NOT LEFTIST ENOUGH  9:11 am October 20, 2011

WSJ Surveys #OWS, Finds Dangerous Radicals (Meaning, Democrat Voters)

by Ken Layne

No, tomorrow is probably not quite here yet ...Here’s a pre-tangled mess of shitty intestines to unravel: Michael Bloomberg’s pollster arranged a survey of the Occupy Wall Street campers and published his paranoid/fearmongering results in the Wall Street Journal. The pollster/WSJ columnist, Douglas Schoen, then objectively described the #OWS protesters as “dangerously out of touch with the broad mass of the American people” and said the protesters are all “bound by a deep commitment to radical left-wing policies.” This proves something, probably about Obama, and even if the results of the survey are completely contrary to Schoen’s pre-written conclusions.

In the world of Murdoch’s cheat sheet for Wall Street, being an actual leftist is a very bad thing, of course — even if what American politics needs more than anything is a serious dose of serious leftist policies to swing at least one of the parties away from full-time suckling at the Wall Street teat. But Schoen’s conclusions aren’t even accurate, as a reporter at Capital New York found by simply asking Schoen for a copy of the raw data.

Left to my own devices to account for the raw responses to the survey (which Schoen was kind enough to send to me), I’d say the opinions of the protesters were not quite as … exciting as all that. They are about what I would have expected from a poll of the most committed long-haul demonstrators down at Zuccotti Park, who probably skew a lot younger and more activist-y than the much larger numbers of people who have put in appearances downtown ….

What the pre-interpreted numbers seem to show, to me, anyway, is that many of the protesters consider themselves Democrats, many will vote for Obama in 2012, and, relatively speaking, “income inequality” doesn’t actually rank too high on their list of grievances.

The OWS protesters top complaint about the U.S. political/financial system, according to Schoen’s survey, was “influence of corporate/moneyed/special interests.” That’s how 30% answered the question, while only 3% identified “our democratic/capitalist system” as the culprit for our continuing economic inequality and injustice. So much for the communist revolution.

Asked what the protests should achieve, the top response at 35% was “Influence the Democratic Party the way the Tea Party has influenced the GOP.” How radical. Invest in guillotine blades now, we guess. [Capital New York]

 

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{ 128 comments }

Come here a minute October 20, 2011 at 9:14 am

Oh, the sun'll come out tomorrow, probably.

DahBoner October 20, 2011 at 9:24 am

Sun been shining on Gold Man Sacks back door like a nuclear explosion….

memzilla October 20, 2011 at 9:41 am

Yes… when it comes to giant flaming supermassive gasbags, I think WSJ.

GuanoFaucet October 20, 2011 at 9:15 am

Fucking statistics, how do they work?

Chillwaver October 20, 2011 at 9:23 am

Data manipulation goes in, the desired analysis comes out. Never a miscommunication.

weejee October 20, 2011 at 10:06 am

Teatards ♥ deterministic processes
Wonkatteeriates ♥ stochastic processes

proudgrampa October 20, 2011 at 11:21 am

Did you perform a t-test for that hypothesis?

ShaveTheWhales October 21, 2011 at 3:14 am

Clearly. you are a Student of that technique.

not that Dewey October 20, 2011 at 12:16 pm

The Central Limit Theorem catches up with all of us, sooner or later.

BerkeleyBear October 20, 2011 at 11:37 am

Anyway you want them to. Unfortunately.

Lionel[redacted]Esq October 20, 2011 at 1:49 pm

Polls go up, Polls go down. Who knows why?

mormos October 20, 2011 at 3:22 pm

however you want them to.

Chillwaver October 20, 2011 at 9:16 am

Of course you would never expect this from a hack publication called "The Wall Street Journal," right? Fuck the WSJ, Ruppie, their self-righteous readers and Pegington Noonington…

ifthethunderdontgetya October 20, 2011 at 9:49 am

Doug Schoen is a FAUX Nooze Democrat.

Last seen in the Washington Post, November 10, advising Obama not to seek a second term.
~

GOPCrusher October 20, 2011 at 1:11 pm

Since when did "the broad mass of Americans" suddenly mean the clique that you hang out with at the country club?

memzilla October 20, 2011 at 9:16 am

Hmm… time to go long Lightly Salted Poison Rat Dick Futures for November delivery. Demand is very high. I'm also bullish on Amalgamated Guillotines [NASDAQ: CHOP] and US Babble [AMEX: USBS],

Chichikovovich October 20, 2011 at 9:37 am

Buy stock in yarn and knitting needle companies too. Employment for tricoteuses is going to explode.

proudgrampa October 20, 2011 at 11:24 am

Them babes were HAWT!

BklynIlluminati October 20, 2011 at 9:17 am

Nope still no barbarians at our gates, nope just some dirty kids. Someone should go out there and tell them get off our lawn

DahBoner October 20, 2011 at 9:23 am

Bob Dole wakes up. Opens an eye. Raises an eyebrow. Then goes back to sleep….

Chichikovovich October 20, 2011 at 9:37 am

No, just barbarians in our gated communities.

Schmannnity October 20, 2011 at 9:19 am

I have no facts to back this up, but the majority of Wall Street Journal articles tend to favor the “influence of corporate/moneyed/special interests.”

justkillmenow October 20, 2011 at 9:21 am

I have spent the past 10 weeks in a graduate level statistics class and am unable to answer this question. I think it has something to do with black magic and witches. Maybe voodoo. Not sure.

Terry October 20, 2011 at 9:38 am

Wait until you get to nonparametric statistics. The whole field boils down to one equation, in which you just keep changing the name of the variables. You are expected, however, to act as if changing the names makes the equation ENTIRELY different.

user-of-owls October 20, 2011 at 9:44 am

The shift from parametric to nonparametric models was, for me, a rank transformation.

weejee October 20, 2011 at 9:51 am

sweet

Terry October 20, 2011 at 9:54 am

Stats classes in the 80's left me with a life long semi-colon phobia.

user-of-owls October 20, 2011 at 10:00 am

Back when I took it, we did ARIMA models by hand. I would have killed for a semi-colon, just to slow things down for a second.

prommie October 20, 2011 at 9:42 am

Its simple, you just take the average of the rate of change (first derivative) of the projected mean deviation from the line you charted from the data. Fuck if I know, really; is this witch you speak of named SPSS?

GunToting[Redacted] October 20, 2011 at 10:39 am

If I'm not mistaken, SPSS changed her name to IBM.

prommie October 20, 2011 at 10:44 am

I was larned on this here doohickey called The Statistical Package for Social Scientists, Release 10 for Windows.

user-of-owls October 20, 2011 at 2:25 pm

Kid's got a lotta SAS, don't he?

weejee October 20, 2011 at 9:55 am

Benjamin Disraeli's remarks cut to the quick.

not that Dewey October 20, 2011 at 12:16 pm

I just got my boss to approve purchase of the Statistics Toolbox for Matlab. I'm salivating; I can't wait! I have some histograms that require inverse erfing.

DahBoner October 20, 2011 at 9:22 am

"Asked what the protests should achieve…"

WE WON'T REST UNTIL WE HAVE SHARKS WITH FRICKIN' LASER BEAMS ATTACHED TO THEIR HEADS…

BaldarTFlagass October 20, 2011 at 9:47 am

And jet packs. Don't forget the jet packs.

user-of-owls October 20, 2011 at 9:52 am

I want a pony.

proudgrampa October 20, 2011 at 11:25 am

Whatever happened to our Flying Cars?

Boojum_Reborn October 20, 2011 at 9:22 am

I would like to see more ass-fucking in the OWS protests. Preferably, the nice ripe cherry asses of banksters and Wall Street moguls.

freakishlywrong October 20, 2011 at 9:23 am

According to the WSJ, Saint Ronnie would be a radical left wing pinko. Who's out of touch again?

DahBoner October 20, 2011 at 9:31 am

If Saint Ronnie's corspe ain't got a job and ain't rich, then it's his own damn fault!

yrbmegr October 20, 2011 at 3:09 pm

A bill I'd like to see introduced in Congress, entitled "The Ronald Reagan Deification Act".

An Act, to reset all U.S. law to the way it was during the Reagan Administration.

Republicans would have to vote against it because it would RAISE TAXES!!!! {gasp!}

Mumbletypeg October 20, 2011 at 9:25 am

Hey Ken… Correct me if I'm wrong but.. in the WSJ accompanying photo, isn't that girl in the middle doing a rebel yell at the camera wearing an old-school wonkette t-shirt? The kind w/ the caption "I'll keep your secret/ But I won't go to prison for you" — ?!

Ken Layne October 20, 2011 at 9:30 am

Oh wow, the Gawker Media shirt about … Judith Miller? God whose idea was that? (Some long-gone merchandising manager at Gawker HQ, haha ….) We gave away the last of those shirts at our Weeping Eagle awards ceremony in DC last summer. She must've got it there, as none of those shirts ever sold.

Terry October 20, 2011 at 9:40 am

Don't point this out too much, as the people at Fox will realize that it's really the Wonketteers who are pulling the strings at OWS not George Soros.

Mumbletypeg October 20, 2011 at 9:42 am

Well now to have the truth fully out — I was the most recent recipient of said shirts, when Riley 'gifted' me with a near dozen Size XS 'remaindered' shirts in assorted varieties & colors during my DC visit this summer. I'm still trying to figure out what to do with them.

user-of-owls October 20, 2011 at 9:56 am

You could send them my way. I know the homeless shelter down at Our Lady of Teensy-Weensy Souls sure could use them.

Mumbletypeg October 20, 2011 at 10:12 am

Oh I meant how to 'reconstitute' them. I've just figured out how to sew undies from old t-shirts, for example… Or what about a wonkette oven-mitt? See, I promised Riley I'd come up with "a really creative" use for them… But considering your idea too, Owls, as based on my limited experience at local homeless facilities: their donations are overstocked with much-too-XXL sized clothing for the frail-framed, underfed women coming in looking for decently-fit garb, for job interviews, &c.

glamourdammerung October 20, 2011 at 9:25 am

This is the same clown that was saying Obama needed to announce last year that he would not run for re-election in order to get stuff done. Despite doing business with Murdoch's criminal empire, Schoen has never heard of Congressional Republicans.

user-of-owls October 20, 2011 at 9:30 am

This proves something, probably about Obama…

…which is that he is morally weak.

deanbooth October 20, 2011 at 9:47 am

Obama: "I couldn't help it. They knew my weakness!"
Michelle: "What's that?"
Obama: "I'm weak!!"

/Homer

chicken_thief October 20, 2011 at 10:30 am

But so Kenyanly devious, in an anti-colonial way.

user-of-owls October 20, 2011 at 9:34 am

Activist-y was a terrible operating system.

I'm really glad they finally replaced it with Windows 7-y.

slithytoves October 20, 2011 at 9:35 am

Influence? They want influence? Jesus, next thing you know they'll be wanting respect or human dignity or some other shit like that.

Monsieur_Grumpe October 20, 2011 at 9:36 am

The Wall Street Journal must be getting some math tutoring from FUX News.

freakishlywrong October 20, 2011 at 9:37 am

Schoen clown is Fux's house Democrat.

Chichikovovich October 20, 2011 at 9:45 am

What, Zell Miller was already committed elsewhere?

glamourdammerung October 20, 2011 at 9:47 am

"Committed" being the key word.

Mumbletypeg October 20, 2011 at 9:36 am

From the WSJ piece:

President Obama and the Democratic leadership are making a critical error in embracing the Occupy Wall Street movement—and it may cost them the 2012 election.

Uh… Mr. Schoen, have you examined the 'critical errors' committed during exchanges in any or all of the GOP debates recently? Obama's practically got the election handed to him.
Your forthcoming book's title could be sung to Olivia Newton-John's old sap: "Hopelessly Divided [To You] — The New Crisis [-Manufacturing] in American Politics" would be a more accurately worded summary, I'm guessing, now that I've fixed it for you.

fuflans October 20, 2011 at 11:37 am

also, i haven't seen that warm embrace really.

Naked_Bunny October 20, 2011 at 3:03 pm

Obama hasn't gone on TV screaming about the communist hippies and threatening to use military force to disperse them like he always does with Tea Party rallies, therefore he embraces them.

baconzgood October 20, 2011 at 9:36 am

Activist-y kids……OHHHHHHHH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!! It's the end of Jebus.

These GOP fuckers get all freaked out when young people get the lead out and do somthing. You know the only thing that the GOP thinks 17-28 year olds are good for? cannon fodder. ASS HOLES!

ThundercatHo October 20, 2011 at 10:08 am

They also like them to "carry their luggage".

chicken_thief October 20, 2011 at 10:34 am

Opinions only count if they were fed to 400 lb rascal riding oldz by Faux News so said scooter riders can regurgitate them and claim them as their own.

deanbooth October 20, 2011 at 9:37 am

To be as influential as the Teabaggers, all OWS has to do is advocate policies that make Democratic donors richer.

Guppy06 October 20, 2011 at 10:24 am

The Teabaggers already did that themselves.

Chet Kincaid October 20, 2011 at 9:38 am

"…35% was 'Influence the Democratic Party the way the Tea Party has influenced the GOP.'"

Exactly.

The tolerable Lawrence O'Donnell made the point last night that all Presidential candidates who say they're going to "repeal this" and "build that" are liars, because Congress controls everything; and (paraphrasing) pro- and anti-Obama Democrats had better grow up and take that to heart.

BTW, what's with O'Donnell and Ed what's-his-face switching time slots?!

user-of-owls October 20, 2011 at 10:05 am

Lawrence isn't bad, but he seems like the sort whose neighbors would eventually wind up telling a reporter, "He was a quiet guy, mostly kept to himself."

Chet Kincaid October 20, 2011 at 10:29 am

Lawrence enjoys explaining the obvious to his viewers as if they were in the 3rd grade, which I find tedious, but it's apparently necessary for many on "our side."

user-of-owls October 20, 2011 at 10:43 am

"When George Bush slashed the already meager tax rates on billionaires, this was somewhat antithetical to the interests of 99.99% of American citizens. Can you say 'antithetical'?"

BaldarTFlagass October 20, 2011 at 9:38 am

Well, that's a big surprise.

prommie October 20, 2011 at 9:38 am

Oh Ken, you're so completely out of touch with what normal, sane, mainstream American people think.

Guppy06 October 20, 2011 at 10:25 am

It's already been established that there are no "normal Americans" living in DC/NoVA.

SorosBot October 20, 2011 at 9:39 am

According to the article, most of the protesters support such radical left-wing ideals as true universal healthcare and guaranteed access to a college education! My, that puts them against the American people – oh wait, no, that's the same as the American people but unsupported by politicians that have been purchased by the corporate elite.

Billmatic October 20, 2011 at 9:39 am

Well 3% is better than getting booed and pelted with tomatoes.

*sigh* It's so hard being a Communist.

user-of-owls October 20, 2011 at 10:06 am

BOOO!!!

*pelt*

Billmatic October 20, 2011 at 10:36 am

Oh, boo yourself.

SorosBot October 20, 2011 at 12:00 pm

I was saying Boo-urns.

ThankYouJeebus October 20, 2011 at 9:39 am

Thurston and Lovey are starting to get a little nervous and are thinking about a boating excursion to get away from these 'people' for a few hours.

user-of-owls October 20, 2011 at 9:39 am

Invest in guillotine blades now

Based on the distinctly non-radical survey results, it would seem more appropriate to, "Invest in sternly worded letters."

BaldarTFlagass October 20, 2011 at 9:41 am

“Influence the Democratic Party the way the Tea Party has influenced the GOP.”

What, turn all our candidates into blithering idiots? I'd prefer they didn't.

prommie October 20, 2011 at 9:43 am

Alls I know is why I went down to the protest; its because we were promised jetpacks, goddammit.

Chichikovovich October 20, 2011 at 9:49 am

And where the hell are the flying cars? The future is turning out to be a real disappointment compared to what I was promised by "Science for Kids" shows in the 60s.

prommie October 20, 2011 at 9:59 am

Where is my atomic car? Its nearly $4.00 a gallon for gas, I would be cruising easy right now if I only had my atomic car, and my robot maid named "Hazel," too.

proudgrampa October 20, 2011 at 11:30 am

And WHY, WHY, are we still working 8 hours (or more) a day? George Jetson only had to work one hour a day.

GOPCrusher October 20, 2011 at 1:19 pm

Now that I think about it, I don't actually remember seeing George Jetson doing "work" at Spacely's Space Sprokets. He showed up, but I don't think he worked.

LiveToServeYa October 20, 2011 at 9:44 am

What, *read* the WSJ? What a waste of time, especially since the price of toilet paper is so high.

John Birf Society October 20, 2011 at 9:47 am

I was shocked to learn that 134% of OWS protesters hated people who regularly attended church.

Chichikovovich October 20, 2011 at 9:52 am

And the 186% who said only "Acid is groovy. Kill the pigs".

SorosBot October 20, 2011 at 9:54 am

Now I don't hate regular churchgoers; I pity the fools

Not_So_Much October 20, 2011 at 9:47 am

Math shows that 93.2% of the time you put a made-up statistic next to any bullshit on The Interwebs, more than 2/3 of the sheeple will know that it's true. WSJ shows this to be true virtually every day.

user-of-owls October 20, 2011 at 9:48 am

Schoen's assertions notwithstanding, analysis of the raw data also reveals that only a minority of OWS protesters lack culottes.

vacuumslayer October 20, 2011 at 9:49 am

LEAVE THE 1% ALOOOOONE!!!!

vacuumslayer October 20, 2011 at 9:52 am

We have not yet begun to POOP!

vacuumslayer October 20, 2011 at 9:56 am

Sooooo…is it ok for us to say we just "want to take our country back?"

BerkeleyBear October 20, 2011 at 11:46 am

NO THAT IS ONLY FOR REAL AMURKINS YOU PINKO COMMIE SKUM!!!!!!!911111!!!!!!

Naked_Bunny October 20, 2011 at 2:15 pm

Of course not. The country is already run by socialists and homosexuals.

I call it Schrödinger Politics. Not that right-wingers ever know what that means.

Biel_ze_Bubba October 20, 2011 at 5:25 pm

I thought it was Heisenberg Politics… but I'm not certain.

BlueStateLibel October 20, 2011 at 9:57 am

They're really panicking now, aren't they?

prommie October 20, 2011 at 10:03 am

Well, I heard that the protesters poison the wells, AND they hold satanic black masses which require the blood of an infant for the sacrament! And they're pedophiles, won't someone think of the children? Here is this park full of well-poisoning socialist infant-sacrificing antichrist-worshipping ritual abuse pedophile drug addict commies! When will someone do something, for the children, won't someone think of the children? Oh, wait, its a post 9-11 world, everything has changed, they're ritual pedophile satanic drug-dealing muslim terrorists! Rendition them to Gitmo!

GunToting[Redacted] October 20, 2011 at 10:49 am

Blood libel!11!1!! Actual, honest-to-god Blood Libel, unlike what Pain believes.

vacuumslayer October 20, 2011 at 11:30 am

Pedophiles and druggies? What? So they're all Catholics and Evangelicals?

GOPCrusher October 20, 2011 at 1:21 pm

Catholics and Evangelicals hanging out together? Are you mad?

Biel_ze_Bubba October 20, 2011 at 5:23 pm

Just so long as they don't share a tent.
(Is that still illegal in Alabama?)

hagajim October 20, 2011 at 10:05 am

Why'd he even do a survey if he was just going to make up the fucking results? Fucking Murdoch…notice how all these douches (Murdoch, Koch bros.) all have Och in their names? Methinks it's a conspiracy!

GOPCrusher October 20, 2011 at 1:23 pm

So I hear that the News Corp stockholders are trying to force Murdoch and his demon spawn out at the head of News Corp because they have become too toxic.

Biel_ze_Bubba October 20, 2011 at 5:19 pm

because they have become too noticed how toxic they are.

Fixed.

Biel_ze_Bubba October 20, 2011 at 5:21 pm

Arthur Ochs Sulzberger must have been in on it, then. Who knew?

chicken_thief October 20, 2011 at 10:42 am

But how many joined OWS just for the free sex and drugs? I was thinking about dropping by, but if there are no babes joining in the fun….

GOPCrusher October 20, 2011 at 1:24 pm

According to the Howard Stern interview, the only people getting laid are the ones with tents.

Naked_Bunny October 20, 2011 at 2:09 pm

Aren't those the regular occupants of Wall Street?

AddHomonym October 20, 2011 at 11:15 am

Well, since things like George Bush's prescription drug program for olds and stuff like highways are now considered "radical left-wing policies," WSJ is prob correct about the #OWS, yes?

BarackMyWorld October 20, 2011 at 11:45 am

Terrible newspaper is terrible.

veritass October 20, 2011 at 1:13 pm

Lies, Damn Lies, and Conservatives.

owhatever October 20, 2011 at 1:19 pm

I wish the young men would just put on coats and ties, and the girls wear dresses, with clean underwear, and just go get jobs in the banking industry. Then they could buy nice things and collect guns and be kind to their parents and go to church, and America would be … uh… (fill in you own word).

Naked_Bunny October 20, 2011 at 2:11 pm

White.

Biel_ze_Bubba October 20, 2011 at 5:17 pm

Exactly the same, with a couple hundred more bankers.

Naked_Bunny October 20, 2011 at 2:07 pm

That picture makes me very glad America isn't under Communism. I'd hate to live in a country where uniformed thugs attack freethinking dissidents while the nation burns around cheering sheep.

Biel_ze_Bubba October 20, 2011 at 5:16 pm

"OK, boss, I got the survey results right here."
"Great! Here are your conclusions. Paste them in and we're good to go."

Negropolis October 20, 2011 at 10:52 pm

Well, hell, then. Call me a leftist radical, 'cause I want to see negative corporate influence taken out of political and social system, and I too would like to see this movement push the Democrats like the Tea Party pushed the Republicans given the fact that we only have two, viable major parties in this country, and only one of those parties can even remotely be appealed to using logic and reason.

MadBrahms October 21, 2011 at 1:39 am

Yes, "influence of corporate/moneyed/special interests" has nothing at all to do with capitalism.

On the one hand, hooray, it's hard to point to the protesters as radical Marxists, which works in OWS' favor. On the other hand, I'm depressed somehow that only 3% seem able to string dots together in a line.

Terry October 20, 2011 at 10:46 am

SAS on punch cards when I started. Mostly it was SAS using terminals that had been tucked into creepy old closets, then you had to run across campus to get your printout, assuming the guy at the computer lab desk wasn't on the phone talking to his girlfriend rather than keeping up with the huge dot matrix printers.

BerkeleyBear October 20, 2011 at 11:36 am

Both ways. With a mainframe strapped to their backs.

user-of-owls October 20, 2011 at 2:24 pm

Not just uphill…up a logarithmic hill!

Terry October 20, 2011 at 11:38 am

Carrying a box of punch cards.

Limeylizzie October 20, 2011 at 11:46 am

Make a quilt, a snuggly , warm, Wonkette winter covering.

weejee October 20, 2011 at 11:54 am

And then tripping and have them spill…aaaaagghhh!!!

proudgrampa October 20, 2011 at 1:42 pm

Even better! Beautiful wife and family, atomic flying car, electronic maid. And you don't have to work!

Oh. That's probably something the OWSers would be upset about, huh?

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