We are beginning to wonder if Herman Cain actually understands what “policy positions” actually are. Here is Herman Cain explaining to CNN’s Piers Morgan that he believes there should be “abortion under no circumstances” like a dutiful Republican drone, but when Morgan presses him on whether he would force a daughter or granddaughter to carry a pregnancy to term after being raped, he explains that he is against the government having a say in the matter, a position widely known as “pro-choice.” So which is it?
BLARRR, words! Hypotheticals! Confusing! Is this one of those “gotcha” questions? Can’t it just be both? Yes, both. Herman Cain is both for and against abortion, as long as the government has nothing to do with it.
From the interview:
MORGAN: But you’ve had children, grandchildren. If one of your female children, grand children was raped, you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own?
CAIN: You’re mixing two things here, Piers?
MORGAN: Why?
CAIN: You’re mixing –
MORGAN: That’s what it comes down to.
CAIN: No, it comes down to it’s not the government’s role or anybody else’s role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you’re not talking about that big a number. So what I’m saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make.
Not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn’t have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue.
Ha ha, he probably borrowed that last line from a NARAL Pro-Choice press release. Retraction in 3…2…1… [YouTube via Daily Intel]
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So… he was for abortion, before he was against it?
All of them, Katie.
Guess you hafta walk a mile in his
shoesflip-flops.A mile? He didn't even get across the room.
Actually, he was against abortion, until he was for it.
No, I'm pretty sure he was against all abortions until he was for letting some women have a choice, but only if they choose life. But it's a child, not a choice, and the government shouldn't interfere, except to ensure that all Americans, born or unborn, have the right to life. And freedom from government interference in their lives.
Hey, would you like to hear me sing? I have a great baritone.
They all want small government, but one big enough to have its tentacles up the lady parts of every girl and woman in 'Murka.
Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your manga.
I’m not against tentacles per se, but government tentacles!?! Shudder.
No, no, no he's against abortions for you people. He's perfectly fine with abortions for his own friends and family.
Herm Cain wants to abort black babies!
"The Government should not be involved in my family's decisions. As for other families: Fuck them!"
That has always been the GOP politician stance
Oh? I thought that was "wide."
He is pro-choice for him and his family, but pro-life for everybody else. He knows exactly what "policy positions" are. They are rules for others. There is no inconsistency to his position. He is above any rules he might make for others. What could be simpler?
Works for the Palins.
LACK OF PERIOD BLOOD LIBEL.
He was against abortion for a full two seconds before he was for it.
No, he was before he was before it before he was for it.
Get that straight, wouldja?
He's for it and against it.
It's more that he was against it, while he was for it.
Apples = what's good for me.
Oranges = rational, consistent policy.
You can't mix 'em!
Some might call that fruit salad, but someone might think that was gay, which obvs you can change that like your shirt.
It's like mixing pineapple and ham. An abomination.
On a pizza, to be sure. Here’s the menu from Herman’s Springfield IL store. Click on "Speciality Pizzas" to read about Hawaiian, Bacon Cheeseburger, Taco, and 5-meat pizzas. Mmm-mm good!
Hey… baconzgood!
That location just sucks. Went there once with friends. Actually felt bad for the server since they had absolutely no one else in the place on a weekend evening. And Springfield is not a discriminating food town – home of the birthplace of the corndog according to local legend, as well as the horseshoe sandwich (toast, meat, fries, cheese sauce all in a stack).
Thanks for the warning. Next time I'm in Springfield (which would be the first) I'll be sure to avoid it.Sent from my iPad
Cain/ Fruit Salad 2012
They have identical IQs, interestingly.
Needs more flip-flops.
When he retracts his statement, Romney will call him a flip flopper.
Then he'll call him a flop-flipper.
As Mitt lays a condescending hand on his shoulder.
And calls him "brother".
That was Perry. Romney'll start singing, "Who Let the Dogs Out Woof! Woof!" for no apparent reason.
But Romney will retract his flip flopper criticism by the next day.
I think I gonna wait for the flow chart.
Imma gonna wait for the flip-flowp chart.
Won't help. Romney's flow charts are all so circular you just wind up where you started.
Wait for the venn diagram, it'll all make sense.
Republican candidates. People who can't find their dick in a dark room. Just one circle.
"Abortions for all.
(Boo)
Very well, no abortions for anyone.
(Boo)
Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others."
-Herman Kang-
Abortions for mine, but not for thine.
Kind of a 9 weeks pregnancy for his daughters, a 9 month pregnancy for everyone else, and a 9% sales tax on the cost of the abortion.
This deserves at least nine extra fists.
Brilliant.
Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos.
"Herman Kang"
Okay, you've won the week.
Herman Cain would propose a law banning laws? He's a tea partier, but more the Mad Hatter than the Boston type.
"he explains that he is against the government having a say in the matter,"
Do as I say, not as I do?
More or less. Or, more accurately, "do not expect me to follow rules I enforce on you."
She wouldn't have to get an abortion, she could just get a D&C, Dan Quail explained all this years ago. Rich girls don't need to get abortions, they can just go on a trip to europe.
Exactly. And this is how it would be if Roe v. Wade is reversed. White, Republican women will always have access to abortion. And to hell with everyone else.
But, oh, right, none of those women would ever find themselves in a position to need an abortion, and not one of them in the history of mankind has ever had one. Right.
Yup, no abortions, just "some woman's issues," a raised eyebrow, discreet rumours in the club, "you know that trip to Sweden, well I heard . . . "
Please explain how this relates theologically to the difference between an annulment and a divorce.
There you go with the semetics.
I predict an upcoming plotline on that new "Pan Am" show.
Do you get the feeling that these writers watch 'Mad Men' and their only reaction is, "Gee, wasn't it great when men could openly treat women like shit!"
But only really good looking men. Because the ugly ones get stabbed with a convenient carving fork.
I must have missed that episode.
That's not what "Pan Am" is about, from what I've seen. It's more intrigue, international travel, and young women trying to get what they can out of life in 1963. You can't do 2 decades of social change in a handful of episodes!
Dusting N Cleaning?
jesus christ, this fucking guy…
That's really all that can be said, isn't it?
I say that every time I subject my liver to a debate drinking game.
Actually, among my friends it's more like "Who let this ni**a get in front of a microphone?"
Stupidity like his has to be savored like a fine wine.
…this guy here, is not the guy. Not ever.
Its hard to be a libertarian and an authoritarian at the same time. Expecially if your stoopid.
Nah, most Libertarians are authoritarians; see Ron Paul. They also tend to be crazy.
Liberty = I get what ever I want, you , not so much. Me and old Herb are old enough to remember why abortions were legalized. Rich women had access to safe abortions, all other women did not. It was a simple matter of discrimination.
Forbidding the unworthy from access to things that the rich have is a core principle of his party.
Kind of like voting soon will be, you mean?
It's actually kind of heartening to see someone learning right in front of our eyes.
I'll give him credit for actually listening to the questions and answering. His short term memory doesn't allow for him to make any connections between one answer and the next, however . . .
He's pro-lifechoice, so no problem there.
His favorite number is threve.
Favorite color: breen.
You make it sound so Scientological.
Clear as pizza sauce.
Actually, those weren't intended as factual statements. Actually, they weren't intended as statements at all. Actually, they were never stated. Actually….
[Go directly to "Spend More Time with Family." Do not pass go.]
And I was so looking forward to him being the GOP nominee.
He still can be, just for a lower level position.
Is pizza delivery guy an elected office?
Dont make me no nevermind. S' long as they learn to cook the grits and slop them hogs.
Wow. Are we seeing our first clinically insane presidential candidate?
No.
Good lord, no. There were about six of the on the podium the other night.
Boy, Michele is going to be pissed when she hears Cain stole her trail-blazing thunder.
What does Michele Bachmann have to do to prove to you that she's got the real krazee?
I don't know, but I'm willing to bet we'll find out soon enough.
One word: Bachmann.
Perhaps you're too young to remember George Wallace and his veep candidate, Curtis (Bomb-them-back-to-the-Stone-Age) Lemay in that magical year of 1968.
And Cain isn't nuts. It's just that no one has ever asked him hard questions before, or remembered any of his previous answers. This is the way life is in CEO Land. Remember that Herman isn't plucky some store owner who built a chain from a single outlet — he comes from Big Junk Food, which can persuade people to buy and eat literally anything if they advertise it enough. It's a subsidiary of Big Consumer Product, which can persuade everyone to lather, rinse and repeat.
I did not know LeMay was Wallace's running mate. In the documentary The Fog of War, Robert McNamara explains that he learned everything he knew about military strategy from LeMay, who he worked for in WWII. After planning to bomb Tokyo with incendiary bombs, LeMay told McNamara "If we lose this war, we're going to be hanged as war criminals." It's all tied together.
Cain-LeMay's corpse '12!
Lemay was a legend in the Air Force, and probably not at all insane – just a product of his time. His true genius was to seize control not only of the long-range bombers and intercontinental ballistic missiles that comprised Strategic Air Command, but also the intelligence resources (satellites, SR-71s, U2s, etc). So he defined the threat, and told the president directly (SAC was a “specified command” reporting straight to POTUS, the only one of its kind) what he would need to meet the threat.
Has someone forgotten the 90s and Ross Perot's third-party runs?
The VP who at the debate asked what he was doing there? Had the same look as Perry during a debate, come to think of it.
Yeah, but everyone felt sorry for Veep Candidate Sargent Schultz. Not so much Perry.
Baldar, are you so young you have forgotten about Ronald Reagan?
Wait wait wait! I meant of this election.
Nope. And if elected, he wouldn't be the first clinically insane president, either. I am referring, of course, to the deeply paranoid "If I don't say anything, maybe they won't know I'm here" Calvin Coolidge. Bush was just fucking retarded.
I have to agree with Cain here. To put it in his owns terms, it isn't a pizza until it comes out of the oven.
And the government shouldn't be telling you whether to have pepperoni or mushroom & onion … or something.
Except when the gubmint says "Hold the anchovies." Then it's ok because a lot of people don't like anchovies. Though I happen to love 'em.
I come not to bury Caesar, but to praise his Salad.
And don't be blaming no rapists or Wall Street or nothing. It's your own damn fault. And look to the White House, cause it's all Obama's fault! Or something. 999!
When it comes to rape, it's always the woman's or child's fault. What did you expect, walking around with those irresistible orifices?
(I know, men get raped, too. And the ones that do get even less sympathy or police response, if that's possible.)
Does Godfather's put apples and oranges on pizza? Cuz that sounds disgusting.
No changing your order once it's in the oven! It's not just a mass of dough and meat and cheese, it's a pizza from the moment of conception.
Poor Herman. He just throws himself out there, aghasts interviewers with his ignorance and surges in the polls.
aghasts interviewers with his ignorance
In other words, he is a perfect Republican.
With real estate, it's location, location, location. With candidates, it's audience, audience, audience.
We are beginning to wonder if Herman Cain actually understands what “policy positions” actually are.
This is what it took for you to wonder about his grasp of "policy" positions? Lol.
"Policy positions" are "rules for others". That's what Piers was missing.
Hey! I thought he was supposed to be the non-Romney. Stop your flippin' flippin.
And Herman plays the "gotcha questions press" in 3…2…
"I'm not going to reply to these questions about Aborty-borty-borty-stan-stan"
Do you know who the president of Vagi-Vagi-Vagi-Hoo-Haa is?
Like Herman said in the last debate:
"All I want to say is that… Rep. Paul is partly right but he is mixing problems here. There is more than one problem here. Look, the people, the bank… Yes, the banks and the businesses on Wall Street, yes! The way that was admin-administered was not right. But my point is this… What are the people who are protesting want from bankers? On Wall Street. To come downstairs and write them a check? This is what we don't understand. Take go and get to the source of the problem, is all I'm saying."
That is all he is saying, people. Seriously… That is pretty much his answer to every fucking question.
They can write me a check. I'm good with that.
Fuck yeah!
He is Palin-esque in his coherence.
Not as shrill, though.
Tell us what you want, so we know exactly what we're saying "no" to.
Cain must be fluent in Esperanto
Ummm…translation? I don't speak Delivery Guyanese/Pizzavanian.
You may not wear flip flops at the Waffle King.
Citizen Cain is that a rosebud sticking out of your ass?
It looks like the right hand doesn't know what the far-right hand is doing.
Hey! That's a Reagan quote!
See, his daughter is an apple and those other women are oranges.
There's a simple explanation: Cain is a hypocritical, lying moron.
Well, at a minimum, he sure as hell doesn't know what he's talking about.
You didn't know he was a Republican?
Now that I've actually watched the clip, that has got to be a land speed record for fastest U-turn ever.
His next restaurant venture: Cain's Waffle House
"I approve of a woman's right to choose between any of the options I have taken away from them."
Thanks…Hermie…see how sensible you sound when you are not shackled by the GOP meme?
He always has been pro-choice. Thick or thin crust?
Raging
FeministLunatic Herman Cain – There – fixed.Just another hi-tech lynching is what it is!
Tricksy liberals!
Herm is against abortions, and against government.
That the government would have to get into the lady-parts regulatin' bizness more than it already is to ban abortions is a fact.
And every fool knows that facts are cheating, lieberal doohickeys, so get the fuck out.
Build
the dang electric fence!!!!
~
any use of tricksy gets an up-P from me.
Does Hermie's electric fence trump Michele's dual fence with free fire zone in the middle or is he going to have to up the ante?
Oh, I love ya for posting that!! My favorite Ren & Stimpy ever!
Keeping the Government out of wimmenz hoo-hahs, one misstep at a time.
In the department of Laws I'd Like To See: The Hoo-Haw Act of 2012.
You libs just don't get it. He never indicated he was pro abortion.
he would kill said female child. After all, she is an adult and it's all right to kill her. The whore was probably asking for it anyway.
He'd probably invoke castle doctrine while doing it.
Recording messages on their home answering machines?
Is that the White Kasul doctrine?
"So what I’m saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make."
Isn't this basically pro-choice as defined in the fucking dictionary…the Godfather is looking more and more the moran all the time. Next thing you know he's gonna be talkin' 'bout Paul Revere and the British takin' guns and stuff.
Shit for brains has shit for brains.
The guy isn't human, he's some sort of animatronic hooked up to the Cleverbot program. That exchange makes absolutely no sense, but it's exactly what a conversation with Cleverbot sounds like.
Somebody should ask him something like "Do you oppose Unicorns serving in the military" and see if he tries to give a straight answer.
How do you feel about "oppose Unicorns serving in the military"?
BTW, Cain better change his voicemail password from 1-2-3 to something else today!!!
Bet he changes it to 9-9-9.
That Piers,,,whatever…French Guy, was putting his frenchy words in Cain's mouth. NOT FAIR!
that is so gay!
King Solomon would have just said to split the baby in half, which is why King Solomon was wise. Herb Cain, you're no King Solomon.
Pailin! From Hell's heart I stab at thee!!!!!
–Herb Caen, 1916-1997
CAIN: You’re mixing two things here, Piers?
Yes, an absolute idiot with a serious, consequential policy debate. Don't do that.
Its like gin, and vermouth. Mixing two things.
But that mixture is a good thing.
I prefer gin and Roses Lime juice but this is a point upon which two reasonable men may differ.
All he needs is to ride into Fox studios on a Rascal(tm) brand scooter and he's got the teabagger vote lock, stock and barrel, even tho he is a "colored."
Bye, bye, Herm.
Between Romney's "I'm running for office, for Pete's sake…illegal aliens…" and Cain's choice/no-choice gaffe, this would be a pretty good day for Rick Perry, but he'll probably f*#k it up and say something ineffably stupid, because, well, that's all he's got.
Women are only allowed 9 abortions in their lifetime, within 9 months of conception, for $9 each.
nice one.
Thank you! I'm blushing!
Thank you for explaining that. I wasn't sure what 9-9-9 meant (other than a possible symbol of an upside down antichrist or "Nine pizzas with nine toppings for nine dollars")
The man is a fucking moran.
I begin to suspect Cain of being a Messican. Long form birf certifikate. He is a funny color. Also. Too.
Never mind Cainny, the damage is not deep…just show up at some NRA rally, clutch a bazooka, raise it high and rant stuff about some Kenyan-mooslins coming for our guns…and all would be forgiven…
You misunderstand him. It's not the "government’s role or anybody else’s role to make that decision" to rape his daughter or granddaughter.
10-to-1 that's is how this is spun by the Godfather.
Unless his daughter is Iraqi.
9 to 9 to 9 to 1.
I keep thinking this guy ran a pretty big company and had a fairly important job at the Fed so he can't possibly be as big an idiot as he seems. But Herm Cain is making me a believer.
He has a b.s. in math and a masters in computer science, and worked in ballistics for the Navy. Challenging degrees go in, improvised bullshit comes out, always a miscommunication. Who can explain it?
brain tumor?
Objection. Assumes fact – "brain" – not in evidence.
He's been in Executive offices too long – he's not used to anyone questioning what he says. So when he says something which goes along with the Republican's goofy lines and then tries to say something logical those statements tend to trip over each other.
And yet such simple incongruities elude his grasp.
He might be good at judging people. People can get ahead and skate a loooong time on that one skill with a bit of luck along side.
Okay. Herman (999 except when it's 816) Cain is an idiot. What is missing from his campaign are the racist insults that the Tea Baggers and Republicans heap upon President Obama. The watermelon, fried chicken, Sambo jokes, slurs, monkey pictures and the ever-popular use of the N word. What, those same rubes have not yet noticed that Cain is a black man?
Cain is no longer black. Larry Wilmore pulled his card last night. http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-19-...
But he's one of the good ones. Not like those rabble-rousers from the North.
Damn those outside agitators!
What's this you say about alligators?
So you are pro-life?
Yes, it is a women's choice.
So, you're pro-choice.
Yes, abortion is a crime against God.
Wait what is it, pro-choice or pro-life
Yes.
Abbott and Costello couldn't have scripted this better.
Gaaah! The stupid, it starts ro hurt one's ears after awhile.
Stupidity all the way around. It looked like maybe Cain was trying to say that it's the family's decision to keep the kid or put it up for adoption, but of course he is too dumb to make that clear. And Morgan is too dumb to press the guy on the hypocrisy of Cain apparently contradicting himself in the space of seconds, and too dumb to probe and find out exactly what Cain means.
Morgan is not paid big bucks to ask tough questions! Even if he was capable of asking incisive questions, that's not why he's there.
Well what is his fucking purpose?
Two words : tongue baths.
The first (and last) time I watched Piers Morgan, I thought his entire show could be replaced by a gif of Piers on his knees blowing a generic celebrity figure.
He was another show recently where he gave the same kind of answers, so I'm pretty sure he's talking about abortion (as opposed to adoption).
To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself — that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink.
I see what you did there.
So really, he is a zen master?
This is so unfair. How will the Republicans ever find a candidate if you actually hold them to whatever spewed out of their mouth just seconds before. No one held Reagan to that standard!!!!
Of course, Herman Cain then went on that the only form of abortion that he is in favor of involves and eletrified fence.
And then retracted it seconds later, saying it was a joke.
A joke he then repeated the next day, saying "It's not a joke, I'm serious about this…" Like he's a character from a bad SNL skit.
I thought Sarah wasn't running?
"That decision is between Becky-Becky and Stan-Stan, Piers!"
Typical GOPeer position: No abortion for those sluts. But of course abortion should be an option for my fill-in-the-blank mistress, daughter, etc.
"The Only Moral Abortion is MY Abortion"
well that's disturbing.
Yes, but it's not like you coudn't see it coming.
Haha yes. When I worked at a clinic we used to try to foist the anti-abortion patients off on each other. I once had a woman tell me that what I did was disgusting while filling out her consent forms for her second trimester abortion. She had only waited so long because she was morally conflicted, unlike all of the other patients (those hussies!) at our clinic. We usually got around one vocal anti-abortion patient a week . It's a bizarre phenomenon.
The hypocrisy of the pro-life movement has been obvious for quite some time. Ever since they developed in-vitro tests for diseases like Down's Syndrome, the abortion rate for these cases was over 90%. Pro-life people make a big show of their morality, but when they're faced with a difficult decision, they have the abortion all the same:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2008/09/do...
All Herman Cain is saying is that he would personally never have an abortion.
But in the rare case that he needed one, it would be a personal decision.
i don't know about any of this, but i would like to know more about the 'iron elves' series.
Another sci-fi/fantasy Lady-Fan?! Where were all of you when I was in high school in the '70s?!
Oh, Chet, on that topic… if you haven't read Jo Walton's Among Others, get yourself to a bookstore or library and grab it. Easily the best SF novel I've read all year, and it's all about coming of age and reading SF…and about saving the world with the help of fairies and magic, incidentally.
Thanks for the rec Dok.
A nice little excerpt, which gives a hint of the 15-year old narrator's voice (like Walton, she's a geeky Welsh kid at an English boarding school in 1979, surrounded by preppie girls who think reading is weird):
I sat on the bench by the willows and ate my honey bun and read Triton. There are some awful things in the world, it’s true, but there are also some great books. When I grow up I would like to write something that someone could read sitting on a bench on a day that isn’t all that warm and they could sit reading it and totally forget where they were or what time it was so that they were more inside the book than inside their own head.
They sure weren't noticeable in the '80s either … now they're everywhere.
It's a choice. You should choose to abort the incest/rape child, but then 'man up' and go to the electric chair.
Simple.
Pee Wee Herman. Does he ride a big trike to these interviews?
If he can't figure out whether he is for or against murdering little baby boy and girl fetuses, how can we trust him to properly electrify our border fence?!?
"So what I’m saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make…."
Herman failed to mention the choices are throwing the baby in a dumpster or intentionally falling down a flight of stairs because all the Planned Parenthood funding was taken away.
God.
it would be easier to list out what Cain knows:
Pizza.
Cain!
Excel
That is all.
He also is aware of the existence of the number 9, I'll give him that.
Can't you libs tell that Cain is joking? Except, of course, that he's serious, but you're too blind to see it. Not that he really meant it; it was just a hypothetical. One which he stands behind 100%.
Considering that the abortion rate is the same among the self-described "pro-life" women and the population at large, "abortions for my family, none for anyone else" is actually the preferred practical position of the anti-abortion movement.
Do you have a link to this study? I'd love to keep that in my folder of bullshit debunking data.
Linked elsewhere in the thread, but here's an anecdotal essay on exactly that: http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html
Seems more like he is all for the ban unless it effects the apple of his eye.
A 13 inch pepperoni?
The rape and/or murder gotcha question has passed to a new generation. And Michael Dukakis smiled.
Can we trick Herman into riding in a tank?
Oh no question he'll walk this one back. He's had to steer around the controversy over his electrified fence gaffe, and more recently insinuating "there's more to it" on his 9-9-9 boondoggle ("I just haven't given those details yet [on how it'll help, not hurt, the middle class]")… He appears so fit for a man his age, I'm guessing, because of all the backpedaling that's involved with powering the apparently engine-less clown car, into the 19th century.
Abortion position must've been on Page 4 of Piers Morgan prep notes.
Is anyone insane enough to risk eating a Godfather's pizza after what comes out of this man's mouth?
You gotta admit, he's good at what he does. Almost reminds me of Eddie Haskell.
Come on, folks. Jees. You don't recognize a joke when you hear one?!
Jokes that might be serious and really not jokes are the funniest jokes of all.
Well he did finish at the top of his class in the Andy Kaufman College of Humor.
Hear one or see one?
Send the man money, lots of money. We want this man to be the GOP nominee in 2012. Hell, we want him again in 2016, 2020 and, if we can make his corpse look lifelike, 2024.
Dig Deep For Herman!!!
Imagine there's no fetus, it's easy if you try.
Really? What did I do wrong?
Thanks in advance!
~ Bristol
I find it hard to believe that Herman has ever been in charge of anything. This guy couldn't run a lemonade stand much less a company or (shudder) a country.
Yep!! he can run a lemonade stand because that doesn't involve reading stuff…
if you look at the statistical incidents, you’re not talking about that big a number.
According to Wikipedia, "there were overall 191,670 victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2005." That's just the *reported* ones, mind you.
Maybe that's a small number to the one percent, but for most of us, that's a pretty big number indeed.
What a pig Cain is. I truly hate that man more and more every day.
He means instances of rape resulting in pregnancies, which, according to "Libertarians For Life," almost never happens: http://www.l4l.org/library/aborrape.html
Reality-based sources may differ.
"Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you’re not talking about that big a number…"
"And you know how much I hates numbers!! 'Cept for 9…"
Herman's biggest joke mixup was "I'm running for President."
Kinda refreshing to see a GOP politician rise to prominence before the anti-choice, bible thumping, mouth breathers have a chance to whip him. And now that he has spoken on the matter, he will receive his whipping.
I don't know who the pollsters call or ask their questions of, but I'm beginning to think that there are a lot of ironical republicans out there who are skewing the results. Let the skewing continue.
Hey, what a coincidence–you know how we had a visit yesterday from Breitbart fan "DrBobNM"? I found this little gem from back in April in his comment archive:
I would vote for a means test. Mandatory sterilization for those women who are on welfare with more than one child. For those pregnant, mandatory adoption. This would be a logical alternative to PP, save a ton of money going forward.
there are no reproductive rights for the irresponsible.
He defended it yesterday as "Good policy tho' if I do say so myself," so perhaps we should forward it to the Cain campaign.
(He also suggested that I was a "pervert" for "stalking" his comment history, which is Cain-level stupid…)
Are you implying that you aren't a pervert? I thought that was a basic requirement for all Wonkette commenters.
Worthly wokette skum, indeed.
EDIT: Of course I'm a prevert. But my commie preversions have nothing to do with looking at Breitbart comments. That's a wholly different species of masochism.
Herman Cain: Proof that all presidential candidates should be required to pass a Turing test.
I think he is under the assumption pro choice means pro abortion. Like "I'm super pumped for this invasive and solemn surgical procedure".
"if you look at the statistical incidents, you’re not talking about that big a number"
Only the rights of the majority matter.
Yep, still a Republican.
If Herman Cain wins the nom (hard to type with a straight face) will that dude from Big & Rich just recut "Raising McCain" as " Praising Cain?"
You know you're in trouble when you're getting your political talking points from Meg McCain.
Can you imagine working for CEO Cain, and trying to figure out what he just told you to do?
Or being a General under CiC Cain and figure out what country you were suppose to bomb/invade/cuddle?
The day our daughters are born, we all turn feminist…well, where our baby girls are concerned. I'll snark later, I promise..
This guy really is dumber than a bag of dog turds. I guess it don't take no book-readin' or thinkin' to be a prince of pizza.
Nein..nein…nein!!!
"You want minority candidates? We'll GIVE YOU minority candidates! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA." -The Republican Party
Unfortunately his support for abortion arrives too late to preempt his own birth.
"Am I my daughter's keeper?"
"If one of your female children, grand children was raped, you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own?"
No doubt Piers took Cain at his word that he would force the child to have the baby. But Cain would be open to other options for the afterbirth.
For instance, pizza toppings.
FSM, I thought Rick Perry was stupid! No wonder the only job this guy could get was selling crap pizza.
♬♬ Imagine there's no straw-polls/That Herman Cain could buy … ♬♬
This is only the 45th or 46th time he has said one thing definitively and then contradicted himself just as definitively, while perceiving no apparent problem. I'm beginning to suspect this man's intellect rises to the level of House Near, as opposed to Field Near, if you get my drift. This walnut didn't fall far from the tree, considering his daddy spent a lifetime driving Miss Daisy.
So they can decide as a family but if you are poor..you have to find your own money to pay for it….too damn bad if you live in the ghetto.
trying to catch up with the others on flip-flops.
Truly a fucking idiot. He believes his own line of shit. “You’re mixing two things here, Piers,” Cain objected. (Apples and oranges?) “It comes down to it’s not the government’s role or anybody else’s role to make that decision". Unless you want an abortion, then it's “And abortion under no circumstances". The former Godfather’s Pizza CEO also reiterated that he believes homosexuality is a sin and a choice. (I think he's the one mixing apples and oranges now).“I think it’s a sin because of my biblical beliefs and although people don’t agree with me, I happen to think that it is a choice,” he said. And this very morning he again chose to be hetero but tomorrows a new day, might be on the down low with rick perry.
Shocking! Someone asked a republican a tough question. A follow-up one, no less!
He actually has no idea – absolutely no idea – about the words coming out of his mouth, huh? But, really, didn't that bumbling reveal exactly what the GOP believes?
Poor, stupid fool.
Note the phrasing of the question / answer: "raise as her own". The dodge is built in: he's just going to dissemble and say his response was about adoption. Morgan left the window way too open with that one.
Being an opportunistic sack of shit, I'll be shocked if that isn't his response.
Does anyone else think that Cain has the same policy people and debate coaches that Palin had?
This is very typical. Politicians are all gung-ho in favor of the war on drugs until one of their kids gets busted with a dime bag. Then, they're all for keeping an open mind on the issue. What it indicates to me is a total lack of empathy, and a total failure to understand the terrible impact that imposing their own twisted moral code has on everyone else.
It's his 9-9-9 plan. 9 women get raped and must carry the baby for 9 months or go to prison for 9 years, unless it's his family in which case shut the fuck up.
I'm no anti-semantite!
What's all this I hear about semiotics?
I think it's about preserving the precious amniotic fluids
In the beginning there was the word…
Still figuring out which one.
I've missed you folks.
Semitotics – half tater tot, half linguistic deconstruction.
Actually I think it goes "In the beginning, there was the bird, and as it turns out, the bird was the word."
Did you happen to watch Colbert's tater tot meltdown last night? Toasty golden goodness.
It was the first part of the second episode. Which for some reason I tried to give a crap about. Then gave up.
I've seen all of "Mad Men" and "Pan Am" and have never seen a stabbing. A rape or two, a guy getting his foot chopped by a lawn mower, and a grown man beaten with a cane by his father, but no stabbings.
Papa ooh-ma-mah-mow!
That was amazing.
They don't show the actual stabbing, but they talked about it. Drunk guy tries to trap stewardess in galley/reach for her. Later she admits she stabbed him. Still later shot he's talking to the co-pilot, wanting her fired, gets talked out of it with a bribe of single malt scotch (he's pretty much a pussy), goes to bathroom to put band aid on puncture wound.
Oh yeah, you're right, I forgot about that. I guess because "Pan Am" just seems like harmless, well-intentioned eye-candy (period art direction, international locations and good-looking girls) for the most part. And, as with "Mad Men," Mrs. Kincaid enjoys the gorgeous old outfits.
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