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Troy Davis Execution Is Wingnut Chance To Talk Abortion, Obamacare

National pastimes die hard.The Napoleonic legal theory of “guilty until proven innocent, suckers” won a major victory for racism in the United States legal system last night with the execution of Troy Davis, a black man from Georgia convicted of the murder of a white police officer 22 years ago and sentenced to death under deeply dubious circumstances that has made everyone from the former director of the FBI to even the crazy Nazi Pope go, “R U F*#KING SERIOUS, AMERICA.” Yes, America is very serious about executing people, any people it can find! It is actually the only form of “American exceptionalism” left, since the U.S. is the last first world country to cling to the death penalty. While most sane people can recognize this as a pathetic failure of justice, the reliable crowd of violent sociopath wingnuts who crowd Twitter with incessant piles of garbage would like to weigh in and say, eh, “Since when is the death penalty a justice issue? It’s Obamacare and abortion discussion time, for no reason except racism.” Naturally.


Yes, why hasn’t NBC been reporting on all of its employees’ medical issues instead of discussing really anything else at all? That is the important thing here.

Yeah, everybody, there was a white guy who died. Why has everyone forgotten that a white guy died? A WHITE GUY. WHY IS EVERYONE FOCUSING ON THE BLACK GUY.

This whole case, it is about Obamacare. OBAMACARE KILLED TROY DAVIS.

Ugh. Just go look at the Think Progress collection of protester photos, to preserve your sanity. Not everyone in America is insane. [AP/ Twitter]

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      1. mumbly_joe

        Honestly, there's a common social-psychological thread here, and also with the whole "Obama's an illegal kenyan because we don't like his ideas" thing: Teabaggers, believe in a shame culture, like that thing people used to "other-ize" muslims back when we were looking for an excuse to invade Iraq. In essence, they believe that the only thing that matters is subjective, external conditions like societal condemnation, whereas modern Western standards of justice concern themselves with objective, internal measures such as 'guilt'. To the teabagger, living in a shame culture, it doesn't matter whether someone is guilty or not

        1. Mumbletypeg

          For me: how interesting the contrast, with yesterday's display of 'tards running illogical loops around their willful ignorance of evidence [of climate change]; then today those voices ride roughshod over protests that decry lack of [physical] evidence to condemn Troy. Their logical jumps over & around the obvious just astounds me.
          Culturally, from what you're saying, I realize demonization of otherliness is nothing new here – – that ilk will twist the means to fit their end – – your post makes me wonder how this "shame" culture departs in expression within places like Japan.. (at the risk of total departure from your point) a place where it manifests differently and feeds a different purpose such as "propriety"'s sake; whereas here, 'shame' in the land of the free gets full license to serve bigotry, xenophobia and sociopathology for a loose network of individuals out to 'prove' the prevail-itude of their backwards morals.

    1. Omophagist

      Wld be nice if those who didn't trust the gov't to get it right on healthcare felt the same way with our gov't making decisions on death penalty.

    2. GOPCrusher

      Don't quite grasp the wingnut outrage over why the Lawrence Brewer execution didn't get the same level of protest as Troy Davis's.
      Perhaps it had something to do with the fact that Brewer was bragging about being a White Supremist scumbag that dragged a black man behind his pickup truck, while Troy Davis denied his guilt as part of his final words.

      1. Sue4466

        Or perhaps it had to do with Brewer being white, his victim black, and thus the outrage over his execution should be more! Oy vey.

        Though part of it is that the anti-death penalty movement has shifted to making arguments about why the death penalty is wrong *in this particular case* rather than opposing the death penalty in all cases. I oppose it in all cases. I'm surprised that right wingers–who say they want limited government–seem okie dokie with giving the government the power to kill its own citizens (while simultaneously denying said citizens the right to kill themselves).

        The right is all about a culture of life, after all.

  1. Barb

    'We need to execute people like (John Walker Lindh) in order to physically intimidate liberals.''
    —Ann Coulter
    I'd call her a "cunt" but I don't think she has one.

          1. chicken_thief

            I saw her on Bill Maher and her tits looked real. Not that she whipped them out, but they moved "naturally" when she leaned forward/sat back and did that head whip thing to get her stringy mane out of her face. Not that I was focused on them or anything. I mean I did glance, but, you know…. appropriately…

            Ok, ok. I admit it. I like tits. And hers looked pretty good, espeshually for a man. Besides, what was I supposed to look at – her Adams Apple?!

    1. Texan_Bulldog

      I imagine it's got teeth like a bear trap that snaps shut on the poor unsuspecting dude's dick…which is why this lovely blonde, blue-eyed paragon of virtue is still single! (Oh, and the whole being a class A bitch.)

  2. x111e7thst

    I refuse to have anything to do with Michelle Malkin unless she is wearing her cheerleader outfit and shaking her pom poms.

    1. BerkeleyBear

      Well, he was scheduled for 3 – count em! – in one week, which would have resulted in massive TP spooging at the Florida debate/panderfest next week, but that pesky Supreme Court delayed 2 of them (the black dudes whose convictions were marred by racial animum). But he still got 1 – and for once, one where the racism was in the crime (dragging Mr. Byrd behind a truck) not the punishment. So he's still a death penalty All-Star, and on pace to be the Hank Aaron of killing in the US, just not the Barry Bonds/Mark McGwire (compelete with needles) of the death penalty.

  3. FakaktaSouth

    Every Ann Coulter statement ever:
    I am trying to say something so ridiculous and "offensive," so out of bounds, so impertinent and yet somehow still so trite, simplistic, and cliche that people will have to talk about me.

    AND Crap. I just did it. Whatever. She sucks.

    1. jodyleek

      And, to top it off, she wears a cross and spouts the most evil shit, for fun and profit! Jokes on us, I guess.

      1. glamourdammerung

        Erickson likes to go on about following "the Lord's will" in between bearing false witness against folks (like claiming Souter was a "goat fucking child molester").

  4. Sparky_McGruff

    As usual, Erick Erickson sees a valid point, then makes a U-turn and drives a few blocks away. If Obamarcare soshulist medisuns is as terrible as he says, well… it can be fixed. If the state of Jaw-Juh botched the trial of Troy Davis, well, too bad.

    Oh, nevermind. There's more brown skinned people where he came from, so who really cares if the trial was botched. He's obviously guilty — just look at his face (hint: it's black). If it wasn't that crime, well, he was certainly guilty of something else.

    1. Sue4466

      Some halfwit today said there's no point talking about whether Troy Davis was innocent or not. Because he's dead, so it's "all water under the bridge." Because this will never ever happen again. The end.

      And, by the same halfwit logic, there was never any reason to prosecute anyone for the cop's death because dead = water under bridge, let's move on!

    1. Doktor Zoom

      Don't be ridiculous. Innocent people don't get executed, or even convicted. Why would an innocent person ever be accused of a crime?

      Also, what are you hiding?

    2. chicken_thief

      You'd think that seeing former FBI Director Sessions name on the list of "Let's Take Another Look at This Conviction" might make them reconsid….. wait, I forget who we were talking about here. Never mind.

  5. Rosie_Scenario

    R.I.P., Troy Davis. A sad day as another person is murdered by the state (GA this time), in our name.

  6. BarackMyWorld

    Consider this…At some point in the future, a black person who works for MSNBC may use Obamacare to get an abortion. And then the circle will be complete.

    1. PsycWench

      I'm sure no white person who works for Fox has used any form of insurance for an abortion. Probably a lot of "D&C"s though.

        1. Limeylizzie

          Excellent, she looked insanely hot the other day she had on a tight, cream skirt and knee-high boots and some kind of form-fitting blouse, she has an amazing body.

          1. V572 Moon!

            So, we met at O'Hare (all I had to tell her was that I grew up on the South Side) and limo-ed to the Drake, where we had a lake-view suite overlooking Oak Street Beach, where the critical scenes of David Mamet's great movie "Things Change" were filmed. Tamron likes fine wines, of course, and gentle, langorous oral sex with the lights from Lake Shore Drive glinting across the ceiling.

            Then, at 5:00 AM, I turned on "Morning Joe," of course, and she fled.

          2. Chet Kincaid

            ANCHOR LIBEL!!

            We met in the darkened studios of MSNBC off-air during a prison show marathon. My probing fingers unbuttoned, unsnapped and unzipped every item of her delicious ensemble to reveal the glory of her taut, caramel body. I held her gently but firmly against the green screen as we made torrid, urgent love amid the howling winds of Hurricane Irene footage.

    2. BerkeleyBear

      And if they admitted it on air, while condemning an execution of a person convicted under dubious circumstances, the resulting mushroom cloud of right wing exploding heads could be seen from space. Awesome!

  7. metamarcisf

    Wld be nice if those who trust gov't to get it right on the death penalty felt the same way with gov't making our healthcare decisions.

  8. Rosie_Scenario

    "I refuse to believe corporations are people until Texas executes one." –
    Ara Rubya

          1. snoopyfan2010

            And I thought it was common greed and selfishness that screwed both of them up. Where do I get this misinformation from???

    1. Sparky_McGruff

      I refuse to believe corporations are people until Texas executes an entire board of directors. Or at least a CEO or two.

    2. DalePues

      Thanks! something like that has been causing my scalp to itch for a while now. Corporations are not people, that is…..seems like that would be pretty easy to prove, yet it may take the kind quote you posted for the fact to penetrate the scalp.

  9. Respitetini

    I look at those kids camped out on Wall St. and think maybe there's some hope for our country. Then crap like this and I wonder if we ought to bother.

    1. GOPCrusher

      Like they said on Keith Olbermann last night, if they were Tea Baggers, every media outlet on the planet would be broadcasting about it. Instead it's a group of people pointing out the obvious, that unfettered capitalism is the root of all evil, and it doesn't even get a blurb in the New York Times.

  10. GhostBuggy

    Don't forget all the people pointing out he had 22 years to "prove his innocence." Some real legal scholars, there.

    1. CZL

      Except after a conviction, where the state had the burden of proof, the burden shifts to a habeas applicant claiming actual innocence to establish that innocence by clear and convincing evidence.

      If you're not a lawyer, don't pretend to understand post-conviction procedure.

  11. BaldarTFlagass

    Sarah is mad that Alaska doesn't have a death penalty for her to have used during her half-term. "I'd-a mowed 'em down!"

  12. YasserArraFeck

    OK, sure, the black guy got killed, but the real victim here is Lou Sarah. Where is her Twitter comment, hmm? Why do you hate her? Why do you hate America?

      1. SorosBot

        She's probably just going through a depressive phase; once her bipolar disorder has her back in manic mode she'll be saying incredibly stupid and offensive things again.

      1. chicken_thief

        Or fucked up religions like the Jooz, Muslins, and Boodists. Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ!!! Jesus Christ!!!!

      2. Redhead

        And there's still a 50-50 chance the zygote will turn out to be a man. Once it's a born person, you KNOW it's a woman/brown/muslin/etc, and not a white Christian man, so you can do whatever you want!

  13. Captain_Quark

    This is why we must work diligently to keep Sharia law from being established here. In that barbaric system, people are put to death by stoning. Civilized societies like ours use lethal injection, because that's what Jesus meant when he said no sinner can cast the first stone.

    1. YasserArraFeck

      "….let he who is without sin swab the spot with an alcohol pad and stick the first IV….."

      The prose lacks a certain majesty, indeed

    2. BaldarTFlagass

      Just imagine, if the technology had existed, all the Christians today would be worshipping a syringe instead of a cross. Or a cute little electric chair pendant around the neck.

      1. Chichikovovich

        The resurrection story would also be more compelling in that case. Especially if, for comic relief, the left and right legs got mixed up. Then Christ could tell Peter: "Three times before the cock crows you will laugh and call me 'stumbles'. And Peter would be, like, "No way Lord, you must be confusing me with Thaddeus or Bartholomew". But you know old Rocky, he just couldn't help himself sometimes.

    3. SorosBot

      It's very important to make sure that executions are as safe, painless and comfortable as possible for the executioner.

      1. GunToting[Redacted]

        Some are arguing that a more humane way to execute someone would be a bullet to the head. There appears to be enough evidence that lethal injection results in pain and suffering for the executed, while shooting someone at close range with the correct round is nearly foolproof. Of course, this would result in some messy cleanup, and would also serve to bring home the fact that we are, you know, killing a guy. Giving someone a shot just doesn't produce the same visceral feelings.

  14. Poindexter718

    Erickson, you venal fat feck, here's a better question that doesn't rely on your bogus premise: Why do conservatives, who generally believe the government gets NOTHING right have this innate faith in its infallability when it comes to capital punishment?

    1. LetUsBray

      Hey, they have the same faith when it comes to invading random countries for dubious reasons.

      The right just distrust the government when it comes to helping people. When it's to be used to hurt or, better yet, kill people, why, that's FREEDOM!!!11!

    2. prommie

      Typical conservatives have no faith at all in the courts. But they have complete faith in the doctrine of police infallibility. They looove authority and force and power, and therefore the sight of armed men in blue uniforms makes their groinal areas tingle. The courts, they are just typical bumbling mddling government, but the police (and the soldiers), they are manly heroes who do no wrong, and they have no connection to the government.

  15. V572 Moon!

    Troy Davis was a black man from Savannah. Clarence Thomas is a black man from Savannah (well, Pin Point, a suburb thereof). Does this mean anything?

    Bob fucking Barr and his weird mustache were against this. What does it take to persuade these people?

        1. V572 Moon!

          Man, I adore Savannah. "The Book" (as Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil is called there) only began to do it justice, and the movie was not nearly so good as that.

          Paula Deen's place is a chancre on a great city, serving TGI Friday's-style food to pathetic tourists who actually line up to to go into her cholesterol-delivery unit.

          Elizabeth's on 37th, on the other hand, serves spectacular meals without pretense in a beautiful old house.

      1. Lascauxcaveman

        I think Bob Barr is just standing on the core Libertarian value that it's OK to kill cops, if you feel it necessary.

    1. chicken_thief

      Clearly Barr has been drinkin the koolaid. He'll come to his senses after a spell. And if he doesn't, well, it don't really matter any more.

  16. littlebigdaddy

    I would not be surprised if one of the Repug candidates suggested that we bring back public execution, you know, for the lulz.

    1. Beowoof

      Oh they plan to raise money to do more by making them pay per view. No tax No tax No tax, kill the browns on TV.

  17. LetUsBray

    Someone got executed. Even better, someone who's not white. Even better yet, someone who possibly isn't even guilty. Figures Teabag Nation would be walking around with sticky shorts this morning.

  18. glamourdammerung

    It would be nice if the same morons that cry about how the government is never to be trusted did not scream about how the government is always correct when executing black men.

    1. SayItWithWookies

      If it's any consolation, most of them are perfectly comfortable with a certain — um — degree of error.

  19. Goonemeritus

    It’s interesting that conservatives line up so closely on this issue with Chairman Mao who felt capital punishment was the one indispensible tool of the state. And yes I don’t trust any government with this power and no I don’t have a problem with single payer healthcare. Republican’s need to change their elevator speech to “Totalitarianism it’s worth another look”.

  20. Sue4466

    I'm a bit astonished having talked to some right winger who says that we should trust the PROFESSIONALS (his caps, not mine) to know more about the case and to have gotten it right. Because the GOP is all about trusting the government when it comes to killing the browns and restricting women's reproduction, but not so much on regulating safe cars, food, or children's toys.

      1. Sue4466

        Yeah, there's the problem, trying to find logic or factual basis for right wing stupidity. Ain't gonna work.

    1. sezme

      I think you've summed up the GOP platform which has nothing to do with trusting or not trusting the government, and everything to do with fucking the powerless. See, it suddenly makes complete sense.

        1. not that Dewey

          Or the British and the Austrians. This is pretty fucked up:


          Last year, California and Arizona illicitly obtained supplies of the drug, manufactured in Austria, from a UK wholesaler, Dream Pharma, which had obtained it from the British licence holder, Archimedes Pharma UK. Arizona used the drug in the execution of a man in October. After an outcry, the British government imposed export controls on the drug in November to prevent its use in executions.

  21. SorosBot

    As Antonin Scalia said, "There is no basis in text, tradition, or even in contemporary practice (if that were enough), for finding in the Constitution a right to demand judicial consideration of newly discovered evidence of innocence brought forward after conviction." Who cares if the guy was actually guilty or not, there's some killin' to be done, time to celebrate!

        1. Lascauxcaveman

          Because he knows the Constitution, in its original text, having been anointed by the tears of angels and the holy urine of The Lord, is perfect in every way and has never been edited, changed or amended and never will be because it's perfect andneverchanges and only things that are EXPLICITLY WRITTEN DOWN BLAHBLAHBLAH NANANA NANANANANANANANA I CAN"T HEEEEAR YOU!!!!!!

          This is our long-sitting Associate Justice Scalia's position in a nutshell.

      1. SorosBot

        Nope! http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/91-7328.ZC1

        He also says in the opinion that such judicial revue is unneccessary because "it is improbable that evidence of innocence as convincing as today's opinion requires would fail to produce an executive pardon." Try telling that to Rick Perry and Georgia's current governor (whoever that is). Oh and the appellant in that case was executed just a few months later too. What a wonderful country this is.

        1. Chichikovovich

          Georgia is one of three states that do not allow executive clemency by the governor. (After the out-of-control power grabs of the Talmadge governorship, the Georgia legislature scaled back the governor's powers immensely.) But Scalia is like a soooper-genius, we are constantly assured, so I'm sure he knew that.

        2. Sue4466

          Because political expediency being prized above any other goal by every politician, killing some poor is worth it to secure re-election.

          I believe the adage is something like, it is far better that one innocent man be executed than for a politician to risk losing an election.

    1. Tundra Grifter


      One could respond to Justice Scalia that the US Constitution forbids "unusual punishment."

      However, since executing possibly innocent people is becoming more common…

      1. SorosBot

        It's probably been just as common forever; but thanks to modern technology it's easier to prove someone innocent now than it used to be. Stopping their execution, however, is a different story.

      2. AJWjr.

        Isn't he the guy who sez torture isn't punishment, it's just interrogation? So if we re-classify executions as interrogations, no problem!

    2. An_Outhouse

      Maybe its time for a basis to be inserted in the text and practice. "newly discovered evidence of innocence" sounds like a Big Fucking Deal.

    3. UnholyMoses

      Um … so if that's the case, why the fuck do we have a system of appeals courts? Aren't they there to provide "'judicial consideration of newly discovered evidence of innocence brought forward after conviction."

      Or did I miss something … ?

      And would it be wrong for me to wish for Scalia to get hit by a bus? A big one. Going somewhere just short of the speed of light (to ensure they can't find all the bits).

      Also, too: Looooonnnnnggggg time lurker (from all the way back in the "All Buttfucking, All the Time" days) and this is my first ever post.

      Now if you'll excuse me, I have pieces of cherry to clean up. brb

  22. Texan_Bulldog

    Come on Ann, Michelle & Erick. Where's the love for Lawrence Brewer? He also got the needle last night.

    I just want to know who at MSNBC got an abortion? Dylan Ratigan? Lawrence O'Donnell?

  23. KeepFnThatChicken

    Erickson, great new low there. Troy's dead, and you use it to excuse your healthcare rant.

    Karma kept my ideals in check for a while a while. Now that I realize there may be no karma, I believe you really need a good ass-whipping.

  24. glamourdammerung

    I could think that the guy was totally guilty and just the absolute filth of the Earth and not been as gleeful about this as these cretins. How does one get so morally depraved as to look at a murder and cheer it on?

    1. jodyleek

      Those good Christian folks, casting the first stone and extolling Pontius Pilate to "kill him"…what a virtuous bunch! Blech.

      I declare it "Punch a hypocritical Xtian in the gut" Day.

    2. Mumbletypeg

      part nature, part nurture… the ghoul in their genes + the 'troll' in their upbringing.. b/c clearly they reap satisfaction from not just pouncing on an opportunity to troll, but anticipate it even; that, & any compassion-resembling impulse must've gotten scrubbed out with some mutantly devolving strain of antipathy.

      I'm w/ you: I try to think whether I've experienced *that* level of desire to dance on someone's grave or someone's misfortune. I think it comes down to a distinction between righteous anger vs. hate-driven grandstanding. With so many bilious ragers in their audience they only get rewarded for their efforts and the cycle fuels itself.

  25. Mumbletypeg

    ERICK-san, you wisecracker — surely you jest. Isn't there a wildfire or twenty over Texas-way you could apply your false metric to? Some *Gawd*-beseeching prayer warriors "can't get it right" down there either: if you can't help them save face, save your own by driving that direction anyway.. and just keep driving…

  26. jodyleek

    Didn't Jesus say something about what you do to the least of these, so have you done to me? Seems like the devil went down to Georgia and killed Hay-seuss last night. And the conservatards rejoice! Sickening.

    1. widestanceshakedown

      The lot will be doing lines of Bachmann's migraine meds on the podium. Or perhaps the teleprompters, since they don't use them.

    2. James Michael Curley

      Damn! Tonight. I have no excuse to be out of the house so Ms Curley will have it on the BigTV; and I'm out of Xanax.

    3. AJWjr.

      How DARE they interfere with TeeVee's ongoing premiere week? I'll just come here later and read the aftermath.

    4. GOPCrusher

      New drinking game, every time someone mentions the fact that Lawrence Brewer was executed and it did not receive the same attention that Troy Davis got, do a shot.

    1. jodyleek

      I can't help but think that if the she-beast does get knocked up, the tiny zygote commits hari kari to avoid being the spawn of that septic farce.

      1. anniegetyerfun

        It's possible that her uterus is too inhospitable an environment for developing fetii, but there's just something about her obsession with abortion that strikes me as… well, more "off" than with most conservatards.

  27. Doktor Zoom

    Has anyone else here read Rick Perlstein's Nixonland? He makes a pretty powerul case* that virtually all of our present culture-war battles began brewing in the 1960s, and that the figure who most effectively exploited the divisions between aggrieved "ordinary folk" and uppity libruls-n-blacks was Richard Nixon. It's one hell of a read, and has been on my "gotta-get-to-it" list for a while. Back in August, I saw that Barry was reading it too, which put it on the top of my book pile.

    EDIT for on-topicness: There's a certain law-n-order mentality that will always celebrate an execution and deny the possibility that an innocent person might be convicted of a capital crime…and those folks will never be convinced by eggheads who drone on about "fairness." They want swift retributive justice, and see any equivocation as weakness and siding with killers.

    * And of course, he's far from the only person to point that out…

      1. BaldarTFlagass

        Yeah, I'm sitting here, saying to myself, "No shit, Sherlock." And I was a child, in the 60s (though I probably would have said "No duh, Dexter" back then).

      2. Doktor Zoom

        Yup, was but a child when it all happened; the "culture wars is fallout of the 60s" part is indeed fairly obvious; what I'm finding interesting is Perlstein's careful dissection of just how adroitly Nixon–"a serial collector of resentments"– capitalized on them and basically wrote the playbook for politics ever since.

        I've always hated Nixon as a slimy bastard–the book is not so much about surprising new revelations as it is about looking at the mechanism of how Nixon exploited threads of anger and distrust that have been here all along.

    1. James Michael Curley

      Hard Hat Riot, NYC, 1970 says it all. Two hundred construction workers armed with debris from a construction site beat down on high school and college students protesting their pending doom in the draft and Viet Nam and, as the Watergate tapes reveal, Nixon laughs and offers to bring the hard hats to the White House.

    2. V572 Moon!

      When I was first old enough to vote in a presidential election, I was already in Vietnam, so at least had the modest satisfaction of voting against the man who drafted me, Richard "Milhaus" Nixon. That of course was the landslide of '72, when McGovern was defeated by the three A's: amnesty, acid and abortion.

      So having grown up in Nixonland, I feel I can excuse myself from reading about it. When you think of Nixon and criminal justice, it's hard not to recall him pronouncing Charles Manson guilty before the trial was over. And the Trickster was a Duke-educated lawyer!

  28. BaldarTFlagass

    "So #RIPTROYDAVIS is trending, and #RIPMARKMCPHAIL is not…"

    Maybe if you spelled his last name right. MacPhail, you stupid cunt.

    1. Texan_Bulldog

      Funny you should mention that. I did the Google on Mark McPhail and found out he was a dean at some college in WI. Didn't know WTH she was talking about.

  29. mumbly_joe

    Re: Ewick: Weird, I don't remember hearing teabaggers cheer for Obamacare, at the most recent Republican debate.

  30. smitallica

    I would like to hate-fuck Michelle Malkin to death, then use her tiny corpse to beat Ann Coulter to death. Is that wrong?

    1. glamourdammerung

      Since Malkin is one of those terror babies that the conservatives scream about, I am pretty sure she has no legal rights. And Coulter is in drag, so I am assuming the same applies there. Just do it in the South and you should be fine.

      1. Neilist_Returns

        And why do you hate the transgendered/transsexuals so much, Glams?

        Poor Mr/Ms Coulter needs your understanding, not your vile, reflexive scorn.o

        Does a poor tranny need to be a nine-year-old child soldier chopping the arms off pregnant women to get your sympathy?

    2. widestanceshakedown

      Not if you remember to hide the bodies amongst Rush's sweaty empire of fat folds, so he can absorb them.

      (I'd like to repeatedly feed Malkin more flakes than she can consume in 10 minutes, so her tank goes septic.)

  31. weejee

    Speaking of throwing old stones…

    ♪♫ When you're sittin' there, on your silk upholstered chair
    Talking to some Teatards that you know
    I'll be on a green gurney, with a needle stuck in me
    With the warden set to take my blues away
    Take me down Ricky Perry, take me down
    I know you think you're the king of all around
    And you can send me dead flowers at my lynchin'
    Send me dead flowers by the dead US mail
    Send me dead flowers at my injection
    And I hope that some others will piss upon your grave ♫♪

    1. GunToting[Redacted]

      Brilliant. The only quibble I have is that they USPS will be defunct soon, so you'll have to change that to the private sector shipping company of your choice. DHL would probably fit rhythmically, if they are still in business.

        1. GunToting[Redacted]

          Acoustic strummer, mainly. I've mostly been playing mandolin over the past few years (my garage band does a cover of Dead Flowers). I did just buy a new acoustic (Seagull) which sounds great and was a good price. I'm trying to work on fingerstyle blues, and my ancient deep-bowl Ovation wasn't cutting it.

          1. weejee

            Maybe try sliding around on a round neck Dobro in open G? I have one that's fun to do the bluez. Also open G is where Keef lives. Finger picking, though I go back to the 000 most usually in standard tuning.

  32. slithytoves

    I look forward to teaching my class about Gandhi today, particulary this quote:"Satyagrapha (clinging to truth) excludes violence because people are not capable of knowing the absolute truth and therefore are not competent to punish."

    That's all I got today.

    1. jodyleek

      Did Ghandi really say the thing about liking the Christ but not Xtians, because they are nothing alike? I hope so, because that is about the most truth ever spoken by anyone re: Xtianity. And even more true today.

    2. Mumbletypeg

      That's a class I'd rather be sitting in on .. than here at work anyway…

      From Democracy Now on 9/11:
      "…This year on September 11, India will mark the 105th anniversary of Mahatma Gandhi launching the modern nonviolent resistance movement."

      Well it was news to me since I"m under/miseducated on most Asian histori-culture (I remember being taught Indira & Mahatma = no relation), but this item was at least something I could 'celebrated' that day, anyway~

  33. freakishlywrong

    Only in Conservativeland, ( a place I'm really tired of living), can being "Pro-life" be twisted in to "insane support of the death penalty, just to piss off libruls"

  34. Chet Kincaid

    I will risk my liberal bona fides by saying that the death penalty doesn't bother me, and is in many cases richly deserved. But one death of an innocent man invalidates the whole system. That's one thing IL's penultimate corrupt governor got right.

    1. fuflans

      i think i don't really believe in the death penalty but i do know for sure it's ineffective, grossly expensive and often kills innocent people. so – like the war on drugs – just stupid policy.

      but then again, we are often a nation of stupids.

    2. glamourdammerung

      Exactly. Between the conservatives high-fiving and claiming it was up to Davis to "prove he was innocent", it is hard to see the death penalty as being compatible with our proclaimed government.

    3. BerkeleyBear

      The only thing that bothers me is that I know I'm not fair enough to apply it in an unbiased manner even if I was the sole arbiter of the case. Which probably means 12 folks who can't get out of jury duty listening to a DA whose main job is to be seen as "tough on crime" and can use a disproportionate amount of public funds to secure a death penalty conviction are probably not going to apply it in an unbiased manner. Especially since the odds are pretty good the defendant has one or more of a crappy defense, crappy lawyer or horribly unsympathetic personal nature, since otherwise the case would have settled out long before the jury got to the point of considering the death penalty. The deck is just too stacked and way too uneven for me to be comfortable with it as a tool of a society that even pays lip service to the idea that justice should include some element of evenhandedness.

    4. snoopyfan2010

      That sounds nice but there a too many people in this country who get away with murder because of their social status, wealth or connections for me to believe that it is a fair punishment. As long as that's the case, I don't support it. Also too, so many of those who support the death penalty are of the evangelical-super-Christian variety. But they seem to forget that their lord and savior was also an innocent man who was put to death. But then those are minor details I guess. As a Cat-o-lick, I agree with the man in the red shoes (pope). This was wrong.

  35. Ruhe

    I think somewhere lost in one of the many correspondences between Descartes and his critics there was one fellow who pointed out to the thinker that his proof of the existence of God is refuted by the very existence of humans. If God existed he'd find humans so loathsome that he'd have smacked us right out of the universe years ago. I think Nietzsche and a few others (Holderlein, maybe) came to the conclusion that at some point God had simply lost interest in us. America: an ongoing effort to get Jesus to pay attention that fails perennially. But does that prove that He does not exist. If the Higgs Boson refuses to appear at current energies does that mean it doesn't exist or that we should amp the experiment up? More senseless violence, America! Jeebus can't ignore you forever.

    1. weejee

      But real 'Murcians have to try to put the whores in front of Descartes.

      / sorry, too early in the morning here on the left coast for that..needz moar coffee

    2. Chichikovovich

      Interesting line about what God's attitude to man might be, but I'd be astonished to learn that it came from Descartes' correspondence. First of all, I'm pretty sure that no-one Descartes corresponded with, except perhaps Gassendi, was an atheist, and second, even if one of the correspondents was an atheist, there is no way anyone would admit it in a letter. People still got imprisoned and (in some places) killed in nasty ways for that. (Several correspondents rightly argued that Descartes' purported proofs of God's existence were invalid, but no-one denied God existed.)

      Also, the idea that man is to disgusting for God to tolerate is a basic feature of hard-core Christian theology, of a kind that most of Descartes' correspondents (again, except maybe Gassendi, and perhaps Hobbes too) accepted. Because of the fall, we are hopelessly degraded, and we would have no complaint if God were to abandon us. But God is such a great guy that he loves us and offers us forgiveness (subject to certain minor clauses in the fine print) anyway.

  36. El Pinche


      1. BaldarTFlagass

        I saw in an article in the New Yorker last month that we all have around 4% Neanderthal in our genetic makeup, but I think that number is a bit low for some of our fellow citizens.

  37. BerkeleyBear

    Georgia and Texas remain the best evidence of Thurgood Marshall's view, as expressed in cases involving (shockingly enough) Georgia and Texas., Which was basically that even if you buy the idea that we should stick with the 18th century view in the Constitutions that killing folks should be part of the law, people are too fucking stupid to be trusted with anything like the death penalty, since it almost always gets applied in an arbitrary manner than has more to do wiht how sympathetic the particular victim(s) and/or criminal is than any even handed application of justice.

    He was right then, he is right now. I guess my point is we should all watch Laurence Fishburne play him in Thurgood and weep that his beautiful mind was replaced on the Supreme Court with Clarence Thomas. Sob!

    1. AJWjr.

      It's like rats vs squirrels. Both are rodents, both vectors for plagues, yet squirrels are deemed cute because they have a furry tail whereas rats have an ugly bald tail and therefore must be killed. Story of my life.

  38. subsum

    One of the racist motherfuckin' white trash hillbillies that killed James Byrd in Jasper, Texas, was also executed yesterday. I'm okay with that.

    1. grex1949

      Not me. Ever. Under no circumstances should the justice system be able to take a life. What's wrong with punishing a truly vile asshole like the James Byrd perps by locking them up in prison for the rest of their natural lives? This doesn't sound like a picnic to me, and in the (occasional) circumstance in which DNA evidence or some other irrefutable means surfaces to exonerate such an individual, we won't have to visit his grave to say, "Sorry 'bout that."

  39. Terry

    "Yeah, everybody, there was a white guy who died. Why has everyone forgotten that a white guy died?"

    Because the white guy who was executed was one of the ones who tied that black man behind a pickup and dragged him for three and a half miles until he was finally decapitated when his head hit a culvert. There was no controversy at all as to whether the white guy was guilty or not.

    Is Michelle Malkin defending the practice of dragging people behind pickups until they die?

    1. El Pinche

      Malkin makes a living being a self-loathing minority. If she sympathizes with a black man in any way, her inbred cromagnon fans would turn on her .

    2. Terry

      Ok, I merged two rants there. The white guy I was referring to was a man executed yesterday in Texas who was one of the ones who dragged James Byrd behind a pickup until he died. THAT execution didn't receive the same degree of outrage because there was no indication at all at he might be innocent.

      The death penalty should be abolished for the following reasons, among others:
      – We can't risk executing innocent people
      – It's not the deterent people say it is. In the Byrd case, it didn't stop those guys from chaining him to a truck, did it?
      – We risk creating martyrs out of people like McVey
      – The whole "Thou Shalt Not Kill" thing. Should the State be killing people?

      1. glamourdammerung

        Actually, Brewer claimed he was not only unrepentant but that he enjoyed it and would do it again if he had the chance. The comments he made implying he would do more if he had the opportunity is also something that makes it real hard to suggest he may have been innocent.

        Though he wanted the death penalty because he did not want to do life in prison. That was a pretty good argument for sparing him to me.

        1. Biel_ze_Bubba

          A decent society should take pride in not lowering itself to the level of its worst criminals.

          Putting a bastard like Brewer to sleep is letting him off easy. Having to spend the rest of his worthless life in a prison (well-populated by large, mean men of color) would be SO much more satisfying, from my point of view.

    1. glamourdammerung

      Given conservative issues with projection, that makes his comments about Souter being a "goat fucking child molester" a bit more creepy.

  40. Sue4466

    “It is tempting to pretend that [persons] on death row share a fate in no way connected to our own, that our treatment of them sounds no echoes beyond the chambers in which they die. Such an illusion is ultimately corrosive, for the reverberations of injustice are not so easily confined . . . The way in which we choose those who will die reveals the depth of moral commitment among the living.”

    McClesky v. Kemp, Justice William J. Brennan (dissenting).

  41. Pat_Pending

    I've always been anti-death penalty, pro vigilante. Catch someone in the act of murder, you get to take 'em out with extreme prejudice. Of course, if someone catches you in the act of murdering someone who is in the act of murdering someone, I suppose they could murder you. And so on.

  42. chascates

    Truly we are returning to the Great Days of the Founding Fathers! From an account in colonial times:
    "Crowds of thirty thousand or more were expected to be at high profile hangings; viewing stands had to be erected to contain the throngs. Often chaos erupted out of these bloodthirsty crowds — a viewing stand collapsed at an execution in Cooperstown, New York, and killed two people."

  43. DustBowlBlues

    I'm going to say this on every topic today: Jim Lehrer is fucking prescient. The old man pulled his eyes away from the porn last night and we began reading "Mack To The Rescue", a One Eyed Mack novel. The first chapter opens with Gov. Buffalo Joe Hayman aka "The Chip" to his detractors, appearing on the biggest radio station in OK, an "anger radio" station show called "Sooner Sam Screams at Noon." Joe promises to privatize the entire state government, because what the people of OK want is to "make government work by getting the government out of it. " Lt. Gov Mack thinks this insane idea it will be totally unpopular, but, of course, it tests insanely well.

    With a 2008 copyright, I've got to believe Lehrer saw the Teabagger movement coming and got to them first.

    That is all, except I thought equating an execution with taxing rich people was so crazy, no one could go there. How wrong I was. When do we give up and just admit the inmates and the corporation that runs their privatized state looney bin have really taken over?

  44. fuflans

    this is OT but joe walsh is being a pain in the ass again – this time to republicans. his district got redistricted out and now he's going to challenge the next nearest district held by a fellow conservatard.

    (rubs hands in glee).

  45. mrblifil

    Mark MacPhail has been dead 20 years and his now-grown son attended Davis' execution. Also MacPhail's funeral featured legendary turn out, according to contemporaneous reports. Kind of hard to make the case that the victim got ignored.

    Now about the state of Georgia's record at applying justice fairly for the blax…

  46. prommie

    Its surprising none of them made the obvious connection, that all this anti-death penalty handwringing over the black man is precisely the problem with having a black president. You just know its only a matter of time before he frees all the black criminals and then raises taxes on hard-working whites to give them all welfare cadillacs.

  47. CommieLibunatic

    Try not to take TOO much joy in the execution of another human being, Twittersphere. You might come across as crazy or something.


  48. ttommyunger

    Don't know enough about the facts of the case to determine guilt or innocence regarding the death of that poor officer ( a fellow Army Ranger) ; but I do know Troy Davis was guilty of one thing: being a black man in Chatham County, Georgia. A ton of men have been executed for that offense over the years.

  49. grex1949

    Cold-blooded murder. There is no other way to describe it when a living person is strapped to a table and poison is injected into his blood with intent to end his life. And we call ourselves civilized? This is not a moral act in any sense of the word; it's simply savagery.

  50. CivicHoliday

    An eye for an eye. Anyone's eye, really. Anyone at all. That's 'justice' in these here united states.

  51. sezme

    It is actually the only form of “American exceptionalism” left, since the U.S. is the last first world country to cling to the death penalty.

    I feel the need to point out the fact that the US is joined in this happy club of thugs who should know better by the Japanese, who at least generally reserve this punishment for killers of multiple victims, but still… For a brilliant and harrowing dramatic exploration of this subject, I highly recommend the 2008 film Vacation (Kyuuka).

    1. SorosBot

      Though there is a big difference; according to that article there are currently 95 people facing a death sentence in Japan, which has a population of about 130,000,000, about 40% of the size of the US, where we have over 3000 currently condemned to die.

      1. sezme

        Total agreement on that point, it's just that I'm of the opinion that capital punishment is absolutely a bad idea.

  52. __kth__

    I don't know about y'all, but reading those tweets gave me a moment's peace. Being those people is a crueler fate and a greater revenge than anything I could dream up for them.

  53. NewtsUndies

    I noticed one of the protesters in a shirt which read 'i am Troy Davis'. I guess they DID execute the wrong person.

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