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Allen West Hopes To Reform Islam With His Constant Insults To Muslims

The military apparently taught Allen West conflict resolution real good, since his latest grasping ploy to end 9/11 amounts to telling Islam (which did 9/11) more loudly that Allen West does not care one bit for 9/11 (which did Islam). Here is Allen West talking at an event he hosted in Florida to promote an anti-ground zero mosque movie 365 news cycles too late: “I think we need to recognize some of the ideological differences that separate us, and if you want to get to a point of having peaceful coexistence, I think it’s where they need to reform some of these things.” Thanks for that, Allen West, “they” will get right on these “things,” whoever “they” are. Is everybody friends yet?

No! Because being friends would require Allen West to stop talking about 9/11, i.e. FORGET, which is a NEVER in the Allen West handbook right up there with hair cuts lacking a flat surface.

More of his drivel from the Miami Herald:

“We must never let events like Pearl Harbor or 9/11 go away,” he said. “We must never forget the things that happened those two days, or the attack upon the United States of America. My fear is that maybe we could end up forgiving what happened on 9/11 because of certain things, this political correctness or this desire to be a multicultural America.”

Oh, go make out with Joe Lieberman already. Just watch out for Lindsey Graham, we hear he’s a jealous type. [Miami Herald]

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222 comments

    1. Gurkman

      yeah, why did they take down the Japanese internment camps after the war? Don't they know America is in peril?

    1. Pristine_ODummy

      Just because he is tossing Herman's salad doesn't mean that he has a prayer. Especially since Uncle Herman would probably prefer a white Veep (assuming he ever needed one).

        1. Pristine_ODummy

          That was mean of me, wasn't it, widestance? But was it mean enough to win a prize?

          I never seem to win any prizes on teh Wonketz, no matter how many times I guess Hitler even.

          1. widestanceshakedown

            While there's no actual prize, you have won the honor of disturbing a generally un-gross-outable fellow. So there's that.

  1. Duly_Noted

    More drivel from the Socrates of Plantation Florida. So is he saying he wants to bitch slap the Japanese every year into eternity?

    1. Texan_Bulldog

      Think this'll be a fine plan until Muslims start making 52" plasma TVs, iPads/Pods and anything else that WalMart wants to sell.

    1. Ruhe

      What percentage of the Chinese population would have to convert to Christianity in order for them to completely outnumber the "Western" Christians. That's something for Allen to fear.

      1. Pristine_ODummy

        *Worldwide* Chinese population? Or only those in China? Nearly every city in the world has a thriving "Chinatown," and many of those early emigres adopted the Christian faith. So it all depends on how much Allen fears the Yellow Peril, methinks.

  2. nounverb911

    “We must never let events like Pearl Harbor or 9/11 go away,”
    Why is West still mad at the Germans?

  3. freakishlywrong

    Fearfearmuslins911ReagantaxcutsfearReaganjobkillingregulations911repeal
    ObamacarefearReaganblahblahblah.

  4. Porter Melmoth

    I'd like to propose that Allen West be nominated as an Honorary Middle Aged White Guy. Why? Because he cares about the same issue: that we middle aged white guys are under a lot of pressure to make God's Will a reality. Our Old Testament-given rights are under siege, so cut him some slack, OK?

    1. Dudleydidwrong

      Right. And when West finishes telling God what his (God's) will is, then he can announce the start of the second phase of this project–making whatever that will is a reality. God? Are you listening? Do you have somebody taking this all down in shorthand?

    1. Dr_Zoidberg

      Or the Alamo! Or Oklahoma City! Or that fantastic sale at Wal-Mart where I picked up 30 American flags for $20!!

      1. V572 T-Blow

        Or the Ludlow Massacre.

        What? Everybody forgot already? When you take Saturday off, or file a claim on your employer-provided health insurance, remember these guys. Junior Hoffa certainly does. I do. E L Doctorow does.

        1. flamingpdog

          Or when a governor like Scott Walker orders the National Guard out to "calm down" a labor situation in his state, remember these guys.

          1. V572 T-Blow

            Funny how the history I grew up learning focused on those relatively few occasions when people of color attacked whites – Pearl Harbor, the Alamo, the Maine, Custer’s “last stand,” etc. We’re always the victims! Why do they hate us so?

  5. SorosBot

    This is like how we could have peaceful coexistence with the teabaggers and Breitards, if we just reform some of that stuff, and look at those events and things that happened, and the different whatsits in the way we do actions and perform our thoughts, because there are some things that could be changes, or not, but something should be done about all those problems, then maybe that would be better.

    1. Pristine_ODummy

      I keep telling them that, but they just refuse to cooperate. All they have to do is BE WHITE! What's so hard about that?

  6. WhatTheHeck

    Yes, well… speechifying is not something he should try on a regular basis.
    Makes him look like an ass. But he knew that of himself already.

  7. EatsBabyDingos

    "We must never forget when Smrkantia smote Dgario in the Archino Wars of 4400 BC, which is when the last dinosaur died."

  8. JustPixelz

    Ya know, 70 years after Pearl Harbor we buy Japanese cars (now with the fresh scent of U-235!), walk past sushi restaurants and celebrate Japanese baseball players. Seventy years from now, we'll be cheering Mohamed Akbar, starting pitcher for the Tallahassee Oompah Loopahs.

    1. mereoblivion

      Well, I won't, 'cause I expect to outgrow baseball before I turn one hundred and thirty, but I like your vision of el futuro.

    2. V572 T-Blow

      And the Vietnamese, whom we punished until they won the war, are here, manicuring our nails and teaching our kids physics. How does that Hate Industry reconcile that?

  9. Barb

    Hey Allen, remember saying this:
    “I had a Top Secret/​Security Compartmented Information classification, that is the highest you can have in the United States Army. You don’t get a security classification like that if you have financial issues like that. I still retain a Secret security clearance. And I tell you, if you look at the application for a security clearance, I have a clearance that even the president of the United States cannot obtain because of my background.”

    So, the Army lets you play Army games even though you aren't in the Army anymore?

    1. donner_froh

      I have a clearance that even the president of the United States cannot obtain because of my background…

      Allen West is a total psycho who thinks he gets briefed on stuff more secret than the commander in chief of the armed forces.

    2. Not_So_Much

      Yes, but his briefings are straight from the Mother Ship via the special helmet he made after watching an episode of McGyver. Allen West knows things…

    3. Pristine_ODummy

      Somebody should ask him how come he spent ALL those years in the army and never even made chicken colonel. He escaped a dishonorable discharge by the skin of those large horsey teeth.

  10. AlterNewt

    My fear is that maybe we could end up forgiving what happened on 9/11 because of certain things, this political correctness or this desire to be a multicultural America.

    Yes. Because forgiveness is so…

  11. V572 T-Blow

    Got to say there're a few good points about Sharia law.

    First: divorce is much easier, but (even better!) with four wives you don't have to unload the first one when your disposable income reaches levels that attract a younger, hotter replacement.

    Second: no interest.

    Well, okay, I can see why Wall Street and the banks fear this.

    1. Pristine_ODummy

      In many Muslim countries, you cannot marry a second wife without the agreement and permission of the first.

  12. Redhead

    "maybe we could end up forgiving what happened on 9/11 because of certain things, this political correctness or this desire to be a multicultural America.”

    Or, you know, we could just hold responsible the people who actually WERE responsible for 9/11, and not this "they," or the rest of the world.

    1. HobbesEvilTwin

      and the USMerka never did anything to any Middle Eastern country that could possibly lead certain people to hate the fucking fuck out of us.

  13. Texan_Bulldog

    OT but we still have Shelly Bachmann to kick around. She is going to give a rebuttal to Barry's jobs speech tonight. I think for fun, they should just have 20 cameras in front of her to see if she can pick the right one to blabber to.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-

    I look forward to hearing about how we should not be trying to create jobs.

    1. V572 T-Blow

      Wasn't it funny last night to hear all those Republicans bragging about the jobs they have or will create, apparently with deficit reduction, regulatory reform, and magical thinking. Because THE STIMULUS DIDN'T WORK. NO MORE BAILOUTS.

    2. freakishlywrong

      Jesus H. What percentage of The American People™ are not fooled by this treasonous obstructionism you think? I say…26%.

    3. Biel_ze_Bubba

      They haven't heard what he's going to say, but they've got a "rebuttal" scheduled already. That pretty much says it all.

  14. Mahousu

    West is right, so far as he goes, but he shouldn't stop at Pearl Harbor. We can't ever forgive the sinking of the Lusitania, either, or the Maine, or the firing on Fort Sumter, or the Alamo, or the Boston Massacre …

    By my reckoning, we should be in perpetual war with pretty much everybody except maybe the French. Oh, no, there was the Dreyfus Affair. Well, maybe New Zealand, then. Unless we're too upset at how the Lord of the Rings movies ended.

    1. Biel_ze_Bubba

      N.Z. is probably up to something … we should do a Cheney on 'em and strike pre-emptively, just in case.

    2. BerkeleyBear

      Judging by the reaction to Perry's execution record last night, we've long forgotten about the unjust imprisonment of anyone, much less some nebbishy Jewish army captain. But we should still hate the French for their involvement in the undeclared wars of Jefferson, the XYZ affair, and being cheese eating surrender monkeys.

      As to the Kiwis, just remember that their lamb is costing ranchers in the US their jerbs!

  15. donner_froh

    West's idea of "peaceful co-existence" with Muslims is that they kill themselves so that Amerikkka doesn't have to spend our dwindling resources on killing them.

  16. DaRooster

    "My fear is that maybe we could end up forgiving what happened on 9/11 because of certain things, this political correctness or this desire to be a multicultural America.”

    We won't forgive it… we do however want to worry about the people that actually did it though… not just all random people that may believe differently than us.

      1. Pristine_ODummy

        I thought you weren't in the WWJD business. Or maybe there's some truth to that old Mormon rumour that you and He were Brothers?

        1. Biel_ze_Bubba

          Those jokester Mormons … always making stuff up. As if they were a real religion or something.

          As for the WWJD biz, I'm not exactly "in" it — but somebody has to short the market.

  17. SayItWithWookies

    “I think we need to recognize some of the ideological differences that separate us, and if you want to get to a point of having peaceful coexistence, I think it’s where they need to reform some of these things.”

    Yeah, we're not going to be judgmental and say which xenophobic autocratic know-nothings need to change. But it's them, not us.

  18. Mumbletypeg

    Creeping Shari'a should be the least of West-bot's worries — it sounds like he's succumbed to "feature creep": trumpeting with zeal every time you develop a new way to be morally repugnant.

  19. ManchuCandidate

    Oh yeah, Mr Army guy. That whole terrorizing Japanese Americans and demonizing them for Pearl Harbor worked out great.

    Of course, it would do wonders if this asshole remembered the sacrifices made by the 442nd Regimental Combat Team aka "Go For Broke" made up of the same demonized Japanese Americans who paid for their citizenship in blood including 21 Medals of Honor.

    1. V572 T-Blow

      West was probably furious about the apologies made to the Japanese-Americans who were moved to concentration camps during the war.

      Interesting sidelight: they wanted to do it in Hawaii (which was under martial law all through WW II) as well as the West Coast. But Japanese Americans ran all the banks, city government, stores, water works, everything, so they couldn't.

      1. BerkeleyBear

        Well, you left out the biggest problem – the Territorial Guard, who'd be tasked with doing the rounding up? Yep, largely Nissei kids, many of whom would enlist in the regular army and form the core of the 442nd once the Army got over its paranoia about yellow agents everywhere (at least as far as letting them serve in Europe).

      2. Pristine_ODummy

        Mention should be made of Republican Governor of CO, Ralph Carr, who welcomed the Japanese-American community to his state and protested their internment as unconstitutional, which, during those fearful times, cost him the Governorship. A politician of principle, Carr insisted that the Japanese-Americans interned in CO be treated fairly. A grateful community honours his memory till today.

    2. BerkeleyBear

      I grew up in Torrance, which along with Gardena was the home to a number of 442 vets (highest rate of Purple Hearts in the ETO, not to mention overall commendations/medals). I met a couple in high school when I gave a woefully naive speech about America that singled out their actions as one of the best examples of true patriotism, and at one point had a copy of the closest thing to an official history of the unit in print, a book called "Japanese Eyes, American Hearts". I was glad they finally upgraded a bunch of them to Medal of Honor status, inlcuding Sen. Dan Inouye, but it took almost 50 years too long.

      Those guys were some severe badasses, and I think even now Sen. Inouye could snap Alan West in half (one armed, no less). West would have shit himself if he ever had to do one tenth what Inouye and his colleagues did, and he should just learn to STFU.

      1. AJWjr.

        I came of age in the Owens Valley, and knew a lot of Manzanar prisoners. Why they didn't go crazy on all of us upon their release is a wonder to me.

  20. SorosBot

    "“We must never let events like Pearl Harbor or 9/11 go away,” he said. “We must never forget the things that happened those two days, or the attack upon the United States of America."

    Because when one nation or ethnic group holds a grudge forever over some atrocity members of another group performed against them, even if it was centuries ago, it always works out very well; just ask the people of the former Yugoslavia, for instance.

  21. widestanceshakedown

    What is this 9/11 thing he speaks of? Did something bad happen that the lamestream, liberal-biased gotcha media made me forget?

    Why does the media hate my memory implants?

    1. Chet Kincaid

      A few years ago, I visited Halifax, Nova Scotia. One of the historical attractions there is a seaside fortress that they built to defend themselves FROM the Americans. That was a trip.

  22. DerrickWildcat

    "My fear is that maybe we could end up forgiving what happened on 9/11 because of certain things, this political correctness or this desire to be a multicultural America.”

    He knows he's African American right?

    1. Pristine_ODummy

      I doubt it. And I'm sure he has no clue that his words are making those pasty-white teabaggers squirm as they desperately try to suppress their rabid fantasies of machete-wielding Mau-Maus who look JUST like dear old Allen whooping and hollering as they rape every single white woman in Amurkkka and behead all the men, in revenge for the unforgiving of slavery and its attendant ills.

      The guy is so self-unaware, he gives me chills.

  23. Come here a minute

    Rep. West would be happy if the Muslins just reform a little, like forgetting about that Mohammed guy (peace be upon him) and accepting Jesus as their personal savior and the son of God.

  24. Terry

    "We must never let events like Pearl Harbor or 9/11 go away"

    So, we should all still be p.o.'ed at the Japanese? Someone should introduce West to that elderly Japanese soldier who lived in a cave on a Pacific island for decades thinking the war was still raging. I think the two of them would get along famously….for enemies.

  25. flamingpdog

    "If 10 years, or nine years after Pearl Harbor, if the country of Japan had come to the United States of America and said ‘we want to erect a memorial to Japanese naval seamanship at Pearl Harbor,’ what would we have said?" West said.

    What if ten years after Pearl Harbor, a group of Japanese-Americans had said we'd like to erect a Shinto temple and community center in Honolulu? An actually reasonable analogy, you racist douchebag! The U.S. Army kicked your sorry ass out for being a sick, sadist fuck, and you can be sure the only "secrets" you're receiving are coming via the tin-foil helmet they gave you on your way out the door.

    1. BerkeleyBear

      I'd swap out Buddhist for Shinto, but otherwise a good parallel. And like the actual community center at issue, the hypothetical one would be going up in an area that already had several such structures without any complaints or issues before and after the event in question.

    1. Pristine_ODummy

      I dunno, but she really needs to do something about those terrible neck tendons. They make her head look like that egg-injecting creature in Alien.

  26. SaintRond

    The Republicans know there's a personality disorder for every occasion. This guy, with a mutant head shape like a bread box, appears to have Intermittent Explosive Disorder. Same with that Christie character and that dried up old fart on the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

    There isn't a mental disorder that Republicans haven't learned to promote, extoll and exploit. On the other hand, it's great for emotionally disturbed people's self esteem to know that their hideous mental problems somehow make them respectable.

    Hey, you wanna see my wiener?

    Peace… God bless…

  27. ingloriousbytch

    “We must never let events like Pearl Harbor or 9/11 go away,”

    The Constitution and the Civil Rights movement, however, we can crap all over.

  28. Pristine_ODummy

    What the fuck is this walking loony bin babbling about now? He's looking like he's coming apart at the seams, and his begathon ads are EVERYfuckingwhere. Sheesh, go make out with Joe Lieberman already, you putrid prick.

  29. Goonemeritus

    Finally someone with the courage to advocate drone strikes against Tokyo as well as someone that will hold the line against creeping Shintoism.

  30. iburl

    Forgetting is OK, man. Especially when 9/11 amounted to a bloody punch in the nose in the grand scheme of things. (<— Heresy)

    It's not like an invading army occupied our country(s) for a decade based on the actions of a few random criminals.

  31. Sue4466

    Someone with no apparent grasp of Islam is the perfect person to "reform" it. Much like someone with no apparent grasp of economics, foreign affairs, energy, or much of anything is the perfect person to be president.

    West/Bachmann 2012!

  32. owhatever

    Mister West went on to advocate changing the wording of the Bible to coincide more closely with the writings in the Koran, thus narrowing "some of the ideological differences that separate us.

    Also, he has forgotten the Maine, which he was told in school to remember.

  33. Chet Kincaid

    Allen is ignoring areas where he and Fundie Islam can find common ground. For example, that disrespectful trollop Debbie Wasserman Schultz would have to avert her doe-eyes in a ladylike fashion, make him sandwiches, and shape up his fade every morning with electric clippers.

    1. AJWjr.

      I think if he'd have gone to prison instead of the Army (thanks a LOT, Judges) he'd have become a Black Muslim instead, and his rantings would be somewhat different in content and tone. (Maybe?)

    2. Pristine_ODummy

      We should waterboard him to find out, just so we can seal it off. In case any more of his eraserhead gumby friends try to squeeze on through.

  34. Guppy06

    "The military apparently taught Allen West conflict resolution real good"

    With a gun.

    Talk is cheap. Defense contracts are expensive. (Apologies to FASA.)

  35. Naked_Bunny

    We must never let events like Pearl Harbor or 9/11 go away

    Indeed. This is why, like all patriots, I get my cartoons with ten-year-old girls getting tentacle-raped off of Bittorrent instead of paying for them. Take that, Japan!

  36. Guppy06

    "I think we need to recognize some of the ideological differences that separate us"

    The Annunciation, the Virgin Birth, the Ascension… there's no way West could agree to any of those ideas!

  37. Steverino247

    Hey what is it about being a Lieutenant Colonel and being named for a compass direction that makes you a right wing asshole?

    LTC West (USA), LtCol North (USMC)…

  38. imissopus

    An iceberg sank the Titanic and did we forgive and forget? HELL NO!! We've spent a hundred years making war on their kind and we won't stop until the last one has melted…er, been banished to hell to cavort with Hitler, Stalin, and Franklin Roosevelt! U-S-A! U-S-A!

  39. glamourdammerung

    Too bad they "forgave" a certain lunatic for firing a weapon at a prisoner's head for no good reason.

  40. ttommyunger

    “I had a Top Secret/​Security Compartmented Information classification, that is the highest you can have in the United States Army…" He did, he really did. Be afraid, be very afraid, we are so fucked.

  41. Pristine_ODummy

    He strikes me as being perilously close to flying off the handle. Far be it from me to kibitz on Ms. Wasserman-Schultz' decisions, but I hope to fuck-all she's carrying, competent, or surrounded by those who are. This guy sounds like he's going to try for her carotid with his teeth in 5 … 4 … 3

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