Last night’s redundantly-named Tea Party Republican debate was many creepy things, but high among the list of bizarre and disturbing moments was a question Wolf Blitzer put to Ron Paul asking if a gravely ill man without health insurance should be allowed to die. Because, surely — oh, no, wait, hold on there, the audience has some instantaneous vile reaction to share first. The teabagger death panel sitting in the audience has reached an immediate ruling in favor of executing all of the uninsured, which they will express according to custom, in a chorus of guttural screams. Woah! That’s a lot of hate, even for teabaggers. Is it all for real?
The reaction was probably partially provoked by the insidiously stupid hypothetical that Wolf Ditzer used to ask the question, framing it in the reality-defying terms of a healthy young 30-year-old man with a well-paying job who randomly chooses not to buy health insurance before spontaneously falling ill. Should he die, for being foolish? is a better paraphrase of the actual question. Because all the people Wolf has ever met, they just buy health insurance with their salaries and their jobs. Why doesn’t everybody just do that? [YouTube via ThinkProgress]
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Yes, but what should happen to that healthy man, who chose not to be insured, if he has children and they get a deadly disease? Yeah, fuck 'em they are too young to vote anyway.
Now if his wife had a fetus, that would be a different story.
They loves the unborn. But leave the womb and they're all "go fuck yourself".
This is the same thing with the seat belt laws. Just because your mom is too stupid to know that if you go thru a windshield it will be bad, does that mean you should die? Or is that a natural selection/survival of the fittest thing? And if the teabaggers don't EVEN believe in Darwin? Well, ya know, death panels…and such.
Why didn't Romney speak up and say that this is why Mass. has a health insurance mandate? Because if he did most of the panel would get a boner at the sound of the words man and date?
Only if they're black or Mexican.
I guarantee that is exactly what these guys would say. I like how DOCTOR Ron Paul didn't let that whole hypocratic oath thing he took prevent him from being open to people dying for lack of health coverage.
If only the teabaggers would take the same personal responsibility they demand of others.
keep your socialist gummit hands off my medicare funded rascal!!
Well, you see, their Medicare checks aren't a government handout. Matter of fact, the government best keep away from Medicare all together….
Government aid, to whites, Divine Providence.
Government aid, to non-whites, poverty pimpin'.
This is the Gospel According to J.C. Watts & Clarence Thomas.
oh fuck how I hate both of these Uncle Tom Negros, but it especially grates on my nerves when those 'liberals' over at NPR (Nice Polite Republicans) trot out this asshole Watts every time they want a 'balanced' viewpoint from a conservative 'black man'…just the sound of 'ol Uncle J.C.'s shuckin'/ jivin' voice has be reach for the radio dial in a Pavlovian response!
Upfisted for totally WINNING sentiments. Gawd how I hate 'em both.
No, make that "I totally fucking HATE all these Uncle Toms!!!!"
Sorry. Extra mad today.
How do we even know the J.C. Watts credited as "J.C. Watts" is, in fact, J.C. Watts? Perhaps the former Oklahoma quarterback died in 1987, & Harold Ford, Jr., assumed the name "J.C. Watts" as HFJ's even more Conservative alter-ego. "J.C. Watts" is maybe just Harold's C. Thomas Howell/Soul Brother routine.
joe walsh's kids need to learn personal fiscal responsibility.
They'll get to work on that 'responsibility' thing once they've mastered the finer points of "personal fiscal flexibility", viz.: "You gonna eat that piece of bread?" "No, *sigh* not tonight…" {sound of growling stomach, annnnnnnnnddd END SCENE!}
man-date
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They're creaming themselves from chanting those words.
This is a pretty bizarre reaction, from a crowd that wants the freedumb to remain uninsured.
OK, I know Jesus talks about taking care of the poor, but EXACTLY where did he say anything about their health insurance?
That whole good Samaritan parable just goes whooshing over their heads.
Samaratians were just another gang of mooslim big government socialists!
Health insurance? Don't need it. Just have faith you will be healed and presto.
Bible Libel!!!111!!11
I've read the Constitooshun (Twice!).
Jesus said nothing about health insurance in the Constitooshun.
It's been a long time since I was in CCD, but let me give this a shot:
Matthew 25:34-40
"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
Naw, you're right. He didn't specifically say that governments should require health care. Carry on.
Aw, that's New Testament Librul Jesus. Real* Christians prefer Republican Jesus in the Old Testament, the one who carried the tablets with the Ten Commandments and the Second Amendment down from Mount Sinai Hospital.
*Teatard
Throwing stone tablets at cancer patients. That's the Teatardian way!
That Old Testament "Jesus" also loved his guns.
He was a free-market healer…
I'm pretty sure he healed pre-existing conditions.
How hatriotic! ♫ Let the eeeeeaaaggle sooooaar! ♫
That's American Exceptionalism right there. Yes sirree.
'hatriotic'…I'm so gonna use that- often- during the next 12 months of hateful Teabagger bullshit
yeah…it's going to be difficult once I actually begin paying attention again. These teabaggers want the weak and infirmed deader than a cat in a dryer on high heat* for crying out loud. Haven't you ever gotten the feeling their hatred of unions is two parts authoritarian stupidity and one part pure hatred for anyone who can grind crispy creme to a stop? I know Rush's contempt comes from those two places…and by god don't let him catch the oxycontin factory slaves in China organizin'…that there is death squad time.
*points for homespun syllogism?
Hoorah!! "Merica!!
Give Me Liberty Health Insurance and Give You Death
There's something in this if you're in entertainment development at Fox… I'm thinking – big arena, ring filled with lions – a cebrity host (Victoria Jackson??) – hot dancers – and a few sick or old people without insurance???
The Allstate Hour??
I figured (when I heard about this 'cuz I didn't watch this amazing battle of the wits) we could have raffles and the winner gets to actually beat someone with a club… for TV sake.
for Gods sake…
for Freedom. Don't forget for Freedumb! Also.
How many references to The Lottery (which I never got a chance to read, in middle-school English/Language Arts; my school only had budget enough for The Monkey's Paw as exercise in unintended consequences) can there be in one day?
Or send them to Texas so Perry can execute them. Put a half hour on the clock and see how many uninsured people Perry can kill before the end of the show.
Who gets to choose the killing device? Cuz maybe that's the hook that keeps people tuning in week after week, like Iron Chef.
"And today's weapon is…a full set of Ginzu knives!"
A recent Onion headline had some impoverished state changing its capital punishment to "death by hammering squad."
Read Alan Grayson's statement about how these "people" are like the Romans that would cheer when the Christians were thrown to the lions.
George Carlin's pay-per-view upside-down crucifixion execution idea is finally gaining some traction!
Victoria Jackson? I hope those lions are extra hungry.
Too much fat and cholesterol there for health-conscious lions.
They truly are sociopaths.
Horrifying, isn't it? I realized that many libertarian conservatives are mentally ill a long time ago. Especially Ayn Rand and Rand Paul followers.
Fucking Ayn used her husband's name and collected Medicare. Lil' Rand collects a buttload of it from his "certified" ophthalmologist bidness. They are consistent. Consistent hypocrites.
That psycho bitch had a lifelong crush on a sadistic psychopathic killer. That's about all you need to know about someone like that.
Who would have thought that followers of a debased "philosophy" which claims that selfishness is actually somehow moral would be sick fuckheads?
But if you picked out the first person that yelled, "YEAH!" out of that mob and asked them point blank that same question, they would deny it and blame it on being caught up in the mob mentality.
"Welcome to Dick Cheney's America"
- Principal Skinner
as long as Medicare doesn't reimburse his living will or end of life planning, I don't care if he rots in our pot-hole riddled streets. you know… because don't tread on me or whatever the fuck.
Wait a minute, I thought Obama was supposed to be the one bringing the Death Panels with his takeover of the health care system?
I demand my death panel now!
Teabaggers were FOR them before they were against them.
Well, since you asked so nicely…
**whoosh!**
I'm redoing my dining room in Death Paneling!
Speaking of which, my kitchen could do for a bit of new vinyl death repaneling. Remember, the black ones are hot lava.
The only death these clowns don't like is the Black Death.
Not true! They like the Black Death best of all.
They spent the entire summer of 2009 trying to convince everyone that he was going to kill your grandma. Now they want her to die. I haz a confused.
The teabaggers not only want him to die, they also want to be able to ride their Medicaid scooters over his dead body, repeatedly.
The guy who shouted, "Yeah!" to the let-him-die question thought Wolf was talking about Obstetro-Congressman Paul, not Hypothetical-Man.
At least that's what I'm hoping.
It was actually the Kool Aid Man, making another ill-timed appearance.
Were the Schivao family depending on church donations? No? Florida tax payers? Well, fuck me and poke him with a sick.
Critics point out the GNoP ran Congress for years and never did anything about health care reform.
Well, they passed a bill that Mrs. Schivao was alive.
I still think Bill Frist's nickname should be "The Telestrator".
The rubes' whole idea about the rest of the world is that we need to be sent a message, taught a lesson, get told off, have a comeuppance. That hypothetical sick guy just makes them so mad. Can't he see how mad he makes them? Dying will show him for thinking he's so big.
A Tea Party member is someone who is absolutely certain about things that can't be proven and who absolutely rejects things that have been.
They'd be right at home at the Gathering of the Juggalos, then.
MAGNETISM!
Great to see the debate has moved from "How can we provide the greatest access to medical care" to "How can we murder the uninsured." USA! USA! USA! etc.
oh, for fucks sake. i hope they all get cancer.
Two weeks after losing their employer-provided health insurance.
but Mittens is UNEMPLOYED…how will he ever afford health insurance?
Then they can go to church for their radiation and chemo.
Worked for Jim Henson.
Muppet Libel!
Ummm – what? Are you talking about the Muppeteer, who died suddenly of a streptococcal infection leading to organ failure. Or am I missing something?
He was raised a Christian Scientist, though he renounced the religion years before his death. I assume the comment was made on the assumption that he was still practicing and refused medical care.
Right after they go to the Walmart for their pap smears.
Well, they're already in a coma, fer fucks sake.
They all do have cancer and they spread it with their rhetoric like HPV, giving us all the sexy cervical cancer of the brain.
yeah, anal cancer from pooping out the toxic chemicals in CHEETOS (sorry I just had to take a shot at your nom de plume, first time I see'd it!
cheetojeebus – "get cancer and die from untreated infected bed sores." There. Fixed it.
Devout Christians all, I am sure. And probably more than 50% of those proud, "I got mine, fuck you" individualists is on gubmint medicare.
Of course they're Christians; the highest virtue of Christianity is suffering, and they want to make sure the world suffers for their monstrous bloodthirsty god.
Later, the Tea Party patriots demanded the local governor release Barabas instead of some harmless looking bearded jew.
Thank your for placing them in their proper historical context.
Sure, because the guards had beaten him up, so he must have been guilty.
Welease Woger!
Bwian!
He has a wife, you know…
He was a Sochulizts!!!!!
fucking WIN! (of course I believe that was NOT fair at all!)
This is so full of win it's not even funny.
This makes me imagine two people in full body casts fighting in Thunderdome. Two car crash victims enter. One car crash victim leaves. The other stays for treatment.
In teatards world: Bust a heel, face the wheel.
In tea-bagger world there would be no survivors in car smash up's because seatbelts are socialist un-emerican Keynen Obama Libural ploys to get your kids not to luv Jebus!
DAMNIT! OUR FOUNDING FATHERS DIED TO GIVE ME THE RIGHT TO BE LAUNCHED THROUGH MY WINDSHIELD!
I prefer the Avett Bros' "Die, Die, Die".
If someone is sick they want to just let them suffer and die; and yet if the disease is incurable they won't let the person choose to die in the way they choose, but suffer until the disease kills them, and they want to force the brain-dead to go on "living" as long as machines can create some semblance of life. Basically, making people suffer is somehow seen as a moral good by these Christians.
That was a completely different situation. There wasn't a black man in the white house.
Prolonged suffering is good. Especially if its truly excruciating.
Needz moar flagellation!
This is where you need to get out your Field Guide To Right Wing Nuts and explore the distinctive markings of the various sub-species.
I think you really may be on to something, here. Republicans, conservatives, fundamentalists, etc. There seems to be a pervasive sense of anhedonia with those guys.
You ever heard of Susie Bright? I saw her talk a couple of times back in the 1990s. She postulated that there was a sexual orientation that got off on hypermorality and denial of ones own desires. I can't remember if she came up with a cute name for it, or not, it's been a while. Whatever that orientation is, I bet these guys have it in spades.
Fundamentalism: That mental condition characterized by the sneaking fear that *some*one, *some* where, is having forbidden FUN.
'forbidden FUN'….oh the humanity! (and all the closeted, sexually repressed Repigs say AMEN!)
Hey, there, DJ. Yeah, those teabaggage are totally into the forbidden, aren't they?
What else would you expect from a cult whose mascot is a dying man nailed to a couple boards?
I hate to go all Biblical on they ass, but..ahem..Mark 25. Paraphrased: "That which you do to the lesser of you, you do to me, said Jeebus." So these people wish Jeebus would die, horribly because he gave poor people a fish and bread dinner without charging them ANYTHING. Complete strangers!
WWJPTPO? (Who would Jebus pull the plug on)?
A prophet sans profits! What horror!
The teabuggers want to see him die so they can pry his gun from out of his cold, dead hands.
Surprised they didn't break into a guttural U-S-A! U-S-A! chant.
These are they same type of people who cheered, "Crucify him! Crucify him!"
Considering their reactions to Perry's executions last week, I think they'd love to bring back public crucifictions as punishment for all foreign subjects of the Empire (AKA everyone but white Protestants), and would be right up front gazing at the spectacle.
Pay-per-view.
Pray-per-view.
The shows at the Colosseum really were not that long ago. Feed the oldes to the lions likely could be part of the Perry platform. Perhaps Rickey the Tejas Gov could try it at a Cowboyz or Aggies halftime show?
Nope, that's reserved for Rumsfeld, Bush and Cheney.
I swear I heard a group in the back shouting in Aramaic.
srsly, those folks need to get a life…fuckers caused me a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering, but of course I did it for their own good (at least that's what DAD said, I don't know how I'll ever trust that old bastard again)
They are just chomping at the bit to usher in Kristalnacht. They are a rabid lot of fatty tissue.
Fyi the US spelling is "Krystalnacht."
And then bury the fucker in Potters Field. Oh, wait. A public graveyard? SOCIALISMS!
Did Jeebus have Anthem Blue Cross health insurance? No.
Did Jeebus have any medical care above the witch-doctor level? No.
I rest my case, Counselor. I heard She1ey this morning saying that someone told her about someone who heard about someone whose daughter got innoculated and "became retarded," whatever the fuck that means. This is the level on which they operate. If you don't accept or study or understand science, you don't have any reason to believe that science can do anything for you. So why would you really want "medical care" at all, since Jeebus is going to take care of you according to His plan?
This is MishMash BatShitKrayZMann's theme song. Fer realz.
Never paid much attention to Zappa, (gonna have to change that!) but this youtube video seems even more on point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQcE2dq3YD0&fe...
True. If Jesus were asked, I'm sure he'd point to the pinhead and scream "She's a JERK!"
hah, while doing my usual random/ Pavlovian Wonketting I didn't even see Chets' reply before I posting, great minds and all that ( I even picked the same exact Youtube version!) Fuck how I used to love listening to Zappa in college, my first roommate WAS 'Bobby Brown', and I swear to Gawd as my father he ACTUALLY got a job in RADIO…life IS funnier than fiction! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8y0JLPQl94
I'm so old I actually got to see Frank LIVE, altho I did disagree with him on one thing… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQcE2dq3YD0
One would think that anyone who said this is herself mentally challenged. Anyone who repeats this is more mentally challenged. I guess my daughter and her friends are lucky- they all had the HPV vaccine and are fine(when sober)
OK, you know why this REALLY pisses me off? This is someone who wants to be a LEADER of her people. She is too mentally deficient, or lazy, or dishonest to actually research the facts (they're available, and aplenty, I know because I researched the issue for blogging purposes). Instead, she is either lying, or pulling stuff out of her behind. And the electorate is either equally stupid or deceived, and no one is saying, "Hey, wow, you dumb piece of fluff, NIH has a fucking DATABASE full of information about this shit, and you can actually read the details at any science-based, fact-based media organization or from X, Y, and Z publications online."
This is what is dumbing the country down by the day. It's making me fucking crazy. Squeeze their necks till their eyes pop out like those little Stress-Reliever Martians crazy.
hey now, I actually DID study some science, in Joo skool…and I can tell you with some certainty that mental retardation IS hereditary (see Palins)
All this uproar about a Hypocritical question?
Hippocratical?
A hypocritical question with a hypercritical response from a doctor ignoring his Hippocratic Oath. Republicans are as lovable and cuddly as a rabid porcupine.
Wow, that's pretty fucking uncuddly, James Michael.
A more accurate scenario would be HE HAS major Medical but is denied the adequate treatment because of red tape or the HMO decides that it's just too damn expensive to save this guy's life. Don't believe me? Let's talk about my Sister's (who's a PA) and her battle with M.S…..
FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING FUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(this comment is 100% snark free)
OR..he works at WallyMart. Which would negate the "well paid" part of the story.
And sorry for baconz sister.
THX!
I'm super pissed now. I hope Wolf gets cancer and denied treatment over and over again and again. Or have the energy to navigate all the red tape while going through CHEMO.
Big hug from C'Addle baconz. MS sucks, me mum & cousin had it.
Why did Wolf ask such a stupid question? Was his point to say that the guy should be forced to buy heath insurance?
A stupid question for an increasingly brain-dead candidate speaking to a stupid audience. Makes sense to me.
baconz, first your wife divorces you because you weren't slapping her face with your balls enough and now your sister is getting teabagged by Aetna?? You're getting a testicular double whammy.
Highmark! I got rid of my policy there and switched providers. FUCK THEM!!!! And I have no problem shit mouthing that piss dick cock sucker company of greedy fuck neck cock lump douche faced son's of whores who suck donkey cunt….I could go on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on &…..
(EDIT) and you're right Greg. Aparently it's put a burr under Baconz saddle day on Wonkette. All we need is a post about Rick Santorum for the Tri-Efecta.
OK, this post gets through and all of my dozens of attempts are deleted? Evidently my mistake is in not using more, and more creative profanity. At length.
Trucknutz! Buttsechs!
OR is over the age of 32 OR is a woman of child bearing age OR has a pre-existing condition any one of which can make 'private fucking health insurance' unaffordable for people making less than 100K.
i had carpal tunnel in the mid 90's. it is STILL excluded from every private policy i get. god forbid it had been cancer.
many good wishes for your sister baconz.
(this too is 100% snark free).
I want to know where the freedom-loving 30-year-old could've gotten honest-to-gosh ("decent" ??) health insurance for a mere $200 or $300 a month.
Edit: I see TimWasTim put this out here first. True dat, and no hyperbole.
So sorry about your sister, baconz.
Damn, not only are they poisoning us and kiling us, but they've now figured out how to get our fellow-citizens to ROOT for this.
I truly do feel your pain…I work in health care and these insurance co. assholes are THE biggest problem in this fucking cuntry…they deny our patients needed care on a daily basis and then we have to jump thru their motherfucking hoops to convince the assholes that the treatment is 'medically necessary' WTF?! Both my Dad and baby sister died from cancer (w/in 5 years of each other) and neither could get health insurance cuz they couldn't fucking work, cuz they were too fucking sick, from the CANCER!!! (ask me how I REALLY feel about health insurance corporate scumbags!) snark free indeed…
Isn't it about time that the GOP changed it's official logo from an elephant to a child pulling the wings off of flies?
What do you call a fly with the wings pulled off? A "walk." This is a GOP talkintg point: iff you can't walk the walk, put your angel wings back on and sing to the heavens. Heaven help you, because we sure won't.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wi...
I've heard this is very popular during GOP retreats.
AAAAAH!! OMG! ZOMG! ZOMFG ELEBENTY!!!
Not the little tiny umbrellas PLEEZ!!
I'm investing in a companies that make brown shirts and jackboots – I think they're coming into vogue!
Just good, Christian Patriots there.
Better go buy a copy of 'Escape From New York' and study up on survival techniques.
I am using the Fallout videogame series. Guns and ammo,my brothers and sisters, guns and ammo.
I love a good Christian audience.
Obama's probably kicking himself for getting rid of those death panels he promised us.
If he's watching this, sure. Christ. There is no excuse for these worthless motherfuckers to continue breathing for another day. No excuse at all.
Why wait for a disease- or accident-related coma?
JUST KILL ME NOW!
The amusing thing here is that Blitzer's "hypothetical man" was essentially a libertarian Teabagger; someone who feels that they shouldn't be forced to have health insurance. The audience is basically cheering for their own deaths.
Which, of course, is what all of the Anus Burgers and Raptures are all about anyway.
Maybe they are all just metalheads that like Death.
Maybe they could be Emo
I wish my lawn was Emo so it would cut itself.
Or you could just not have a lawn, didja ever think of that, huh, didja?
Srsly. Lawn = water suck. Try "native plants and wildflowers" instead. Looks great, needs no care, and sucks about a tenth of the water.
Is joke, yes? I live in desert; have rocks for lawn. Occasional cactus to frighten neighbors.Sent from my iPad
As if we needed a reminder of how goddamn stupid and hateful the baggers really are. The only comfort in all of this is that they're going to get it the worst when we crash. Of course, then it will be our Kenyan leader's fault, right?
Kenya's looking better all the time. I hear it's nice this time of year.
I think you're right, plus most of Africa has joblessness, starvation, AIDS and insane warlords. Not much different than this country really – just a matter of scale.
Except for the leaking and exploding gasoline pipelines.
Too bad they don't have a gulf to spill it into.
Are there really people out there getting major medical for only $200-$300 a month? Sign me up!
Save your money. If you get critically ill, you can just hit up your local charity.
Tell me about it. I'd buy health insurance if I could actually afford it and pay my rent, student loans, and eat, but I can't.
How well I remember those miserable, penniless student days! An egg was a luxury. Hell, meals were a fucking luxury. The standing joke among us was you should ALWAYS accept an invitation to any party, since there might be FREE FOOD, and if not, you could take your books, get drunk, and study anyway. What a lot of fucking fun we were.
OTOH, there wasn't an ounce of fat on any of us. You never saw such an attractive lot of starving swotters.
funny, that's kinda how I became a vegetarian in college, cuz I couldn't afford that fancy 'meat' stuff
Same here – my employer doesn't provide it and for a guy like me with pre-existings, I can choose between ruinous insurance premiums or rent. I understand that living outside is bad for your health so this is a non-starter.
I'm so sorry to hear that. What the fuck. FWIW, I don't wish you would die, unlike yon teabaggage. I wish you would get really low-cost medical insurance and treatment, and have as good a quality of life as anyone can buy till you're ready to go.
And another thing. I'll bet every one of these fuckety-fucking-fucks would protest euthanasia. For the record, I support euthanasia 100%. People have the right to determine, at the very least, the manner of their exiting this place they never chose to be in.
I lost my job because of bad knees and surgery that didn't work. I couldn't pay the COBRA. So here I am looking for insurance, lo and behold, I found Humana. They had a plan that would only cost $600 a month, until I told them about the KNEES, wham bam thank you ma'am, it was now $1700. with a $5000 deductible. Oh shit, what a bargain. I just get drunk and read Wonkette now.
Et tu, sunmusing! I'm so sorry. Fuck me, I wish I had the energy to fight harder on this issue. It is not right that so many people should lack something so needful to their continued health and wellbeing.
I don't have a single disease at my advanced age, with the sole exception of the knee replacement which occurred as a result of a bad accident. Most people my age have had at least one run-in with cancer, and either have, or at high risk for developing, any of a number of age-related degenerative diseases. All I have is that one fucking knee, through no fault of my own. Yet, my health insurance premiums, which would otherwise be an affordable $500-$700, based on the excellent health enjoyed by this household, are nearly three times that.
The only thing that makes me happy about the HC fight is that the insurance companies are bitter, bitter, bitter about having to insure me anyway, especially when they have to send me letters saying they can't kick me off their rolls regardless of any pre-existing.
Props. Dang it, I came here for this comment and didn't see it before posting basically the same thing.
A few years ago I couldn't even get a quote on catastrophic medical that was under $200 / month…
Seems like I'm saying this again…..weekly, but: just when I think the Baggers have sunk to an all-time low in ignorance and intolerance; boom! All but the mega-rich are only one illness, accident or insurance termination away from "Hypothetical Man". To wish death on him today without stopping to think it could be a loved one or oneself tomorrow is the height of ignorance and hypocrisy. Like the bully who is a big shot when things are going his way and who cries like a little girl when he gets caught like a chicken in a tractor's nuts. They make me puke.
There's a Republican debate every week for the next month! Yippee! Think of the fun we'll have!
Why is it that only the Unelectables (Paul and Perry) talk about ending the stupid wars?
War IS good for business; I'm just tired of investing my only Son (again in Iraq).
What's his MOS, if that matters anymore.
He was Armor when enlisted (one tour, out as E-5 Sgt., Honor Grad at NCO Acad.) Got degree, then entered KyNatGuard OCS Program. Comm 2nd Lt., then went through Army OCS @ Benning. Infantry up to 0-3 (CPT), EIB, CIB, Bronze Star, Iraq. Now Logistics since making Major. I was infantry, enlisted only, so much of his career is Greek to me. Thanks for asking. (Pix on my fb, ttommyunger)
I hope he'll be back in the loving bosom of his family soon. Are the two girls his?
Nope, he gave me a Grandson. He is at Ariz. State…..Pray for him.
total failure of your pessimistic imagination.
Yes, and I am President of the Pessimist Association.
^^ This.
You should see how riled up they get about the NLRB!
I would like to see how riled they get up under the belaboring of my hiking sticks.
Whap! I'm sorry, what did you say? Whap! I didn't catch that. Whap! Would you like to repeat it? Whap!
Repeat until desired result.
Apparently Doctor Paul practiced before the Hippocratic Oath, too.
He took the Hypocritic Oath, as do too many MDs.
Do no harmDo nothing at all.Fixed.
Yeah, even the TF2 Medic is more ethical. "Do no harm… to the guys wearing exactly the same color as me. You blue bastards are on your own."
That is fucking hilarious! How could I have missed out on it?
What if this hypothetical man had Alzheimer's Disease and was President from 1981 to 1989?
He had good insurance, so no problem there. Right?
Is there any way you can go back in time, get into Wolf Blitzer's brain, and ask that as a follow-up question?
Your analysis is spot-on, KBJ.
OT sort of I am watching some person called Craig Melvin on MSNBC and he is having a discussion from a question he posted on Twitter "Who was the most underwhelming candidate last night" and someone managed to have him read this out on live teevee."Santorum, not frothy enough" was that one of you?
These people ALL have Ron Burgandy syndrome. They will read ANYTHING you put on the teleprompter.
It wasn't me, but apparently dreams do come true.
It was astonishing and one of the panel, that David Goodfriend, sniggered, it was a lovely moment of live television.
Heavy doses of MSNBC can be hazardous to your mental health. But I allow myself a ration of Tweetie every afternoon at 2, in hopes that he'll have one of his out-of-mind experiences on some hapless Republican flack. Plus it keeps me awake at my desk — you can almost see the spittle hit the camera lens.
Ah-HAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh, Lizzie! Thank you so much. Man, is that cruel? It's CRUEL!
"Taught me good, Lord, taught me all I know
Taught me so well, I grabbed that gold
And I left his dead ass there by the side of the road"
Bobby Weir Libel!!11!11!
It must have felt so good to those fucks to shout and scream their hatred on TeeVee.
Too cheap to pay the price of admission to a WWE event, I guess.
Pro wrestling fans are better behaved.
I'd guess these are the same people that call "Contagion" The 'feel good hit of the summer'.
If we adopt their policies, one good plague will wipe out all the uninsured, and we will have a fully insured population. See? Libertardrandianism works!
And think of the other benefits… Virtually no unemployment after the Black Death!
Onward you Christian Soldiers, put the bullet between their eyes.
Teaparty Life bitches: Nasty brutish, and short.
Hobbits to Hobbes
Not short enough.
And if you don't have a fire extinguisher your house should be allowed to burn down if it catches fire.
OK, that guy can die, but don't you dare try to take away my Rascal.
If you die because you didn't buy health insurance you'll know better next time. Talk to the (Invisible) hand.
"Is it all for real?"
No, sweet young Kristin. It's just a nightmare. We'll wake up in the morning and find that our country is really fair, prosperous and caring.
We all got magically teleported to a European socialist country, or possibly New Zealand?
Many times they have jumped the shark, but this time they have JUMPED THE SHARK!!
I've said it before, but it bears repeating. As many times as they keep jumping the shark, the shark is eventually going to get pissed, jump clear out of the water, and snap these motherfuckers clear in two.
Unless the sharks get exterminated first, which humans are really working hard at.
I so like you for thinking up such scenarios.
I've seen it argued on the editorial page of the WSJ (where you'd expect to hear such twaddle) and even the fucken NYT that the wealthy have given us the gift of their companies' products and therefore owe nothing to society/charity/the Poors/Olds.
So with such widespread validation of selfishness, is it surprising that these Tea Party morans have abandoned any idea of the karmic balance of receiving and giving?
Yeah! Let him die and then execute him for not having insurance.
More hate shown at this debate that at a Klan rally.
Probably it's the same people!
As breathtaking and yet as predictable as the audience reaction is, KBJ is right, the question itself is shite, framed for a libertarian nutbar. Here's another: "An older woman, a greeter at Home Depot, staggers off to her second job as a night-shift waitress at Denny's, then sleeps in her car in the Denny's parking lot. The woman has no insurance because she can't afford it on her pay, even though she does more work in one week than any of the assholes behind me in the audience or any of you shitheads on the stage do in a year. Then one day she finds a cancerous lump. Should we let her die over the next few months until she is too weak to stand in order to extract a bit more cheap labour, or should we kill her now while her organs are still healthy and delicious?"
God help the struggling Denny's waittress if, unable to afford child care, she brings her infant to work and lets him sleep in the car during her shift.
Surely, this is a Sophie's Choice.
Who needs medical care when they can more quickly find themselves in the Warm Embrace of Jesus? And then, they can read about the widow's misery, only abetted by her Strong Faith, in their local church publication or Reader's Digest. And the children growing up drug addled but finally finding their Saviour just before dying of meth related causes. What is better than that?
America the Beautiful (Disaster).
I think Wolf's question was fabulous. These assholes should have to say what they would do if someone will die because he opted out of health insurance. They're constantly saying that people should have the freedom to choose to not have health insurance, no mandates! Well, then, let's play that out and see if you really mean it: he's going to die because he has no insurance. Even Paul doesn't have the fucking guts to say "yep, under my batshit philosophy, every man IS an island and we are not a community. So he should just be left to curl up and die. And if he doesn't have burial insurance, let's put him out with the trash." (though trash collection is probably socialism too).
Instead he says some vague "live with the consequences of his decision." Which means the same thing, but he's too squeemish to say it.
Because Paul knows how awful it will sound and how awful is ideology is when played out in real life. It's the same one that would let someone's house burn down because they didn't pay for fire coverage. They should also say what would happen to the 55 year old now who loses all his 401K in the next market crash in 2045 and so can't retire or feed himself anymore because SS was privatized. Because they're all worried about the consequences of these programs "for liberty" and "socialism" but then don't want to talk about the real life implications of their own ideology.
Mine means people don't die for lack of health insurance and old people have shelter and dignity. You want to call that socialism, go 'head.
But yet it will be all the fuckers who cheered and said "let him die!" who will be in church on Sunday praying to someone who said what you don't do for the least among you, you don't do for me either. IOW, when you shit on the poor, you're shitting on Jesus. Which makes Him cry. Stupid heartless motherfuckers.
Outstanding rant! And here's something to add to it: yes a social safety net will have a bureaucracy and overhead and people will figure out how to scam it. We don't close all the banks because some bankers are dishonest. Banks provide a service society needs. So do pensions and health care. They're not perfect, but we can't be the people we want to be without them.
Thanks, I'm having a day.
And yes, we don't shut down all spinach farms because some shows up with salmonella. There's even a legal maxim that we don't use an occasional problem to issue blanket prohibition.
At the end of the day, I'd rather be a sap than an asshole. A wonderful judge I worked for is always helping people–he helps them find jobs, shelter, get into school, whatever they need, to the extent of his ability to help or to connect them with someone who can. Someone told him that one person in particular might be taking advantage of him and he said "So what? I can afford what I'm doing. I would rather be susceptible to being taken advantage of then live my life constantly worried about being taken advantage of."
Maybe that's why their eyes are always beady and dead, (like a dolls eyes, or Joe Scarborough's). Always wondering who's ripping them off, taking advantage of a real 'murikan.
I do think there are some people who have a siege mentality–they drive enormous trucks–like Humvees–as if their at war, keep guns and carry them all the time because someone might be out to get them, and live with a level of distrust of other people that borders on (or crosses into) paranoia. Sad for them really, but not so much when they try to make life miserable for everyone else.
"When you shit on the poor, you're shitting on Jesus. Which makes Him cry." Where do I get the bumper sticker?
cafe press?
(seriously, that would be fucking hysterical. could put it with my "doing my part to piss of the religious right" and "Jesus is my car insurance" stickers).
Eight thumbs up for this motherfucker. I know I don't HAVE eight thumbs, but I know just where to get six more. It's not as if the teagaggers will mind, since they don't use them anyway.
Many thumbs up. You hit the nail on the head, these teabaggers and libertarians are so addicted to their ideology, they've lost the forest for the trees, and can't think straight anymore.
When I was a young Doctor, my Attending told me "Son,
You never withhold treatment, try to save every one."
But I blocked an uninsured man, just to watch him die.
When you hear Ron Paul a-comin', you hang your head and cry!
Yee-hah! Remember when Johnny wouldn't sing "Welfare Cadillac" for Nixon at the White House?
I bet there's rich folk treatin in them fancy hospitals
They're probly gettin nursin, and walkin in them halls.
Life ain't easy for a boy named Rand.
These swine are sick and should be euthanized before they infect the entire farm.
Oh Socialism can be frightful
But teabagging's so delightful
If you find a hypothetical guy
Let him die let him die let him die
It doesn't show signs of stopping,
And besides, we're going shopping.
Just ignore the poor hypothetical guy
Let him die, let him die, let him die.
When he finally says "good-bye"
Don't be sad 'cause you know what's in store.
Just look around and you'll see
That there'll always be lots, lots more.
So it is easy to kill in the abstract
It requires no guts, that's a "true fact".
When Wolf says "A hypothetical guy,"
Scream "Let him die, let him die, let him die."
Too perfect. How about we collaborate on "Teabaggers! The Musical"?
CNN should be ashamed. Or, better should lose $$$ for that disgrace. The $$$ they'd understand.
I only wish that this had been shown on a real network, where people would have seen this episode unfold.
Not enough people truly understand just how evil these Tea Bagging fucks really are.
They're at ~70% disapproval. And they constitute ~30% of the population. So, yeah, pretty much everybody hates their fucking asses except for each other. That's about as good as it gets.
Next on Animal Planet: When Teatards attack!
Yet murdering these ignorant fucks is against the law. Certainly not what the Founding Fathers intended.
Okay, how is this news again?
"Verily I say unto you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a poor man to attain health care without paying a shitload of money to a rich man trying to stuff a God-Damned camel through a teensy needle."
Teatard Testament
All too often, these days, I am reminded:
"Going to the candidates debate,
Laugh about it, shout about it,
When you've got to choose,
Anyway you look at it you loose."
"This is what you shall do; Love the earth and sun and the animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown or to any man or number of men, go freely with powerful uneducated persons and with the young and with the mothers of families, read these leaves in the open air every season of every year of your life, re-examine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency not only in its words but in the silent lines of its lips and face and between the lashes of your eyes and in every motion and joint of your body."
I knew it was Whitman before googling it. So proud to be an English major…there are not many moments when it matters.
my favorite Whitman- or any- quote ever
BTW, are we ANY closer to pitchfork and torch time? I have used Googlemaps to make a map of trees with stout limbs.
My Ace Hardware's pretty urban and probably doesn't have pitchforks, although they might. We also need to know where the roofing contractors' storage yards are, so we can expropriate their tar kettles in the name of The People. Then it's off to Bed, Bath & Beyond for some nice, fluffy goose down pillows.
They make these special roofers hammers that are half axe, half hammer, they are absolutely medeival, perfect for the job.
Last night's council meeting had the Republicans up in their arses because the emergency 'Reverse 911' system did not work very well and the emergency communications did not last very long during Hurricane Irene. The same Republicans who demanded that the cost of cell phones provided to our town's first responders was a cost that had to be eliminated so taxes could be cut. And they did take them all away last February.
Did anyone point this out to them at the time?
What a Golden Age when the Tea Party votes in Rick Perry!. You know he is going to be munching on a cheeseburger and the fat from the cheeseburger will be dripping down his jaunty chin as Michelle and the children walk out the gated entry to the White House for the last time (except for ceremonial re-visits).
is there any talk of a FL secession as well as TX? i think on balance these two have contributed rather more bad than good to our national politics.
Is there a legal way we could vote the Texans and Floridians out?
Have you seen our demographics? If Social Security and Medicare were cut off in succession, the economy would collapse. What are we going to go back to: Homebuilding? 23% of all mortgages in Florida are nonperforming.
How different is let him die from Ron Paul's answer well, this is what freedom is about, you take your own risks?
Same thing -only one of them is a chickenshit version.
Don't get sick. And if you do get sick – die quickly.
Right! They're just being compassionate, see? They say "Let him die" because that is so much better than suffering for a long ass time.
Ergo, they're saints!
Tea Party: the party of me, me, me and mine, mine, mine!
The recipe for "milk of human kindness," according to Teab-Ogres:
1 bladderful of hot piss
Apply ingredient generously to the face of anyone not-you.
For additional spice, apply 1 pair freshly shined jackboots, to taste
Serving size: nearly unbearable
Isn't insurance itself evil and collectivist? Every individual should just save enough for their own medical needs. Why should I see my premiums go to some sick weakling when I am not sick? Every man for himself, thats the motto of the Randian Libertarian Teabaggers.
And if you haven't saved enough, just barter; bring a chicken to the doctor.
So can we cancel the health insurance of the teabaggers infesting congress now?
I am sure they feel the same for the First Responders… nice group of folks them baggers.
Best Idea I've Had All Week: Survivor Island with Ron, Mitt, Shelly ,Perry and whatever other candidates have survived so far in the "where's your healthcare now?" edition….
Do we really want to save this man's life at the expense of personal responsibility?
Well, at least there wasn't any shooting, as I'm sure most of the 'baggers were packin' lead.
In which case, it's a real fucking pity there wasn't any shooting. We could've been shet of a few hundred bouches inutiles, at least.
Although still vomiting from CNN giving a blowjob to the Teabaggers by bestowing respectability on them, I found a second stomach to vomit from when Ron Paul basically said let those without insurance die…and got a positive reaction.
Only in the last debate, there was wild cheering for Rick Perry executing hundreds of people. This shit about them being pro-life is getting complicated.
It's one thing to cheer for the death of someone like bin Laden. At least one is cheering the death of someone who did you great harm, but cheering for the death of a hypothetical young man who did nothing to you?
I think this is the first time I've been ill over something so horrendous.
I was looking for Madame Defarge and her knitting needles….
This is good news for Jello Biafra.
How about this? We'll rent a stadium, and put a gaggle of uninsured people on the field where they get devoured by wild animals and stabbed by gladiators. We could charge the Paultards and their Republican friends fifty bucks apiece to watch the spectacle. We'll GET RICH!
These are vicious evil nasty fuckwads, look at this fucking shit:
Source: The Washington Post
Antiabortion activists who have sought for months to shut down a Germantown clinic picketed its landlord outside a Montgomery County middle school where his daughter is a student, school and police officials said Monday.
A small group of protesters stood outside Robert Frost Middle School in Rockville on Thursday, holding signs and a banner, during back-to-school night, officials said.
The student’s father, who did not want to be named to protect the safety of his daughter, a sixth-grader at the school, said he saw the five protesters when he went to the school event.
Some held a large banner that showed his photo, his full name, his phone number and the words “Please STOP the Child Killing.” Others held posters showing aborted fetuses.
The only thing surprising about this is the fact that they didn't blow up the school to send their message.
I am assuming that this is also a public school?
I hate this idiot Wolf Blitzer. What an ass. he sits on the fence all day long, wishy washy fuck. He could not do journalism even if bites him in the ass.
These assholes are the same people holding "Hands off my Medicare" signs. God, Americans are too fucking stupid to live.
Here's the thing: I'm a dude with a good education, good job, very good job security, health insurance, etc. I live in Massachusetts, the only state in the country with mandatory health coverage (thanks, Mitt!)
A lot of the tea partiers are people with little education, low income, poor job security, no health insurance. Most of them live in the ass-end of America, in places like Oklahoma and Alabama, and other such godforsaken holes.
Essentially, I am pleading for government to raise my taxes, in order to give the money to many of those people who, apparently, don't want it. So how about, fuck them? Can't they all just die of preventable diseases and starvation, already, because that's preferable to gay marriage? I'm getting tired of fighting for the human dignity of these assholes who apparently want to be treated like cattle instead.
I know. Times I sit myself down and say, "Self, WTF are you thinking? They don't WANT education, health care, a living wage, jerbs. Fine, let's keep it for our own selves and tell these morons to jump in that handbasket heading straight for hell. More pie for ME."
But, do I listen? No.
Have they started calling them "Death-Baggers" yet?
My boss goes on and on about "personal responsibility", and I finally had to say "_____, I believe in personal responsibility too. I feel personally responsible to be kind to the less fortunate" I don't think he liked that.
Good on ya for saying it, anyway.
Thx, POD.
CNN has a tradition of asking manipulative, poorly thought out debate questions that make any answer ridiculous and offensive. Bernie Shaw slow-clapped this one, watching from his retirement villa.
Blitzer forgot the likelihood that your insurance company will cheat you while your distracted by dying! It happened to my stepmother.
And, I believe, to Mr. Obama's mother.
After the debate, the crowd practiced chanting "Jump! Jump! Jump!" in unison, just in case they found some poor soul standing on the ledge of a tall building.
Those pro-lifers sure seem gleeful about not doing anything to avoid preventable death.
So if the teabaggers wouldn't help someone dying, why the hell are we all paying for their scooters, most of which they're only using because they're too fat to walk? I suppose they'd want us to pay for their Jenny Craig diet too.
Apologies if this has been said already, and I know the election is 14 months away.
But this needs to be THE signature sound bite of the campaign. If the Democrats have any will to win (I know, I know, but maybe their survival instincts will finally kick in) every commercial break on every widely-watched TV program will feature these hyenas baying away, followed by the question, Do you want these people anywhere NEAR the power to affect your life?
If you're uninsured and sick, just fake a coma and go all Terry Schiavo on their asses. They'll fix you up real quick and say it was a miracle from Jeebus.
See, now, this is why they all took the "WWJD?" bumper stickers off of their cars.
Yeah, I feel like that.
When I hear these heartless bastards applaud, nay, cheer death whether it pertains to capital punishment or not buying health insurance it makes me think of Chapter 9 of Perelandra by C.S. Lewis where the disguised antagonist says to the inoccent/blameless/child-like "Eve" of Venus:
That line gives me chills every time I read it., but it fits the time like a glove. These fuckers won't be frightened until they've met their wildest fantasies, and it scares me near to death because some of us can already see the peril.
Methinks that the bastards forgot the Great Commandment of Jesus, the one-and-only:
Whoopsie!
One thing I could never stand was to see a bunch of filthy, dirty old chai-tards, howling away at their filthy chaipartei platform of their fathers and going blurp blurp in between as it might be a filthy old orchestra in their stinking, rotten guts. I could never stand to see anyone like that, whatever their age might be, but more especially when they was real old like these ones was.
Wow, you must be very proud of him, and worried. The EIB and BSM aren’t given to just anybody.
Big upfist from a former spook who spent too much time with the 11B10s. Yo, grunt!
So you'll know what I'm talking about when I call them "idiot sticks," and that I mean it with the utmost respect.
Yeah, and I'm guessing they didn't even award you a CIB for your effort.
I carried an E2, a v. early M4, kinda, sorta.
Now that I've been informed correctly….I'm going to stand by my snark and still use it in the future.
BACONZGOOD LIBEL!!!!!!!
Wrong or not, the fact that it spawned the phrase “Muppet libel” makes it worth it.
Upfist again and again for you Sue, I don't feel so alone anymore.
It's a kind of solopsism where you want to retreat into your "property," your church, your family, and finally yourself, and apparently need guns'n'ammo to defend this space. "Foreign" ideas are as scary as foreign people. I live in downtown San Diego and see them coming to the ball games (because baseball simulates some long-lost rural idyll of slow-paced games on the village common), horrified at having to pay to park, frightened of the weakest sickest bums, outraged at prices of everything, and anxious to get in the SUV and on the freeway back to Sprawlville as soon as possible.
So, much like with taxes, they complain about having to pay for everything they want. Figures.
I burst with pride at the very thought of him, and have for many years… Thank you.
My friend, although I'm not the praying sort, my thoughts are with every man and woman deployed in these futile, useless wars, and with their loving families. I wish them all good health and safe journey home to their loved ones.
And yet you wish for Emo lawn that cuts itself!
Rocks are best! Rocks do not suck water AT ALL! (Screams, flips out, runs away singing at top of lungs)
unfortunately (for them) the spirit may be willing but the flesh is weak…in their true hearts and minds they KNOW that they want to have FUN, and be compassionate, caring, loving humans, etc. but whatever dogmatic indoctrination they have experienced since childhood (won't SOMEBODY think of the children?) keeps them rooted in the ignorance of their egoic or 'monkey mind and they really have no chance of experiencing the true Self without the proper information or wake-up call…or in other words, they have seriously 'misunderestimated' the real meaning and power of my teachings (have I mentioned yet that I'm actually a Buddhist? don't tell DashboardBuddha or he'll never let me live it down!) I have a license plate frame says 'My Karma Ran Over Your Dogma' and it's a lot of fun to see the faces of folks here in Indiana who take the time to read that and then try to fit it into whatever mental 'framework' they are operating on…I can only hope it causes a few neuro-circuits to blow (oh and I'm drinking wine again, can you tell?
Srsly tho, if it weren't for my yoga practice (oh yeah I'm definitely a hippie) – and the Wonketeers of course- I'd have gone over the edge halfway thru the Bush regime…I even started teaching yoga last year and now have a weekly class of old white people at the local senior center, trying to show them how to 'quiet the chatter of the mind'…sorry for the long-winded reply (did I mention I've been drinking, again? oh yeah I did) thanks for playing…also, too 
You're a hoot, mind if I call you Jesus?
Yeah, the Wonkeratti have saved the lives of many here, it would seem. I used to teach Yoga, but that seems like centuries ago. Which school? I'm assuming you mean hatha yoga, yes? I know you work late, so it's always good to catch up with you here. Also, too, wink, wiggle. Enjoy your wine.
you used to teach yoga? cool..my primary practice is Kundalini yoga, the yoga of 'awareness' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini_yoga
But I teach basic Hatha yoga to beginners mostly…the Kundalini is a bit TOO much for the nice Midwestern folks 'round here, it requires a little more commitment than the gentle stretching and breathing I share with them….but that's how I got started about 10 years ago, as one of my favorite gurus says, "TRUE enlightenment requires nothing more and nothing less than a radical shift in perspective!" now I DO have to get some sleep, I promised a yoga friend I'd attend her 7 AM breakfast fundraiser for the local homeless shelter, takin' care of the least of our brothers/ sisters and all that (since our gummint thinks that's not a worthy 'investment') thanks for sharing…peace, out
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