NOUVEAU FASCISM  5:55 pm August 15, 2011

San Francisco’s BART Blocks Protester Cell Phones For (Totalitarian) Fun

by Kirsten Boyd Johnson

fascist hippies!We would not have picked San Francisco for the first American city where “They” would start using autocratic control tactics on its disgruntled citizens, but here it is: civil liberties advocates are binging on tinfoil hats full of margaritas because the apparently fascist hippies running popular urinal and firing range the Bay Area Rapid Transit District blocked cell phone service at select rail stations where activists were planning a protest, to “safeguard safety with silence” or whatever nonsense alliterative Orwellian word combination sounds creepiest. (The BART actually has cell phone service, unlike the rest of America’s hobo transit, haha.) The protest was organized to call attention to the always-controversial BART transit police’s killing of homeless man Charles Hill, a protest which to transit officials must have sounded like “London riots in ur subway system.” Good thing they have an “off switch” for their customers’ phones! FIRST AMENDMENT SAY WHAT??

Hacker group Anonymous also did not like this, and they broke into BART’s allegedly “world’s easiest to hack website” and posted a bunch of BART usernames online in protest of the measure. BART responded with a butthurt call for Anonymous to quit violating the rights of its customers, which to some rang “a wee hypocritical.”

From the San Francisco Chronicle:

The hack attack sent BART scrambling to protect its websites, and it infuriated some riders whose information was leaked. It came as the hackers also called for a 5 p.m. protest today at BART’s Civic Center Station, where a police officer fatally shot a knife-wielding man on July 3.

BART, which ignited a debate about technology and free expression when it shut down cell phone service last Thursday, has not ruled out blocking it again tonight, agency spokesman Jim Allison said.

“We’re going to take steps to make sure our customers are safe,” Allison said. “The interruption of cell phone service was done Thursday to prevent what could have been a dangerous situation. It’s one of the tactics we have at our disposal. We may use it; we may not. And I’m not sure we would necessarily let anyone know in advance either way.”

Yeah, free speech is overrated. [AP/ SFGate]

 
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nounverb911 August 15, 2011 at 5:57 pm

Welcome to 1984.

ChuckieJesus August 15, 2011 at 7:48 pm

It's the suede/denim secret police
They have come for your uncool niece…

CALIFORNIA! UBER ALLES! Also.

WordSaladNation August 15, 2011 at 9:39 pm

But I thought we'd see why 1984 isn't like 1984! So why the hell did I waste all this money on a MacBook Pro?!

fuflans August 15, 2011 at 11:40 pm

long as we can keep the thompson twins and duran duran i'm all cool with it.

SpurningBeer August 15, 2011 at 6:00 pm

BART TO PUBLIC: EAT MY SHORTS!

Cicada August 15, 2011 at 6:11 pm

BART TO PROTESTERS: DON'T HAVE A COW, MAN!

Crank_Tango August 15, 2011 at 6:14 pm

that one rings, ahem, hollow.

Cicada August 15, 2011 at 6:19 pm

BART TO CRANK TANGO: COWABUNGA, DUDE!

Have pity, I'm running out of Bart Simpson references here.

Crank_Tango August 15, 2011 at 6:21 pm

LOL i was just trying to slip a little SF reference in there.

4TheTurnstiles August 15, 2011 at 6:01 pm

Once on a ride from Fremont to Oakland I watched a man eat his own flesh, in strips, starting with one of his fingers and working his way up one arm. Al Davis is definitely in decline.

ManchuCandidate August 15, 2011 at 6:01 pm

But BART doesn't even make the trains run on time…

nounverb911 August 15, 2011 at 6:02 pm

Needs more Moosalini.

weejee August 15, 2011 at 6:04 pm

She couldn't even get the turkeys plucked on time.

KenLayIsAlive August 15, 2011 at 7:28 pm

In Fascist America, Train Tracks You!

WABishop August 16, 2011 at 7:30 am

BART: 39 years of bringing you conservative consideration and liberal efficiency.

hagajim August 15, 2011 at 6:01 pm

One way to avoid that B.S….don't own a cell phone. Actually I thought Bart was a pretty cool dude, what with his skateboard and all. I guess Montgomery Burns got to him.

HelmutNewton August 15, 2011 at 6:01 pm

What's next? President Bachmann shuts down the entire internet because some blogger criticizes First Lady Marcus' wardrobe?

Fare la Volpe August 15, 2011 at 6:08 pm

Those heels were GUCCI, DAMMIT.

PristinePantalones August 15, 2011 at 8:51 pm

More like "that was a coochie, darn it." An All-A-merkin, too.

ManchuCandidate August 15, 2011 at 6:11 pm

Of course. She'd shut down the intertubes for a bunch of folks making fun of her cray-cray-crazy eyes.

weejee August 15, 2011 at 6:03 pm

Sounds pretty phoney to me.

tcaalaw August 15, 2011 at 6:45 pm

I see what you did there.

MissTaken August 15, 2011 at 6:03 pm

YAY! As if the cell service wasn't craptastic in BART stations enough now Big Brother is just cold killing the phones.

BTW – I'm one who had her info posted by Anonymous this morning. I'm so glad I got punished for BART's bullshit.

finallyhappy August 15, 2011 at 6:09 pm

did I hear you on the radio being interviewed? It's ok- I have no memory but there was a woman who said it was her.

MissTaken August 15, 2011 at 6:14 pm

Nah, not me on the radio. There were about 2,000 of us who got hacked though.

Crank_Tango August 15, 2011 at 6:19 pm

you may be misstaken.

PristinePantalones August 15, 2011 at 8:52 pm

Damn, you're in fine form tonight!

Crank_Tango August 15, 2011 at 6:19 pm

jeeze. I thought they only went after assholes.

MissTaken August 15, 2011 at 6:29 pm

Seriously, I'm cool with what Anonymous does by exposing hypocrisy and the bullshit of corporations and governments. But going after people like me who just ride BART because they are just going to work and don't really have any other option is fucked up.

KenLayIsAlive August 15, 2011 at 7:31 pm

Yeah, they need to hack into and release BART's financial data, not release a bunch of random people's passwords.

Poor showing on this one.

mormos August 15, 2011 at 8:07 pm

you don't know too much about anon do you? They are basically anarchists with exceptional computer skills. They are quick to react to what they perceive as injustice, but they don't always react in meaningful or constructive ways. And since they have no recognized leader, and since they agree on very little, it's hard to channel their conduct towards the common good.

very few people have earned their universal respect. It doesn't help that they seem to have a short memory/attention span.

Hurricane Ali August 15, 2011 at 8:53 pm

This is public education's fault.

MissTaken August 16, 2011 at 1:26 pm

I guess I shouldn't have said I was "cool" with them, instead "I really couldn't give a fuck". Obviously I am a failure and proof why rich people need tax cuts.

PristinePantalones August 15, 2011 at 8:52 pm

Well, you know what they say about assholes. Everybody's got one.

No, I'm not going to try the obvious follow-up.

johnnyzhivago August 15, 2011 at 6:04 pm

As long as they don't block Stupid Zombies.

DashboardBuddha August 15, 2011 at 6:05 pm

"It’s one of the tactics we have at our disposal. We may use it; we may not. And I’m not sure we would necessarily let anyone know in advance either way."

One can only say, "What fucking country did I wake up in" so many times.

finallyhappy August 15, 2011 at 6:06 pm

I have ridden on buses on 16th st. in DC- and my cell phone will lose all bars. Metro probably does it on purpose since the bus ride always costs less than half of my subway ride(we have three different fare levels for the subway depending on the time of day). Also if someone is wielding a knife on my bus, a number of the other passengers can probably shoot him.

Terry August 15, 2011 at 9:18 pm

16th St is hilly and runs along Rock Creek Park in areas. There is crappy coverage for some providers in spots even in a car.

finallyhappy August 16, 2011 at 8:44 am

You are probably right but I prefer to believe Metro is screwing with me because I am saving $2. One lady told me the cell phones are blocked in some places because of the embassies along lower 16th so we all have our theories- yours is probably the fact.

flamingpdog August 16, 2011 at 2:47 am

I love it when people talk dirty about my hometown.

finallyhappy August 16, 2011 at 8:47 am

38 years here and I always have something new to say about it but I will not leave the area-well, unless I play and win the big lottery and then buy a summer island home up north and a winter island home down south. So I guess I am here until they bury me – just 1/2 mile from a MD beltway exit.

flamingpdog August 16, 2011 at 2:21 pm

I left 36 years ago and am in the same boat as you out here in the Wild, Wild West. Won't ever leave, but I still love it back home, except in the summertime. I came back there in the summer of 86 after not being there in the summertime for 11 years. I had forgotten what it was like to have your shirt stick to your body. Out here you still sweat, but it actually evaporates!

Chillwaver August 15, 2011 at 6:07 pm

Never get between a ghey hipster and his/her iPhone.

tcaalaw August 15, 2011 at 6:46 pm

I think that rule applies to hipsters regardless of their sexual orientation.

donner_froh August 15, 2011 at 6:09 pm

BART should combine its core competencies, driving trains and shooting passengers. If someone is using a cell phone in a forbidden area or manner just shoot the fucker.

PristinePantalones August 15, 2011 at 8:54 pm

I love that term "core competencies." It always makes me want to poke my eyeballs out with one of those cool freebie rollerball(murder) pens you get working in the SillyValley.

donner_froh August 16, 2011 at 12:46 am

Best practices, as well.

caitifty August 16, 2011 at 12:56 am

Also, synergistic. And isn't it great that autocorrect actually has that word in its dictionary now?

PristinePantalones August 16, 2011 at 1:07 am

"Incentivize" is one of my pet hates.

PristinePantalones August 16, 2011 at 1:06 am

Did you guys play "buzzword bingo" too? It really used to piss management off something terrible when someone would call out "bingo!" in the middle of a meeting. Well, not the original management from when we were a startup, but certainly after the serial sales began.

flamingpdog August 16, 2011 at 2:52 am

Oh, PP, thanks for the new game – I will definitely have to introduce it to staff meetings. Fortunately, I can retire at any time now, as well as being indispensible (LOL), so management can't fire me.

WhatTheHolyHeck August 15, 2011 at 6:10 pm

Lesson learned: don't be an innocent bystander, or Anonymous will fuck your shit up.

Terry August 15, 2011 at 9:19 pm

…while claiming to have "taken down BART"

randcoolcatdaddy August 15, 2011 at 6:10 pm

If they'd block only Angry Birds, I'd be all for it.

MissTaken August 15, 2011 at 6:12 pm

True story!

I met a BART cop at a bar soon after the Oscar Grant shooting back in 09. When he told me he was a BART cop I said "Please don't shoot me in the back". He didn't find that very funny.

Fukui_sanYesOta August 15, 2011 at 6:17 pm

Probably similar to all the people who yell "don't try to tase me bro" at BART cops at Fruitvale as the doors are closing. They get a touch tetchy.

PristinePantalones August 15, 2011 at 8:57 pm

Ya know, some people just got no sensayuma. I told a Muslim friend of mine that every time I hear "Allahu Akbar," my shoulder blades twitch (she's a very good friend, and understands my weird sensayuma mostly), and she did not find that funny at all. (Her husband, who is also Muslim but eats ham like a mothafucka, laughed his ass off.)

LionHeartSoyDog August 15, 2011 at 9:51 pm

"Please don't shoot me in the back while I'm lying handcuffed on the ground," also.

SayItWithWookies August 15, 2011 at 6:15 pm

This is why I always carry an old rotary phone around, just in case.

nounverb911 August 15, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Geminisunmars August 15, 2011 at 6:46 pm

Would this be BART's SMART phone, or SMART's BART phone?

gurukalehuru August 16, 2011 at 1:51 am

Thank you, smartybartfast.

BarryOPotter August 16, 2011 at 8:37 am

DON'T PANIC…

Negropolis August 16, 2011 at 12:29 am

They make awesome projectiles, that's for damned sure.

flamingpdog August 16, 2011 at 2:55 am

Mebbe because it's almost 1 in the morning – I'm not drunk, for sure – but that struck me as one of the funniest comments I've seen on Wonkette in a loooong time.

AJWjr. August 15, 2011 at 6:15 pm

When I moved away from the City in 1967, BART hadn't been built yet, and many of us never thought it would. When I came back in 1979, it had been built, and to no one's surprise, was on strike. I got a job driving a bus, one of hundreds chartered by BART to fill in when the trains weren't running. Looking back, I now see myself as a scab and should probably kill myself, being the staunch trade unionist that I am today, even though I've been out of work since 2007…

donner_froh August 15, 2011 at 6:16 pm

This is some weird shit from BART:

“The fact that people want to focus on the cellphone service, I think it’s an interesting argument, but people are forgetting the other constitutional right that allows government agencies to put people’s right to safety ahead of their right of expression,” he said. “We are allowed to designate the time, place and manner of free speech.”

NYT

PristinePantalones August 15, 2011 at 8:59 pm

WTF??? I don't think "safety of our passengers" is one of the criteria, buddy. More like "safety of the nation." Dayum, these mothafuckas are seriously jonesing for that one-legged asskicking I do so well.

rahelio August 15, 2011 at 9:15 pm

But "safety of others" is one of the criteria that is used to justify some limits on free speech. What about yelling "fire" in a crowded room? It's a curb on our freedom of speech because people could get seriously injured if a panic breaks out.

BART claiming that is the case is ridiculous since this was, at first, a planned, peaceful protest. And the way they phrased it, " We are allowed to designate the time, place and manner" sounds really police-state-y.

PristinePantalones August 16, 2011 at 1:34 am

If they're actually claiming a prior right to restrain free speech, they're going to have to come up with something a lot more convincing. The protest in question was a *planned, peaceful* protest, not a spontaneous riot, nor was anyone's life or wellbeing endangered. The thing about free speech is that courts tend to accord it the broadest interpretation. As they should. It is specifically called out in the Constitution as a right deserving of protection. And yes, this business of "we have the right to determine your freedom of speech" is absolutely unacceptable. Had they said, "we provide this service to you as a courtesy, and in our opinion, are justified in not providing it if we will endange our customers thereby," that would be a whole different kettle of fish. This appalling ignorance and misinterpretation of the Constitution must stop.

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2011 at 5:59 am

If they'd tried to ban the protest itself, that would be restraining speech, and you might have a shot at this argument.

HistoriCat August 15, 2011 at 9:29 pm

Free speech zones – not just for the Federal government any more!

Beowoof August 15, 2011 at 10:10 pm

Fuck you BART, the time place and manner requirements don't apply here; well maybe with the current supreme court they do. Gotta love the freedumb.

snarkycomments August 15, 2011 at 10:31 pm

I wonder if there was a point in that quote where his brain was desperately trying to strangle his mouth?

PristinePantalones August 16, 2011 at 1:36 am

It probably left home a long time ago.

Negropolis August 16, 2011 at 12:31 am

That is absolutely insane. Are we sure this isn't San Diego or Dallas or some shit? I know not all SF institutions instantly went liberal during the liberalization of the city, but that is some scary, Orwellian shit you wouldn't expect out of even BART.

PristinePantalones August 16, 2011 at 1:36 am

Then you don't know BART.

Negropolis August 16, 2011 at 3:14 am

I guess I don't. Hell, I can't even think of the last time in Detroit when someone was killed by the transit police on the bus or at a bus stop, and god knows there are times when it would have been justified.

LettucePrey August 15, 2011 at 6:16 pm

Warning: BART-riding San Franciscan here.

Although BART pulled a dick move, it had nothing to do with free speech. You don't have a right to talk over a cellphone network, it's a privilege, hence the bill you get every month asking for dollars from your pockets.

Whether it was right or wrong, free speech or not, the issue is simple: cell service does not work underground. It's only there because of repeaters installed in the stations. BART owns the repeaters, not the cell companies; it's their infrastructure to unplug them, just like they can turn off their escalators.

(And for what it's worth, cell service is pretty shitty in the tunnels anyway, so most customers didn't actually notice any difference. And if you have an awesome cell phone, or a big ass antenna, you could have still made a call.)

Crank_Tango August 15, 2011 at 6:29 pm

Well if BART wanted to prevent a protest in order to protect its image, then it, uh, worked?

LettucePrey August 15, 2011 at 6:32 pm

Remember: working stiffs in the Financial District don't give two shits about that some wobbly drunk who assaulted the police and got shot. They only care about having to explain to their clients why they're late to a conference call or a FedEx shipment didn't make it out.

Negropolis August 16, 2011 at 12:34 am

Remember: I don't give two flying fucks about some amoral working stiff in the Financial District who'd throw their mother off a BART platform into an oncoming train if they thought it'd make them more money.

Think about that when you talk about "wobbly drunks", Marie Antoinette. God forbid that you have to get poor or hippie on your new shoes.

LettucePrey August 16, 2011 at 12:07 pm

I wasn't speaking for myself when I wrote that, troll. I was echoing the sentiments I hear around me. If you came up for air through all that righteous indignation and ad-hominem attacks, you might have guessed that.

But whatever gets your panties in a bunch, I suppose.

Also your analogy (in a thread below) comparing BART to a Woolworth's counter? Epic race-baiting fail.

KenLayIsAlive August 15, 2011 at 7:35 pm

Yeah, but where does that end? I guess that if there is a protest and the government wants to cut off water, electricity, and internet to a neighborhood, that's cool too?

Slippery Slope!

mormos August 15, 2011 at 8:13 pm

"Slippery Slope! "

…is a logical fallacy.

KenLayIsAlive August 15, 2011 at 8:24 pm

Oh shit! A fallacy. That part was sort of a joke. Though that doesn't take away from the important question of who gets to control what happens in a society's common areas.

Cicada August 15, 2011 at 8:26 pm

I think under the law a BART platform doesn't count as a common area. You have to pay to get in, for one thing. Not sure about that, though.

PristinePantalones August 15, 2011 at 9:01 pm

That's not the issue (at least not for me). The issue is that their spokesidiot is defending the dick move on completely wrong grounds. You're right to say free speech doesn't enter into it, and spokesidiot would have been better served to remember that too.

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2011 at 3:38 am

How is free speech the "wrong grounds", if free speech is precisesly the grounds of the criticizm you're trying to address?

In any event, "free speech" is infringed only when the gov't restricts WHAT you can say. If BART says you get to yak on your phone outside the stations, but not inside, that's their prerogative, just as they can make rules against handing out pamphlets, hanging posters, and standing on a soapbox with a bullhorn to harangue everyone about Jeebus' imminent arrival.

I wonder if these idiots would whine about their "rights" if a theater blocked their cell phones during stage performances. (You also have to wonder how bright they are, if they can't figure out how to organize themselves while standing outdoors.)

PristinePantalones August 16, 2011 at 12:19 pm

It could be argued that BART, as a quasi-governmental body, is an agent thereof. But, as I said, it was never a free-speech issue. BART provides the cellphone service as a courtesy to its riders, and shutting down ALL cellphone service does not constitute an attempt to infringe upon the free speech rights of a select subgroup of riders. So I think that is not the issue, although you're the lawyer, and if you say that *is* the issue, no doubt you will now demonstrate exactly how and why that is (unless you're busy actually lawyering, i.e., working, which I guess we have to do from time to time).

Furthermore, as I pointed out, BART is not actually preventing cellphone users from using their phones *except within the confines of the stations.* That does not rise to the level of an infringement, IIRC. They're still free to exercise their political speech, merely restricted as to location — which, since the SC winked at the "free speech zones" of the Bush regime, I would imagine the lower courts would certainly uphold as being within BART's rights and not constituting an infringement.

Also, yes, protesting BART's cut to service is downright irritatingly picayune, when there's so much else going on.

Beowoof August 15, 2011 at 10:12 pm

You know if that drunk had been able to exercise his second amendment rights, this discussion would be moot.

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2011 at 6:04 am

He did exercise his right to bear arms — he just made a poor choice in armaments.

Crank_Tango August 15, 2011 at 6:16 pm

I wonder what else we can get the phone carriers to do by calling up and saying we are BART.

Hey AT&T, this is BART, I am looking for every cellphone pic ever sent, specifically boobs.

HistoriCat August 15, 2011 at 9:31 pm

"Why can't you guys get them from the NSA? We send all the new ones over there once a month."

Warpde August 15, 2011 at 6:17 pm

Holy fuck Wonkette.
Don't scare me like that.
Here I thought, by the header, I missed the last episode of the Simpson's.
Thank God it's just about the loss of rights and freedoms.
Now those are two things I have gotten used to missing.

Smitros August 15, 2011 at 6:20 pm

At this rate BART is going to ban circumcisions on the system any time now.

Fukui_sanYesOta August 15, 2011 at 6:20 pm

One interesting thing from the list of user data is that it seems most people have got the hang of not using "password" or their first names as passwords.

I'm with LettucePrey – this isn't a free speech issue at all. Who the fuck has a right to yap on a cell phone underground? It's provided as a service, by BART.

KenLayIsAlive August 15, 2011 at 7:38 pm

Nah, I don't agree. Where does that logic end? What "right" do we have to anything in a society? You get what you fight for, this is a good thing for the protestors to fight about. especially after what happened in the Middle East and all the crowing we did about rights to access of information.

BeWoot August 15, 2011 at 8:58 pm

I'm with KenLayIsAlive. This is BART suspending a service because of (anticipated) speech CONTENT. That exceed the "reasonable time and place" exception.

On the other hand, thanks for the tip on passwords. I just went and changed mine from my first name.

snarkycomments August 15, 2011 at 10:37 pm

I haven't looked at the data, but are you telling me BART stores passwords in plaintext and not in cryptologically secure one-way hashes? That's the real crime.

berkeleyfarm August 16, 2011 at 1:04 am

MyBart is a third-party service. But, yeah.

Fukui_sanYesOta August 16, 2011 at 3:21 am

Yep, myBART did. No salted hashes, not even MD5. Shocking.

The dev team admin password was "admin123"

There are a lot of clueless cowboys out there.

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2011 at 6:07 am

If the contract requires "reasonable efforts" (or somesuch phrase) to provide a secure sytem, these third party bozos are about to get fired.

Fukui_sanYesOta August 16, 2011 at 6:10 am

Benefits of the lowest bidder system. Yay.

caitifty August 16, 2011 at 1:05 am

I would have said that its provided by AT&T and other corporate sponsors. For a fee. I still remember them boasting about how much money AT&T was paying them for exclusive access before the inevitable court cases started from AT&T's competitors. Anyway, I guess the question is, fuck Anonymous – how do AT&T feel about their 3rd rate coverage in the tunnels being switched off for a couple of hours?

Rotundo_ August 15, 2011 at 6:20 pm

Hey, who wants to bet that this little trick starts to catch on all over the place whenever there is something going on. I wonder if they'll electrify the seats so they can taser you from the observation rooms as well. Maybe they could have teargas release on command too! Look for the next big industry in the USofA to be in-place riot and crowd suppresion technology. Imagine blinding "billboards", Pepper gas spewing "fire hydrants" Crossing lights that have loads of marbles in them (hat tip to Animal House for that one), land mines that are remotely armed under the sidewalks and streets. What could possibly go wrong with those sorts of "Crowd Control" measures in case there's "Trouble". Look for Xe or a clone to be deploying them in larger cities (read Detroit as a trial test first) and then fanning out. RoboCop with landmines and Dubya selling SuX 6000 coupes (5 mpg, highway, up armor version) coming soon to a metropolis near you!

Radiotherapy® August 15, 2011 at 6:20 pm

I DEMAND that my Jitterbug works underground, in tunnels and even at 40,000 ft. What's next, rotary pay phones? That don't take credit cards? And I have to remember numbers?

snarkycomments August 15, 2011 at 10:41 pm

Exactly! How are the hell am I supposed to check in in Foursquare? I wanted to be mayor of the Powell Street Station.

SudsMcKenzie August 15, 2011 at 6:22 pm

just dont carry on a Happy Meal.

MissTaken August 15, 2011 at 6:23 pm

"Johnson said riders "don't have the right to free speech inside the fare gates.""

I'm glad to know that I pay for the privilege of giving up my rights as an American citizen.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/

Warpde August 15, 2011 at 6:32 pm

Come to Canada eh!
If you and I are lucky we may have a good 10 years before it catches up.
20 if Harper isn't re-elected.

starfanglednut August 15, 2011 at 9:13 pm

Man, I'd love to take you up on that, but I don't think Canada admits useless American slobs like me.

PristinePantalones August 15, 2011 at 9:07 pm

Now that is absolute BULLSHIT. I'm'a have a talk with this Johnson.

rahelio August 15, 2011 at 9:20 pm

Freedom costs a buck o' five, Totalitarianism is a steal at whatever the hell it costs to ride the BART train.

DerrickWildcat August 15, 2011 at 6:26 pm

Bart is a good Christian name. There was a guy in the Bible named Bart. You can look it up!

nounverb911 August 15, 2011 at 6:30 pm

Bart Starr?

natoslug August 15, 2011 at 6:35 pm

Black Bart?

flamingpdog August 16, 2011 at 3:06 am

Breit Bart?

Doktor Zoom August 16, 2011 at 3:10 am

St. Barthes?

tcaalaw August 16, 2011 at 9:30 am

Our Father, who's Bart, in Heaven?

mavenmaven August 15, 2011 at 6:29 pm

Freedomz are only for boomer protesters on hoverounds.

Tundra Grifter August 15, 2011 at 6:29 pm

Please don't blame San Francisco for BART.

It's the BAY AREA Rapid Transit – and that includes Daly City, South SF, Oakland, Berkeley, Pittsburgh, Fremont, Hayward, Concord, and stops in between and among them all.

It's sloppy reporting to call it San Francisco.

Just like that famous Peace Agreement was signed in Fairborn – NOT Dayton.

Can't people get ANYTHING write?

Now – get off my lawn!

NOW!

Tundra Grifter August 15, 2011 at 6:55 pm

Never explain a joke.—

BaldarTFlagass August 15, 2011 at 7:04 pm

"Just like that famous Peace Agreement was signed in Fairborn – NOT Dayton."

At the Hope Hotel. Should be called "Abandon All Hope Hotel." Home of 19" CRT TVs, peeling paint, and clunky old "old-school" room keys. They did upgrade the rooms, with them fancy curved shower curtain rods. One stay there was all it took, now it's the Hampton in Huber Heights.

JoshuaNorton August 15, 2011 at 8:52 pm

Daym. Ya beat me to it. BART is not the SF subway system.

Plus BART's fucked up enough without people intentionally shutting it down. And since they share stations with SF Muni downtown, you just know both services would have been messed up. It takes me long enough to get home as it is.

I'm sure people would be all 'oh isn't that nice' if a bunch of protesters suddenly decided to shut down, say, the Times Square subway station in the middle of rush hour.

/no snark

PristinePantalones August 15, 2011 at 9:10 pm

I was all, like, totally supporting you and everything until I got to this sentence:

"Can't people get ANYTHING write?"

And now I'm caught in an infinite loop of metacrazy.

Tundra Grifter August 15, 2011 at 10:16 pm

PP: Then my work here has been asuccess. Rest assured, it was not an error.—

PristinePantalones August 16, 2011 at 1:42 am

You're beginning to terrify me, TG. In that creepy Republican "I'm not about to grab your dick and insist on sex" kinda way.

LettucePrey August 15, 2011 at 6:34 pm

There's something about San Franciscans constantly fucking with people's commutes in order to make their political points. (See, e.g., Jesse Jackson blocking the GG Bridge to protest Prop 209 in 1997; Woody Harrelson doing the same thing to protest the war in 2002.)

Will these hippies never learn – I don't care what your cause is – IF YOU MESS WITH PEOPLE'S COMMUTE HOME, NO ONE WILL SUPPORT YOU.

BeWoot August 15, 2011 at 9:01 pm

True dat.

berkeleyfarm August 16, 2011 at 12:19 am

So true. Hacking the MyBart (innocent commuters, not the BART po-po) was a totally dick move.

Negropolis August 16, 2011 at 12:42 am

Those fucking Civil Right protestors were so damned annoying. All I wanted was to get a lunch at Woolworth's and go home on the bus without having to have it pulled over for them damned niggras not moving to the back. I mean, all that trouble for what? They could have went an ate at some other establishment that would have them, and no one was keeping them off the bus. And, them bra-burning women blocking the streets? Fuck 'em, the whole lot 'o 'em.

A real protest is one that causes discomfort and inconvience. A real protest is one that has consequences. How dare they prevent you from getting home on your usual mode of transit.

Honestly, you said some stuff quite a few times up above that was begging for this kind of response.

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2011 at 3:50 am

BZZZZT!
Analogy fail.

Negropolis August 16, 2011 at 4:42 am

Admittedly not the closet analogy that could be drawn in terms of the substance of the protests (though, there are definitely arguments that can and have been made that police brutality is a violation of a person's civil rights just the same, but that's another argument for another time), but I was more arguing the spirit, the whole bullshit "I'm pissed because protests are inconveniencing ME" argument.

I see you'r making the same bullshit argument looking through some of your recent posts on this. Another poseur liberal, I guess. You know, one that only pays lip service to liberal ideas, and has the gall and nerve to criticize those folks in the trenches exercizing their rights because your fucking train might be late or down for a few days because of it. lol Protests shouldn't ever effect your personal life or anyone elses in any real way, of course. That's just rude and uncouth, surely. Hippies are so gross and inconvenient.

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2011 at 6:14 am

You're confusing the issues. Protests that shut down mass transit are, in fact, illegal — it's called "civil disobedience" for a reason. You do your sit-in, you fuck up everybody's day, you get arrested, and maybe figure you've made your point … but you don't go and whine about your "right" to do what you did. MLK understood this perfectly.

BTW, I've eaten my share of tear gas, so spare me the "poseur" shit.

LettucePrey August 16, 2011 at 12:54 pm

Honestly, you said some stuff quite a few times up above that was begging for this kind of response.

Ooh, my very first butthurt stalker on Wonkette! *sniffle* What do I win?

Negropolis August 16, 2011 at 9:03 pm

I'm not following you. Quite frankly, I hadn't even seen you outside of this post.

If anyone is wondering where this ire is coming from, it's because in the past few weeks I've seen people making disingenuous "jokes" and tryinng to pass them off as humor when they were barely couched in humor. In this thread alone, a handful of folks have done everything short of using the conservative term "dirty fucking hippies" for these protestors. The thinly veiled contempt for the folks we should be thanking is really kind of disgusting. In a thread about the real and unabashed villains in this story (BART), someone seem curiously comfortable with making the protestors the issue. At the very worst their tactics are annoying, but pales in comparison to the tactics of BART. If I wanted to see folks make a villain of the protestors, hell, I'd go to RedState.

The kind of blase, dismissive contempt for liberal protestors fucking up somebodies ride home on a liberal blog, no less, is kind of worrisome to me to say the very least. It honestly wasn't just you, Lettuce, or even mostly you. I'm talking about someone else that used half-a-dozen posts to try and change the direction of the discussion to making this a critique on the protestors. Sure, criticisms of the protestors can be found, but others can make those arguments. There is absolutely nothing BART did right or effectively in this entire thing. There is no moral or even tactical equivalency, here.

caitifty August 16, 2011 at 1:08 am

I'm sorry, when did you begin to believe anyone gives a shit what bridge & tunnel yuppies think?

ProudLibunatic August 16, 2011 at 1:03 pm

Can't we all just get along?

BaldarTFlagass August 15, 2011 at 6:38 pm

Well, it's pretty bush league of BART, but there were protests before there were cell phones, internets, fax machines, 8 track players, victrolas, etc. Whenever one of my new fangled gadgets goes haywire, I just pretend it's 20 years ago or whatever.

LettucePrey August 15, 2011 at 6:40 pm

I know! How DID we survive without all this convenience back in the day? I guess people who rode BART in the 80s were outright daredevils!

SilverTsunami August 15, 2011 at 6:55 pm

BART serves Berkeley. Do they really think they will escape protest-free?

PristinePantalones August 15, 2011 at 9:14 pm

It's escalating haha. They've started closing stations, not letting riders on, shutting down service. All in the name of "protecting the passengers." Given that BART is pretty much the only way to get between the Bay Area cities these days (bus service is a joke and the train is an even more cruel joke), that's interference with free speech. Which shutting down cellphone service definitely was not, since nothing was stopping people from using their cellphones before embarking or after disembarking.

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2011 at 3:53 am

Shutting down service to prevent the protesters from shutting down service… I wonder if it will work?

OneYieldRegular August 15, 2011 at 6:41 pm

Could they manage to turn off that wretchedly monotonous BART announcer voice, too? The stations are soul-draining enough without having to listen to "…FremonttraininnineminutesRichmondtraininsixteenminutesPittsburgtrainintwentyoneminutes…" spoken like a suicidally depressive automaton with compulsive speech disorder.

Fukui_sanYesOta August 15, 2011 at 6:51 pm

Why do you hate people with impaired vision?

I just imagine it's Marvin the Paranoid Android from hitchhikers – "brain the size of a planet and all I do is read these stupid train announcements" </nerd>

PristinePantalones August 15, 2011 at 9:15 pm

Somehow, you've managed to capture perfectly the very essence of the BARTron.

emmelemm August 15, 2011 at 6:49 pm

OK, maybe I'm dense, but I don't get how not having cell phone service in the tunnels prevents a protest from happening? Just send out an email saying "So and so station, 3:00 Tuesday". Done and done.

It just seems like a stupid move that is not only bone-headed and criticism-worthy, it doesn't accomplish the goal.

Geminisunmars August 15, 2011 at 6:53 pm

Email?! Did you say email??? How antediluvian of you.

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2011 at 6:19 am

Yeah, they're pretty bush-league protesters if they can't work their way around such a simple tactic.

"OMG! No Twitter from underground! What do we do noooow????"

Abbie Hoffman spins in his grave.

Negropolis August 16, 2011 at 8:04 am

That's entirely not the point, and I think you know better than that. Of course they know other options to organize. It's the principle that counts. It always the principle; that's why they are protesting in the first place. People with principle don't just do things when they are easy, or stick up for victims with shining reputations and backgrounds. If that was the case, they wouldn't be protesting this particular death.

BARTS is bush-league, here, effing advertising that they are going to shut down phone service giving the protestors yet another half-way legitimate reason to be protesting their stupid, incompentent asses. They even admitted as such.

Schmannnity August 15, 2011 at 6:49 pm

Wait until Sarah Connor hears that BART is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Skynet.

DahBoner August 15, 2011 at 6:54 pm

I must warn you, fellow Citizens, after Gov'nor Dumbass is elected, not to appear to be an Oldthinker.

Turn off the Prolefeed and don't Doublethink and Crimestop, before you commit a Facecrime, lest you be sent off to a Joycamp.

Doubleplus good!

See y'all around for Hateweek…

fuflans August 15, 2011 at 11:47 pm

please stop saying this everyone. this is playing into my worst fears and i can't afford to move to canada.

Callyson August 15, 2011 at 6:55 pm

Note to BART: you might want to spend less time worrying about your passengers' use of cell phones and more time improving your service: http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/mechanical-proble

OneYieldRegular August 15, 2011 at 6:59 pm

As a San Franciscan, may I also add that this is an excellent example of the indignation we San Franciscans express as a point of civic duty and as a means, just as whales must surface for air, for us to come up momentarily from our blissed-out torpor to breathe in the air of righteous rebellion? With acquiescent docility, we endure nearly non-existent cell phone reception on BART for years, but when BART suddenly announces that they're temporarily taking away our ability to get our non-existent cell service, then dammit, we're the first to the barricades.

fuflans August 15, 2011 at 11:49 pm

with – one hopes – a boutique lager or something yummy from napa.

Negropolis August 16, 2011 at 12:48 am

And, FSM bless you all for it. Sometimes, the rest of us need a little reminder of how to find our innately American emotion of righteous indignation.

BaldarTFlagass August 15, 2011 at 7:06 pm

They wouldn't have gotten away with shutting down cell service back in the 60s or 70s.

Fare la Volpe August 15, 2011 at 9:12 pm

We Shall Overcome….Shitty Reception

glamourdammerung August 15, 2011 at 7:12 pm

What a bunch of posers.

Let me know when they are riding camels while beating the protesting peasants.

arihaya August 15, 2011 at 7:12 pm

this is somehow Obama's fault, also

PristinePantalones August 15, 2011 at 9:24 pm

Isn't everything?

not that Dewey August 15, 2011 at 10:29 pm

Because he's morally weak.

Wonderthing August 15, 2011 at 7:25 pm

Freedom's just another word for…er…I don't fucking know, I always liked the word it was.

CapnFatback August 15, 2011 at 8:02 pm

You and Bobby McGee.

bagofmice August 16, 2011 at 9:01 am

Has been?

ProudLibunatic August 15, 2011 at 7:28 pm

OT emergency!!!
Conan is doing a show featuring Truck Nutz!!
WTF?!

Guppy06 August 15, 2011 at 7:33 pm

Quick, someone light up the Paultard Signal!

CapnFatback August 15, 2011 at 7:38 pm
Fukui_sanYesOta August 15, 2011 at 8:02 pm

TO THE DIRIGIBLE, RANDBOI!!

Radiotherapy® August 15, 2011 at 7:40 pm

When Commie Flash Mobs and panhandlers can't use their cell phones in a public place, you know we are ready for another christofacist gubner of Texas to be POTUS.

SarahsBush August 15, 2011 at 7:47 pm

I'm not gonna lie. Not having to listen to someone's loud, one-sided, boring-ass conversation while I'm busy trying to pretend that I'm not the one who farted in this cattle car actually sounds pretty nice.

smokefilleddoommate August 15, 2011 at 7:57 pm

…when BART becomes FART.

PristinePantalones August 15, 2011 at 9:26 pm

Isn't there actually a FART in SF/Bay Area? I forget what it stands for, but it's some kind of transit thingy.

smokefilleddoommate August 15, 2011 at 10:10 pm

God, I hope not.. That's an awkward PR campaign.

PristinePantalones August 15, 2011 at 10:49 pm

Fairfield Area Rapit Transit. I can't wait to see their PR campaign.

Terry August 15, 2011 at 9:25 pm

I hope the next thing banned is singing out loud and off key to whatever craptastic music is playing on the person's iPod.

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2011 at 4:04 am

But, but … he has a Constitutional right to make everyone else miserable. (Next thing you know, they'll use remote-controlled tazers on anyone they see singing…)

Oh, BTW, the First Amendment doesn't mean you get to blast your boombox on the trains either … if you're unhip and old-fashoned enough to still use one.

MLHencken August 15, 2011 at 7:48 pm

My right to jabber loudly and pointlessly into my wireless blower in a crowded train car is protected by the first amendment?

Who knew?

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2011 at 4:07 am

Maybe it's only the right to jabber quietly and pointedly, in an effort to screw up the system, that's protected. The protesters aren't entirely clear on that — but I'm sure they'll explain it eventually.

huracan August 16, 2011 at 2:23 pm

There may be a First Amendment issue here, but then again there might not. Generally speaking: The Constitution prohibits the government from restricting speech based on the idea being expressed. However, reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions on speech that are content neutral are usually ok. (Thus, the answer to your question is, "Loudly, no. Pointlessly, yes.")

Here, the government is not restricting the content of any messages: protesters can assemble and chant "Cops are murderers!" as much as they want. They just can't use a cell phone to do it.

But, is shutting down an entire commonly-used means of communication on which so many people depend, in order to make it harder to send certain messages, tantamount to an overbroad and unreasonable restriction? Hmmm.

bikerlaureate August 15, 2011 at 7:58 pm

Thrill to the myriad possibilities of quasi-governmental authorities taking action " to prevent what could have been a dangerous situation.:"

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2011 at 6:45 am

Endless opportunities for douchebaggery, no question about it — but after every fatal foul-up, they get raked over the coals for failing to prevent that dangerous situation.

Flash mob on a BART platform, people get pushed off onto the tracks (that could get VERY messy) … and it's going to be all about how BART knew in advance where and when this would happen, and it was forseeable that the crowd would be too large for the space, and they did nothing to prevent it, and of course they're going to be sued for millions, and maybe some adminstrative schmuck will be charged with negligent manslaughter so as to keep the pitchfork-wavers appeased. Plausible scenario, right? So…. what would you do if you're the administratve schmuck in question?

I seem to recall a train operator in CA exercising his cellphone free speech rights a while back, and that didn't turn out well. That's why nobody objects to restricting the train operators' rights. But what about the guys in the control room? The transit cops on patrol? Fare collectors? Passengers? Passengers when you know some of them are planning to screw up the system? You draw the lines where you think you need to draw them, and you hope for the best.

Limeylizzie August 15, 2011 at 8:07 pm

OT But a true Texan hero , Jim Hightower, is on Chris Hayes talking shit about Rick Perry.

BarackMyWorld August 15, 2011 at 8:48 pm

Hightower could've stopped Perry back in 1990 the same way…

Never mind. Godwin block.

Hurricane Ali August 15, 2011 at 8:56 pm

How do I get Chris Hayes' new weekend show without having cable?

Limeylizzie August 15, 2011 at 8:59 pm

Hmm, not sure, probably MSNBC website would have it or portions thereof, I would imagine.

Come here a minute August 15, 2011 at 8:08 pm

D'oh! Why you little….

Pop_Socket August 15, 2011 at 8:15 pm

Cory Doctorow predicted all this in Little Brother. San Francisco is where fascism comes to America.

Cicada August 15, 2011 at 8:37 pm

I predict that Cory Doctorow also likes to huff his own farts and stick his finger up his dog's asshole. It's just as valid, really.

OneYieldRegular August 15, 2011 at 9:59 pm

Cory Doctorow is about 30 years too late and probably too serious for his own good. It's been at least that long since the wonderful Vito Russo amusingly described the Bay Area as exhibiting "a sort of benevolent fascism."

mumbly_joe August 15, 2011 at 8:43 pm

Okay, having given this a fair bit of thought, and considering the competing interests of the rights of free speech and to peaceably assemble and that of safety and not having another London break out in San Francisco:

Tools like shutting down cell service are kinda badly flawed. By the time they're at all useful, things have already spun out of control, period. The best way to prevent a riot is going to be early intervention before things reach a tipping point where the participants can overwhelm police presence. And this means having an adequate police presence that police aren't overwhelmed to the point that they're led to the sorts of responses that inflame things further (and BART cops have a bit of a reputation for doing). Technological responses are often seen as a substitute for feet on the ground, and they're not. We had plenty of riots before the 90's, after all. In particular, cell service isn't an effective preventative measure, and it also leaves a lot of bystanders trapped if a riot does break out. Bad, and bad.

Of course, that's all assuming the best scenario, in which BART police aren't especially prone to panicking or overreacting in response to disorder. Anyone want to take bets on that, in light of the evidence in record?

PristinePantalones August 15, 2011 at 9:37 pm

You make the ha-ha, fellow. The bets, they do not come for such evidences as yours.

HistoriCat August 15, 2011 at 10:41 pm

That may be the most cogent argument I've read on the subject. Bravo!

sati_demise August 15, 2011 at 11:17 pm

wait until just one person has a medical emergency and no one can call for help and then BART gets sued for a BILLION dollars. That will be the end of that, my friend.

berkeleyfarm August 16, 2011 at 12:28 am

Yep. We gotta lot of lawyers here. A lot of them ride BART to their fancy offices downtown.

emmelemm August 16, 2011 at 2:59 am

Good point, sir (or madam). Good point.

Biel_ze_Bubba August 17, 2011 at 8:31 am

or until someone is injured in a disturbance, and BART knew it was being organized via cellphones but failed to prevent it. and gets sued for a BILLION dollars.

berkeleyfarm August 16, 2011 at 12:31 am

*BRAVO* *BRAVO* WELL SAID!

As I joke with my boss, "Tech fixes aren't usually appropriate for personnel issues."

Although my Magic 8-Ball says "BART will fuck this one up deeper".

Doktor Zoom August 16, 2011 at 3:17 am

"The police are not here to cause disorder. They are here to preserve disorder."

mumbly_joe August 15, 2011 at 8:45 pm

BART cops wouldn't need to worry nearly as much about negative public reactions to their shutting down cell service to quash protesters, if they didn't shoot passengers quite so often.

PristinePantalones August 15, 2011 at 9:38 pm

Or fail to show up where and when they're needed while harassing completely peaceful innocents in the fucking parking lots fer chrisake.

AJWjr. August 15, 2011 at 8:46 pm

If the protestors had any balls, they'd quit BART en masse and switch to Bay Link.

Hurricane Ali August 15, 2011 at 8:55 pm

Okay, haz a confuze – this is BART blocking cell phone access, access that people have through their provider? Isn't that illegal?

Fukui_sanYesOta August 15, 2011 at 9:10 pm

BART set up repeaters, which they own.

How about this as a scenario? I set up a bar. I hate fuckballs who talk/text when they're supposed to be socializing. Is it illegal to set my bar up inside a Faraday cage so that cell signals cannot get through?

AJWjr. August 15, 2011 at 9:18 pm

It would be in Nevada!

Hurricane Ali August 15, 2011 at 9:25 pm

No, I just didn't know if they were blocking signals, rather than just allowing people to get bars where they wouldn't normally get bars.

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2011 at 6:52 am

No bars in this bar? Now I'm confuzd.

owhatever August 15, 2011 at 9:12 pm

Methinks I'll file this one under "Who the Fuck Cares?"

Jukesgrrl August 15, 2011 at 9:24 pm

Considering the punishment BART metes out to riders of color it doesn't like, this seems like a measured response.

PristinePantalones August 15, 2011 at 9:40 pm

Well, see, now, with them colored, you gotta shoot, that's the only thing they unnerstand. With the white folks, you cut off their cell service, see? Same thing. Exactly the same.

I have actually been told that to my rather brown face by people I know. It always amazes me how they have the gall or the mindset, but they do.

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2011 at 6:54 am

They must be the same, since they're generating about the same level of angst.

PristinePantalones August 16, 2011 at 12:26 pm

It's certainly generating just as much angst on the part of the not-yet-shot cellphone-deficient.

x111e7thst August 15, 2011 at 9:25 pm

Don't the damn protesters understand that the social media exists for the sole purpose of allowing people to post pictures of their risible private parts for the edification of all and sundry. This is what Al Gore had in mind when he created the internet (well dwarf porn too but that's a separate issue). Lets stick to our roots folks, and the Bart Schutzstaffel will not take away our toys.

NadePaulKuciGravMcKi August 15, 2011 at 9:38 pm

Homeland Police State
just runnin' a little drill

SudsMcKenzie August 16, 2011 at 3:42 am

Its rough out there for a "no downfister"".

ttommyunger August 15, 2011 at 10:32 pm

One of the little-known benefits of going to the Atlanta VA Hospital is the fact that they jam cellphone signals within the vast complex's waiting areas. A real delight. I love turning that little tyrant off and whiling away the time with my Kindle. I am also blissfully free from having to overhear the inane banter of others. An island of tranquility in a sea of banality. Lighten up, BART-Tards; smell the roses.

ProudLibunatic August 16, 2011 at 12:08 am

I wish cellphones were jammed when my daughter was in the Ambulatory Surgery Center at Stanford Hosp. We were in the waiting room for hours, and had to endure others' loooong phone calls. And these were no ordinary phone calls. Graphic medical details were discussed in one way conversations by emotional and frazzled people.
Good times.

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2011 at 6:55 am

Yeah, they need to move that whole scene back where it belongs, over by the pay telephones.

ttommyunger August 16, 2011 at 10:29 am

You are assured entry through the Pearly Gates, you have already served your time in Hell.

Biel_ze_Bubba August 17, 2011 at 8:36 am

That's Purgatory you're thinkin' of, Tommy. "Time already served" doesn't apply in Hell.

ttommyunger August 17, 2011 at 11:51 am

Considering your moniker, I defer to the expert.

not that Dewey August 15, 2011 at 10:42 pm

Sheer Insannity was beside himself with Schadenfreude, nay — Schadenglee — about this turn of events. He was all I THOUGHT YOU LIBERALS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE BLAH BLAH NANCY PELOSI BLAH INTOLERANCE and his token fake-plant "liberal" caller from SF was derided as elitist for the next hour by every nutjob bagger with nothing better to do than plead for Sean's approval all day while whining about LIBERALS JUST DON'T GET IT WARREN BUFFET IS SUCH A HYPOCRITE WHY DOESN'T HE PAY MORE TAXES INSTEAD OF GIVING HIS MONEY TO CHARITY WE DON'T NEED GOVERNMENT WE JUST NEED TO GIVE MORE MONEY TO CHARITY WHY IS NOBAMA BLAMING THE ECONOMY ON THE JAPANESE TSUNAMI HE COULD HAVE LOWERED THE SEA LEVEL AND THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ANY TSUNAMI and on and on in that vein for fucking hours and I never even got to hear the exclusive interview with Xtine OD

Sorry. I just listened to 7 hours of hate-radio alone in the car and I haven't had any human contact yet.

sati_demise August 15, 2011 at 11:21 pm

next time, just douse yourself with pesticides instead.

not that Dewey August 15, 2011 at 11:45 pm

Agreed.

fuflans August 15, 2011 at 11:53 pm

my radio has this fabulous on/off switch.

not that Dewey August 16, 2011 at 12:03 am

Yeah, but it helps to pass the time.

And besides, without the internets for a whole day I can't rely on Kirsten or Blair or Jr. or Riley (Dog rest his soul) to wade through the morass of rw jabberwocky so I have to do it myself.

fuflans August 16, 2011 at 12:57 am

i know but i would kill myself if i had to listen to that. and for seven bloody hours!

when i was traveling for my last private sector hell job i would get in the rental car in PA or OR or GA and turn every available station to npr or – if i was lucky enough to have sirius – french news programming.

out of rage.

and i did this BEFORE it was an ira glass npr fundraising spot.

not that Dewey August 16, 2011 at 1:16 am

Plus, I like the irony of driving a GSA fleet car with "US GOV'T" plates while listening to Insannity, driving through farm country, and laughing, laughing, laughing. Knowing that all those idiot callers are paying for my per diem while I'm sneering at them is the elitist gravy. SUCK ON THAT, STINKY2B!

My personal car has the Sirius, and I could listen to the Stephanie Miller and Thom Hartmann all day, but that's boring. And the taxpayers actually pay less if I use the government car.

PristinePantalones August 16, 2011 at 1:24 am

You poor man! I take back anything even remotely snarky that I might ever have directed your way. Puppies, kittens, unicorns, and rainbow poptarts to you!

not that Dewey August 16, 2011 at 1:49 am

All that trouble, just to get to Colorado Springs, home of Focus on the Family, the Evangelical Air Force Academy, and sundry other wingnut causes that I can't be bothered to google right now.

On the other hand, I get to visit a way-cool semiconductor fabricator tomorrow, so it's almost all worthwhile. And the mountain views and perpetual rainbows (and rainbow poptarts) are awesome.

PristinePantalones August 16, 2011 at 2:10 am

Awesome!Personally, I think I'd be eating lead if I had to go anywhere near that nest of wingnuts. More rainbow poptart nyancats to ya!

flamingpdog August 16, 2011 at 3:28 am

760 AM. progressive talk radio from Denver/Boulder. You can get it in the Springs. David Sirota, 7-10, Ed Schultz, 10-1, Thom Hartman, 1-4, Mario Solis-Marich, 4-7, Randi Rhodes, 7-10.

not that Dewey August 16, 2011 at 8:55 am

Thanks! I'll get those on the way home. That will get me at least to the NM border.

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2011 at 7:01 am

I prefer not to induce rage while I'm driving — ten minutes of that shit, and I'm likely to conclude that the cretin who just cut me off by 2 feet at 75 mph is a teabagging asshole, and run him off the road just in case he is. You've got two NPR channels on SiriusXM … use 'em!

not that Dewey August 16, 2011 at 9:00 am

I can't do it very often. I won't do it in the normal course of daily activities. But on the open road, once or twice a year, there is a certain tranquility that comes from the feeling of smug self-superiority that these shows inspire.

No sirius in the government car. Ipod or AM only. And I listen to ipod during the commercials.

LePiston August 15, 2011 at 10:52 pm

If you need more info on delays, go to 511.org, or call 511. (Unless you are at BART)

sati_demise August 15, 2011 at 11:15 pm

I dont know about you, but sometimes my cell phone is necessary for my safety, BART. I do not think you have thought this through.

Negropolis August 15, 2011 at 11:32 pm

Crazy proposal, I know, but maybe rent-a-cop transit cops shouldn't be carrying lethal weapons. You shoot indiscriminate citizens again and again on BART, you better sure as hell expect at least a protest. You best be happy they didn't go London-town-is-burning-down on your asses, BART. Doh!

I'm tired of this motherfucking shootings, on this motherfucking subway! All your infos are belong to us.

Biel_ze_Bubba August 16, 2011 at 7:05 am

Bingo – THAT is the real problem. Big city police do some serious psych profiling on their recruits, and it seems as if the rejects go straight to the transit authorities.

fuflans August 15, 2011 at 11:53 pm

this is all just to distract us from the fact that dr paul was robbed.

gurukalehuru August 16, 2011 at 2:02 am

He was! He was! see http://www.gurukalehuru.com (I'm not a Paultard. just a blogwhore)

Fukui_sanYesOta August 16, 2011 at 3:37 am

You might want to stop that blogwhoring. It's a touch frowned upon.

Negropolis August 16, 2011 at 12:19 am

It’s one of the tactics we have at our disposal. We may use it; we may not.

You know, you could always expend the tactic BART does best; you know, just shooting rowdy folks on the platform. That always solves the problem.

berkeleyfarm August 16, 2011 at 12:27 am

Whoo-hoo! Bay Area, represent!

I have to say the pix of the Tac Squad (as published in the online Comical) did make me wince. It'll get worse before it gets better.

SudsMcKenzie August 16, 2011 at 1:48 am

Yahweh, Berkley, as a Madisonian we are , …. its your turn,/ Can you handle the Parry?

gurukalehuru August 16, 2011 at 2:03 am

Who is anonymous?

BZ1 August 16, 2011 at 8:39 am

BART says, “We’re going to take steps to make sure our customers are safe,” seriously? seriously???

DaRooster August 16, 2011 at 10:33 am

This things time is a comin'
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=6007823

(I have posted this before… but it is a comin')

DaRooster August 16, 2011 at 10:57 am

I love the pic… why don't ladies wear skirts like that anymore?

GeorgiaBurning August 16, 2011 at 1:51 pm

Technology just messes everything up. BART used to rely on having the biggest, meanest looking cops around; if you ever saw some of them next to Oakland or SFPD officers you'd know what I mean. Intimidation made for good crowd control up through the 1990's, but it's kind of hard for a 6-6 man swinging a club to hide from a cell phone camera. Unless…

polar951 August 23, 2011 at 5:44 pm

Bart is starting to look very phoney with the services they "provide". Pun intended hahah

Cicada August 15, 2011 at 6:25 pm

Nice!

Crank_Tango August 15, 2011 at 6:33 pm

It was not my Mission to offend. Would Haight for you to think that : )

Cicada August 15, 2011 at 6:37 pm

I would never Castro aspersions, that would make me a real Nob Hill.

Er…something something Fisherman's Warf.

Crank_Tango August 15, 2011 at 6:41 pm

yeah I was trying to figure out how to massage Chinatown in there somewhere, but alas there are no happy endings.

Cicada August 15, 2011 at 6:45 pm

Happy ending, eh? Well just be careful you don't end up with a Tenderloin.

Fukui_sanYesOta August 15, 2011 at 6:50 pm

Nothing worse than making your nob 'ill.

Crank_Tango August 15, 2011 at 6:54 pm

LOL I got nothin. where's extemporanus when ya need him?

KenLayIsAlive August 15, 2011 at 8:37 pm

Well, if you go by "the law" then all sorts of things can happen.

It's sort of like the "free speech zones" making protests completely ineffective. That's where "the law" is leading us.

I guess I meant common area as more of like, what we hold in common. This isn't even really a private property issue.

Anyway, I can't argue this. I don't really have strong feelings about this particular incident, though I do have strong feelings about the continued pressure to somehow not count technological means of communication as free speech, even though we are coming to rely on it the same as we do running water or electricity.

PristinePantalones August 16, 2011 at 1:38 am

I'm not sure either, having long left behind such information and considerations, but I believe an argument could be made that it is public space based on the fact that it was created and financed by taxpayer dollars.

Cicada August 15, 2011 at 8:40 pm

I hear you, and I honestly have no clue what this means with regards to legal precedent or free speech limitations.

imissopus August 15, 2011 at 10:18 pm

Probably stuck on a BART platform somewhere.

Crank_Tango August 15, 2011 at 10:27 pm

…wondering why his wonket app won't refresh…

mayor_quimby August 15, 2011 at 10:52 pm

The popo have gotten the meaning of Taylor's Automatic all wrong. Hollow points are sooooo not refreshing.

fuflans August 15, 2011 at 11:42 pm

which is why we need a voucher system.

Negropolis August 16, 2011 at 12:23 am

To Market to Market to buy a blind pig…

Negropolis August 16, 2011 at 12:26 am

And tax cuts for the wealthy, 'cause Jesus. Or, was it 'cause freedom? I always forget this senseless conservative memes.

predilectrix August 16, 2011 at 1:00 am

Seattle has its South Lake Union Trolley. Cheap and easy!

smokefilleddoommate August 16, 2011 at 3:59 am

I found some funny info on 'FART'.

"The gas shortages of the 1970s were referenced in the destination sign: “Gas Pains? FART to San Francisco.”

PristinePantalones August 16, 2011 at 3:09 am

You're welcome! We used to hand out prizes to the winners. Useful stuff, like that Martian alien thing that you can squeeze till its eyes pop out. Very useful little stress reliever.

Negropolis August 16, 2011 at 8:06 am

Who in the world said I was against them going to jail? You pay the cost to be the boss. That goes for both sides. I have no idea how you even read that into what I typed.

And, still, I've got you pegged correctly, because you've been basically bitching about some petty, personal inconvenience to your life because some folks have the gall to exercize a civil right, and one for a legitimate cause in this case. When the rubber hits the road, you've sided with the wrong side, here. Obviously, you didn't swallow enough tear gas, or you've lost yourself. It's one thing to criticize the type of protest as a liberal, its entirely another thing to essentially project that you don't support what they are protesting, or make the focus the inconvenience of the protests.

There is something very off with your focus, here. BART botched this entire response to the planned protests. They either should have left them the fuck along, or they should have turned off cell service without telling the public, and no one would have been any the wiser. At the end of the day, there was going to be a protest, regardless. Now, there are going to be bigger protests and even more distrust between the people and BART. Why you're willing, hellbent, and determined to continue to try and turn this entire issue into some referendum on the protesters is completely beyond me.

You keep reading this…

I don't care what your cause is – IF YOU MESS WITH PEOPLE'S COMMUTE HOME, NO ONE WILL SUPPORT YOU.

…and tell me that that isn't fucking petty and small-minded.

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