OCCUPY OPD  2:46 pm October 25, 2011

500 Riot Cops Attack #OccupyOakland With Tear Gas, Rubber Bullets

by Ken Layne

There's a riot goin' on.What will it be like when America’s tensed-up trigger-finger cops are finally let loose upon the populist demonstrations all over the country? We got a pretty good preview early this morning in Oakland, where the Darth Vader-masked shock troops were set upon the peaceful protesters in their small, peaceful encampment. According to witnesses calling in to KQED, the time between the frenzied megaphone demands that everyone clear out and the assault of “flash grenades and chemical agents” was a matter of maybe three minutes. In the course of mass uprisings, it is always an important factor whether the working class police and military grunts choose the interests of the community or the interests of those hiding within their mansions on the hill.

Here’s what you’re seeing, according to the person who put this video on YouTube:

500 police from 10 departments, tear gas, concussion grenades, rubber bullets, 90+ arrests, both Occupy Oakland camps destroyed (in Oscar Grant Plaza and in Snow Park).

Long live the Oakland Commune!! Reconvene at 4 p.m. today, Oakland Public Library at 14th and Madison.

Well. Here’s the Woody Guthrie of Oakland, Boots Riley of The Coup. He’s been showing up to encourage and entertain at #OccupyOakland since the second or third day:

[Oakland Tribune/Photo via #owsbot]

 

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Schmannnity October 25, 2011 at 2:48 pm

Just win, baby! Oh, wrong sport.

Callyson October 25, 2011 at 3:07 pm

Right slogan, though.

nounverb911 October 25, 2011 at 2:48 pm

In preparation, did the cops review the film from the Bezerkley riots of the 60's?

FNMA October 25, 2011 at 2:48 pm

Chicago '68, maybe?

BerkeleyBear October 25, 2011 at 4:04 pm

No need to go back that far. People's Park flowers into riots every 5-10 years or so. It brings a tear to my eye seeing the rubber bullets fly – memories!

The flashbangs are new, though. Didn't think those would do a lot of good in crowd dispersal, since they mainly blind/stun people.

baconzgood October 25, 2011 at 2:49 pm

Hoooooray for the 1st Amendment.

GuanoFaucet October 25, 2011 at 2:50 pm

Needs more FUCK THE POLICE.

ifthethunderdontgetya October 25, 2011 at 3:14 pm

The police are busy helping the plutocrats, who are busy robbing police pensions.

Shit is fucked up.
~

Swampgas_Man October 25, 2011 at 5:09 pm

Is it Kent State yet?

OC_Surf_Serf_#OLA October 25, 2011 at 2:51 pm

500 police from 10 departments, tear gas, concussion grenades, rubber bullets, 90 arrests

Seriously, how many tax dollars did that fucking cost?? Yet bankers roam free…

Fauxhemian October 25, 2011 at 3:47 pm

I know, right. Bankers not only roam free, but roam free with loads of cash, our cash.

Anyway, here's my contribution to OWS. It's a lot less violent than the stuff on this post. Pass it on. Thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Kr1lHgggU

WunkRocker October 25, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Steverino247 October 25, 2011 at 3:50 pm

I hear free range bankers are pretty tasty…

Occupy V572 October 25, 2011 at 4:16 pm

Well marbled with fat, marinated in fine wines….mmmm good!

mull_man October 25, 2011 at 5:45 pm

Load up, load up, load up with rubber bullets

10cc to the resue

Lascauxcaveman October 25, 2011 at 2:51 pm

Those cops just wanted to scare away the 99%ers so they could scavenge some sweet bongos and weed.

Sue4466 October 25, 2011 at 2:51 pm

And the Constitution wept.

chicken_thief October 25, 2011 at 2:51 pm

San Fran and Oakland, separated by the bay geographically, but by an ocean philosophically and culturally.

BerkeleyBear October 25, 2011 at 4:08 pm

Eh, not so much. SF has had a long history of tearing protestors new assholes. Mayor Jordan went so far as to roust them out of Golden Gate Park for shits and giggles. One problem O-town has (among many) is that it doesn't have a lot of park space so crowds become an issue quicker than in the City. They also have a shitload of violent crime issues to deal with so they tend to have a shorter time line for stuff like this. It isn't a night and day thing.

freakishlywrong October 25, 2011 at 2:52 pm

What's the fucking problem? Peaceable assembly? Redressing of grievances? Fucking ninja cops tear-gassing people and taking down their tents? BBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, cocksukers.

baconzgood October 25, 2011 at 3:23 pm

I'd like to point out how much the cops littered during that…..Did you notice?

Not_So_Much October 25, 2011 at 3:52 pm

Airing of grievances is limited only to the 3-day celebration of Festivus. Any other time will get your ass shot full of rubber bullets, apparently.

PoopFilledSquadCar October 25, 2011 at 2:52 pm

I agree people have a right to freedom of assembly, but get your thumb outta the frame!

Gratuitous World October 25, 2011 at 2:52 pm

are those really police, or just drunk Raiders' fans?!

HogeyeGrex October 25, 2011 at 3:05 pm

yes

berkeleyfarm October 26, 2011 at 1:21 am

Probably both. I would wager that officers from the sheriff's department and a lot of the local smaller-town PDs are among those collecting overtime there. Given economics, a lot of them actually live over the hill in Stockton/Tracy – prime drunk Raider fan turf.

SayItWithWookies October 25, 2011 at 2:53 pm

Hey look — the park was full of dangerous thugs — and they've got uniforms so you can spot them more easily.

berkeleyfarm October 26, 2011 at 1:22 am

An Oaklander friend of mine said, "On the brighter side, most of the OPD is downtown, so if you aren't, your chances of getting shot by the police go way down."

AlterNewt October 25, 2011 at 2:54 pm

"Paging: Neil Young. Please come to the recording studio."

WhatTheHeck October 25, 2011 at 2:54 pm

there's something happinin here
what it is aint exactly clear
theres a man with a gun over there
tellin me i got to beware

Occupy V572 October 25, 2011 at 4:17 pm

Pretty cool that your post appeared directly below the Neil Young page. Crosby? Nash?

DaRooster October 25, 2011 at 2:54 pm

Let's hope these things don't start showing up…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

DashboardBuddha October 25, 2011 at 2:57 pm

only a matter of time, I'm afraid.

WhatTheHeck October 25, 2011 at 3:00 pm

Whatever happened to the good ol skull-cracking police atton?

AlterNewt October 25, 2011 at 3:05 pm

Protesters. They plump when you cook 'em.

DaRooster October 25, 2011 at 3:44 pm

Occupadogs…

Neilist_Returns October 26, 2011 at 12:46 am

One round from a .50 cal. Barrett — or better yet, from a .408 cal. CheyTac — through any part of the wiring on that Piece of Junk and it's Game Over, Nerdboy.

And the effective range of either round is about six times the effective maximum range of that system.

Oh, and it only works line-of-sight – which means it's s perfect target.

Dr. Neilist Von Neilist
Wonkette Division of GeeWhiz WonderWeapons That Can't Work But Are BIG Profit Centers For Defense Contractors

hagajim October 25, 2011 at 2:54 pm

Holy fuck – overkill a little bit ya think?

Maman October 25, 2011 at 2:55 pm

Why don't people learn from history?

Geminisunmars October 25, 2011 at 3:22 pm

History is so — yesterday.

chicken_thief October 25, 2011 at 3:27 pm

Pfft. Edjamucated elitist.

Steverino247 October 25, 2011 at 3:54 pm

Because they're texting about some cute boy or drawing football plays instead of paying attention in class.

Maman October 25, 2011 at 4:03 pm

The leaders of the free world are in the 10th grade with my daughter? That explains alot.

Steverino247 October 25, 2011 at 4:10 pm

Better there than a lot of places you can be if you're a leader of the free world, mom.

glamourdammerung October 25, 2011 at 4:40 pm

Why don't people learn from history?

Because conservatives are so devoted to rewriting it in ways that do not even make sense. See "Hitler was a leftist" for example.

hollywooddood October 25, 2011 at 2:55 pm

Haha, guess who's gonna get extra pissed off now.

flamingpdog October 25, 2011 at 3:15 pm

Zombie Richard Daley?

Geminisunmars October 25, 2011 at 3:23 pm

Me?

SayItWithWookies October 25, 2011 at 4:14 pm

Frank Rizzo?

Monsieur_Grumpe October 25, 2011 at 2:55 pm

Rapping sitar music is the new music of the people.
I bet Pete Seeger approves.

Ken Layne October 25, 2011 at 3:42 pm

I've seen Boots Riley perform with the Coup — the full funk-band version was the best, musically, in 2007 I think? — but this electric sitar setup is new to me. I like.

weejee October 25, 2011 at 2:56 pm

None tanks?

RadioOcupados October 25, 2011 at 2:58 pm

I have just trademarked, Oakland Riots®, and #OccupyOakland®, I'm gonna sue everybody.

elviouslyqueer October 25, 2011 at 2:58 pm

One police officer said that during the plaza camp shutdown, protesters threw several objects at police, including bottles, skillets, other kitchen utensils and rocks. They also "threw plates at us like Frisbees," the officer said. Police confirmed that protesters had set off a fire extinguisher — mistaken at first for a smoke bomb — and several M-180 and M-1000 firecrackers, low-level explosives they used to try to confuse or deter oncoming police.

Seriously? Seriously? Who trains these cops on tactical response? Gordon Ramsey?

MOG2410 October 25, 2011 at 3:18 pm

Outside agitators, clearly.

Chillwaver October 25, 2011 at 3:40 pm

Or his retarded clone, Robert Irvine.

Numbat_Dundee October 25, 2011 at 5:11 pm

Amazing symmetry. Here in Melbourne, Australia, after riot police cleared out OccupyMelbourne, the Lord Mayor who'd ordered the cops in justified his action in a newspaper article for the local Murdoch rag. Among his justifications was the line that the demonstrators were dangerous because their campsite contained knives and bricks and gas bottles.
So, one can only conclude:
WORKERS OF THE WORLD ARISE
GRAB HOLD OF YOUR KITCHEN IMPLEMENTS
WE HAVE A WORLD TO WIN
AND A RULING CLASS TO EAT!

CrunchyKnee October 25, 2011 at 2:59 pm

Did the protesters have guns and Hoverounds? Oh, wait, wrong protest.

grandinquisitor October 25, 2011 at 3:00 pm

This is what democracy looks like?

Banelm October 25, 2011 at 7:31 pm

For a sufficiently small value of democracy, yes?

comrad_darkness October 25, 2011 at 8:49 pm

It looks like Greece, so, um, yeah? What's the metric for democracy these days? I've lost track.

BarackMyWorld October 25, 2011 at 3:00 pm

Any comment from Jerry Brown?

CapnFatback October 25, 2011 at 3:20 pm

No, but Jerry Rice and Tim Brown–the wide receiver tandem of the Oakland Raiders in the early Aughts–have denounced it.

DaRooster October 25, 2011 at 3:47 pm

That is fantabulous…

tessiee October 25, 2011 at 10:32 pm

California uber alles.

Indiepalin October 25, 2011 at 3:01 pm

It's a shame these slugs ain't real.

hollywooddood October 25, 2011 at 3:12 pm

Stop making fun of teabaggers. I saw them protesting dentists and salad with my own eyes.

johnnyzhivago October 25, 2011 at 3:01 pm

All this because someone burned their Bank of America ATM card!

SorosBot October 25, 2011 at 3:01 pm

Oakland must not have any real crime if the city can afford to have the spend their time attacking peaceful protests.

Geminisunmars October 25, 2011 at 3:25 pm

I thought they recently had to fire a bunch of their police force because the city was broke. But they can afford to attack peaceful protestors. Good going.

DaRooster October 25, 2011 at 3:48 pm

Yep, as everyone knows Oakland is mellow like Jello…

tessiee October 25, 2011 at 10:33 pm

Yeah, Jello BIAFRA!!

marinmaven October 25, 2011 at 8:08 pm

Word.
Thank you.
With 95 homicides in Oakland this year so far (last year at this time there were only 66) they pick on peaceful protestors instead of keeping their citizenry safe — doing their jobs. We need to get that burly marine who shamed the NYC cops by saying if they want to fight go to Afghanistan where people are armed, not pick on peaceful protestors.
I'm a girl who always supports firefighters and cops (first responders of all kinds), but these guys and those who sent them need public shaming and an opportunity to go to the Middle Eastern front if you know what I mean.

Gratuitous World October 25, 2011 at 3:01 pm

As long as government doesn't interfere by, say, preventing this tax-avoiding company i own shares in from pumping ethylbenzene into our water supply, we're safe.

Lionel[redacted]Esq October 25, 2011 at 3:01 pm

And this is different from any other night in Oakland, how?

imissopus October 25, 2011 at 3:06 pm

The cops are also beating the shit out of white people.

Lionel[redacted]Esq October 25, 2011 at 3:09 pm

So its more like when the Raiders won the Super Bowl last?

imissopus October 25, 2011 at 3:12 pm

The last time the Raiders won the Super Bowl they were playing in L.A. So probably not.

Lionel[redacted]Esq October 25, 2011 at 3:39 pm

My God, you are right. No wonder Oakland is wound up so tight.

HogeyeGrex October 25, 2011 at 3:09 pm

They arrested white people?

edit: Gah! beaten to it.
*refresh before post*

RadioOcupados October 25, 2011 at 3:16 pm

They smell different?

MOG2410 October 25, 2011 at 3:17 pm

No beer?

Tundra Grifter October 25, 2011 at 3:01 pm

This is the 510 – where a transit cop shot a young man already on the ground and helpless.

OPD doesn't mess around. Look up the Riders debacle.

BerkeleyBear October 25, 2011 at 4:11 pm

Yeah, but that was just a BART cop. Otown would have beat his ass, not shot him.

Tundra Grifter October 25, 2011 at 6:02 pm

BB: From the looks of that video, the OPD would have beat his ass and then shot him. Also.

BerkeleyBear October 25, 2011 at 8:30 pm

Maybe with a rubber bullet. Unless he had a crack vial – then he'd be dead.

AlterNewt October 25, 2011 at 3:02 pm

Please don't let there be any banjos this time.

prommie October 25, 2011 at 3:02 pm

God, that was worse than the Saints vs. the Colts.

Sharkey October 25, 2011 at 3:03 pm

Scary. So California is like the Greece of America? Whodathunk.

AlterNewt October 25, 2011 at 5:25 pm

Φοβερό!

Callyson October 25, 2011 at 3:03 pm

There are people who live right by where the cops rousted everyone: did they really have to do so in the middle of the night, waking everyone up?
Assholes.

El Pinche October 25, 2011 at 3:03 pm

Too bad for the pigs this isn't a bagger protest A seniors-eat-free-at-Golden Corral sign is always great crowd control.

OneDollarJuana October 25, 2011 at 3:04 pm

Remember, it's almost always the police/military overreaction that causes riots.

Actually, I'm a bit surprised there hasn't been more of this already. While there are many good cops, there are many who are authoritarian right-wing thugs. Just like in the military. I have met many cops and soldiers who have clearly gone into law enforcement or the military as much for the legal right to exert forcible authority as for the opportunity to help people. And the MSM portraying the OWS protesters as dirty hippies doesn't help.

MOG2410 October 25, 2011 at 3:17 pm

That's my personal experience, and I was one of the "clean" hippies. heh.

BerkeleyBear October 25, 2011 at 4:17 pm

It gets worse on riot duty/crowd control. The East Bay doesn't really have the cops per capita of say, NYC, so Oakland calls in all the surrounding cities and the Alameda County Sherriff's. Who, if they want (and they usually do) call in the Auxillary, which are by and large a bunch of clods who couldn't make a real police force, aren't trusted with live ammunition but can make mean use of a baton.

Couple that, their fear and anxiety (which they have to overcompensate for) with the shitty attitude of most Bay Area residents to law enforcement (really, really shitty) and you have a recipe for, well, this. I've seen it first hand. I'm sure there were people mouthing off to the cops right up to the moment they got charged – not that they deserved it, but not exactly a good way to handle the situation on either side.

ApplesauceRobot October 25, 2011 at 3:08 pm

OTOH, "KQED" FTW.

Allmighty_Manos October 25, 2011 at 3:08 pm

Smithers … Release the hounds!

BTWBFDIMHO October 25, 2011 at 3:09 pm

And they get paid overtime for doing that. Nice.

slowhansolo October 25, 2011 at 3:09 pm

I'm sure that was unsatisfying for most of those peace officers, nothing more than a pale imitation of the fun in Fallujah. I mean, how can they stay sharp when this is the best the opposition can offer?

Eve8Apples October 25, 2011 at 3:10 pm

Those fuckin' cops should watch the old black and white news footage of the southern civil rights protests. No rational person ever watches that footage and says, "Gee, I'm sure proud of how the white pigs dealt with those peaceful protestors."

SayItWithWookies October 25, 2011 at 3:23 pm

If they watched them, the only thing they'd come away with is "Hey — dogs and firehoses!"

BerkeleyBear October 25, 2011 at 4:18 pm

I dunno, I got a secret hunch Herm Cain might. And I'm sure Haley Barbour does.

magic_titty October 25, 2011 at 3:11 pm

I'm certain there's a song by Oakland native Too Short that encapsulates this barbaric display of police violence. And Invasion of Flat Booty Bitches might just be it.

Callyson October 25, 2011 at 3:11 pm

From the Oakland Tribune:
As hundreds of officers surrounded the camp, several protesters sneaked behind City Hall and pulled out some police barricades that had apparently been left out, using them to protect the camp, said Max Allstadt, a West Oakland resident who had gone down to the camp to see what would happen Tuesday morning.
"They also snagged the City Hall Christmas wreath and used that as a barrier," Allstadt said. The 14-foot wreath had also been apparently left out, Allstadt said.
Christmas wreaths and barricades? Come on, Occupy Oakland, where were the guillotines?

chicken_thief October 25, 2011 at 3:37 pm

So in Oakland they did in minutes from random material what TX and AZ haven't been able to do in 200 yrs with millions spent? Not that I am in favor of the danged fence, but Occupy Oakland folks make it look easy.

SorosBot October 25, 2011 at 4:07 pm

Why does Oakland have a City Hall Christmas wreath in October?

tessiee October 25, 2011 at 10:45 pm

Why not?
Labor Day is over, it's high time for the stores to put out all the red and green crap-olla and the bible nuts to whine if somebody says "Season's Greetings".

BerkeleyBear October 25, 2011 at 4:21 pm

See, the most telling part of that to me is that the source is a sight-seeing local. Riots really are a spectator sport in the Berkeley Bay Area. Unfortunately, the spectators tend to side with the rioters, which in turn makes the cops even jumpier. One thrown bottle from behind and suddenly the spectators are fair game for the cops.

bureaucrap October 25, 2011 at 3:15 pm

It's probably cold comfort to the protestors right now, but OPD probably just increased the number of protesters regrouping this afternoon ten-fold. God knows I would be there if it weren't on the other side of the country. Probably 1/4 of UC Berkeley and 1/4 of adult San Francisco will join up after this.

BerkeleyBear October 25, 2011 at 4:29 pm

Your numbers might be a little high. Cal undergrads are a lot less political than you think. Or at least they were when I was there – we liked watching riots, but generally left the actual rioting to the homeless people and semi-pro agitators who seem to congregate in Berkeley. A lot of students talk a good game, but midterms are coming up, don't you know? And they have to find a way over there, and that means going to downtown Oakland, which is such a scary place after dark. And who is going to take notes in Bio if they go to the riots. And if they go now, will they get back in time for this week's UCLA SoCal roadtrip. And if they get caught, their parents will be sooooo pissed.

There will be some uptick, but I'd expect more day tripping looky loos than anything else. Or a "solidarity protest" on the Plaza that only attracts a couple hundred students unless free pizza is offered.

MOG2410 October 25, 2011 at 3:16 pm

I can smell the tear gas from here, so 60's. And you remember how THAT worked out.

comrad_darkness October 25, 2011 at 8:54 pm

So, you are suggesting everyone attending Kent State should wear a flak jacket?

Goonemeritus October 25, 2011 at 3:16 pm

The part of human nature that most saddens me is that logical argument in peaceful assembly rarely win the day. What wins the day are peaceful protestors being ruffed up by agents of the Government. If government is tolerant and even supportive in their public response movements peter out.

Swampgas_Man October 25, 2011 at 5:18 pm

But in this case, the "government" is being egged on, if not outright commanded, by the 1%, who rightly see this sort of thing as directly against them. That's like asking Louis XVI to shake hands w/ Robespierre.

prommie October 25, 2011 at 3:17 pm

General Strike? Did I hear someone say general strike? Why the fuck have I not heard anyone say general strike? Oh, thats right, because the US is divided by so many bitter hatreds that only 3% would strike, and by doing so, would identify themselves to those who would harm them. Oh well.

Ken Layne October 25, 2011 at 3:45 pm

It takes what, 2% of the 10% of the Early Adopters in any social scene to direct the acceptable action. So, no general strike today and probably not until after Christmas when another whole bunch of people lose their jobs. And you know what is nice in the cold ass winter when you're out on the street? Fires.

prommie October 25, 2011 at 3:54 pm

Well, I do like your optimism, and I hope I am invited when the time comes to man the barricades.

El Pinche October 25, 2011 at 3:18 pm

Next MSM pundidiot excuses facism in action as "the cops are tired and frustrated" can suck a dog dick.

donner_froh October 25, 2011 at 5:13 pm

No kidding. The next time I am tired, frustrated and not happy with my job I want to be able to beat up the people who are pissing me off.

Monsieur_Grumpe October 25, 2011 at 3:19 pm
chicken_thief October 25, 2011 at 3:43 pm

That's awesome! Necessity truly is the mother of invention.

baconzgood October 25, 2011 at 3:21 pm

Worst remake of Kate & Leopold EVAR!

YouBetcha October 25, 2011 at 3:23 pm

I'd drive up there and help out, but…who am I kidding? Sorry, Oakland, you're on your own. Next time, throw 'em off by flashing some boob*. Or something.

*Disclaimer: The foregoing is not intended to be legal advice, and may result in your arrest for indecent exposure.

poncho_pilot October 25, 2011 at 3:28 pm

aggravated indecent exposure, even.

MissTaken October 25, 2011 at 3:26 pm

Happy Bay Area Protest Day! Downtown SF is filled with the Prez in town for a fundraiser tonight, too.

MrFizzy October 25, 2011 at 3:28 pm

Can anyone say "Kent State"?

Wilcoxyz October 25, 2011 at 3:29 pm

Should have seen this coming. Remember how crazy the cops and ATF officers got when people protesting healthcare reform brought automatic weapons to rallies.

Dok-cupy Everything October 25, 2011 at 10:27 pm

That's a totally unfair bit of liberal propaganda, and just the sort of misleading lie I'd expect to see in a filthy left-wing source like The Wonket!

They were semi-automatic weapons.

WeHaveIssues October 25, 2011 at 3:36 pm

Has that certain Blade Runner look… unless the cops are getting 1% paychecks, they're pointing their guns in the wrong direction. Shoot the innocents? On a more practical level, they're breaking-up their overtime pay cash cow. #OWS – Jobs for America!

MonsterAGoGo October 25, 2011 at 3:57 pm

They get paid by the 1%, why would they protect the 99%? Little people don't matter.

GorzoTheMighty October 25, 2011 at 3:37 pm

Give them a wiff of the grapeshot Smithers. The peasants are revolting. Call in the Ghurkas and their long knives.

Cicada October 25, 2011 at 3:51 pm

The craziest police response I've ever personally witnessed was in Oakland too. They tried to cordon off an anti-war demonstration at the port, and when people didn't instantly disperse (they seriously gave hundreds of people one minute to leave) they started firing rubber bullets and other projectiles. I didn't get hit, but a friend we came with was hit in the back and the back of his head by rubber bullets and had huge welts that bled. Those things break bones, and they aren't meant to be fired at the head.

The thing that people who haven't been in this type of situation don't understand is that the police don't always give you clear instructions and a chance to leave before firing. They sure as hell didn't in Oakland. There was mass confusion and panic, and the police seemed more interested in running us down than keeping the situation peaceful and under control.

It's hard to not just think "Fuck the pigs" when shit like this happens. I try to remind myself that most police are just doing their jobs and that most police want a peaceful outcome. But fuck, man, fuck.

MonsterAGoGo October 25, 2011 at 3:59 pm

If I saw any police stanidng there hesitate or refuse to go on this sort of duty perhaps I would say most police want a peaceful outcome. But I see no Serpicos in any of these mobs of thugs.

Cicada October 25, 2011 at 4:08 pm

Like I said, it's hard. I imagine that these situations are worse because the cops are being sent in specifically to be adversarial. The second video in the ones posted has a police officer who calmly talks to one of the protesters. She isn't beating him down for stating his objections, and is clearly defining what he needs to do. That's how the police are supposed to behave, even if I don't agree with the objective.

BerkeleyBear October 25, 2011 at 4:37 pm

Most cops on crowd control, from what I've seen, want to go home. The rioters are the impediment to doing that. It isn't about wanting a "peaceful outcome" but just an outcome. Doesn't take much from that mindset for the rioters to become the enemy. And in most cases, someone says or does something that gives them all the excuse they need to wade into the crowd.

Cicada October 25, 2011 at 4:50 pm

I wish a peaceful outcome was the objective, but I imagine you're right. And yes, there will usually be someone who will give them an "excuse" to wade into the crowd. Then again, this is why many people dislike and mistrust the police. If you have a gun, and tear gas, and concussion grenades and the power to arrest people, you shouldn't use excuses to make a situation worse.

Steverino247 October 25, 2011 at 4:01 pm

So, let's call out the CA National Guard to protect the Occupiers from the OPD and their nine PD allies, shall we? Go Jerry, go!

mavenmaven October 25, 2011 at 4:07 pm

Taking back Merka- to Ohio, 1970

BaldarTFlagass October 25, 2011 at 4:19 pm

I wonder if this would have happened back when Jerry Brown was mayor.

Cicada October 25, 2011 at 4:22 pm

Sure it would have. All of the cops would have been wearing suede and denim, of course. California, Uber Alles!

tessiee October 25, 2011 at 10:57 pm

*highly indignant*
That's not funny!
I actually HAVE an uncool niece!

mrblifil October 25, 2011 at 4:28 pm

THANK YOU SIR MAY I HAVE ANOTHER?

Antispandex October 25, 2011 at 4:36 pm

I still say we have come a long way. There was a time when the bullets wouldn't have been rubber.

ChrisM2011 October 25, 2011 at 4:53 pm

All the more clearer why we're bringing the troops back from Iraq: To fight hippies on the homefront.

lochnessmonster October 25, 2011 at 5:07 pm

The old hippies from the 60's are afraid of the youngsters?

donner_froh October 25, 2011 at 5:12 pm

It seems that the streets still don't belong to the people. Hardly surprising.

Old peoples like me thought we had a chance for fundamental change in the late 1960s and early 1970s but there is much more at stake now, like the collapse of capitalism into fascism.

We need to do better this time.

fishskicanoe October 26, 2011 at 12:13 am

Yes we do. What we need is some philosophy to give capitalism a run for its money. For all its faults and horrors Leninism made the capitalist countries at least attempt to keep the standard of living of the lower classes above the level of mere subsistence… above the level the Leninist governments provided. Now, with capitalism free to evolve to its natural state, people, the country and the planet itself are reduced to mere things to be bought and sold by the powerful. I cry for my country. And I'm way to old to be crying about anything.

Mort_Sinclair October 25, 2011 at 5:45 pm

I love the smell of freshly polished jackboots in the morning.

owhatever October 25, 2011 at 6:03 pm

Who hit the damned replay button on my life? I've seen this show a number of times. Establishment unable to see a problem. Send cops to bash heads. Protesters win.

fitley October 25, 2011 at 6:31 pm

It's nice that the cops got to use rubber bullets. Tear gas is so un-rewarding. At least in their peanut brains they can fantasize that they're actually killing people. I mean hows a pig supposed to bust a nut these days?

rocktonsam October 25, 2011 at 7:32 pm

sentimental affection for cops ended 10 years ago.
along with administration and politicians.

keep up the best behavior kiddos.
this our country TOO! also.

ttommyunger October 25, 2011 at 8:59 pm

The morons that conceived of this operation are playing right into OWS's hand. I know, it sounds crazy, but they are. No snark.

berkeleyfarm October 26, 2011 at 1:31 am

It could unite Oakland. The catch for the po-po is, of course, not in the way they anticipated.

MilwaukeeKent October 25, 2011 at 9:42 pm

Perhaps the cops need a motivational speech from Sgt. Shamar Thomas.

Negropolis October 25, 2011 at 11:21 pm

Didn't Gandhi have something to say about situations like this?

Honestly, I've seen one person going through here trying to inject nuance in every response, but what it really comes down to is that this is not how you handle a peaceful protest.

berkeleyfarm October 26, 2011 at 1:30 am

Fuck you very much, OPD. You can't send officers on patrol "due to budget cuts". Crime, violent and non, is way up "due to lack of police". But you can find the bodies,and the money to pay the bodies, to beat up on a few neo- and not-so-neo-hippies sleeping in the plaza. It takes a real big man to beat up on college kids. I know you wanted to do it, because if you'd really wanted them to clear out peacefully, you would have given them more than 3 minutes' warning. Shame on you all for cowards.

berkeleyfarm October 26, 2011 at 1:37 am

In non-outrage trivia, I did a double-take when I saw my former office building on the Wonkette! Third floor of the modern one on the right.

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