the war on the constitution

Lonely Ron Paul Points Out Al-Awlaki Killing Was Super Illegal, Alone

Remember when John Yoo was the worst guy on Earth?Hey, kids! Who’s heard of the Constitution? Barack Obama has, he said so in 2007: “Unlike the current president I actually respect the Constitution.” Haha, that was a weird sick joke, what Obama actually meant — if you read carefully — was that he is exactly like the 2007 president, and he too feels the Constitution applies, eh, on Mondays only, for show and tradition. Is it a Monday? NO? KILL KILL KILL! U.S. war machines rained fire and brimstone on American citizen and suspected terrorist Anwar al-Awlaki until he died, in Yemen (and now we get to put “suspected” in front of his name forever and ever because that’s what the real jernalizm majors do, since he has never been convicted in a court of law). Only extrajudicial murder party wet blanket Ron Paul did not congratulate the President for taking a giant poop on the Constitution, right before he muttered something about how Americans are a senseless cabal of blind idiots. Okay, we’ll give him that one. 

From MSNBC:

“He was born here, Al-Awlaki was born here, he is an American citizen. He was never tried or charged for any crimes. No one knows if he killed anybody. We know he might have been associated with the underwear bomber. But if the American people accept this blindly and casually that we now have an accepted practice of the president assassinating people who he thinks are bad guys, I think it’s sad.

“I think what would people … have said about Timothy McVeigh? We didn’t assassinate him, who certainly he had done it. Went and put through the courts then executed him. To start assassinating American citizens without charges, we should think very seriously about this.”

And, for contrast, what does the paper of record, the venerable “of course we should invade Iraq” New York Times have to say about this blatant, clearly defined violation of the Constitution?

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To blunt criticism from the left that the United States had targeted an American citizen for assassination, Mr. Obama took pains to describe Awlaki’s role as a key Al Qaeda operative behind deadly attacks on Americans, including the mass killings at Fort Hood, Tex.

Oh, right, it’s a libtard issue. The Constitution is just some dogmatic anti-war-forever libtard Marxist leaflet George Soros wrote on a crumpled cocktail napkin to crush freedom. Luckily, cocktail napkin screeds are not binding precedent, and Obama can do whatever he wants, like murder. Silly libtards. [MSNBC/ NYTimes]

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158 comments

    1. WunkRocker

      Constitution is Quaint. Like Dick said about the Geneva Convention. You know what isn't quaint? Getting wacked by some radio controlled air-death-bots. That's not quaint. Nope.

  1. Weenus299

    Crazy fuckin Ron or Rand whoever Paul has a point. I'm going to slice off my fingers now, having typed this statement.

  2. prommie

    More like Layne with every post. KBJ (hehe, "BJ"), you are bringing me down, man, you are harshing my buzz.

    1. pdiddycornchips

      Obviously it's not acceptable. Not to the left and not to the right. The left still has the quaint notion that Presidents are restrained from killing people the NSA says need killing, even if they happen to be US citizens. That's what they call pre-9/11 thinking.__Wolf and Chris Matthews do not approve of pre-9/11 thinking. Those who practice it are un-serious hippies, drug mules, terror babies or all the above. ____The right does not approve because Hopey is black and not sufficiently wingnutty enough even though his policies are pretty consistently Dubya 2.0. The right does not approve of anything or anyone to the left Sean Hannity. ____So, Obama will not get credit for nor will he be held accountable for killing a US citizen. This is because the left is too weak, the right is too dumb and our overlords are evil, vile people.

        1. V572 Moon!

          Ha ha, warrants — that's pre-9/11 thinking! We just kill first and ask questions later. Only we don't ask any questions.

    1. friendlyskies

      I registered Republican just to vote for Ron Paul in the GOP primaries, because I want him to make his points loud and clear in all the debates.

    1. Nostrildamus

      Romney would have tied him to his car roof and drove him around the country till he shat himself to death.

      (Joke's on Romney. Paul has a blimp for that..)

  3. weejee

    Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. – Bennie the Ball Franklin

  4. BaldarTFlagass

    "(and now we get to put “suspected” in front of his name forever and ever because that’s what the real jernalizm majors do, since he has never been convicted in a court of law). "

    What, no love for "alleged"?

    1. prommie

      Are these the same journalists who say things like "some people believe" before talking about things like evolution, the big bang theory, relativity, and other accepted scientific facts? Out of concern that in order to remain "objective" they have to respect and give equal time to the opinions of lunatics and morons?

    1. GOPCrusher

      See, I guess I figured that the fact that he was a Muslim overrode all other considerations and made him fair game.

    1. prommie

      I think its the whiny handwringing liberals who are being unreasonable here, whatever happened to muscular, manly, tough liberalism? Armed liberals?

      1. V572 Moon!

        Like JFK. He wasn't afraid to start a little war now and then, and LBJ extended it a few years for him. Or Harry Truman, and Korea, or FDR and Dubya-Dubya 2.

        See, Clinton never woulda been impeached if he'd started better wars. Bosnia…who even remembers? And Carter: what a joke! Desert One!

    2. HobbesEvilTwin

      He could at least try to be tough on the terrismz within the confines of the constatushun, though, damn hypocrite.

    3. BlueStateLibel

      Eh, I disagree. He's plenty soft on Repubs on giving them what they want. And I don't like the idea of assinating an American citizen that's just suspected of terrorism, it lowers the bar an awful lot.

      1. problemwithcaring

        President Obama gave the GOP hand wringing, impotent liberals, whining about what daddy President can't do for them, instead organizing and voting for a more liberal Congress?

        Oh yea, he did – by not being Hillary for you. :-( He is fail.

  5. Serolf_Divad

    Meh…. it's hard for me to get worked up about this. We kill dozens of suspected terrorists with drone strikes every week. And I'm supposed to be especially upset about this one because the guy we killed was American? I'd rather save my outrage for the wedding parties and schools we accidentally bomb.

    1. Tommmcattt

      They aren't AMERICANS, Serolf! Killing anyryone is okay as long as that person isn't an AMERICAN.

      This is foundational to the understanding of our exceptional place in the world…

    2. paris biltong

      Yeah but it's hard to dehumanize an American, "born here" whereas all those camel fuckers are fucking animals (axiomatic, I know) so we can kill them like we did gooks and krauts and japs and the rest,

      1. horsedreamer_1

        It is not hard to dehumanize a born American. Look at the Birther movement. They even go after Marco Rubio, whom they like.

  6. SaintRond

    What can I say? I mean, I know it's unconstitutional, but still… I have to admit, I wouldn't of minded having a little teensy weensy bite of his liver, and then done a really big hit of PCP and danced the Hokey Pokie all night long with my bunkies.

    What can I say? I think I've got an eating disorder.

  7. SexySmurf

    The lives of terrorists in Yemen deserve the full protection of the United States government. Unless they don't have health insurance, then let 'em die.

    1. Biel_ze_Bubba

      Admittedly, I haven't actually asked Aetna this … but think being on the CIA's hit list would be a pre-existing condition.

  8. BaldarTFlagass

    Not that I'm particularly bloodthirsty, in fact I'm just the opposite, but there are a whole lot of other Americans out there whose shuffling from this mortal coil would be a great benefit to the rest of us. And they live right here, not halfway round the world.

    1. HarryButtle

      Drone strikes on Texas! And Florida! And South Carolina! And Arizona! And…oh, nevermind. I think we're gonna need a bigger drone.

    2. Lionel[redacted]Esq

      Sadly, we don't have a weapon big enough to take out Rush Limbaugh. And Glenn Beck's tears will smother everything but nuclear arms.

  9. Grief_Lessons

    "To start assassinating American citizens without charges, we should think very seriously about this"

    You know, if you put the emhpasis on different words, I'm sure the rest of the GOP field could get behind this proposal.

    1. FNMA

      Just a matter of sentence structure: "We should think very seriously about assassinating American citizens without charges."
      There. All better.

      1. GOPCrusher

        Or "We should think very seriously about assassinating American citizens with electrical charges."
        Rick Perry would lead the charge (eh, eh) on that one.

  10. Mort_Sinclair

    You see, with Republicans, it's criminal, immoral, unethical, unconstitutional to "assassinate" a U.S. citizen without a trial and conviction, but it's not criminal, immoral, unethical, unconstitutional to execute a U.S. citizen if the trial and conviction are bullshit. Translation: it's the process not the integrity of the process.

    1. prommie

      Well, yes, thats exactly what Scalia has written, the fact that the result is wrong is irrrelevant so long as the procedure was proper. You cannot parody Scalia either. Scalia and the Teabaggers, so asinine they are beyond satire.

      1. Pres.Libunatic

        Scalia has written that no factually innocent person has ever been executed in the US. Cameron Todd Willingham would surely disagree with that if he wasn't currently worm food courtesy of RIcky Boy Perry and the Texas Department of Corrections.

        1. Biel_ze_Bubba

          You have to remember that "factually innocent" doesn't mean what you think it means. Scalia can start with the factual FACT that Willingham was convicted, and easily take it from there. It's the "Conservapedia" approach to reality, applied to the adminstration of justice.

          Facts, to a Republican, are malleable things, and it's today's harder facts that have them calling for bigger hammers.

    2. DashboardBuddha

      Wow…just wow. Well done.

      "it's the process not the integrity of the process. "

      Adding this to my lexicon now

    1. V572 Moon!

      So true. Like when he says we should stop fighting all these wars overseas, and turn off the A/C in the Green Zone. What a kidder! We love our wars. War is what we do and who we are.

  11. Terry

    "But if the American people accept this blindly and casually that we now have an accepted practice of the president assassinating people who he thinks are bad guys, I think it’s sad."

    The American government (military and intelligence) have been assassinating people for a good long while. The difference here is that this guy was born in the US. Is it so much better to off a man who was born elsewhere than one born within our borders? Neither received a trial.

      1. Terry

        Yep, he's batshit crazy on 90% of things but has a point on a very few things. As my mother would say, even a blind pig occasionally finds an acorn.

    1. V572 Moon!

      Osama Bin Laden, whom we could have captured alive relatively easily, agrees with your statement. As do I.

  12. BTWBFDIMHO

    Dr. Paul, Obama took the risk and the responsibility. Do you have a problem with that?

    But, they should bring them to Texas before killing them. Here we specialize in vertical and horizontal drilling.

  13. BaldarTFlagass

    I'm pretty sure that this isn't the first time the US Govt has assassinated a US citizen, it's just the first time they've just stone cold come out and said that they've assassinated a US citizen.

  14. widestanceshakedown

    Oh, lookey, someone found An Injustice in the world. Let's all gather 'round to hear his revelations.

  15. subsum

    The one thing Ron Paul has going for him is consistency. To a true-believin' Teabagger, Ronnie is defending a muslin terrorist and that ain't cool… so, how can he be claiming that he wants to be preznit of the Republican States of the Confederation? But Ron don't give no ratz ass 'bout dat. He's consistent no matter what; even if it means not winning the nomination. Poor bastard. He doesn't seem to have a clue about what it takes to win a national election.

  16. poorgradstudent

    See, this is the kind of shit the Tea Party should be getting all worked up about…if we took a minute to pretend that they didn't all but literally drop out of the Koch Brothers' asses.

  17. Schmannnity

    Why can't Ron Paul understand that flying death robots are American innovation and industry at its best?

  18. johnnyzhivago

    It's funny how some people think it's overreaching when the "state" fundsAmtrak or the FAA but think that when the state blows up one of its own citizens it's time to celebrate.

  19. SayItWithWookies

    The subversion of the Constitution began at least as far back as the Alien and Sedition Acts and have continued to this day, mostly unnoticed. To uphold the values enshrined in our founding document is a constant struggle, and just as we closed the books on previous horrors — like the Japanese internments in WWII — we'll shut the damn door on this one.

    But our president is enough of a Constitutional scholar to know that this shit has no legal basis whatsoever — I'm afraid it's going to take until this war on whateveritis is declared over until, however, until the hysteria dies down enough for us to be reasonable about it. Pathetic bunch of ninnies we are, this whole damn country.

    1. GregComlish

      " I'm afraid it's going to take until this war on whateveritis is declared over"

      I thought the whole point of the war on terror is that it never ends.

  20. SorosBot

    Mr. Paul should try reading that Constitution he says he wants to uphold. The Fifth Amendment says that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty without due process of law. Notice what word isn't used there? Citizen.

    I'm not saying he's wrong in saying that the Constitution forbids extra-judicial assassinations; I'm saying he's wrong in saying only forbids this for Americans, and somehow not foreigners. The protections guaranteed by the Bill of Rights apply to everyone under the government's jurisdiction, not just citizens.

    1. Biel_ze_Bubba

      No doubt, the argument is that Awlaki got his Constitutionally-mandated "due process" in secret (formal approval from the DOJ was in fact obtained.) I'd be inclined to agree, if they'd had hearings in public: Awlaki would have been free to challenge the statements and evidence against him. Even if it were not done in public, it's hard to believe they'd have lost a jury trial in absentia, but apparently they didn't want to take even that miniscule risk.

      The attitude of the government here reminds me of the public reaction to the Nuremburg trials, which a lot of Americans thought was a waste of time and money, and vastly more courtesy than the bastards deserved. Very few people seem to know this, but a couple of the Nazis were found NOT guilty, which perfectly illustrates why we took the trouble.

  21. DashboardBuddha

    Just thought of this…NYPD is on heightened alert for Al-Awlaki revenge attacks AND the city is full of protesters. Fuck.

    Ya'll be careful, ya hear?

  22. BlueStateLibel

    It's not like Obama taught law or anything, how would you expect him to know about the Consti'tution, Ken? It's not even that he swore to uphold it.

  23. GOPCrusher

    Can't wait for the fur to fly at the next Republiklan Poo-Flinging Contest when Michele Bachmann trots this statement out and accuses Ron Paul of being a Muslim lover.

    1. Biel_ze_Bubba

      She's gonna have to choose between bashing Obama and bashing Ron Paul? Exploding head in 3, 2, 1…

  24. Ajax

    It used to be that if the matter was war, we played by the Geneva Convention, and if the matter was individual acts, we held individuals accountable. Until we set a national policy to approach international terrorism, we can't properly deal with a network of individuals who use mass murder of civilians to get attention. I think we have deliberately avoided setting a policy in order to avoid being held to it — particularly when some terrorist groups are being assisted by nations who are our nominal allies, with whom we can't afford to make war.

    1. Biel_ze_Bubba

      Legal niceties aside, there's something appropriate about fighting bomb-planting, civilian-targeting terrorists with Predator drones, which if you think about it are themselves first-class terror weapons. Al Quaeda honchos think they're safe, on friendly ground, on a nice sunny day, and BOOM … precisely what their terrorism is supposed to make us worry about.

  25. Jukesgrrl

    Let's get this straight. It's not OK to kill an American citizen if you think he's a terrorist, but it IS OK to kill many American citizens with a gas explosion as long as some energy-producing corporation benefits financially.

  26. NadePaulKuciGravMcKi

    both political parties are corrupt to the core
    likewise the corrupt controlled media

    no Judge no Jury and Assassinations

      1. Biel_ze_Bubba

        We promise not to do this to you unless we're pretty sure you're a muslin or a jihad-yell-leader.

        Fixed.

  27. imissopus

    Ron's right. We should have extradited him, given him a degenerative lung disorder, and then dropped him into the middle of the open health insurance market. Let his mosque take up a collection to cover his bills.

    Or we could have tried to capture him, extradite him, and see if the DOJ can prosecute for treason or something, but that sounds like an awful lot of work.

    1. Biel_ze_Bubba

      "sounds like an awful lot of work."

      If its reason enough for Texas to blow off death penalty appeals, it's good enough for the rest of us.

  28. Respitetini

    Wow. Can't wait until we have a Democrat in the White House. That'll solve all these problems, right?

    Right?

    1. zhubajie

      No, Bush or Rumsfeld on trial would be a good example. This is just more of the usual stupidity, especially if they got the wrong guy.

      1. crybabyboehner

        Even if he was the "right" guy, it was wrong. No telling who might "make a nice example" to some in the miltiary-intelligence complex.

  29. Veritas78

    I'm glad about this because I KNOW it ruined Dick Cheney's day. If he still had a heart, he'd have had another attack.

    1. Negropolis

      Is the Dalai Lama putting up videos on youtube explicitly calling for the assassination of Chinese politicians, and the indiscriminate murdering of Chinese civilians?

  30. zhubajie

    I suppose it was predictable that our Caesars would start assassinating unimportant citizens the way they have long done to lesser breeds outside the law. Still, abandoning all restraint is not a good thing.

  31. Lionel[redacted]Esq

    It is not my area of practice, but I don't think that the Constitution prevents the military or the CIA or whatever from killing an American Citizen in a foreign land who has joined an armed rebellion against the United States and our allies. (And, really, did he keep his citizenship? That just makes him look like a little wuss if he is chanting Death to America and promoting terrorist strikes, but he has kept his citizenship).

  32. Lionel[redacted]Esq

    Now, if he had surrendered to American Authorities, and was under the control of the United States, that is a different thing. As Sorosbot pointed out, a person, not a citizen, who is under the control of the United States is afforded rights. (Note, the right has this ridiculously wrong when they talk about "reading Miranda" to captured enemy combatants…, you don't have to do anything at that time other than abide by the Geneva Convention, but once you control them, you better justify your position and treat them humanely .., something the Bush Administration had problems with, but I don't think the Obama Administration has).

    Either way, I have a hard time shedding a tear here. I feel worse about the State of Georgia putting to death a man that is possibly innocent than the US government killing someone that is in a foreign country trying to kill us. Apples and Oranges, really.

  33. ttommyunger

    I'm generally in favor of Due Process, but this dipshit put himself in the crosshairs knowingly. He stayed in the crosshairs knowingly. Some people are just asking to be killed; and they shouldn't be denied. Call it thinning the herd or suicide by Drone, he was fucking asking for it and I for one, am glad the little motherfucker is assuming room temperature. All I have to say is: "NEXT!"

  34. Bezoar

    Really, couldn't there have been some "due process" conducted out of sight in a back room in the Pentagon or the White House? And hey, didn't I hear somewhere that this guy was an asshole? And besides, does it really matter so much if our government kills people who aren't guilty? It's been going on forever, and we're doing fine, right?

  35. Negropolis

    How were we going to bring him in for trial? BTW, I'm a bit confused as to why it matters that he was born here. If assassination is bad regardless of nationality, why does it matter that he was nominally an American?

  36. fishskicanoe

    Another name for Awlaki is "enemy combatant". If you don't want to be killed by the United States government then don't go to war with the United States government. Is Ron Paul saying that all the Confederate dead killed in the Civil War were illegal "extra judicial assassinations"?

    Oh wait. He probably is.

  37. Lazy Media

    You know what other American citizens the U.S. government killed, by the hundreds of thousands, without any sort of trial? Confederate soldiers.

    Seriously, fuck that guy. If he had been in Oklahoma, we'd have arrested him. Hiding out in Yemen, publishing "kill the infidel dog" webzines and generally waging war on the U.S. means we blow you up. Article I, Section 9, bitch.

  38. SaintRond

    I recently adopted a Navy Seal Chihuahua/Yorkie that was retired due to injuries sustained in the line of duty, so I occasionally talk to the Seals who worked with him when they call from time to time to see how he's doing. So I heard what Obama did after that team took out that Awlaki guy.

    A ground unit of US Special Forces immediately surrounded the area where the attack took place with orders to gather DNA evidence, just like they did with Bin Laden. The only thing left was his testicles, so they just gathered them up in a baggy and had them flown immediately to Walter Read for testing and analysis.

    Then Obama ordered the testicles brought to the White House by an NSA courier, where he just happened to be eating a spaghetti dinner with his family. According to my sources, the President didn't even look up from his dinner. He just said, "Drop those out on top of my spaghetti, which the courier did.

    Then the courier noticed a shaker with grated Parmesan on the table and asked the President if he'd like him to sprinkle a little on his dinner. I was told that the President looked at his plate of spaghetti a long moment, then turned and looked up at the courier with a wink and said, "No, it appears there's plenty of cheese on here already."

    Peace… God bless…

  39. itsnobody

    lol Obama is basically Hitler 2.0

    Al-Awlaki was not killed in the battlefield, instead he was simply ordered to be put to death by the executive order of Obama!

    Maybe if Obama feels that OJ Simpsons was a murderer he can order him to be put to death….or maybe if he feels that Fox News is a terrorist organization he shut them down…lol

    All of the other US citizen terrorists in history were given trials.

    All they had to do was give Al-Awlaki a trial and then execute him.

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