city police went off to celebrate with a keg of Budweiser. And donuts. Amerikan democracy lives.

    Now all you fuckers go out and spend money.

    (Really I haz the sadz…)

    1. Fukui_sanYesOta

      I'm sure it wouldn't take much to make a slightly adjusted version of Arbeit Macht Frei the rallying call for the conservative movement.

      "Work Is the Freedom Giver" or "Freedom Through Hard Work" spring to mind.

    2. littlebigdaddy

      Yeah, but it would have to be the Czech Budweiser-Budvar, for fascisms! (Plus which it is way better than that crap from Missouri).

  27. datateday

    Would it make me a 'Wonkette Coward' if I were to say "Please use any method presently available to find, mute, book, and deport these Tuberculosis-ridden people back to Moocherland, where they belong"?'

        1. sati_demise

          Yea, those fuckin' old blind women, children, priests, and pregnant women.

          Silence them, throw them in jail, and deport all those assholes.
          It is the American way since 9-11

          1. Nothingisamiss

            God, yeah. All those people that work in labor unions- teachers, nurses and such. And those damn religious people. And others…what moochers, all of them. In fact, prior to his death last week, my 86 y/o father in law was actually collecting social security and veteran's benefits…can you believe that??!!! My tax dollars paying so a sick old man who fought in a war could live with some dignity?! Fucking moocher!

        2. Chichikovovich

          Several friends of mine in NYC go to the OWS every day, when they're not working. The three of them are all pediatric oncologists that my wife met in med school. You know, people who do everything they can to save kids from dying of cancer?

          What do you do for a living Mr. Non-moocher?

        3. Negropolis

          Why do I get the feeling that you, yourself, happen to be a tick on the scrotum of society? GTFO with that.

  28. LetUsBray

    You ever get that sickening feeling like the whole country is Altamont and your damn taxes have been paying for the Hell's Angels? 'Cause I'm having a lot of that right now.

  29. iburl

    Motherland Security just sounded so… effeminate and Fatherland security was too obviously fascistic, so Homeland Security it was, and that's how America created the noose in which to place the neck of Lady Liberty.

  30. BigDumbRedDog

    Great. Glad to see our government is concentrating on the important things like medical marijuana in Seattle and occupy wall street. You know what Obama? Fuck You. I'm officially breaking up with you. I've had enough.

    1. WootInTarnation

      Good for you! It's so tragic to see women or men go back to a partner who regularly abuses them. It often takes a dramatic event to open the eyes of the victim to the true nature of his or her partner.

      Welcome home! Many of us have been in the same destructive relationship. Let's work together to support other partners in their struggle to free themselves from unhealthy relationships. I've only recently broken off with that abusive partner myself.

    2. dennis1943

      The buck may stop there………….if it ever got to his desk………..inquiring minds want to know……..

  31. awwalk56

    I've been hammering the the hell out of the @whitehouse twitter machine about this. I suggest everybody swamp tweet the @whitehouse twitter machine and post every story they can find on das homeland SS trooper movements.

  32. unclejeems

    Whatever happened to peaceable assembly and redress of grievances. Oh, wait, the cops were actually there in support of the protesters, jamming their heads so they'd have more grievances to redress.

    Now that makes sense.

  33. user-of-owls

    Ok, suppose now's as good a time as any to finally bitch about the whole "Ocupados" label thing. I realize it's unlikely to convince anyone to abandon the tag based on the simple notion that the word actually means "Ones Who Are Occupied" (which sounds pretty stupid). So how about this tack instead. If you want to deploy Spanish on the movement, how about you use the actual original term adopted by actual Spanish protesters against actual Spanish austerity measures: los Indignados. The Indignant. Doesn't that sound way cooler?

    1. LetUsBray

      WAY cooler, especially since isn't "¡Ocupado!" the sort of thing a person hollers if someone's walking in on them in the can?

    2. sati_demise

      The 99% have been occupied by Wall Street. their homes have been occupied by Wall Street, their jobs, their children, their whole communities.

      They are occupied with it.

  34. Negropolis

    The DoJ is such an utterely failed mini-state of a department it's not even funny. What a fetid horizontal mess of an organization. Barry has no more control off it than any other president in recent years, but he sure as hell better find a way to reign it and Homeland Security in, and quick. We aren't going to keep putting up with this shit.

    The people are already on the streets, and they ain't going back home. Trying putting that genie back in the bottle, you morally bankrupt fuckers.

  35. owhatever

    The freedoms of speech and assembly may be practiced on public property between the hours of midnight and one a.m., every other Thursday, except on Thanksgiving.

    Our kids are not our enemies. If you cannot understand what they are saying, then you are one stupid asshole.

  36. Negropolis

    You know, this thing can go from "I have a dream" to "by any means necessary" quickly, you know, less King, Jr. and a little more X at the drop of a dime.

    I don't want to set the world on fire, but…

    Listen to the kids. Won't someone think of the children? Won't anyone think of the children?!

    1. Fukui_sanYesOta

      The kids have the right idea, I reckon. I thought growing up in the 80s was shite; god knows what it must be like to turn 18 or 21 these days.

      1. WootInTarnation

        Damn straight.

        That the Empire is in decline is no secret. When I think of the disastrous destruction commensurate with the shift of power from autocrats to democrats following WWI, I get very fucking scared imagining the limits to which the power-entrenched will go to maintain control of the very nice little set-up they've got going on.

        But I have friends who are 18-21 y.o. and they're excited to be alive for this battle. Of course, that's what a lot of young people said before WWI too. Or in the early years of the Russian Revolution.

        What my friends have going for them aside from the enthusiasm and optimism of youth, is the fact that BushCo and Wall Street's policies have started to make Americans really feel the hurt. The anti-Vietnam movement never really gained adequate support until enough working-class parents got their kids back in a box, or as alcoholic or heroin-addicted husks.

        So, in contrast to the stultifying silence that met our protests in the 00s, at least they have a voice and support. My familiarity with history makes me very nervous however. If the human race has done it before, they'll do it again, but with better weapons and fewer qualms about the Rules of Engagement. Shit we don't even declare wars anymore just so we can skirt around those pesky issues of humane treatment.

        Goddamn, "civilization" has abandoned so many of the rules and policies that were earned at such a high cost through the 30-year meat grinder that was the two World Wars.

        We fucking forgot again. And in the case of the US, we've never really learned. By the grace of our geography, we've never lived under occupation, we've never had our cities bombed to rubble. Must we go through that to learn lessons that can be found in the most basic of history books? Maybe. I forgot that the "New History" starts 6000 years ago and involves dinosaur rodeos. Sigh. I need a bourbon.

  37. lulzmonger

    After the day's events, DHS issued a brief press-release:

    "We had to destroy the democracy in order to save it."

  38. GeorgiaBurning

    Once you get people to believe that invading another country brings it democracy then it's not a big stretch that suppressing protests protects liberty.

  39. WootInTarnation

    Huh. I'm a dummeh. I was just carefully and liberally qualifying some recent thread comments I wrote that explored the possibility that the anti-Occupy crackdowns were the result of a combined effort. But hey, I didn't want to sound like a tin-foil conspira-nut, so I was sowing caveats in every inch of earth I could find.

    Gullible dummeh is gullible. The Greatest American Holiday, the 6-week Christtime Spendaganza, is just about to start. Elected leaders, government drones and their corporate sponsors are going to do their very best to create a shiny, well-scrubbed, re-chalked arena in which we, the American Consumers, can go out there and give 110%.

    I wouldn't be surprised if there were members of the 1%'s support staff who truly believe that a little wholesome, old-fashioned spending beyond one's means will erase all memory of the issues Occupy has brought into public discourse. Oooh, look! Shiny!

    I find that outcome rather unlikely. First off, no one's got a dime to spend on tinsel. Second, those credit card statements in January will quickly drive the sheep back into the 99% fold. In fact, this holiday season could prove a very effective recruiting tool for the Occupy Movement. There's nothing like choosing between gifts for your kids and making ramen a staple of the family's daily diet. Milk and cereal are goddamned expensive!

  40. DarwinianDemon

    So wait…you post a story from the examiner, say we should be wary of the examiner but there's an AP article confirming everything except what you used in the headline….so why use that as the headline? Isn't the confirmed part of the story brutal enough?

    1. imissopus

      Unless I'm missing something, that AP article doesn't confirm anything other than that the mayors of different cities have been talking to each other. There is simply no mention in the AP story of DHS, the FBI, or anything else federal. There is nothing at all about advice received to use zoning laws or whatever as a pretext for the raids.

      The Examiner is based on one "background conversation" with an anonymous DOJ official. And that's the one we're supposed to believe, even though Junior specifically says it's understandable if we're wary of the Examiner.

      Sigh. Hey Junior, there's no need for tinfoil hat bullshit. The fact of the crackdown is bad enough without gilding the lily.

  41. Crowe2011

    Surely if you're looking for departments to cut, Homeland Security – the agency in practice devoted to domestic oppression – would be higher up the list than the departments of commerce, education or… uh… forgotten the third. It's not the EPA. Oops.

  42. Negropolis

    Local update: Occupy Detroit got a weeks extension for their occupation of downtown's Grand Circus Park, but they are only using the extra week to pack up and move to an indoor location. Both sides (the city and the occupiers) are falling all over themselves kissing each other's asses to try and pretend that they both "won". Truth is, the city wants them out in time for Detroit's America's Thanksgiving Parade, which just so happens to run smack through the middle of the park. It's so transparent it's not even funny. I do understand, though. The DPD is the last police department you want to test to do the right thing when the shit hits the fan. The city council seems to totally be on the side protest, even many of them comparing it favorably to the civil rights movement, but the executive branch and the police are less patient if even trying to keep a friendly face, publically.

    1. Chichikovovich

      Thanx for the info. I heard about the extension on the radio and figured it was just because the city was happy to have as many people downtown as they could. And they figured that there was no need to send in the police since freezing winds off the Detroit River would soon be doing that job for them – this way they could at least get an agreement from the protesters to clean up (which they'd be less inclined to do if they were chased out by pepper spray and Moby music.) I forgot about the Thanksgiving Day Parade.

  43. HogeyeGrex

    Remember when people were freaking out over the Patriot Act and Homeland Security and all this other conveniently ready-to-go post-9/11 police state stuff,

    Don't those Dirty Fucking Hippies ever get tired of being right?

  44. takesonetwoknowone

    Why are you all complaining, we got all our Occupied sites smashed in last month in preparation for the Queens visit, and again this month in preparation for your fing Presidents visit!!! Maybe next time you'll keep him around and this shiite won't happen!!

  45. DahBoner

    Yeah, but does the maced pregnant women have dirty dreadlocks? Was she sipping a $4 latte?

    Those are the salient details I expect, from a folksy NYT article…

  46. RodriguezJesus1

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  47. mamakin777

    Naomi, you were the first person I thought of when I realized this was a coordinated effort even before the "slip" by a justice dept. person and Mayor Quan mentioning that she was on a conference call with 18 other mayors.
    My hope is that these slips mean they are trying to get the msg out, because they have been forced by DHS to implement these evictions in the name of "homeland security" that they otherwise would not have. I am even clinging to some fantasy that Obama is being held in some ivory tower, and he authorized the actions because he knew it would strengthen the movement in the long run.
    Everyone else: thank you for insightful, appropriately humorous and non-troll comments. The Occupy chats are overrun with trolls.

  48. thefrontpage

    Here's a bolt of reality:

    1. The U.S. Department of Homeland Security means nothing. Absolutely frickin' nothing, The creation of this stinking pile of nothingness was a mistake–a multi-milion-dollar boondoggle mistake. The department means nothing, its structure means nothing. It is nothing but a huge, stinking pile of waste, duplication, nothingness and wasted money. Really.

    2. There is zero need for a "Department of Homeland Security."

    3. Why on earth would anyone at DHS, the FBI or any other federal agency intervene against some protestors? Really–why? It should not be a federal matter. It definately should not be a concern of DHS or the FBI.

    4. The Occupy protestors should be allowed to do whatever the hell they want to do–all over the country. And the government should be supporting their cause—really.

    5. IF DHS and the FBI were involved in breaking up peaceful protests, then there should be an investigation, and reprimands, and a change in policy.

    6. Everyone should support Occupy Wall Street and what it stands for. Everyone.

  49. ohno_zombies

    It was pepper spray, not mace. Mace makes your eyes water. Pepper spray makes your eyes burn too much to keep open, and clings to the oils in your skin. HUGE difference there.

  50. libtardette

    I was wondering why my federal agent boyfriend won't talk to me anymore since he found out I'm involved with OWS. Ah well.. he wasn't "all that" anways!

  51. rudyabdul

    Wait a minute! Aren't you guys reading the whole thing? Look at where the source is from: The Examiner. THE EXAMINER for crying out loud! Also, the AP report says absolutly nothing about FBI or Homeland Security involvement. NOTHING.

    I don't know who wrote this piece of shit but you guys are eating it all up.

  52. Sassomatic

    I don't have any facts to back this up, but I believe the Obama administration is coordinating the crackdown on the #Occupy movement. Oh wait, I do have facts to back that up.

  53. obbop

    "There's class warfare, all right, Mr. (Warren) Buffett said, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning."

    "There has been class warfare going on," Buffett, 81, said in a Sept. 30 interview with Charlie Rose on PBS. It's just that my class is winning. And my class isn't just winning, I mean we're killing them."

  54. dcrow27

    No you guys, you are being set up. @shoq and @angryblacklady have discussed this shit extensively on twitter. this whole line is bullshit, and the article in question is bullshit, and the publication in question is bullshit. Yes I am sure the mayors talked to one another and so what. I completely and totally support Occupy Wall Street but I believe this whole monster conspiracy line is crap. Check it out. http://bit.ly/sHB2nl that's the angry black lady link. @shoq was all over it last night.

    don't be dopes. just fight the good fight.

  55. rudyabdul

    C'mon, ya'll. REALLY!?

    Do you all really believe that The Examiner is a reliable source of getting the truth out? The Examiner!!!. That's what the writer got this article from. The writer also claims that AP wrote the same thing but If you read the AP report, it says nothing about the FBI or Homeland Security. Absolutely nothing.

    C'mon, ya'll. REALLY!?

    Now here's my take on Occupy… It started out peacefully as the 99% vs the 1% but now it's devolving into the hippies vs the Police. Instead of it being a movement for change, it is becoming just folks taking up public space. They are begining to lose support.

    The no. 1 problem of The Occupy movement is that they lack leadership and focus. Because of that, the movement has been infiltrated by self-serving people in the 1% who insist that they are "one of us". The movement has been infiltrated by people and orgainzations who are using Occupy to pimp their own causes. And others who are trying to derail the movement all together.

    Once they regain focus on what this movement is truly about it will regain it's strength but to many, it is becoming a joke. Also, whether they like it or not, their demands will have to be met legislatively so they need an intelligent leader who can go before Congress and advocate for their demands.

    That's my take…

  56. robcypher

    This article got rejected as false by a few blogs, including "Angry Black Lady" and the like. Is using an Examiner article to back up the the majority of the claims (interstate collusion between police forces and the feds) a good idea?

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