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Here’s the Insane Video of Marine Vet Scott Olsen Shot At #OccupyOakland

Jesus H. Christ. First it’s a lot of BANG BANG BANG and screaming as tear gas fills the air followed by GRAPHIC (there, you’re warned if you’re at work) footage of former Marine Scott Olsen from Veterans for Peace being carried away by fellow protesters with blood covering his head after being hit in the face by some type of police projectile. The Contra Costa Times mentions “unconfirmed reports that flash-bang grenades and wood dowels were launched at protesters,” items that cops assume would, what… tickle the protesters if fired directly at their heads? No, the asshole cops know exactly what they are doing, and the Guardian is now reporting that Olsen is currently in critical condition with a skull fracture. We’re glad you survived Iraq, Scott, and it’s unbelievably sad that we now have to hope you survive the Oakland Police Department.

Meanwhile, the San Jose Mercury News reports that the main library in Oakland decided to stay open in support as the protesters gathered there:

On Wednesday morning, library Director Carmen Martinez said the City had supported her decision to keep the library open.

In the early afternoon Tuesday, hours before the protest arrived at the library steps, City Administrator Deanna Santana called Martinez and asked how she wanted to handle the situation, Martinez said.

“I said that we are a symbol of civil society for a lot of groups, including this one, and the folks who protested against the libraries budget cuts, and we will remain open as along as service can be continued without disruption,” Martinez said. “Deanna said she understood and respected that.”

Police also called to ask if the library needed any help or backup, Martinez said, but she declined.

That’s cute, the police thought that the library needed protection from protesters. Evil corporate banks, libraries, whatever, same thing.

OccupyOakland is also reporting rumors that not all of the police are excited to participate in the OPD’s campaign to smash open the heads of people protesting for their crappy old economic justice, and that some are resigning in protest of last night’s brutal clash. [YouTube/San Jose Mercury News/Twitter]

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    1. Darthhippy

      My statement to the mayor, "You are a coward." I just couldn't justify wordifying it up for such an obvious one line needed rant.

    1. Lionel[redacted]Esq

      The cats are all paid informants for the police. They knew when to get out. Never trust a cat.

  1. edgydrifter

    Olsen will probably be charged with "obstructing justice" for blocking a lawfully-fired police projectile with his head.

  2. BaldarTFlagass

    I think Jean Quan is busy lobbying the NFL to keep the Raiders in Oakland, so she can't be around to deal with this.

    1. Occupy V572

      We can never give enough to NFL owners. Here in San Diego the question is not whether we should pay tribute to the Spanos family, who own the Chargers, but how many hundreds of millions of dollars that tribute should be.

      Oh yeah, the schools are about to close and they can't afford to finish the library and the roads are full of potholes and during the blackout raw sewage spewed everywhere because there were no backup generators at the sewage lift stations, but WE'RE A BIG LEAGUE CITY! Yea!

    1. Come here a minute

      That meme is very disturbing. I wish you’d have chosen something else. I realize that it’s a shameful part of American history that we should never forget, but it’s too much.

  3. OC_Surf_Serf_#OLA

    Can't watch while at work…all the screaming and swearing I do at these vids is begininng to draw attention…

  4. memzilla

    Hmph. I thought Kent State was left in the '70s. Silly me.

    Seriously: I want Oakland Police Chief Jordan held to account, and by "account," I mean "shot in the head with the same projectile his troops used on Scott Olsen."

    1. BaldarTFlagass

      I think it's a billy club. Never heard of them being "launched," though. Maybe the OPD has developed a billy club trebuchet.

        1. BaldarTFlagass

          I don't think there's any limit to dowel diameter.

          Ah yes, here's wiki (I doubt if the Dowel page has been fucked with by right-wingers):
          "Such machines employ interchangeable cutting heads of varying diameters, thus enabling the machines to be quickly retooled to manufacture different diameters of dowel (e.g., 1/4", 1/2", 2", etc.). "

    2. BerkeleyBear

      If I'm thinking of the right thing, it is short chunk of dowel that is supposed to be aimed at the ground to fragment, not shot right at you.

      1. Arken

        How does aiming it at the ground and fragmenting it accomplish anything? Not that I want them to accomplish anything by shooting dowels at people…

        1. BerkeleyBear

          Because the fragments shoot up on the rebound and sting the crap out of you. Again, that's what I recall from newspieces about this and allegedly non lethal rubber shotgun slugs (which are only non lethal if they hit the ground or something less prone to death than a human first).

      1. BerkeleyBear

        Shit, they've been misusing this exact mix of stuff since the 90s. Every time they are given a chance to do better they fuck it up.

        It seems this only happens because cops get enamored of the idea this is "easier" or "cleaner" than actually wading into the crowd and physically pushing people out. Maybe in the sense of police safety, as long as it doesn't enrage the protestors to retaliate, that's true, but it just seems very short-sighted.

    3. BerkeleyBear

      In case the last picture wasn't scary enough, here's the specs on the round:

      The diameter of each baton round is 1.4 freaking inches, for crying out load. While it is supposed to be a low velocity round, that's still scary. Particularly as 3 of them are in each shell and the company's specs are a CYA memo about how it isn't intended for direct fire, but you can do so "at the discretion of the operator."

      The goal is "pain compliance," per the same document. I'm really not all that compliant when someone hits me with anything – pissed off, scared, screaming, sure. But not compliant.

      1. Biel_ze_Bubba

        About the size of a 'D' battery, it "isn't intended for direct fire." Unless the cop, in his wisdom, decides otherwise, in which case "it delivers considerable energy and should only be considered when the immediate need for compliance would support the probability of serious injury or death*."

        *a.k.a. "pain compliance"

  5. BaldarTFlagass

    “unconfirmed reports that flash-bang grenades and wood dowels were launched at protesters,”

    I'm sure that the police spokesman will be confirming these reports very soon. Right?

    1. Biel_ze_Bubba

      The O.P.D. will have no comment, pending the outcome of an investigation. If the press is still hounding them 2 years from now, the investigation will be launched. The results, eventually, will be sealed for confidentiality purposes, although the press, if still interested, will be able to go to court to seek access. The legal contest will take a couple of years, but eventually a redacted copy of the report will be released. It will find the cops entirely blameless.

      Thank goodness they have a procedure.

      1. comrad_darkness

        Police are supposed to rape and pillage in exchange for pay.

        Well, the right must believe that, it would go along with legislating women's rights and science back to the dark ages.

    1. mrpuma2u

      Rush would be masturbating to it right now if he could get it up still, Hannity and Beck are fapping to it for sure.

  6. bureaucrap

    It took the baby boomers 5 years of protesting to reach the "Kent State" moment. It took us only 5 weeks! Go, Generation Z!!!!

    1. Geminisunmars

      Not that I don't appreciate your enthusiasm, but the police were rioting from very early on causing injuries and death from the beginning of anti-war protests in the mid-60s, and this isn't Kent State, in that Kent State took place on a college campus, which isn't where OccupyOakland is taking place, nor what I think it is about. This isn't a Kent State moment – yet. Not until the universities and colleges start participating.

      1. Biel_ze_Bubba

        I don't think you need a campus to have a "Kent State Moment"… but you probably do need a death or two. Let's hope we don't need that to get the message across.

        1. Geminisunmars

          I agree totally. I guess I was just reacting to the "glee" I picked up from Bureaucrap's comment that it only took 5 weeks to get to this point. I don't know why we need to perpetuate a division between young/old, even here at Wonkette. I may too decrepit to physically participate, but where do you young folk think the funds that are helping feed and medicate and otherwise support the occupiers are coming from?

          Nor do we need to label it a "Kent State Moment." Whenever the police riot that is a horrific moment.

          Now, all you youguns, get back on that (park) lawn!!!

    1. Lionel[redacted]Esq

      And reduce regulations! Can you imagine how many forms the police probably have to feel out because of this?

  7. OC_Surf_Serf_#OLA

    Marine Scott Olsen…being carried away by fellow protesters

    once again fighting for our freedums…

    1. Numbat_Dundee

      Not again. This time he is, in Iraq he was fighting for other things as I'm sure he'd agree if, hopefully, he recovers. But it was a real "Born on the Fourth of July" moment in that video. When demonstrators are carrying a veteran's stricken body and screaming: "Medic!", you know the imperial war has come home.

  8. smoothmineral

    If this kind of brutality were being reported in another country, Anderson Cooper and the rest of the MSM would be on the ground giving a damn by now.

    I heard on the radio that the projectile was a rubber bullet. Apparently some genius thought that because the bullets were rubber, he had license to shoot someone in the face.

    1. CommieLibunatic

      Yeah, there's a reason we have to use the clunky "less-than-lethal" title for those kinds of weapons. People forget that you can kill someone with a bible if you do it juuuuust right.

    2. comrad_darkness

      Maybe the protesters should borrow some hoverrounds to carry the wounded away so they get more coverage.

  9. actor212

    I've always believed that OWS needs its Kent State moment for the country to understand the gravity of the situation.

    I'm sad that I have the chance to be proven right

      1. Chichikovovich

        It's Angel's Night now. No joke. The renaming was part of a general citywide effort to get the fire-setting under control. Dumb-sounding or not, the effort seems to have had positive effects.

        1. Negropolis

          I'm embarrassed every time I read about the effort the nights before. It's sad that you have to have a concerted effort to keep some of your citizens from burning their own fucking city to the ground, and I say that as someone from there.

          It originally started out as absentee, suburban landlords paying people (the homeless, criminals, etc…) to burn down the homes the landlords owned on Halloween night, and then it turned into a sadistic holiday.

          I'm thankful that there are usually less fires on those two nights than during your average night, but it's sad that this has to be celebrated.

    1. Not_So_Much

      I wouldn't mind the shit getting real — but I sure as fuck don't want that kid to die. This is waaay fucked up.

  10. Antispandex

    Bravely serving your country doesn't give you the right to go out and protest. Sadly. I am sure Fox News will have somethng of a similar explanation on soon. Like when they justify cutting veteran benefits, because the rich just can't afford less luxury…for OUR sakes. I'm going to go be sick now.

    1. elviouslyqueer

      I'm sure tomorrow's Fox News narrative will run something like "For Olsen to come back after honorably serving his country and become involved in part of this filthy 'gang' is reprehensible and disgusting." Your move, Kilmeade. Prove me wrong.

      1. Chichikovovich

        The spin may be to blame the "filthy gang". My bet is we see something like this: "After his honorable sacrifice, putting his life on the line to preserve our freedoms, even the freedoms that this filthy mob are abusing, the final betrayal was when he trusted people he believed to be his friends who dragged him into a violent protest that ended with him in a hospital bed fighting for his life. I didn't think the evil Marxist OWS savages could sink lower, but they have: they did to him what even Saddam Hussein's killers couldn't. It's a dark day for America if we let one of our heros go unavenged."

  11. LettucePrey

    Every time something like this happens, that ever-dwindling part of us that still thinks of cops as the "good guys" says that these are just the bad apples and don't represent the entire force. And then we see this again and again and again… and, to make matters worse, the fresh and crunchy apples rally around the rotten ones.

    I guess the good apples are just decoration in the pig's mouth.

    1. TitsAkimbo

      I've never been anywhere, or done anything, that was somehow improved in any way by the insertion of a law enforcement presence. This includes the time I called them when I got robbed at gunpoint, and the time my girlfriend called when she was forcibly raped.

  12. weejee

    Best wishes for Scott Olsen's full recovery.

    The fact Mr. Olsen is a Marine vet may help the cause. During the Vietnam protests one image I hold is an older police sergeant in tears of conflict. He had been ordered to arrest some Vietnam Vets against the War who had been throwing their medals over the fence surrounding the White House. The cop was holding a Purple Heart and Silver Star he had picked-up off the lawn in his one hand, was pointing with his other hand at the protesters who had thrown their medals, and with his voice cracking telling a reporter there was no way he could arrest those vets.

    1. RadioOcupados

      We can only hope weej. Unfortunately, I'm thinking more along the lines of the Kerry/Swift Boater narrative. Somehow, the guy who was coddled in the Air National Guard was the brave war hero and the guy who actually went to Vietnam and got medals was some kind of traitor. I will NEVER get that. And the propaganda machine that developed that message is stronger than ever.

    2. Guppy

      "The fact Mr. Olsen is a Marine vet may help the cause."

      Yeah, odds are someone else will pick up the tab for his ER visit.

    3. Dashboard_Jesus

      oh sure, remember purple heart *band-aids* at the '04 Repig convention? these people have NO shame (anymore)

  13. SorosBot

    But remember, reforming our broken health insurance system is fascism, while this is perfectly OK.

    1. BaldarTFlagass

      Didn't they give the bird to the Patriot Act too, when the Authorities wanted them to give lists of people that checked out subversive reading material?

    2. Beowoof

      Damn right, keep providing all those subversive books full of ideas. Don't want that, get home and watch Dancing with the "Stars", the chubby mean woman is still in the "running".

    1. not that Dewey

      To assist in the dispersal efforts, officers used less lethal force tactics.

      Do they mean "fewer lethal force tactics" or "force tactics that are less lethal"? What does "less lethal" mean?

  14. poncho_pilot

    so…which right wing media personality will be the first to call Scott Olsen a traitor or some such? because you know it's going to happen if it hasn't already.

    1. Beowoof

      I am betting on O'Reilly, he is up at 8 tonight and probably needs to get out in front of this story, so the geriatrics watching his horseshit show won't worry about the 60's coming back.

  15. Fawkdifiknow

    I can just about hear the cheering that would ensue at a Republican debate if the part showing the bloodied Iraq war veteran was shown.

  16. Monsieur_Grumpe

    This ex-marine went through who knows what kind of hell for our country only to be blasted in the face while exercising his rights and expressing his frustration with the country.

    Thank Dog we have the best health care in the world. Umm err I mean 32nd in the world. Good luck soldier.

  17. TanzbodenKoenig

    Occupy Oakland's twitter page links to more videos — apparently he was hit in the opening volley from the police and when folks tried to help him a helpful SWAT team member threw a flashbang into the crowd tryin to check if he was alive.

  18. SayItWithWookies

    I don't hear any Republicans crying out about how ugly class warfare is now, for some reason.

  19. PuckStopsHere

    Why don't we shoot some motherfucker in a tri-cornered hat with tea bags hanging off of it? One of ours. 10 of theirs.

    1. PuckStopsHere

      I do mean, of course, that we shoot them with rubber bullets, dowel rods or tear gas canisters.

  20. OneYieldRegular

    There is something seriously, seriously wrong with the police in Oakland. Can we have another Christopher Commission please, now, at the very least?

  21. ifthethunderdontgetya

    By the way, people, Occupy Cleveland had its day in court today and won. Big.

    Occupy Movement Scores Huge Victory in Cleveland After Seeking a Federal Injunction Eliminating Curfew

    The success of the Occupy Cleveland participants in establishing their right to freely assemble and speak may serve as an example for groups facing similar situations in cities across the United States that are also participating in the global Occupy Wall Street movement.


  22. widestanceshakedown

    Is it still too soon for the term, "the government has lost its legitimacy by slaughtering its own citizens"? Here in America, we have to wait much longer than small north African nations to use that phrase.

  23. fuflans

    OT but i just heard steve israel on all things considered (taking out republicans), and man he's good

    and combative.

    we need to hear more from him.

  24. MiniMencken

    Interesting to think what would have been the media reaction is this had happened at a Teabagger rally. This country is seriously leaning in a fascist direction.

    1. SorosBot

      The thing is, if the police had done this at a teabagger rally most liberals, including the hated ACLU, would defend them and be angry at the police; but of course the wingnuts, being themselves pseudo-fascist authoritarians, just laugh.

  25. Beetagger

    Now let's get some more marines out there and have a fair fight with the OPD next time. Cowardly bastards.

  26. owhatever

    Anybody want to bet on which will be the first city to call out the National Guard? Go, demonstrators, go. You're making a difference.

    1. Respitetini

      New York. Our Great Democrat Hope in the State House is 31 flavors of annoyed at this whole redress of grievances thing, and he's already tried to bust it up in Albany. Plus, for some reason or other, Mike Bloomberg isn't exactly thrilled with the movement, either.

      1. Beowoof

        They do seemed to be quite concerned that their Wall Street buddies are being called on their bullshit. And they saw how they took out Elliot Spitzer for liking blow jobs with his socks on.

  27. GeorgiaBurning

    Meanwhile, the pimping and drug deals along International Blvd went on as usual last night, and the city is out whatever it cost to have 500 cops on overtime put on a riot, plus legal fees.

  28. Mojopo

    I see the mayor in Oakland posted something on her FB page about the OPD's peaceful resolution last night. Jean Quan. Check her out. She's partying in DC, scrounging for money probably.

  29. Barrelhse

    The man did two tours of duty in Iraq. He is a brave man.
    The cops shoot at unarmed peaceful protesters in their own country. They are chickenshit fucking pigs.

    1. berkeleyfarm

      And that is about the size of it.

      (My one word reaction to it is SHAME. Yelled in the direction of Oakland City Hall.)

  30. Blueb4sunrise

    A late thread SHOUT OUT [again] to Librarians.
    They kicked ass all through the Bush II years, and long before.

  31. zappadoo76

    Let's not get too syrupy about Olsen's veteran status. Being an ex-fighter in the US imperialist war machine may give him special status with the right, but not with us. No one–not even the patchouliest hippie–deserves what he got.

    BTW, the cops threw a flash bang into the group of people who were trying to help Olsen. Video here.

    1. grex1949

      Scott Olsen's veteran status does speak volumes to the right, which assumes that all former military are Republican-leaning. We are not. Many of us volunteered at a tender age (17 in my case, many years ago) and grew up fast in the military service. We did what we thought was right at the time. Some of us became disillusioned and joined anti-war movements when we came home, most just picked up the pieces and went on with our lives. But we are all individuals

    2. grex1949

      But we are all individuals; generalizations about others are usually worthless, and returning veterans are no exception. Most returning vets request no "special status". (That was a good thing, too, because no special status was offered in the 1970's.) Give the man credit for giving years out of his life for a cause he thought was right. His presence at Occupy Oakland should tell you that his heart is in the right place and that he is courageous. Don't blame him for the sins of the chicken-hawk administration that invaded Iraq, or of the spineless Congress that let it happen.

  32. joeto2

    anyone else annoyed that they yell "MEDIC!" instead of "DOCTOR!"?

    you're not a fucking soldier, you don't have medics. you have (hopefully) doctors.

    1. zappadoo76

      "Doctor!" isn't a call for a doctor. You have to say "Is there a doctor in the house (plane, boat)?" or "We need a doctor here!" That's a mouthful when you are being shot at with rubber bullets, tear-gassed and maced. But everyone knows what "Medic!" means. It's an call for medical assistance, of any kind. Every well organized demonstration has designated "medics"–some are MDs, some not.

      BTW there used to be a teevee series called "Medic." It was about doctors.

  33. Rotundo_

    Is there something from Oakland that we can boycott? Since I don't have the money or time to fly there and do something, at least knowing I can throttle a little money away from them in some sense would be nice. If anyone knows of any economic empires with a headquarters there perhaps we could send them nastygrams. In the meantime the chamber of commerce will have to do, but any suggestions for others are most welcome.

    1. CarnyTrash

      The Clorox corporation is in Oakland. In fact it's located right where all of this is going down

  34. Rotundo_

    Hey Kids! Clorox Bleach and all the household cleaners etc. that are contained within is headquartered in yes, Oakland California! Boycott target acquired? Perhaps!

  35. HarryButtle

    I wish I had amusing snark to lighten the gloom of this story, but I've got nothing but white hot anger to offer. There's something happenin' here, what it is ain't exactly clear…

    1. GeorgiaBurning

      There's battle lines being drawn
      Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
      Young people speakin' their minds
      Getting so much resistance from behind

  36. Katydid

    As long as we're bringing out 60s protest songs…

    Yeah, my blood's so mad, feels like coagulatin',
    I'm sittin' here, just contemplatin',
    I can't twist the truth, it knows no regulation,
    handful of Senators don't pass legislation,
    and marches alone can't bring integration,
    when human respect is disintegratin',
    this whole crazy world is just too frustratin',
    and you tell me over and over and over again my friend,
    ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

  37. rocktonsam

    and in a related story….

    National Guard unit from Oakland refused to get off the airplane after arriving home from 12 months and their 3rd tour ,decided to fly back to Iraq,.

  38. io9k9s

    Can we get a #OCPR class because really that is the worst first aid I have EVER seen – I mean jesus, for a moment I thought i was watching the gadaffi video.

  39. io9k9s

    Goddamn what we need are some genXers/latchkey kids up in this bitch – how the hell did these millenials make it one week tent camping in the middle of a sprawling metropolis – To watch the milling about is maddening didnt you little fuckers ever play kick the can, capture the flag – hide and fucking seek!!!! *sigh*. We are doomed.

  40. aklibtard

    Iranian news is calling OWS, "The American Awakening". PressTV (out of Tehran) was putting footage of Oakland next to footage of Arab Spring protests. Eerily similar.

  41. Badtux

    A former cop tells me that these are standard tear gas grenades, not flash-bang grenades. Tear gas grenades do make a flash and a bang when they explode however.

    BTW, he says "Seeing those cops standing around while someone is injured, laying in the streets, really pisses me off. That is not how a professional police officer reacts, that is how a gang reacts. The Oakland PD is just another California gang." Remember, this is what a *cop* thinks about the Oakland PD…

  42. ragnarok4msm

    ummmm Scott Olsen was the one breaking the law

    BTW – since Olsen professed to hating the Marines and bashing them online, don't you feel used? he has a web site called ihatemarines

  43. Gritless_Canuck

    No. I fling feces at the bitters. To be better you would have to have a little common sense. That is really lacking here.

  44. glamourdammerung

    I know what the First Amendment is and how it applies to a privately run website.

    I have better things to do than troll Big Failure.

    So far, it is 2-0 in my favor. And that is with me being kind and pointing out how common sense and following documented serial liars like Andy Breitbart are not exactly compatible.

  45. Arken

    And saying that it's 'Like watching a retard F'ing a doorknob on this site' doesn't sound bitter at all. Nope.

  46. GhostBuggy

    An upfisting for you, because you are ADORABLE. It seems like it's been so long since there's been a good, old-fashioned troll-cretin 'round these parts.

  47. glamourdammerung

    If I have a "mind of mush", then you must really hate yourself. Because you failed to refute what I stated, so obviously you realize that I am not just more intelligent, but a better person in general than you are.

    Also, I am smart enough to know that being an ass just to "get under someone's skin" is not the same as having a viable political philosophy. And contrary to what you and Breitbart think, every time someone points out how you are liars is not a "score" for you. It is simply someone pointing out you clowns are fools and liars. But since you stated you are simply trolling here, crying about being banned for "an opposing view" is yet more dishonesty and I would hope you will be decent for a change and stop with the crying.

  48. actor212

    Oh no, wait! I get it! You like to watch.

    I can see that…it's late at night, you've got your well-worn DVD Trig Palin Does Lowe's, your best chicken by your side…you just! Go! Nuts!

    Most people who watch porn like to pretend they're in the scenario, but unfortunately can't….ummmm…measure up to the actors, so I guess I sort of feel a little sad for you.

  49. Arken

    Are you really laughing out loud at responses you're seeing on a website? Because that's kind of creepy.

  50. SorosBot

    Considering that the rich CEOs don't actually do anything useful but just make money off of the labor of their employees who do the actual work, we'd do just fine without them.

  51. actor212

    The people who created 90% of the jobs in our history: the middle class.

    You know, the votes whose taxes got cut under Clinton then turned around and provided us with 23 million of 'em? Where the rich got a tax cut ten years ago and we've only created two or three mill…

    Just a, you know, thought.

  52. Biel_ze_Bubba

    I'm sure Wall Street "created" your job, and the job of the grotesquely overpaid boss you report to, but guys like Gates and Jobs, like most creators of businesses that produce useful things, started out middle class. But don't let your cluelessness interfere with your opinions — the GOP is counting on it.

  53. comrad_darkness

    Yeah, the middle class creates jobs by being the customers of the companies that make stuff. The claimed reason companies aren't hiring is because they have no customers. Well, a decade long consumer debt binge probably has something to do with the middle class not being customers anymore. As well as ceo compensation swelling to equal 500x that of an average paid employee, up from 50x during St. Ronnie Reagan's reign. The upper classes are sucking up the salaries of all those people they claim they don't need to hire, the ones who would be customers for all the other companies who claim they don't need to hire.

    90% of employment in the u.s. is in the service sector.
    oh, hell, you don't want any fucking facts. why am I wasting my time?

  54. Guppy

    See, if you hadn't voted to cut sex ed funding, you might have learned that saliva is a disease vector for several STD's. Enjoy your herpes!

  55. Biel_ze_Bubba

    Some retard at Intense Debate entered the adjective re†arded into the filters, but wasn't smart enough to think of the noun.

  56. PhilippePetain

    Well, "disagreeing" in this sense would be sort of like someone "agreeing" with evolution and someone else "disagreeing" with it. Not really a viable posi….

    …..Wait…. you guys believe WHAT?

  57. Biel_ze_Bubba

    It's because certain parties would spend entire afternoons thumbing down each and every post on this board. (Without reading the posts, so you'd get hit too.) Can you guess what board these mindlless cretins are associated with?

  58. glamourdammerung

    I must have missed it in between your earlier crying about "being censored".

    Though laughing at me because I demonstrated you were a liar and a fool is very strange. But whatever floats your boat.

  59. Arken

    Wow. It's like you almost responded to what I said and then decided to just say something random instead.

  60. Biel_ze_Bubba

    Yes, middle-class guys Hollerith (IBM) and Gates created the jobs for those CEOs.

    Now that we have that out of the way, can you explain how cutting the CEO's taxes will lead to more hiring by Microsoft and IBM? (Or do you consider their hiring maids and chauffeurs with the added millions "job creation"?)

    Now see if you can spot the difference: Steve Jobs took a $1 salary, freeing up many millions for Apple to spend on worker salaries and benefits.

  61. BaldarTFlagass

    "I prefer women"

    How would you even know that, Dudley?

    BTW, the creator of your avatar, Jay Ward, was a notorious liberal.

  62. Biel_ze_Bubba

    "And we are very concerned about the size of your P-ness."

    Indeed. I detect a trace of intelligence, and if he lets THAT show on the BrightFart board (or uses big words that they don't understand), it's bound to earn him a lot of downfists.

  63. Biel_ze_Bubba

    Just forgot to give credit, I know. Hope your thesis isn't online.
    I've got no objection to rational CEO pay, by the way. A few of them are even worth it. But tell me why John Paulsen pays 15% tax on a $4 billion payday. Or "earns" $600 million for losing 40% of his clients' money. There are too many of these leeches … what percentage of all the nation's wealth do they have to suck into their private accounts, before you see a problem?

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