The whiny lizards running the state of Florida are expected to start shit by declaring their GOP primary date January 31st, a week before the scheduled Feb. 6 date of the holy Iowa caucuses and well ahead of the other three sacred starter contests in New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina. Therefore, everyone panic. Look, Florida, how many times do we have to explain it to you: there are four first nominating contests just like there are four books in the Gospels, and they go at the beginning of the New Testament. THAT IS THE RULE. You want to rearrange those, too, you filthy swamp monsters?Â
Think of it this way: Florida is just throwing the first pie at their crabby Pope (the RNC leadership), which means THOUSANDS MORE PIES MUST BE THROWN, because that is how these things work.
From CNN:
Florida’s likely decision is expected to trigger a flood of calendar moves as other states look to shore up their relevance in the presidential nominating process.
Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina are almost certain to move up in order to defend their cherished early voting status.
“If Florida decides to go in January, they blow the RNC planned calendar wide open and we’ll be back to campaigning over the holidays as Iowa and New Hampshire hold their presidential caucus and primary in early January,” said Michigan National Committee member Saul Anuzis, who is on the RNC’s presidential nominating schedule committee.
RNC Chair Reince Priebus is begging Florida to just go away, which of course it cannot because, hello, Florida here, and even if it meant cancelling the Old Testament to move up the dates of the Gospels so it could go earlier, they would do that. How much does the RNC love Rick Scott right now? [CNN]
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What do you expect from the old people of Florida, who eat dinner at 2:00 and go to bed while the sun is still up. They like to do things early.
Plus, they're really old. Many of them could be dead by election day. This is out of necessity.
Why do dead people get to vote in Republican elections? VOTER FRUAD!
After the 2000 mess, Florida should just sink and never vote again.
The silver lining of climate change.
Your move, Arizona.
Florida is shaped like a cock. Can we just break it off and hate-fuck TX and AZ with it?
Just be careful that you don't spill anything on New Mexico!
The Santorum can be wiped off on Bristol's baby house.
Aw, OK will feel left out.
They've got a deep rooted sense of inferiority. That panhandle is substantially smaller than Florida's peninsula.
Texas is sort of orifice-shaped (orificial – is that a word?). It looks like if you twist it, it gets smaller or larger, depending on the way you twist it.
Actually, Florida is only copying Arizona which made its move last month. Jan Brewer threatened a January primary ages ago. In a negotiation with Prince Rancid of Preebus, she was awarded a Republican debate in Phoenix.
How great is: "Prince Rancid of Preebus!?"
Prince Rancid is a great punk band name!
Good idea. I certify you to use it. But always remember, Don't Go Down in the Basement.
Thanks for reminding people. I complained about the lack of a Wonkette post at the time Brewer made the move, but it fell of deaf ears.
I guess they're bored with AZ shenanigans. Some of them having been so much worse.
Reince Priebus…
His mother named him after the first few lines on an eye chart…
I always thought it sounded like a car. Which makes sense, because plenty of young boys have lost their virginity in the back of Reince Priebus.
Some girls, too.
Rinse Prepuce.
Lather, Reince, Priebus.
Dammit!
Two weeks of antibiotics cleared my reince priebus right up.
That's not a name, it's just one giant fucking typo.
I thought it was a Toyota Prius and she couldn't spell.
E
priebus
u n u m
Before Vana White turns over all the vowels it spells RNC PR BS.
Very nice.
If you take the "c" and move it to Priebus, you get Reine Precibus, which in French/Latin, means "queen prayer". Perhaps his mom was having delusions of grandeur?
I always thought it was Rinse Prepuce.
My primary is in my trousers.
When will the polls be out?
Don't you mean poles?
Is that a hanging chad, or do you need to see a doctor?
Once every four years.
Oh, snap! I am in for the local and state elections too.
Foreclosed real estate, Burmese pythons in the swamps, and angry baggers. I am thinking we give the place to Cuba.
Or Iran – it's only 90 miles from Florida.
Hell, give it to the baggers and let them make a little
dictatorshipmonarchydemocratic republic out of it. Like the Democratic Republic of Korea but with fatter people.And "The Villages," don't forget "The Villages!"
Even though dear ol' Mom lives there, (I call it Glennbeckistan), it's a terrible place.
Imagine clueless nutbags in golf carts, and you've got it!
But…we need all that oil in the Everglades!
And all that lard in Miami.
I was going to retire there. However, Rick Scott's election pretty much killed that thought. Which reminds me I have to close my bank accounts at the UCF Credit Union.
Cuba won't take 'em. Can you see the lines at the hospitals? Cuba would actually move down below the USA in healthcare if the had that many old timers.
Not so much that they're old timers…but fat, gluttonous old timers.
Except for Celebration, FL; it will be the Berlin for teatards and we will airlift cheese doodles and extra batteries for their Rascals, the poor souls.
Haven't Cubans run south Florida since the 50's anyway?
Alas, a certain other party went through this if I recall correctly.
Let me re-phrase that………Do you know who else …….?
Awesome PUMA POWAH! I am disrespectful to the Kenyan Usurper!
Memoreeeeeeeeeeees…….
Well, the DNC had the Florida crap/date swap forced on them, as I recall (which was why the Florida Dems claimed they shouldn't lose all their delegates), whereas now this is Republicans doing it to themselves.
This whole thing is freaking hilarious. Next up, all the states that refuse to use apportioned delegations instead of winner take all in the early going, to try and make their races even more important to candidates.
Lemme see, would that be…. I know! The Constitution Party! Where do I pick up my prize?
Rick Perry will announce that Texas has moved it's primary to three weeks ago. Turns out Rick Perry won by a landslide with 100% of his own vote.
With his recent debate performances, I think Ricky might be capable of screwing it up. Somehow, I suspect the winner, with 100% of the vote, would be "MIT ROMMEY IS A FAG!!!!!"
Pure genius. New Hampshire has a law where their primary gets moved to a week before anyone elses, automatically. If Florida would do that too the GOP would explode.
Oh, hell with it. Continuous, rotating, bi-monthly primaries .
Besides, it would be good for the economy.
In a few years all the primaries will be in January and then the presidential campaigns will be completely out of hand.
Let's get public funding for campaigns, which means free tv time on the airwaves owned by the public, short Presidential campaigns, and some sanity in the process.
Better yet, pitch the Presidency and go for a constitutional monarchy with a parliament. Snap elections, 6-week campaigns, no bullshit. I nominate our VP to be our first King – Joey Biden the First.
I'm pretty sure the Founding Fathers thought of that, but George Washington didn't wanna be the first Queen and no amount of arm twisting from Jeebus could change his mind.
No no no. This is about States Rights! Besides, soon enough the primaries will start before the previous election has ended, and we'll be in one continuous loop in which all the money goes to media companies. Then we can all work in advertising!
True.
Oh Tundra, you sweet thing. Do you need a hug?
(Sanity? In this process? Ha, ha, ha!)
Happy birthday. Only one day old, and already you are posting.
There you go, talking complete nonsense again!
To settle the matter, the RNC has ruled that all forty-nine states should move their Republican primaries to January second, in alphabetical order, according to time zones, with the short states at the front and the tall ones at the back. Otherwise: Chaos.
They could vote in order of intelligence. That might prove interesting.
or confusing.
I was thinking maybe the January between the presidential election and the inauguration. Let's get to these things early.
This would be a huge distortion in electrical politics. We are conditioned to have every political hopeful pledging to get behind whatever harebrained scheme for corn use Iowa can pull out of their collective ass.
Like Cornhole (the game, not the sexual and/or hygienic practice)?
Are we sure the press corps is not behind this? Maybe they want to stay out of snowy Iowa and New Hampshire…
I like to think that political reporters are a little tougher than Peter "I can't believe I might have to report on a snowy super bowl" King.
No, I am pretty sure they're not. And what's with Peter King bitching about Dunkin Donuts coffee? What a pussy.
From CNN, your LOL moment of the day…
South Carolina GOP Chairman Chad Connelly said the Republican Party respects "the rule of law"
Thanks for the howler, Mr Connelly–I needed that…
Unfortunately, the "laws" they respect were overturned by the thirteenth and fourteenth amendments, and the civil rights act.
Well they do like the law when its executing brown people and sending them back to Mexico. So he does have a point. Rights from the constitution they profess to love so, not so much.
My sister, of all people, had a good idea for primaries. The state with the highest percentage voter turnout in the last election goes first, then the next highest, etc. That would place Minnesota first, then Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Maine. Coming in last would be Arizona, Utah and Texas. And last, but least: West Virginia.
That might be the best idea your sister ever had.
I've posted this before, so I'll post it again. My idea has always been to go by population, with the four smallest states the first week, starting around February, and the then the next four, and so on for the first 10 weeks (mid-April), after which you would spend the April to the beginning of May doing 10-5 in pairs each week, with the top four (Texas, FLA, NY and CA) going last. If you are dead set on keeping Iowa and New Hampshire first and second, move them up to the last two weeks in January.
With this system, small candidates could get their start in small media buy states where personal campaigning would pay off. You would allow for momentum to build, since you wouldn't have to jump into large states/super Tuesday situations immediately, and it would give a chance for regional candidates to show their strengths. Plus, since it would be a fairer and more democratic system, with the delegates building, the later big states would be as important as the early small states (Someone who knows game theory can check me on that, but it would seem to be true).
It might not be perfect, but it would be a much better system than we have now, which counts on early momentum and then knock outs in the mass primaries in late February/Early March. Plus, it would get rid of this boring game of moving up everything until we are selecting nominees three years before the election. And it would help get rid of the power some states (Iowa, NH, South Carolina, and Florida, just to name a few), have over the whole process.
How much of a person do the culludz count in your system?
When you say that this would be a "fairer and more democratic system" you kinda lost me. What does that have to do with voting in America?
All I know is that my cat is winning his kittenwar election with 17% of the vote, which sounds about right. USA!
That is why it will never be adopted.
I can't believe your sister, of all people, came up with that idea. I never thought of her being that smart.
I never got past her wandering eye. And she really should do something about the facial hair.
I believe you have her upside down…
Hahahahaha.
You are all fine and thoughtful people, but STATES RIGHTS !!!9!!11!!!
A good idea is a good idea
Word to your mother . . .
werd!
America's Wang is getting all uppity now?
Who let it into the Viagra stash?
~
Rick Scott's insurance company needs to make money somehow.
Crabby Pope
Think I caught that in eastern Europe back in the 80's…took months to heal.
It's not two scoops of Pope, some backfin crab, and cheap cheese baked at 350 for ten minutes?
That's really not a bad idea.
This is great news! For Herman Cain!
Pizza on the house!!!
Um Godfather's Pizza, no thanks.
Pizza with a mouse!!!
Florida doesn't give a shit.
Honey, don't badger them.
Ah, the Honey Badger State.
Wisconsin Libel, yo!
Florida is A BADASS
They should all continue to move their primaries further and further back, until their primaries all happened last month. Then we could completely forgo this whole farce.
I'm writing letters to my state legislators to keep our state's primary in April, but make it for the 2016 elections.
That'll show all those other bastards.
So, America's flaccid member wants to get to the front of this particular train the Republicans want to pull on its citizenry. I say let the old folks go first, they haven't got much time anyway, you know.
That reminds me of the old Matt Groenig cartoon: Hey Europe suck my Florida.
Maybe the French would go for that. The Greeks would have a different idea.
At least it would be well oiled
One would hope!
I always wondered, if you send in your vote by mail ballot and die walking back from the mail box, does your vote count. Or is that only so in NJ?
Counts in Illinois, fer sure, unless the Postal Service dies first.
"WWRRMCD:" What Would Ronald Reagan's Moldy Corpse Do?
Moulder?
Sorry, wasn't sure if the question was rhetorical or not.
Fox Moulder?
Say "There you go again Florida"?
Pound on the lid of his coffin?
It wouldn't remember that he's dead.
Sell a ton of cheap "Made in China" WWRRMCD bracelets.
Hitler! …'s moldy corpse. At least, that's what happens in the historical zombie paranormal romance fanfic I wrote.
C'mon Florida, give New Hampshire a break! This stupid primary is all they have.
That and tax-free liquor outlets conveniently placed right over the Maine and Massachusetts borders. Open Sundays!
you forgot the fireworks!
I've lived and worked in all three states that border NH and I have to say, from nearly every perspective imaginable, they are a shitty neighbor.
I debated whether to include the fireworks (Live Free without Fingers or Die!) or not.
I'm all too familiar with NH (Maine native) and it's like militia country. Everyone I know who lives there thinks 16,000 residents equals the Big City and moves even farther into the backwoods. My uncle doesn't have a neighbor for miles and my in laws flip out everytime they have to take the turnpike out of state.
So, like Kentucky but colder and with non-rhotic accents?
Ha, New Hampshire is totally the Delaware of New England.
I have fond memories of those liquor runs, to the very first exit off the freeway past the Delaware border. Oh, Total Wine, you were indeed my truest friend, back in those days.
Mock not my houses of worship! From where I sit, I have 3 NHSLS within 10 minutes. Just knowing I'm only 10 minutes away from scotch provides more comfort than any priest I knew.
“If Florida decides to go in January, they blow the RNC"
OK, I'm listening, but it'll take more than a blow to join the GOP.
I for one am in favor of a challenge to our Iowa overlords, but not necessarily by the Alligator People.
$10 says they settle this with semi-automatic weapons.
Now that would be good for the country, don't you think?
The Yid Peninsula pushes to the front of the slop chute.
Remind me again why we give so much power to dipshit states like Iowa and New Hampshire to determine who the leader of the free world will be? I'd love it if every state held their primaries on the same day, then when there no clear leader, watched their delegates beat the shit out of one another at the convention a few months later.
Hasn't it been long established that anything having to do with elections and Florida is bad for the country?
Why does Florida hate the United States?
Remind me again why we give so much power to dipshit states like Iowa and New Hampshire to determine who the leader of the free world will be? I'd love it if every state held their primaries on the same day
All GOP primaries should be moved back to January 1985. It was morning in America and the Gipper could decide the winners.
I have a simple solution for the GOP simpletons. Why not have their lord and savior Jesus Christ sort out the mess? Are you there in heaven JC……..Jesus, are you there? Nope, no Jesus. Guns it is.
In their wemakethisshitupaswego primary machine, do the Rs have a Reince cycle? Likely it will start on Wednesday November 7, 2012, the day after Barry & Biden bury the Ron Paul / Nikki Haley dream ticket. That's when they'll Reince their Priebuses down the drain.
There are simply those times when one has to reince his priebus, you know?
His mother was drinking either Ballantine Ale, Ballantine, Falstaff, Haffenreffer, Kassel, Lone Star, Lucky Lager, Narragansett, Pearl, Rainier Ale, Regal, and/or Texas Pride…
The fact they were called "Crown Ticklers" is a thesis in itself…
Ballantine quarts with the puzzle on the cap
Couldn't help to notice I was caught in a speed trap
This is great news for the Palm Beach chapter of Jews for Buchanan.
That … was beautiful!
(sniff, sniff)
well this should be fun.
remember back in '08 when the dnc punished a bunch of states for this and then hillz and the whinging pantsuits blew a gasket and it was all bowser's fault somehow?
good times.
they blow the RNC
did cnn say this on purpose?
Anderson Cooper giggled and blushed. Just a little.
It's Florida – they might have said it on porpoise.
Are you serious, Reepubs? If the issue is "who gets the most influence" on whatever outcome is at stake — y'all are behaving as if any of these candidates holds presidential promise, or is consistently agreed upon or something.
Ugh, this fucking state. Here in the western panhandle, unless you're black, "progressive" means you smoke weed and support Ron Paul.
And now the Florida Election Thieves™ want to have an Early Bird Special for primary voting. So that Florida can have enough influence in national politics, you know.
"Here in the western panhandle"
Isn't that also called South Alabama?
Lower Alabama, the Redneck Riviera, Satan's Urinal, The Crappalachian Trail….
Apparently, I've had you geographically misplaced. FWB, Panama City, Florala?
Greater Metropolitan Pensacola. Home of the Blue Angels and Joe Scarborough. The birthplace of naval aviation. Gateway to Chumuckla. Hotbed of fervent fundamentalism. Envy of nearby Alabama and Mississippi.
Where you at, Whales?
This state's rights shit is really getting outta hand.
Suggestion: cancel the whole thing and save a lot of money for everyone all around. None of these lamebrains are going to beat Obama – as pathetic as much of his performance has been.
So the politicians in Florida actually think people WANT to be subjected to extra early campaigning and an intense bombardment of negative attack ads on tv? Go for it, you numbskulls.
I, for one, am anxious for the real side show to start. I'm set for popcorn, but will likely have to make a beer run or a couple dozen before then. Bring on the batshit crazy!!!
You know, I was thinking much the same thing. Every election season you hear people in Iowa and New Hampshire complaining about being endlessly pestered by phone calls and how they pretty much quit caring who wins, they just want it to be over. Are that many people in Florida whose kids never call?
I've waited a long time to say it: "This is good news for Barack Obama."
Clearly Florida won't go for Magic Underwear Willard; they'll go for batshit Perry in a New York minute. Fine with me. The quicker we bury Willard under mounds of Seamus shit, the better off we'll be.
Yeah I'm looking forward to seeing Mittens kick it up a notch once he's running from behind, as it were…
Actually, I think the limited polling that's been done so far suggests that Romney beats Perry in Florida.
Wonkette metaphor: THOUSANDS MORE PIES MUST BE THROWN
CNN metaphor: expected to trigger a flood
KBJ wins by one thousand style points.
Make the pies HIGHER!
When your state is the nation's limp dick you do what you can to get a little action.
Send in Lorena Bobbitt.
I hereby declare that the primary vote in HobbesEvilTwinachusetts will take place precisely 24 hours before whenever Florida holds its primary. Take that bitches.
It's a bit like letting your 3-year-old have the first shot at the county fair ring-toss.
Let 'em go first, say "That's cute," and move on to the serious states.
Um…sorry to be OT but the comments area regarding the NPR Wall St. Protests whiteout contains this announcement: "Commenting Disabled
Further commenting on this page has been disabled by the blog admin."
WTF?
I was going to comment about how that post has so few comments compared to the rest…
Nobody knows – this has been raised in almost every thread since. Go ahead and put your NPR snark anywhere else though – they don't seem to care about that. Also NPR in the meantime has been half-assedly covering the protest.
Haha NPR=Ken Layne's minions.
Has anyone already noticed that this is good news for the Mc Cain campaign?
This will fuck up NV's chance at relevance, since we'd have to call a special session of the leg to move ours ahead of FL. But we're just desperate enough to do it!
You've got Sharron Angle, for christsake. How much more relevant do you need to be?
In Rick Scott's ape brain it goes like this:
1. Move primary
2. ?
3. Profit!
4. Medicare fraud
5. Lawyer up and pay token fine
6. Teabagger darling
7. Rinse, lather, repeat
8. Find pants.
Rancid Pubis oops, Reince Priebus will have to dispatch the special "discussion" folks from the RNC to have a little chat with Ricky. I'll bet the mere mention of primary challenge will make him reconsider. Then again, like all of the latest crop of GOP governors he may be stupid enough to believe he is invincible. This will be entertaining, get the popcorn popping kids.
Speaking of Priebus, the new ad is waaaaaay creepy.
(A butt for a nose? Really?)
It's just like Xmas. The Crazy season gets earlier and earlier every year.
Does this mean The Falafel King will be on about our War Against Crazy? It is almost that time of the year, too. God goes in, Jesus comes out. Never a miscommunication (except for Mary trying to explain that one to her parents.)
So perfect. That was the analogy I'd been unable to summon up — wishing many thumbs… in your stocking this season!
Maybe Iowa can go back in time and vote last year.
Iowa's already there.
Yeah, well, guess what? Here in Washington we already had our republican primary, before anyone even thought about having one and Obama won because no republicans knew about it to vote. Take that.
This is bad news for One L Michele.
If Florida takes the place of Iowa will government start sucking up to orange growers instead of corn farmers?
Orangenol subsidies.
Upside: your car will never have scurvy again.
Downside: a glass of juice at Waffle House will set you back $8.99.
That, or the python leather lobby…
The best way I can think of for Florida to be relevant is to volunteer to be sold back to Spain to try to clear some of our debt. Or exchanged for a shit-ton of sangria; either way it's a win for America.
I just… the religious analogy Kirsten is trying to draw here… it just doesn't work and makes no sense. (4 things and 4 other things are automatically analogous?)
It's simply not funny.
Exegesis, baby. Interpretive theory where you can make anything anything! 5 is sacred because the first 5 commandments are about our relations to God, and the 2nd 5 are about our relations with each other! See! Best parlor game evah!
Florida, Nevada in a death match, with Skeletor and Ms Sleletor, going toe-to-toe …
I say we start with Georgia, quickly followed by Belarus.
If Iowa is gonna take Florida's sloppy seconds, I hope it uses a rubber.
Does Florida plan to drug test all the candidates?
That might be fun! Make them all pee in the cup at some embarrassing gathering!
Nice to see Florida getting proactive and fucking everything up earlier than they normally do.
How dare Florida cross Iowa. Don't they know how boring that is?
OT beyond your wildest dreams, but OOOOPSIE!, we're so sorry about our Nazi parade! And I was thinking about dressing my mini Jack Russell as lil Hitley for halloween.
My guess is that the school was founded by German missionaries long ago, so when they decided to have a parade to honor their founders, they Googled "German outfits" and came up with this.
All except for the woman in the last picture – she must have chosen some character from a Grimm's fairy tale. Though that witch costume is pretty sweet.
O_o
We (Michigan) tried this with Florida last go around, and it was no fun. The presidential candidates boycotted a stated that needed some serious attention given to its issues. Still, I support these moves. In fact, on a serious note, I think the state Democratic and Republican parties in states usually ignored should formally pull out of the national party and create state or regional parties to make the national party more responsive. To hold majorities in Congress, they'd have to court us or risk us caucusing with the other major party, or not caucusing at all.
So, yeah, to hell with Iowa and New Hampshire, and to hell with state-wide caucuses.
relevance in the presidential nominating process…
As if.
Tony Baloney!
Made of macoroni!
Riding on a pony!
HAHAHA!
This is going to put pressure on the snowbilly to toss her mystery-dead-animal hat into the ring post-haste. She's already missed out on, what, 40 or so debates, the Iowa Straw Sale, the Florida Pole, and many other God-given opportunities to strut her stuff. The Republican Party needz moar Sarah! Now! Run, Sarah, Run!
Sorry, Florida, you can vote as fast and hard and often as you want, but you're still stuck with the same gonzo choices.
Have they scheduled their 2016 primary yet?
The Oceania primary always comes before the Eastasia primary.
The GOP is at a crossroads. Who do they want to define them as a party? Florida's old white near-dead or Iowa's middle-aged white brain-dead?
What's wrong with starting all this shit this weekend? With the football season and the baseball playoffs, it'll be just one more reason to start drinking early.
What I was wondering. Did I miss another GOP debate that everyone's sleeping off the hangovers from? Are Riley and comrades finally succumbing to open-air sleep deprivation syndrome. And, how come I couldn't find this week any substantial replay of how our "GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN" was 'narrowly averted' yet again, amid all the Ashton Kutcher punk'd New Show's Producers headlines, or Will & Jada — Together/Apart Again What Do You Think? blah-encores..
Hey, it's a holiday. Or am I the only one who gets off for Rosh Hashanah here?
haha — I just realized I misconstrued IndiePalin's post: "What's wrong with"… and I finished her sentence in my head with 'starting the posts this morning.' Because my need for a.m. insomni-hangover-cure entertainment presupposes urging those at wonkette to somehow behave like the morning person I am not, on my behalf, at least til the caffeine kicks in.
Damn dre! You can't tell me that wonkette more hung over than me. Wakey wakey!!
Campaigning "over the holidays?" War on Christmas!!31!
Iowa should just solve this by declaring that the primary it holds in 2012 will be for the 2016 election cycle. Boom. FIRST.
And then Florida declares its primary is for the 2020 cycle. Before you know it, we're nominating Malia for the 2060 election.
The Iowa Tea Party movement has convened an emergency meeting to discuss and discover what the date will be the day before January 31st 2012. This herculean task is expected to take the better part of a week.
I hear Alabama wants to move theirs back to the third week in July.
I think the Greeks would be happier being pleasured by New Zealand.
How do you separate the Greek men from the Greek boys?
With a crowbar!
These days, I inhabit Groveland, CA,
Wide Spot in the RoadGateway to Yosemite.Actually, it's not bad. There are probably 4 or 5K permanent residents in the total area, and another couple K during the summer. Most of the vacationers, and the retiree cohort of the permanents, are from the Bay Area, so the sociopolitical ambiance is more like San Jose than like Central Valley. There are a certain number of would-be rednecks, but most of them have never met anyone like the folks who live thirty or forty miles inland from you. (As I recall).
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